Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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24.beejay says:
January 12, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Kimberly: have you looked at OR Sec of State’s business registry for Estrada’s? There is one with that exact name; it’s currently Inactive (their bus. registration isn’t up to date; for several years, IIRC).
Here’s the listing. Don’t know if the page will pull up directly, but I assume you know how to search there:
http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_inq.do_name_srch?p_name=ESTRADAS&p_regist_nbr=&p_srch=PHASE1&p_print=FALSE&p_entity
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Looks like the gardening service was just re-updated.
New address also.
If you went to the link I gave a couple of days ago, you saw this about Elsy and her missing kids:
“Officers need help locating 2 missing children that could be with their non-custodial mother, but need that confirmation.”
Non-custodial mother. So figure that in. IF it’s correct that Rudy’s wife and kids were there when Clackamas Cty offcr went to call on them, then, again, Elsy would’ve been estranged from Rudy at the time. And merely visiting at Rudy’s home. So, do you think an estranged wife, visiting her kids, got pissed enough about an officer discussing Rudy and Terri to (come back at a later date and) take off with her kids? Apparently not a woman of endless resources.
link: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Z2hzMk0_JtQJ:kcchildsearch.com/child237.html+http://kcchildsearch.com/child237.html&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
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http://www.missingkids.com (Natl Ctr Missing/Exploited) told me they get their info and updates from whatever LE agency is handling the case. I think their first posting of Elsy & kids was on July 29. (can anyone find it earlier??) Which was 2 days after the felony arrest warrant was issued for Elsy (July 27). Yet, other online sources were posting the kids missing as far back as mid-June. The link in Kansas City is interesting because they say they work with LE. So, LE in Portland (not just DHS–if they were involved earlier) was looking for the kids in mid-June.
enumclawrose says:
January 11, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Justice23
Here is where my logic takes me:
In their investigation of TH, LE sees that she made a 911 call in May about RS. They track him down and through their interrogation find that Elsie is no longer available for questions. Why? She just up and took the kids. Hmmmm.
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Thanks erose — makes a whole lot more sense now. Now I understand why the RS, Elsie and Kids connection is such a big deal to many here. Wonder why LE is taking so long to release anymore info on any of this? Feb 1st is fast approaching … wasn’t the initial deadline set by Staton mths ago when they asked for more money? Was the deadline date moved again once the divorce hearing date was moved back to March? Ov vey … it’s just starting to feel like it may be many more mths before any of these questions has any answers. I really don’t know how much longer I can wait. I feel like we’re being left hanging by a thread. So frustrating! I can only imagine what DY must be going through.
@neighbor: please remember to include in your inquiring about the plaid-shirt man and Asian girl the before-school care parents and kids. I know that a child can be in that program and not attend Skyline (there’s video of one who was there for after-school care, at least, on June 4. She is not Asian.) Just thinking that Skyline parents might not recognize a parent/relative of the extended daycare kids that don’t attend Skyline.
34.MockingbirdSings says:
January 13, 2011 at 3:21 am
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Has anyone gone this direction before and come to any conclusions? I think I have read every word about this case, but it’s still possible I may have missed something already written. If so, I apologize. When I have time, I will try to find out from the state why these 2 business names aren’t registered unless someone here already knows.
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I have constantly had it in the back of my mind what was said
about the RS and the restaraunts in Vancouver. But,
I have explored further and found some unique similarities to business and associated names from Oregon also being found in Long Beach, which us locals are aware isn’t that far from Vancouver, and one can travel either I-5 south or highway 30 through ST Helens, Scappoose etc. BP’s Dad is also a co-owner of a business in Long Beach/Kelso area, the same co-owners were at one time licensed in Oregon with BP’s Dad.
Estrada Enterprises is listed in Wa, Long Beach area.
As are others. Looks like quite a buffet of businesses being opened in a variety of areas. I feel it explains itself quite simply.
Idahogal says:
January 13, 2011 at 11:26 am
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TY, Beejay.
Blink – Can you please advise? Do you believe he has been deported or should I be looking for the SOB on my streets? TIA.
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Haven’t we seen the status of AS-S with ICE custody status change more than a few times in the past 6 months?
ICE claims custody … then not … then in custody again.
I’m far from an expert in this area, but to me that suggests #4 from the list of reasons that beejay listed above:
**#4 Transferred into the custody of another law enforcement or custodial agency.**
Seems I remember a similar discussion a few months ago when AS-S status with ICE had changed like this.
Can’t find the exact posts from back then, but I think the talk was that AS-S was moved around to different agencies (possibly to testify or snitch in other on going investigations) – but was never really back “out roaming the streets a free man”.
Was transferred to another LE custody for their purposes – then back to ICE.
This is all just drawing from my foggy memory of previous discussions here of AS-S coming/going on the ICE list.
But I seriously don’t think AS-S is ever truly out of LE custody. MOO
Hopefully Blink or someone else with the knowledge can confirm.
4.Kimberly says:
January 13, 2011 at 11:41 am
24.beejay says:
January 12, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Kimberly: have you looked at OR Sec of State’s business registry for Estrada’s? There is one with that exact name; it’s currently Inactive (their bus. registration isn’t up to date; for several years, IIRC).
Here’s the listing. Don’t know if the page will pull up directly, but I assume you know how to search there:
http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_inq.do_name_srch?p_name=ESTRADAS&p_regist_nbr=&p_srch=PHASE1&p_print=FALSE&p_entity
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Looks like the gardening service was just re-updated.
New address also.
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@ Beejay, Puzzled and others
At a stand still here, thinking, (lookout , lol) that if JSE or RSE were involved in any area of all of this, They wouldn’t have the means, nor ability to renew any license, Correct?
If they are illegals, they wouldn’t be allowed either, Correct?
I know LE has been down their paths and it just does not make sense to me that if any of the above were true, there would be the ability to renew any license. Am I way off here?
@Kimberly: you asked, “At a stand still here, thinking, (lookout , lol) that if JSE or RSE were involved in any area of all of this, They wouldn’t have the means, nor ability to renew any license, Correct?
If they are illegals, they wouldn’t be allowed either, Correct?”
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Sorry, but WRONG. Wrong, wrong. In Oregon illegals can register a business with Sec. of State.
My guess is also that even when someone (illegal or not) is convicted of a crime, the justice system rarely follows through with the administrative offices of the state that handle business registrations or professional licensing.
So, one less set of restrictions for you in your research.
That
@ Malty, CD, puzzled, enumclawrose
Thanks so much for your feedback. I have been posting sporadically since the beginning of this case. I’m no expert in any field by any means but have just tried to contribute thoughts and ideas as best I could as they came to me. This is the first comment to have gotten so many nods of agreement. This idea that someone involved in the case is an informant or undercover.
So if 5 people all agree does it make it more likely to have some merit to it? I don’t know about that, and perhaps having the answer to that question isn’t really relevant to solving the case but it could be a positive indication that the lack of information available to the public has much more to do with the dynamics of protecting an undercover agent or parallel case than actual lack of information available to LE. It would make me believe that LE is much further along on this case than some of us might fear because of the large amount of time that has passed.
I might have missed her input on this topic in previous discussions but I noticed that at least over the last day or so Blink hasn’t weighed in with any of her thoughts regarding an undercover LE agent or informant. So if Blink isn’t responding does it mean:
1. she’s simply busy on her other cases
2. there isn’t any merit to the theory therefore no response necessary
3. she doesn’t feel that it would impact the case either way so no response necessary
4. she in fact knows through her sources and/or research that there is in fact LE and/or informant involvement but she can not disclose this or speak to it it could have an impact on the case if it were disclosed
10.Kimberly says:
January 13, 2011 at 12:08 pm
At a stand still here, thinking, (lookout , lol) that if JSE or RSE were involved in any area of all of this, They wouldn’t have the means, nor ability to renew any license, Correct?
If they are illegals, they wouldn’t be allowed either, Correct?
I know LE has been down their paths and it just does not make sense to me that if any of the above were true, there would be the ability to renew any license. Am I way off here?
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Nope Kimberly, I’m thinking along the same lines …. let me throw in here … if RS was suspected of being involved or knowing who was involved … wouldn’t he be under survellience or in holding of some kind? how could he just disappear?
I know, I know .. Elsie & kids and then Kyron disappeared … why not a suspect or two.
31.neighbor says:
January 12, 2011 at 11:16 pm
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That’s odd. about a month ago I remember reading a story here, and I even posted about it, regarding a hispanic man that was arrested, driving a lime green car, for allegedly trying to abduct a prostitute and driving her somewhere and trying to strangle and rape her. I will see if I can find my old post about that.
Here is that story , that I mention above.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/12/portland_prostitutes_strangled.html
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Both women picked Roger Salazar-Castillo, 39, out of a photo line up. He was arrested at 1:39 a.m. Tuesday in the area of Northeast 82nd Avenue and Halsey Street. He was found in a green Dodge Neon, bleeding profusely, according to court documents filed Wednesday. He admitted to authorities that the knife was his, and that he had picked up both women earlier that evening for sex.
Malty says:
January 12, 2011 at 4:51 pm
@Bejay
or anyone
what exactly is going under ground?
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@ Malty
Meaning purposely “hidden” so no one can find you or find out about your activities … usually meant to mean illegal or less than savory ones.
Or … if you want the professional dictionary definition:
un·der·ground
/adv., ˈʌndərˈgraʊnd; adj., n., v. ˈʌndərˌgraʊnd/ Show Spelled[adv., uhn-der-ground; adj., n., v. uhn-der-ground] Show IPA
–adverb
1.
beneath the surface of the ground: traveling underground by subway.
2.
in concealment or secrecy; not openly: subversion carried on underground.
–adjective
3.
existing, situated, operating, or taking place beneath the surface of the ground.
4.
used, or for use, underground.
5.
hidden or secret; not open: underground political activities.
6.
published or produced by political or social radicals or nonconformists: an underground newspaper.
7.
avant-garde; experimental: an underground movie.
8.
critical of or attacking the established society or system: underground opinion.
9.
of or for nonconformists; unusual: an underground vegetarian restaurant.
11.beejay says:
January 13, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Sorry, but WRONG. Wrong, wrong. In Oregon illegals can register a business with Sec. of State.
My guess is also that even when someone (illegal or not) is convicted of a crime, the justice system rarely follows through with the administrative offices of the state that handle business registrations or professional licensing.
So, one less set of restrictions for you in your research.
That
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Wow, well that makes me physically ill now.
Rodolfo Sanchez (who Blink says is not “our” RS) registered 3 Muchas Gracias businesses in state of Wash. Looks like this could be a situation where you have company-owned as well as franchise-holder-owned restaurants. Also, many moons ago, IIRC, there’s a big food co. that bought out some of that operation. I want to say something including “SYSCO” in the name. Not sure. I didn’t think it was leading me to Ky, so abandoned and didn’t keep records.
* MUCHAS GRACIAS FRANCHISING LLC
* MUCHAS GRACIAS RESTAURANTS LLC
* MUCHAS GRACIAS SERVICING CORPORATION
Each is a clickable link to the records at:
http://www.sos.wa.gov/corps/search_results.aspx?search_type=simple&criteria=all&name_type=starts_with&name=muchas+gracias&ubi=
Non-custodial mother. So figure that in. IF it’s correct that Rudy’s wife and kids were there when Clackamas Cty offcr went to call on them, then, again, Elsy would’ve been estranged from Rudy at the time. And merely visiting at Rudy’s home. So, do you think an estranged wife, visiting her kids, got pissed enough about an officer discussing Rudy and Terri to (come back at a later date and) take off with her kids? Apparently not a woman of endless resources.
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my reading of this by Beejay says … Elsie did not live with kids and hubby. Instead of Elsie disappearing with kids … maybe kids hidden, and Elsie is disappeared?
So what could have happened
did Terri decide to help RS get his kids back?
FYI from KATU late yesterday aftn:
“Presiding Judge Keith Meisenheimer tells us both Kaine and Terry have agreed to continue the abatement for another three months. The disposition was expected to start this month….
…We do not yet know what judge is taking over the case. However, we are being told Meisenheimer will be brought in as a “senior judge” for the Horman divorce case.”
http://www.katu.com/news/local/113144919.html
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Presiding Judge Keith Meisenheimer?
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Governor Announces Appointment to Multnomah County Circuit Court
(Salem) – Governor Ted Kulongoski today announced that he is appointing Kathryn Villa-Smith to the Multnomah County Circuit Court. Judge Villa-Smith will fill the vacancy created by the retirement of Judge Keith Meisenheimer on January 1, 2011.
So Judge Keith Meisenheimer is not retired? Has someone told Governor Ted Kulongoski this?
How can judge Meisenheimer make rulings for Multnomah County if he is not a sitting judge?
10.zeus says:
January 11, 2011 at 7:31 pm
Amy’s Sister says:
January 11, 2011 at 11:45 am
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Oh Amy’s Sister-your story about that little girl has me crying! Why in the hell are things like that allowed to happen? I want to find her and promise her that somehow, it will all be okay and she will be protected. And none of us can do that… Why can’t anyone help her-why?
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Not only sad, weird like the twilight zone.
A book could and should be written. There’s so much more to the story… two different grandparents spent almost all their retirement savings trying to help both this girl and her brother. An absolute travesty.
Hi everyone, still watching, reading here & trying to not die of flu.
beejay, I am trying to reconcile what you said a couple of days ago about AS-S.. when I first read the description, I thought you were going to say it was Jaime who had learned to blend into the legit business community.
I’ll try to find the quote later, but if you remember, maybe you could comment?
I am totally baffled by AS-S’ disappearance from ICE detention. Even if he was allowed to take VD (Voluntary Departure) I didn’t think it would be quite that quick, but I suppose it could be. If he did, it would mean he is outside the US now.
Remember all that his rape conviction is for his then 14 y/o baby mama, just like enumclawrose says at January 13, 2011 at 4:18 am (another case).
***e-rose, you have made some amazing posts this week.. and Kimberly, Mockingbird and so many others.
While we are on the RSE and JSE connections here, I think some are getting re-mixed up. That N Polk address has come up before and I think it is a different person. If you notice the biz listing, it gives a female middle name, which means this person could be a female Jamie, not a male one.
Hope I’m doing this right….
re: posts from Idahogal, Neighbor & Kimberly
Kimberly said “IIRC, Weren’t you the poster who was asking about a lime green car a few pages back? The reason I ask is because I remember seeing someone posting about that, but don’t remember why or what the specifics about a green car were.
1. @Kimberly, yes that was me. An old rumor is that an unidentified lime green car was in the main parking on Jun/4. Sorry, I have no idea where I read this. Please take it with a grain of salt.
Actually it was me that brought up the lime green car & followed up with NOT a VW nor @ Skyline. Something that I saw in outer SE & near 162nd about 2 weeks after KyH’s disappearance.
31.beejay says:
January 12, 2011 at 12:13 pm
If Blink will allow this, I just want to refer you guys to the comments made by the students of an Oregon teacher who’s been indicted on child porn charges, held in Wash county jail. Because we need to see how much they trusted him, and are still defending him, despite the charges. And one student granting him “a mistake” even assuming he is found guilty as charged.
While I admire his students’ compassion, they’re very young in the development of their judgment skills. Read and weep:
http://www.beaverjournal.com/2010/12/24/sherwood-man-charged-with-possession-of-child-pornography/
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The comments left, many of them by adults, are an indication people have little concept of the damage done by child pornography.
They are not thinking about the babies who are hurting on the other side of those images.
Reminds me of the comments people say when they find out their neighbor is a murderer or rapist… “He seemed like such a nice guy!”
23.anonanon says:
January 13, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Hope I’m doing this right….
re: posts from Idahogal, Neighbor & Kimberly
Kimberly said “IIRC, Weren’t you the poster who was asking about a lime green car a few pages back? The reason I ask is because I remember seeing someone posting about that, but don’t remember why or what the specifics about a green car were.
1. @Kimberly, yes that was me. An old rumor is that an unidentified lime green car was in the main parking on Jun/4. Sorry, I have no idea where I read this. Please take it with a grain of salt.
Actually it was me that brought up the lime green car & followed up with NOT a VW nor @ Skyline. Something that I saw in outer SE & near 162nd about 2 weeks after KyH’s disappearance
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Besides the car, what else did you see?
was it something in particular that made you take note?
12.Sammy says:
January 13, 2011 at 12:07 pm
@Sammy- Yes, as I’ve said B4, AS-S is a slippery little sucker. I’ve often been nervous when he’s disappeared. Now that we know his charges were dropped and he was allegedly awaiting deportation in Tacoma, I’m wondering about the whole thing again. Shouldn’t he have been sent home a long time ago? I don’t know how long these things take. And you are correct, we really don’t know if any of that is fact. Maybe he is snitching around again, IDK. Makes me nuts!
Seems we have lost Riverpearl, Skyline parent, Jackie Bauer and others lately. SM is pretty quiet, too. Huge sigh…I so desperately want to think that Ky is out there alive and being treated well. The not knowing is terrible, I cannot look at his pictures without getting tears in my eyes and feeling sick. I will just keep praying. I wonder what, if anything, might happen on Feb. 1st? It would seem that MCSO and/or the DA will have to do or say something by then. I cannot believe it has been so long. I’m so glad for Blink and all of you here that care so much.
@Puzzled,
Nope Kimberly, I’m thinking along the same lines …. let me throw in here … if RS was suspected of being involved or knowing who was involved … wouldn’t he be under survellience or in holding of some kind? how could he just disappear?
I know, I know .. Elsie & kids and then Kyron disappeared … why not a suspect or two.
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Exactly!!!! but,,,,, according to Beejay, she mentions above that even if they are in fact illegal, they can still register a business.
Ok, ok I get that now, but,,,,with the updated business registry of the “garden maintenance” under the E last name, it shows me that someone is not in fact in custody or disappeared!!!
23.MockingbirdSings says:
January 12, 2011 at 8:53 pm
b – I could use a disguise – a subtle one, such as make-up to change some features slightly or hide a noticeable blemish, etc. Changing from a cap to a hat, adding or removing glasses, and reversing a jacket are easy distractions.
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what if there were 2 guys … similiar in stature and appearance … could be brothers … similiar but enough difference that no two witnesses could make an ID
We’ve thought that maybe TH had received a note when getting back into the truck @ school … but what if it was a disposable cell phone? and she received a call giving her instructions on where to go?
Wasn’t there a “bat” phone purchased that afternoon by someone? and then of course, the next week, there were several.
Maybe she was instructed to do this as way of communicating.
Wasn’t LE looking for disposed of cells in the terrain where TH said she drove that morning?
cd says:
January 13, 2011 at 2:15 pm
So Judge Keith Meisenheimer is not retired? Has someone told Governor Ted Kulongoski this?
How can judge Meisenheimer make rulings for Multnomah County if he is not a sitting judge?
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The reporting via the MSM in this case has been maddening at times.
At times the same stories are reported with very different + conflicting facts – on the same day – depending on if you read the KATU or KGW or KPTV, O-LIVE etc.
Or … many, many times in this case articles have been in print in the news or heard on broadcast – but if you try to find them later, the facts have often been changed from the original report or the entire article/report is just gone and never existed.
At the beginning of this case I thought I was losing my mind b/c I KNEW I had read something specific from one of the PDX media … then when I would go back to quote it or look at it a week or so later – just “poof” story gone or many facts changed from original.
I finally learned that lesson and started doing screen shots of reports that I thought I might want to look at again in the future. (if I can just locate them in my saved pile when needed I’d be all set. hehe)
I don’t know if that’s the case (weird reporting) with Judge M’s questionable retirement /replacement with Gov. appointed Judge Villa-Smith- VS- todays announcement that he’ll be the “senior judge in the Horman case” or not, but could be.
The news story just a few days ago clearly stated that Judge M’s retirement date was effective Jan 1st and Judge Villa-Smith would fill that seat and she would take over the Horman divorce case.
Now today a 180 degree story that puts him as “senior judge”?
WTH is a “senior judge”? (is this just an advisory position?)
As you mentioned, how can Judge M make any rulings if he is not THE judge occupying that seat?
Since the Gov appointed Villa-Smith to that seat … how can Judge M also share that position?
Makes no sense. MOO
I’m still holding onto the 2nd white truck … I just remember, can’t link, TH being agitated by the continued questioning of where she parked her white truck that AM and mention of a white truck in the back.
I’m also very suspicious of two men involved … if RS is MIA, wonder if JE is as well? anyone call any of the business phone numbers lately?
I raised this some pages back .. no one responded .. do we even know if RS is THE landscaper TH was involved with?
27.anonanon says:
January 13, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Hope I’m doing this right….
re: posts from Idahogal, Neighbor & Kimberly
Kimberly said “IIRC, Weren’t you the poster who was asking about a lime green car a few pages back? The reason I ask is because I remember seeing someone posting about that, but don’t remember why or what the specifics about a green car were.
1. @Kimberly, yes that was me. An old rumor is that an unidentified lime green car was in the main parking on Jun/4. Sorry, I have no idea where I read this. Please take it with a grain of salt.
Actually it was me that brought up the lime green car & followed up with NOT a VW nor @ Skyline. Something that I saw in outer SE & near 162nd about 2 weeks after KyH’s disappearance.
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@anonanon- Sorry, my bad, I didn’t know about your inquiry. We DID discuss the green VW a looong time ago, that is what I thought she meant. And I didn’t say “Yes, that was me” becuase it wasn’t. Also, neighbor has been asking about a green car, too. Seems we have a thing about green cars now, LOL. See below:
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neighbor says:
January 12, 2011 at 11:16 pm
neighbor said “Sorry to keep asking for pointers, but I have trouble finding Tony Phipps in the RSO registry. I would be interested in finding what car he drives. I saw somebody in a lime green car at a school yesterday that looked like him.”
Kimberly says:
January 13, 2011 at 12:50 pm
31.neighbor says:
January 12, 2011 at 11:16 pm
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That’s odd. about a month ago I remember reading a story here, and I even posted about it, regarding a hispanic man that was arrested, driving a lime green car, for allegedly trying to abduct a prostitute and driving her somewhere and trying to strangle and rape her. I will see if I can find my old post about that
Suppose this with me: Rudy has an associate who speaks English well. Who can shave and clean up nicely. Who’s smart enough to cooperate with a federal agency in busting some drug dealers, and good enough with people to manipulate his way through a dicey maneuver. We know that RS knows/is possibly related to a Sanchez with that profile. We also are told that particular associate was in jail on June 4. But, WHAT IF Rudy had another associate with a similar profile, who also happened to be a pedophile. Are you with me???
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“We know that RS knows/is possibly related to a Sanchez with that profile.”
or an Estrada??
RUDY-GO-ROUND
This is what I have learned; Rodolfo Sanchez is a/k/a/ Rodolfo Estrada. Why? Because his family name is Sanchez-Estrada. When I do a search on any of the name finders, I type in Sanchez-Estrada and it pretty much tells me who is related to that family. I guess there could be another Sanchez-Estrada family, but it helps to refine the primary search, keeping in mind that other Sanchez-*, Estrada-*, *-Sanchez and *-Estrada could be related.
RS is Rodolfo Sanchez-Estrada and you can spell Rodolfo R O D O L P H O, but posters here have stated they know RS has another alias. Is there any other alias we know of? (I’ll get to Ubaldo in a minute).
RS has a brother, Jaime Sanchez-Estrada who started Clean Factor after his brother made news in the MFH plan. He uses the name of Jaime Estrada (can you blame him?). On the internet, Jaime is affiliated with a lot of professional websites and the Nazarene Church. He and RS have shared the PO Box and a physical address.
There are two Ublado’s with middle initials, F and R. Searching Sanchez-Estrada, the Ubaldo hit is “R”. The way the names can get switched around, it could be that RS’s name is Rodolfo Ubaldo Sanchez-Estrada, and it appears as Ubaldo R Sanchez, however this name is shown as an associate, not an a/k/a. Of course those sites aren’t perfect. Ublado F, on the otherhand could be the same man as the Ubaldo Fernandez-Sanchez that pops up.
On the last thread, I posted relatives whom I believed were RS’s brothers and sisters, due to the hit on the Sanchez-Estrada family name. IIRC Ramiero, Roberto, and a couple of others and two females, one of which shared not only the Sanchez-Estrada name, but also was listed as Sanchez-Sanchez, possibly wife of Freddy Sanchez-Sanchez a/k/a AS-S.
My take away at this point is:
Can we find a SO in the bunch?
Can we find a link to Elsie and her non-custodial kids?
Why did Blink point us towards RS and assocaites?
Does the profile of SZ fit in to any of this?
(This still feels like round hole, square peg.)
puzzled says:
January 13, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Elsie did not live with kids and hubby. Instead of Elsie disappearing with kids … maybe kids hidden, and Elsie is disappeared?
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Yes, but the million dollar question is … why would Elsie (or Rudy himself?) want to disappear or hide his own kids? From what or who?
Hey Blink,
Remember that game, don’t know the name, where someone says if you are getting hotter, warmer, cooler or colder to something? Just sayin’, we would love it if you would play.
Affectionately I say, I really doubt it, for the time being, I think y’all have got what “I got”.
B
With all the porn-related arrests and drug-related inklings some keep tossing around I thought I’d post this in case anyone missed it from the past. Wasn’t it beejay that has often found Canby connections/addresses linked to some of our research? If it’s not beejay, please refresh my memory as to who it was so I can give them appropriate credit for the comment. Sorry … can’t remember off-hand now who first mentioned potential Canby connections.
Any possible link to all the other recent arrests at all?
http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2010/05/canby_steroid_suppliers_cooper.html
Canby steroid supplier’s cooperation with FBI spreads investigation to other law enforcement agencies, including Portland
Published: Monday, May 03, 2010, 9:20 PM Updated: Tuesday, May 04, 2010, 8:28 AM
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In a letter submitted to a Clackamas County judge Monday, FBI Special Agent Christopher Frazier said that Traverso has discussed his drug distribution activities in detail. “The public safety employees identified by Traverso included law enforcement officers, corrections officers, fire and rescue personnel and university public safety officers,” Frazier wrote, “Several spin-off FBI public corruption investigations were initiated as a result of these allegations, and are ongoing.”
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Not sure where the posters we are missing (Riverpearl, et al) hail from, but I am in AZ and the recent events have indeed kept me from checking in here. For some reason, though, coming here today was important to me. I needed some semblance of routine again. Although the shootings here were not about me or you specifically, they affect all of us. And in a roundabout way, Kyron’s case does too. Humanity. We could be better at it…
love and warmest regards from the AZ desert. Still here for Kyron.
I’m very interested in Ubaldo (of Ubaldo & Maria Guadalupe Sanchez). Points of interest for you researchers:
1) At white pages, remember that Elsy was shown as a “Household member” and she was the only one that was? Well, she’s been replaced. Now listed under “Associated people” is Alexandra Sanchez. Go look:
http://www.whitepages.com/dir/woodburn-or/sanchez/ubaldo
2) Has anyone seen this Alexandra as a relative of Ubaldo/Maria before? Did you save it? Any other info of interest? Radaris.com shows her (aka: Alex) as relative of Maria. AND, there are alias names for Maria, which might create leads for us:
Guadalupe Sanchez, 49
Aliases
Guadalupe M Sanchez
Maguadalup Sanchez
Maguadalupa Sanchez
Maria Guadalupe-Sanchez
Woodburn, OR; Gervais, OR; Ridgecrest,CA
Relatives:
Alex Sanchez, Alexandra Sanchez, Anna Sanchez, Esperanza F Sanchez
Link: http://radaris.com/p/Maria/Sanchez/OR/
3) So, who is this Esperanza F Sanchez? Anyone remember him from earlier?
Look at all his alias names:
Benito F Sanchez
(Age 42)
Associated Names:
Ramon F Sanchez
Benito Sanchez Fernandez
Fernandez Luis Sanchez
Fernandez Ramon Sanchez
Fernandez U Sanchez
Benito Sandchez
Fernandez Esperanza Sanchez
From: http://www.peoplefinders.com/search/searchpreview.aspx?utm_source=123people&utm_campaign=pubrec&utm_content=name&fn=ben&ln=sanchez&state=OR
4) At the same link immediately above, is the whole clan of relatives, all the right ages:
* Alexandra Sanchez (Age 39)
* Alfredo S Sanchez (Age 38)
* Anna Sanchez
* Maria Guadalupe Sanchez (Age 50)
* Ramon E Sanchez
* Salvador M Sanchez (Age 79)
* Benito Sanchezfernand (Age 42)
* Ubaldo Sanchezfernand (Age 49)
5) Benito has lived in Georgia, both Loganville and Monroe (practically adjoining small towns). Months ago I posted that Ubaldo had bought a tractor (a few yrs ago, IIRC) and financing was thru the dealer in another GA town, not too far from those above. I thought he bought it in OR and I was seeing just the dealer’s financing paper. Could be. Or did he (or a family member) buy it in GA?
More names, more questions. No one is done here yet.
Makes you hot, and us hot by association. TY.
Affectionately I say, I really doubt it, for the time being, I think y’all have got what “I got”.
B
@DesertGirl
Condolences to you and your state.
We’re not very nice to one another, are we. “Humanity. We could be better at it…”
For consideration, I offer a most plausible detail to SZ description -Abused as a child.
If we’re at the same place as B … and LE is looking back at us because they’re at the same place as well … add this as the latest from True Nelson …
…”I don’t believe the current status of this investigation can continue too much longer. Law enforcement will be obligated to both name a suspect and proceed forthwith; or they will be required to admit the case has grown cold, principal leads exhausted, and that they will be largely relegated to waiting for a break in the case. Although, the latter part of that sentence will not be phrased in that particular way. More likely, “We have not identified a suspect or suspects, but we are actively investigating all leads relevant to this investigation, and we will continue to do so for the indefinite future. We have not given up hope.”…
yikes!!!
10.zeus says:
January 11, 2011 at 7:31 pm
Oh Amy’s Sister-your story about that little girl has me crying! Why in the hell are things like that allowed to happen? I want to find her and promise her that somehow, it will all be okay and she will be protected. And none of us can do that… Why can’t anyone help her-why?
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Amy’s Sister says:
January 13, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Not only sad, weird like the twilight zone.
A book could and should be written. There’s so much more to the story… two different grandparents spent almost all their retirement savings trying to help both this girl and her brother. An absolute travesty.
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That story made me cringe too. A judge involved no less?! Who was this judge? Couldn’t the family have gone to the media somehow to have publicized somehow (or gotten an attorney?) what the judge and his cronies were doing to this little girl in order to help her? I would think the judge/others involved would think/feel differently if their secrets were suddenly outed and known to the general public/media. With media onto them, wouldn’t they essentially then have to stop their sick dealings in order to not bring any extra attention to themselves and as a result possible criminal charges?
Here’s another route outside of the immediate family …
What about the school filing some report instead on the family’s behalf? Kind of like their liason because the family’s hands were tied? By law, if the school/teachers see/hear/notice something, they are obligated by law to report it. Couldn’t the family have gone to the school for help in some way? Even maybe trying to get the school to notify authorities/media on their behalf to keep their name out of it? There has to be some way to help this little girl and if she as acting out sexually when the family saw her at home, I would guess it is in some way very likely that eventually that behavior might rear it’s ugly head at school in some form as well, no?
beejay says:
January 13, 2011 at 5:44 pm
More names, more questions. No one is done here yet.
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The sheer number of possible names/alias names/variations of names that seem intentionally twisted to hide something for nefarious purposes (MOO) is just crazy.
Also the incredible volume of supposed business operations that are registered by a few of these people over the past few years (a relatively short time period) is wild.
I salute all you here that have been so dedicated to following this trail … beejay, Kimberly, E-Rose, puzzled, justice23, IdahoGal and so many other great sleuthers!
Something is stinky about all this.
Why would anyone have the need for this many different personal names and changes of business names over a few year time period?
If someone is a respected law abiding business person in a community – they would WANT to keep their name the same and their biz name the same.
Yeah … something’s stinky.
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enumclawrose says:
January 13, 2011 at 5:51 pm
Makes you hot, and us hot by association. TY.
Affectionately I say, I really doubt it, for the time being, I think y’all have got what “I got”.
B
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E-Rose,
Good try with the “you’re getting warm, warmer, hot …” game invite to Blink.
Made me smile today.
I agree with Blink is hot. (hot on the trail of those trying to evade or impede justice to real victims!)
Just read Blinks new piece on the first page about the Baez + Cheney clown team.
It’s wonderfully snarkful BOC.
OK, I’m puzzled. When I google to this “Full list” of 2010-11 teachers Paul Mastin is listed
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/179.htm
when I click on staff on the left, his name is omitted
is he at Skyline this year?
in March 2009 BOE Minutes say he was made a 2nd yr probationary teacher for 09-10.
In March 2010, he is not on the BOE Minutes list for 3rd year pro tcher, or anything else, like Porter & Terrones
but, if he was ever on the Skyline 2010-11 staff list, he must have been reappointed.
In 2008, ratemyteachers had scores from Meadow Park Middle, Beaverton PSD
father’s obit in 2008 has him single
all this because I revisited “the list” to see who MM is (duh, I got it finally, but got curious about the man with two M names). Which brings to mind any employee terminated from PPS at Skyline could have acted out a grudge.
Any sleuthers with panache, I have a question on the prior pg, also same a week ago, if anyone knows the answer.
Beejay
Here ya go, see if this helps.
http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=ANNA&mn=&ln=SANCHEZ&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&city=&state=OR&age=&vw=&Search=&Input=
http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=&mn=&ln=estrada&city=&state=OR&vw=Pib&Search=Pib&Input=Name&Image1.x=42&Image1.y=29
here is a couple more for others who may want to look around.
http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=&mn=&ln=sanchez&city=&state=OR&vw=Pib&Search=Pib&Input=Name&Image1.x=60&Image1.y=10
Who here thinks that the task force will have actually NEW information by February 1st?
I’m thinking that this date might not wash with the rescheduling of the divorce/abatement hearing. Staton seemed to time his task force time frame to the Jan. 7 date — end of January or Feb. 1st would be a deadline that fit well with anything that came up in the originally scheduled 1/7/10 court appearance.
I just believe that he was counting on having something break for him via the Family Court activity and now, that is no longer going to happen until March.
47.Sammy says:
January 13, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Something is stinky about all this.
Why would anyone have the need for this many different personal names and changes of business names over a few year time period?
If someone is a respected law abiding business person in a community – they would WANT to keep their name the same and their biz name the same.
Yeah … something’s stinky.
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this is what I want to know … and also, where do they get the start up money for so many businesses?
BTW I am not ignoring the Sanchez tribe, it just seems well covered. I had inferred Blink’s posture was the abduction was sexually motivated but by whom remained to be ruled out: Terri plus a vampire of unknown origin, a Sanchez with or without Terri’s involvement; a SZ so profiled, and so on