Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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@ Beejay,
Do you by any chance have an age for the Alex your mentioning above?
I have one in vancouver, did business as a company called Telcotips LLC. Not in business anymore.
I have an Anna who owns Anna’s LLC and has an address in Beaverton.
none of Anna’s stuff checks our for me on google or business registry.
Nevermind beejay,
It was staring me right in the face, and wouldn’t you know it I didn’t see it.
I see the age you posted now.
Seems many still wonder about SF photo, Mystery Man:
neighbor says:
January 12, 2011 at 11:16 pm
@beejay, …To know if MM/they are on list….Nobody that I know recognized MM. This year, I have been at school every day, but have not seen MM…
Neighbor,
Please do let us know what you find out in your to follow up on MM.
beejay says:
January 13, 2011 at 11:49 am
@neighbor: please remember to include in your inquiring about the plaid-shirt man and Asian girl the before-school care parents and kids. I know that a child can be in that program and not attend Skyline (there’s video of one who was there for after-school care, at least, on June 4. She is not Asian.) Just thinking that Skyline parents might not recognize a parent/relative of the extended daycare kids that don’t attend Skyline.
Please do let us know what you find out in your to follow up on Plaid shirt Man and dark-haired girl; is she Asian or could she be Hispanic?
Blink,
Re: Landscaper Vehicle Registration
At one time you mentioned you may know to whom RS vehicle or van is registered, in Washington State, IIRC.
Maybe this could help narrow things given numerous business names under consideration.
Sammy says:
January 13, 2011 at 6:58 pm
beejay says:
January 13, 2011 at 5:44 pm
More names, more questions. No one is done here yet.
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sheer number of possible names/alias names/variations of names that seem intentionally twisted to hide something for nefarious purposes (MOO) is just crazy.
…incredible volume of supposed business operations that are registered by a few of these people over the past few years (a relatively short time period) is wild.
2.puzzled says:
January 13, 2011 at 7:36 pm
47.Sammy says:
January 13, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Something is stinky about all this.
Why would anyone have the need for this many different personal names and changes of business names over a few year time period?
If someone is a respected law abiding business person in a community – they would WANT to keep their name the same and their biz name the same.
Yeah … something’s stinky.
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this is what I want to know … and also, where do they get the start up money for so many businesses?
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My guess is on Drugs!
MOO
5. Changes….done a lot I think in my region to enable small bus owners to qualify for minority preferences for gov’t contracts, esp DOD & Homeland Security Ks that are plentiful. Havent reviewed what the SBA preferences are lately tho. But you need to think crossculturally re minority businessmens’ incentives For example, surveyors across the street at a school told me they had a public school contract as they are a minority owned firm. Their minority preferences have kept the business alive in the recession. Maybe each business hits a contracts ceiling, so have to incorporate with a new name
IIRC, Staton’s deal was to update the county commissioners every quarter on progress of this case. Remember, his claim to fame is his financial background and he’s under a lot of pressure politically because of that.
I think that Staton and Shrunk (DA) will both be under pressure to try someone for something eventually. I believe that what we’ve interpreted as being tight-lipped on their part actually reflects a lack of evidence. Anything going on with the grand jury now, BTW?
So, I think True Nelson’s latest (thanks, puzzled) is right, except that I believe they’ll drag it out as long as possible–longer perhaps than Nelson suggests. I think we’ll get no real substance out of Staton on Feb. 1. Maybe more confusing hints as in the past, and we’ll over-interpret the heck out of it, asking “wonder exactly what he meant by that….”
What I hope, OTOH, will happen, is that someone will remember–or ‘fess up–who was going in and out of the school in the weeks before June 4. Possibly after hours, legitimately. Possibly after hours taking advantage of someone carelessly leaving an unwatched entry. IDK.
I don’t think TH and the girls had the bat phones till after Houze was hired and I believe her when she said it was at the suggestion of the “investigator”, which I take to be Houze’s PI. I don’t think she has a clue where Ky’s body is. And IF this was a sexual predator who did it, it took a lot of balls to do it. And that scares me. I’m afraid that level of brash criminality could go along with someone who would destroy the victim’s body. (Blink, wasn’t that your unspoken fear in the OT post about the woman who used the blow torch on the child?? It was mine.)
Anywho, when our streets thaw tomorrow, I have to get busy taking care of some family matters and my dear mom, who is a new widow. I hope by Feb. 1 Staton announces something fantastic and proves me to be just a nervous, negative Nellie. If not, then we still have work to do.
MockingbirdSings, I loved what you said about the crimes not being forgotten and time being on our side–not the criminals. Sassifras at SM picked up that whole post and posted it there. TY for it.
I still check in daily, but have nothing to contribute.
Hmmm interesting article
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/portland_child_sex_trafficking.html
January 13, 2011 at 12:02 pm
@34.MockingbirdSings says:
January 13, 2011 at 3:21 am
snip)
Has anyone gone this direction before and come to any conclusions? I think I have read every word about this case, but it’s still possible I may have missed something already written. If so, I apologize. When I have time, I will try to find out from the state why these 2 business names aren’t registered unless someone here already knows.
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I have constantly had it in the back of my mind what was said
about the RS and the restaraunts in Vancouver. But,
I have explored further and found some unique similarities to business and associated names from Oregon also being found in Long Beach, which us locals are aware isn’t that far from Vancouver, and one can travel either I-5 south or highway 30 through ST Helens, Scappoose etc. BP’s Dad is also a co-owner of a business in Long Beach/Kelso area, the same co-owners were at one time licensed in Oregon with BP’s Dad.
Estrada Enterprises is listed in Wa, Long Beach area.
As are others. Looks like quite a buffet of businesses being opened in a variety of areas. I feel it explains itself quite simply.
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The state corporation division doesn’t have the staffing to go after businesses that don’t register. Or for that matter business in Oregon that have let their renewal go by the way side. I have asked about other businesses that aren’t registered (not related to this case). I have known one local case where the person had many business entities and not all of them were registered with the state.
Terri and husband 2 had a restaurant in Aloha
that closed down
What you want to bet she knew these
Sandez a long time and RS was no stranger
Landscaper
and knew Elsy
The whole clan
Can someone like Bejay find what happened
To that restaurant and if it was Mexican
Food
I don’t think these are law biding business
Or some are some are not
Places open up over here have strange
Stuff to sell or a service then
Gone over night
We just figure it is a cover
Awake coughing, as I have been for 3 weeks, it came to me stimulus $ was pushed out to cities & states about GB’s last term, & since. Tgeses govt entities also have minority preferences. A lot of road work around here has also involved road landscaping. Thinking about Ubaldo’s nursery supply. I think lists are kept of firm names and how much K $ they get. An incentive to have multiple corp arms
@cd. Sr judges do try cases in retirement. I doubt he planned this at the time of retirement announcement. I imagine the new appointee once on the bench saying “I’m not inheriting this mess. Please finish it off.” Thus the freah announcement not made originally.
You know, maybe the new Judge got Rackner to agree to another 3 month abatement–when she fought the first one– by saying, “You agree & Meisenheimer will keep the case.”
John Dahne, on “the List,” lives on Skyline Blvd w/wife Barbara–ages 58 & 56. Listed as donors to Portland’s Families With Children From China (kudos on quality of local chapter there) in 2005 & 2006. Their Chinese daughter likely right age for Kyron’s class. My google images on cell hard to manage to check his pic, but age is right for MM. Allan Luethe on “the List” appears to be a female, with a goat business.
@ Rose – i recall reading it too and had similar question right away about two young brothers deceased. Does anyone recalls as to the cause/s of their death?
“I can no longer find the link, and dont know how to find my posting of that link to this material of a week ago perhaps, when I asked where the esteemable Christopher Neil Horman fits in the family. This is background noise, but the full article I’d found at that time recounted story details I no longer find on line. Christopher said 2 older bros of his family of 4 bros are deceased (how?). He recounts a father so emotionally abusive he had to move out to his sister’s. Father had zero tolerance for a jobless vet with depression, severe anxiety, , physical injuries & ptsd. Said he was spitting on his brothers’ memories”
Seth Isenberg, on the List, is married to Amber Keyser also attending. His pic in Dec 26 entry here bears no resemblance to MM. Interesting, on same link, is a pic of him coaching U8 Skyline soccer boys
http://isenberguncertaintyprinciple.wordpress.com/
I am confused, he clearly bears no resemblance, so why post it associated with MM?
I am going to be very “short on latitude” with this.
B
BeeJay…sorry to hear about your loss, my thoughts and prayers go to your family.
I think I keep up with this blog as well as the next person, but for the life of me every now and then ya’ll throw something at me that I don’t get…this time it’s MM….what the heck is MM? Everytime I see it all I can think of is the M&M commercial where the M&M and Santa Claus meet face to face on Christmas Eve and they both faint.
TIA
Thoughts and prayers for Kyron, his brothers, sister, friends and classmates.
@Rose get a steamer to put next to your bed- once in a while put Vick’s vapor rub in the little holder . It really will help:)
I pray for Kyron everyday and go to this site hoping to see that Kyron has been found.
Anticipating someone’s question: yes, the Skyline overnight adventure did include rock climbing–which is one of Timur Dyke’s hobbies. He was not listed as a bidder on the event. And we hope he didn’t attend. Does Skyline K8 have an indoor rock wall? Or an outdoor one? Or do the kids visit one nearby?
Did I miss this? How was the SF attendance list compiled? Did people sign in when they entered the building? Do we really think perp signed in?
So, a poster that has been at the school daily has not seen MM prior to SF. Assume LE questioned the school staff about MM in the photo and whether anyone has ever seen the young girl. If MM is suspect, this aligns with my thinking that there was a method and motive TmH captured the picture of KyH with MM in the background coming around the corner, unbeknownst to him… and chose that particular photo to post.
@ 18. Hi, Blink. Neighbor said she didnt know a lot of names on the list so couldnt rule them out as MM. I was trying to id them and help rule some out. I didnt expect Blinksters to rely on my word that I’ve found SI’s pic on line and it is not MM, so gave a link. I can see where that was wrong, tho, and I should have just stated my finding. PC on the list could have been there as a parent, a bldg mechanical contractor, or a sci fair demonstrator. Likely I should have just said that w/o the link. I provided his pic because I thot some readers want to self verify. I ruled out AL. I pointed out JD fit the demographic & Asian daughter criteria & is a parent. All from “the list.”
Got it, thanks for the explanation Rose
B
I’m gather “the List” as a perp source is growing “very cold” and the S-E clan is “much warmer?”
beejay says:
January 13, 2011 at 10:18 pm
So, I think True Nelson’s latest (thanks, puzzled) is right, except that I believe they’ll drag it out as long as possible–longer perhaps than Nelson suggests. I think we’ll get no real substance out of Staton on Feb. 1. Maybe more confusing hints as in the past, and we’ll over-interpret the heck out of it, asking “wonder exactly what he meant by that….”
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Sadly, I agree with you.
We may get a few more vague hints from LE, but that’s about it.
If there was any real movement towards finding Kyron – Stanton and Shrunk would not hold that news until a specific Feb deadline announcement. MOO
Very sad.
beejay says:
January 12, 2011 at 6:43 pm
@neighbor: So, the plaid flannel shirt guy and Asian girl from Ky’s science project photo are a pair you’ve seen elsewhere. I gather that he and the girl were on the “list” of those present 8 to noon on June 4? Are you following up on this? Blinksters are here to help
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neighbor says:
January 12, 2011 at 11:16 pm
@beejay, I do not know their names. To know if MM/they are on the list, I would have to know everybody on that list so that I can rule everybody else out. Nobody that I know recognized MM. This year, I have been at the school every day, but have not seen MM. Even when I try to imagine him without the facial hair and girl.”
@B, do you want me to follow up on MM?
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B says:
January 12, 2011 at 11:16 pm
yes, please.
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beejay says:
January 13, 2011 at 11:49 am
@neighbor: please remember to include in your inquiring about the plaid-shirt man and Asian girl the before-school care parents and kids. I know that a child can be in that program and not attend Skyline (there’s video of one who was there for after-school care, at least, on June 4. She is not Asian.) Just thinking that Skyline parents might not recognize a parent/relative of the extended daycare kids that don’t attend Skyline.
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jan says:
January 13, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Seems many still wonder about SF photo, Mystery Man (MM):
Neighbor, Please do let us know what you find out in your to follow up on MM.
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Please do let us know what you find out in your to follow up on Plaid shirt Man and dark-haired girl; is she Asian or could she be Hispanic?
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@beejay, I do not know the before/after school care parents. I did not even know it was open to non-Skyline students. In general people do not talk about Jun/4th, and I feel that I can not just ask people I do not know.
@jan, on Jun/4th most people toured the Expo with their students and in some cases with other minors. This girl always stood out, because I did not recognize her as a student, and she seems to young to be in a K-8 school.
I do not remember the girl that well, but I stored her in my memory as Asian. Very very maybe, Hispanic with straight hair. A while ago, the MSM deemed him as “identified and ruled out”, but as time goes on, I realize that nobody really knows who he is.
Thanks Idahogal and pdxgirl for backing up my feelings on JW. FWIW, I’ve been operating under the assumption that SZ rather enjoys seeing “his work” in the media; could very definitely explain an eagerness to insert oneself into the MSM scene. Blink, given your short-leash mandate , if it’s inappropriate to discuss this individual at this point, please let us know!
I’m gathering a criminal element is involved, whetherretained by TH thru an intermediary, a lone wolf (SZ), or a criminal group associated with some other enterprises, nature unknown. That makes “the List” relatively useless, because doubtless everyone on it was there legitimately, or they’d be detained by now. So, my guess is the List was published to show County Commissioners all the man hrs of interview work. Afterall, if someone was omitted, will they go to LE 6 mos later & say You Forgot Me, please rule me out? Also, if an involved parent saw strangers, like Neighbor said, she would have no reason to know if they were on or off the list, and no reason to re-contact LE. So, I think the List is in “very cold” territory now, on reflection
AS-S ALERT!!!!
Just now the Fed BOP locator shows AS-S “In Transit”:
ANSELMO SANCHEZ-SANCHEZ 72474-065 28-White-M UNKNOWN IN TRANSIT
And the ICE locator continues to show him “Not In Custody.”
And as of 1 minute ago, MCSO locator does not show him in custody. Or should I say ‘yet’? Or, perhaps he’ll be testifying in a county other than Multnomah this time?
If you’re playing the odds, put his mugshot up against a photo of any of the local soccer coaches, or even confused post-adolescents, and I gotta say: he “wins” everytime. AND, has a known connection to one of the star players–strike that, “witnesses” in this case. The Sanchez Connection.
MockingbirdSings, Beejay, Idahogal, Kimberly & all other sleuthers~
Have we ever figured a “start date year” for RS & Family/Assoc in Portland area?
Have far back have y’all tracked him/them?
Was RS here in 2001 -or- ?
I wanted to ask now since Beejay sounds as if she’ll be off-line again.
Has there been any “Mejia” name besides Elsy showing up anywhere in your searches ?
DISCLAIMER: I do not know if these names are connected but hope someone w/ way better sleuthing skills can take a look see. In advance, Thanks for looking.
I am putting some links re: a male “Mejia” (Cali) that came up after the “Mejia” (NC) name was associated w/ a “Rudolfo S”.
Found 2nd link first & when did search of name came up w/ this link—do NOT know if same person -or- ? I just do not have the sleuth skills y’all have …
http://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/CA18601057E8417/Marco-Antonio-Mejia.html
“In the course of its normal operations, TransAmerica hired Rudolfo Sanchez (Sanchez) as a framing sub-subcontractor…” … “M** A** Mejia (Mejia), an employee of Sanchez…”
http://www.mynewmarkets.com/articles/95531/contractor-additional-insured-endorsements-may-reduce-coverage-available-to-the-named-insured
Thanks again.
JMHO … questioning … to infinity & beyond for Kyron.
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I know there has been some talk of a trucking “business” @ Woodburn address.
A trucker would be someone who would be in & out of town w/ either local or long haul trips.
Also many “landscapers” & others who come into Portland for “farming” etc may very well have left on June 4 due to how wet everything was–not the “normal” type of winter/spring weather this last year.
Farmers & their farms were delayed due to weather, too cool & wet to work in the fields to plant etc.
Just as MockingbirdSings has suggested, maybe we need to look beyond RS/Landscape …
WHAT are ALL those businesses & who is really connected to each ? pondering minds … hmmm
JMHO … questioning
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MockingbirdSings-You were “questioning about names” of Beaverton Hillsdale former Wendy’s etc.
Check this site (which is a great little resource for property info in city) :
http://www.portlandmaps.com/
You’ll find your “names” which will give you a start point. Did not want to put “names” out as not sure if there is “connection” yet. But, the “ownership” of property has gonna back & forth.
Also I inputted Renada (sp) address since is “Portland” but interesting no owner name etc. hmmm
Hope this helps.
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Idahogal, Malty~ Have been unavailable but thank you for your concern.
I have not had computer access and will not again shortly.
Be well.
I do not believe that LS had anything to do with this crime, or that a random sex predator came by, shopping for a child at this tiny school. But that seems to be the only theory debated here. To me, it is too complicated, when you happen to have think wonky stepmom with a wonkier “alibi” who may not have exactly loved the child, or the child’s father. But good luck to MCSO proving it.
Unclaimed Tax Refund 2007~
#653 OR ORTEGA, MARIA I MARION WOODBURN
#655 OR SANCHEZ ESTRADA, ROBERTO & MARIA ORO MARION WOODBURN 97071
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:e52lQaIT5AcJ:media.oregonlive.com/finance/other/Oregon%2520Unclaimed%2520Tax%2520Refunds09.xls+roberto+%26+maria+oro+sanchez+estrada&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
OR SANCHEZ ESTRADA, ROBERTO & MARIA ORO MARION WOODBURN 97071
http://www.thedailycourier.com/taxnames.pdf
Jden says:
January 13, 2011 at 6:12 pm
For consideration, I offer a most plausible detail to SZ description -Abused as a child.
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@Jden
Agreed. I would think considering the staggering statistics regarding SO’s backgrounds in general and how many of them were themselves abused in some way as a child that this can almost be assumed in many cases nowadays. I know when I hear about these situations, that is always the number one thought that enters my mind and it often turns out that way. Although to be more accurate, I also admit not all abusers were themselves abused but from what I have learned/read about their backgrounds over the yrs it seems a good majority of them were at some point. It does not give them a pass by any means however, as there are also many people who were abused as children that somehow manage not to go out and re-create the history that was done to them because they know it was wrong.
@beejay Im not at all sure that TH knows where Kyron is either but I’m sure she arranged his abduction.She knew that it was going to happen that day and got a phone call that it was done. That’s whyy she got that half ass alibi of hers, going to get medicine for Kiara. I also wonder if KH and TH were basically seperated but living in the same house?
Analysis: Despite reputation, no proof Portland is a hub for child sex trafficking
“Portland Mayor Sam Adams stood before reporters and officials in November to decry how Portland has become “stained” as a national hub for juvenile sex trafficking.”
“As he spoke, aides passed out a news release with a startling statistic. Portland police, it read, see an average of two cases of child sex trafficking each week.”
“The problem: It wasn’t true.”
“Sgt. Mike Geiger, supervisor of the Portland police sex crimes unit, said police don’t track such statistics.”
“I am not sure where that is coming from,” he said. “That’s an unreliable number.”
“It turns out the belief that Portland is a hub is unreliable, too. ”
Complete story @ Oregonian (FRONT page of Oregonian)
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/portland_child_sex_trafficking.html
Rose says:
January 14, 2011 at 3:11 am
Seth Isenberg, on the List, is married to Amber Keyser also attending. His pic in Dec 26 entry here bears no resemblance to MM. Interesting, on same link, is a pic of him coaching U8 Skyline soccer boys
http://isenberguncertaintyprinciple.wordpress.com/
Why are you posting a guys fishing blog? He has a relationship with the school, please don’t turn everyone with a relationship to Skyline into “victims” of this crime also.
Sammy says:
January 13, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Why would anyone have the need for this many different personal names and changes of business names over a few year time period?
If someone is a respected law abiding business person in a community – they would WANT to keep their name the same and their biz name the same.
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@Sammy
Maybe the keywords there there being “law-abiding business person”. What if they’re not? The only thing I can think of right off the top of my head in regard to the “Why would anyone have the need for this many personal names and changes of business names over a few yrs time period” question are these things:
1) illegal activity tied to the Mob
2) drug connections
3) money laundering
4) other misc illegal activities
or
All of the above tied to each other. Your guess is as good as mine.
I am inclined to think that SZ is the man chaperon that TH described in her email. A man and two girls. These girls were either with him (not Skyline students, but minors in his “care” perhaps even his own children) or he was a parent volunteer. Maybe he convinced two female students and Ky to tour with him, blending in until he got his opportunity. Could it be the description is non-descript because these two little girls really do not know how to describe this person? I would think that a parent volunteer would have been ID’d by now. There is not any man, without spouse, on the list with two minors.
Did SZ come into the school with two minor girls and tour the fair, eventually meeting up with Ky in the hall after TH left? Did SZ show up alone, charm his way into touring with the girls and Ky? Is SZ the MM in the photo and TH planned for him to be there?
For those still wondering about senior judges, you can see they are neither unusual, nor paid. It is not a new practice for retired judges to help when case loads are heavy, but it’s also a matter of what does a judge do when retired – it’s not like you can get a job with “another company” or easily start a private practice at retirement age, for example. Other professions sometimes do the same, but probably most aren’t volunteers. Sharing your experience with others is a very valuable gift.
http://courts.oregon.gov/Multnomah/General_Info/Going_to_Court/About_Us.page
This is from 2007-2009 and I left the names in even though some may have changed – it’s harder to read without the names.
By ORS 3.012, the circuit court is authorized 38 judges for the 2007-2009 Biennium. The court is also served by 12.5 referee positions. Some referees sit, by appointment from the Oregon Supreme Court, as judges pro tempore of the circuit court. The circuit court is also served by senior judges and several members of the local bar who serve as volunteer judges pro tempore (for whose assistance the court is always grateful).
The Chief Justice is required by law, ORS 1.003, to appoint the presiding judges of the judicial districts every two years. The Hon. Jean Kerr Maurer is appointed by the Chief Justice to be the Presiding Judge through December 31, 2009.
The circuit court is a division of the Oregon Judicial Department. The Oregon Judicial Department is the third branch of Oregon’s state government by Article III, Section 1, Oregon Constitution. Since 1983, all funding of the Oregon Judicial Department, including the circuit court’s, has been the obligation of the state, except for the funding of circuit court facilities. ORS 1.001. Circuit court facility funding is an obligation of county government. ORS 1.185.
The circuit court is a court of general jurisdiction. By statute, ORS 3.136, the circuit court is the municipal court for the City of Portland. The circuit court also serves as the municipal court for the City of Gresham and other municipal governments in Multnomah County, with the exceptions of the City of Troutdale and the City of Fairview.
2009 – 2013 Oregon Judicial Department Strategic Plan (pdf 669 KB)
Judicial Assignments and Responsibility
As provided by ORS 1.003, the Chief Justice appoints a Presiding Judge. Under ORS 1.171 the Presiding Judge has the following Powers and Responsibilities (pdf 217 KB)
The Presiding Judge has retained direct case management and trial assignment responsibility for civil actions and trial assignment responsibility for felony level criminal cases. The Presiding Judge has delegated to other judges, by appointment, case management responsibility in the following areas:
Criminal Law Matters (including Criminal Procedure Court)
Hon. Julie E. Frantz, Chief Criminal Judge
Family Law, Juvenile & Probate Matters (The Family Court)
Hon. Nan Waller, Chief Family Court Judge and
Hon. Katherine Tennyson to preside as Chief Probate Judge.
Office of the Presiding Judge
There are four staff positions assigned directly to the Presiding Judge: the Judge’s judicial assistant maintains the Judge’s calendar and handles the scheduling of any conferences before the presiding judge; the calendaring secretary handles trial docket assignment and scheduling; the two presiding court clerks handle the administrative paperwork processed through the Presiding Judge’s office, including default orders and judgments, staff the courtroom during proceedings, and answer questions about presiding court procedures for the members of the Bar and public.
responding to: 43.justice23 says:
January 13, 2011 at 6:17 pm
Hi Justice. I don’t want to go off topic but your questions are good ones. The school did turn the father in to DSS for other reasons. The father simply switched schools, no less than three times, maybe even four.
The children were in South Carolina, Horry County, and the mother’s family in Washington State. The case went all the way to the Superior Court of South Carolina but, because of the threat of the lower court, only a very small amount of the sexualization of the young girl was on the record for the higher court to see.
Sadly, because of the egos of the attorneys involved, it became less about the safety of the children and more about ‘grandparents rights’, an issue they could hang their hats on.
I will add what I feel is the bottom line here. We as a collective are afraid to discuss sexualization of children. It is an uncomfortable topic so no one will look at it. No one wants to even accuse someone so they are willing to put their head in the sand even in the face of what is obvious instead of just speaking the truth forthrightly. Folks are more comfortable looking the other way so this evil is allowed to continue and we continue to churn out little ones who turn into adults with very serious mental health issues.
I guarantee you this little girls daddy was sexualized as a child himself. That is the root of the problem. We need to invest ourselves fully both economically and with our focus and brainpower, using the best minds available, to put a stop to this. Our initial investment will pay dividends in the future of our society by cycling out of what has become secretly accepted behavior in many families.
As far as going to the media, the family at the time thought they were doing the right thing by handling it through investigators and the courts. They, and the children, were let down.
One last thing, sorry this is so long but people should know this stuff happens, the father was diagnosed bipolar/narcissistic and had a history of refusing to take his medication. The courts largely refused to address that either. It was one door after another closing on what was best for the children.
48.NelMel says:
January 13, 2011 at 7:28 pm
Who here thinks that the task force will have actually NEW information by February 1st?
I’m thinking that this date might not wash with the rescheduling of the divorce/abatement hearing. Staton seemed to time his task force time frame to the Jan. 7 date — end of January or Feb. 1st would be a deadline that fit well with anything that came up in the originally scheduled 1/7/10 court appearance.
I just believe that he was counting on having something break for him via the Family Court activity and now, that is no longer going to happen until March.
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My take was a little different. I felt Kaine was initially (last November) trying to get Terri to talk, basically saying if you want to see Kiara then tell us more about Kyron. She refused so he and Rackner went after her and she backed down.
The delay of the abatement worked to everyones advantage. Terri bought time and the investigators bought time, which was good for Kaine too because he wants to find out what happened to his boy.
I suspect the investigators needed a little more time and Terri is in no hurry to talk. She’s playing the waiting game. So behind closed doors it was decided to hold off on the divorce proceedings yet again, blame the judges retirement for publicity sake.
I’m still holding hope that this investigation will have closure. The public will likely be made aware of more details within weeks and we’ll understand then the why’s and wheretofore’s.
A little o/t, but this article about a Southwest pilot who delayed departure so a grandfather would not miss the flight to see his dying two year old grandson before he was taken off life support really touched me.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/01/14/southwest.pilot.holds.flight/index.html?hpt=T2
This pilot risked the ire of other passengers and his employer to do the brave and compassionate thing. I wish someone would be as brave and compassionate to tell LE what happened to Kyron.
@Malty says:
January 13, 2011 at 11:23 pm
“Terri and husband 2 had a restaurant in Aloha that closed down What you want to bet she knew these Sandez a long time and RS was no stranger
Landscaper and knew Elsy The whole clan Can someone like Bejay find what happened To that restaurant and if it was Mexican Food”
Malty, sorry to break up your phone poetry : )
The restaurant Terri & ex owned was in either Albany (Salem) or Roseburg, not Aloha and it was American diner food (burgers etc) named Chubby’s.
The restaurant went out of business. This was all circa 1994 & previous.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html
A heads up- A Rainer, Oregon Chief of Police was shot (in the head) last week.
Chief died. (Shooter in jail)
Since that time LE has been on high alert in Portland Metro area.
LE from other cities/towns have been covering Rainer.
Procession started today @ Longview and than St Helens/30 across St John Bridge to UP.
Today (01/14) is memorial @ U of Pltd. (it is brimming w/ the public in attendance).
There is over 500+ LE in attendance, from across US & Canada.
Saw MC Sheriff Staton walk in.
Streaming on-line (KGW etc).
All LE in area edgy.
My point about “time” a few posts back –
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/national/story/Police-report-new-lead-on-long-missing-girl/1RXpmpxCMUGANngPy4KPKg.cspx
PITTSBURGH (AP) — “Pennsylvania State Police say a person who knew an eight-year-old girl last seen 26 years ago has provided the most specific information about her disappearance in years.”
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“Cherrie has been missing since Feb. 22, 1985. She was last seen stepping off a school bus near her home outside Cabot, Pa.”
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“She is perhaps best known as the first child featured on the “Have You Seen Me?” direct-mail advertisements developed later that year.”
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I am quite positive:
1. Somebody knows something about Kyron and about the person(s) who took him.
2. It WILL be known to ALL of us at some point. We may be frustrated, but we are focused and will not forget or stop watching.
3. The last piece of the puzzle will not surprise those involved, but WHO it comes from, and how, WILL surprise them.
This is not a “prediction”, and I am not psychic. I’ve been riding on the earth around the sun enough times to simply know it’s true, and no insignificant criminal can change that. Sooner or later, we win, you lose.
As we head for yet another weekend without Kyron please allow this opinion.
The church elder fellow in Kansas who seemed so normal for so may years and committing such horrible crimes was fully aware of all news surrounding his crimes.
The fellow in PNW (Washington?…green river killer)…was aware of all the news surrounding his crimes.
It’s my opinion that IF SZ is an SO…or any kind of serial anything…he/she is also fully aware of all the news surrounding this crime.
I applaud all here who have kicked up dust, pulled covers off of any suspicious actions or otherwise made this perp nervous/ cautious.
And I say to this scum if reading here he/she should know this…you will be found out…run and hide…change your name or game..move to Siberia…you know you will be found…Any low life abuser of children should never have the satisfaction of a good nights sleep, should never again enjoy a good meal, should never again laugh at a good joke or….OR enjoy the love of family. You may never redeem yourself except to yourself…and the only way you can ever rest again is to accept your fate. Accept responsibility for your despicable actions and sleep again….otherwise you are already in a self made prison cell.
Peace to Kyron and his family, peace to LE, and peace to you blinksters. God Bless.
I applaud your angst, and make no mistake, it is constructive and fueling to many, including me.
What I want you and everyone to know, is that Suspect Zero thrives on our fear of him, and as sick and twisted as this is going to sound, what happened to Ky was his destiny in his mind.
He has no concept of the depths of his evil and will only fear incarceration to the extent it will thwart his pedophilic and probably homicidal needs.
We can’t fathom him, that makes us human. He is human only in form.
He is the same sniveling little shit that pees his bed as an adult.
B
justice23 says:
January 14, 2011 at 1:56 pm
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@Sammy
Maybe the keywords there there being “law-abiding business person”. What if they’re not? The only thing I can think of right off the top of my head in regard to the “Why would anyone have the need for this many personal names and changes of business names over a few yrs time period” question are these things:
1) illegal activity tied to the Mob
2) drug connections
3) money laundering
4) other misc illegal activities
or
All of the above tied to each other. Your guess is as good as mine.
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Yeah, drugs/sex/porn/$ laundering were my guess as well.
My comment was more a rhetorical question … I was commenting that obviously something stinks with all these name variations + alias’s, and all the many semi-related new business ventures these same people seem to open up every couple of months.
I mean, who really needs that many names for legal reasons … and the business openings up every other week seem to be a “hide” for something illegal.
There’s no reason that any LEGIT business people of the community would conduct themselves this way.
Sorry I wasn’t more clear with what I was trying to say.
Glad you all are following up on the twisted trail of name/aka’s and their many hinky business openings.
I agree … something’s not right with the picture with these folks.
@ enumclawrose says:
January 14, 2011 at 2:20 pm
This is a very good possibility, that MM was the “volunteer” TmH (saw KyH with) when she left. Did TmH want a (souvenier) of sorts of the SZ and so she snapped the SF photo with him in the background? Is that the physical description we have? What is seen in the photo? No facial recognition, just the body and the association with the girl?
Neighbor, please tell all you know about the little girl in the SF photo, whether she may have a relative at the school or who may know MM or have seen him previously. Does he just appear to Skyline on days like the SF?
Speaking of Timur, is he not locked up? Tell me that dirtbag is not walking the streets.
34.beejay says:
January 14, 2011 at 12:11 pm
RE:
AS-S ALERT!!!!
Just now the Fed BOP locator shows AS-S “In Transit”:
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@beejay- AS-S is a real pain in my A-S-S. I get what you’re saying about how smarmy and wicked looking he is, and being a Sanchez, etc., BUT…long ago Blink said he could not have been @ Skyline June 4th. So he cannot be SZ, so what are you thinking? I’m just not with ya’ on this train of thought, as usual, LOL.
riverpearl says – MockingbirdSings-You were “questioning about names” of Beaverton Hillsdale former Wendy’s etc.
Check this site (which is a great little resource for property info in city) :
http://www.portlandmaps.com/
You’ll find your “names” which will give you a start point. Did not want to put “names” out as not sure if there is “connection” yet. But, the “ownership” of property has gonna back & forth.
Also I inputted Renada (sp) address since is “Portland” but interesting no owner name etc. hmmm
Hope this helps.
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Thanks. I looked at the maps but I think the owner names are probably property owners who lease the property out to others for fast food and car wash. I used to live over there and Wendy’s was there when my grown kids were little. I was trying to figure out who had the Muchas Gracias franchise – I doubt if they own the property. From what I can tell, you don’t have to register your business name in Oregon, and some don’t because of fees and business plan requirements, but most will tell you it’s for your own protection as a business. You have to have other licenses and deal with business taxes, etc. I looked at the food inspection records. M.G. was inspected twice in 2010, but the reports don’t give a person’s name, just the restaurant name.
I know who owns the house on Renada Street and put the name out here last summer, but I’ve never found any information on the person – I suspect they don’t live in Oregon. I’m not sure who handles the renting or maintenance of the house.
I can certainly see why a money laundering case would take a long time to investigate.
@Eve
Thank You so much for the info
I knew some one knew:)