Kyron Horman Missing: Kaine And Terri Horman Face Off In Family Court
Portland, Or– Following one of the largest organized search weekends on Sauvie Island since Kyron Horman, 8,was abducted from Skyline School on June 4, his step-mother and father squared off in family court. Kaine Horman, Kyron’s father, arrived with his attorney, Laura Rackner.
Kaine’s estranged wife Terri Horman, arrived with her criminal defense attorney; Stephen Houze and her family law attorney Peter Bunch.
Mr. Horman appeared in a crisp-white dress shirt and tie, and Ms. Moulton-Horman wore an eggplant hued suit with a long skirt.
Cameras were banned in the downtown Multnomah County courtroom; however, there were apparently several hidden “nests” as the tweets were flying real-time.
Peter Bunch, counsel to Terri Horman, is adamant his client is the subject of more than one criminal investigation:
“The state has the ability to obtain every single bit of information that is produced in this case and that is outside the bounds of what it could do were this proceeding not occurring,” Bunch said in court.
“It is fundamentally unfair for Kitty (Kiara) and for Miss Horman for me to be hamstrung in the divorce case for the information I have compared to what they have.” “The publicity that’s going on is not being driven by Ms. Horman, it’s being driven by Mr. Horman, when he tells national media there’s no doubt Ms. Horman is involved.” “If Mr. Horman is really interested in what‘s best for the child, then Mr. Horman wouldn’t object to any visitation by this child’s mother.” “We’ll concede, Mr. Horman can have the house, right now. Mrs. Horman is going to lose money…”
Terri Horman has not been declared a suspect in either Kyron Horman’s disappearance or the alleged murder for hire plot against Kaine Horman. She is however, seeking access to all of her 911 calls dating back to the DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS.
While this timeline coincides with accusations by Kaine Horman in his filings that Terri attempted to arrange to have him murdered, this is the first public revelation of that call. Bunch went on to say that Rackner and Kaine Horman, who are parties to case sensitive criminal investigation materials involving Terri, are at a supreme advantage to his client who should only be expected to plead her protections under the 5th amendment as a result.
After heated debate by those sides, we learned: Rudy Sanchez, the infamous landscaper/hitman for hire, has an alias, and has eluded service in the civil matter to date, although he appears to have cooperated. Bunch proclaims Sanchez is unlocatable as a result of MCSO unwillingness to share discovery of a witness in the civil case ( blink holds hands over eyes).
Michael Cook, a/k/a sexter king, waited all afternoon via subpoena by Rackner, but was only interviewed by the press. He states he cut ties with both Terri and Kaine days before he was outed for invasive scapular intrusions. No word on that healing process.
Terri Horman had her own personal black Friday this year.
She called 911 THE DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS. Regular contributors and readers of blinkoncrime.com doubt she had sale flyer questions.
Judge Keith Meisenheimer, was sensitive to Kaine and Kyron’s ‘round the clock nightmare, but feels some time may allow things to shake out. January 6, 2011 to be exact.
Following this afternoon’s legal melee, blinkoncrime.com Editor In Chief asked prominent Washington State Family Law Attorney, Lea Conner, to weigh in:
Although I preface my comments with the fact that I practice family law in Washington State and not in Oregon, I am an Oregon native that has followed this case closely.
I’m a bit perplexed by Peter Bunch’s reasoning that if the court were to abate the dissolution, he would respond by filing a motion to modify the restraining order so that Terri Horman could have visitation with the parties’ daughter. Essentially, Mr. Bunch is arguing that the abatement would prejudice his client’s ability to parent her child. My understanding of the Multnomah County local rules is that an abatement means that the entire case is halted. Neither party can bring a motion before the court, nor can the court hear argument or make any ruling on motions.
It was also interesting to hear Mr. Bunch argue that proceeding with the divorce would violate Ms. Horman’s right against self-incrimination in the disappearance of her stepson. This is the first time that Terri Horman has publicly acknowledged any self-incrimination issues. In her motion for abatement, Ms. Horman, through counsel, argued that the ongoing investigation into Kyron Horman’s disappearance had made it “virtually impossible…to proceed with divorce-related issues in an effective an[d] orderly fashion[.]” Were Mr. Bunch to bring a motion to allow visitation, Mr. Horman would no doubt argue that Ms. Horman’s actions demonstrate that Ms Horman or someone she knew was responsible for Kyron Horman’s disappearance, and that her behavior since Kyron’s disappearance shows that she is unstable and poses a threat to their daughter’s safety.
I do not believe Mr. Horman would raise Ms. Horman’s 2005 convictions for DUI and reckless endangerment, as not only later chose to have a child with Ms. Horman since that time, he also left both of his children in her care for extended periods while he was at work. Under those facts, it would be hard to conclude that Mr. Horman believed Ms. Horman posed a threat to their daughter. The judge’s comment that “[e]ventually, Terri will have to decide whether or not to plead the fifth, regardless of the timing of the proceedings,” seems to indicate that the judge may not be willing to hold the action in abatement past the January 6, 2011, hearing.
I’m also interested in Mr. Bunch’s comment that “Rudy Sanchez” is an alias. If that’s true, then what is Rudy Sanchez’ real name, and how exactly did he first come in contact with Terri Horman?
It was also strange to learn that Michael Cook was subpoenaed to testify at the hearing. I’m curious if there were others scheduled to testify as well. I cannot speak to how the Oregon court operates in practice. However, I note that each party provided written affidavits in support of their respective motions.
Is there some reason that Mr. Cook’s statement could only be presented in oral testimony?
I’m not sure I understand Mr. Bunch’s logic in saying “If this is not abated we will not get reciprocal discovery.”
The state is not a party to a dissolution action. In a dissolution action, the parties can seek discovery from each other, and depending on the court rules, from third parties as well.
I’m not sure why Mr. Bunch would have the impression that there would be reciprocal discovery with a third party in a dissolution action, especially when that third party is law enforcement.
There’s a disconnect between Mr. Bunch’s argument that Ms. Horman cannot defend herself because she would incriminate herself in the disappearance of her stepson, and his statement that “If Mr. Horman is really interested in what‘s best for the child, then Mr. Horman wouldn’t object to any visitation by this child’s mother.”
The apparent logic is that Ms. Horman admits that if she speaks, she will incriminate herself in some as-yet-to-be-named crime related to Kyron’s disappearance, yet Mr. Horman is now supposed to trust her to care for his other child, because that’s so obviously in their daughter’s best interest.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for updates.
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Lea Connor, Esq., legal analyst, www.blinkoncrime.com
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@ Word Girl says:
October 11, 2010 at 3:06 am
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It’s pretty easy if you’re close with someone in LE to get things like a traffic ticket or even a DUI arrest expunged from the record–either before or after you pay for it (in the case of a traffic ticket, ex). At least it is here. I’ve had my contacts call me and volunteer to pull a traffic offense; which I would never do just in case I ever decided to run for political office (just joking). It’s no big secret that this is often done.
If Twinkletoes would pop in, she could tell you about the Russian “upstanding businessman” who has managed to get some pretty serious charges obliterated from his record. He has connections to someone pretty high up.
From Koinnews: what they found…
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Search-for-Kyron-Horman-focuses-on-island/cLMQLC0tEUG49jES4aGUgw.cspx
TH’s lawyers possibly mentioned “supervised” visitation with Kitty for several reasons, including: that is all they know they could get right now; it makes TH and her attys seem very reasonable in their requests; and also for TH’s own protection. Remember that the evangelist Billy Graham (a nice looking man in his youth) would NEVER be alone in a room with a woman not his wife? That was so he could never be accused of something inappropriate. I thought that was very smart of him. Same goes for TH at this juncture.
All the attorneys right now are at the point of testing the waters with each other and setting the groundrules for how evidence will be heard. They’re not really yet at the point of wanting to deal with the content/the meat of the matter. I thought Bunch (with the hand of Houze in the background) did a good job of drawing some lines in the sand.
Bunch called a spade a spade: TH will agree to a divorce right now if KH wants a divorce, reserving custody & some other issues till later. But it’s clear, Bunch said, that KH is using the divorce to help LE investigate a criminal case in which TH is a de facto suspect. So, cut the crap guys. The jig is up on that.
And I thought Bunch’s last point was a real whammy: the state (LE, prosecution) doesn’t really want us to have the evidence we could have brought out in the divorce matters brought to light just now–so back off.
In other words, it’s not about the suit money, or other divorce matters yet. It’s about what venue the state’s evidence will come out in. Yes, the state, if KH’s attys push it, will become a DE FACTO party to this divorce proceeding. And if that happens, state employees will be subject to subpoena as witnesses in the divorce (records custodian for 911 calls, etc.) So, the state needs to rethink that. The State can’t have it both ways.
Bunch also laid the groundwork/subtly warned that they can easily cast doubt on the state’s star witness (in both civil and criminal matters for the Hormans): because RS is an alias. And they know all about his INS/ICE problems, of course (it wasn’t necessary to even say that in the memorandum). So, the MFH will go away in the divorce matter, with no evidence probably except the word of an illegal, who uses an alias for possibly some shady reason, and might make up anything to cut a deal to stay in the USA. And once RS has been completely discredited as a witness by TH’s divorce atty, how will he play in the state’s criminal case–about any MFH or anything else??
Unfortunately, I think LE has screwed up this case. LE’s trying to take some investigative short cuts, however well intended, has backfired. And I think so has KH’s legal maneuvering to accomplish the same in the divorce filing. MOO.
Thanks to all who sent me hugs and such about my mood yesterday. I’m in Georgia and the weather here has been beautiful, so it wasn’t rain here that was affecting me. I’m just really depleted.
Wow! At last MCSO is telling the public what they found on Sauvie Island:
“PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — A spokeswoman for the Multnomah County sheriff’s office says a second straight weekend of searching on a Portland island turned up junk piles and deer bones.”
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Search-for-Kyron-Horman-focuses-on-island/cLMQLC0tEUG49jES4aGUgw.cspx
Wish OR could send some of that rain our way. Personally, I could do without, but wish SAR team had better weather. I think they must have a clue b/c they seem so focused on SI.
Another child missing:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101011/ap_on_re_us/us_missing_girl_north_carolina
The father suspects the mother, who is not cooperating with LE. Another sad case!
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39.loreli48 says:
October 11, 2010 at 12:31 pm
I watched that video again. I think KH seems contemplative. Maybe he was trying to decide if he saw this coming in preceding months and suspecting his wife might be involved? There does seem to be distance, if not tension, between TH & KH. It seems odd she would look to DY for comfort when standing right next to her husband. But, I think she was looking for someone to latch onto. As another poster suggested, it wasn’t so much that TH was comforting DY, as she was seeking comfort. When DY didn’t reciprocate, TH tried to comfort herself by rubbing her arm.
I hope the searches on SI will bring a break in the case this week. I think the suspense is getting to be too much for all of us!
Regarding RS’s alleged alias … this is interesting. When you do a search on JE (his brother I believe from previous research), this comes up. Interesting how RS’s name comes up as relatives of two different Jaime’s (different cities, different ages) but with two different names (aliases?). Look at entry #2 (Canby, OR) and the associated relatives and then down below entry #8 under Portland and associated relatives. Appears to be same JE but different names for RS in each.
From experience, as far as I know, the only people who seem to feel they need to use aliases of any sort are those who are trying to evade someone or something or are trying to make something look one way when it’s in fact another. What other reason is there for using one otherwise and why would RS potentially need one? Just something interesting I came across …
http://www.intelius.com/results.php?qf=Jaime&qmi=&qn=Estrada&qc=&qs=OR&trackit=74&ReportType=1
Thinking out loud here…Isn’t it possible that LE finally got their hands on one or more of the bat phones and successfully subpoenaed the cell records? Or perhaps, IF there is a third party involved in Ky’s disappearance that we are not aware of, LE finally caught up with this person and received information from them? Perhaps one of these scenarios is what has caused LE to search particular areas of SI these past two weekends.
I have to say, I haven’t thought about DS much lately. I’m still on the fence with her being involved or just collateral damage, kind of like MC. Just wonder WTH they were thinking!
I’ve been wondering about any possible ties here to BP, WF or LF; and about the possibility that certain persons may have been selling pot for extra cash on the side. It can be quite lucrative from what I’ve been reading. All just MOO.
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32. S says:
October 11, 2010 at 11:38 am (snipped)
Did they attempt to subpoena him and the papers could not be served?
@S- I don’t think TH’s legal team tried very hard to find RS. That said, it is possible for a person to avoid a subpoena server if they suspect one may be looking for them, it’s called hiding, lol.
@beejay- Your post yesterday made me cry again, it was very touching. I wanted to give you a big hug, you are such a good soul.
@nelmel- Huge thanks for sharing all of the photos AND for taking the time to go to all of these places and working so hard to get them, what an extraordinary thing to do.
I typed in Rudy Sanchez in my search. Images came up and below is the heading for a picture of Anselmo that Blink had posted in an earlier article. The site has been removed.
this person is Rudy Sanchez …
http://www.terrihorman.com/2010/07/landscaper-arrested-under-different.html
Argh, I forgot this one!
S says:
October 11, 2010 at 10:21 am
I’m thinking now that it was not her phone that pinged and placed her on SI, but while she was running from one FM to the next and then who knows where, she received a call from someone who was actually on SI.
@S – Yes, this is a really good theory to me. I alluded to the same in my obnoxiously long post last week. Especially since Blink said that LE could know where TH was that day within feet based on her cell pings.
@39.GraceintheHills says:
October 11, 2010 at 2:47 pm
@5.margarete miller says:
October 10, 2010 at 5:49 pm
Love this site -especially the NAME inasmuch as after reading everything I can about this case, I am back to square one. My first reaction: Terry looks scared silly. Her husband: bah!! Full of himself. Also noticed that Terry almost pushed his hand away when he put it around her shoulder. She does despise him. To me, Terri looks fabulous right now. This tells me she is getting her act together and also that she truly was miserable with Kaine.
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Well, I think this begs the question: Why would TMH look so fabulous and put together with her beloved stepson still missing?
If one truly is miserable with one’s spouse, there is another option. It is called divorce.
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Unfortunately, I think she wanted more…she paved the road to divorce with criminal activity involving the possible death of an innocent child in her care. She is one woman hell bent on destroying anyone who gets in her way and so far she has succeeded. I hope all those involved get “due process”.
margarete miller says:
October 10, 2010 at 5:49 pm
Love this site -especially the NAME inasmuch as after reading everything I can about this case, I am back to square one. My first reaction: Terry looks scared silly. Her husband: bah!! Full of himself. Also noticed that Terry almost pushed his hand away when he put it around her shoulder. She does despise him. To me, Terri looks fabulous right now. This tells me she is getting her act together and also that she truly was miserable with Kaine. My opinion. And of course all this factors into Kyron’s disappearance. sigh
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It is interesting to watch the first presser with the sound off. It looks to me like toward the end of the press release that Kaine forcefully grabs Terri’s arm and says something to her. It would be interesting to know what he said. Also the body language of Kaine and Terri seems very different from the body language of Tony and Desiree.
I am brain dead today. IF Blink puts up my last two posts please ignore them. I’ll try again later when I can think again.
Terrific post Jeff D!
@Blink, I knew what you meant, it’s just when I think of that little girl I see my own grandbaby…same age, how attached they are to the people in their lives, the routine of their day to day world…this little girl has been thru soooo much in her short little life that I can’t help but feel she is more than just a little confused. Not just one, but three people that had been there,if not every day, then routinely for her are now gone.
We may not ever know to what degree, if any, TH played in this tragedy and that in and of itself somehow makes a bad situation even worse. If she did master mind this…(I don’t think she did, I think she got WAY in over head) then she shouldn’t be allowed non supervised visitation, but what if she didn’t? I still say her lifestyle is what made this whole thing possible, but I have no proof of that, what if LE doesn’t either?
@Mom, I know you weren’t giving me a hard time! I was just so happy to catch the typo that I did catch that I didn’t take the time to look at the word closer! lolol
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
skyline parent, Do you know if dave stenson is working at the school this year? Rumor is he is getting questioned again….He would have been my first pick to grill….moo
I forgot to add about GK..His first interview hit my gut the wrong way??????????
I was thinking about Lea Conner’s question: “Is there some reason that Mr. Cook’s statement could only be presented in oral testimony?”
And I was thinking that MC might have been subpoenaed just to loiter around for intimidation purposes–a little reminder for TH and her attys. For any hearing or trial, given MC’s background as we know it, surely you don’t want him on the stand for cross-examination. His cell phone evidence might be all they will ever use.
So, my legally and factually uninformed answer to Ms. Conner would be, “No. They just don’t want to put him on the stand.”
Dear beejay says: October 10, 2010 at 4:23 pm …”There is no “justice” for Kyron. What could that even mean?” WOW–just wow.
These last two week-end in P-town have been a mix of emotions. There are those that really, really want Kyron found on SI & those that really, really want him found some where else -BUT-all want him found yesterday/now, if that makes sense ?
Because if the searchers (on SI) find him, he is “found” & if not, than alive ? -or- ? & where – there are no searchers any where else, which means no Kyron.
It is simply a catch – 22.
I read your post yesterday & found no words to express how much your words rang true.
Everyday I think of Desiree, my words bring her no comfort but my heart breaks anyway for her -his “Momma”. Always in my head I hear her words of being @ the “Wall @ Skyline” : (paraphrase) “I like to be here…yes it is hard…but this is the last place he was… I feel close to him…”
[Sorry, do not have or remember what clip where she talks about Kyron & wall]
Normally, we spend time @ SI, since Kyron disappearance we have not gone, nor certain “places” in NW Pltd & we live in NW Pltd, it just does not “feel” right until Kyron comes home.
Thank you for sharing, it expresses what I & many feel.
Be well.
PS. The weather here has cleared & is sunny. May be there will be more searchers out this week &/ or week-end. One can only hope.
Remaining HOPEFUL for Kyron & Desiree.
While I cannot predict who will ultimately hold the responsibility for Kyron’s disappearance, I can predict one thing with a fair amount of confidence: We are going to see a continuing thinning down and glamming up of Terri’s appearance as the months go by.
This statement has no value added to it, in other words, it is a non-issue. So why the heck am I bringing it up? Because it is predictable that a woman in Terri’s position would use everything she has to gain control of the situation (read: build up on the sex appeal). At *least* three men that she has interacted with in the past six months have turned on her. So how do I expect this woman to wield power? Through her physical appeal.
Predictable.
Jeff D….man, you’ve got heart and it shines right through your words. Great post.
Lyla-
KH has said he has Kyron’s backpack & coat BUT LE have the SF project as “evidence”.
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lyla says:
October 10, 2010 at 11:21 pm
“What about Ky’s backpack and coat? I thought Kaine said he and Terri went to the school after they learned Ky was marked absent and picked up the SF project and his backpack and coat…”
15.DEB1948 says:
October 11, 2010 at 7:38 pm
skyline parent, Do you know if dave stenson is working at the school this year? Rumor is he is getting questioned again….He would have been my first pick to grill….moo
16.DEB1948 says:
October 11, 2010 at 7:40 pm
I forgot to add about GK..His first interview hit my gut the wrong way??????????
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I have asked the same questions! he struck me wrong from the get go.
I linked his personal website last week and haven’t found much else on him. I’m with you on this!
Finally located the “2nd chair” (attorney) w/ Rackner @ court on 10/07, from Oregonian
“Rackner’s assisting attorney, >Alex Nowlin<, said they never indicated they'll be compelling testimony from Terri Horman."
Gearing, Rackner & Engel LLP
Attorneys At Law
(Main Office)
Statement of Practice
All areas of Family Law, Appeals, Child Custody, Child Support, Cohabitation Agreements, Conservatorships, Dissolutions, Domestic Partnerships, Domestic Violence, Guardianships, Grandparent Rights, Legal Separations, Parenting Time, Paternity, Prenuptial Agreements, Postnuptial Agreements, Relocation Issues, Spousal Support, Stalking and Restraining Orders, Step-Parent Adoptions, Third-Party Custody and Parenting Time.
Firm Size: 6
Laura E. Rackner (Member) born Minneapolis, Minnesota, September 10, 1956; admitted to bar, 1984, Oregon. Education: University of Oregon (B.S., 1979; J.D., 1984). Deputy District Attorney, Marion County District Attorneys Office. Assistant Attorney General, Oregon Department of Justice. Staff, United States Department of Justice, Office of Chief Counsel, Drug Enforcement Administration. Member: Clackamas County, Multnomah County and Washington County Bar Associations; Oregon State Bar (Member, Family Law Section); Oregon Academy of Family Law Practitioners. Practice Areas: Family Law; Complex Child Custody; Parenting Time; Property Settlement.
"Alex"-
Alexandra Nowlin (Associate) born Norwalk, Connecticut, May 10, 1979; admitted to bar, 2005, Oregon. Education: Colorado College (B.A., Major International Political Economy, 2001); University of Oregon School of Law (J.D., 2005). Member: Multnomah County, Washington County and Clackamas County Bar Associations; Oregon Academy of Family Law Practitioners; Oregon State Bar (Family Law Section). Practice Areas: Family Law.Email:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/terri_horman_willing_to_agree.html
http://www.lawyers.com/Oregon/Portland/Gearing,-Rackner-and-Engel-LLP-3999252-f.html
Cut Oregonian link off post, Sorry.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/terri_horman_willing_to_agree.html
Thought I’d also included TMH legal “team”~
Stephen A Houze
1240 Pacwaet Center, 1211 SW 5th Ave., Portland
Portland criminal defense lawyer Stephen Houze has, for 35 years, maintained an exclusively criminal defense practice in Oregon’s state and federal courts. His practice covers a wide spectrum of serious criminal matters, ranging from death penalty defense, a major federal terrorism case, white collar fraud and environmental cases, drug cases, sexual assault cases, and professional discipline matters
Portland criminal defense lawyer Stephen Houze practices exclusively in the area of criminal defense in both state and federal courts. The primary areas in which his practice is focused are:
Major criminal cases in state and federal courts
Federal white collar fraud and environmental cases
State and federal appeals
Professional licensing discipline cases
Representative Cases
Media Coverage
Jury Acquits Physician in Sexual Abuse Case
By David Holley | The Oregonian | November 19, 2008
Two Oregon Men, Eric Pepin and Jamison Priebe, Cleared of all Sex Charges
By Valerie Gotten | Californian Newswire | February 20, 2008
Blazers’ Randolph Won’t Be Charged
By Maxine Bernstein | The Oregonian | September 21, 2006
Attorney Says Treaty Ignored in Killing Case
By Christine Dellert | The Oregonian | June 27, 2005
MORE MEDIA COVERAGE @ link:
http://www.shouze.com/practice.asp
Laww Firm of Peter Bunch
808 SW 3rd Ave. Suite 570, Portland
Peter graduated from Gonzaga University School of Law in 1993, where he was a Thomas More Scholar and an associate editor of the Gonzaga Law Review. Following graduation, Peter worked for two years as a law clerk for the Honorable Edward Warren of the Oregon Court of Appeals. He then joined the law firm of Kennedy, King, and Zimmer. While at that firm, Peter worked on a variety of cases, including complex environmental litigation, business disputes, attorney and medical malpractice, appeals, and family law.
In 1998, Gary Zimmer asked Peter to join him in forming a new law firm, where Peter worked with Gary in the firm known as Zimmer & Bunch, LLC. In the spring of 2010, Peter decided to open a smaller practice, with a focus on outstanding client service in matters involving family law, including divorce, legal separation, custody, parenting time, support, paternity, third party custody and visitation, the resolution of complex family law property divisions, including business valuation and inheritance issues, interstate family law disputes, grandparent custody issues, and a wide range of other family law disputes. In addition, Peter has an active appellate practice in all areas of civil disputes.
Peter is a fellow of the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers, and has been selected as an Oregon Super Lawyer each year since 2006. Peter is a member of the Multnomah Bar Association, and is a frequent speaker on a wide variety of topics for continuing legal education seminars.
Practice Areas
Divorce
Legal Separation
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Child Custody
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Child Support and Related Issues
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Property Division
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Discovery
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Setting Aside Judgments
Attorney Fees and Costs
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Contempt (disobedience of a court order)
Family Abuse Prevention Act Orders (domestic violence)
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Appeals
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@Blink, I just re-read what you said:
“While I agree James is important of course, I was speaking from a legal argument perspective, in terms of Kiara’s “constant enviornment” she saw everyday.”
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I was under the impression that James was in Kiara’s constant enviorment until he left to go live with his grand-parents, am I wrong in thinking that? I really don’t want to talk about this young man as he is a minor, just the way you put that in quotation marks makes me want to clarify that TH and KH were James’ primary care givers up until he moved or WAS moved in January.
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
Kyron fundraiser continues through Saturday
MULINO –” A fundraiser for Kyron Horman scheduled for last Saturday has been extended through to this Saturday.”
“Bad weather probably kept a number of people from driving out to the Sleepy Ridge Farm in Mulino, said owner Tracy Elbert.”
“Fifty percent of the proceeds from a sale at the nursery will go towards the foundation. The fundraiser sale continues through daily from 10-6.”
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-fundraiser-continues-Saturday–104717959.html
@19.mosaic says:
October 11, 2010 at 8:22 pm
While I cannot predict who will ultimately hold the responsibility for Kyron’s disappearance, I can predict one thing with a fair amount of confidence: We are going to see a continuing thinning down and glamming up of Terri’s appearance as the months go by.
This statement has no value added to it, in other words, it is a non-issue. So why the heck am I bringing it up? Because it is predictable that a woman in Terri’s position would use everything she has to gain control of the situation (read: build up on the sex appeal). At *least* three men that she has interacted with in the past six months have turned on her. So how do I expect this woman to wield power? Through her physical appeal.
Predictable
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Physical appeal. Ah, yes…..Scott Peterson, Ted Bundy, Drew Peterson, Diane Downs, OJ Simpson. I hope the guilty one(s) never forget how appealing they are as they sit in prison possibly on “death row”,, as they grow older.
foobros says:
October 11, 2010 at 11:34 am
“That’s a very good point. LE would have to know who called her that day. Have they interrogated this person and they’re getting nothing?????? After all this time? Argh.”
Idahogal says:
October 11, 2010 at 5:15 pm
“Argh, I forgot this one!
S says:
October 11, 2010 at 10:21 am
I’m thinking now that it was not her phone that pinged and placed her on SI, but while she was running from one FM to the next and then who knows where, she received a call from someone who was actually on SI.
@S – Yes, this is a really good theory to me. I alluded to the same in my obnoxiously long post last week. Especially since Blink said that LE could know where TH was that day within feet based on her cell pings.”
I kept thinking about this during my drive to work which is insanely long. I’m thinking possibly the reason some things have taken so long for LE to investigate is that this phone call TH got from someone who was on SI that day came from a disposable. Those can be traced, but it could be a real bugger.
I will assume that from the call LE/technicians can tell the manufacturer (and possibly some type of identifier akin to the IP address of a computer??) of the phone. LE would need to contact the manufacture to determine where it went from the manufacturer. It could have been sold to a distributor anywhere in the US, then it went on to a retailer. Good news would have been if the retailer was a large chain in the US, but it could have just as well been distributed to a Mom and Pop in Mexico who have weapons behind the counter instead of video surveillance.
Another way to look for the caller would be to track the cards purchased to add time to the phone. With luck, someone purchased time with a credit or debit card. But it doesn’t look like LE had any luck with that either. There are also Mom and Pops who cater to persons of Mexican descent in small towns throughout Oregon and Washington (and probably all states) who also do not have video surveillance and if additional time was purchased for the phone and paid for with cash you get a dead end again. If LE hit this dead end, then it possibly explains why they went back to SI. Maybe the information we heard they got the Wednesday before last was that they would not be getting any information.
I’m thinking this is the information Desiree has implored TH to come forth with. Who called you that day, Terri? Why won’t you say? Are you afraid, stupid, evil or none of the above? Cooperate and tell police who called you that morning.
@21.riverpearl says:
October 11, 2010 at 8:35 pm
Lyla-
KH has said he has Kyron’s backpack & coat BUT LE have the SF project as “evidence”.
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lyla says:
October 10, 2010 at 11:21 pm
“What about Ky’s backpack and coat? I thought Kaine said he and Terri went to the school after they learned Ky was marked absent and picked up the SF project and his backpack and coat…”
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Wow..trying to figure this one out. Why would the SF project be seized as evidence and not the backpack? Did they seize the SF project from the school or Horman home? Bear with me…and TIA.
@pps-rest of ID ? (couldn’t find the posting and don’t remember exact name, Blink, you didn’t you take this one down, did you?)
You said you were up at Skyline today and there is gloomy news. Could you tell us more about that please?
@Idahogal – I am so sorry, I wasn’t referring to the guy(s) at the SF, but the link and guy you put up, Andy Bernal Rios at the MCSO. I said he looks somewhat like “RS” and has the right size and age, could have dyed hair black and sprouted a goatee. Usually I hate it when someone says someone looks like someone else and they haven’t checked the other particulars. I am not saying it is him, but possibly could be.
Re: DHS in Oregon. They LOVE to have people take psych evals and also substance abuse assessments so I am thinking TH does not have a prayer of even getting supervised visitation until these things (and hopefully some treatment) are in place. This could happen mostly in Roseburg too. KH can just ask for it since obviously we aren’t gonna get a quick conviction here. What I see is when people begin to make progress on these issues, then they get supervised visitation. These evals have sub-scales to detect lying, trying to make a good impression, etc. I know they have psychologists who do these assessments with an eye to parenting. THere is some argument (though legal right probably trumps) that Kiara is doing fine without TH around now and to bring her back might upset her, especially when it isn’t know when the longer outcome would be.
I also thought like someone else that TH wasn’t supposed to have contact with any of her children.
Re: TH being preggers, usually there is a puffiness around female’s faces when they are pregnant, though I am not sure about the ones who are sick a lot in the beginning.
Re:Expungement is the only word I have heard in OR (have no idea what happens in other states). People can get their legal records expunged on misdemeanors and arrests (that have no convictions) after 3 years, I think. For a fee of course. I think it is pretty hard to expunge felonies, unless the law changed in there, which it has on a rare occasion. Lucky dogs who got their traffic tickets wiped out! However, nothing goes off you DMV record, that is a different record.
Blink!
Is this Elsy-Im not good at face comparisons and yet this looks to me like it might be Elsy with a little botox in the upper lip and lined eyebrows. Shape of face, Widows peak, nose, bottom lip looks the same.(salem) Arrested 10/08/2010
http://pdxmugshots.com/salem/mug/cinthia-esthefania-sanchez
elsy leanor mejia sanchez
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewCsawDetail&caseNum=1148744&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US
Wouldn’t a woman look her very best at her wedding and her divorce hearing?..:)…humor intended, but helps with a point. We have commented on demeanor and appearance of TH, KH an DY as well; we have seen much more of KH and DY. What does it say and how does it influence us? And inversely what does it say about TH? It would change the views of many were we to see and hear sadness, regret and innocence.
Thanks for the wave mosaic and Eloise. Just a sadly hopeful lurker.
3.beejay says:
October 11, 2010 at 4:20 pm
“TH’s lawyers possibly mentioned “supervised” visitation with Kitty for several reasons, including: that is all they know they could get right now;”
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@Beejay, you’re the best! Love your way of laying things out for us and always look forward to reading your posts.
I would love to be the one selling tickets to that visitation hearing, don’t you know? Especially when Kaine presents evidence of WHY TMH may just not be a very suitable mother right now, and TMH slings mud back at him. Of course, there will be an ad litem for Kiara, and a child psychologist or two appointed who will try to decide what parenting arrangement is in the best interests of this child. This could get very tricky, IMO. Very tricky. God bless and protect that sweet, innocent child.
Of course, mine wears a white hat!]
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Beejay says, “Bunch called a spade a spade: TH will agree to a divorce right now if KH wants a divorce, reserving custody & some other issues till later. But it’s clear, Bunch said, that KH is using the divorce to help LE investigate a criminal case in which TH is a de facto suspect. So, cut the crap guys. The jig is up on that.”
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Oh, God help us all. The worst part about going to court is that there are lawyers there. {Disclaimer: I am married to one, so I have intimate knowledge of that which I speak.
No doubt Bunch wants everyone to think that “that dastardly Kaine” is trying to take advantage of his “poor, beautifully coiffed Damsel-in-Distress”…but come on, folks. Please. Kaine’s son is abducted by some thug(s) and LE tells Kaine that said damsel wanted her Latin lover/lawnmower man to kill Kaine.
Methinks a marriage made in hell…
If I believed for one nanosecond my spouse planned to have me killed, I wouldn’t pussyfoot around about getting a divorce; I would want it NOW. In fact, I *might* pick up a big, heavy cast iron skillet and….
okay, maybe not.
So, I think Bunch trying to second-guess Kaine’s motivations is pretty chickensh*t, but a lawyerly thing to do. But, can any one of us actually blame Kaine for trying ANYTHING to get his beloved son back???? I can’t.
When I hear lawyers get uppity in court when it involves a missing and endangered (possibly deceased) child it makes me want to HURL all over their shiny Italian loafers.
Okay, Beejay and all, now I feel better. Thanks for letting me vent. Forgive the tongue in cheek delivery, but laughing a bit at the lawyers keeps me from crying a river for our dear Kyron.
Hmm, no idea if Dave Stetson is still there. Honestly if he is just mowing the field, I’d really have to be looking for him to know – no reason for him to be inside. I will look and see if he is there on Friday (assuming that’s his usual day)
A couple of thoughts I’m having – I’m not 100% convinced that they didn’t find anything on Sauvie Island. I can no longer find the spokesperson’s exact quote, but it was something like “to my knowledge” they found nothing. Makes me think of all the times the white house purposely keeps the press sec. in the dark so he or she can honestly deny something, when its actually true. So, possibly they don’t tell her what they find so she doesn’t spill it to the press. Maybe this is all just wishful thinking on my part, but its seems like they are awfully fixated on Sauvie Island. I have trouble thinking a cell phone ping is all that’s leading them. I’m sure if they found an actually body, they would announce it, but maybe they would not share it if they found other physical evidence. I can hope, right?
The Albertsons – I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone claim she was at Albertons on June 4. Only that they were asking for tapes. And if I recall correctly they asked for tapes for June 3 and 4. So maybe they aren’t looking for her movement AFTER Kyron went missing, but before? I heard a rumor early on that she bought something suspicious. And that would explain why she might be so far from home – making sure no one would recognize her.
22.riverpearl says:
October 11, 2010 at 8:35 pm
“Lyla-
KH has said he has Kyron’s backpack & coat BUT LE have the SF project as “evidence”.”
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lyla says:
October 10, 2010 at 11:21 pm
“What about Ky’s backpack and coat? I thought Kaine said he and Terri went to the school after they learned Ky was marked absent and picked up the SF project and his backpack and coat…”
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I didn’t realize TH & KH picked up Kyron’s backpack & coat from the school. There was discussion earlier in the investigation as to whether Kyron’s lunch or lunch money was in the backpack. If he had neither, we would have to suspect TH knew in advance that Kyron would not be at school the entire day; and would be gone before lunchtime. I’m very surprised LE did not take the backpack & coat. Those items would also have Kyron’s scent on them.
TH might have had opportunity to remove things from the backpack (and possibly coat pockets) at home, unless KH took Kyron’s belongings into his possession from the beginning and looked through them himself. If so, he could confirm whether or not there was a lunch or lunch money in the backpack. How soon did LE begin camping out at the Horman home? If immediately, they would’ve been present while TH or KH went through the backpack & coat. How observant were they?
I’m wondering if there were opportunities to collect evidence early in the case that were overlooked by LE, and also missed opportunities by LE & KH to observe TH’s actions. It’s so much easier to recognize those opportunities in retrospect, but now those opportunities are forever lost. It seems like so much has worked against our dear little Kyron before and after his disappearance.
Let’s hope things are about to turn around in his favor.
@Jeff D…wonderful post my friend, you are an exemplary model of a good man/good father of which all of your gender should strive.
Your post prompted me to re-watch videos of Terri from the most recent hearing and I do see your observation. I also see a very “schooled” and “rehearsed” demeanor. If she is hiding behind a facade…can we really know what her body language is saying? I felt she showed more of a “practiced attempt to look nonchalant and their hopeful representation of ‘not guilty’ to obscure an actually very fearful woman”.
Thank you again for your sentiments…they warmed my heart and soul.
Prayers for Kyron and his family and all the wonderful people trying to find him and bring those involved to justice.
@beejay says:
October 10, 2010 at 4:23 pm
WOW!
That says it all…JUST a vast, immense & HUGE WOW!
Thank you for sharing…as you always do in so many ways. I’ve never told you before but I so value your thoughts and ideas regarding this case.
This post in particular touched me deeply.
So, thank you from me but ALSO all that love Kyron…you expressed what so many of us feel, I’m sure. So eloquent, and yet very much to the point.
Thank you! Thank you!
I’m incredibly sad for Kyron and his family too.
Continuing to pray he is found very soon.
@DEB1948 “skyline parent, Do you know if dave stenson is working at the school this year? Rumor is he is getting questioned again….He would have been my first pick to grill….moo”
About two weeks ago there was a woman mowing the grass. Getting “questioned” does not imply much. Many of us have been interviewed so often that it starts to feel as if MCSO/FBI is part of our social circle
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Blink,
Can GJ call TH’s Dad or parents? He must know something if he told People mag outright there’s 50/50 chance she’d be arrested?
Could Suit Money be a big clue in the case? Follow the money Theory:
Person who paid $350k suit $ could be a person who knows something, doesn’t want to get caught?
How did it come about that TH employed House? Did TH find House or did House find TH?
Maybe somebody could have made a call to House and said something like: “represent her, I’m paying for it.”
SI Phone pinging: I wonder if Ky was set up that 6/4 day to call TH from a phone on SI, something like, “I’m here, come get me…?”
Why repeated SI searches? Did the Horman’s ever have a dog die? Sad to say, one can google how to bury a beloved family pet, once buried, they say add lime, hard to track.
Blink, please continue to help put the pieces together, the whole thing is so disturbing.
Kozyotb says:
October 11, 2010 at 5:08 pm
I typed in Rudy Sanchez in my search. Images came up and below is the heading for a picture of Anselmo that Blink had posted in an earlier article. The site has been removed.
Kozyotb, are you saying that Rudy and Anselmo are one and the same?
Is an alias and aka the same
you can have a nic name and be aka
yes.
B
@Kozyotb – You can find that ‘story’ here now – http://terrihorman.blogspot.com/2010/07/landscaper-arrested-under-different.html
It’s basically someone who misinterpreted Blink’s post where she had the photo of AS up and wrote up something based on the misinformation.
Not sure why, but that whole site has gone to a blogspot account. Hrm.
snip
“PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — A spokeswoman for the Multnomah County sheriff’s office says a second straight weekend of searching on a Portland island turned up junk piles and deer bones.”
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Does anyone else think that it is strange that after all these months of silence on the part of LE that they suddenly tell us about finding deer bones and junk piles? Why not just say they didn’t find anything? or do their usual and say nothing? Maybe this is a message to someone. MOO
private to Blink:
My post from @9:23 PM last nite is still in moderation, if ya want you can just answer it without posting the actual post…I know my question brings James back up and that’s something neither of us want to do.
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
Karey…I’m not sure if the absence of lunch money would mean anything. Most schools (Pre-K thru 6) are on a system where a child is to learn a number/code to remember when in lunch line with the cashier. Most parents I know of children that age prepay for lunches by sending a check in or online by debit so the child doesn’t have to carry aroud money. This has been in place a while and has cut down on stealing and bullying classmates for their money. But then again, Oregon may be different.
@Midwest Mom: Looking at the photos of Cinthia and Elsy, I don’t think that they are the same people. Cinthia has more of a widow’s peak hairline and their chin -> neck area are different. I can see the similarities, but I do not think the necks would have changed so much.
Just wanted to say Thanks to all the Blinksters here for all of your hard work and research. I’m praying very much today for Kyron. Sweet boy. When I was growing up in the late 60′s you never heard about child abductions or missing children. Now it happens on a daily basis. Times sure have changed and not for the better. Very sad. Love to Kyron. Come home.
@ Whaazupwitchu says:
October 11, 2010 at 10:18 pm
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As to your last paragraph, I wasn’t talking about LEGAL means of getting things removed from your criminal record. There are other ways; that’ what I was referring to.
Did anyone else ponder KATU’s coverage of the weekend’s search?
“…Lt. Mary Lindstrand with the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office said over the weekend. “The message is, again, if someone out there has information about Kyron and his disappearance, we would like you to come forward so we can resolve this investigation and bring Kyron home.”
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The message is, AGAIN?? The message from MCSO? The implicit “message” from all the intensified searching? Or does this simply mean nothing?
Maybe the message is “look how hard we’re searching; all these volunteers giving up their weekends, in the rain; don’t be afraid to come forward with whatever tip you have because we really, really need it. We’re looking everywhere and finding nothing but bones and junk piles.”
It’s obvious she’s not asking the perp to just confess. (unrealistic) There have to be innocent people who are afraid to get involved because they think it would be risky to themselves and their families–I sure would fear that. Or because they don’t want their privacy invaded by the media. Especially if they don’t know if their tip would have real value. That’s who I think she’s talking to. And that’s why I think she finally said what they’re (not) finding.