Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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enumclawrose says:
January 21, 2011 at 2:41 pm
River, Great work! I agree, that the Tweet’s are probably not connected to the Sanchez-Estrada’s, too. Just wierd about the Holm connection. Thanks to your work, we can connect RS’s family to the Angel-Gomez family. At the very least as landlord/tenant and as you say with the owner’s mail going directly to that house, most likely a deeper relationship.
14.River says:
January 21, 2011 at 9:58 am
snip> Enumclawrose~ The Sanchez/Estrada web has one more tangle w/ the “Tweet” name.
Robert L Tweet died. Leaving his estate in trust. The trust SOLD the Renada St house 11/06/2006, $329,000.00
Now per Clackamas Co Assessment & Taxation, the house was bought by: Octaviano A Gomez & Octaviano Angel-Gomez. (Yes, I spoke to CCAT)
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January 21, 2011 at 5:07 pm
In the following video interview with Kim Holm she says that the teacher told Kurtis that Kyron was absent because of a doctor appointment.
http://www.katu.com/home/video/98647489.html
starts at -1.25
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After listening to it again Kim says the teacher told Kurtis that Kyron left with his mom. Then Kim goes on to say that she guessed/heard that there was come confusion at the school about a doctors appointment.
FYI- anyone have a service that will give name/addy for reverse cell phone look-up ?
The phone # Beejay included w/ info on work (new windows) done @ Renada St house is a cell phone #, Verzion carrier.
One map on free reverse look up had a stick pin @ what appeared to be Hwy 30 -BUT- they may just do that as a general map until you pay for the “full service.”
Might be interesting to see who’s cell ph # it is …
Just questioning … FOR Kyron … to infinity & beyond.
@beejay and others running the Renada St name game.. On the permit sheet for June 2009, where Octaviano Angel-Gomez is listed getting the permit for new windows? Did anyone else put the phone number in google and get Clean Factor and JSE back?
I think you are spot-on about OAG being an aka/alias for one of the Sanchez brothers.
I called that number back when. A man answered and there was lots of noise including children in the background.
Octaviano Angel Gomez Canby 50 (Age !!!)
Located @ whitepages dot com
NEVER saw that AGE before in my searches … is someone trying to be sneaky ???
JMHO … FOR Kyron … to infinity & beyond.
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I am having one of those days were posting & format collide.
Yes, I am having format problems.
Below is part of what the format @ BOC omitted from my post @ 5:08pm.
I had also included Beejay’s post @ 3:13pm but it (format) just is not accepting it w/ my post.
So, conclusion: PART #4.
Crossing my fingers ….
Puzzled,
The name Arturo should be familiar to you as you and I have
found an Arturo related to a heating/ac/temp control business.
Right?????
That said, if you believe nothing else I ever tell you, believe that LE knows beyond a doubt that Kyron did not leave the school with TH on June 4th in any conceivable or inconceivable fashion.
B
Assuming the above is true, and I do… then LE would have either have had the chance to physically inspect the vehicle in which TmH drove away from Skyline or they have a very credible witness who saw KyH leave with someone else… SZ?
What do we know about the GK? It’s been said he took off when KyH disappeared, to Mexico? Did he up and leave or is he scheduled to return?
They have, twice.
Respectfully, can we know basic facts of this case and form our thoughts around those?
Not trying to be a biznitch, but the fact that the truck was impounded for search/process twice is known info.
B
That said, if you believe nothing else I ever tell you, believe that LE knows beyond a doubt that Kyron did not leave the school with TH on June 4th in any conceivable or inconceivable fashion.
B
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Yes, I agree they know that and more. I think they have a very good idea what happened but trying to prove it is going to be difficult without a body. Circumstancial evidence is tricky.
who is Octaviano Angel-Gomez?
Bumping the relevant portion of an earlier post:
Skyline parent says:
October 8, 2010 at 12:54 am
“…I might know who the non-flannel shirt guy is, but the resolution is pretty poor, so I can’t be sure. If its who I think it is, he had a kid in Mrs. P’s class last year and he is around a lot, so I don’t think its supicious at all that he would be there (and now that I think about it, I call BS on the idea there were no male chaperones)….”
link:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/
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Note: it’s the non-flannel-shirt guy (with facial hair) that Mayor Adams tweeted about, asking for people to ID him.
Also, out of the insanity corner, TJ (godlikeproductions) once hinted that he thought facial-hair-guy might be his own “cousin” Rick. If that has any meaning to anyone.
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@the whole world: you got a name at birth–use it. No deviations. Ever.
January 14, 2011
http://www.kptv.com/news/26498588/detail.html
The Portland Police Bureau said in November that it has doubled the size of the human trafficking detail due to the city’s significant number of cases — an average of five cases of trafficking each week.
Jun 4 – Nov 15 for the events of Kyron Horman disappearance
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html
Did not leave the school with TH or did not leave the school grounds and exit the parking lot with TH? I do believe he may have left the school itself on his own.
I am wondering how many of us:
1-think that Kyron walked out of Skyline School with someone–2-walked out of Skyline School by himself for some reason and was abducted(planned or not)–
3- was carried out, incapacitated, in some type of container.
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1 If Kyron walked out of Skyline with someone-he must have felt okay going with that person. If not, that person risked Kyron getting nervous and attempting to get away or calling out for help. If that had occurred, Kyron would have potentially made a scene and this situation may not have happened to begin with, at least at that time. The fact that someone got him out of the school and into some type of vehicle shows that Kyron must have been pretty comfortable with that person.
2 If Kyron walked out of school by himself (looking for frogs, thinking he left something in his truck, was told to meet someone outside, etc.), and then was abducted (planned or not), it had to be extremely fast. If he was told to meet someone-again-we’d be back to the fact that he would have to be comfortable enough with that person to go outside on his own and meet said person. On the other hand-if Kyron went outside on his own and was abducted randomly by a predator who just lucked out and was in the right place at the right time-looking for a straggler-then it would have to be quickly done-something predators are very good at. Also, we have been told that Kyron was not a wanderer and tended to stay close by-although most kids have a feeling of safety while at their schools.
3 Kyron was grabbed and subdued (chloroform, sedating hypodermic, etc.), somewhere inside the school and at some point after that was carried out in a container (suitcase, duffel bag, box, janitor type wheeled cart with those big canvas bags attached, recycle type container, rolled into a carpet, etc., etc.)
I think this last one is the most likely way, but what keeps me wondering is Desiree’s comment about the child seen outside by the white truck (“why would Kyron be outside to begin with?”). I think that child may have turned out to be a different child than Kyron, but we don’t know for sure.
All the jobs I have had, there were always so many delivery people coming and going that if I had ever had to think of one with a certain size container, I would have been hard pressed to remember.
I saw a picture of Skyline right after Kyron went missing and it creeped me out that there was a half full, black garbage bag on the back steps of the school. I always thought then how easy it would have been for someone to take him out of the school in almost anything.
JMO
Dear Beejay,
I was interested in reading about the liquor license but both links come up 404.
@Beejay
now don’t go all Blink on us and float an idea without telling what it means … we’re already driving in the carpool lane to crazy! This is what I think you’re suggesting…
THE Rudy Sanchez was in custody prior to June 4th, but unrelated to KyH … was released for the MFH sting … returned to custody. The person photographed with the little girl IS NOT Rudy … but is “Rudy like” and is keeping his landscaping maintenance business operational… who’s identity really is Octaviano Angel-Gomez.
21.lyla says:
January 21, 2011 at 12:29 pm
…the impression I get is that a child could have easily left without being seen.
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Lyla, that has always been my impression as well. Especially if the child was told by a parent he tries hard to please exactly what to do and when to do it, even if that meant meeting up with a man or woman he hardly knew.
There is a reason Desiree and Kaine felt regret about the chat they had with Kyron about his listening issues at school.
I say this with a broken heart for them, and for Ky.
B
May I add, that is a very creepy profile picture of GK on Facebook.
As long as we’re delving into our archives, remember back around Sept 6 when we were discussing the oddly coincidental death (under suspicious circumstances, probably murdered) of Jason Troy Doering? Stepson of 57-yr old Merrie Doering, administrator at Missing Kyron Horman Facebook.
IIRC, we never saw that Jason was booked into MCSO on July 30, 2010 as a fugitive, on unspecified charges (a “U felony”). Jason was apparently in a rough spot in life, because he was (probably) murdered on Aug 15. Last addy for him was 13006 SE Powell Blvd, an iffy neighborhood. (Music World Today even asked “what goes on there” and included aerial photos in one of their videos.)
Another loose string if anyone wants to followup on where he was a fugitive from, and any other criminal records on him. (Some of our posts here had his name incorrectly mentioned as James Doering. Not.)
Photos and other links:
http://pdxmugshots.com/mug/jason-troy-doering
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/09/portland_police_ask_for_public.html
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_52IByvbzaQJ:www.facebook.com/posted.php%3Fid%3D125336750831264%26share_id%3D145011998866041%26comments%3D1+merrie+doering+kyron+horman&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
FYI: Clarifying, with link for upcoming Mult Cty Commiss mtg (horman case not on agenda)– Commissioners have 2 meetings every week. Thurday mtgs open to press/public; public can address board for 3 mins on request. Tuesday mtgs are closed, Board is briefed.
link:
http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/agenda.shtml
Ky’s picture going onto those trucks is great news. (snip and link below). So, what about Elsy’s kids? I wonder how expensive that signage is and who might donate it? Ya’ll know where I’m going with this. Sanchez Nursery Sales has a truck with international service authority. Ubaldo F is related to Elsy and her kids. He needs someone to offer to help him get their faces on his truck.
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“…Olympia – Washington State Patrol’s Missing and Unidentified Persons Unit has partnered with Oregon’s Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office to include Kyron Horman in the WSP Homeward Bound Program. Photos of Kyron Horman will be placed on trailers with Gordon Trucking Inc. (GTI), whose trucks travel on routes nationwide….”
http://www.wsp.wa.gov/information/releases/2011_archive/mr012111c.htm
Donations of truck signage might be made by a foundation, for example, or by (or with the help of) a sign company directly. There’s a good one that does this kind of work and its near Portland, Angel Gomez Signs and Graphics. (Not, so far as I can determine, the owner of the house on SE Renada. He usually goes by the name Octaviano Gomez.)
http://www.angelgomezsigns.com/
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Angel-Gomez-Signs/150277238348405
Given the coincidental timing of Elsy and kids’ disappearance, if I were in Kaine’s shoes, I’d hire someone (an OR-licensed PI, since they can testify in court) to make an offer to Ubaldo to help with the signage. Might be a very interesting conversation.) But that’s just me.
As Idahogal so famously said (paraphrasing), we can’t just sit around with our thumbs up our butts.
What if KyH was directed by TmH to secretly slip out the door and run down the hill to the soccer field. A CSI game. Noone saw because it’s too steep. GK was there awaiting in white truck to remove him from Skyline.
GK stated that he was mowing the soccer field that morning but did not see the Horman truck. How is that possible? I don’t believe it. Man with that job would have to be on the alert constantly because there are children all around and the possibility of one running out in front of his equipment. Does he tractor or hand mow the field? How does this tie in to Blink posting that photo of the white truck with what looks like a hand mower in the back?
Link this and scroll down to see the photo of Kiara playing on the Horman front porch with what looks like a new bin, just the right size to accommodate a small child but not the dimensions one would normally use for recycling (tall, kitchen garbage style). Is it possible that TmH needed the white truck to bring that bin with her the morning of the science fair?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8373.300
Is Kiara putting the cans into the bin, or taking them out of the bin to empty it? There are three bags there for either purpose.
Maybe KyH thought he was playing hide/seek and GK told him to crawl inside of it. No trace or DNA if KyH was in a container.
So, GK takes off with KyH and hides him until such time as he can get away with him to Mexico. Does not report back to work.
TmH leaves the school with the assurance that she has bought time for the getaway (Dr. appt. story) and her hands are clean because she left without him. Her poly is clean for leaving the school without KyH but she fails the involvement parts. She stops at a few places to establish an alibi.
DDS is smug because she knows KyH is out of sight but (safe)… safe in terms of not being killed and out of TmH’s life. I’m just not sure how to tie in the DDS conx and what she might have assisted. Possibly TmH missed the switch/meet at the two FM stores and became frantic, called and picked up DDS for emotional support and help in finding GK with the other truck. Something on SI.
@sassifrass. “What in relationship to Kyron being missing is associated with Sauvie Island?”
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In addition to TH: Rudy’s customers and/or suppliers, and/or dumping stations plus other RS unknowns. Kessingers and their pumpkin patch, the tree farm, and other recreational venues on Sauvie Is. Ky’s friends at Sauvie Is Elem; maybe a shared bus driver and/or route. Lots of non-obvious stuff–just in case you get tired of the Terri-connection!
Sauvie Island was brought back into focus for me by a post on SM. My innards are tossing and turning. I’m reminded of ‘deep fear’, ‘hidden’, ‘bridge within sight of hand off’, ‘boat’, ‘older grey haired man with big eyes who was drawn into the plan’.
That sweet sweet beautiful baby boy. Mourning in advance for what we will know later, my heart hurts.
One involved in the hand off was cold, in charge, calculating, had access to other children, dark… my heart is sunk. I’m angry and want this one caught. I could seriously harm this person and I prefer a zen like peace, but I could physically harm this person. The fear was extremely intense and no child should ever have to experience that.
Terri will pay. I’m feeling a deep deep sadness on the part of the investigators. The load these good men are carrying is heavy, though I don’t know the details of why. It was quiet for a while but now things seem to be moving again. My heart is so sunk right now, I can’t even tell you. It’s visceral.
There are only two schools in zip code 97231… Skyline elementary and Sauvie Island elementary.
Today my instincts are very close to the surface. I had doubts that February 1st would reveal much, it may still not be the day, but we are very close.
In my heart I feel Kyron is smiling now. He is in a really beautiful place. What I find so sad is that we are here, in this place where these horrendous acts occur, where our babies are harmed. Justice is our only recourse until we make war upon this evil.
Let me end this with a cowards word… I’ve had these ‘intuitive’ moments since I was a child and have just now found courage to share them. Kyron is very very present at the moment with the investigators, probably with his parents. I certainly feel his signature. Please do not judge me if the details are off in what I’m ‘feeling’ as I’m so new to articulating what I ‘see’. I’m feeling shy about sharing it but am willing to do so and be wrong. This is a bit of an experiment for me and is taking no small amount of courage to make these posts.
Just noting the above is this posters intuitive thoughts on Kyron’s case.
B
per River …
Octaviano Angel-Gomz is the owner of the house on Renada where RS and JE live.
Robert L Tweet died. Leaving his estate in trust. The trust SOLD the Renada St house 11/06/2006, $329,000.00
Now per Clackamas Co Assessment & Taxation, the house was bought by: Octaviano A Gomez & Octaviano Angel-Gomez.
hmmm … what if RS is the alias of OAG and NOT bro to JSE
@ Beejay,
Beejay,
Tryed posting this earlier for you but my post disappeared into thin air,
I don’t know why but sometimes when I try to post veromi links, my comment
doesn’t take.
Because of that I’m going to have to just tell you how to do it instead of providing you with the links,
MCSO currently housing a man by the last name of Frausto.
Veromi search of frausto, with no first name, only last , in oregon
brings up some interesting and familiar names.
EX:
Mejia, Arturo F
Possible Aka’s:
FRAUSTO, ARTURO
A veromi search of the Mejia above, brings up some fellow members we have discussed.
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10.Kimberly says:
January 21, 2011 at 6:07 pm
Puzzled,
The name Arturo should be familiar to you as you and I have
found an Arturo related to a heating/ac/temp control business.
Right?????
Beejay,
Cont’d
An Oregon Business search under just the last name of Frausto brings up carpet cleaning business in the same area we have been discussing.
Apologies for the non-linkage, but it won’t take my comment if I post the links, all is curteousy of veromi people directory
B…I’am in moderation..is this post not allowed?
To Everyone,
Soooo I was sleuthing the name that Beejay has listed and came across a pretty significant tie, Due to the fact my head is spinning beyond belief, (feel drunk and don’t even drink) I’m posting for others to look at and hopefully contribute to.
I was sleuthing the name A. Gomez, because I found it on a business search in Washington and Portland.
When I enter the name just as I have listed above on Veromi another round of variables in JSE and RSE appears,
However: what caught my attention was that JSE used or uses the name of J,Mejia Gomez.
So I entered that name on veromi and there appears our JSE and RSE under those names, but was found using the last name of Mejia.
@enumclawrose, riverpearl, other database searchers:
We know Octaviano Angel Gomez owns the SE Renada St house in Milwaukie. I’ve found his name showing up most frequently as Octaviano Gomez. Interestingly, when I do a search for Octaviano Gomez and specify the city as Milwaukie, OR, that’s the only time the name comes up without any relatives shown. I’m beginning to think he doesn’t have a bunch of relatives in the US. And notice that Jaime and Rudy don’t either. I think what we might have in that house is several fairly-recent arrivals to the US(several yrs), who haven’t yet brought or raised families here. Aren’t well entrenched.
Their wives, if any, aren’t showing an electronic footprint here yet. Their kids don’t have kids.
Anyone got the real estate transactions on Octaviano’s 2006 purchase of the house? There will be a recorded warranty deed (whatever OR calls it). But more importantly, unless he paid cash, there’ll be a Deed to Secure Debt (or whatever OR calls the doc the bank or other lender–maybe an estate or individual–uses to show their security interest in the property.) I’d like to know, for one, if he had enough cash on hand to buy the property outright. Also could be more info there.
I don’t think that’s avail online in Clackamas Cty or I’d have it in my hands. Anybody??
@Gwen: I see the problem. Maybe they’ve archived them. I tried accessing them directly and thru OL article with no success. Either someone here with better navigational skills than me can help. Or, call the commission next week and ask for help finding them.
One other option, and it works for me right now, is to retrieve them thru Google’s cached pages. Those are generated as you request them. Here’s what I did, and you’ll have to click on a number of the entries to get everything. You’ll get Staton’s original letter recommending denial of permit renewal; his later letter recommending approval; and some other docs.
Do a Google search for: OLCC bottoms up dan staton
When the entries come up for you, you MUST click on “View as HTML”. You’ll see them, with any luck.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/multnomah_agenda_1-21.html
I’m totally cheating here, shame on me. I was perusing over at SM this morning cuz’ BOC was down, and found this info. from tnmomb very interesting:
Quote from: tnmomb on January 22, 2011, 02:27:43 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9222.40
I finally decided to talk to my brother who is a State Trooper in Oregon about the case to see if he would say anything. The only thing he said was they have been searching Sauvie Island and continue to go there because they have “good reason too”. Sorry gang that’s all I could get. He did bring something else up though I thought was kind of weird to tell me since he ( or my dad) have never talked about any case. He mentioned a family that was murdered and then the remains later found in caves in Medford. The Cowden family. What was interesting though was the point he made that the killer never confessed but eventually they found another way to put him away. Since then his parole has been revoked and my brother says he will never get out.
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I’ve not heard anything in several months now about renewed searches on Sauvie’s, which doesn’t mean there haven’t been any. Just wondering WHAT is making LE so intense on that area. There must be more to it than we are privy to, and the above post from SM confirms that ALL LE is being very tight lipped, even amongst family.
31.puzzled says:
January 22, 2011 at 2:06 pm
hmmm … what if RS is the alias of OAG and NOT bro to JSE
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Not trying to single you out, puzzled, but you did get me thinking here. Below is a link and snippets from Blink’s article on Sept. 9th where she references Jamie as Rudy’s brother. So are some of you thinking he is NOT Rudy’s brother? Or am I just confused again?
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/#more-4549
Rudy is the owner of RS Landscape Maintenance and the alleged former landscaper/ love interest of Terri Horman. He is also the man who says Terri Horman asked him to murder her husband Kaine late last year.
When reached at one of the numbers records show is billed in his brothers name, Jaime Estrada Sanchez, who uses the name Jaime Estrada on his carpet cleaning business website declined to comment to blinkoncrime.com and the number has since been disconnected.
He is definitely his brother.
B
@Kimberly: Help! They’re hiding him from me. Not as a Current or as a Released in last 7 Days guy on MCSO’s Inmate Search. Not on today or yesterday’s 24-hour booking log under any spelling similar to Arturo or Frausto. No Mejia. Duh. I can’t find.
TIA
12.beejay says:
January 21, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Note: it’s the non-flannel-shirt guy (with facial hair) that Mayor Adams tweeted about, asking for people to ID him.
Also, out of the insanity corner, TJ (godlikeproductions) once hinted that he thought facial-hair-guy might be his own “cousin” Rick. If that has any meaning to anyone.
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DD’s brother is Rick and has another white ford pick-up…There was speculation that DD could have borrowed the truck to help move plants for the event at the place that she was helping prepare for. As far as I remember that discussion never went anywhere. Picture of the truck below. Just a reminder. I highly doubt that is TJ’s cousin for the record. LE would be all over that, wouldn’t they?
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30608181&id=1038667799&ref=fbx_album&fbid=1186564177784
@Beejay,
Looking at the sign website, at the thumbnail pics of recent projects….scrolling through pics, came across the raccoon. Wonder if Terri had her “welcome to the nuthouse” sign made by same company?
@Gwen: I managed to pull up the original report (not Staton’s letter from the commissioner’s agenda packet) and here’ the problems Bottoms Up had. They were quickly corrected, resulting in Staton writing the later Jan 19 letter, recommending approval of OLCC lic renewal app. No link because it won’t come up for you; it’s a cached doc:
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MULTNOMAH COUNTY
AGENDA PLACEMENT REQUEST
Agenda
Title:
Full On Premises Sales Liquor License Renewal for Bottoms Up Tavern, 16900
NW St. Helens Rd., Portland, OR
Note: If Ordinance, Resolution, Order or Proclamation, provide exact title. For all other submissions,
provide a clearly written title.
Date
Requested:
January 20, 2011
Time
Requested:
Department:
Sheriff’s Office
Division:
Enforcement
Contact(s):
Kimberly Walker-Norton
Phone:
(503) 251-2520
Ext.
I/O Address:
313/122
Presenter(s): County Attorney and Kimberly Walker-Norton
General Information
1. What action are you requesting from the Board?
Recommend Board denial of liquor license renewal request.
2. Please provide sufficient background information for the Board and the public to understand
this issue.
The establishment Bottoms Up has failed to comply with the annual background and fee
payment to Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office for the purposes of renewing their annual
OLCC on and off premises license.
In addition to the non-compliance with the Sheriff’s Office, Multnomah County Assessment
and Taxation reported that the address listed Bottoms Up Tavern, 16900 NW St. Helens Rd.,
Portland, OR is currently non-compliance with the Assessment and Taxation Office,
reporting outstanding taxes owed, and no payment arrangements.
The Land Use Planning Division has reported that they have no objection to the renewal of
the liquor license.
With the current compilation of data, the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office forwards a
UNFAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION for the Liquor License Renewal
@Jden – I’d really like to help you out with some of your questions but I don’t have time to go back and re-post a lot of things we’ve already discussed here. I will try to answer some of your questions as time allows.
Here is a post from Blink regarding the LE tests:
August 7, 2010 at 5:30 am
In her polly, regarding the question, did you arrange to have Kyron kidnapped, and do you know where he is- those answers were not deceptive. That is not a pass by any means, but it does go to intent or lack thereof. For me, there is no question she let the vampire in the house, but then what? Kyron did not leave with TH. The key to this case as I have stated before, is Rudy Sanchez and his associates. Remember.. “she led him on.. he was expecting something..” B
@ALL of you sleuths in the know with Sanchez/Estrada Enchilada – How many of you are using FB to look for connections? I’m working on that a bit and will see where it goes. Problem is, I’m not sure exactly whom I’m looking for, ya’ know? I think it could be a good tool though, so I’ll poke around as time allows. I’m running as fast as I can but ya’ll are too fast for this me, dang!
@ puzzled says:
January 22, 2011 at 2:06 pm
hmmm … what if RS is the alias of OAG and NOT bro to JSE
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Yes, indeed. What if.
BTW, I don’t mean to be annoying. But if I state my own conclusion it might interfere with you using your own very good brain. I just try to put some data out there and see where any and all of us can take it.
The other dangling guy is Ubaldo R Sanchez. Who doesn’t appear to have an existence apart from Rudy. (He doesn’t always show up with Jaime.) So, he’s also the possible alias name Rudy uses. Maybe the more likely one. I truly don’t know any more about that right now than you do.
Blink,
Do you know if the bearded guy (no flannel)in the pic has been
identified?
Depends who you ask.
B
Again my thoughts go to TH left in a truck that looked liked Kaine’s and Kyron and TH’s cell phone left in Kaine’s truck and pinged awain on SI. Blink can you say that TH left “for sure” in Kaine’s truck?
@Kimberly: I got a business name, 2 men’s names with a hyphen. But the F name has first name Armando. Armando’s addy as well as the principal business location is on 13th Ave in Keiser, OR. This the one? So…I’m missing the link from Arturo thru the Mejias to Armando, the businessman.
Anywho, is Arturo locked up for anything interesting?
puzzled says:
January 22, 2011 at 10:52 am
we’re already driving in the carpool lane to crazy!
*and*
beejay says:
January 21, 2011 at 7:48 pm
@the whole world: you got a name at birth–use it. No deviations. Ever.
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Amen and Amen !
@Kimberly: I found where Armando and his partner had their painter’s license suspended for not having insurance, but they do have an active business in carpet cleaning. Found it! Same 13th Ave, Keiser, OR: Rana’s Carpet. Sec of State listing at link below. Still no clue where Arturo fits in.
http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_inq.show_detl?p_be_rsn=1430625&p_srce=BR_INQ&p_print=FALSE
Dear Blink-
I too, had the same thought/ reaction when Desiree & Kaine spoke of that conversation they had been having w/ Kyron.
It seemed to crystalize how a boy who would not “wander” could simply “disappear” …
someone asked him.
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There is a reason Desiree and Kaine felt regret about the chat they had with Kyron about his listening issues at school.
I say this with a broken heart for them, and for Ky.
B
Okay, after all the searching I tried, now to just “google” search # …
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Portland Real Estate – Local business professionals
Dan McArthur. CARPET CLEANING Clean Factor PO Box 2112. Oregon City, OR 97045. Phone: 503-313-9308 Fax: 503-344-6262 web: http://www.clean-factor.com …
http://www.robertanopson.com/localpartners.html – Cached – Similar
Schedule | Clean Factor
Serving customers in the Greater Portland Metro area & SW Washington. Clean Factor PO Box 2112. Oregon City, OR 97045. Telephone: 503-313-9308 …
clean-factor.com/schedule/ – Cached
OEA Members – Oregon Executives Association
Phone: 503-313-9308 Fax: 503-344-6262 web: http://www.clean-factor.com. Email Me Jaime Estrada. CATERING-ON-SITE/VENUE Rose Quarter Catering One Center Court, Ste. …
http://www.oregonexecutives.com/members.html – Cached – Similar
[PDF] OEA ROSTER May 2009
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – View as HTML
Phone: 503-313-9308 Fax: 503-344-6262 e-mail: cleanfactor@comcast.net web …
http://www.oregonexecutives.com/…/OregonExecutivesAssociationRoster5-09.pdf
Clean Factor – International Executive Association Website
Dec 30, 2010 … Phone, 503-313-9308. Fax, 503-344-6262. Web Address, http://www.clean-factor.com. Email , cleanfactor@comcast.net …
http://www.ieaweb.com/index.php?p=2_12_MEMBER-DETAIL... – Cached
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This is just the first page listings …
riverpearl-
I believe this info is all on here a few times, very early. Is there a reason we are rehashing this again that I missed?
B
A few more “google” listings …
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Permit Activity Report for: 06/18/2009 – 06/24/2009 Status: Page 1 …
File Format: Rich Text Format – View as HTML
Jun 24, 2009 … Description: REPLACE WINDOWS Contact Phone: 503 313 9308. Applicant: ANGEL-GOMEZ OCTAVIANO 7169 SE RENADA ST MILWAUKIE, OR 97267 …
aquatic.co.clackamas.or.us/docs/dtd/issued20090624.rtf
[PDF] Business and Community leader recongnized
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – View as HTML
Jaimie Estrada (503)313-9308. Carpet/Upholstery/Cleaning. Renewed in May 2009. 35 Years +. Miles Fiberglass & Composites Inc. (503)775-7755. 25 Years + …
http://www.clackamaschamber.com/userfiles/file/newsletterjuly.pdf
Clean Factor – http://www.wcid.com
Phone, 503-313-9308. Fax, 503-344-6262. Web Address, http://www.clean-factor.com. Email , cleanfactor@comcast.net. IEA Classification, Carpet Cleaning …
http://www.wcid.com/index.php?p=1_9&id=7833 – Cached
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WHY is this showing: Exchange phone numbers: 503-313 in Hillsboro, Oregon (OR) ?
http://www.lookupphonenumber.com/Oregon/503-313
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-OR- JSE as OAG ?
By TMH POINTING @ RS -and- RS POINTING @ TMH = deniability/ reasonable doubt ?
Carpets clean ? (Was that on the “checked off list” TMH had posted on FB ?
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Beejay~
Clackamas County does not have as much access of property records on web as Mult Co does.
The A & T is open M-Th ( they have 4-day work week due to cuts)
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I cannot believe how simple the phone # was…
One question: we know Clean Factor was around before, than had failure to renew and than a “new” app in 08/2010(?) … the phone number appears to carry through ?
JMHO … questioning … FOR Kyron … For Desiree.