Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Attorneys Call Her A Suspect
Disclaimer– exclusive original content copyright and property of Internet Network News, LLC and Blinkoncrime.com. Reproduction of this article , ANY OF IT’S Conclusions, comments or CONTENT, in whole or in part, without proper attribution and source link is strictly prohibited without prior written permission.
In court papers filed Wednesday, Bunch went further, noting that Terri Horman is a “de facto suspect” in the second-grader’s disappearance…”
Portland, OR- In a voluntary appearance in court yesterday for matters relating to the pending divorce motion by estranged husband Kaine; Terri Horman showed her face for the first time since the week after her stepson, Kyron, vanished from Skyline School.
Although Kaine Horman opted to be represented by his counsel Laura Rackner and not appear personally to protect himself emotionally, according to Rackner, Terri Horman braved the fray.
Arriving with attorneys Peter Bunch and Stephen Houze, the trio was immediately met and escorted by MCSO deputies in “the box” formation to the 5th floor courtroom where local media scurried in from behind. Within 45 minutes, Judge Meisenheimer ruled in Kaine Horman’s favor and granted his request that the issues of the mortgage-sized retainer, allegedly furnished by Terri to Houze and other distribution and custody issues will be heard in a hearing on October 7, denying her request to have the issues bifurcated.
During the proceeding, Bunch argued that his Client cannot properly litigate the divorce and custody actions currently because she is.”..unable to proceed in the ordinary course to protect her rights as to discovery, property division, support and, particularly, custody and parenting time issues.”
In fact, for the first time publicly, we learn a very important detail about the criminal investigation into Kyron Horman’s disappearance.
According to her counsel, who would certainly be “in the know”, Terri Horman has NOT been named a suspect by MCSO in Kyron’s case, but she is painfully aware she is one.
Loosely translated, a defacto suspect is an unofficially declared suspect, but for all intents and purposes is definitely the target of the investigative crosshairs.
The Microsaccade Moment
Microsaccades are tiny involuntary movements of the eye generally caused by visual fixation. The result on visual perception can cause the beholder to question if they are “really seeing what they are seeing.”
I had a few of those yesterday while analyzing footage of the day’s events in conjunction with known facts of this case.
They Are:
The MCSO guard detail dispatched at the courthouse assigned to Terri and counsel et al for a family court appearance. I have spoken with a few local family lawyers who do not wish to be identified, with a combined 26 years of practice. None have ever seen this practice in a similar matter in Multnomah County. Specifically, the deputies went inside the actual hearing and waited to escort the trio out the back.
During the hearing, there was not a syllable mentioned about the driving force behind the request for expedition of the case in the first place. The very substantive weight that was used to secure an emergency custody and restraining order, which remains uncontested to date: The Alleged Murder for Hire Plot. Why wouldn’t a family lawyer looking to abate the divorce case strike at the very merits on which the plaintiff’s arguments are based? The plaintiff in this case uses an almost one year old mfh plot allegation, which was not carried out, and no person has been declared a suspect or arrested, to control every filing to date and counsel does not refute the claims therein? What possible reason could that be?
A recent interview with Terri Horman’s son James, in which he states that his Mother cannot have a computer, cell phone, or leave her parents home in Roseburg.
Blink Analysis Editorial: Sealed Criminal Indictment OR Civil Commitment?
A Civil commitment, which would have had to been voluntary, such as a concern for Ms. Horman injuring herself, or some sort of dependency is a possibility, but a highly unlikely one considering she appeared in court yesterday.
Strictly my opinion of course, but based on my microsaccades, I think it is entirely possible that Terri Horman is under a pre-arrest indictment in the matter of the alleged murder for hire plot, or some derivative thereof.
It would certainly be unlikely that she could have been booked and granted bail without a leak, but a sealed indictment, which may or may not include a sealed arrest warrant, would follow Oregon’s propensity to use the grand jury as a form of “preliminary hearing.” In light of the fact that there is an ongoing criminal investigation into Kyron’s disappearance involving Federal, county and State investigative assets, it would be entirely appropriate.
The public would not know until such time as the indictment and any potentially attached writs are unsealed. Throw in the possibility there is always the chance that Clackamas County may be the charging county for such an offense and not Multnomah.
In which case, this is about to get very interesting. Recall MCSO chief Dan Staton saying Clackamas County Major Crimes Team is involved in the case? That would suggest at least part of a crime has been established in their jurisdiction. Rudy Sanchez resides in Clackamas County.
Clackamas County District Attorney John Foote and Criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze are well acquainted. You might say that Foote owes his very job to Houze in a way-
John Foote lost as the incumbent DA in 1996 to his own deputy district attorney Terese “Terry” Gustafson. Terry was in the middle of fighting an Oregon Bar complaint at the time which cleared her name just days before the inauguration.
The embattled DA did not take long to be the subject of more ethics violations including felony perjury charges for lying to a circuit judge about releasing the file of a juvenile that was ordered to be destroyed. Gustafson was disbarred.
Who filed the Bar complaint who also represented the accused boy who was subsequently acquitted?
Who was the prosecuting attorney for the Oregon Bar?
Stephen Houze.
Related Posts
Related Posts:
1,272 Comments
RSS feed for comments on this post. TrackBack URI
44. newsatfive says:
September 5, 2010 at 3:26 pm
“There’s also the report that witnesses told the grand jury that Terri was hiding under the stairs at the time of the 8:45 am bell. (Given that the grand jury proceedings are confidential, this is either an unauthorized leak, or it is based on what a witness claims to have told the grand jury.)”
—————————————————–
I don’t mean to be picking on you -really. When I see “there’s a REPORT” -my assumption is that this is information reported y either LE or a news source. What does “report” mean to you in this context? As far as I have gathered, this information about TH hiding came from an anonymous commenter on OL named freeadvice11. Until it is actually “reported” -i.e. by reputable news source (fwiw) or LE, then I consider that tidbit to be the work of a troll. But hey, I certainly hope that it is true, that several kids saw her there -now wouldn’t that just blow her out of the water. We’ll see what develops!
The following is not in line with the tone on this site. I do apologize. I do not expect anyone to take time or effort, as you kindly do, to providing information/correct specific questions. At this time I think it is necessary to bring up the elephant in the room.
Has anyone wondered……
Why did the school inform Desiree and not KH/TH. They were standing there.
What was the 911 call in March all about? Who called & why? What about the other 911′s?
Why was James last name changed to Moulton and then he is moved away from TH, for the 1st time ever? Certainly TH has faced tough times before w/James.
Why no interest in Kiara? Could she have disappeared also? from the gym?
Why was Kyron told when he could leave his room?
I believe at the time of the call to Desiree, everyone at the school was trying to figure out if Kyron was indeed missing, or ie: did he go on a friend’s bus, think he was getting picked up and start walking home himself, etc.
@ Madilu says:
September 5, 2010 at 4:24 pm
re: On a relative note, it is my opinion that there is nothing on the “up and up” whatsoever with anyone involved with purchasing prepaid phones under fake names. Since presently in the US you are not required to present ID at purchase, these types of phones are a favorite tool of criminals and terrorists -they use them a few times, then toss.
*********************************************
hmmm hey hold on I’ve been using the pre-paid cell phones for years & I am not a terrorist nor a criminal just a 70 yr old person on a budget that only needs the cell for emergencies & I’m not one of those ‘keep the cell glued to my ears’ type of person.. And while I don’t toss mine I did just get a new one with camera & texting capabilities yummy, yummy so I donated my old one to a battered woman’s shelter.. ♥
You go nana.
After paying Blinkette’s bill last month, I am thinking about doing the same
B
@Madilu
I think I missed much of the conversation / info regarding Qwest. But are you saying the FBI does not need a phone companies assistance? I think I disagree in light of controvercy over phone companies providing the federal government with phone records without a subpoena. Hence, the FBI needs assistance from phone companies. The reason Qwest in unique is that they are the only phone company who did not comply with the government’s unlawful demands. First time I was pleased to be a Qwest customer. I am a stickler on principle.
2) FBI has access to all kinds of sophisticated somputers and communications equipment (who needs Qwest? lol)
cbickel: Get well soon!
Jackie Bauer: Good to see ya.
I have never heard any report from any media that TH was hiding under the stairs. I find that absurd, but who knows what a crazy red squirrel will do? Does anyone have a link to this statement?
beejay says:
September 5, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Hey, beejay, I am so with you on RS. Based on what we know he is all I can come up with now that Blink has ruled out AS on that day. We know that Ky knew RS, and I’m really stuck on it being someone he trusted. I don’t think TH took him from the school, but of course I could be wrong, again…
I sure as hell hope it wasn’t some random “bad guy”, that scares the crap out of me as a parent with a kid going back to school up here next week. And I’d be on LE like stink if it was and they didn’t warn anyone. I know I’m sort of paranoid because some sicko tried to kidnap me when I was little, but better safe than sorry.
Hi all – and happy holiday weekend to you all. I’m trying to catch up on all the reading that I missed since Thursday. While doing so, I have a question that I tried to answer by reading back to Blink’s original articles on Kyron. I couldn’t seem to find out how it is that MCSO found out about the MFH plot to begin with? I know that they were the agency that informed KH about the alleged plan, but who informed them? It resulted in KH taking Kiara and going into protective custody. Anyone?
B
I love my new phone especially the camera great invention (hope it was by a woman) my dog doesn’t stand a chance with the camera..
Pre -Paid was a great invention also great convenient money saver..
It now seems emails are a thing of the past & the only way I can get in touch with my kids or my granddaughter is by Text, Twitter or Facebook.. I just haven’t figured out how to use my Twitter & Facebook accounts from this phone too busy with the camera..
♥
Posted by accident continuing on…
Kyron was outside the school. 2 thoughts or 1.
Why did Detective Stanton cry? Very Personal, Why this child? Should he have anticipated this? Was referring to Kyron as Kyron Holmes (2xs) an accident or a clue?
Kim Holmes, mother of Curtis, Kyrons friend w/similar projects who go bowling together and have their picture taken at the science fair by TH. Curtis w/the 22 yr old brother Avery Villarreal who has a FB page referring to himself as Satans Spawn. I can only find 1 reference to the father/husband, which is so unflattering I will not post. His name is Kat and he died 1 yr ago involving a vehicle. Did I mention Kat & Avery are/were landscapers and this family lives near Jim Kelley & his truck sightings. Also, I believe Kim works at the school.
Why so many LE agencies & why does funding for Kyrons rescue not seem to be a problem?
I have never visited Oregon, but it appeaars to be a state of gardners/landscapers with a high population of red headed women.
Are Rudy, Ruben R, Rodolpho Sanchez & Anselmo Sanchez(x2) 1 person or 2?
I have read comments elsewhere that DeDe & others prefix texts with 666.
Why did Ann Pumala move to AZ? Why did Tanners GMother allow the interview? Where is DeDe, Brian P., Jaime Finister, MC and so on?
Why did the family say they would miss Kyron on Fathers Day before it arrived? Why their tone of this being lengthily?
Why do I hear a confidence in KH & DY voice that I feel goes beyond faith & hope. It has knowing to it.
Why does it feel like there is a tipping point, people are put in the spot light, they look like strong possibilities and then they disappear from the news. Why are some never shown?
Why is film edited in such a way as to confuse the followers of Kyron, is it to imede their thought process? or is fiction edited to fact?
Kitty was in TH arms at the FM store? Where is the term Kiara or her daughter?
350K for Mr. Houze. Inflated amount? $$$ from Moultons? On-line gaming/gambling? Drugs? Housewife type prostitution? License rights? Or perhap a group?
Th & her ring. There is a buyer for everything, like a grilled cheese sandwich w/Mary’s Face. I think that would have made the news. Could it be that TH is married to a higher power than what you & I think of as a union? Do any of the other ladies wear something similar?
Why do some people HATE Kaine? Hate is an extreme emotion, like love only rarer, very personal. To be so vocal when he has a child missing!
Why do people show such extreme emotion of support to TH!
Why did MC jump into the picture w/assistance, takes down his Kyron website and then stuffs Kaine by giving out Kaines work E-Mail for bracelets! Yet, still FB friends, even though MC has/had contact w/TH as well as 100′s of pictures/texts of her.
When did the sexting(s) that we know of start and stop?
Do the bat phoones imply privacy? something went wrong? or to many outsiders?
Their are so many other people/incidents that can be listed.
Their are to many clusters of coincidences and to many suspects/elephants in the room.
I can not provide anyone w/1 rational specific instance as to why I am starting to feel like this is a Cult. What is their belief? What are their rules? Was KH & TH starting to out them? All of this JMHO!!!
I am still standing by multiple trucks/red heads starting at the school.
B said “Let me clear this up, there is no place to “hide” under the stairs.”
Agree, but .. this is where the lost and found rack usually is. It would be a a logical place for a parent to browse through the many jacks and sweaters.
The connotation of the anonymous persons comment is clear- it was meant to appear as if she were hiding for some menacing intent- As it were, Kyron’s jacket and backpack were in his classroom.
B
I forgot to add another nugget of personal info. I was a kid in LA when the Hillside Strangler(s) was running loose. One of the bodies was found a few blocks from my grandma’s house, and most of them were found in the areas I lived in and frequented. I remember vividly that the police came to our school and addressed us at an assembly. They told us the MO used to get victims cooperation (impersonating a cop), and how to be safe and smart. Yes, the public was panicked and scared, but IMO, LE did the right thing by telling us what was up, even though we were kids. They just might have saved a life by doing that. So while I understand that LE never wants to cause panic, sometimes it is absolutely necessary to inform the public when they are in danger. Sigh…no wonder I’m so paranoid. Hollywood isn’t all that it’s cracked up to be, folks!
I just read over at Seamus O’Reiley’s blog and discovered the answer to my question. (@ 5:13 p.m. today). He states that a “local landscaper” came forward to MCSO with information that TH offered him mucho dinero for a MFH plot. Now, how does that make any sense? Why would the landscaper, whom I think is RS, want to put attention on himself?
I know it seems like I’m going back to square one, but with all the unanswered questions still open on this case, my mind is taking me back to the beginning.
Please skip over my questions if they seem too nonsensical to answer or if we’ve been there and answered that already.
Sue, that would be an assumption on Mr. O’Reilly’s part, and an erroneous one. I am a fan of his work, but that is factually inaccurate.
B
@ nana2 says:
September 5, 2010 at 4:46 pm
My saying that prepaids are noted to be a popular tool with criminals, I in no way assert that everyone who uses them is a crook. My mom, also 70, can’t stand cell phones…it took us kids forever to convince her to just put a prepaid in her purse in case of road emergency. There are many valid reasons to have a prepaid -like for your personal preference, and my mother’s -not wanting to be “locked in” to a contracts, and even those that have credit issues and are unable to be contracted… again, I did not say that all prepaid users were criminals. In this instance though, it’s a bit hinky.
Terri said she left Kyron walking down the hall to his classroom at about 8:45 a.m. She e-mailed a friend, however, that she left at 9:00 a.m. and Ky was in the “safe hands of a man chaperone”, (who was not on the list of approved chaperones), and two girls. PTA president Zimmerman said she saw them at 8:15 when groups of students were starting to form and go around looking at projects. Tanner Pumala saw Kyron for the last time around 9:00 running off to see a cool electric project and he also saw Terri leave without Kyron. Tanner said a female chaperone noticed Kyron’s absence before roll was taken so sometime before 10:00. 7th grader Tyler Kessinger told LE he saw Ky in the gym looking at projects with friends but not with Terri although her truck was still in the parking lot. Yet another child reportedly saw Terri hiding under the stairs about 8:45 a.m.
I believe that Terri’s second story is a lie. If she left at 9:00, she wouldn’t have been able to check out of Freddie’s by 9:12 as her receipt shows. I also think she made up the part about the unapproved man chaperone to further suspicions of a predator. How did she know the chaperone was not on the approved list and, if she did know that, why would she leave Kyron with this man and say that he was in “safe hands”?
I do not believe this could have been a stranger abduction. It may not have been Terri but it was definitely someone who was familiar with this particular school and its procedures, the lack of a camera, etc. Therefore, it had to have been an employee, another involved parent volunteer or someone being directed by Terri. It is inconceivable that a stranger would risk being seen on camera or being heard removing a screaming child against his will.
Judging from the reported sightings above, it seems that Kyron may have only spent a few minutes with Terri and then split off into a group at 8:15 (earlier than we thought). This would give credence to Tanner’s assertion that the chaperone noticed him missing from her group when they returned to the classroom, perhaps around 9 or 9:15. Terri may have wandered around the science fair by herself and then left after seeing Kyron on the way back to his classroom. But, did she leave or did she hide under the stairs? She could have told Kyron to go to the truck on his way back to the classroom with the group and she may have hidden downstairs so that she could watch his exit and signal the driver of the white truck know that it was time to pull the truck up close to the exit door. Then, she would have left in a separate white truck shortly after 8:45. She went to the two Freddies to establish her alibis and then met up somewhere for the hand-off of a likely drugged Kyron. I suppose they could have killed and buried him there but I think LE, dogs or someone would have picked up scent or found something. It would have to be somewhere within a certain time radius of the last Freddies and her gym where she went about 1 1/2 hours later. I believe these areas have been searched quite well. I therefore believe that Kyron was handed off to someone and removed from the area, the state, perhaps even the country, very quickly and may or may not still be alive.
These are my thoughts considering all the evidence that has been reported.
Blink I really laughed about no place to hide
. It was an
under the stairs
amusing idea that she would hide anyway
and be seen
In this article KH uses the word ‘abduct’ in relation to his missing son Kyron.. First time I’ve seen that word used..
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/426206_horman04.html?source=rss
The word ‘abduct’ in its verb form can equate to kidnapping..
— vb
1. to remove (a person) by force or cunning; kidnap (dictionary.com)
@ Madilu says:
September 5, 2010 at 6:06 pm
******************************
Here in Florida its the pager & the beeper users that we have to watch out for us Pre-Paids are ignored.. Although I was asked for I.D when I made this particular phone purchase.. Loved it & wanted to show two..
Usually, I just observe here but I had to remark about the alternative theory site. I was blown away by the venom spewed against KH. An objective mind could not come up with those thoughts. Who is writing?
When you go to comment, change your name manually, it recognizes your computer and fills it in automatically so you have to change it on your end before you submit.
@GraceintheHills and/or anyone else who can help me:
I’m lost as to how much info. LE would normally be giving to parents (like KH-DY-TY) at this point in the investigation, and up till now. I think maybe I overestimated how much LE has actually told them.
At one of the KH-DY pressers not long ago I heard KH say something to the effect that LE can’t tell them much for fear that they’ll accidentally let it out. That really took me aback. Yeah, he’s right about that part. And again, he’ll say “based on briefings”; I don’t know if he’s just trying to buttress his point or if his statements did come from LE. Recently I saw him carefully point out that things he and DY said were their own feelings (i.e., not LE info.).
I need help evaluating what I hear from the parents, I guess.
Off topic here for a sec…was just looking at AV’s fb page, Friday night he posts “F*ck the police”…he sounds like a really nice, well respected young man, NOT !!
(BTW, he hasn’t posted anything since March 7th and then this post mentioned above late Friday night). Sounds like a great role model for his daughter.
@Idahogal: When LE came to your school, as a child, had there already been more than one murder?
I’m thinking that had there been more than one disappearance similar to Ky’s in the area, that LE would be at the schools talking about it. Also, in this case, they apparently don’t know quite what they need to warn anyone about.
You’re not being paranoid. And I’m not in your situation with a child returning to school. You can do what you can do, while letting your kids have a life and not be tied up in knots all day! Oh, and know any landscapers you hire, but don’t KNOW them in the Biblical sense. All will be well for you and yours.
His brother CV’s a real gem too (nice reading on his wall also)
I especially like his advice on his wall to AV: you should log out of your facebook man, ave (August 30th)
Blink,
Any possibility of these 3 Villarreal men being related to the Villarreal family in Oregon:
http://www.missionpolice.org/sexregistration02.html (scroll towards bottom)
just thought it was strange all 3 men have sexual assault charges on a child, or indecency w/ child.
Sue says:
September 5, 2010 at 5:57 pm
“I just read over at Seamus O’Reiley’s blog and discovered the answer to my question. (@ 5:13 p.m. today). He states that a “local landscaper” came forward to MCSO with information that TH offered him mucho dinero for a MFH plot. Now, how does that make any sense? Why would the landscaper, whom I think is RS, want to put attention on himself?”
Blinks response;
“Sue, that would be an assumption on Mr. O’Reilly’s part, and an erroneous one. I am a fan of his work, but that is factually inaccurate.”
B
———————————————————————-
Blink on MCSO discovery of the murder for hire plot from;
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/07/04/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-sources-terri-horman-hired-landscape-lover/comment-page-1/#comments
From comment #49 (melissab) on the 1st page of comments (scroll back 7 pages to the first page of comments)
“He did not come forward, he was identified through investigative means…” B
From comment #39 (Tracygirl) on the 4th page of comments
“I believe there are 2 possibilities. I am not going to say which one I subscribe to.
1. Terri broke off a relationship with this dude, backed out and he had the money spent already. He took Kyron for ransom to get her to pay up. Backfire.
2. Terri conspired with landscaper to have Kyron kidnapped, and there is a financial trail for these 2, so due to the fact that Kaine is very much alive, it is easier to place blame for an uncommitted crime and explain the transactions that way. How the Hell would Kaine not know Terri hired a landscaper?
That’s BS. Does he strike you as a guy that does not know what’s going on his yard?
Again Backfire.
Everyone remember when I said this case looked very much like it was being investigated as a ransom and speculated there was a note? Glasses were sent, etc. Even though I believed it was sexually motivated? I still do.” B
From comment #49 (beejay) on page 4th of comments – July 5, 2010
“I believe he spoke because they already knew about it via computer searches, surveillance, etc.
I also believe strongly had the exchange between landscaper and Terri gone the way it was intended, they would both be in jail last Saturday.”
From Comment #8 (Savrin) on page 6 of the comments
“I think most are assuming landscaper would get his own hands dirty, I do not.” B
From Comment #12 (Jackie Bauer) on page 6 of the comments
“I think he may “know a guy” for a small cut.” B
From comment #14 (Zeus) on page 7 of the comments
“I feel very strongly we are going to hear a “I said it in anger, I never thought he would go through with it..” excuse. I cannot decide if I think they co-conspired and something went wrong, or LS took matters into his own hands. Given her 911 call, I am leaning towards #2.
I have always said I believed it was a lifestyle choice that was the catalyst for what happened to Kyron, so there is no such thing as semi-innocense when it ends with harm to a child in any capacity…”
——————————————————————–
From KGW July 6, 2010
The Oregonian first reported the murder-for-hire plot Sunday morning. KGW independently confirmed the report through a reliable source.
The landscaper – whom Terri had hired to do work last November without Kaine’s knowledge – came forward to investigators as they reached out to everyone that they could find who had had contact with the family. While he said he had no intention of carrying out the plot, he did believe that he would be getting something from Terri.
“She led him on,” sources said.
http://www.kgw.com/home/Hormanprobelatest-97771724.html
If I could make a virtual whiteboard in this case… it would be this.. Nicely done.
B
Blink,
There was a small piece on KGW today about the death of Jason Doering. I don’t know how to post link from my iPod, sorry. I notice Merrie Doering is an admin at Missing Kyron Horman. Do you think Jason Doering’s death may be related to this case?
I do have a question…I got a phone once through an electronics business and it was prepaid and I had to give all info of mine because it was the type where you had a prepaid plan and not a minute phone and this was 6 or 7 years ago. Do we know if this was the type of Bat phones they got or did they use a phoney credit/debit card? What type of phone do you do you have to give a name for now a days to purchase one? I have asked around and if it’s a prepaid plan through a national company then you have to show ID. So what do you give only a name for? I guess we’ll find that info about the Bat phones will have been reported incorrectly. This poor little boy! How I would love to have met him and just bear hugged his little self. I bet he is very loving!
@TBZ says: September 4, 2010 at 11:12 pm
“Has anyone read the alternate theory blog.”
@ Blink says: “*not posting link*”
@TBZ says: “I can’t help but wonder who is the writer? Could it be a close friend of TH? MOO”
Maybe it’s just me, but that site is so over the top, it almost seems like parody. It’s so mean-spirited (and inaccurate), it harms the very person it purports to defend (Terri).
Total wild guess here, but there’s something about that blog that is personal, and it seems that whomever churns out that kind of dreck would have to be Terri or one of her friends.
It could also be one of the many, many people who although not personally involved in the investigation, are trying to stir up trouble and inject themselves into the investigation.
@ Yes Newsat5 – it does seem very personal and pure hatred towards Kaine.
http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=128353539140385200
I previously posted a link to a report about gangs in Oregon. I want to share one little article about Portland gangs just to point out the extraordinary work that some people do for little or no pay. I attended these anti-gang task force meetings at the police precinct for years. John Canda and Tonya Dickens are true heroes rarely heard of outside the streets of this city. In spite of all the frustrations that come, the consistent love and respect they show for the young people and families they try to reach and the community they try to help 24/7 – I can’t think of a word strong enough – it’s so powerful and even more amazing when you realize how few resources they are given.
I know from reading all the posts that you are people who will understand the importance of what these people are doing with their lives. Where would we be without people like this in so many communities across the US? What better “Labor” to celebrate than the labor of love!
@nana2
I am your age and until I got this iPhone
I got prepaid when I got tired of the calls from
junk on the LAN phone
I never got much from that. Do Not Call
it never seemed to work for me
glad you got a fun phone
so buying the phones did not seem strange
to me
From this site…
Lazydog1 says:
August 30, 2010 at 3:03 pm
‘There is a child that has gone on record with LE that has said they saw Terri, “hiding downstairs before the bell rang”….’
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/08/26/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-attorneys-call-her-a-suspect/comment-page-8/#comments
—-
From a search I did, I don’t look at this site…
“Supposedly, there is a student who claims to have seen TH hiding by a stair well at the school on the critical date in question.”
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1170793/pg17
—
I’m not trying to spread rumor, but just that neither place say TH was “under” the stairs. This could be separate incidences / students, or not even apply. Maybe it somehow changed into “under” the stairs?
On s monkey some one said Terri had 500 people
on her FB. It seems a lot to me
but out of that many there could easy be some
creeper looking for no good when it was an open
site
I don’t know if it is true but for what it is worth…..
Blink – Then if the “landscaper” did NOT inform MCSO of the MFH plot, then who did? Who came forward with this info? I know that the MFH plot has not been proven, but how did just the notion of it come about and why?
Semantics matter in a case like this.
B
Thinking about what I just wrote, I wasn’t trying to sound like I had the definitive answer to the stairs issue. It was just that the first time I read it (here) I didn’t remember it saying “under”. And of course it could have been said and I didn’t see it.
B – unrelated…sort of. Just not sure how else to reach you…I have a new nanny starting next week and am researching background check companies. Can you KINDLY suggest one? I know that many chap ones are cursory at best. I’m currently looking at Intellius $90 package which will do ssn verif and search last 3 counties she’s lived….please help! Trying not to panic! My email address associated I don’t actually have anymore so I am not sure if you can just post in this thread or if I should update my email with the site so you could reply personally???
If, as a potential domestic employer ( and I assume you have checked your local statutes on that as I am not inclined to give advice on that level-) You have the right to review the background of an applicant.
You review the background of your alleged hire by any basic search, as LONG AS I reconciles the SS# as it belongs to your hire.
That is your jump off point. If that checks out, then references. Still good? Visit the PD where the applicant lives and ask for an endorsement.
Disclaimer: This is a requested recommendation, not legal advice.
B
Cheap not chap, oops.
Cheap not chap…oops. My new email addy embedded. Thx.
Why would anyone use a fake name when buying a Prepaid Cell?? They are everywhere now days & to my knowledge u buy the phone and/or phone card, call the 800 number, punch in the PIN number & it’s ready to go….using a fake name to buy these phones doesn’t make sense to me.
I don’t think this was a disappearance where the person was going to call the parents, but if it was, how would the abductor even know the cell phone number(s) unless it was someone who had called before?
And unless the phone was disconnected on or around June 4, TH is on anywho so she has / had a land line with a published number.
@cbickel
hope this evening finds you feeling better
Tomorrow a friend and I are testing the drive times from Skyline School to FM # 1.
Then off to FM # 2. The time between these two locations has always bothered me. I can’t really figure out why if Terri bought something at 9:12 it was 45 minutes or more later before she ran into AL at FM # 2. It is really only about a 10 min drive taking the slowest possible route. We are not going to take 26, but stay on city streets. Even allowing for time to get Kiara in and out of the truck, there is still a lot of time between these two stops. I think Terri would have about 30 minutes to meet someone or do something, (sit in truck and make a call, drink coffee?) between the two FM’s so we will find out.
After stopping at FM # 2 we are heading back toward the Hormon residential area, Sauvie Island, back onto 30 up to Logie Rd, etc just to see how far and where we can go and get back to 24 Hour Fitness to check in by 11:39.
We are also going to check out Westwind Farm Studio and the drive times to the Freddies and Skyline area AND to the road “down the hill” from the school to the road where Jim Kelley reported he and neighbors noticed a white truck driven by a woman at 3:00PM and again in the wee hours of the next morning.
And, we are taking two cheap prepaid cell phones to see if they have service in the area of the Hormon home. It has been a mystery to me why TH and friends would buy prepaid phones that you had to give information for if they were genius criminals. There are tons of prepaids available that no personal information is necessary at the time of purchase. Some really suck, but some are decent phones. We are taking a crappy one and a decent one. (and our own phones in case we need to make a call!)
I recall talk of an Albertsons early on. Did Terri go to Albertsons as well and if so, is this confirmed?
S
we look forward to your findings, I would simply ask what I am sure you already know- do not go onto private property without permission, etc.
B
Thanks, B!
Just my thoughts (MOO) regarding the LS:
IIRC, there was a post on SM that said Anselmo Sanchez Sanchez was already in jail for a period of time when he was arrested by the Feds and transferred to a Federal detention center on June 8. If this is correct, as Blink has said he could not have snatched Kyron, as he would have been incarcerated on June 4. So, one down.
Now on to Rudy S. IIRC he was part of the failed MFH sting, as he was the one TH allegedly approached to make Kaine disappear. So, he’s out as a suspect in Kyron’s disappearance as well, correct?
I mean, what kind of LE would wire a witness (RudyS) for a MFH sting if they had any suspicion whatsoever that Rudy may also have been involved in Kyron’s disappearance? Hmmm…let’s see. How could he EVER be considered a credible witness for the prosecution under those circumstances? To me, that makes no sense whatsoever. So, IMHO, he’s out as well.
Who does that leave? Who could have helped TH? WHO??
Could it be possible that some other person on the periphery of Kyron’s life decided to take him?
Could it be that TH is not involved at all? Gosh, wouldn’t that take everyone’s breath away at this point? My gut tells me she knows more than she’s shared with LE, but WHAT does she know? And does she know enough to bring Kyron home?
As usual, it is late, and this case is bugging the heck out of me. I don’t know why, but it seems to hit me hardest after dark. I keep thinking of that beautiful little boy out there somewhere in the dark with the colder weather approaching and no one to keep him safe and warm. God help him.
Kyron, please come home.
@ Madilu says:
September 5, 2010 at 2:38 pm
I kind of wondered if Fox News was credible, I don’t watch them but found the link on another site. I do think it is possible that is how the idea the phones were purchased on the 4th came out. I haven’t seen any thing else about it. Thanks.
TBZ says:
September 5, 2010 at 9:38 pm
@TBZ says: September 4, 2010 at 11:12 pm
“Has anyone read the alternate theory blog.”
@ Blink says: “*not posting link*”
@TBZ says: “I can’t help but wonder who is the writer? Could it be a close friend of TH? MOO”
Maybe it’s just me, but that site is so over the top, it almost seems like parody. It’s so mean-spirited (and inaccurate), it harms the very person it purports to defend (Terri).
Total wild guess here, but there’s something about that blog that is personal, and it seems that whomever churns out that kind of dreck would have to be Terri or one of her friends.
It could also be one of the many, many people who although not personally involved in the investigation, are trying to stir up trouble and inject themselves into the investigation.
@ Yes Newsat5 – it does seem very personal and pure hatred towards Kaine.
———————————————————————-
I used to follow the comments at OregonLive.com before I found this site. I rarely commented there as quite a few there attack each other and get very off topic. The person who started the Alternate Theories blog, was a prolific commenter there. Initially she posted hundreds of comments attacking Terri. Then rather abruptly she began to intensely attack Kaine. From the content of her comments there the impression I formed is that she is an emotionally wounded person whose personal issues are interfering with her thought processes. I think her blog is not worth reading, but I feel kind of sad for her. MOO!
18.beejay says:
September 5, 2010 at 7:51 pm
@GraceintheHills and/or anyone else who can help me:
I’m lost as to how much info. LE would normally be giving to parents (like KH-DY-TY) at this point in the investigation, and up till now. I think maybe I overestimated how much LE has actually told them.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hi Beejay, I think, in general, LE is very careful about what information they release to the families of victims during an ongoing investigation. Obviously, families crave information, and information helps assuage some of their anxiety. I think for most detectives it can be an awkward balancing act with the interests of the family on one end, and the integrity of the case they are building on the other. Many families are so distraught that they may be unable to contain themselves during interviews and may inadvertently release information that may compromise the investigation. I have heard families say that LE was very tight-lipped with them during the investigation, and they only learned the details of the crime when the perpetrator was put on trial.
Now, this doesn’t stop the family from “reading between the lines” when they talk with the detectives, nor does it stop some detectives from “leaking” little bits of info to the families. Some detectives brief the family at intervals, others shy away from doing this. All the detectives that I know are very driven and compassionate people who really empathize with the victims and their families, and when they can’t release info, they are there to reassure the family that the case is still first and foremost in their minds.
In this case, I suspect that it was TH herself that spilled a lot of the beans to Kaine and Desiree. As Kaine has said, TH has a tendency to talk, and I suspect when she is anxious she talks even more. He said in one interview that she spoke openly to him and Desiree about “failing” the poly. He also mentioned that she started pulling away from them in the early days of the investigation. Kaine and Desiree also likely gained info by analyzing LE’s actions (e.g. when they passed those “telltale” flyers out with TH, then TH and DDS’s pics on them). So, as you can tell, Kaine’s and Desiree’s “knowledge” of this case is coming from many sources, and, IMO, is likely valid.
Hope this helped to answer your question. By the way, I really enjoy reading your posts…very intelligent with such interesting perspectives!
beejay says:
September 5, 2010 at 7:51 pm
@GraceintheHills and/or anyone else who can help me:
At one of the KH-DY pressers not long ago I heard KH say something to the effect that LE can’t tell them much for fear that they’ll accidentally let it out. That really took me aback. Yeah, he’s right about that part. And again, he’ll say “based on briefings”; I don’t know if he’s just trying to buttress his point or if his statements did come from LE. Recently I saw him carefully point out that things he and DY said were their own feelings (i.e., not LE info.).
——————————
I didn’t go back to the video – there are so many now, but I believe what Kaine said was that LE does not give them a lot of information now because LE does not want to put them in the position of having to lie. I think he and Desiree feel LE trusts them, but does not want to add to their burden. I do believe they got a lot more information early on, but then LE was also there presenting the information they wanted to release back then.
IMO, there comes a point where you don’t want victims to be drawing their own conclusions from bits and pieces of the kinds and amounts of evidence available in this case, and it is also true that they could slip up and say something LE does not want known at this time.
Courts have said LE may give out false information as an investigative tool. If they give information directly to Kaine and Desiree and it needs to be false information for some particular purpose, and they share it, it would be like using THEM as an investigative tool without their knowledge or permission – unethical, IMO. And if that were discovered later, it could really mess with the media’s willingness to do interviews, etc.
I suspect if we lined up every video and watched them all in a row, we could guess the approximate date when information from LE stopped or significantly slowed to a crawl. I don’t believe we will get anymore facts from family – maybe some conclusion they have come to while they have been connecting dots, at the most. If there is something to announce, we will hear from LE, or attorneys maybe.
I do think some members of the media may have a little information we don’t – it seems that there should be a lot of investigative reporting going on that either isn’t happening or is being prepared and filed for later. The silence about certain people, for example, is deafening, and it appears there really ought to be some new name(s) coming up if everybody else has been ruled out on June 4th except TH, RS, and DeDe.
For a case where everyone said LE was really using the media, it seems rather quiet.
Hejlena says:
September 5, 2010 at 9:15 pm
Blink,
There was a small piece on KGW today about the death of Jason Doering. I don’t know how to post link from my iPod, sorry. I notice Merrie Doering is an admin at Missing Kyron Horman. Do you think Jason Doering’s death may be related to this case?
—————————————————
From the KGW article of Sept 5, 2010:
A man died Sunday morning after police said he suffered a head injury in southeast Portland.
Portland Police said they found Jason Doering, 39, at about 4 a.m. near SE 84th Ave. & Foster Rd. suffering from an apparent head injury. He died later at the hospital, and an autopsy revealed that the cause of death was trauma to the head.
Police encourage anyone with information about Doering’s activities from Saturday evening to Sunday morning to call Det. Rico Beniga at 503-823-0457.
http://www.kgw.com/home/Man-dies-after-head-injury-in-SE-Portland-102256359.html
To: TBZ, Pondering, Newsat5, and others regarding the Alt Theory site. Agree with your views. Only read on the site briefly, however one thing stuck out to me which I thought was odd.
There was mention of the moving of Kyron’s Wall of Hope. The writer is obvious about her feelings for Kaine, but I was surprised to read the comment as the wall being Kyron’s “Shrine”. It came across to me as the writer was not only Anti-Kaine, but Anti-Kyron as well.
I thought that was enlightening in that whoever the writer is, writes for their perceived audience, and sounded to ME as if the writer was making fun of, being sarcastic, acting jealous of the attention on Kyron.
beejay says:
September 5, 2010 at 8:02 pm
@Idahogal: When LE came to your school, as a child, had there already been more than one murder?
Hey beejay! The first victim was found on my grandma’s street, several blocks down from her address, in La Crescenta. LE didn’t know they had a serial killer(s) (plural because it turned out to be 2 cousins doing the crimes together) on their hands until more victims were found. IIRC they started going to the schools for these assemblies after the fourth one.
You may be right that LE doesn’t know at this point what they may need to warn the public about, but I sure hope that isn’t the case. I hope that LE knows so much more than we realize and therefore they have no reason to believe there is a threat to other children and that this is indeed an “isolated incident”. I did talk to a local cop about this awhile back and expressed my concerns. He assured me that indeed LE knows a lot and that he does not believe there is a threat to the public in relation to this case. I didn’t tell him anything about what I’ve learned here at BOC, I just approached it as a parent what has only learned what the media and LE have put forth. My child is autistic and requires constant supervision, which is a big part of the reason I am always on “high alert”, especially when he is at school and I’m not the one doing the watching. It is emotionally and physically exhausting at times.
I have to say, if it weren’t for BOC I would be a lot more upset and frightened, because LE has basically told the public “not to worry” but there have been no POIs named or arrests made by them. They’ve just let the media and Ky’s parents do most of the “talking”. I know they are doing their job and I totally respect that and them, but I’m not the only parent up here that is nervous and frustrated at this point.