Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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Don’t want to violate anyone’s rights here, but just think it’d be good for Portland locals to familiarize themselves with the photos of a sexual predator who has just been arrested by MCSO–last name Barker. He will undoubtedly be out on the streets again before long. He was out free on June 4, 2010.
Interesting guy, about 29. His first offense (at 15) was several rapes of toddler girls and boy. At his parents’ unlicensed family daycare. His parents were not charged, though they said they knew about his problem. In fact, they waged a legal battle to prevent him from being charged as an adult.
He did some years in prison, Inverness jail in Multnomah Cty. But I know he’s been out free since at least 2008. His sentence expires in 2016, which I think means the time at which he’s no longer required to register as a sex offender. Although he’s considered a predator? Not sure. So, he was out free on June 4, 2010. He lives in Portland. His looks have varied with diff hairstyles; looks older now than the first link below. Here’s some links and photos:
http://www.sunschools.org/Public/EntryPoint?ct=540fa6f5b88c4010VgnVCM1000003bc614acRCRD#summary
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This one is 1997 article about his adolescent offenses:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:BqjEWYAiZ4oJ:community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/%3Fdate%3D19970103%26slug%3D2516941+Kendrick+Leroy+Barker+sexual+predator+oregon&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
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I know he was out on March 7, 2008 because he registered as a sex offender then. Don’t know if he was out before:
2:42 p.m. – Kendrick Leroy Barker, 26, was registered as a sex offender.
link: http://www.oregoncitynewsonline.com/news/story.php?story_id=120594850475871100
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Today sits in MCSO jail, arrested due to Community Corrections turning him in for failure to register as SO. Diff. look with the long hair:
http://www.mcso.us/PAID/BookingDetail.aspx?ID=ospDEZIoTIcOLlZUg6jHaQ==
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If we have evidence that suggests we’re looking for a younger man (late twenties or so), then there are some candidates available.
I have NO idea if this Sex Offender is involved with Ky’s disappearance, but unequivocally, without reservation, I say this man is a predator looking for prey, 24/7, and should be incarcerated in some fashion, because he can, and will reoffend.
B
Regarding MM, which I’m assuming is the person wearing flannel in the background of the picture of Kyron, wouldn’t police have contacted everyone on the list they have and asked if it was them in the photo or if they recognized the person or little girl? I’m just thinking I would have done that if I were the police. Also, I thought the Mayor,in one of his famous tweets, had said the person in flannel had been identified and was not a person of interest? Or mabybe I’m recalling that incorrectly…I’ll see if I can find where I read that.
@Malty – Write letters, send emails, make phone calls. Just go for it, will make you feel better! I’m waiting to hear back from a couple of parole officers, and have sent emails and made phone calls this past week again. I have to do something or else I’ll just go nuts. I just won’t and can’t rest until this country passes more stringent laws wrt sex offenders.
@beejay – I’m sorry for your loss. Prayers for you and yours, XO.
@All that are sick – Get well soon!
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/California-man-used-Facebook-to-hack-womens/wTcb-P1jU0i33E98rLBCgw.cspx
By: Don Thompson
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — In a cautionary tale for users of social-networking sites, a California man has admitted using personal information he gleaned from Facebook to hack into women’s e-mail accounts, then send nude pictures of them to everyone in their address book.
The California attorney general’s office said Friday that George Bronk, 23, commandeered the e-mail accounts of dozens of women in the U.S. and England. He then scanned the women’s “sent” folders for nude and seminude photos and videos, and forwarded any pictures he found to all their contacts, prosecutors said.
Bronk coerced one woman into sending him more explicit photographs by threatening to distribute the pictures he already had. One victim told authorities the intrusion felt like “virtual rape.”
Bronk, who lives in the Sacramento suburb of Citrus Heights, pleaded guilty Thursday to seven felonies in Sacramento County Superior Court, including computer intrusion, false impersonation and possession of child pornography.
Prosecutors are seeking a six-year prison term when Bronk returns for a sentencing evaluation March 10.
His attorney, Monica Lynch of Roseville, called her client a “23-year-old boy going on 15.”
“He’s accepted full responsibility. It’s a tragic situation,” she said.
Lynch said she will argue for less than a six-year prison term.
Prosecutors said Bronk would scan women’s Facebook accounts looking for those who posted their e-mail addresses. He would then study their Facebook postings to learn the answers to common security questions like their favorite color or father’s middle name.
He contacted the women’s e-mail providers and used the information to gain control of their accounts. He also often gained control of their Facebook accounts by hijacking their passwords, then posted compromising photographs on their Facebook pages and other Internet sites.
“This case highlights the fact that anyone with an e-mail account is vulnerable to identity theft,” Attorney General Kamala Harris said in a statement announcing Bronk’s guilty plea.
Investigators found 172 e-mail files containing explicit photographs of women when they searched Bronk’s computer in September, according to a court affidavit. They were able to track his victims to England, Washington, D.C., and 17 states: Alabama, Arizona, California, Georgia, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Oregon, Texas, Virginia and Washington.
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This does not seem to need any superior IT skills. I believe I could do it myself based on what is reported here. “23 going on 15″ does not excuse this or possessing child pornography. I wonder if this will turn up in the “reasonable doubt about Terri” speech someday. On the other hand, if I could do it with enough patience, so could she.
If he gets 6 years, he’ll be out in 3 at least. What do we think he will do next?
About the Mystery Man’s plaid jacket… this crossed my mind as I was hanging mine up this morning. They only cost about $15 at Fred Meyer and I think we have about 6 of them between us.
They’re so ubiquitous.
Does anyone know offhand what the rules are for registering as a sex offender? I was looking through the Lake Oswego paper, which actually does run a police blotter column, tracking TVD’s registrations.
If he has had to re-register every time he moves, he’s moved a lot.
Lake Oswego is in Clackamas County, btw, not Multnomah. I guess beejay already knows that the LDS temple is right there at the edge of L.O.
I wonder if TVD is still welcome there?
neighbor, Malty~
I was concerned when I posted about Chief of Police (Rainer, OR) service yesterday … due to Chief of Police (Lake OSwego, OR) service 06/04 & Kyron’s disappearance … would another child disappear w/ LE’s eyes focused in on N Pltd & Rainer ?
Is POS/SLS/RAT BASTARD SZ getting antsy ? in the shadows watching ? planning ? what doors are open ? is a child left alone ?
…the clock is ticking … it’s day # 238 and counting (since Kyron was snatched).
It was a relief to know y’all were feeling the same.
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@Malty says:
January 15, 2011 at 1:02 pm
It takes alot not to get real mad about this case
and start writing letters to Ron Wyden or someone
I do fear SZ is getting antisy to grab another
child
and I hope it is not so
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@neighbor says:
January 14, 2011 at 7:48 pm
River said “A heads up- A Rainer, Oregon Chief of Police was shot (in the head) last week. Chief died. (Shooter in jail) … There is over 500+ LE in attendance, from across US & Canada. Saw MC Sheriff Staton walk in.”
@River, this reminds me of the many LE that were present in Lake Oswego for Police Chief Dan Duncan funeral on Jun/4.
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Jeff D~ Thanks for the laugh …sniveling little shit … works for me.
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@Jeff D says:
January 14, 2011 at 8:20 pm
For your consideration: SZ = SNL…sniveling little shit…henceforth..:)
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MockingbirdSings~
IMO Looks as the sanchez/estrada/enchilada (SEE) is trying to warn off any “home invasion” due to “drug growing &/ or selling”.
Did you see the article a few months ago about the “drug grower/seller” guy (outer SE, maybe Gresham ?) who had RAZOR wire around his fence and a PIT dug in his backyard with sharpen sticks buried in it, covered w/ debris, so a person who made it that far/close would fall in NOT knowing ? These are just a FEW of the “defenses “ he had “installed”. The ONLY reason it became public knowledge was he had some type of home fire & the fire department had difficulty getting close enough.
The fire department said they are seeing it more & more due to “all the growers/ sellers” (w/ those “medical mary jane cards”) installing booby traps all over the place. I never knew “it” had become a problem.
IMO what “else” could “SEE” have “done” around the property ?
Fire dept is asking for “growers/sellers” to install lights etc. but not to the extent rescue personnel can get injured &/ or cannot get in.
Taking a vehicle parked backend up against a door is an old “trick” to put a lot of weight, not easily/quietly moved, to block entrance or exit from garage (also, less likely allowing opening trunk/ door of vehicle). Also leaves the car is the position for a quick departure.
JMHO
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@MockingbirdSings says:
January 14, 2011 at 11:54 pm
Drove past the house on Renada Street again tonight on my way home. Clean Factor van and 2 SUV’s neatly tucked in the driveway, one SUV up close to the left garage door and one blocking the solid wooden gate across the drive going to the back of the house. I think everyone on the street has some outside lighting, but the lighting from the garage door window that spotlights the back of the van and the lighting on the front door and sides of the house make it look like the street is a runway and the house is coming in for a landing. These do not appear to be motion lights, either. It was like that when I’ve driven by other times, too.
I guarantee you could drive down the street at night with no clue what house number to look for and have no problem finding it. Either something has happened or they expect it might. There isn’t a white truck in view, but there is a 2 car garage and a well fenced, gated driveway along the side of the house that leads to a shed in the back, so it could easily be out of sight.
I am sure JSE must live there since the business van is there. I am confident he doesn’t live there alone. I’ve never seen any sign of lights inside even though I think people must be home and it’s not late. JSE may certainly be a hardworking businessman and have no part in our case. If so, I wish him well. However, the bright lights give me the feeling the residents are nervous about something.
What could the people in the house be nervous about? Car prowls? There are lots of other nice vehicles to “choose from” on that street and the crime rate in that neighborhood isn’t high. Reporters? Maybe, but seems like an ineffective approach to get them to go away – and they’ve probably covered all they are going to in that location long ago (which seems like none, to me). LE? They don’t generally go sneaking or peeking into windows or vehicles. Criminals wanting to get someone? Just set up a carpet cleaning estimate in a fake location and be done with it. Burglars? They probably have a burglar alarm also, and I suppose it would all be a deterrent, but sort of makes a burglar wonder what they’ve got that’s so great.
Maybe someone lives there now who had something bad happen before and is too nervous to be alone sometimes without extra protection. Could be many things, I guess, including one heck of a lighting salesman stopped by. I don’t know, but it does make me wonder.
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USDOT# 1304694
Company Name: Ubaldo Sanchez *Also Doing Business As: Sanchez Nursery
Address: 955 S Pacific Hwy Woodburn OR
Entity Type: Carrier
Classification: Authorized-for-hire, Private (property
Cargo types: other- NURSERY
Fleet Size: 1
Total Power Unit: 1
Trucks: 1
Total Truck: 1
Total Drivers: 2 {WHO is driver #2}
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Another (new) addy known ?
[Weird "listing" --had link but computer glitched & lost post. Went "back" to c/p & NOW shows "unlisted"]
Ubaldo Sanchez
Maria G Sanchez
459 4th St
Woodburn OR 97071
(503) 981-9792
Sanchez, Alexandra
955 S Pacific Hwy
Woodburn, OR 97071-5942
Sanchez, Ubaldo F
Age:45-49
955 S Pacific Hwy
Woodburn, OR 97071-5942
Sanchez, Maria G
Age:45-49
955 S Pacific Hwy
Woodburn, OR 97071-5942
Sanchez, Rodolfo
Age:35-39
7169 SE Renada St
Portland, OR 97267-3342
(503) 344-6262
Sanchez, Rodolfo
Age:35-39
PO Box 347
Canby, OR 97013-0347
???Estrada, Rodolfo
2257 SE 45th Ave
Portland, OR 97215-3727
(503) 234-1423
You cant pigeonhole SZ in a few line post, pedophilia and it’s proclivities are a study all in themselves, and it is a grotesque task. There are all kinds of freaks in this area. Homicidial and abducting are much more rare.
This guy’s escalations came quickly, but someone knows about him.. his early victims and likely a juvenile peer group.
B
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You have my attention!
So are we talking juvenile peer group back when SZ was a juvenile-or juvenile peer group,as in, he may still be a juvenile-or juvenile peer group of SZ’s victims???
Still here, waiting ….
@Kimberly
There is also someone in the Columbia Co. jail with the same “e” name that looks like him too, short though
Do people know about http://www.spokeo – it gleans your info from a variety of sources on the net and public records, it has been making the rounds of my contacts and we are all going in and deleting our stuff, not all accurate, but it has maps to people’s houses sometimes!
might be good to snoop on others though for you expert sleuthers (who I totally appreciate and wonder if LE might too!)
Sammy says: “… these are the 2 pics being discussed:
#1 picture: we can see a guy in the very top corner of pic and CAN see his face. (talk has been that this man HAS been ID’d by Skyline parents/staff)
#2 picture: The pic of the guy in the background wearing the plaid shirt that is standing with a little (Asian?) girl = “MM” (Mystery Man). This man’s face cannot be seen in the photo.”
Maybe I am loosing it, but I have seen the man from pict#1 with the girl from pict#2 at other occasions.
I just ran into a SO very close to the school that I had never seen reported before.
“A registered sex offender was arrested on Sept. 23 for crimes that had been occurring for the last month between him and a family member at the Mountain View Apartments south of Scappoose. …. Gottsberger’s original offense occurred in Montana, where he was convicted of molesting children.”
http://www.thechronicleonline.com/news/local_news/article_c8049a16-c766-11df-94e0-001cc4c03286.html
I apologize if I was too harsh for some tastes, btw.
B
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Blink, as far as I’m concerned-there is NO ‘too harsh” for the topics we are discussing. Let er rip-we can take it!
MockingbirdSings~
Have you seen/used this site: http://multcoproptax.org/search.asp
(-or- http://multcoproptax.org/ IF the first link won’t let you– just sign in @”guest log-in”)
Excellent site to see info on Mult Co Property Records.
Interesting how 1x Legal Desc is: NW Mexican Restaurants LLC.
1x Owner Name is: NW Mexican Restaurants LLC DBA: MUCHAS GRACIAS w/ Owner Addy PO BX in Canby
Make sure to check out Sales Information.
Happy hunting …
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MockingbirdSings says:
January 14, 2011 at 5:02 pm
riverpearl says – MockingbirdSings-You were “questioning about names” of Beaverton Hillsdale former Wendy’s etc. Check this site (which is a great little resource for property info in city) : http://www.portlandmaps.com/
You’ll find your “names” which will give you a start point. Did not want to put “names” out as not sure if there is “connection” yet. But, the “ownership” of property has gonna back & forth.
Also I inputted Renada (sp) address since is “Portland” but interesting no owner name etc. hmmm
Hope this helps.
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Thanks. I looked at the maps but I think the owner names are probably property owners who lease the property out to others for fast food and car wash. I used to live over there and Wendy’s was there when my grown kids were little. I was trying to figure out who had the Muchas Gracias franchise – I doubt if they own the property. From what I can tell, you don’t have to register your business name in Oregon, and some don’t because of fees and business plan requirements, but most will tell you it’s for your own protection as a business. You have to have other licenses and deal with business taxes, etc. I looked at the food inspection records. M.G. was inspected twice in 2010, but the reports don’t give a person’s name, just the restaurant name.
I know who owns the house on Renada Street and put the name out here last summer, but I’ve never found any information on the person – I suspect they don’t live in Oregon. I’m not sure who handles the renting or maintenance of the house.
I can certainly see why a money laundering case would take a long time to investigate.
beejay says:
January 15, 2011 at 11:22 am
….I’m with ya’ll. Personal events will never stop me. I am quietly relentless…..
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“Quietly relentless”-that’s perfect Beejay! We love ya-please get better and I wish the best for you, your Mom and family at this time.
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MockingbirdSings says: January 15, 2011 at 1:14 pm
“It’s possible that Terri took the picture that includes the Mystery Man by accident, not realizing he would step into the picture. It’s possible she didn’t care who else was in the picture, and was in a hurry to be done. It’s possible she wanted someone else to show up to prove she was there when everyone else was. It’s possible she knew this man, possible she didn’t. It’s possible she had seen him around, and/or the child or children. (I don’t think she saw them with Kyron.)”
I guess it depends on which camp you are in: If you think Terri Horman is involved, then the inclusion of another person other than the photo’s subject would be deliberate, or possibly a massive screw-up. If you are not of that mindset, then the inclusion of the person in the foreground is most likely incidental, not intentional, and due to the presence of others in the classroom.
Mockingbirdsays: “It’s also possible that Terri took another picture with the man’s face and put it somewhere for safekeeping – maybe with her parents or a friend who hasn’t been identified or searched. IMO, she would only have done that if she knew what he was going to do and wanted something to offer LE if she is ever charged with a crime and likely to go to jail, or for her own ‘security’ or for money.” If Ms. Horman had such a photo that would exonerate her, then why withhold it?
“A lot of people might ID that person only by the ‘loud’ shirt or jacket. I am always trying to train myself to look at faces rather than clothing for ID, but it’s hard to look directly at people we don’t know for more than an instant. If the shirt/jacket was not changed and the person spotted later with 2 girls and Kyron was the same one and still wearing it, whoever saw them is bound to have seen the picture Terri posted by now and made a connection for LE – even if it was a child, perhaps unless they were really young.”
Are you suggesting that perhaps the “man in plaid” wore that shirt so that the shirt would be remembered, not him? To me, the shirt (or jacket) could either be an outdoorsman’s jacket or a plaid flannel shirt. Like “big white ‘bubba’ trucks” (pickup trucks), plaid shirts and jackets are not terribly unusual around Portland.
“Are we really sure the person in the picture is not a woman? Are we judging only by the plaid or did we have some other verification it was a man in the picture? It’s not that unusual for some women in a hurry to grab whatever jacket is closest to the door rather than take time to hunt for their own. I think someone asked that before but at the time, I don’t think we knew for certain.”
If you enhance and blow-up the photo, the mystery man is definitely male and with facial hair. He looks a bit older and “weathered.”
“If the girls were going to daycare and just looking at the SF on the way, were they (and the man and Kyron) headed toward the daycare area or toward an outside door when they were seen? Why would Kyron go somewhere with them in a vehicle – happily – and if he did, or was forced to go, why would the 2 girls be along for whatever happened next?”
Unless I’m mistaken, the daycare is only a transitional before- and after-school program. As such, if there were children in day care who attended the science fair, they would be arriving from the daycare at some point.
“Do we know if Terri used a camera or a camera phone? It’s pretty easy to print and delete from a camera phone, as well as post online. My phone takes very good pictures that are easy to edit. If I move them to my computer, or delete the pictures, is there any trace of the pictures on the phone after that? I understand you can fish for a lot of things in a computer that people normally think are ‘gone’. Is the same true of a phone?”
I have never seen anything as to whether Ms. Horman was using a cell phone camera, a digital camera, or a camera that requires film and processing.
If it was a cell phone camera, the issue of whether you could retrieve the photo data would depend on the type of phone and your cellular carrier. For example, almost all Verizon phones lack SIM cards; once you delete something, it’s gone. If you need to subpoena Verizon, supposedly, the company only stores five days of data transmissions, assuming you sent the photo via SMS.
Other phones have varying degrees of data recovery options. The iphone can be difficult in terms of data recovery if the subscriber updates the software, and especially if she or he employs special software to overwrite deleted material. However, if you back up your iPhone prior to the update (and assuming you backup all of your data, and assuming none of your data was altered before backup), all of the photos should be on your computer.
The uploaded photos on Facebook are are little use in terms of verifying hidden data, as Facebook strips all EXIF data. Myspace also strips EXIF data.
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cd says: January 13, 2011 at 2:15 pm
“FYI from KATU late yesterday aftn: ‘Presiding Judge Keith Meisenheimer tells us both Kaine and Terry have agreed to continue the abatement for another three months. The disposition was expected to start this month…We do not yet know what judge is taking over the case. However, we are being told Meisenheimer will be brought in as a “senior judge” for the Horman divorce case.’”
http://www.katu.com/news/local/113144919.html
Very interesting. Wonder what changed Mr. Horman’s mind about wanting the divorce done yesterday?
cd says: “So Judge Keith Meisenheimer is not retired? Has someone told Governor Ted Kulongoski this? How can judge Meisenheimer make rulings for Multnomah County if he is not a sitting judge?”
Retired judges can appear on cases. In fact, retired US Supreme Court justices are obligated to hear cases during their retirement.
Justice Sandra Day O’Connor spoke about her ongoing work obligations post-retirement during her appearance on the David Letterman Show on June 23, 2009. I believe you can find the video of her interview on Youtube.com.
ORS 1.300 provides that a senior judge can accept temporary assignment from the court, and while serving, has “all the judicial powers and duties….of a regularly elected and qualified judge.”
In this case, Judge Meisenheimer had already heard motions by the parties. Retaining the same judge ensures continuity and saves a lot of “ramp up” time for a new judge assigned to the matter.
Blink, my Ravens were a disappointment. Let’s go JETS!!
TY friend, that was a rough one, I agree.
Rougher than tomorrow will be for the J E T S? Sigh.
B
@Puzzled, MtMom@ MockingBird….thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!
Geezle-Pete
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers, sister, friends and classmates.
Lea says – I guess it depends on which camp you are in
MBS – I was trying to ask the questions without the “benefit” of being in a camp. Not expecting answers to all of them – some are impossible to answer without more information that we have now.
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Lea – If Ms. Horman had such a photo that would exonerate her, then why withhold it?
MBS – That doesn’t seem to be the way she thinks. If LE does not come up with enough evidence to charge anybody with anything, the picture could be more useful to her in another way. Why waste the “card” if it’s never needed to win the game?
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Lea Connor says- If you enhance and blow-up the photo, the mystery man is definitely male and with facial hair. He looks a bit older and “weathered.”
MBS – I thought no one could see his face in the picture.
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Lea says – Are you suggesting that perhaps the “man in plaid” wore that shirt so that the shirt would be remembered, not him? To me, the shirt (or jacket) could either be an outdoorsman’s jacket or a plaid flannel shirt. Like “big white ‘bubba’ trucks” (pickup trucks), plaid shirts and jackets are not terribly unusual around Portland.
MBS – I’m suggesting that might work for me because I am so bad at remembering details that count. I think when we first talked about the picture, some were calling it a lumberjack shirt. I might have had one myself about 25 years ago.
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Lea says – Unless I’m mistaken, the daycare is only a transitional before- and after-school program. As such, if there were children in day care who attended the science fair, they would be arriving from the daycare at some point.
MBS – I was thinking about when they were leaving rather than arriving, but I also thought that someone had confirmed you did not have to be a Skyline student to be in the daycare, so I’m not sure whether the daycare is related to this case at all. I do remember someone saying that if the school had a late opening, parents could use the daycare just for that if needed and arranged in advance.
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Lea says – I have never seen anything as to whether Ms. Horman was using a cell phone camera, a digital camera, or a camera that requires film and processing.
MBS – Now that you mention it, I assumed she didn’t have film to process since she was ready to show Andrea L. a photo at the 2nd Fred Meyers. Andrea should know if she used a cell phone or a digital camera – you can show a picture on either one, of course. The Horman’s probably had both.
Thanks for the coversation, Lea.
@ Lea Conner
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“Are we really sure the person in the picture is not a woman? Are we judging only by the plaid or did we have some other verification it was a man in the picture? It’s not that unusual for some women in a hurry to grab whatever jacket is closest to the door rather than take time to hunt for their own. I think someone asked that before but at the time, I don’t think we knew for certain.”
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Several pages back I made mention that I thought the plaid shirt person could potentially be a pregnant woman. It’s hard to say, but I do believe the roundness of the belly does represent similarities to an end of term pregnant woman. It’s hard to tell, but definately a possibility.
14.neighbor says:
January 15, 2011 at 6:09 pm
Sammy says: “… these are the 2 pics being discussed:
#1 picture: we can see a guy in the very top corner of pic and CAN see his face. (talk has been that this man HAS been ID’d by Skyline parents/staff)
#2 picture: The pic of the guy in the background wearing the plaid shirt that is standing with a little (Asian?) girl = “MM” (Mystery Man). This man’s face cannot be seen in the photo.”
Maybe I am loosing it, but I have seen the man from pict#1 with the girl from pict#2 at other occasions.
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which makes me wonder even more if “plaid shirt person” isn’t MM’s wife and child and the wife is pregnant?
1.beejay says:
January 15, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Don’t want to violate anyone’s rights here, but just think it’d be good for Portland locals to familiarize themselves with the photos of a sexual predator who has just been arrested by MCSO–last name Barker. He will undoubtedly be out on the streets again before long. He was out free on June 4, 2010.
Interesting guy, about 29. His first offense (at 15) was several rapes of toddler girls and boy. At his parents’ unlicensed family daycare. His parents were not charged, though they said they knew about his problem. In fact, they waged a legal battle to prevent him from being charged as an adult.
He did some years in prison, Inverness jail in Multnomah Cty. But I know he’s been out free since at least 2008. His sentence expires in 2016, which I think means the time at which he’s no longer required to register as a sex offender. Although he’s considered a predator?
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@Beejay, according to my research, if a sexual offender in Oregon has been classified as predatory, it is a mandatory lifetime registration.
Would that include offenders prior to the mandatory “predator” designation law?
Fwiw, Oregon and Washington have some of the oddest probation and parole stipulations I have ever seen. I admit I feel our judicial system needs to be much harder on sex offenders in general, specifically those offenders that prey on children.
B
Jden says:
January 15, 2011 at 2:53 pm
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I’m pretty sure that the PTO president GZ actually said she saw TH take that picture of Kyron with his exhibit the morning of June 4th–at the science fair. That’s not saying that TH didn’t take more than one picture and then chose the one she wanted to post for whatever reason.
@neighbor, you said (again), “Maybe I am loosing it, but I have seen the man from pict#1 with the girl from pict#2 at other occasions.”
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So, the little girl might have actually been with the man in the brown blazer (whose face we can see)? How does that fit with your earlier idea that she is asian, and my question about whether she is the adopted daughter of the Dahne’s. Someone at Skyline K8 ought to be able to ID the brown blazer guy and tell you if he is John Dahne, and maybe ID the little girl. Thanks to Rose:
Rose says:
January 14, 2011 at 2:23 am
John Dahne, on “the List,” lives on Skyline Blvd w/wife Barbara–ages 58 & 56 [Rose also noted this couple as contributors to FCC, an org for families of adopted Chinese children]
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@evie, you asked, “I guess beejay already knows that the LDS temple is right there at the edge of L.O.
I wonder if TVD is still welcome there?”
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Yes, I’m aware. And if the ministers there read their snail mail, they’re aware, too, and have a photo. LDS threw him out in the 1980s and I’d hope they’ve put all their churches on notice. That’s why I was thinking he might be looking for a new church. Nearby, like Sunset Presbyterian is.
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@ riverpearl says:
January 15, 2011 at 5:23 pm
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The 4th St address for Ubaldo and Maria is one I posted here months ago. In the records then it was shown as a house they owned. Don’t know about that now. If someone has time and interest they can search property records for current update on it.
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@everyone else: TY for condolences.
beejay, I missed it the first go-around.
My sympathies friend.
B
zeus said: “You have my attention!
So are we talking juvenile peer group back when SZ was a juvenile-or juvenile peer group,as in, he may still be a juvenile-or juvenile peer group of SZ’s victims???”
That caught my attention as well, at first I thought she might be meaning juvenile-peer group in real time, ie: now. Then after thinking about it I’m thinking she means as SZ was growing up, which would imply the SLS (sniveling little shit) has been doing harm to children since he was young.
Thank you all for clueing me in on MM…that was makin’ me nuts…nuttier….whatever!
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers, sister, friends and classmates.
@MBS and Lea Conner:
As far as I can determine, the “daycare” is a before and after school event only. I did read in the Skyline Ridge publication that for some event last year its director had said non-enrolled kids were welcome for drop-in care, but only by previous arrangement with her.
I haven’t been able to confirm morning arrangements. But we do know that Angella Davis’ daughter, who attends a school other than Skyline, attends after-school care at Skyline. So, a bus/van of some sort delivers her to Skyline. I would think morning arrangements might be similar?? And Skyline students in before-school care would be moving to their classrooms, of course, at the scheduled time for the day.
Someone at Skyline should be able to get details on this. Maybe they don’t want to publish. Looking at the school layout, I always wondered if “daycare” is held in the cafeteria (1st floor, a/k/a “basement”, below gym–same floor that some “electric exhibits” were on, but they were in opposite end of bldg–same end as Ky’s classroom.). Don’t see another available space for it except the gym (2nd floor, where Ky’s classroom is–his at opposite end of bldg)
Sanchez name game–here’s where my info stands:
I have no concrete connection between Rudy/Jaime and the Ubaldo/Maria Sanchez family in Woodburn. We’re guessing that Ubaldo R Sanchez, who consistently shows up as related to Rodolfo Estrada Sanchez, is the same person as Ubaldo F Sanchez in Woodburn. And I’m no longer sure he is.
Without that link, we have nothing to tie Elsy and kids to Rudy/Jaime.
Maybe whoever here suggested that Ubaldo R Sanchez is an alias name for Rudy is right.
For months I’ve found Elizabeth Sanchez Sanchez, and more recently Elizabeth Estrada Sanchez, as a relative of Jaime’s. I have nothing to suggest she is our Elsy. Don’t think she is; think she’s Jaime’s wife. Maybe.
Unfortunately, a lot of illegals–esp the women–leave no footprints. So, who is Rudy’s wife?
Elsy being related to Rudy is a compelling theory, but it may be wrong. Searching for evidence….
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@MockingbirdSings and everyone: The situation where I live is that we commonly have families of illegals and legals living in a single family house together. Often a rental. When LE approaches, people dive out of windows and disappear–because we have laws limiting the number of unrelated adults who can live in a single-faily home.
I think that’s the situation on SE Renada St. If you go to Google Maps, it pulls up the photo of the house. You can use the white arrows in the middle of the street to move up and down. You can also rotate 360 degrees. Get a 5X magnifier and you’ll see the photo imprinted as “Google 2009″. There sits the black vehicle with dark windows (now Clean Factor?) Plus a white close-in van; a red open-bed pickup; a small silver sedan and a small light blue metallic sedan.
Where I live, Mexican wives usually stay home with the children and drive sedans rather than trucks (or they have MPVs–not work trucks). And younger Mexican men sometimes drive sedans.
(Oh, and the older caucasian neighbor is cutting her grass in the 2009 Google map!)
That is where I am at, too. I think Ublado F is Ubaldo Fernandez-Sanchez. By the placement of the Sanchez name, it could be that Rodolfo Sanchez (paternal) Estrada (maternal) might be the cousin of Ubaldo Fernandez (paretnal) Sanchez (maternal) if RS’s father and Ubaldo F’s mother were sibblings. There is about a 10-15 year age gap between RS and Ubaldo F.
I’m looking for the link, or a definative way to rule this out. Just a reminder, besides the coincidence of the timing and the names, one of the posters here long ago contacted the reporter on the missing kids and was told that LE stone walled her when she asked for more details. Why not just say these people have no connection to Ky?
28.beejay says:
January 16, 2011 at 8:42 am
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I have no concrete connection between Rudy/Jaime and the Ubaldo/Maria Sanchez family in Woodburn.
Beejay,
Don’t think so and here is why. Jaime and Rudy would pass on the Sanchez name to their wives, not the Estrada name. My guess is she is a sister. I know the Estrada presents first and then Sanchez, but I think it is the cultural difference between USA and Mexico that creates some of this confusion. Example: What is your first, middle and last name? How would Elizabeth Sanchez-Estrada answer that question and how would an American trained person fill out a form based on her response. All just MHO.
I do find the Sanchez-Sanchez name interesting. An Estrada-Sanchez female that would marry a Sanchez man would become a Sanchez-Sanchez, (kind of like a Smith-Smith), but how did Freddy a/k/a AS-S get that name? Sanchez father and Sanchez mother, or did someone record the same last name twice? The way Freddy pops up with the Sanchez-Estrada’s, it is MO that he is either a cousin, brother or in-law.
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For months I’ve found Elizabeth Sanchez Sanchez, and more recently Elizabeth Estrada Sanchez, as a relative of Jaime’s.
Blink: TY.
About the plaid shirt person (“MM”) being a pregnant woman? If so, I doubt that MM is Barbara Dahne (age 56), though it’s possible (I’d shoot myself. lol)
Definitely not a woman with a gotee. No need for any firearms.
B
Beejay,
One last thing (for now LOL) on Elsy.
http://www.peoplesmart.com/psp.aspx?_act=results
This is a Portland search of the Mejia-Puerto name. Notice Jamie, the little girl, does not carry the name Sanchez, only the Mejia name. If Elsy was married to Jamies father, then he would be a Mejia and Elsy’s father a Puerto, BUT if she was not married to Jamie’s father, then Mejia-Puerto is Elsy’s maiden name.
Sorry Beejay, meant to say do not think she is Jaime’s wife, but rather his sister.
30.enumclawrose says:
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January 16, 2011 at 9:38 am
Beejay,
Don’t think so and here is why.
CORRECTION (OMG I get so confused), a Sanchez-Estrada female that married a Sanchez man would become a Sanchez-Sanchez. Okay, will quit for awhile. PHEWW!
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I do find the Sanchez-Sanchez name interesting. An Estrada-Sanchez female that would marry a Sanchez man would become a Sanchez-Sanchez
28.zeus says:
January 16, 2011 at 5:48 am
Jden says:
January 15, 2011 at 2:53 pm
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I’m pretty sure that the PTO president GZ actually said she saw TH take that picture of Kyron with his exhibit the morning of June 4th–at the science fair. That’s not saying that TH didn’t take more than one picture and then chose the one she wanted to post for whatever reason.
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@Zeus- You are correct. Gina Zimmerman was present with TH and Ky when these photos were taken. She states this fact in the Dateline special with Kate Snow (links to show are not yet available from NBC).
Question- I am assuming our Mystery Man (MM) is the flannel shirt person in the SF photo. OR is it the man in the upper left corner of the photo? The only one with the flannel shirt person I’ve seen does not have a head visible, hence the “headless lumberjack” moniker. IDK how anyone is getting any description of the lumberjack since there is no head, so maybe some of you have photos that I haven’t seen? Color me confused now.
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@MBS- TY for the covert operations on Renada. Please be careful. IMHO what you have observed is suspicious, although considering all the chit going down within the family, I’m not surprised that they might be feeling a bit paranoid. Still, the entire clan and their many business endeavors/aliases are WEIRD. FWIW, I do not believe that RS/RSE is in custody. Blink has stated that local media tells her he has been elusive. Houze/Bunch claims they cannot find him. IMHO he is not in any jail and is keeping a low profile for obvious reasons. I do not belive he is our SZ, and I have my doubts about the MFH plot. IF there were any concrete evidence of the MFH, TH and RS would have been charged by now. Just MOO, feel free to throw all the produce you want at me.
Goatee, Blink? I’m getting confused! “MM” is the plaid shirt person. The man in the brown blazer, with facial hair, is the only one whose face I can see. Merciful heavens.
@enumclawrose: Your naming logic is flawless. I wish folks would follow logic, convention, or something. Where does it put us that the relative of Jaime’s is known as both Elizabeth Estrada Sanchez and Elizabeth Sanchez Sanchez? Did he marry his sister? Lol.
I demand birth certificates. And a history of alias names, with dates. I want to know which conventions these people followed, and where they deviated and for what motivations. Welfare checks, food stamps, etc. to families with dependent children? Use of childrens’ Social Security nos? WTH?
Have you ever found a male Puerto relative of Elsy’s? Why might she be using the alias name Mejia-Puerto? I’m totally empty-handed on that.
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Note to anyone who wants to bookmark/keep this. Link to a SM page where lots of our names/addys were posted. It’s a little outdated. Ex–we never found that 955 was given on the missing child posters as residence of Elsy’s kids, as was thought early on:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8553.120 [SCROLL down pg]
@ Idahogal says:
January 16, 2011 at 9:53 am
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For moral support, I’m with you on Rudy and TH. But I think LE has something else on him, probably more than his illegal status.
Ditto on your caution to MBS. My neighborhood is full of these folks. Some are just running legit. businesses that have a lot of cash income (lawnmowing, handyman stuff). They occasionally get burglarized for their cash. By people who know them. Or by strangers–look for 4 working trucks outside and there’s probably cash around from honest work. Um, and, sometimes from other unrelated enterprises, shall we say.
BTW, you asked where I was going awhile back with comparing Terri and AS-S as potential criminals. Just playing the odds at this point. Put side by side: (1) TH’s known and rumored neurotic, pathetic, needy nastiness, along with her better days of caring for her children; and (2) AS-S’s gangster-facial haired mugshot and arrest record, and his steely eyes. I’m just playing the odds, doesn’t that make us want to look more to AS-S and his associates as candidates for the most horrendous crimes? That’s how I weight the odds here, esp. since we know Ky didn’t leave school with TH. (She sits in a separate box of suspicion for me.)
Can anyone show that Jamie and Ubaldo are sister and brother? Could they be cousins thus an abduction by a mother and aunt in the same person?
Blink says, “Would that include offenders prior to the mandatory “predator” designation law?”
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Not sure, Blink, but I don’t think it does.
Idahogal says:
January 16, 2011 at 9:53 am
Question- I am assuming our Mystery Man (MM) is the flannel shirt person in the SF photo. OR is it the man in the upper left corner of the photo? The only one with the flannel shirt person I’ve seen does not have a head visible, hence the “headless lumberjack” moniker. IDK how anyone is getting any description of the lumberjack since there is no head, so maybe some of you have photos that I haven’t seen? Color me confused now.
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beejay says:
January 16, 2011 at 10:31 am
Goatee, Blink? I’m getting confused! “MM” is the plaid shirt person. The man in the brown blazer, with facial hair, is the only one whose face I can see. Merciful heavens.
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I’m with you all on the confusion with some people talking about facial hair on the picture of MM (mystery man).
There exists (2) different pics from the science fair on 6/4 that show men in the background of them, correct?
#1 pic– has a man in the upper left corner – and his face is visible. (and appears to have some facial hair)
#2 pic– there is a man in the background wearing a plaid shirt who’s entire head is chopped off in the photo. (thus, nicknamed the headless lumberjack) There is also a small child near this man.
This is the person/photo that we are calling MM … right ??
Just double checking here … b/c Lea, Blink a a few others have mentioned goatee/facial hair.
Is there yet another picture that you all are discussing that does not have the person wearing the plaid shirt that doesn’t have his cropped off??
Maybe I’m totally missing it – but I’ve not seen that photo.
I thought I had read (here, I believe) that the man WITH facial hair in pic #1 had been ID’d by Skyline staff/parents, but no confirmation on ID of the headless lumberjack of pic #2.
Also this tidbit about TMH’s pix that were posted to FB on 6/4.
Reading at SM – there is a post from yesterday from Sassifras that brings up an interesting question about how many photo’s may have been taken that day.
Sassifras post is on page 45 of the current thread at SM – and contains a screen capture of TMH’s FB page that says: “(9) photo’s were posted on 6/4″.
BUT, only (4) photo’s (including the 2 pics we’re discussing above) are actually in her FB album.
Wonder what else TMH initially posted pix of to her FB on 6/4 ?
Who is in the missing (5) pictures ??
Who removed the missing (5) pictures??
Hmmmm.
Also a post on that same page at SM that contains a long list of email accts attributed to TMH’s address.
Most of her email accts start with the phrase “lewd conduct @_____”
One has “red squirrel @______” (and one where the red squirrel is in spanish)
Anyone can chose any name they want for email acct names.
But to me, that’s yet another odd TMH’ism — that a 30-40 year old housewife and mother would chose “lewd conduct” as their name.
Just MOO and all that.
From my post to CBickel January 15,2011 @ 10:26am
#1 picture: we can see a guy in the very top corner of pic and CAN see his face. (talk has been that this man HAS been ID’d by Skyline parents/staff)
#2 picture: The pic of the guy in the background wearing the plaid shirt that is standing with a little (Asian?) girl = “MM” (Mystery Man). This man’s face cannot be seen in the photo.”
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/photo/kyron-noglassesjpg-cc969e0971b99405.jpg
Above is a good zoom of the SF photo (LE’s KyH without glasses).
How on earth did this child get removed from Skyline that morning without ONE PERSON seeing SOMEthing? It’s just unfathomable. Which makes me think that LE (knows) who KyH left with. They’re just not sure where he is now or what happened to KyH.
Thoughts of Liam Neeson in (Taken) to the kidnapper of his daughter -I don’t know who you are. I don’t know what you want… I will look for you, I will find you…
@ Sammy – Definition of LEWD (which TmH ascribes herself)
1 obsolete : evil, wicked
2a sexually unchaste or licentious b : obscene, vulgar
@ enumclawrose
32.enumclawrose says:
January 16, 2011 at 9:38 am
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While I do agree with your posts I think the problem
we are having is trying to find factual information based
on people who give and use dishonest facts.
If this were a law abiding citizen (or group) of citizens, I would
take more to heart the information on the correct way of utilizing spanish names. However; these people IMO are far from Law abiding citizens and so what we find when we sleuth, I don’t discount, because I believe its a road map to the truth.
@neighbor says:
January 15, 2011 at 6:09 pm
“Maybe I am loosing it, but I have seen the man from pict#1 with the girl from pict#2 at other occasions.”
neighbor, I am SO glad you clarified this! I had the feeling this is what you were trying to say before (because how can you/anyone know who plaid jacket guy is?).
As everyone was in the same room, and basically one corner of it, it seems totally plausible to me that the Asian/Hispanic girl was with the mustached man.
However, I thought that the man w/the mustache HAD been ID’d .. is he the one you are saying you and your friends can NOT identify?
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/22/kyron-horman-update-man-spotted-in-photo-from-stepmoms-facebook-page/
41.Sammy says:
January 16, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Also a post on that same page at SM that contains a long list of email accts attributed to TMH’s address.
Most of her email accts start with the phrase “lewd conduct @_____”
One has “red squirrel @______” (and one where the red squirrel is in spanish)
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looks like TH was giving a “shout out” to hispanic males …
rojo ardilla = Spanish for: Red Squirrel
Jden says:
January 16, 2011 at 1:49 pm
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/photo/kyron-noglassesjpg-cc969e0971b99405.jpg
Above is a good zoom of the SF photo (LE’s KyH without glasses).
How on earth did this child get removed from Skyline that morning without ONE PERSON seeing SOMEthing? It’s just unfathomable. Which makes me think that LE (knows) who KyH left with. They’re just not sure where he is now or what happened to KyH.
Thoughts of Liam Neeson in (Taken) to the kidnapper of his daughter -I don’t know who you are. I don’t know what you want… I will look for you, I will find you…
@ Sammy – Definition of LEWD (which TmH ascribes herself)
1 obsolete : evil, wicked
2a sexually unchaste or licentious b : obscene, vulgar
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@ Jden.
Yeah … sexually unchaste/licentious/obscene/vulgar .
That TMH herself would chose “lewd conduct@______” for not just one, but apparently multiple email accounts that date back a few years, is just gross to me.
I counted 5-6 email accts (with both freebie emails + internet provider emails) that she used “lewd conduct” as her handle in just a quick check.
I’m no prude (MOO) – but what 30-40 y/o housewife + mother of young children does that?
That’s the way she choses to present herself to the world?
I don’t know … maybe I am a prude.
If I am, I’ll happily wear that hat.
Everything you ever put out on the web is there forever … TMH knows that.
Even if this sorrowful disappearance of Kyron had not occurred, someday her children would have been able to find this info online and be aware of her choice of internet names.
WTH??
Another mark on the “weird/hyper-sexual/suspicious as hell” checklist that is TMH to me.
Nodding my head with your assessment of “how on earth did this child get removed from Skyline that morning without ONE person seeing SOMETHING?”
Where are you little man?
Totally unrelated ….
GO BEARS !!
“Terri’s blog name on here was or is canYhearmenow isn’t it? no computer, huh? and I wonder if she’s brazen enough to be dropping clues in her screen names…one of the first psychic interpretations envisioned kyron in a metal box or structure, possibly electrified or of an electrical nature and close to or beneath a bridge…now all we need to do (LE listen up) is check out the verizon transfer stations in the area within range of a footbridge or road bridge.” I read this on oregon live blog was ther any discussion of this here. Not necessarily of the psychic but of the blog name as a clue. I have always thought that Terri left clues (like CSI) in her pics, actions and various other ways. I thought from the beginning that the CSI tshirt Kyron was wearing was a clue somehow…. I don’t know I just wish Kyron to be found
Jden says:
January 16, 2011 at 1:49 pm
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/photo/kyron-noglassesjpg-cc969e0971b99405.jpg
Above is a good zoom of the SF photo (LE’s KyH without glasses).
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Thanks for that great zoomed picture.. So are we seeing the side/shoulder/back/arm of this person as they are leaning over to the right? And is that long hair coming down at the neck? Wish my eyes weren’t 64.
I like the way you are thinking.
38.Ode says:
January 16, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Can anyone show that Jamie and Ubaldo are sister and brother? Could they be cousins thus an abduction by a mother and aunt in the same person?
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Or SOL. (scream-out-loud).
36.beejay says:
January 16, 2011 at 10:31 am
Where does it put us that the relative of Jaime’s is known as both Elizabeth Estrada Sanchez and Elizabeth Sanchez Sanchez? Did he marry his sister? Lol.
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Would that we could! I do find that a lot of these folks have HUD accounts, some in TX and CA, and OR revenue accounts, so hard to know if they are the same people.
@Beejay
I demand birth certificates. And a history of alias names, with dates. I want to know which conventions these people followed, and where they deviated and for what motivations. Welfare checks, food stamps, etc. to families with dependent children? Use of childrens’ Social Security nos? WTH
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Agree. Some of the search sites and jail rosters give a/k/a’s, that is the only way I currently have to circumvent this problem.
42.Kimberly says:
January 16, 2011 at 2:24 pm
@ enumclawrose
32.enumclawrose says:
January 16, 2011 at 9:38 am
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While I do agree with your posts I think the problem
we are having is trying to find factual information based
on people who give and use dishonest facts.
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PS – GO HAWKS!
Even the fans aren’t really fans here, we all having to adjust to sports pride in this area, which after the BB debacle is interesting at best.
It all comes down to knowing which of these two descriptions she really fits. How ironic.
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41.Jden says:
January 16, 2011 at 1:49 pm
@ Sammy – Definition of LEWD (which TmH ascribes herself)
1 obsolete : evil, wicked
2a sexually unchaste or licentious b : obscene, vulgar
@ Sammy: Thanks for the heads up regarding the Scared Monkey’s post from Sassifrass.
Alonso Marquez looks exactly like Rudy Sanchez (or whatever his name is) and is a FB friend of Santiago Bautista (possibly a school bus driver in the Skyline district).
Okay, the connections have the beginnings of making a teeny bit of sense, at least to me because the similar resemblence between Alonso and Rudy cannot be denied.
Then those email addresses of Terri’s, while she was living with Kaine no less. Ewww….
Anyone found a concrete link between Rudy and Ubaldo F Sanchez (of Ubaldo and Maria in Woodburn, with Elsy in the household)?
I hate to say it, but I consistently find Rudy with relative Ubaldo R Sanchez. And they both trace back to Oregon City. (I also see another Ubaldo R who brings in another whole crowd, but they have such Americanized first names, Pamela and David and such, that I’m not sure a still-illegal Rudy is their relative. Could be, though).
So, I’m leaning toward Rudy NOT being related to Ubaldo F and Maria and Elsy. And Rudy maybe having a real relative named Ubaldo Sanchez Robles a/k/a Ubaldo Robles Sanchez. (If Ubaldo R doesn’t exist, then I guess that’s a Rudy alias name.) I can’t find this Ubaldo in federal or OR state prison system at the moment–just looking around for him.
Ubaldo R lacks the Estrada name.
Oops, forgot some linkage:
http://www.veromi.com/Search.aspx?sType=name&db=&fn=rodolfo&mn=estrada&ln=sanchez&city=&state=OR&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=
[SCROLL down a little to the Rodolfo, age 36, with Jaime as relative; he's our Rudy]
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http://www.veromi.com/Search.aspx?sType=name&db=&fn=ubaldo&mn=&ln=robles&city=&state=OR&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=
[Here you see Ubaldo using Robles as last name]