Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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Welcome back, Riverpearl!
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@Rose- Feel better please. I agree with you that the List is not going to get us anywhere. The person(s) we’re looking for are not on it, IMO.
I’ve got a dang headached from all these Mexicans, I really do. The number aliases, businesses, addresses and misc. bullshit is beyond suspicious to me. I really suspect drug activity going on. I know there are illegal pot growers all over the place here. Just like Calif., they grow the stuff in the woods and anywhere they can think of. And they call themselves “landscapers”, seriously, they do. I’ve been watching some busts in Calif. on TV and it seems all too familiar. We were out hiking awhile back and I got kind of nervous…would hate to stumble upon a camp of those illegals and their growing operation! Anyway, the whole Sanchez/Estrada Enchilada stinks to high Heaven for me. Just IMHO.
skyline parent- may I contact you confidentially via email?
Just me, Blink-
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Just post it, I will only be that sees it, and then I will delete.
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@Idahogal
@riverpearl
glad to see you’re back … your contributions have been missed.
4.Idahogal says:
January 14, 2011 at 5:10 pm
@Rose- Feel better please. I agree with you that the List is not going to get us anywhere. The person(s) we’re looking for are not on it, IMO.
I’ve got a dang headached from all these Mexicans, I really do. The number aliases, businesses, addresses and misc. bullshit is beyond suspicious to me.
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so glad you’re back … you have a way of putting things that even I hesitate to say!! lol
49.Sammy says:
January 14, 2011 at 4:49 pm
… I was commenting that obviously something stinks with all these name variations + alias’s, and all the many semi-related new business ventures these same people seem to open up every couple of months.
I mean, who really needs that many names for legal reasons … and the business openings up every other week seem to be a “hide” for something illegal.
There’s no reason that any LEGIT business people of the community would conduct themselves this way.
Sorry I wasn’t more clear with what I was trying to say.
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you were being perfectly clear to me, Sammy. I don’t want to be inappropriate, but if I opened up a many business with as many alias as this group of folks … the IRS and ODR would be looking at me!
49.Jeff D says:
January 14, 2011 at 4:47 pm
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Thank you for that terrific post Jeff D.
The context of TH’s email and story suggests that she did not see the man, but that someone else did. One of my points is that had an adult witnessed this, perhaps we would have a description, but if it were two little girls, what might they say?
49.Jden says:
January 14, 2011 at 4:50 pm
@ enumclawrose says:
January 14, 2011 at 2:20 pm
This is a very good possibility, that MM was the “volunteer” TmH (saw KyH with) when she left.
enumclawrose says:
January 14, 2011 at 2:20 pm
I am inclined to think that SZ is the man chaperon that TH described in her email. A man and two girls. These girls were either with him (not Skyline students, but minors in his “care” perhaps even his own children) or he was a parent volunteer. Maybe he convinced two female students and Ky to tour with him, blending in until he got his opportunity. Could it be the description is non-descript because these two little girls really do not know how to describe this person? I would think that a parent volunteer would have been ID’d by now. There is not any man, without spouse, on the list with two minors.
Did SZ come into the school with two minor girls and tour the fair, eventually meeting up with Ky in the hall after TH left? Did SZ show up alone, charm his way into touring with the girls and Ky? Is SZ the MM in the photo and TH planned for him to be there?
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Really interesting thoughts enumclawrose!
What if SZ is this man in the photo(plaid shirt man with girl= mystery man)? I don’t think that person has been identified, but the other man in TH’s photos seems to have been identified-the man whose actual face was seen in the other photo. Plaid shirt man(mystery man) is still a wild card.
The reason we have been told that LE may have a description of SZ but not enough to go on, may be just like what our Skyline parents have been saying: they don’t know WHO this person is, they can’t attach a name to him, they can’t team him up with a spouse or children from Skyline, etc. But what enumclawrose says makes sense–he may very well have been the man seen with two girls and Kyron (the girls not necessarily Skyline students (thinking about the daycare on site).
If the Horman/Young family was actually told by LE that Kyron was seen with a male and two girls at the Science Fair, then we should work off of that premise for a while. Many people have said that TH made that up-but what if it’s true? LE would not want that to get out if they were working on identifying that person. LE would want to keep that quiet and frankly, the school would too, because it points to the fact that anyone could wander into that school and take a child. No school wants that kind of info to get out. No community wants to hear that.
LE may need to keep this quiet as they may have a better working description and identity of that man than we know of, and may simply be fine tuning it to get ready to make an arrest.
Because this man may have had a child or two in the daycare program at Skyline-and whether he was a parent or other family member, friend etc.-he could be the monster we are looking for. He may have taken his kid/kids into the science fair before daycare and spotted Kyron and decided to take him-or he could have been carefully planning this for ages-who knows!
What better way to plan an abduction and find a child than to daily be right at the school dropping kids at the daycare program-and having the opportunity to view the Skyline kids coming and going. It would be like shopping to a predator.
As usual-JMO.
I don’t understand why LE would be concerned about the divorce action, in as far as Kyron goes. TH was never going to talk, nothing would be revealed. Personally, I don’t think LE is worrying about that case much at all, they are trying to figure out where to go in either formulating charges or finding Kyron.
Beejay,
Sincerely, so sorry for your mom and the loss to your family.
Honestly do not know how you all do it. I will read, for snarky factor especially, but I can barely keep up with one case, and I am light years behind the Anothony case.
And yes, as in “hot” on the trail.
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Just read Blinks new piece on the first page about the Baez + Cheney clown team.
It’s wonderfully snarkful BOC.
ty.
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River said “A heads up- A Rainer, Oregon Chief of Police was shot (in the head) last week. Chief died. (Shooter in jail) … There is over 500+ LE in attendance, from across US & Canada. Saw MC Sheriff Staton walk in.”
@River, this reminds me of the many LE that were present in Lake Oswego for Police Chief Dan Duncan funeral on Jun/4.
For your consideration: SZ = SNL…sniveling little shit…henceforth..:)
scratch that and fail me at paying attention…snl = sls…der
Blink,
Is it your opinion that SZ has done this before? I’m thinking that yes he has, However; I’m also thinking (Kyron) was his (SZ)’s most bold, calculated and possibly first homicide!
I know that none of us know the facts (yet), but to an extent, until they get caught, aren’t most crimes of this nature progressive?
You cant pigeonhole SZ in a few line post, pedophilia and it’s proclivities are a study all in themselves, and it is a grotesque task. There are all kinds of freaks in this area. Homicidial and abducting are much more rare.
This guy’s escalations came quickly, but someone knows about him.. his early victims and likely a juvenile peer group.
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I have no idea where my post went…I’m tryin’ to figure out what MM means and then I read the following from Blink…
“What I want you and everyone to know, is that Suspect Zero thrives on our fear of him, and as sick and twisted as this is going to sound, what happened to Ky was his destiny in his mind.”
News Flash….I do not fear anyone or any “thing” that preys on small defenseless children. If SZ is thinking that any of us here fear him/her, then I’m afraid he/she is barkin’ up the wrong tree. I have seen death up close and personal, I do not fear that either.
Screw you SZ and somebody tell me what the hell MM means. ….please.
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers, sister, friends and classmates.
When I say fear him, I mean fear the fact of what he did, and fear that he could strike again, fear that he may not be caught, etc. I am hopeful that parents are exactly that, as well as vigilant, because there is reason to fear an individual like this that has successfully to date, committed a crime against a helpless 7 year old.
If he can do it once, he can do it twice, especially in his mind.
No, I would not fear a pathetic miscreant like this in a one on one confrontation.
I suspect if I looked at him the wrong way he would run and hide under the nearest shelter, or closet.
He is like my Daddy used to say when I screamed if I saw a bug or unsightly spider,
..Honey, you have nothing to be afraid of, he is more afraid of you than you are of it…
The second he becomes aware someone “with knowledge” of his acts sees him for what he is, he is a sniveling coward and as an innocent child.
God forgive me, I hope he gets pierced in the head with an icicle and falls off a cliff.
B
@enumclawrose says “This is a very good possibility, that MM was the “volunteer” TmH (saw KyH with) when she left. Did TmH want a (souvenier) of sorts of the SZ and so she snapped the SF photo with him in the background? Is that the physical description we have? What is seen in the photo? No facial recognition, just the body and the association with the girl?”
@Jden says “Neighbor, please tell all you know about the little girl in the SF photo, whether she may have a relative at the school or who may know MM or have seen him previously. Does he just appear to Skyline on days like the SF?”
@enumclawrose, @Jden, I have always thought she left a clue; maybe somebody else to blame when they turn up the heat, or just a personal “joke”. I have only seen MM at one occasion at Skyline. Most likely that was during the week following Jun/4, or very maybe at the far beginning of this school year. I am there every day and I know a lot of the children. Have not seen him or the girl at school on other occasions.
@ 49.Jeff D says:
January 14, 2011 at 4:47 pm
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Mr. D, THANK YOU for that post. You do not know how much I hope that your words are true. I feel angry, disappointed, and just plain sad about what happened to this beautiful little boy. And even though I do not know him or his family… I’m still here, trying to keep hope alive for him. It reinstores my dwindling faith in humanity at times to know that people like you, Jeff D, echo my personal feelings and put it into words better than I ever could. Thank you, once again, I stand here with you all waiting for Kyron to come home.
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@ Idahogal,
Just in general, I’m so glad that you are here on BOC. Just so glad…
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May God be with you, Kyron. You are in the hearts of many, always. We will not EVER forget you.
@Rose
well it is dark so my coughing will soon start
for the night I had the flu and got this cough
Mucinex DM helps but it is around 3 weeks
for me
know I care and understand how you feel
Drove past the house on Renada Street again tonight on my way home. Clean Factor van and 2 SUV’s neatly tucked in the driveway, one SUV up close to the left garage door and one blocking the solid wooden gate across the drive going to the back of the house. I think everyone on the street has some outside lighting, but the lighting from the garage door window that spotlights the back of the van and the lighting on the front door and sides of the house make it look like the street is a runway and the house is coming in for a landing. These do not appear to be motion lights, either. It was like that when I’ve driven by other times, too.
I guarantee you could drive down the street at night with no clue what house number to look for and have no problem finding it. Either something has happened or they expect it might. There isn’t a white truck in view, but there is a 2 car garage and a well fenced, gated driveway along the side of the house that leads to a shed in the back, so it could easily be out of sight.
I am sure JSE must live there since the business van is there. I am confident he doesn’t live there alone. I’ve never seen any sign of lights inside even though I think people must be home and it’s not late. JSE may certainly be a hardworking businessman and have no part in our case. If so, I wish him well. However, the bright lights give me the feeling the residents are nervous about something.
What could the people in the house be nervous about? Car prowls? There are lots of other nice vehicles to “choose from” on that street and the crime rate in that neighborhood isn’t high. Reporters? Maybe, but seems like an ineffective approach to get them to go away – and they’ve probably covered all they are going to in that location long ago (which seems like none, to me). LE? They don’t generally go sneaking or peeking into windows or vehicles. Criminals wanting to get someone? Just set up a carpet cleaning estimate in a fake location and be done with it. Burglars? They probably have a burglar alarm also, and I suppose it would all be a deterrent, but sort of makes a burglar wonder what they’ve got that’s so great.
Maybe someone lives there now who had something bad happen before and is too nervous to be alone sometimes without extra protection. Could be many things, I guess, including one heck of a lighting salesman stopped by. I don’t know, but it does make me wonder.
@Falstaff, agreed.
Yet, I was going thru all unattached men on list to see if any pics matched MM. Respectfully, I found one man for whom I did not locate a picture is age 58 with at least one adoptive Chinese daughter. Mite have a younger one. Another man iwas more likely at Skyline as a mechanical contractor, or as a sci fair demonstrator which he does for his job, than as a parent. Then there was a 65 yo Washington state resident per veromi & who lhas no indicia of being at grandkid stage but is IT brilliant. Respectfully, if LE didnt identify list members as Skyline parents, friends, or staff, and a list mber was a visiting plumber or MM, to me that’s one of LE’s weaker procedures in this case. it sounds like most Skyline parents have moved on or are in no position to evaluate the list anyway. I’m willing to give up on it. I wish locals wouldn’t. I wish the PTA Pres would sit down with Mr Keefer and go down the list with him to be informed on who comes to school events.
Rose- how about this- post to me marked private at the top the names of the individuals your referring to, we will do our diligence on this end and go from there.
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Not meaning to offend here or cast stones, but I had a sort of epiphany tonight watching 20/20, where the new Peace Corps VP would not/could not accept responsibility for the murder of one and rape of several of it’s volunteers, citing in the case of the murder, that the investigation after two years was still open even though the suspect, although known to local police, is another PC volunteer.
The Peace Corps is an institution, much like a public school. You cannot hold the institution accountable for the actions of the people representing the institution. As long as the investigation is open, then the director/administrator/mouthpiece of an institution will not/cannot accept responsibility.
I am thinking there is an altruistic attitude to not take down an institution especially when it will not bring someone back, but I believe that we have to look at the public institutions, such as schools and churches, not as them vs. us, but as a stewardship that belongs to us all and we have a responsibility to the truth.
It is my belief that it could be that without any definitive outcome on this case, it is in the best interest of the institutions to not release the details. Consequently, we may never get the details. Once again, sorry if this offends, I just see this as part of our institutional culture, policies larger than any one person, and wanted to comment.
42.Amy’s Sister says:
January 14, 2011 at 3:45 pm
48.NelMel says:
January 13, 2011 at 7:28 pm
Who here thinks that the task force will have actually NEW information by February 1st?
Idahogal~
So totally agree w/ SEE (sanchez/estrada/enchilada) … (pack) rats trying to drag as much chit as they can to many different holes in case an exterminator comes knocking … lotsa exits to flee…eventually the stench of SEE will be so strong no hole is deep and dark enough to mask it.
SEE’s hide ‘n seek in plain sight … got the attention of a whole lotta FEDs, STATE, County, City departments …
betcha SEE NEVER thought they’d be “IT” since it was “their game/ their rules”.
Someone(s) brought up IRS/ State tax collection as bringing down many …
with all these “businesses” … is there any smoke to fan — anywhere ?
JMHO … questioning … to infinity & beyond …. For Kyron.
Every day I look at the new photos of Kyron on his FB page, and I just can’t even breathe. It really hurts, and I am so filled with sorrow. Time does not heal everything. I will carry this beautiful child in my heart forever, and I pray for resolution.
I look forward to the time this “sniveling adult bed wetting shit” goes to jail and is raped, tortured and made to suffer in the most horrific manner by his fellow inmates. Even in death he will suffer eternal torture. The Lord will have his vengeance. Amen.
“What I want you and everyone to know, is that Suspect Zero thrives on our fear of him, and as sick and twisted as this is going to sound, what happened to Ky was his destiny in his mind.”
I don’t believe that the SZ thinks we fear HIM…. he fears US, fears everyone, that’s why his kind prey on children. Helpless and defenseless. SZ is delusional.
“I look forward to the time this “sniveling adult bed wetting shit” goes to jail and is raped, tortured and made to suffer in the most horrific manner by his fellow inmates. Even in death he will suffer eternal torture. The Lord will have his vengeance. Amen.”
and everyone that helped him!
God Bless sweet Kyron and may the angels hold him forever in their arms.
@cbickel – MM is Mystery Man in the SF photo. I meant to answer you B4, sorry I forgot.
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God forgive me, I hope he gets pierced in the head with an icicle and falls off a cliff.
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Blink – I’m sure God will forgive you. I’d rather his pee-pee gets whipped with barbed wire every day for eternity ala Jeff D.
I, for one, am not afraid of this SOB/POS, and he best hope LE finds him B4 Joe Public does. The day of reckoning is fast approaching and I look forward to it.
Cbickel says:
January 14, 2011 at 9:50 pm
(snip)
Screw you SZ and somebody tell me what the hell MM means. ….please.
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CBickel.
It’s my understanding that “MM” stands for Mystery Man – from the science fair photos.
The man that as far as we know has not been ID’d.
Someone please correct me if I’ve got that wrong.
Zeus has a great post just a few above yours that talks about the 2 different men in the background of the 2 different pictures we have seen from the science fair of 6/4.
(see post just above yours on this page … “zeus says: January 14, 2011 @ 7:12pm)
These are the 2 pics being discussed:
#1 picture: we can see a guy in the very top corner of pic and CAN see his face. (talk has been that this man HAS been ID’d by Skyline parents/staff)
#2 picture: The pic of the guy in the background wearing the plaid shirt that is standing with a little (Asian?) girl = “MM” (Mystery Man). This man’s face cannot be seen in the photo.
Hope this helps.
@cbickel – MM = Mystery Man
You cant pigeonhole SZ in a few line post, pedophilia and it’s proclivities are a study all in themselves, and it is a grotesque task. There are all kinds of freaks in this area. Homicidial and abducting are much more rare.
This guy’s escalations came quickly, but someone knows about him.. his early victims and likely a juvenile peer group.
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Just a guess – TVD. Fits the “clues” and profile but LE can’t prove it. No need to post if not appropriate.
Neighbor, you mirrored my thoughts that if MM = SZ then TmH snapped the pic for evidence if need be and/or a personal (joke). She has a cocky sense of humor. The CSI tee shirt.
So, you have seen MM at Skyline which means you could give a physical description, yes? of the face?
Someone has to know who that little girl is!
TmH stated that (someone) saw KyH with a male chaperone and two girls… whom did she state that witness is? LE must have been hot on this trail.
Thinking of what Blink said, above… that his early victims would know him. Obviously these would be children who may not have come forward and yet are safe. I will pray that this story would arouse a desire in one of those children to cleanse the emotional demons this monster left in his wake.
Blink said, “likely a juvenile peer group”. School, church, scouts, daycare, pumpkin patch, summer camp, field trip – places children assemble.
Blink sounds quite sure that KyH met up with SZ at the (cool electric one). This statement, IIRC came from TK and as we know JK is certainly exposed to many childrens’ groups. There is also a KyH look-alike on the website. Who is that child?
Tell you what, stand SZ up in front of all of us and we will handle the punishment. The anger is rising here and it is palpable.
Jeff, awesome post. Blink was spot on, that he is human only in form. Touche.
On my knees, Kyron. On my knees in prayer for you, angel.
19.Cbickel says:
January 14, 2011 at 9:50 pm
Screw you SZ and somebody tell me what the hell MM means. ….please.
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MM = mystery man … as in unidentified “chaparone” with 2 little girls at SF.
Timur Van Dykes article from OL Dec. 2009:
http://www.oregonlive.com/lake-oswego/index.ssf/2009/12/sexual_predator_registers_with_lake_oswego_police.html
Perfect example of waht is wrong with the system and how SO are handled. He is still out on probation, likely to re-offend, but what the Hell, let’s turn him loose. What’s 23 counts of rape? No big deal. I don’t know whom is thinking what here, I really don’t. The fact that this guy didn’t receives life in prison is beyond me. PUKE.
I have not weighed in on the “sniveling adult bed wetting shit”s because I am … quite frankly … at risk for the sudden onset of tourette syndrome … which manifests itself in drooling and loud.. very loud .. repetitive and uncontrolled use of words such as you “sniveling adult bed wetting shit” … while wildly chasing men down the street … so I’ve been told.
ROTFL
I apologize if I was too harsh for some tastes, btw.
B
@neighbor: Yes, the before/after school care IS open to non-Skyline students. I posted this link to video before of Ky’s neighbor, who was met by 8 police cars the aftn of June 4 when she went to pick up her daughter, who appears to be well into elementary schl age to me. I redacted their names before, but it’s all out there in the press.
“Angella Davis and her daughter Kiran Richey, 8, are neighbors of the Horman family. Kiran goes to an after school program at Skyline Elementary, but is not a student there.”
link: http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/06/search_for_kyron_horman_9.html
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Also, didn’t keep it, but I found some postings I thought were Angella’s (a/k/a Angela). About sending Ky posters off with her husband in his truck around June 11. IIRC, he is a truck driver of some sort. Willamette Week included her in their wrap-up article last summer, too.
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@cbickel, enumclawrose, others: TY for condolences. Mom is 25 yrs older than me, so she’s my concern; my brother and I are sharing seeing to her needs. I have a nasty lingering cold, too, and I never get sick, so lots of Blinksters are getting struck with this, aren’t we?
I hope to have some time to work on things. Friends on west coast and elsewhere are slogging thru lots of disjointed data banks and doing gumshoe stuff too. Last few months I’ve gotten old friends interested in Ky’s case, so everyone I can enlist is pitching in. Maybe our collective nets will eventually ensnare him. I’m with ya’ll. Personal events will never stop me. I am quietly relentless. HE is the one who needs to have bright lights lit around his dark dwelling.
@cbickel:
MM stands for Mystery Man in the science fair photo, I believe. The headless lumberjack. Someone correct me if I am wrong, please!
There is a man, on PDX mugshots that was arrested early this morning.
My first thought when I saw him was a resemblence to the RSE we know from here.
I pulled the RSE picture blink gave us and compared the two side by side. IMO, there are some pretty decent similarities.
The guy on pdxmugshots is bald, but when I looked at the hairline, it has the same “V” shape for regrowth in the front as does RS.
The eyebrows look identical to me.
Just my opinion,
http://pdxmugshots.com/
Oh ya, one other thing, when I checked the name he gives on pdx mugshots, There is what appears to be yet another alias listed for JSE.
veromi people directory brings up a JPF, listed with a Helen, in Milwaukee or and vancouver, Wa.
It takes alot not to get real mad about this case
and start writing letters to Ron Wyden or someone
I do fear SZ is getting antisy to grab another
child
and I hope it is not so
@Malty and @Rose: It must be going around.. Monday is 3 weeks for me too. Our photobucket friend ubrmel has it too. Hope everyone gets better soon; I’ve never had an illness like this before. No more kissing strangers for me. Feel better. xx
It’s possible that Terri took the picture that includes the Mystery Man by accident, not realizing he would step into the picture. It’s possible she didn’t care who else was in the picture, and was in a hurry to be done. It’s possible she wanted someone else to show up to prove she was there when everyone else was. It’s possible she knew this man, possible she didn’t. It’s possible she had seen him around, and/or the child or children. (I don’t think she saw them with Kyron.)
It’s also possible that Terri took another picture with the man’s face and put it somewhere for safekeeping – maybe with her parents or a friend who hasn’t been identified or searched. IMO, she would only have done that if she knew what he was going to do and wanted something to offer LE if she is ever charged with a crime and likely to go to jail, or for her own “security” or for money.
It seems the other man in the photo would have seen the MM also. But the advantage of the SF for a criminal is that there is so much to look at – reminds me of the ET movie where the closet door was opened and ET was hiding as one of the stuffed animals.
We don’t know that the MM only had one child with him in the room, do we? Another could have been behind him or close by and not been in the picture. He could be an uncle or grandfather who only brings the kids to school daycare occasionally to help out.
A lot of people might ID that person only by the “loud” shirt or jacket. I am always trying to train myself to look at faces rather than clothing for ID, but it’s hard to look directly at people we don’t know for more than an instant. If the shirt/jacket was not changed and the person spotted later with 2 girls and Kyron was the same one and still wearing it, whoever saw them is bound to have seen the picture Terri posted by now and made a connection for LE – even if it was a child, perhaps unless they were really young.
Are we really sure the person in the picture is not a woman? Are we judging only by the plaid or did we have some other verification it was a man in the picture? It’s not that unusual for some women in a hurry to grab whatever jacket is closest to the door rather than take time to hunt for their own. I think someone asked that before but at the time, I don’t think we knew for certain.
If the girls were going to daycare and just looking at the SF on the way, were they (and the man and Kyron) headed toward the daycare area or toward an outside door when they were seen? Why would Kyron go somewhere with them in a vehicle – happily – and if he did, or was forced to go, why would the 2 girls be along for whatever happened next?
So if they all walked to the daycare area or a classroom to drop off the girls, someone would have known that and probably seen Kyron with them. If the girls left, were they not in daycare or school at all? Did they have a brother or sister or cousin who had an exhibit? Was another family member looking at the SF with the other child/student and then met them somewhere to take the girls to daycare or home?
Do we know if Terri used a camera or a camera phone? It’s pretty easy to print and delete from a camera phone, as well as post online. My phone takes very good pictures that are easy to edit. If I move them to my computer, or delete the pictures, is there any trace of the pictures on the phone after that? I understand you can fish for a lot of things in a computer that people normally think are “gone”. Is the same true of a phone?
I know we’ve talked about a lot of these things, but I’m not sure we have complete answers, and when there is nothing new, sometimes looking back can seem like a different view because of all that has come up in the meantime.
@42.Amy’s Sister says:
January 14, 2011 at 3:45 pm
@48.NelMel says:
January 13, 2011 at 7:28 pm
Who here thinks that the task force will have actually NEW information by February 1st?
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At this stage I would be content if the task force has ruled out any possible POI’s.
@ Neighbor: What nationality is MM? Would you afford us a brief description? Do you recall the circumstances, other than the SF, that he was at the school?
@ ERose: I believe there is a secondary case paralleling Kyron’s case. IMO, it is the secondary case creating the delays. February 1st? I’m not feeling one way or the other but I suspect if LE isn’t ready to make an arrest they will feel obligated to release some small details to satisfy the public until such an arrest is made.
If the divorce case happens before an arrest I believe Terri will lose everything before she talks. For some reason she has felt confident LE will not break this case, but she is wrong. She may be wavering in this confidence.
I’m not convinced SZ has been caught and turned in to authorities before. He’s pretty brazen which makes me think he’s not done time. I agree that his other victims know what he is capable of. I still believe several people had a hand in it. Logically this goes against reason, but it is my belief.
@38.Kimberly says:
January 15, 2011 at 12:40 pm
There is a man, on PDX mugshots that was arrested early this morning.
My first thought when I saw him was a resemblence to the RSE we know from here.
I pulled the RSE picture blink gave us and compared the two side by side. IMO, there are some pretty decent similarities.
The guy on pdxmugshots is bald, but when I looked at the hairline, it has the same “V” shape for regrowth in the front as does RS.
The eyebrows look identical to me.
Just my opinion,
http://pdxmugshots.com/
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What I’d like to know is…who is the dude with the walrus teeth in the upper right corner of the pdxmugshots? Scaaarrry!
Nat. Geo channel has been running shows all day today about drugs/cartels/$ laundering.
Most are repeats that many of you have probably already seen.
But … this comment from one show caught my attention b/c it is so much like what is going on with the name variations + aliases that have been discussed here.
They’re interviewing LE and the officer says …
“Part of the problem is that we make an arrest and get their name and they say Juan Sanchez. Then we enter them in the system and find they’re also Juan Hernando Sanchez Martinez, or multiple variations there of.”
Yeah, that sounds familiar.
Shows also discussed the need for so many business changes and new biz start-ups – to clean the drug money from the cartels.
Mentioned that the border states (Texas/Arizona/Cali) used to be the main problem – but the drug + money pipeline heads straight up the 5 to the PNW these days.
The connection to the “taker” who nabbed Ky will be a connection to TMH. IMO.
If I were to ( or could!)
sketch a cartoon of her
with an octopus-like array of “arms”
webbed out to the many, many “things”
she’s been “into”
and “up to”,
who?
Where?
Would this lead?
Just thinking.
Prayers for Ky, his family, the investigators.
Mockingbird, elaborating on your notes above I still think the picture with Kyron in front of SF exhibit has been altered. Compare the two pictures (with and without KyH). You can google image his name. Note the following:
The pictures are taken from same angle and almost identical with exceptions:
1) MM & child in picture with KyH
2) Picture without KyH has exhibit opened up to close background gap where MM is. Why? Almost as if the exhibit was closed slightly to reveal MM in the other picture.
3) RETfrog in the center of the pic with KyH looks placed ontop of the flash. Like cut/paste after the fact.
4) Right side of KyH tee-shirt is perfectly straight vertically. Arm missing. If he held his arm back in a position to where it wouldn’t show, wouldn’t the tee-shirt draw up? Mine does.
5) KyH looks too big for that photo. Compare the size of his head with the paper sizes on the display and the size of the little girl.
Did TmH deliver the SF project on Jun 3? That would have given her time to alter the photo and print it to show her friend at FM. I would imagine LE has perused the picture file on her computer.
If TmH did alter these photos, it is highly possible that she wanted MM to be revealed.
I have a feeling that if MCSO needs more money, and of course they will, that they might name TH as a POI, just to placate the public that they have made progress. And if that is all they do, it doesn’t mean much of anything, since she is clearly a POI now.
@38Kimberly
Regarding RSE, and pdxmugshots JB, they do look similar fwiw.
Also please look at the resolution of the photo (with) KyH carefully as compared to the other one without. The entire photo looks a bit blurred as compared to the other. The only exception is KyH, which is clear and crisp.
I definitely think this photo has been altered.