Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Attorneys Call Her A Suspect
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In court papers filed Wednesday, Bunch went further, noting that Terri Horman is a “de facto suspect” in the second-grader’s disappearance…”
Portland, OR- In a voluntary appearance in court yesterday for matters relating to the pending divorce motion by estranged husband Kaine; Terri Horman showed her face for the first time since the week after her stepson, Kyron, vanished from Skyline School.
Although Kaine Horman opted to be represented by his counsel Laura Rackner and not appear personally to protect himself emotionally, according to Rackner, Terri Horman braved the fray.
Arriving with attorneys Peter Bunch and Stephen Houze, the trio was immediately met and escorted by MCSO deputies in “the box” formation to the 5th floor courtroom where local media scurried in from behind. Within 45 minutes, Judge Meisenheimer ruled in Kaine Horman’s favor and granted his request that the issues of the mortgage-sized retainer, allegedly furnished by Terri to Houze and other distribution and custody issues will be heard in a hearing on October 7, denying her request to have the issues bifurcated.
During the proceeding, Bunch argued that his Client cannot properly litigate the divorce and custody actions currently because she is.”..unable to proceed in the ordinary course to protect her rights as to discovery, property division, support and, particularly, custody and parenting time issues.”
In fact, for the first time publicly, we learn a very important detail about the criminal investigation into Kyron Horman’s disappearance.
According to her counsel, who would certainly be “in the know”, Terri Horman has NOT been named a suspect by MCSO in Kyron’s case, but she is painfully aware she is one.
Loosely translated, a defacto suspect is an unofficially declared suspect, but for all intents and purposes is definitely the target of the investigative crosshairs.
The Microsaccade Moment
Microsaccades are tiny involuntary movements of the eye generally caused by visual fixation. The result on visual perception can cause the beholder to question if they are “really seeing what they are seeing.”
I had a few of those yesterday while analyzing footage of the day’s events in conjunction with known facts of this case.
They Are:
The MCSO guard detail dispatched at the courthouse assigned to Terri and counsel et al for a family court appearance. I have spoken with a few local family lawyers who do not wish to be identified, with a combined 26 years of practice. None have ever seen this practice in a similar matter in Multnomah County. Specifically, the deputies went inside the actual hearing and waited to escort the trio out the back.
During the hearing, there was not a syllable mentioned about the driving force behind the request for expedition of the case in the first place. The very substantive weight that was used to secure an emergency custody and restraining order, which remains uncontested to date: The Alleged Murder for Hire Plot. Why wouldn’t a family lawyer looking to abate the divorce case strike at the very merits on which the plaintiff’s arguments are based? The plaintiff in this case uses an almost one year old mfh plot allegation, which was not carried out, and no person has been declared a suspect or arrested, to control every filing to date and counsel does not refute the claims therein? What possible reason could that be?
A recent interview with Terri Horman’s son James, in which he states that his Mother cannot have a computer, cell phone, or leave her parents home in Roseburg.
Blink Analysis Editorial: Sealed Criminal Indictment OR Civil Commitment?
A Civil commitment, which would have had to been voluntary, such as a concern for Ms. Horman injuring herself, or some sort of dependency is a possibility, but a highly unlikely one considering she appeared in court yesterday.
Strictly my opinion of course, but based on my microsaccades, I think it is entirely possible that Terri Horman is under a pre-arrest indictment in the matter of the alleged murder for hire plot, or some derivative thereof.
It would certainly be unlikely that she could have been booked and granted bail without a leak, but a sealed indictment, which may or may not include a sealed arrest warrant, would follow Oregon’s propensity to use the grand jury as a form of “preliminary hearing.” In light of the fact that there is an ongoing criminal investigation into Kyron’s disappearance involving Federal, county and State investigative assets, it would be entirely appropriate.
The public would not know until such time as the indictment and any potentially attached writs are unsealed. Throw in the possibility there is always the chance that Clackamas County may be the charging county for such an offense and not Multnomah.
In which case, this is about to get very interesting. Recall MCSO chief Dan Staton saying Clackamas County Major Crimes Team is involved in the case? That would suggest at least part of a crime has been established in their jurisdiction. Rudy Sanchez resides in Clackamas County.
Clackamas County District Attorney John Foote and Criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze are well acquainted. You might say that Foote owes his very job to Houze in a way-
John Foote lost as the incumbent DA in 1996 to his own deputy district attorney Terese “Terry” Gustafson. Terry was in the middle of fighting an Oregon Bar complaint at the time which cleared her name just days before the inauguration.
The embattled DA did not take long to be the subject of more ethics violations including felony perjury charges for lying to a circuit judge about releasing the file of a juvenile that was ordered to be destroyed. Gustafson was disbarred.
Who filed the Bar complaint who also represented the accused boy who was subsequently acquitted?
Who was the prosecuting attorney for the Oregon Bar?
Stephen Houze.
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@Bev
Welcome Bev to the group. I am a mother of a 7 year old and live in the local area. I have never felt this connected to a missing child case. I wakeup and check the forums in the morning and through out the day and in the evening. My heart aches for Desiree and Kaine. I want this boy brought back home. He should be starting school next week like the rest of the children. It is so hard when I see his picture because he looks just like my son’s best friend – splitting image of a twin. Kyron’s smile is a beautiful smile.
I totally forgot about the Lawless/Oregon connection. The Cantu case haunts me the most. What’s with the Oregon/child porn thing? Penalties not as stiff? Family ties? And an aside, how is that Lawless/Huckaby ring not busted yet? Sickness.
Looks like I was way off base on LS. I better get a tune up on my recall factor. Sorry all.
Here is a news story from today:
http://portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=128337191106651000
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Idahogal says:
September 2, 2010 at 8:03 am
FWIW, here is the link to the Leckey interview on KOIN where she states that TH had “her sick daughter in her arms” at the second FM store.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Grand-jury-witness-shares-her-encounter-with/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx
Yep. Does it make sense to anyone else that she would the abduction of the century with a sick toddler in tow?
B
Idahogal,
I listened to the interview but I didn’t hear that TH had Kiara in her arms that morning. Can you give me a time in the interview where that is stated? I may just be missing it.
Blink,
Perhaps TH picked up Kiara from whoever was babysitting her at one of the FM stops?
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Malty,
Thanks for the info about the MC thread. I have wondered why we haven’t heard more about him and if he has been called before the GJ. I find myself looking for inconsistencies when it comes to what people say versus what they do. If someone says they are concerned about a missing child but then are sexting a short time later, the behavior isn’t in agreement with the words, in my opinion. Regarding the sexting, I have also wondered if that was done using the BAT phones and not TH’s personal cell phone. How long has MC been acquainted with TH? Is it longer than has been reported? I am not saying he is involved, but his behavior seems off to me. I realize that the only information we have is what has been reported, so we don’t have the whole story.
As always these are only my own questions and opinions.
TBZ,
You are so right, Kyron’s smile is beautiful. I am praying for his safe return and hope we will see that sweet smile again very soon.
I remember, early in the investigation, Sheriff Stanton was on TV and mentioned Kyron as “Kyron Holmes” two times during an interview. At the time, I wondered if this meant anything.
Later, we learned the Horman’s had a neighbor named Kim Holmes. Kim’s son Curtis not only attended Kyron’s school, but was a classmate and a good friend of Kyron’s.
Kim Holmes husband, Avery Villareal (unfortunately) died as a result of a vehicle accident within the past year or so. Mr. Villareal was a landscaper.
Kim Holmes has an older son (22)named Avery Villareal. Maybe Terri was “friends” with him too?
I’m wondering (in general) if someone in the Villareal/Holmes family could have been involved in some sort of investigation/dealings… prior to Kyron being taken.
The family lives very near Kyron’s home, have been familiar with the Horman family, a Mr. Villareal was in the landscaping business. Perhaps he was friends with Rudy Sanchez?
If Terri became “involved” in illegal activities or even an affair, this could have resulted in the Hormans being in danger (e.g. Terri being threatened, or Terri plotting with a dangerous person).
Seems to me, based on the initial search areas, LE had reason to believe something had happened to Kyron locally. The routes LE requested videos from and areas they checked were very specific (e.g. Pumalas, Villareal/Holmes).
Also, based on pings, Terri’s (apparent) lack of appropriate alibi, and Blink’s past mention of “someone being in a panic,” I have a feeling this could all mean something.
I just have a feeling locals/neighbors may have something to do with all of this (based on few facts we can confirm).
Anybody get the same “feelings?”
Thank you Idaho, yes, we are of like minds on the issue.
B
@Bev – MOO is My Own Opinion, or My Opinion Only or whatever. There is also JMO for Just My Opinion, MHO for My Humble Opinion, JMHO for Just My Humble Opinion, IMO for In My Opinion, IMHO, and so on. There are many abbrevs on this site like SM for Step Mom and SAHM for Stay At Home Mom (referring to Terri) and many others if anyone wants to jump in and further educate.
IMO, people MOO because they want to make sure they don’t accused of slander or libel on someone, and as we all know, it’s legal to state an opinion but not legal to state something as if it is a fact, if you don’t know it is a fact. IDK (I Don’t Know), seems like when it’s a blog like this, it’s automatically known that these are opinions but it never hurts to MOO.
@Rollermonkey
the deceased husband is not Avery, his name was Cat
Observant says:
September 2, 2010 at 6:05 pm
Hi Observant – You have to read the article as the video has been edited and that statement has been omitted from it, for some bizarre reason…
Thank you Idahogal, I will read the article.
@ Observant
I just saw the story about” Starry Nights~Portland, Ore.~ Tim” just yesterday on unusual suspects (Dish network) & I do believe with all my heart that the more loved ones & others push~ & PUSH HARD to find the truth about a missing person the more investigators will listen & often times someone “new” to the investigation will see something others have missed~!That was such a sad case but the parents kept on until the truth (however sad) was bought to light~ & the murderers were bought to justice~
Oh ~! and sometimes we have to think for ourselves & grab the bull by the horns and do what our gut tells us if someone tells us just to sit back & wait ~ within reason I will add…
I’ve collected some info about the Andrea Lackey edited video.
At the time the story first aired on KOIN, several people (including a friend of mine who is following this case very closely) reported hearing that Baby Kitty was in TH’s arms at their accidental meeting in the Fred Meyer store.
When the video went up, that portion was edited out, and the text version on KOIN’s website reflected the same.
Because there was some online bickering about whether or not ‘baby in arms’ had been explicitly said, (and people were being challenged online about what they had heard and ‘prove it!’) my friend called her reporter pal at KOIN and asked them to correct the text version of the story to include the ‘in arms’ statement, and KOIN did.
I asked my friend to help me clarify my memory of the events and she just gave me the above information about contacting the reporter. This is what she wrote back:
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“I think the news , well I KNOW, they don’t care much about the details like we do.. even little J (the reporter) didn’t get it when I said how IMPORTANT it was to the net community the fact that baby was w/Terri that am in the store..
Obviously KOIN didn’t think so either and they just used the one quote for the news broadcast (which the affiliate got) but posted the chopped interview on their site..
Nothing at all to do with LE quashing anything. I would bet my life on that =)
The article would have never been edited (causing confusion) had I not called J and she added it lol!”
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She then supplied me with a link to a KTVL (Medford OR) version of the report which.. includes the actual quote!! yay!
http://www.ktvl.com/video/?videoId=581589824001&play=now
The quote is at 1:13 in the video “in a few seconds, with her daughter being sick in her arms,”. She is gesturing, showing ‘holding’ the baby in arms.
Hopefully this answers this question: AL *did* say she saw Baby Kitty in the FM with TH on June 4.
What that means, well, I’ll leave to the rest of us to puzzle on.
Watch the Video peeps, but I believe it is at 1:23 where she states Kiara is in her arms.
Thanks Evie.
B
Blink, please put through my requisition for a new pair of reading glasses. (was just testing you
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evie! Thanks, guess that ‘splains it. (RE; Andrea Lackey video)
CassieS,
I admit I do not know anything about the Moreau case except what I read in the article I posted the link to earlier today. I’m glad that the family knows the truth now. I wanted to post it because I do believe that the media is important in cases like this. Like you said it is so important for people to keep pushing and to keep the story alive. I am someone who usually sits back and observes but am realizing that I can contribute by adding my voice to a group of others who care about Kyron. I hope there is resolution to this case soon and Kyron is reunited with his loved ones.
Evie,
Thanks so much for the information regarding the AL interview!
Gosh I knew I saw AL say she saw Terri with baby Kiara in her arms. Thanks so much EVIE for staying with this and helping the news folks understand how important this is to the big picture. I thought I was losing my mind when I couldn’t find it again.
Ok, so sorry to be obnoxious. I have been waiting for a couple of months to do this, but…Scared Monkeys haven’t confirmed me and I’m so bummed! I read there everyday and I would love to join the conversation. If anyone can vouch for me to Klaasend, I’d really appreciate it. I registered under the same name as I post here. If you don’t want to be a middle manager, I understand. I’m nervous to even put this forward. As always, thank you kindly!
haven’t=hasn’t—oops
Blink,
Nice site. I’ve been lurking here for a while but I finally have a question. You say “Yep. Does it make sense to anyone else that she would [pull off] the abduction of the century with a sick toddler in tow?”
I’m confused as to why the two would be mutually exclusive. She could have had the baby in tow and still have her accomplice carry out the abduction. You obviously have info that the rest of us are not privy to, but I think there are too many indications that suggest that TH knew Kyron would go missing that day (doctor’s appointment, making sure to be seen in town, etc.). Am I missing something?
Re ( http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Grand-jury-witness-shares-her-encounter-with/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx )
it says: “At the time of their Fred Meyer encounter, Leckey said she was being polite and making chit-chat because she knew Horman’s daughter was not feeling well.” In the interview she says she knew that from the day before, so apparently Terri was at the gym on June 3rd and either took Kiara to be around other kids while she was sick, or left her with someone and told Andrea that’s why she hadn’t come as usual. I wonder who would keep Kiara during the day.
If we now know she was at the second FM store, then the issue is whether she was really sick. If she was “in her arms” – asleep vs riding in a cart or walking along with her – and Terri said she was sick, who wouldn’t believe her?
Kaine likely saw Kiara that morning and knew if she was or wasn’t fussy during the night, definitely saw her from mid-afternoon on, and Desiree and Tony saw her as soon as they got there and stayed at the house. So did an LE officer. If she were sick, you’d think somebody would have noticed. Terri wouldn’t have just kept giving her pain medicine so she appeared OK, since having her sick was part of her own story. Kaine and Desiree both have said she was not sick.
a side note about Andrea Leckey -
http://southwestportland.katu.com/content/officer-involved-shooting-reported-hoyt-arboretum
Andrea Leckey, who says in the other (Kyron)interview that she moved from the east coast for a quiet life, was also interviewed by the media in March about an unrelated police shooting of a man with a knife at Hoyt Arboretum in Forest Park where she was hiking with her kids on Spring Break. She was close by, but did not see the shooting.
She seems like a nice person who was careful not to condemn anyone in the koin interview, spoke in support of those who are hurting, and didn’t speculate about things she didn’t really know
Annals says:
September 1, 2010 at 5:49 pm
@Annals -thanks for the thoughtful response, and reading suggestion. Wow… what you wrote about what the sociopath/NPD wants : “They want to win.” Boy, does that resonate in this case, and with my former friend -she had so many people sucked in to her web -wanted to win so badly (even if it was just the best seat at a cafe!) that she ending up losing her marriage, family, 1/2 custody, 2 residencies, 2 jobs, and will never become board certified. And you know, she apparently STILL doesn’t ‘get’ it! The problem with these personalities is that they do not think anything is wrong with them -it is everyone else. And since they are perfect, they in no way would seek therapy. If they did, they would most likely not follow through. They make seek an attorney [to help them win], but most likely will sit there trying to tell the lawyer what to do. My friend represented herself in divorce, cuz the lawyer, “didn’t know what he was doing.” -lol. She tried to sue the county for raising her prop. taxes too much (again, self-representation, case thrown out)It just goes on and on and on…
“There is alot going on in this case people, you recall my blinkism “stay at 30,000 feet”?
B”
Huh? Would love a translation…
PS. (trivia for today) -I speak Swedish … The Dragon Tattoo movie in Swedish is called, “Män som hatar kvinnor” (really good!)-literal translation being “Men Who Hate Women.” lol. The author of the story, Stieg Larsson, died a few years ago and most of his work was published posthumous. Interesting how the author’s inclination was to title the book in line with the plot, whereas the English chose a translation focusing on the girl…fwiw
Alright you spoilers, I watched the dang thing streamed thru Netflix. Outstanding. Particularly Interesting to me as I am of Swedish/German/Austrian descent. I will still finish my audiobook, I love the tale from the narrative even more. Thanks all for the recommendation and the indulgence of the O/T.
B
B
I never recieved a link from the person who stated that Terri went to the gym right before the press conference, I didn’t think I would…
Their argument was that Terri took off her wedding ring for a weight training session at the gym then went straight to the presser, without putting it on. I would have like to see a link because I have followed this case on all tv channels and newspapers since the beginning and never heard that.
So, that info felt suspiciously like inside information to me.
Therefore, I ask all you Blinkers: (I feel funny saying Blinkettes because of all the men on this board) Did you ever read or listen to a report that Terri went to the gym right before the 1st presser that the family spoke at?
Before you think I am beating a dead horse, my reason is to see if that was true or inside info.
Also, I found a link to one of the pictures that shows the wedding band Terri wore:
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/TerrismilingatSafariSams11-2009.jpg
As you can see, it is very dark and noticeable. It was the ring she ore for a professional photo shoot where she was surrounded by all three kids, wearing a green blouse. It was not on her hand at the presser. Okay, so if she forgot to put it on before going on tv, and someone has proof, fine. But here is the thing, it was NOT the ring she wore to court last week. That says so much to me. It tells me she didn’t take her wedding band when she moved out.
If I were trying to tell my husband I am innocent and love him still and this is all a misunderstanding, I would keep my real wedding band on and take it with me when I moved.
MOO of course, this is my longest comment to date. I am not trying to beat a dead horse and I know it may be only a small thing, but I know how important a wedding ring can be.
Annals says:
September 1, 2010 at 7:35 pm
hmmmm.interesting perspective on TY being at the interviews. Don’t know his voice well enough…My thought at the time was that the reporter was running over her time slot, and it was a production assistant or coordinator off camera who was trying to keep the interview schedule moving along, since they had a stacked schedule of multiple local and national reporters… I have no doubt that TY knows exactly when to nip in the bud, B -Seems we would have heard some reference to him even being up from Medford though…? Got me! Oh, is it significant at all?
Annals says: September 2, 2010 at 12:49 pm
“But, to replace factual data with falsified information…well, as you say; even more shocking.”
I can prove that one, and it floored me. There was some very specific information on a privately owned, commercial (as in paid) database of public records at the time of Kyron’s disappearance and for some time thereafter, but this same information was removed, altered, and replaced with bogus crap.
This is not a database that most of you use, FYI. I’d be surprised if anyone else on this board — save one or two members — even have access to it.
Annals says: September 2, 2010 at 12:49 pm
“About the Andrea Lackey video specifically; let’s say it was edited per LE request. Why edit an already posted video, removing the baby in arms part, but fail to edit the baby-in-arms out of the written article accompanying it?”
As noted in my comment, that is my personal opinion only. I cannot otherwise explain why KOIN would go and edit down the raw video — which was far more interesting — and take out the best part where Leckey says it was weird because she’s taking the time to talk about the science fair and show me a photo when she’s got this sick baby in her arms.
I could see a media outlet finding it easier to justify leaving film on the cutting room floor than the obvious removal of words from a piece. By leaving the words in, the reader is left to question their validity because it does not match the video. Again, JMHO.
Observant says: September 2, 2010 at 6:05 pm
“I find myself looking for inconsistencies when it comes to what people say versus what they do. If someone says they are concerned about a missing child but then are sexting a short time later, the behavior isn’t in agreement with the words, in my opinion. Regarding the sexting, I have also wondered if that was done using the BAT phones and not TH’s personal cell phone. How long has MC been acquainted with TH? Is it longer than has been reported? I am not saying he is involved, but his behavior seems off to me. I realize that the only information we have is what has been reported, so we don’t have the whole story.”
IMHO, insecure people do weird things to try and raise their self image. Prior to Kyron’s disappearance, Terri Horman was overweight and not at all the confident person she was just a couple years beforehand. At the time of the alleged sexting, Terri was getting skewered by everyone around her. I could see her grasping for whatever validation she could find, even if inappropriate.
As to the “bat phones,” remember there were three women (IIRC) who had them. If Terri was using the “bat phone” for sexting, it suggests that she might have a healthy level of personal shame.
I have seen many people in divorce court who were having extra-marital flings. IMHO, the people sneaking around are the ones — who although possessing incredibly poor judgment — love their spouses or at least do not want a divorce. The flagrant cheats who bring their mistresses home and use their family PCs are just begging for a boot in the tush to get moving out the door, IMHO.
MOO, but I don’t suppose the phones were purchased for sexting. If there was an innocent motive, it could be that Terri feared for her life (or maybe was trying to leave Kaine), and her friends were trying to help her escape. Otherwise, the timing of everything just speaks to a different set of motives.
Except for the allegation that Terri waited under the stairs for Kyron, there’s nothing about the sequence of events that indicates that this was carefully planned. As Blink noted, would you try and pull off a kidnapping with a sick baby in your arms?
I’ll add to that list, would you wait until the day of the kidnapping to buy the bat phones?
Put yourself in that situation, and ask why would someone take these actions and in this manner, and at these specific times? IMHO, it sounds like something that came together very quickly.
What I cannot fit in this scenario is the part about her hiding under the stairs for Kyron. That’s the part that doesn’t fit, unless she was forced to act that day instead of later.
As to Michael Cook, if you haven’t seen the video of the vigil, it’s a must-see. Michael Cook is smirking and practically beaming at the room full of crying people.
Res ipsa loquitur: Michael Cook’s behavior speaks for itself.
tarmancer says:
September 1, 2010 at 10:03 pm
Does anyone have any ideas as to why we never hear/see of Dede anymore? I cannot believe the press has not followed her around getting pics and trying to get comments. I wonder if it’s true that maybe she is switching sides? I hope so.
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No clue, but I have not seen any of the local news stations going around getting cheap shots of anything. They report from the studio or pertinent locations where there is “news” to report, and people to interview (or attempt to interview). Earlier on they approached [those involved] at the gym, parking garage and at DS’s house. But since then, I have not seen them do any more “paparazzi” type stuff like that…. Perhaps they have in some way been warned by LE and are trying to respect the investigation…and/or aim to report only the “news” and not dip down to the type of reporting that would help a news source to lose credibility? As curious as I am, I still don’t wanna see my local (major network) affiliates stoop like that…stalking people that is…~~vooops! gotta fly, there goes D into Burgerville! ~~~
I think some of these “friends” of TH may find themselves supportive at the onset, then as the story begins to unfold, and her behavior becomes tres bizarre (which,think about it, how she is acting to her friends at this point must be a whole nother chapter to dissect), they have said, **&&^%$$^&, I’m outta here. That lady’s effed up and I don’t want any part of this disaster.
As an aside, I don’t think Terri looks smug and “all that” anymore. She looks scared s***less.
I asked before and I’ll try again…”Unleash the lawyers…” as it were…so, if you’re guilty as hell and you’ve done the unspeakable, do you show up at your 350K lawyer and continue the charade? As someone else asked, then he is obliged to defend a lie? If she lies and he knows it, he bails? I mean how does this work? I don’t get what goes on in the halls of justice with creeps and their attorneys? I just don’t get it.
Kaylee says:
September 2, 2010 at 12:40 pm
Your question of the passive-aggressiveness is somewhat answered by what Desiree says about Terri in the KATU interviews. In part one, Desiree says Terri was a “great actress” and “I never knew she was angry, but I didn’t live with her.” (That sounded like an unintentional jab at Kaine.) Later on in part two, she said that Terri did not go into “fits of rage” but was “way more subtle”.
Kaylee, thank you so much for pointing that out. I actually feel like I have some insight into TH’s behavior based on my close relationship with someone passive-aggressive and who meticulously plans overly elaborate schemes in an attempt to cause people to act or react a certain way. It always just seemed so bizarre to me as people seldom do what we want them to and my friend just didn’t get this. Thank you for your kind words of understanding. It was difficult to share because it makes me sound inattentive and self-involved (two qualities I attributed to Kaine in the past) and if I heard someone tell that story I would immediately wonder how in the heck could you not notice a person was mad for 10 years.
A few weeks ago I posted my speculation about the LS possibly being in dire straits over money because of a drug deal he screwed up. I firmly believe a landscaping business would be a perfectly covert and effective way to deliver heroin or cocaine to middle class neighborhoods. Right at the time a landscaper appears on the scene with a great MFH story (for which no one to our knowledge has been arrested), a bunch of people suddenly are installed (IIRC July 8th) in Multnomah County Jail and are on US Marshall holds, one being Anselmo Sanchez.
This may or may not be relevant or related. On June 14th this bust was reported:
http://www.kptv.com/news/23897332/detail.html
I still wonder about Rudy’s friends and associate. Hell, I wonder about Rudy! Where is he? What does he look like? Does he have lots of relatives in the area? Does he go to his native country to visit relatives often, seldom, never?
LOL wonder what pics MC sent to Terri
mooooooo
WC said, “When I turned over my NWF calandar this morning, there was a picture of a little red-eyed tree frog at the bottom.”
@WC: I have one of those calendars, too. I just turned the page. Maybe it’s a divine omen that Kyron will be found soon. I pray for him every day. I haven’t commented much lately because I didn’t visit here for a couple of days, so have been trying to catch up on reading posts. I was kind of hoping that if I resisted looking for news of Kyron for a couple of days, when I finally looked again, there would be good news. It is comforting to come here, though, because so many people feel the same way about Kyron. Like others, I’ve been thinking about James, Quinn and Kiara, too, and reflecting how they are also victims because life cannot be easy for them right now (especially for the boys, who are starting a new school year with more pressing issues on their minds) and neither will it get easier until Kyron is found. Even if Kyron does return home soon, as we all hope, he and all of his siblings will need a lot of therapy for years to come.
A radical thought just for the heck of it –
Perhaps Rudy has spent 5 years setting up a landscaping business to work undercover and did not report the MFH because he was working on bigger things and Terri gave him reason to believe she was not going to keep pursuing it. You don’t develop undercover connections overnight. A successful sting would have meant he wouldn’t totally blow his cover because the other officer was there also to verify everything on the tape. If Rudy is connected to LE some way, his testimony alone about the MFH would carry a lot more weight, but they would try not to use him that way if it ruined something bigger. Keeping him away from reporters and out of sight (even in a photo) makes a lot more sense if he is working undercover, however, you can only do that so long before he would lose his connections anyway, or make them suspicious – and dangerous.
Criminals or suspected criminals seem to be “fair game” for the news media. Perhaps the reason his name and picture are not in the news and no cameras were allowed around the GJ was to protect those working on “bigger fish”, not simply the witnesses who saw Terri or DeDe.
I have to question whether Kiara was sick. AL says in the video that she and Terri talked about Kiara being sick because she knew that from the day before. We don’t know when or where they talked the day before, but my guess would be at the gym. I doubt Kiara was really sick, because most day care operations will not care for a child who is ill. So it appears that on June 3rd Kiara was well enough to be dragged along with Mom to the gym. And Mom spoke to at least one person about Kiara being sick.
I cannot find it for the life of me, but I read or watched a parent at Skyline mentioning Terri talking about Kiara being sick. If a child is sick, we really would not take them to the gym with us nor would we take them to an elementary school science fair. Supposing we were stupid enough to drag a sick child around with us, would we tell everyone who would listen?
On the KATU interviews of last week (part 2 at 2.22), the reporter asks, “Do you buy her story that she was driving Kiara around because she had an earache that day?” I find validation in Kaine’s immediate answer of “no.” however, he closes his eyes while shaking his head. He’s usually very direct so his demeanor during his answer seems odd for him. Body language experts, could you give me your take on this? TIA
Kiara was probably not sick at all. Having people think Kiara was sick is a piece of Terri’s plan for some reason (possibly to build premise for the FM alibi).
I believe Terri dreamed up some scheme. Terri probably involved several people. Things did not go per Terri’s plan.
newsatfive says:
September 2, 2010 at 10:46 pm
“Except for the allegation that Terri waited under the stairs for Kyron, there’s nothing about the sequence of events that indicates that this was carefully planned. As Blink noted, would you try and pull off a kidnapping with a sick baby in your arms? ”
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I’m not gonna factor in the Th under stairs for now, cuz the sole source is a seemingly trouble-making troll, imo. But I agree with you that the was not so carefully planned as some believe. imo, this is evidenced by merely the gaps in alibi -not rock solid and in fact what raised a lot of eyebrows early on. If DS was involved that day, then hers was a LITTLE more feasible given the physical location (40 acres) she was working that day, but still not rock solid, obviously.
Can you provide a link that states that prepaid phones were purchased on June 4th? Seems to me the report was that these were purchased days or weeks later, once the ladies felt they had no privacy on their own phones. But to answer your question, no, of course you wouldn’t buy those that day.
Another thing bugs me is that how the heck would she know that FM1 would NOT have a certain med in stock in advance, yet that FM2 would? Inventory is easily verified. Surely she was asked by Le “what med were you looking for?” …but it does not make sense cuz one FM would have the same merchandise as another, essentially. You see, it’s too unbelievable to have planned, so it might just be true? Just a thought.
Newsatfive you said:
I can prove that one, and it floored me. There was some very specific information on a privately owned, commercial (as in paid) database of public records at the time of Kyron’s disappearance and for some time thereafter, but this same information was removed, altered, and replaced with bogus crap.
This is not a database that most of you use, FYI. I’d be surprised if anyone else on this board — save one or two members — even have access to it
Can you elaborate on the above?
and do you have a link to the vigil?
No she cannot on the database-
Anyone have a link to the vigil? If not I am positive SM does.
B
I can’t remember the guy who had an Intel laptop/info? in his vehicle and it was stolen. Just crossed my peabrain and was wandering why it was brought up to begin with. Tried google but just got lots of rubbish. Can someone help me?
Well whaddya know, I jump over to SM and the very first post I see is #538 speaking of Michael Roten and it says he stole KH’s laptop. I have my answer.
Mb-
I reported the find about the stolen laptop bag in the vicinity of his charge ( which escapes me at the moment) and to my knowledge, there has been no allegation that the laptop was Kaine’s.
On a separate issue, I know Fox reported that the phones were purchased by the friends the day Kyron went missing, but I have found NO independent corroboration on that and frankly feel it is just erroneous reporting.
B
melissab – the link to that information is here:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/07/04/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-sources-terri-horman-hired-landscape-lover/
It’s at the bottom of the article.
melissab says:
September 3, 2010 at 8:28 am
I can’t remember the guy who had an Intel laptop/info? in his vehicle and it was stolen.
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It was Blink;
Intel colleague and Horman family friend Michael G. Roten, was arrested last August on suspicion of menacing charges in Clackamas County the day after an Intel bag with a Sony computer, prescription Gucci glasses was taken from a vehicle on Country Club Rd. It is not known if the 2 incidents are related. Roten posted on Terri Horman’s facebook offering any help they could, a few days after Kyron’s disappearance was made public.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/07/04/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-sources-terri-horman-hired-landscape-lover/#more-4177
Annals says;
September 3, 2010 at 9:13 am
It was Blink;
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I should have written, It was Blink who reported on the laptop theft.
Blink,
So, Kiara was at the FM store with SM.
I thought that Kiara was NOT at the science fair.
No parent or anyone has said that they saw Kiara at Science Fair.
So, where did SM pick Kiara up? This could have been part of Terri’s
plan.????? Why would Kiara be with SM Terri at store but NOT at the Science Fair?
Does not make sense to me.
Or me
B
Thank you very much. I really think that the phones, even if bought June 4, were to be used for friends of TH so that her cell didn’t miss a call because this was thought of as a kidnapping in the beginning. I’m sure she needed someone to talk to, she prolly had the evil eye(Maloika?) on her from moment one as the last person to see Ky.
Here is the link to the candlelight vigil with video and story from KGW.
MC appears at approx. 9:20.
http://www.kgw.com/home/Candlelight-vigil-planned-for-Kyron-Horman-96304094.html
I just keep getting the feeling we are all chasing the wrong rabbit. Not saying TH is innocent of anything. I just keep thinking there is a very, very large piece to this puzzle that remains undiscovered, at least by us.
Agreed.
This poor little guy, my heart breaks for him.
B
B + peeps…slightly off-topic story…but I found it very meaningful.
Last night, I finally got some time to watch a couple of episodes of the newly released Dexter season 4 with the hubby. We watched episode 4.8 “Road Kill”…and there is a scene that hit very close to home pertaining to this case.
In this scene Dexter is at an out-of-town conference and needs to establish his alibi. He check into the conference registration (but does not actually attend the conference) and immediately after check-in takes a photo of himself and another person there and emails it to his sister.
In that one minute of footage, I couldn’t help but think of our dear TMH and her own affinity for this show and her notorious FB post of the science fair. I’m sure she has seen the episode as well….original air date was Nov. 15, 2009.
I know the issue of that Friday morning has gone ’round and ’round…but I can’t help but think the events may have been heavily orchestrated to appear as one thing but be another.
I just emailed Nigel Jaquiss at Willamette Week, saying I hoped that he was looking into the possibility that Ky is just one victim of something larger/ongoing. Jaquiss does a lot of pieces on coverups and corruption, plus anything else that is icky.
I’ll post separately on some possible interesting reading.
Will the media ever be able to report on Ky at 30,000 ft.? Maybe later, but I’ll bet if there’s anything that might clean up Oregon’s child abuse problem, people like Jaquiss will have a hand in publishing it. Oh–I don’t know or represent him. Lol! It’s just that he’s no slouch. (WW was thrown out of KH’s early press conference, for not being “team players” remember? Jaquiss is not a team player. He outs people who need outing.) Some credentials:
http://www.pulitzer.org/citation/2005-Investigative-Reporting Jaquiss won a Pulitzer Prize for Investigative Journalism. I’ll put details in my next post.
http://www.anderson.ucla.edu/x15004.xml Jaquiss grad. School of Journalism, Columbia U. among other honors.
Jaquiss’ Pulitizer Prize was in 2005 for his investigation exposing a former governor’s long concealed sexual misconduct with a 14-year-old girl. That’s Gov. Neil Goldschmidt—yet another of those Oregon public servants dedicated to cleaning up child sexual abuse. Seems to be the ticket to run on for some time now.
Goldschmidt rings a bell, doesn’t it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Goldschmidt for all the political positions he held, including Sec. of Trans. under Pres. Carter
Here’s the kind of outing that reporter Jaquiss does. So much alleged corruption and officers committing crimes in their personal lives in Clackamas County Sheriff’s Dept. (where city of Tualatin is–where the FBI searched homes of DeDe’s friends; where Mayor Ogden’s family friend and housemate Leverence got arrested for possession of child porn–I’ll post separately a little more on that).
http://www.wweek.com/editorial/3638/14334/
for current article by Jaquiss about Clackamas sheriffs
We’re looking at possible ongoing child sex crime activity prior to June 4. Everywhere I turn I find possibilities to look into. Oregon and Washington do have a major problem with this. And it’s so rare for it to operate for so long without some sort of collusion in high places.
Just a recent/prior to June 4 event that I’m not saying involved collusion, but it’s just so odd:
Tualatin (city) is mostly in Washington County; a small portion is in Clackamas Cty.
One of longtime Mayor Lou Ogden’s housemates, Leverence, arrested for child porn and Ogden says: “I’m not going to just arbitrarily assume someone’s doing bad stuff,” Ogden said of his conversation with Leverence. “But I did tell him, ‘If you’re doing anything bad, don’t do it in my house.’” Link:
http://www.oregonlive.com/tualatin/index.ssf/2010/06/tualatin_mayors_roommate_arrested_on_child_pornography_charges.html
Leverence’s charges were just for possession, I believe, BUT there were MSM reports that there were small children in the house. Oh, Ogden is said to “travel alot” and not be in the house much. It’s more like a roominghouse??
Another quote from Mayor Ogden: “Tualatin Mayor Lou Ogden, who is running for re-election, said the arrest “shocked and outraged him,” but he allowed his housemate to stay because they are family friends and he was assured the incident was an accident.”:
http://topics.oregonlive.com/tag/child%20pornography/index.html
Another website did a little sleuthing in July on Ogden, whose own children are adults, now, I think, but apparently were friends with Leverence and his (?) children. Unfortunately, the links indicating there were small children in the home won’t come up for me (scroll near the bottom. The KOIN link won’t come up either). Hmmm…
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108105
Such a rich field to mine that I just don’t have time for it these days. I do hope Jaquiss or somebody is on it because if Ky was the target of a sex crime, he is not alone in that area. Not by a long shot.