Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Attorneys Call Her A Suspect
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In court papers filed Wednesday, Bunch went further, noting that Terri Horman is a “de facto suspect” in the second-grader’s disappearance…”
Portland, OR- In a voluntary appearance in court yesterday for matters relating to the pending divorce motion by estranged husband Kaine; Terri Horman showed her face for the first time since the week after her stepson, Kyron, vanished from Skyline School.
Although Kaine Horman opted to be represented by his counsel Laura Rackner and not appear personally to protect himself emotionally, according to Rackner, Terri Horman braved the fray.
Arriving with attorneys Peter Bunch and Stephen Houze, the trio was immediately met and escorted by MCSO deputies in “the box” formation to the 5th floor courtroom where local media scurried in from behind. Within 45 minutes, Judge Meisenheimer ruled in Kaine Horman’s favor and granted his request that the issues of the mortgage-sized retainer, allegedly furnished by Terri to Houze and other distribution and custody issues will be heard in a hearing on October 7, denying her request to have the issues bifurcated.
During the proceeding, Bunch argued that his Client cannot properly litigate the divorce and custody actions currently because she is.”..unable to proceed in the ordinary course to protect her rights as to discovery, property division, support and, particularly, custody and parenting time issues.”
In fact, for the first time publicly, we learn a very important detail about the criminal investigation into Kyron Horman’s disappearance.
According to her counsel, who would certainly be “in the know”, Terri Horman has NOT been named a suspect by MCSO in Kyron’s case, but she is painfully aware she is one.
Loosely translated, a defacto suspect is an unofficially declared suspect, but for all intents and purposes is definitely the target of the investigative crosshairs.
The Microsaccade Moment
Microsaccades are tiny involuntary movements of the eye generally caused by visual fixation. The result on visual perception can cause the beholder to question if they are “really seeing what they are seeing.”
I had a few of those yesterday while analyzing footage of the day’s events in conjunction with known facts of this case.
They Are:
The MCSO guard detail dispatched at the courthouse assigned to Terri and counsel et al for a family court appearance. I have spoken with a few local family lawyers who do not wish to be identified, with a combined 26 years of practice. None have ever seen this practice in a similar matter in Multnomah County. Specifically, the deputies went inside the actual hearing and waited to escort the trio out the back.
During the hearing, there was not a syllable mentioned about the driving force behind the request for expedition of the case in the first place. The very substantive weight that was used to secure an emergency custody and restraining order, which remains uncontested to date: The Alleged Murder for Hire Plot. Why wouldn’t a family lawyer looking to abate the divorce case strike at the very merits on which the plaintiff’s arguments are based? The plaintiff in this case uses an almost one year old mfh plot allegation, which was not carried out, and no person has been declared a suspect or arrested, to control every filing to date and counsel does not refute the claims therein? What possible reason could that be?
A recent interview with Terri Horman’s son James, in which he states that his Mother cannot have a computer, cell phone, or leave her parents home in Roseburg.
Blink Analysis Editorial: Sealed Criminal Indictment OR Civil Commitment?
A Civil commitment, which would have had to been voluntary, such as a concern for Ms. Horman injuring herself, or some sort of dependency is a possibility, but a highly unlikely one considering she appeared in court yesterday.
Strictly my opinion of course, but based on my microsaccades, I think it is entirely possible that Terri Horman is under a pre-arrest indictment in the matter of the alleged murder for hire plot, or some derivative thereof.
It would certainly be unlikely that she could have been booked and granted bail without a leak, but a sealed indictment, which may or may not include a sealed arrest warrant, would follow Oregon’s propensity to use the grand jury as a form of “preliminary hearing.” In light of the fact that there is an ongoing criminal investigation into Kyron’s disappearance involving Federal, county and State investigative assets, it would be entirely appropriate.
The public would not know until such time as the indictment and any potentially attached writs are unsealed. Throw in the possibility there is always the chance that Clackamas County may be the charging county for such an offense and not Multnomah.
In which case, this is about to get very interesting. Recall MCSO chief Dan Staton saying Clackamas County Major Crimes Team is involved in the case? That would suggest at least part of a crime has been established in their jurisdiction. Rudy Sanchez resides in Clackamas County.
Clackamas County District Attorney John Foote and Criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze are well acquainted. You might say that Foote owes his very job to Houze in a way-
John Foote lost as the incumbent DA in 1996 to his own deputy district attorney Terese “Terry” Gustafson. Terry was in the middle of fighting an Oregon Bar complaint at the time which cleared her name just days before the inauguration.
The embattled DA did not take long to be the subject of more ethics violations including felony perjury charges for lying to a circuit judge about releasing the file of a juvenile that was ordered to be destroyed. Gustafson was disbarred.
Who filed the Bar complaint who also represented the accused boy who was subsequently acquitted?
Who was the prosecuting attorney for the Oregon Bar?
Stephen Houze.
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sjso says:
September 8, 2010 at 1:09 am
Also, If Landscaper told Terri NO on the MFH plot, why did he still think “she owed him something?”
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maybe LS expected to get paid for introducing Terri to the person who would commit MFH.
Thanks to everyone who corrected me on the meeting time with AL. It makes my theory that TH could have picked DeDe up between FM stops poop, but my driving the area changed my mind on whether she could have picked DeDe up before the first FM stop and I firmly believe she could have. But as someone else pointed out, you sure could not walk around on Old Germantown Rd without being seen. And, a special thanks for showing me another opinion on what would a better drive, 26 or city streets. I understand some hate stop lights as much as I hate 26 in the morning!
salbelle says:
September 7, 2010 at 12:29 pm
S Perhaps the foliage was not so high in June. It had all summer to grow. Thanks for all your work.
Excellent point! My friend and I discussed this possibility last night and in June it would have been really difficult to sneak and hide, but you still could not see the buildings or whatever area they were gardening in from Old Germantown Rd since the timber is so thick right there. This also brought to our minds just how wet someone would get slogging through the woods that day.
jackiesgirl says:
September 7, 2010 at 6:37 pm
@S – My compliments to you on your sleuth work. I haven’t read all the posts so apologize in advance if someone already mentioned this, and certainly not to challenge your drive times, but on June 4th, the 1st Fred Meyer (on Imbrie Dr.) was being remodeled. The Starbucks coffee bar and OTC pain reliever aisle were not in the same place that they are now. It probably doesn’t make one dang bit of difference, but I couldn’t not mention it!
Wow, thanks, it could be very important, especially if you knew the store well before the remodel began AND some of the normal surveillance cameras may have been out of commission that day.
Have enjoyed learning so much from this website. Am obsessed with finding Kyron. Have tried and tried to embrace these theories. With the facts available the theories just get worse and worse.
Today I went another direction in my thoughts. The sketch of the attacker in the park looks very much like the guy cutting the grass at Skyline that date. I hope the LE in this case checks to see if anyone from the city was mowing the grass at the park the day the boy was assaulted.
As to the feds and TH and DD not talking. What if they were involved in something else than harming Kyron. Maybe they were busy growing pot and the LS was the person they were selling to and LS is linked to the Mexican drug cartel.
If a comment is submitted and not shown in moderation, is it “lost”?
Yes, it means it did not post, I recommend you copy your post before submitting
B
CassieS says:
September 8, 2010 at 2:43 pm
@ twinkltoes
Just googled “cool electric one” could pertain to a cool electric car,(does someone at Skyline drive a cool electric car?) ~motor~ or cool electric guitar~ Just thinking again ~so Dave the GK used to be a musician? just a couple of random thoughts
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Tagging on to the thought of “cool electric one” meaning an electric car …. could this be the witness/car LE was asking about parked on lot on June 4th? Could this be the reason Kyron went outside (if LE has verified that lead, as Kaine mentioned).
@Karey says:
September 8, 2010 at 3:38 pm
29.zinnia says:
September 7, 2010 at 12:21 pm
” I cannot imagine that this is the work of dummies. I think that whoever did this is very intelligent and also very evil.
I suppose there are different kinds of intelligence, like intellect and emotional intelligence. And I hate to think about the existence of evil in our world, yet the different cases discussed here at Blink on Crime sure do seem to make a case for it.”
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@Zinnia: I have to agree with both you and TJ because there are definitely different kinds of “smarts.” I do believe that TMH thinks she is super intelligent and is proving it by outsmarting LE. I am reminded of a teenage girl with profound mental retardation in a school where I once worked. The girl would get of her seat and hit other students in the classroom who were unable to defend themselves. The teachers, behavior management staff, the principal and even maintenance staff tried various measures to keep this in her seat, but everything failed.
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Too curious. what did you eventually do to solve the problem?
@Gypsy DD says:
September 8, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Dear Blink,
I have been reading here and searching the web and I can’t quite wrap my mind around a theory that does encompass everything that has been submitted for our inspection to date.
For those not quite up on their vampire lore..a vampire can knock at your door, but they have very refined manners…they can not come into your home without your inviting them to cross the threshold.
Seems Terri had no problem doing that with this particular vampire.
Why…because she wanted Kaine murdered, she backed off…and the vampires paid another visit and said …we need something for our time and trouble. She figured they would eventually go away. They did not..thus kidnapping Kyron came into play._______________________________________
I completely agree, and with twink and B. Scary as ****.
@rmack – I agree that the Dr. appt. and all other things you listed don’t make it look like TH was unaware that this would be happening on that day.
Maybe she got herself in deep owing the MFH guys (or someone else) money and couldn’t pay. Possible she backed out of MFH and they still wanted money. Told her that if you don’t pay us still, we go to the cops and tell them you’re looking to off your husband. There was no way to get them the money without Kaine knowing so a kidnap/ransom plot was developed by her. She lays the groundwork for the plan, they execute the plan, Kaine pays, bad guys get their money. Kyron comes home safe. Only that last part didn’t happen. MOO-but there was something in her eyes at that first press conference that looked more like fear saying “Holy #@#! what have I gotten into.” Of course, all is MOO.
Happy Birthday, Kyron!!
I hope and pray you are safe and can celebrate your birthday very soon.
You are dearly missed by many!
3.christy says:
September 8, 2010 at 7:19 pm
B says:
For those not quite up on their vampire lore..a vampire can knock at your door, but they have very refined manners…they can not come into your home without your inviting them to cross the threshold.
Seems Terri had no problem doing that with this particular vampire.
Why…because she wanted Kaine murdered, she backed off…and the vampires paid another visit and said …we need something for our time and trouble. She figured they would eventually go away. They did not..thus kidnapping Kyron came into play.
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If they kidnapped Kyron, to what end were they trying achieve? Were they looking for the money she owed, ie through ransom? Or were they just out to hurt little kyron? Is it the notoriety/street rep that they are looking for? There are many possibilities, but the only one that I see as beneicial to the bad guys is wanting the ransom money…but God knows, ransom demands never work out well.
I think one has to ponder what Terri’s motivations were that brought about Ky’s disappearance. Her behaviour after he went missing speaks volumes. This woman has ice in her veins. She not only let the vampires in she solicited them to carry out this crime. Probably her one regret is she hasn’t quite gotten away with it….yet! We’d better hope LE comes up with some substantial evidence to put her and her nest of bats behind bars. If there is/was a ransom note it probably came from her to throw off investigators. I think she sold him.
Thank you BLINK
this vampire thing is what I really believe happened
now the vampire can bring him back any time !!
Is Terri smart or dumb. I think the answer is she likes a high risk
lifestyle moo
I am in agreement with the theories of Kyron being kidnapped for ransom money which would have been payment for MFH. I think Terri thought Kyron would be returned and that is why she was not worried about him for the first few days i.e. “hitting the gym” and enjoying sleeping on clean sheets, etc. I just remembered that the first presser was something like 10 days after he went missing and by then she looked scared as $hit. I think the sexting to Michael Cook was just her using sex to get a man to do her bidding and stand by her during a very scary time. It appears that either the ransom was not paid or it was paid but Kyron was still not returned as she had thought. Here’s what I don’t understand…they know that LS is involved so why can’t they get the story out of him? If he was willing to participate in the sting, LE must have something on him. Why then can’t they continue to pressure him to find out where Kyron is?
To LPB
Ransom demands seldom work out..but Terri may have thought that was the game. Yet..with the sting..she really was not going to play the game.
I think that is worth many pondering thoughts at this point. If your stepson is missing, and one of the vampires approaches..then in and of itself ..you are saying..don’t speak to me of these things. That means to me..Kyron was already dead in her own understanding. Otherwise..she would have entertained the idea of cash for Kyron. Of course I am believing that the sting included Kyron, not just Kaine.
I feel that once in their company..the vampires had other ideas for Kyron. Children bring quite a bit of money on the black market. I will say no more because it is too sad and too unspeakable to think of Kyron in that situation.
Not sure I phrased this right..hoping I did.
Question:
If Terri is only involved as the one who let the vampire in,
why can’t LE make vampire talk??????? I think the vampire is
LS/Rudy because Blink has said many, many times that LS is KEY.
So, if he is the Vampire, he knows where Kyron is, right?
If Terri is only guilty of letting the vampire in and has no information
about Kyron’s location why doesn’t she want to share EVERYTHING
she knows with LE? If she only let the vampire in, why isn’t she
doing everything in her power to bring Kyron home???
A lot of us have associated with the wrong crowd in our lives so
I do not understand her not divulging every last detail to LE just because of
her association with RS.
This is why I just do not understand how she can be guilty of
ONLY letting the VAMPIRE in.
Look what she has lost by not cooperating, her husband and daughter.
WHO knows where Kyron is??? Is it RS/Landscaper??
I am very frustrated as you can tell….
I have been trying to catch up on reading the posts.. and I just want to say that I am floored with how much new insight there is. News@5, Idahogal, Satori, S, CBickel, and so many many more that post on here on a regular basis, I just want to say THANK YOU! Thank you for really keeping Kyron’s case close to your heart.
I think my emotions about Kyron most resemble what Idahogal has expressed. Too many times breaking down into tears over this little guy. All in all, my prayers are with him wherever he might be. And tomorrow being his birthday… I’m sad. My heart goes out to his parents, Kaine and Desiree. Because no matter if, how or what TH is responsible for Kyron’s disappearance.. there is nobody hurting more here than Kyron and his mom and dad.
I’m sure there are many people like me that do not post often, but certainly look forward to and appreciate the time and input that the regular posters here do.
Let’s keep hope alive for Kyron everybody. Tomorrow is the little guy’s birthday and I’m sure in our hearts we will all be wishing this special little guy a happy birthday wherever he is. I know miracles may not have a logical explanation… but sometimes they do happen. I’m praying for a miracle for Kyron to be found safe.
Kyron, you are in the hearts of many, always. God be with you.
Neighbor-
“You’ve got mail.”
B
Idahogirl, thank you for crying with me, as I think that maybe sometimes the scientific-minded of us forget:
An entire summer is gone now for Kyron, where he did not get to
stay up later and sleep in later
go camping with his family
go fishing with his brothers or dads
go swimming at every chance
play outside with Kiara
have a barbecue on Labor Day
plan for his birthday party and what he’d like for
his sweet little 8th birthday-cake, presents, party
(my son turned 8 this summer)
to ride his bike and have friends over
my heart just aches for sweet little Kyron.
Ooh I like Malty’s question – September 8, 2010 at 8:32 pm “Is TH smart or dumb”
If I may take a shot at answering that too. I think she may be smart, but her unchecked ego is in control. This can make one do some not so smart things. I believe it was Ghandi who said “knowledge without character will destroy us.”
Malty:
Is the red squirrel smart, or dumb?
As others have stated, kidnap ransoms don’t tend to go well; and I’d add here, especially once LE is involved.
I wonder if Terri didn’t expect a ransom note before the end of the school day; expecting the note (and glasses?) to already be at home when she arrived at 1:15. That would have given her a chance to try to talk Kaine into paying ransom without LE’s involvement.
Since, in fact, the first sign of Kyron’s disappearance was when he didn’t get off the bus, the school was contacted immediately and the school secretary then knew of it. This necessitated notifcation of LE.
Terri’s dumbfound moment when Desiree said she and Tony were coming to Portland that evening, may be a reflection of Terri’s increasing fear as more and more key people were informed of the missing Kyron.
I personally believe that Terri is not simply a manipulator; she is grandiose in her confidence of her manipulative powers. But even she realizes that while she might successfilly manipulate Kaine; it’s too much to try to manipulate Kaine + Desiree + Tony + the school administraters + LE. And as it turns out, in this case, LE + LE + LE…
Blink! You are right here on it- which is it? is TH dumb? Or brilliant?
Neither. Scared to death with good reason. There is NO WAY this does not end badly for her, regardless.
B
@ Emmy
Addicted to adrenaline is another term I would
use for Terri moo
your post was very good
My daughter-in-law’s birthday tomorrow (love her to pieces) Happy Birhtday, Jen <3 Happy Birthday Kyron ~love you too <3
oops Birthday
Amazing, but sadly, the unhealthy mind can also be super intelligent in its own way through manipulation~seeing things differently than the norm so as a result reacts & interacts with things & people differently than the norm while achieving an unwholesome result..MOO
So help me understand… Do you think she was “in” on having ky kidnapped in order to get Kaine to help pay for the MFH gone bad? Or do you think she was blindsided? Do you think the mix up with doctors Appt was an honest mistake? Blink, are your inside sources giving you any indications that they are getting close to solving this? On another note, any new developments to help the Harringtons?
I think she is ultimately responsible, but i think she was blindsided, I don’t know how many different ways I can say that.
No, my contacts and sources are not indicating a quick resolution, to the contrary.
The Harrington’s are very much in step with this investigation as they have been from the beginning.
B
36.Annals says:
September 8, 2010 at 2:40 pm
Just here to post a link to the article/video of the schools’ groundskeeper, Dave. The link below is the Aug 13 version which contains a timeline correction. And the 2nd link doen is the longer, original article of Aug 12.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100663409.html
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100582364.html
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Just my 2cents worth. I think the sketch’s are very similar, as far as sketch’s go. I wish he didnt change his story. Note where investigator’s state they are glad they got to speak with him. Hmm, something to ponder.
Right after he came to our attention, I posted the website he has re his music. Easily found under his name. I know at the time, I thought it interesting he remarked on a trip to Mexico. I guess I’ll MOO too.
@Annals,
Very interesting. I took your quote below as first meaning that If Terri orchestrated all of this, including a kidnapping with ranson, perhaps she really did not think anyone else would be involved and that Kaine would pay up. And perhaps pay up for his own hit.
And then I read it again and interpreted it entirely different as in Terri realized she was in deep with the wrong crowd and knew Kyron would be taken. Hence, anticipating a ransom letter, etc. And of course, hoping to have Kaine take care of it ASAP, with no connection to any future hit on Kaine. Simply payment for a change in plans.
I hope this made sense. MOO.
Annals says:
September 8, 2010 at 10:05 pm
I wonder if Terri didn’t expect a ransom note before the end of the school day; expecting the note (and glasses?) to already be at home when she arrived at 1:15. That would have given her a chance to try to talk Kaine into paying ransom without LE’s involvement.
snapoutofit says:
July 4, 2010 at 1:38 pm
Two things:
I don’t understand the comments from some posters about Kaine’s “Control Freak” behavior. What is the basis of those comments? Seriously. Don’t get that one.
I’m following the hunch that Kyron is being held somewhere by the person(s) SM hired to abduct Kyron from school…and yes, I agree with Blink that that person is someone Kaine & Terri both know. I’m curious to know more about Kyron’s glasses found in the Horman’s mailbox with a note…or is that just speculation? ah, sorry for the pun.
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While getting my mail today, I remembered that someone had brought up the scenario of Kyron’s glasses possibly being found in the Horman’s mailbox. Has anyone confirmed this? Do we have anymore information?
OMG Vampire scenario seems to click with me too.
A few rumors early on said the photo LE posted of the “look-alike” glasses were actually Kyron’s. Could the vampire have mailed them as his proof of having Kyron? Is this why KY, Kaine and LE keep saying he is alive? Did LE post the picture to let the Vampire know they’d been received?
If vampire scenario is how it went down, then I believe Terri invited him in…However, IMO Terri’s involvement took place behind the scene. Terri, with Kyron, parked her truck at school, in spot A, and they both walked into school together. Terri tours a few exhibits with Kyron, takes pictures etc. She then tells Kyron to go look at the cool electrical exhibit downstairs and says she’ll catch up with him in a few minutes. Terri then hurries to move her truck round to parking spot B, and then quickly returns into the school. Meanwhile, Vampire’s assistant pulls his white truck into parking spot A and waits.. Terri finds Kyron and tells him she forgot about the Dr. Appt. She tells him to meet her out at the truck in a few minutes because she has to go tell his teacher about the appt., which she does. Terri then returns to parking spot B and quickly leaves the school. Kyron walks out to parking spot A, where Terri had originally parked, (this is when he is spotted outside the school -by witnesses -near a white truck with a man inside it).. The man (possibly known to Kyron) says “hop in, your step mom will be here in a couple of minutes.” Kyron hops in and the vampire assistant takes off.
This works with the ransom scenario, because Kyron would not have necessarily known Terri was involved. Therefore he would not have been able to connect her with the plot later to LE.
Terri drives around because she wants to be seen by people she knows that can attest to it.. scared to go home?
Only problem is… why wasn’t he returned? Dots still can’t be connected… puzzle pieces still needed.
Are we getting close though? Love it here Blink!
Annals I think you’re on to something when you say Terri thought they could handle the ranson situation without involving LE. I remember Kaine saying that she lagged behind him and Kiara when they walked to the bus stop to pick up Kyron and that he had to put on Kiara’s shoes. I don’t think she was wanted him to be there when Kyron didn’t get off the bus. If it had been her alone I don’t believe either the school or LE would have been called. I think she would have taken her sweet time getting back home so there would be ample time for a ransom note to be delivered with Kyron’s glasses. Then she would talk Kaine into just paying it asap and not involving LE because that might put Kyron’s life in danger. I wonder what their plan was to deliver the money. Maybe that’s what the woman in the truck on the cul-de-sac was all about. Maybe Dede was enlisted for this job and thought she was doing a good thing. I think the calling of LE and the school was where the whole plan began to fall apart. Once the bad guys knew LE was involved, they decided to keep Kyron and run. This all speculation on my part, of course.
@ S,
Thank you for the very interesting findings. That took some doing.
The thing is there are women, if they had a secure
home and could stay home with the kids
they would so happy. I think Terri really tried
but that it just was not her thing
then Kaine hurt her and the old
adrenaline high kicked in
and bad company bad ideas sad mistakes
moo
I have been a daily reader here since the second week. I remember when Blink posted the information about Anselmo being in jail, I believe in federal custody. He is an illegal. He is now in Sheridan Federal Prison which my understanding generally is for white collar crime from out of state. I know there is or was one person in there that has murdered family members that was very public many years ago. I can’t consider that a white collar crime. I don’t know how one finds a list of who is in there. Perhaps Rudy is there also if Anselmo is there. Is LE is holding Anselmo in relationship to Kyron’s disappearance? There is a connection.
My point is I have to think Anselmo could be the landscaper Blink keeps referring to. He had Kyron passed to him by Rudy and as a result neither Terri or Rudy know what happened to him. It is unclear to me if Anselmo was a landscaper. The only thing that stands out to me is that BLINK brought him to our attention for a good reason.
Apparently there are parallel crimes going on here one caused by Terri and in investigating her more things were discovered.
Personally I don’t care about the other crimes. I want Kyron back with his parents. I so wish that will happen but don’t think it will.
I can’t envision a ransom here because I can’t envision Terri having any money. I think any money she got from Kaine she used on herself. I can’t believe she would have saved it somewhere.
I agree with blink Terri is one scared person. When she appeared on TV the very first time the look on her face was “What have I done?” The whole world could see it.
What I would like to know is what is so VERY BAD out there that Terri is willing to go through everything she is not to reveal anything. That speaks volumes. I can’t imagine anyone keeping so quiet for so long.
Then again if she and Rudy and perhaps Anselmo did cooperate what is so VERY BIG that they got involved in that is taking so long to resolve? It feels like something is still going on. How many different strands are there to this? This is taking such a toll on the family and everyone concerned.
Is the GJ still going on? What was the estimate date that it was to be over as announced by the judge last month?
I want to know about Anselmo.
Birthday wishes to Kyron. Thoughts and prayers to his family members.
I too am a Blinkaholic.
Anselmo flagrante delicto coming up
B
Nic says: September 7, 2010 at 12:36 pm
“@newsatfive – Here is an interesting piece that I just discovered this morning in responding to news@five’s request for more info. Both Steve Moulton and his wife Jessica Van Dyke Moulton live in Portland (view their facebook pages for reference). Jessica only indicates that she has a mother named Joni. Here is where it gets weird..when scrolling through the friend’s section for Joni, her friends then link to a JAMES DOERING who was mentioned in recent postings as being killed only a few days ago and his wife is involved with the Kyron Horman online pages. BLINK – Is there such a thing as a COINCIDENCE is this case”
Jessica’s Facebook has a lot more information than that. She’s a kid in her late teens or early 20s, and so is her husband. Her mother has the last name Van Dyke. I cannot find any relationship between Jessica nor her mother and the person you suppose she might be related to, nor can I find any relationship between Steve Moulton and Terri Moulton.
Nic says: September 7, 2010 at 12:36 pm
“I noticed that Blink had indicated a HE (male) suspect and cannot separate myself from the horrible thought that this involves sexual abuse of some nature as there was a lot of references made early on about Timur Vandykes. One other question that was never answered was if there was any relation of Steve Moulton and Terri Moulton as he lives in Portland and shows as being married to a young lady with the last name of ‘Vandyke’ (no ‘s’) as in Timur’s name.”
If I’m not mistaken, Merrie Doering was an admin on the Facebook page called “Missing Kyron Horman.”
The fact that Terri was raised an only child has been discussed at length on this site, so I’m not sure how there would be any relationship between Steve Moulton (the young guy married to Jessica) and Terri Moulton.
I can’t find anything that connects Timur Van Dykes to any of these people.
Not to pick on you (or anyone else), but please don’t assume that someone is related just because they have a similar or same last name. In this case, you are talking about two people in their early 20s who really do not need to be hassled by a bunch of people.
Sometimes things really are a coincidence: I like the Beatles. Charles Manson liked the Beatles. He’s a serial killer, and I’m not. So, there you go.
Take it a step further: There’s a guy I sat next to in undergrad with the same last name but with an “s” added. He even lived in the same small town where some of my relatives lived. We were not related, and not so much as cousins a million times removed
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Cherylynne says: September 7, 2010 at 11:27 pm
“ps I think Terri wants to talk but has been threatened if she does talk. As in afraid for her life & her own family..its the way she acts & how she seems to have that look on her face that screams ‘help!’”
In looking at the press conference photos, what I see was the look of a woman who looks like she has cried until her face went puffy and doesn’t believe that she has a friend in the world. The look on her face reminds me of a child trying desperately to get back in his/her parent’s good graces after getting in some serious trouble. It’s like the kid who let his buddies have a party at the house, and one of his friends broke his mom’s favorite vase. It may not be the kid’s fault the vase was broken per se, but the kid let his buddies in the house, and that’s how the vase got broken.
I don’t think that facial expression means Terri knows anything other than something she did probably brought this on her family.
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Kaylee says: September 8, 2010 at 11:13 am
“And what about this next part from the press conference and subsequent flyer? THE FOURTH FOCUS SEEKS THE IDENTITY OF A WITNESS WHO PARKED THEIR VEHICLE ON JUNE 4. BEFORE 8:45 AM ON JUNE 4TH IN THE SKYLINE SCHOOL PARKING LOT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE LOT (SEE PHOTO ON FOLLOWING PAGE)—IF YOU PARKED YOUR VEHICLE IN THAT DESCRIBED AREA PLEASE CONTACT LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH YOUR NAME, PHONE NUMBER, THE YEAR, MAKE & MODEL, COLOR, AND LICENSE PLATE NUMBER OF THE VEHICLE PARKED IN THE SCHOOL LOT.
“It doesn’t say ‘any witnesses’ but ‘a witness’. It is different language from the rest of the flyer. Are they looking for someone who called in a tip but didn’t identify themselves? And why would they want all that information about the vehicle? It makes me wonder if they have photos of the parking lot that day or witnesses who described the vehicles in the south parking lot. Also, I wonder if the ‘witness’ LE seeks is really a participant who parked their vehicle in the parking lot and then entered the white truck.”
Good catch! I agree with your assessment completely. LE seems to know there was a lone vehicle in that spot, and I’ll be they have narrowed it down to one or two people. What better way to draw out a suspect than to call them a witness instead?
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Gypsy DD says: September 8, 2010 at 4:23 pm
“For those not quite up on their vampire lore..a vampire can knock at your door, but they have very refined manners..they can not come into your home without your inviting them to cross the threshold. Seems Terri had no problem doing that with this particular vampire. Why..because she wanted Kaine murdered, she backed off..and the vampires paid another visit and said ..we need something for our time and trouble. She figured they would eventually go away. They did not..thus kidnapping Kyron came into play.”
You do realize, of course, that what you are saying is that “the vampire” (landscaper or whomever) took Kyron in order to get revenge on Terri. This means that the vampire/landscaper/whomever knew/knows how much Terri cares for Kyron.
This contradicts a lot of the theories voices of late that Terri loathed Kyron.
What it sounds like is that Terri is the same person in the photos hugging baby Kyron while he went trick-or-treating. She may not be a perfect person, and she may have some moments that aren’t so great (who doesn’t?) but there’s no way that the vampire/landscaper would take Kryon if he was anything less than loved and adored.
It also just occurred to me that Terri did not call 911 or Desiree on June 4. I don’t believe she would have gone to the school at all except that the bus driver called the school and they were then told that Kyron was marked absent. Kaine in a panic then drove with Terri and Kiara to the school. There was no way she could avoid going but, once she got there, it was the school secretary had to make those calls. Desiree had to ask her where Kaine and Terri were. Then, when the secretary told her that Terri was there, Desiree was the one who had to hang up and call Terri. When she told Terri she was coming up to Portland asap, Terri said, “You are?” What a strange response! No, Terri did not want LE, the school, Desiree or anyone to know what had happened until after it was over. She thought she could control the whole thing and have it done in a day. MOO
i’ve been reading older postings on previous stories about this case. i read that TH was on probation at the time KH purchased their house. is this correct? if so, why was TH on probation and what was her crime?
It would be great to see LS take a lie detector test. I would love to be a fly on the wall of that room for a few minutes.
So – Ransom. Let’s review here. MOO it appears TH arranged this kidnapping to get Kaine to pay the ransom, which the Vampire was supposed to pick up. Vampire leaves note and glasses in mailbox. What did the note say? “We’ll contact you soon about where to drop the money”? OR…..maybe it said that TERRI was supposed to be the one to personally deliver the money to the Vampire, “alone, or the boy dies….” Well of course that makes sense if she was in on it. But Vampire didn’t call back as scheduled; OR, police were onto TH too fast so when the note said TH was supposed to deliver the money, LE said, “UH UH, no….ain’t gonna happen. We already know you’re involved (or they at least suspected). Maybe Kaine did get the money and had it ready to deliver. But it was never delivered. LS was cornered by LE so he admits to the MFH stuff to draw attention away from himself with the kidnapping. In the meantime, wherever Kyron was “stashed” and whoever was “stashing” him, they didn’t get the money so they…..they what? They didn’t necessarily have to kill him, did they? But Blink seems rather sure he’s with us no more, I’m not sure why. But if this is all we know and Blink you don’t know anymore than this about whether he is or is not deceased, then why isn’t it possible that he’s alive? Whoever has him may even like him, but can’t turn him over now or they’ll go to jail along with the rest because Kyron would talk. Blink I just wish you would say once that it’s POSSIBLE he’s still with us, and mean it.
Oh Blink, I am extremely sickened by the thoughts that your last comments have sent reeling through my Mommy brain. Oh the Horror!
You wrote:
For those not quite up on their vampire lore..a vampire can knock at your door, but they have very refined manners…they can not come into your home without your inviting them to cross the threshold.
Seems Terri had no problem doing that with this particular vampire.
Why…because she wanted Kaine murdered, she backed off…and the vampires paid another visit and said …we need something for our time and trouble. She figured they would eventually go away. They did not..thus kidnapping Kyron came into play._______________________________________
Blink IMO, did she willingly give Kyron to them, inorder for these sickos to back off? WEas it a question of which child? Or did they simply take it upon themselves to take something equal in value for their troubles and Kryon was an easy target?
I would think since she sent James away- perhaps she was trying to protect them? But then she seemed to have no problem leaving little Kiara alone in the gym daycare. I sadly think the abduction of Kyron was too smooth, not to have Terrie’s hands dirty in the set-uo-
Regardless of how it happened- I agree with you she is reponsible for what happened. Why does she not do the right thing and give them up? Is she afraid for her daughter? James? Herself? What about little Kyron ? Or is she simply not willing to own up to her part and take responsibility thereby going to jail?
My God!- Who are these people and what did that little innocent boy have to endure because of his stepmother’s choice to lay down with dogs and bring the fleas home to roost?
Mom 3.0, those were not my words, they were DD Gypsy’s that somehow got attributed. That said, she is a smart and lovely lady so I know she will not mind if I try to decifer-
I believe she thinks she was a willing participant, but perhaps did not realize until too late?
I personally do not believe Terri was in on it, but I think her actions have facilitated this crime, and I think she is responsible.
There is not going to be anything to spin, there is only going to be a missing child.
B
Blink, I so totally agree. Her seemingly charmed life is over, whatever the outcome. I hope she is scared and it will haunt her every day, forever. I don’t think she is psychopathic, just narcissistic. May she roti hell and hopefully a prison cell. There is no “Happy” birthday for Kyron and for this my heart breaks.
OOps Blink, that should have read in YOUR opinion did she willingly give Kyron to them, inorder for these sickos to back off? Was it a question of which child? Or did they simply take it upon themselves to take something equal in value for their troubles and Kryon was an easy target?
BTW Newsatfive, LS may not have known that Kyron was Terri’s stepson. He and his associates may have thought Kyron was her biological son in which case they would have simply assumed that she would love him deeply.
@gigi
I believe Terri was on probation for a DUI and child endangerment (due to driving drunk with a child, her son James, in the car). This is also what I think people are referring to when they talk about the fact that someone in the Horman home had been under investigation before the kidnapping.
Who are the Harringtons?
34.lyla says:
September 7, 2010 at 1:37 pm
“I used to sing this to my Grandson when he was seven years old and was separated from some of his family. He died in 2001 at the age of 20. My daughter chose to play this song at his funeral. It’s from American Tail. It’s full of hope..”
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Oh, lyla…TY! That was so touching. I haven’t heard that song for years, but knew what song it was when you mentioned American Tail. It’s so appropriate for Kyron. I do hope & pray he’s still “out there” alive and will return home soon.
12.Stars says:
September 8, 2010 at 8:48 pm:
“I think the vampire is LS/Rudy because Blink has said many, many times that LS is KEY. So, if he is the Vampire, he knows where Kyron is, right?
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IMHO, not necessarily, Stars, but a really great question. I am not entirely convinced RS was the vampire. I do think he MAY have been the first one she approached for the MFH. If LE suspects RS DOES know where Kyron is OR actually abducted Kyron for ransom, I don’t think for one moment LE would have wired him in an effort to “entrap” TH. Believe me, folks, kidnapping/probable murder of a minor child trumps a failed MFH plot in any jurisdiction. Wiring Rudy sounds to me like LE was after the person they thought might know MOST about this abduction–TH herself. I am sure LE was hoping against all hope that TH would talk.
Thank you for clearing that up Blink- I am still reeling at the thought. I am not sure if Gypsy is correct, God I hope not, but I know Gypsy DD skills- so she may be.
But I feel alittle bit better thinking that you do not think Terri was in on it- as I think that would be the most sickening thought, that little Kyron was handed over by his beloved SM, and that is his last realization about his home-life before being taken.
okay so the “vampires” paid another visit in early to mid-May right, when the 911 call came from the Horman property?? IMO this is when TH realized she was in deep. “They” weren’t going away without something. All kinds of threats could have been made between May and June 4. And after as well.
I agree with Malty bad company, bad choices, sad outcome for everyone
@Blink – “I personally do not believe Terri was in on it, but I think her actions have facilitated this crime, and I think she is responsible.”
WHAT? COME AGAIN? My head is spinning. We’ve been talking for weeks about this Dr. Appt. and all the other weird behavior of TH that made it look TOTALLY like she planned it, and probably 80% of your bloggers have said they think Terri was in deep….and now I am reading that you don’t even think she was in on it? Meaning she wasn’t involved? Meaning everything that happened that day was just coincidence? How on earth would Kyron have gotten in the parking lot if she didn’t tell him to go there? If she did, she’s in on it.
I’m completely lost now. My head hurts. I need to just go away for awhile and comment no more.
You are interpreting one comment out of hundreds I have made regarding this case.
Where do you pull out 80% think Terri is in deep? Do you have a confirmed Dr. appt to date?
I NEVER SAID it was coincidence, every thing you have mentioned I am clearly on the record.
People – what is REASONABLE here? There are double digit State and Fed agencies involved?
This is no Law and Order episode.
You cannot know how deeply I wish it were.
HBITAOAAMYFCH Sweet Ky.
B