Kyron Horman Missing: Kaine And Terri Horman Face Off In Family Court
Portland, Or– Following one of the largest organized search weekends on Sauvie Island since Kyron Horman, 8,was abducted from Skyline School on June 4, his step-mother and father squared off in family court. Kaine Horman, Kyron’s father, arrived with his attorney, Laura Rackner.
Kaine’s estranged wife Terri Horman, arrived with her criminal defense attorney; Stephen Houze and her family law attorney Peter Bunch.
Mr. Horman appeared in a crisp-white dress shirt and tie, and Ms. Moulton-Horman wore an eggplant hued suit with a long skirt.
Cameras were banned in the downtown Multnomah County courtroom; however, there were apparently several hidden “nests” as the tweets were flying real-time.
Peter Bunch, counsel to Terri Horman, is adamant his client is the subject of more than one criminal investigation:
“The state has the ability to obtain every single bit of information that is produced in this case and that is outside the bounds of what it could do were this proceeding not occurring,” Bunch said in court.
“It is fundamentally unfair for Kitty (Kiara) and for Miss Horman for me to be hamstrung in the divorce case for the information I have compared to what they have.” “The publicity that’s going on is not being driven by Ms. Horman, it’s being driven by Mr. Horman, when he tells national media there’s no doubt Ms. Horman is involved.” “If Mr. Horman is really interested in what‘s best for the child, then Mr. Horman wouldn’t object to any visitation by this child’s mother.” “We’ll concede, Mr. Horman can have the house, right now. Mrs. Horman is going to lose money…”
Terri Horman has not been declared a suspect in either Kyron Horman’s disappearance or the alleged murder for hire plot against Kaine Horman. She is however, seeking access to all of her 911 calls dating back to the DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS.
While this timeline coincides with accusations by Kaine Horman in his filings that Terri attempted to arrange to have him murdered, this is the first public revelation of that call. Bunch went on to say that Rackner and Kaine Horman, who are parties to case sensitive criminal investigation materials involving Terri, are at a supreme advantage to his client who should only be expected to plead her protections under the 5th amendment as a result.
After heated debate by those sides, we learned: Rudy Sanchez, the infamous landscaper/hitman for hire, has an alias, and has eluded service in the civil matter to date, although he appears to have cooperated. Bunch proclaims Sanchez is unlocatable as a result of MCSO unwillingness to share discovery of a witness in the civil case ( blink holds hands over eyes).
Michael Cook, a/k/a sexter king, waited all afternoon via subpoena by Rackner, but was only interviewed by the press. He states he cut ties with both Terri and Kaine days before he was outed for invasive scapular intrusions. No word on that healing process.
Terri Horman had her own personal black Friday this year.
She called 911 THE DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS. Regular contributors and readers of blinkoncrime.com doubt she had sale flyer questions.
Judge Keith Meisenheimer, was sensitive to Kaine and Kyron’s ‘round the clock nightmare, but feels some time may allow things to shake out. January 6, 2011 to be exact.
Following this afternoon’s legal melee, blinkoncrime.com Editor In Chief asked prominent Washington State Family Law Attorney, Lea Conner, to weigh in:
Although I preface my comments with the fact that I practice family law in Washington State and not in Oregon, I am an Oregon native that has followed this case closely.
I’m a bit perplexed by Peter Bunch’s reasoning that if the court were to abate the dissolution, he would respond by filing a motion to modify the restraining order so that Terri Horman could have visitation with the parties’ daughter. Essentially, Mr. Bunch is arguing that the abatement would prejudice his client’s ability to parent her child. My understanding of the Multnomah County local rules is that an abatement means that the entire case is halted. Neither party can bring a motion before the court, nor can the court hear argument or make any ruling on motions.
It was also interesting to hear Mr. Bunch argue that proceeding with the divorce would violate Ms. Horman’s right against self-incrimination in the disappearance of her stepson. This is the first time that Terri Horman has publicly acknowledged any self-incrimination issues. In her motion for abatement, Ms. Horman, through counsel, argued that the ongoing investigation into Kyron Horman’s disappearance had made it “virtually impossible…to proceed with divorce-related issues in an effective an[d] orderly fashion[.]” Were Mr. Bunch to bring a motion to allow visitation, Mr. Horman would no doubt argue that Ms. Horman’s actions demonstrate that Ms Horman or someone she knew was responsible for Kyron Horman’s disappearance, and that her behavior since Kyron’s disappearance shows that she is unstable and poses a threat to their daughter’s safety.
I do not believe Mr. Horman would raise Ms. Horman’s 2005 convictions for DUI and reckless endangerment, as not only later chose to have a child with Ms. Horman since that time, he also left both of his children in her care for extended periods while he was at work. Under those facts, it would be hard to conclude that Mr. Horman believed Ms. Horman posed a threat to their daughter. The judge’s comment that “[e]ventually, Terri will have to decide whether or not to plead the fifth, regardless of the timing of the proceedings,” seems to indicate that the judge may not be willing to hold the action in abatement past the January 6, 2011, hearing.
I’m also interested in Mr. Bunch’s comment that “Rudy Sanchez” is an alias. If that’s true, then what is Rudy Sanchez’ real name, and how exactly did he first come in contact with Terri Horman?
It was also strange to learn that Michael Cook was subpoenaed to testify at the hearing. I’m curious if there were others scheduled to testify as well. I cannot speak to how the Oregon court operates in practice. However, I note that each party provided written affidavits in support of their respective motions.
Is there some reason that Mr. Cook’s statement could only be presented in oral testimony?
I’m not sure I understand Mr. Bunch’s logic in saying “If this is not abated we will not get reciprocal discovery.”
The state is not a party to a dissolution action. In a dissolution action, the parties can seek discovery from each other, and depending on the court rules, from third parties as well.
I’m not sure why Mr. Bunch would have the impression that there would be reciprocal discovery with a third party in a dissolution action, especially when that third party is law enforcement.
There’s a disconnect between Mr. Bunch’s argument that Ms. Horman cannot defend herself because she would incriminate herself in the disappearance of her stepson, and his statement that “If Mr. Horman is really interested in what‘s best for the child, then Mr. Horman wouldn’t object to any visitation by this child’s mother.”
The apparent logic is that Ms. Horman admits that if she speaks, she will incriminate herself in some as-yet-to-be-named crime related to Kyron’s disappearance, yet Mr. Horman is now supposed to trust her to care for his other child, because that’s so obviously in their daughter’s best interest.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for updates.
Madeline Tanner, contributor and copy editor, www.blinkoncrime.com
Lea Connor, Esq., legal analyst, www.blinkoncrime.com
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@Idahogal
Thanks for the link to the Suit Money docs. Very interesting that it asserts that the money was “neither a loan nor a gift”. So what is left? TH earned that money somehow? Does this mean she did sell pictures or the rights to her “story”? She has to have earned it in a way that does not paint her in a good light – otherwise you would think her lawyers would simply reveal the source in the same meeting they revealed that the money wasn’t a loan, wasn’t a gift and wasn’t 350k.
@ Falstaff says:
October 8, 2010 at 12:14 pm
“Boots” ? The cat? I’m confused. I’ve missed a lot of posts, need to start over.
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If you’re joking, I’m dying laughing. Why not bring in Boots, the cat? Maybe she’s an undercover agent!
If you’re serious, then do read back just a bit to the discussion about muddy bootprints having been found near Ky’s classroom.
Blink says:
Satorie is a smartie.
Evaluate a person’s intentions-
Then what they actually say.
B
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I really have to have it spelled out to me as if I were a 10 year old. Does this mean that the Mayor was putting on the facade of trying to help the investigation, while he was really trying to indict a (political) enemy?
Where’s that name Idahogal mentioned?
I missed this and just saw an astute Hinky commenter post it:
During the hearing, Bunch corrected Rackner, who suggested that Terri Horman’s son James was living with his father. No, Bunch said flatly, James is living with his mother.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/judge_delays_terri_and_kaine_h.html
@Maat: It doesn’t matter, legally, where that money is going to come from (possibly a media gift; possibly a pro bono thing; who knows). All that Kaine’s atty needs to know for purposes of the divorce is that it was neither a gift nor a loan. So, he has no liability to get put on the hook to pay it off. And he has no legal right to discuss whether or not it was a gift which could be construed as marital assets.
All he needs to know legally for the divorce matters was told to him right there.
1.Maat says:
October 8, 2010 at 12:44 pm
@Idahogal
Thanks for the link to the Suit Money docs. Very interesting that it asserts that the money was “neither a loan nor a gift”. So what is left? TH earned that money somehow? Does this mean she did sell pictures or the rights to her “story”? She has to have earned it in a way that does not paint her in a good light – otherwise you would think her lawyers would simply reveal the source in the same meeting they revealed that the money wasn’t a loan, wasn’t a gift and wasn’t 350k.
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I read that TH’s parents mortgaged or took a second mortgage on their home in Roseburg supposedly going toward the retainer.
My bad, Falstaff. I think the Horman cat is actually Bootsie.
Or Bootsie a/k/a Boots.
@Kimberly
The little girl in the science fair photo does look an awful lot like the missing girl. And now the way the man is leaning back to avoid being in the picture looks suspicious to me. Usually you would try to get yourself AND your kid out of someone elses picture if it were innocent. But how can it be her if the girl’s mother abducted her on May 19?
Another thought – is it possible that TH wouldn’t notice her stalker/nemesis right there at the science fair? Maybe she only noticed the perp in the pictures as she was showing them off in FM? Maybe that is what caused the freak out and driving around? And then she posted the pictures on FB to show someone that she caught him on camera and he’d better return Ky? It seems like such a wild coincidence that the perp would be right there in the last photo taken on Kyron.
I think I’ve been flipped .. just go with me here ..
Rudy Sanchez aka ??? is a pretty big guy .. works out with steriods maybe .. he’s from the same area of OR where there was recently a major take down of LE personnel involved in steriod use and abuse .. from all appearances, has a good business (in landscaping maintenance) reputation .. brother Jamie and ??? Ubaldo seem to as well .. Blinksters have found nothing to suggest otherwise.
Just maybe .. and here is where I’ve flipped .. it’s TH that has been under investigation for some time prior to June 4th for drug sales, MFH .. maybe the MFH sting was more than an entrapment (handy that a DEA agent as available) ..
Not saying that the May 911 didn’t happen, but we only know of it from Terri’s Mom .. right?? .. what if the relationship between TH and aka RS was the sexting and that was being used to catch TH in whatever illegal activities she was involved in .. what if TH has been trying to get out of the business (whatever it is) and the associates (some kind of cartel) wouldn’t let her ..
I’m saying now .. if aka Rudy Sanchez were involved in this, he would not be treated as the golden child of LE .. he would be giving up information about Kyron and sitting in lockup .. instead, he and the undercover DEA guy are not to be found .. why???
I don’t know about anyone else, but at least for me, there are certain aspects of this case that really remind me to some degree of the Anthony saga and that leaves me completely disheartened as a parent. I do know however that this is a club I would never want to be a member of. I can’t even imagine what all this has to feel like for the people who truly did love Ky, if in fact there was anyone related to him that truly did. I say that not in a judgmental way, but from the view that I have no idea what I still “don’t know” but realize that there are in fact are a lot of things we obviously have no real factual knowledge of here that LE does know and I can only speculate on what his life might have been honestly like before his disappearance. May God bless little Kyron wherever he may be.
Would multiple investigations not refer to the MFH and Kyron’s disappearance?
I swear the longer Kyron is missing, the less brain power I have to think outside the box.
@satori
I remember some thing about those Chirstmas pics was not right
or someone posted questions about them
hope you can Remember or I can I will keep thinking
Questions:
Is the groundkeeper with the white truck working at the school now?
Did terry get p.o.’d at Kyron,acted alone, then summoned help from a friend?
Did Kyron know something he was going to reveal,or embarass her in front of someone at the school?
Did he catch a ride with the gk, then get in Terri’s truck?
I could be in left field, but thegk has bothered me from the beginning,did she also lead him on? I think she hit him to hard…???
I needed this update. I have been thinking of Kyron daily.
I want to know what the LS’s real name is. I want to know what all the 911 calls are about…how many are there? Is TH 911 trigger happy? How many times do you really need to call 911? It’s for emergencies.
So they didn’t find anything when the searched the island again? Kyron!!! Send us a message to find you.
Will a clip from a .pdf image paste here? I see not. So, for those of you who didn’t read Bunch’s Suit Money Memo: all the time all this legal stuff has been going on behind the scenes. As we surely suspected, KH’s airing of TH $350K legal fees wasn’t really about trying to grab the money at all.
Also, I guess we were all wondering how long KH and DY could maintain the united front per Ky. Well, Bunch brought Desiree’s solo press conference into his legal filings for TH (her request that TH’s family or friends who in DY’s mind had ponied up the $350K might at least want to contribute that amount to the effort to find Ky).
So, now KH can be officially annoyed with DY for screwing up his attempts to harass/pressure TH thru his various divorce filings.
AND, very importantly, she has helped some to provide support for Bunch’s conclusion, which is that TH now requests that KH be ordered to pay her legal expenses in defending the “suit money” accusation. (I do believe she stands a fair chance of winning that one, but suspect the legal filing was done to put KH on notice that he needs to back off. And that may be why we’ve seen a softening on his part recently. He was aware of all this behind the scenes wrangling.)
Lawyers get a grade “A”. Now they can all go out to lunch together.
@Karen
as long as Terri looks pretty and put together I don’t feel sorry
for her and can be more objective
that is just me when she looked bad I found myself feeling sorry
for her Not a good thing.
That movie I want to live.
Has been in my head Also I watched it again recently
@Kimberly, no you are not the only one. I posted about it last night on the earlier Kyron thread (http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-59/#comments) and thought I might be going crazy. I’m glad I’m not alone!
It could be an eerie coincidence that this girl looks a heck of a lot like the missing 5-year-old Jamie Mejia. But, there may be something there.
Beejay,
As the Mayor and newly self-appointed Police Commissioner, I find it very odd that Adams Tweets about the man in the photo — specifically the 2nd photo. That was minutes after the WW story broke. Furthermore, that was the ONLY mention of this story, aside from a story posted on June 5 or 6 I believe.
Why don’t you just think about that. No other public mention about Kyron’s story. Only a Tweet about one man in the photo. Why?
From BOC, July 4, “My media contacts are telling me that Houze is shopping imaging and licensing rights to fund his clients representation, should she be charged of any criminal offenses.” Could this be the source of the funds? I believe she would have signed over her imaging rights to Houze and he, as the new owner, would have been paid diretly by the media outlets who purchases them. Thus, no money would have ever gone to Terri.
Or, House could be doing this pro bono and writing it off as advertising/pr/publicity expense as this case will make him world famous.
Kozyotb says:
October 8, 2010 at 11:55 am
The man in the picture is grandpa/relative Estrada/Sanchez. Kyron new LS’s girls through Terri. This is how he was lured outside. Estrada/Sanchez wife and girls left the country? because the kids know Kyron went with them outside to their vehicle
Kozyotb…where did you get this information? It makes more sense to me than anything else, do you have proof of this?
TIA
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
Misspelling at #6 …”purchases” should have been “purchased”
Any speculation on why Terri was in such a hurry to jet out of the SF? Remember some earlier comments along the lines of her being seen by a student “hiding” under the stairs? We’re so focused on the SF photo with the unidentified man and girl(s), so here’s a scenario.
Not knowing the order the photos were taken in, say Terri realizes as she snaps the last photo that it’s RS (or associate she’s acquainted with — maybe his wife?) and kids coming into the classroom as she’s taking the picture. I believe her statement was she left him in the hall…so, did she hurry out of the classroom after spotting RS and girls, wind her way (with Kyron) around the school, leave him in the hall with friends and then hide under the stairs, still alluding RS — or mystery person, leave the building — thinking that he/she was after her because they still have unfinished business — takes off and at some point is notified he/she has Kyron.
And the chase all over Sauvie Island and to Fred Meyers etc. begins — or did it? If she was notified at some point, we don’t really know at which point it was. Her “iffy” sections on the LDT have to do with where she was during that time and why — but not as far as being responsible for Kyron’s disappearance.
Certainly she wanted to cover up the relationship with RS, and other things that might have been going on along side of that (possible drug connections). She may not have known what happened until everyone else did, and then started putting her own two and two together. That would explain why she looked the way she did. She “knew” something by the time the first press conference took place, but she didn’t know what happened to Kyron.
Maybe our mystery person is RS’s wife. We don’t know everything behind the incident at RS’s house. We know what Terri told her mother. We don’t know why a 911 call was made that day. Do we know who made it? We don’t know anything about RS’s wife and kids except they are missing and there is a warrant for her. And if she’s not his wife, she doesn’t care if Terri is having an affair with RS. There could be an entirely different motivation behind her involvement.
Many of us have assumed something “bad” happened to Elsy and kids. But maybe they are part of the entire scheme — that Terri really didn’t know about and was struggling to figure out along with everyone else — not wanting harm to come to Kyron but certainly wanting to protect herself, and hoping it would turn out alright. Remember her statements along the lines of “don’t believe what you’re reading, there is way more to this”….I think that’s why she wasn’t as upset (or at least not in the same way) as everyone else initially.
But when it looked like she was going to be made to take the fall, she protected herself. And probably Kitty too, by not fighting the RO. Who knows what threats and fears (“we did this to Kyron, we can do this to Kitty too….”) might have come her way.
No doubt she was in way over her head.
Lots to think about.
Falstaff says:
October 8, 2010 at 12:14 pm
“Boots” ? The cat? I’m confused. I’ve missed a lot of posts, need to start over.
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Let me save you some time, Falstaff. Here is the reference to boots that I made:
pps_mom says:
October 4, 2010 at 10:10 pm
On June 14th, I was attending a meeting. The conversation turned to Kyron. The rest of the people started staring at one person kind of anxiously. It turned out that they all knew that this person works for MCSD. Well, I sure wasn’t going to let this opportunity go by without asking for the inside scoop. This person was a bit reticent about saying too much, but did say the following:
1. They did not think the SM “did it.”
2. They had already gone through her car twice and it was clean.
3. They found adult boot prints outside a door, very near to Kyron’s classroom.
4. They were in the process of cataloging over 4000 pieces of potential evidence. Garbage bag after garbage bag of stuff that she said would take weeks to decipher.
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A couple of weeks later we all meet again. By this time, the MFH plot has surfaced, restraining orders are in place, and TH is out of the house. Of course, all of us turn to this person with looks on our faces like, “WTF.” I think at least a couple people say something to the effect that, “it looks like it WAS the SM, Right?” Here’s where it gets weird: This person sort of shrugs their shoulders and says “yeah, I guess they (MCSD) were wrong.” And then completely clams up on us. We have met many times since then (not every time has the subject of Kyron come up), but when he has, this person turns to stone.
I had always taken this person’s sudden change in behavior as them feeling “sheepish” for having told us inside intelligence that was clearly so poor or that this person wasn’t in the real loop at work.
I am starting to get the sense that this person and all of LE was under a very tight Gag Order that maybe didn’t go into effect until the case started getting more complicated. (Clipped)
Oh my, oh my. Not only what I posted before in the “Suit $ Memo”, but there’s “tortious interference” (by KH) between TH and her atty Mr. Houze. Translation: Kaine, you can be sued for this (under civil court, tort law).
KH may need to work out his own media deals to get the bucks to pay his legal fees if he doesn’t back off harassing TH in civil court.
Check the Hinky Meter for another article. A little easier to understand some of the legal references above (which confused me too).
For those who are trying to look at the mystery man in the science fair picture (in this case, I refer to the man who’s face shows at the side of the picture); this is clearest version I’ve seen. It is also helpful to watch the video wherein the photo is enlarged and is the most clear of all.
http://www.kptv.com/video/24014601/index.html
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As to the other mystery man, the one more in the center of a different science fair photo, the one with a plaid shirt, yes the little girl with him does look like little Jamie Mejia. However, it’s just a glimpse of an image. (Thanks Kimberly)
I see the science fair pics as containing two distinct guys, one in a red/cream plaid shirt and the other with a dark (blue? Gray?) crew neck sweater over a white shirt. (I agree with Beejay on that)
What does seem odd to me about the pic of plaid shirt guy, is his body position. It looks almost as if he’s ducking his head to his left. If he didn’t want his face to appear in the photo, he got it done right there.
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/22/kyron-horman-update-man-spotted-in-photo-from-stepmoms-facebook-page/
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I am regarding any possible connection of missing Elsy & kids to the Kyron tragidy with less skepticism lately.
Beejay, I think Rudy has at least 2 kids, the little girl in the photo Blink stealthily produced and the 7 year old boy referenced by the commenter Goodnessme. (open Goodnessme’s comment to the KATU article linked below – but Beejay I’m sure this comment is old news to you).
http://www.katu.com/news/local/99594834.html
http://blinkoncrime.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Sanchez_201.jpg
fitz and others have mentioned RS having 2 little girls. I can’t find where we determined that was the case. Also unclear about “could he have still been in custody of his 2 girls” – did he divorce and lose custody at some point, or ?
Thanks.
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fitz says:
October 5, 2010 at 7:44 am
I’ve had a strange feeling about the “man chaperone and 2 girls” sighting with Kyron on the 4th. If RS is involved could he have still been in custody of his 2 girls and they attended the fair and made off with Kyron. Noone seemed to put much stock in the sighting but it was a witness from the fair, not terri, who saw them. If he arrived with his girls it would make him less of a threat to kyron and other parents would brush him off as a parent from the school. JMO
Satori,
Thanks for the reply, on this thread and the last. This is the comment that got me, so you can understand my confusion and perhaps my conclusion.
HOWEVER, when I read Newsatfive’s latest post on the strange man in the photo, chills wentup my spine.
14.GraceintheHills says:
October 8, 2010 at 1:48 am
“May I say that that TH’s hair looked fabulous and witchy as the same time? Maybe that is part of her appeal….:) Her face is a bit thinner, too. IMO something is making her anxious enough to affect her appetite.”
Where she is now, she can’t call 911 to order pepperoni pizzas.
I’m intrigued by the newly discovered 911 call in December. Was this in regards to RS also? If so, she and Rudy must’ve been on the outs soon after the MFH plot was hatched, which makes me believe that the MFH proposal was the cause of the rift between them. Maybe a lot of threats and blackmailing going on, since both had something to hide – she the MFH and he, his illegal status and hidden identity.
Black Friday is the day after Thanksgiving, not Christmas.
Except on odd leap years.
B
Regarding all the 911 calls – if some or all (except the two re the sting and RS) are about “threats” or someone around the property, for example, maybe TH was setting up the idea that KH could have later been killed by an intruder (as opposed to lookiong like MFH). At least one of the calls that we know of, came from a neighboring property, I think. Perhaps that person was helping set that up – or perhaps there are just people wandering through there who don’t belong because of the pot, etc. – or both.
I still think, as I said once before, that TH used LE like a kid who calls on a parent to go after someone when the parent hasn’t taught the kid good ways to handle problems (not that parents aren’t necessary sometimes, of course). I don’t think Terri was/is afraid of RS except that she didn’t want to be confronted about lies she told him. MOO I think she fears losing her control of a situation (and people) more than she fears anyone regarding her physical safety, but pretending to be afraid can be a very useful manipulative tool.
Nice to see Kaine wearing shirt and tie. Poor guy. I am so sorry for him.
Terri looks like she’s lost a lot of weight.
I am so sorry this has to be happening.
Make of this what you will. The article is no longer available. I used KOIN’s crappy search and got nowhere so looked at every one of their equally crappy articles! So disgusted that this is gone. I hope the links work for everyone.
There was discussion of several sleuthing blogs of the sheriff saying the mystery man had been identified, but I only watched a couple of the old pressers and have to get to work now.
http://outside.in/portland-or/tags/Kyron%20Hormon#874759606
Sheriff’s Office knows ‘mystery man’ in photo
Koin 6 Top Stories June 24, 2010
PORTLAND, Ore. – The Multnomah County Sheriff’s office said it knows who the mysterious man is in the background of the picture of Kyron Horman standing in front of his Tree Frog display. He has been interviewed but is not a person of interest in the c… »
And earlier from WW.
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/22/kyron-horman-update-man-spotted-in-photo-from-stepmoms-facebook-page/
Kyron Horman Update: Man Spotted in Photo from Stepmom’s Facebook Page
And this……
http://www.justice4caylee.org/missing-children-f37/kyron-horman-7-yo-portland-or-t6891-345.htm
Sheriff’s Office knows ‘mystery man’ in photo
Last Update: 9:25 pm
Sheriff’s know ‘mystery man’
PORTLAND, Ore. – The Multnomah County Sheriff’s office said it knows who the mysterious man is in the background of the picture of Kyron Horman standing in front of his Tree Frog display.
He has been interviewed but is not a person of interest in the case.
His name will not be released and the Sheriff’s office will not say if he is a parent or teacher.
The picture and that man in the back of room became a hot topic of conversation after Portland Mayor Sam Adams sent out this alert to the public asking for help in identifying the man:
• Do you recognize the man in this photo (2nd photo down in the story)? http://bit.ly/anVz0r #fb
http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/Sheriffs-Office-knows-mystery-man-in-photo/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx
And again,
http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?p=757299
Sheriff’s Office knows ‘mystery man’ in photo
Last Update: 6/24 9:25 pm
PORTLAND, Ore. – The Multnomah County Sheriff’s office said it knows who the mysterious man is in the background of the picture of Kyron Horman standing in front of his Tree Frog display.
He has been interviewed but is not a person of interest in the case.
His name will not be released and the Sheriff’s office will not say if he is a parent or teacher.
The picture and that man in the back of room became a hot topic of conversation after Portland Mayor Sam Adams sent out this alert to the public asking for help in identifying the man:
Do you recognize the man in http://bit.ly/anVz0r #fb this photo (2nd photo down in the story)?
Possibly we should all wear high top boots while reading anything in the press.
10.Skyline parent says:
October 8, 2010 at 12:59 am
RE: Mystery man in pic
Hi Skyline parent. If you save an original of the SF pic to your desktop, then open again w/Microsoft pic or Photoshop and enlarge 800%, you can see him pretty clearly.I can’t attach save pic as an attachment or I would send to you.Thank for all your info.
Prayers for Kyron.
I have kind of a wild theory based on some of the info from the KATU article: (http://www.katu.com/news/local/104507829.html).
I am very interested in the fact that Terri’s lawyers cannot get access to Rudy. The article from KATU (http://www.katu.com/news/local/104507829.html) says that Bunch cannot get contact information for Rudy. But it seems that most people here have been able to Google him and find out his address, at least for his business location, so, does that mean that at this time he is not at his current address or he’s moved to a new one? Could it mean that he is in jail somewhere and LE won’t tell him where? Or, is it because of the fact that Rudy is an alias for another name, and we still do not know the correct name and neither does the lawyer. I know that BeeJay discovered his name is really Rodolfo S. Estrada, but why wouldn’t the article (or lawyer) just say that and not make it sound so mysterious? Maybe that is also an alias.
My theory: Perhaps he really is undercover LE, and it is just a big coincidence that while working undercover he was solicited for murder by TH, but perhaps she backed off on that so they couldn’t pursue but have kept her in their sights all this time. Then, all the sudden, her step son goes missing, and they are having an OMG moment and put a police officer 24/7 in her home because they know what she is capable of, whether or not a bogus ransom note was delivered or not. Maybe I’ve watched too may Lifetime movies, but it seems that when a woman tries to solicit murder, somehow she ends up soliciting a police informant who then hands her over to an “undercover” or she solicits someone undercover. It could happen.
As for the man in the photo that we have been discussing, perhaps he is the one she was having an affair with. Maybe he was in the room that morning waiting for her to finish at the Science Fair so they could leave together or meet up somewhere. Maybe the picture with him in it is a kind of “inside joke” for her to post on her Facebook between them. He may have spoken to her by her truck or sat in it for a moment. He may be the person seen by it. Perhaps they spent the morning together, with Kiara, just spending time together. That may be why she looks so guilty and won’t account for her time. Maybe he is married also. However, with her lawyer saying she must plead the fifth it makes me think she must be involved somehow. But, I just don’t want it to be her. I don’t want Kyron to have been harmed by the woman he called Mom. I just can’t handle that. If it is found to be her, I hope they leave her alone with Desiree so that she can have her revenge. But in my mind I just can’t imagine taking a little boy to a Science Fair and then taking him away and doing him harm. This is such a mystery.
Also, just wanted to say this as well. I think Kaine looks very nice in the photo and as said by GraceintheHills, it does hurt to look at him in his grief. I know that what NelMel says is correct regarding TH’s rights and how if she loses hers we all could, but I must say that if I were in her situation (which I am proud to say I would NEVER be), my dad would take me into a room and absolutely shake me until the truth came out of me. There is no way my dad would just let me stay in his home while a defenseless child was missing and I was potentially involved. What are her parents doing? What type of conversations are they having in that home? My parents would not stand for it, I am sure of that.
From the KATU October 7, 2010 article which included tweets:
“Peter Bunch said he’s asked for Terri Horman calls to 9-1-1, back to Dec 26th [Note: the Decemeber request my have been mispoken].”
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Can anyone help me understand this? Is the reporter saying that the actual date of “Dec. 26th” may have been misspoken? Or simply that the attorney misspoke by asking for the 911 transcripts of that particular date? Do you know, Blink?
Cleaning house continues. Note that Vancouver (WA) and Sherwood (OR) are very close to Portland (OR). One always wonders what the next day brings here ;-(
Oct/6 Vancouver high school volunteer arrested on sex charges — http://www.kgw.com/home/Vancouver-high-school-volunteer-arrested-on-sex-charges-104434854.html
Oct/7 Skyview coach & teacher charged with sexual misconduct — http://www.kgw.com/news/Skyview-coach-2nd-school-official-arrested-in-two-days-104544444.html
Oct/8 Former Sherwood School District custodian accused of sex crimes — http://www.oregonlive.com/tigard/index.ssf/2010/10/former_sherwood_school_district_custodian_accused_of_sex_crimes.html
I wonder if the 911 call the day after Christmas wasn’t about Kaine as much as it was about Terri’s state of mind?? Was she already aware she had crossed a line with Sanchez/Estrada & Co.? Or was this part of the plan to set it up like Kaine was abusive some way? maybe she was just off her rocker???
10. Idahogal says:
October 7, 2010 at 12:48 pm
“IMOO: His and/or TH’s and/or Ky’s cell phone pings placed him and/or them at Sauvie Island on June 4th, he is under a sealed indictment, he has cut a deal with LE and the DA to plea for a lesser charge(s). He may have:
1. handed Ky off to someone else (perhaps a recently released jail inmate or associate of AS) either at the school or elsewhere, that person is now in custody and has given LE info. as to where Ky is OR
2. he may have told LE whom and where he handed Ky to (on Sauvie Island?), LE cannot find this person, and they are searching surrounding areas based on same OR
3. done something
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Idahogal, as I was re-reading your excellent post, I just had a terrible thought cross my mind. Getting ready to MOO here: What if it WAS RS who lured Kyron out of the school? Couldn’t he have met up with TMH outside a FM and handed Ky off to her? She does have that 90 minute period of time that is unaccounted for that morning. In this scenario RS would not necessarily know Kyron’s current whereabouts, so he would no be able to lead LE to Kyron’s location. I really don’t want this scenario to be true, because I do NOT want to believe she was capable of doing something like this.
Some posts may be carried over from the last thread.
@ riverpearl says:
October 7, 2010 at 6:55 pm
““Bunch said Terri would likely incriminate herself plead the Fifth Amendment<. (AND THERE YOU HAVE IT FOLKS…)
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kaine–Terri-Horman-due-in-court-for-divorce-hearing-104487169.html "
Argh, so much to catch up on; I picked a bad day to be out of town and offline.
I thought the money quote yesterday came from Kaine:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/judge_delays_terri_and_kaine_h.html
After the judge's ruling, Kaine Horman said that he accepts the 90-day delay but questioned why his wife worried about getting on the stand during a divorce proceeding. "If you put the truth out there, why would you have to plead the Fifth? " he asked.
@ Barefoot says:
October 7, 2010 at 8:54 pm
"The question: If Terri’s money for her attorney was not a gift or a loan, what was it?
I hate speculation, but here’s a speculative answer: Maybe it’s “payment” – in other words,
maybe Terri is selling her story and in return, a publisher or producer is paying her attorney fees.
If it’s not a gift and not a loan, what else could it be?"
Yes, and unless it is from unsavory sources, why won't they simply say, and end speculation themselves?
@ lily says:
October 8, 2010 at 12:49 pm
"I missed this and just saw an astute Hinky commenter post it:
During the hearing, Bunch corrected Rackner, who suggested that Terri Horman’s son James was living with his father. No, Bunch said flatly, James is living with his mother.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/judge_delays_terri_and_kaine_h.html "
This bugs the heck out of me and I acknowledge that Blink has come down on people bringing J into this, however, WHY have the adults all been so cagey about WHEN J actually moved to his father's?
Myself, I am going with the fairly unbiased statement of his stepmother Angela, who said on her FB (public) that J moved in with them in January.
I just can't figure out why all the other adults have variously said January, February, March and now 'never'. Even if his 'residence' is fluctuating between his grandparents' house and his father's (maybe spending nights at both) surely ONE family is responsible for him, he's just a kid still.
Mrs. Horman wants access to all her 911 calls since the day after Christmas? How many 911 calls does a person usually have? I made one in my entire life! Sounds to me like the home front was quite unstable and unsuitable for children.
Wonder if Kaine saw this video with the reporter’s two questions?
http://interceder.net/dashboard/terri-horman
Terri’s not lost weight, she’s lost the facial bloat due to a lot less drinking.
GraceintheHills says:
October 8, 2010 at 4:15 pm
From the KATU October 7, 2010 article which included tweets:
“Peter Bunch said he’s asked for Terri Horman calls to 9-1-1, back to Dec 26th [Note: the Decemeber request my have been mispoken].”
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Grace! I saw that tweet during the unfolding events yesterday and couldn’t find it again. Hope Blink will find out. It sounded to me like the person tweeting was questioning whether Bunch said December when he meant June. BUT, if the resporter got the “back to” part correct, could June 26 be correct? It would have to mean Bunch wants all 911 calls from current date back to June 26. And none before June 26.
I’d think he’d know and be wanting 911 calls before June 26 as well (like the purported May 9 one). If so, then Dec. 26 would have been correctly spoken.
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/files/10_04_10_issue_2.pdf
The above link goes to the Skyline Elementary newsletter, “The Eagle’s Nest” for 10/04/10, page 2:
Search and Rescue this Weekend
Another targeted search and rescue is taking place in the Skyline area – Oct 9th and 10th Saturday and Sunday. Search and Rescue folks have asked if Skyline School families would like to support the search by donating these store bought items:sport /energy drinks (individually wrapped), granola bars, candy bars, cookies, chips, fruit (apple, pears, oranges). Please no homemade items.
Drop off at Skyline School as soon as possible – they need them for Friday. Cash donations to help offset food costs are accepted as well!). Contact Debbie Bauer with questions (503) 351-9390.
I wonder if this is going on at the same time the Sauvie Island search is scheduled?
Liz in Indy
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Satori says:
October 8, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Beejay,
As the Mayor and newly self-appointed Police Commissioner, I find it very odd that Adams Tweets about the man in the photo — specifically the 2nd photo. That was minutes after the WW story broke. Furthermore, that was the ONLY mention of this story, aside from a story posted on June 5 or 6 I believe.
Why don’t you just think about that. No other public mention about Kyron’s story. Only a Tweet about one man in the photo. Why?
Is this a game? The winner gets a gold star? I’d play if I did not work 7 days a week and have a home, children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, pets and a yard to take care of.
Enumclawrose,
The spine chills evolved after contemplating Blink’s statement about how even though there was some sort of mention about this mystery man being cleared, it “stuck” with her, coupled with Newsatfive’s “Vampire” mention.
What ultimately came over me was that, out of everything there is to comment about this case, the only concern by the Mayor via a TWEET, was made about this man in the photo. And as Blink and Newsatfive have mentioned, there has been no real public mention about anything else by the Mayor concerning this case. Further, unlike others in this saga, this man was able to remain unnamed. Why?
It is a PUBLIC SCHOOL!!!!! This man ATTENDED A PUBLIC FUNCTION and subsequently had his photo taken. Why ignore the other man in the photo unless he had already been identied????? HMMMMMMM. Or not? No solid good answers out there about it? Again, I have searched and searched and have found no comments by the Mayor on this case, other than reading the Tweets provided on this site.
Mayor Adams thought it a nice thing to Welcome students back to Lee Elementary. Why not Skyline? Seems like it would have been more than appropriate to do. No?
“Lee K-8 School, an example for others
From 7:30 to 8:30 a.m. Tuesday, Superintendent Smith, School Board Director Dilafruz Williams, Congressman Earl Blumenauer and Mayor Sam Adams welcome students to a new school year at Lee K-8 School, 2222 N.E. 92nd Ave.”
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/news/4355.htm
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Enumclawrose says:
October 8, 2010 at 3:03 pm
Satori,
Thanks for the reply, on this thread and the last. This is the comment that got me, so you can understand my confusion and perhaps my conclusion.
HOWEVER, when I read Newsatfive’s latest post on the strange man in the photo, chills wentup my spine.
Regarding statements about mystery man in picture:
“He has been interviewed but is not a person of interest in the case.” http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?p=757299
Hmmm…not a person of interest. Just like TH. There are different categories for “not a person of interest” in this case. There is the a) not a person of interest but really is a person of interest and b) not a person of interest and really not a person of interest. Wonder which category this guy fits in.
@10.Idahogal says:
October 7, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Brace yourselves, this is a long one…
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Idahogal, I have read your entire post. I have questions tho.
Are you saying TH had no clue Ky would go missing that day? &
she may have had cell phone calls that day from RS? This would account for cell pings on Sauvie Island? &
RS himself conjured up the ransom scenario by note or cell? &
TH couldn’t come up with the ransom so RS handed Ky over to someone else for the $$$? &
RS did all this to throw suspicion on TH for whatever? &
So TH is implicated by association only with RS? &
After all this RS has disappeared? Not under the radar anymore?
Help!!!