Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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PS. The “nail tech” of DDS may NOT be A. Leckey… but “whoever” she is, she has been “talking” to ex-wife of “DDS’s cousin” … jeez’ I cannot believe the degree of separation in Kyron’s case.
JMHO
beejay says:
December 11, 2010 at 10:12 am
@Al Miller: Lea Conner found a refi of TH’s parents’ home, recorded in Aug 2010, IIRC. Not for $350. Research the real estate records; house wouldn’t handle that size loan.
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I read somewhere that the amount TH’s parents refinanced was $167,000. Can’t remember where it was written about though, but the amount has been stuck in my head for some reason!
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By the way-Beejay-you rock!
Query : IF “the List” IS to include =or= exclude a person(s), would it not stand to reason, the photos & videos taken @ SF, would HELP each person place WHO they knew was there ? ie.”oh, that is so & so’s parent (?)”
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is this to let whom ever know LE know they were there ?
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make perp/SZ get comfortable by thinking NO ONE SAW them @ SF ?
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Is LE/DA just putting out a “short” list to see what shakes ?
Remember, LE/DA have all along stated that different releases were directed @ a certain audience ?
JMHO … to infinity & beyond FOR Kyron.
Ah, Skyline parent…..thank you so much! Now it makes sense. Duh!!
11.skyline parent says:
December 12, 2010 at 12:21 pm
“I did count,and only came up with 213 names, not 490. Could someone shed some light on why that would be? Thanks”
Because the slightly less than 300 students were left off.
Thanks, beejay, also. I’ll never make the sleuthing team LOL.
18.beejay says:
December 12, 2010 at 12:51 pm
@PDX: 213 names represents all visitors, minor children who were not Skyline K8 students, and (apparently) Skyline staff. To reach 490: add all Skyline K8 students who were present on June 4. They were intentionally omitted from the list
skyline parent says:
December 11, 2010 at 6:42 pm
Thank you, Lizzygoat. When I say it, it just sounds defensive, so I’m glad you said it. I’m actually VERY proud and happy that Skyline has not succumbed the pressure to turn into a prison.
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But I did just read that Skyline is going to use money from the bond that they are hoping to pass, for extra security-among other things. Ben Keefer said that Skyline will be putting in key card locks on exterior doors if the bond passes. A little extra security does not have to be a bad thing, especially in this day and age.
Link: is not letting me post at all, so go to Skyline schools website and look for Modernization Plan.
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School Modernization Plan
Skyline would receive the following improvements if the proposed bond were to pass. Upgraded science labs, upgraded heating system, increased ADA accessibility, installation of exterior building security (key card locks) and updated learning technology.
@ Kimberly says:
December 12, 2010 at 3:46 pm
Kimberly,
Long shot, but thinking:
Could this SANCHEZ, UBALDO
34 Astoria, OR
Available Sanchez, Bautista Ubaldo
maybe have a friend named Jake (Jacabo?)
The Mom’s on this case may be the one’s who’re going to help figure it out.
@26.justice23 says:
December 12, 2010 at 2:07 pm
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I promise I won’t throw tomatoes at you. I try hard to keep an open mind when reading the posts about different theories.
familythx says:
December 12, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Beejay, Mockingbird, TBZ, et al, looking forward to next weekend. I’ll be the one in the heaviest jacket with the I’m-not-from-here umbrella.
Oh, how I wish I could go and sit in the corner and listen to the braistorming!! I know you guy are gonna have a blast and I’m so jelly!!!! One question…are y’all gonna take notes and post them or your conclusions anywhere? May I make a suggestion of it if you haven’t thought of it? Maybe make it so only known BOC members can see? If we can be privvy to the info (sob, sob, sniff, sniff, feel sorry for me yet? lol)I hope you have a wonderful, wonderful time and maybe solve this mystery!
@34.Falstaff says:
December 12, 2010 at 3:32 pm
I had to let daughter home from college use the car, more important than me meeting Blinkers Darn!
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Not today but next Sunday.
lyla says:
December 12, 2010 at 1:55 pm
don’t want to send anyone on a wild goose chase after wrong information … I haven’t seen this posting since Sat AM, so am guessing it was false.
Justice23 I have something really weird to add to your train of thought! Hold on…some guy way back in the beginning (first month or so)posted a theory and I don’t know where I read it and I may have even asked Blink about it. The theory involved Intel and them having some (implantable GPS maybe)device to aid in the tracking of lost children!!!! Now, if there was EVER any spy theory floating around that involved Kyron and Intel this would fit, of course that means Kyron would have to be found alive for this to work! Could it be possible? Maybe, but I sincerely doubt it.
22.beejay says:
December 12, 2010 at 1:15 pm
@Ode: Always go to the link. I didn’t before I answered you about your Ubaldo Sanchez. I thought his name included YAMH. Went back to your link; his conviction was in Yamhill County. So, MockingbirdSings on Sept 15 at 5:09pm brought up your guy. Go to this link and scroll down to her post. (I imagine from a 2008 ICE roster he’s either still locked up or deported. Although, he might have returned.) Sorry, that’s all I can point you to.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-11/#comments
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Oregon Dept of Corrections doesn’t list him
anymore, His SID# 12306654 says “no record found”
NelMel says:
December 12, 2010 at 2:10 pm
In most cases, I will guess that a person who has no funds to pay for a top defense attorney is not going to call that defense attorney first — other lawyers will be contacted first?
So…TH has someone refer her to Houze. Houze is the Big Dawg.
Why did he take her case?
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I have wondered this also. Houze doesn’t take a case because someone has been falsely accused and he doesn’t take just someone in off the street. There has to be a case he (Houze) thinks he can defend (guilty or not) and they have to be able to afford his defense (one way or another).
What did TH say to Houze (he interviewed her before his trip to NY) to convince him to take her case? I doubt that TH even knew the case against her at that time, so what did Houze know?
@ Ode says:
December 12, 2010 at 8:46 am
Ubaldo here
http://www.leg.state.or.us/thatcher/ICElistNov08.pdf
1120 YAMH SANCHEZ UBALDO 12306654 7/4/1976 Rape OSP
and also, maybe a “Jake”:
JACOBO-AGUILAR
ALBERTO
17091775
DoB 12/11/1983
Long shot:
I’m wondering if this could maybe be the said (abusive) “Jake” (Jacobo?) from Ashland OR about 3 years ago, a city in Jackson County, OR.
Any of these creepy OR Dept. of Corrections ICE detainer folks released around the time Ky went missing and after have served about 3 years?
Don’t know if Ubaldo & this Jacobo have any meaningful connection?
Anyone know if Ky has any “distant” cousins?
@Kimberly says:
December 12, 2010 at 3:26 pm
“Yes, I believe it’s the same one I tossed over to Beejay last week
to see if she could play with!
She played hot potato and tossed him back to me! I haven’t come up with anything new, but, have been trying for address, etc.”
Wow, I’ve been looking at him since I got the list of names. I completely missed you posting about that last week.
Where did you get his name from, last week? Maybe there is a connection?
One thing that jumped right out to me is a post he made on Thurs (before the list was released to the media; still don’t know when the email went out to the named people do we? From his facebook:
Memories can sure be decieving!!!
Thursday at 9:22pm
He appears to be a bus driver, but for field trips, not PPS/Laidlaw?
Coincidence?
I have a vague recollection of one of the connections leading to a carpet cleaning company.
…And then we hear of a possible rolled up carpet weighted at the bottom of the river.
Sorry Blink, I can’t find the links now.
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Tarheel says:
December 12, 2010 at 5:14 pm
I’m sorry if I missed this but, I can’t wrap my head around why the class volunteer would say that one student was missing or Kyron was missing after the class tour (sorry I don’t have an exact quote) unless Kyron was with her group at the beginning of the tour?
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Great catch. I hadn’t put that one together and I have been racking my brain over the classroom timelines. The only problem I see, is that the statement was reported by Tanner. If only we could get it from the source!
First of all, why would anyone go back to Mexico? I live in New Mexico, and honest it is a great deal for the illegals – our schools aren’t even allowed to ask illegals where they are from, and the medical care, food stamps, etc., are nice too. If I was an illegal, and had two kids, I’d head to Arizona first, and when AZ changed their law, I’d head on over to New Mexico. But I sure wouldn’t go back to Mexico.
FWIW, all of the Santiago’s I know go by Jim. There is a Bautista, Santiago on the school list, so I looked up Bautista, Jim, and poof, it came up with this: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jim-bautista/7/31b/55b, and low and behold there he is in Medford, Oregon. Probably not the same guy, but it is pretty amazing how small the world is.
Also, I’ve noticed a lot of confusion about Spanish names. This link explains it pretty well http://spanish.about.com/cs/culture/a/surnames.htm “In general, a person born into a Spanish-speaking family is given a first name followed by two surnames, the first being the father’s family name (or, more precisely, the surname he gained from his father) followed by the mother’s family name (or, again more precisely, the surname she gained from her father).”
Hope this helps clarify all of the “aliases”
There could be multiple goals here, i.e.: 1. to obtain the stated information about who was present and who was not present, 2. obtain information about the recipient, 3. obtain information about others who later receive the email, and 4. put someone on notice as to information that law enforcement has learned.
Hypothetically speaking, email can contain code or files to track information about the recipient, i.e. the email contains code that reports back information about the recipient and recipient’s computer, perhaps even a Trojan horse.
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is this LE’s way into peoples emails w/o a warrant and backtracking to see who has been in communication with who?
35.MockingbirdSings says:
December 12, 2010 at 3:33 pm
I can see some very good reasons for this list because anything that isn’t already explained or offered by the prosecutor will become huge for Houze. LE has to show that ALL the witnesses are correct or it seems to me you could conclude you can’t tell which are or aren’t accurate, so you must have reasonable doubt.
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That’s a good point. Your comment rings true. The DA is preparing to proceed with a trial with little to no physical evidence and strong circumstancial evidence. This latest list very well could be an effort to ensure that Houze has little ammunition in his defense arsenal.
I’m sure they’re holding out hope for some physical evidentiary tie-in but are not ignoring the possiblity of trying Terri without it. Following that thought, others who have mentioned ‘sealed indictment’ could very well be correct.
@NelMel:
NelMel says:
December 12, 2010 at 2:10 pm
In most cases, I will guess that a person who has no funds to pay for a top defense attorney is not going to call that defense attorney first — other lawyers will be contacted first?
So…TH has someone refer her to Houze. Houze is the Big Dawg.
Why did he take her case?
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Nel, some prominent lawyers gain their prominence from taking on high profile cases. This one was high profile from the get-go. Just moo, but it’s not uncommon where I live. High powered lawyer likes like cases.
TBZ says:
December 12, 2010 at 8:41 pm
@26.justice23 says:
December 12, 2010 at 2:07 pm
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I promise I won’t throw tomatoes at you. I try hard to keep an open mind when reading the posts about different theories.
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Thanks TBZ … I sincerely appreciate it. Actually, I don’t usually get tomatoes thrown at me here, which is why I like following Blink. But saying not to throw things at me after a bizarre theory makes me feel better anyway, because I can only imagine what probably goes thru some people’s minds when reading fairly off the wall theories such as the one I posted earlier, LOL. Just so people are aware ahead of time that even I think some of the things I come up with are pretty far-fetched but this case especially just seems like we really need to think way outside the normal box and it was something I’d never even seen mentioned before.
I’m at 30,000 feet.
I would take a serious look at the GK. Was he acquainted with TH and/or Kyron?
and
What evidence does LE have that Kyron did not leave with TH or DDS?
Is there a “credible” witness who saw a male adult near the Horman truck (gz male)? Has this person been identified? If not, why not?
If DDS is suspect why didn’t she hire a “high powered attorney”?
Is the rumored story of the child who notes that Kryon is missing from a group, with an adult chaperone or teacher saying that Kyron is probably in the bathroom, a true story…???
Then isn’t that when Kryon was abducted?
If the story is true, then the list of who was in the school on June 4th is an attempt to jog memories — because LE knows that Kyron was abducted during the SF exhibit tours.
Was the adult that the student called “a sub” a chaperone in cahoots with the kidnapping plan?
Did that adult lead the kids to an area where it was pre-arranged to nab Kyron, and then just wander off telling students that Kyron was “in the bathroom?”
Who does TH know that Houze would take her case and why is it important to them that she has the best counsel?
14.puzzled says:
December 12, 2010 at 9:11 pm
NelMel says:
December 12, 2010 at 2:10 pm
In most cases, I will guess that a person who has no funds to pay for a top defense attorney is not going to call that defense attorney first — other lawyers will be contacted first?
So…TH has someone refer her to Houze. Houze is the Big Dawg.
Why did he take her case?
Beejay – Yes, there is before and after school care on campus, but it is unrelated to Linnton Community center, which is offsite.
riverpearl says:
December 12, 2010 at 6:11 pm
PS. The “nail tech” of DDS may NOT be A. Leckey… but “whoever” she is, she has been “talking” to ex-wife of “DDS’s cousin” … jeez’ I cannot believe the degree of separation in Kyron’s case.
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There is some really bizarre and quite amazing (shocking if you will) things that are going on regarding AL and DDS over at GLP. I don’t know if this longtime poster named jonesr really is who he says he is or not or if any of the stuff I’ve read from him the last few mths holds any weight either, but wow …. what he just recently posted over there was a bombshell!
TJ
User ID: 1084536
United States
12/11/2010 8:10 PM
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1170793/pg1158
If TJ really is who he has said he was all along and he really is DDS’s cousin and has talked to her in the past, then this information from his ex-wife is quite amazing. Nail technicians, “circle of friends”, interesting personal behavior, his story has it all and supposedly LE does not yet have this connection between AL the nail technician and DDS/TMH yet. GLP bloggers telling him to at the very least contact LE with the info he has if true. They are really brutal over there at GLP so don’t read there too often but wow if this is actually true. One of the other GLP bloggers checked out AL and she is in fact a licensed nail technician in OR … supposedly did DDS’s nails 2 yrs ago so if true, not only knows TMH but DDS now too.
Here is the link for that:
https://elite.hlo.state.or.us/elitepublic/LicenseConfirmation.aspx?Board=COS&LicenseType=NT&LicenseNo=1003070
Maybe I will actually get my Christmas present this year after all … hopefully I won’t actually have to wait til February. May sunshine reign down on you sweet Kyron … wherever you are.
Do NOT know IF is a name you are connecting from/off “list”: Bautista, Santiago
JMHO … wandering … questioning
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jan says:
December 12, 2010 at 8:41 pm
@ Kimberly says:
December 12, 2010 at 3:46 pm
Kimberly,
Long shot, but thinking:
Could this SANCHEZ, UBALDO
34 Astoria, OR
Available Sanchez, Bautista Ubaldo
maybe have a friend named Jake (Jacabo?)
The Mom’s on this case may be the one’s who’re going to help figure it out.
FWIW … updated TJ post in more detail …
User ID: 1084536
United States
12/11/2010 11:30 PM
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1170793/pg1161
Okay, so allegedly it’s “not” AL, but it was a nail technician. Someone who supposedly has a shop in Beaverton.
beejay … if you think this might bear any fruit whatsoever, I’d love to know what your sleuthing might come up with along this trail.
BP was actually mentioned in this post but I don’t really get what he’s saying. Assuming we know who BP is he’s referring to … anyone want to do some Blinker research on some of the stuff he is saying? I have a really weird feeling that some of this might actually be true …not sure whether to feel elated that the truth might actually be dwindling out or truly despondent knowing if it is what it might truly mean regarding Ky’s fate.
User ID: 1084536
United States
12/12/2010 12:26 AM
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1170793/pg1161
Posted over at GLP this morning (going back thru the posts over there after TJ’s recent posts to see what I can dig up further, just in case there’s any merit).
“Nail techs are a dime a dozen in Beaverton, but Estilo Salon in that area was registered to the same mailbox as The Landscaper.”
beejay … where are you??? Can you check this out?? Blink?
kjo says:
December 11, 2010 at 8:54 pm
Great comment Kjo-well said!
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I also wondered if the visitation was NOT TH’s idea, but if that came from her legal team to make her look better. PR stuff. She may have not wanted to go in that direction if she was worried that Kiara might be in danger being around her. Her lawyers may have said-don’t worry-you won’t get visitation anyway, but this will look better in the end if we at least attempt it. So she went along with it.
I also won’t be surprised if Kyron’s disappearance turns out to be TH’s fault or something totally unrelated. Right now, it’s a toss up.
enumclawrose says:
December 12, 2010 at 12:12 am
Do they think someone left the school and came back? Kind of seems like it. If that is the case, wouldn’t a parent kind of stick out after 10? And why would a parent come back by 12? Then the focus seems to lean towards the staff.
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All students have to be back to class at 12:15, so what about staff who might leave the grounds at lunch, but have to be back and ready for class before the kids get done with lunch? Also, between 11:30 am and 12:15 pm-the school is transitioning between recess, lunch and getting all the kids back to class by 12:15. Schedule below:
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11:30 K-3rd recess
4-5th Lunch
11:45 6-8th grade Lunch
11:48 Transition between K-
3rd recess and 4-5th Recess
12:15 All Students Return to
Class
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I don’t think many could have predicted this turn of events-of LE asking not only who was AT the school-but who said they were at the school and were NOT. There could be a person who is acting really nervous right about now-maybe that’s what LE is banking on.
In reference as to why Houze took TH’s case it could be the very fact that some country girl in rural FL (me) now knows his name as does most of the bloggers around the USA interested in Kyron’s case. Mega advertisement! Maybe he didn’t need it cause he is a good lawyer but he sure knew the interest in the case then and what it would grow to be. I’m sure if she was able to gather 5, 10 or 15k together for a retainer he took the case. She didn’t need 350k up front.
@45. Lea. While all principals communicate by email, all important communications ALWAYS go by mail/hard copy too. I think this is as much for “legal” reasons as anything else, so a public school system can verify every parent/guardian received notice.
Some public school systems (mine is one, whose nationally leading Supt is known to be a PR guru) put a high premium on info mgmt, which includes the timing and manner of notices and announcements. I am sure this rmail’s timing and content was managed not by the principal but the PPS office of Supt.
My comment alluded to nothing nefarious, just the heavy hand of info mgmt. If arriving during the week, or in the morning, staff and/or parents could compare notes, chat, compare memories–at 3 pm on a Friday, for 2 days that’s far less likely. A Supt’s Office big on controlling the message would release it at 3 pm on a Friday
E-Rose and Kimberly-
Have you found a connection to Ubaldo from either the Amaya-Sanchez, Flores-Sanchez or Sanchez-Flores families?
I think ***Mieja-Amaya***Amaya-Sanchez***Flores-Sanchez*** are family. I also found Anselmo Flores-Sanchez in K-Falls, age 35. I think Rudy, Anselmo, Jamie, and Roberto are cousins.
Roberto Sr. and Maria G. multiple addy’s connect to Ubaldo. Is Roberto Ubaldo’s brother or Ubaldo? (alias?)
Also found another alias for Rudy.
PS I know there was a previous connection to this country that was discounted, but I think Elsy IS from Honduras.
familythx…you said
“Nel, some prominent lawyers gain their prominence from taking on high profile cases. This one was high profile from the get-go. Just moo, but it’s not uncommon where I live. High powered lawyer likes like cases.”
IIRC Houze has already earned or made his “name”…there would be no need for him to take on a case like this if he didn’t think he could win it. I, too, would love to know what TH told her attorny but then again wouldn’t we all?
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers, sister, friends and classmates.
@Lea: the email was apparently from MCSO to the school. The school sent a letter to parents (link below); another media outlet says it was a “flyer”. Makes sense it would be in writing; not all parents have or give out a personal email.
“The school sent a letter home, along with the names of those identified….”
http://www.katu.com/news/local/111702724.html
Prayers today for Kyron. This must be resolved soon. He, at least, needs to be found soon. It is beyond ridiculous. We are all here for you Ky. God Bless, love to Kyron.
Thoughts and Questions:
Knowing how DY feels,TH wanted her to take Kyron,expressed hate for him,obsessed with his color code, hated Kaine…did Kyron witness her sexcapades, drugs, alcohol,smart off to Terri,with Kaines eyes closed to all of this.
Watched CSI, etc.
Is this case more simple than it seems?
Time line…Kyron told to go to the truck, as DY SAID Kaines truck
It would not take long for two body building red heads to dispose of a small helpless child.
Has landfills been checked, when were dumpsters emptied during friday and sat.?
3rd accomplice…GK…MONEY promised, drugs, sex???
Kyron was not going to get the chance to go with his mama and spill his guts..TH knew her time for a front was up!
If the MFH plot is true…KAINES gone, DY takes KYRON, shes free, her plan failed, sooo James sent away, get rid of Kyron.TH looks evil,alonG with DEDE…Where is the proof that KYRON did not leave in Kaines truck? PRAYING FOR DY TO FIND HER BABY MOOOOO
47.Rose says:
December 12, 2010 at 5:39 pm
Had I known 2 birders were attending, might have sprung for a trip. Only thing better would be a cairn terrier fan. (a contributor’s email?) Good luck. Be safe and full of ideas you pass on. Take minutes!
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Cairn Terrier fan here, Rose. My Cairn, Murphy, is an absolute joy and loves his “sister” Grace!
As usual, there are some really good posts here this morning. Nothing to add before I head off to work except prayers for Kyron and all who love him.
There is some really bizarre and quite amazing (shocking if you will) things that are going on regarding AL and DDS over at GLP. I don’t know if this longtime poster named jonesr really is who he says he is or not or if any of the stuff I’ve read from him the last few mths holds any weight either, but wow …. what he just recently posted over there was a bombshell!
One of DDS friends commented about “Tom Jones” on facebook before this nail tech thing came out. The friends name is Jaimee and I remember that because she has the same name as me; can’t remember the last name. Anyways I’m positive she’s a real friend because I saw her on an interview on the Early Show early on. She’s all over facebook defending DDS. She confirmed that Tom is in fact DD’s cousin and DD is still communicating with him.
@ cbickel: sorry, C, I don’t think I was being as clear as I could’ve been about Houze and why I think he took the case. I wasn’t trying to imply he was bolstering his reputation by taking the case, I was merely saying that there are attorneys who like high profile cases and gravitate towards them.
cbickel says:
December 13, 2010 at 6:03 am
IIRC Houze has already earned or made his “name”…there would be no need for him to take on a case like this if he didn’t think he could win it.
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you’re right. Houze doesn’t defend his client in public … he doesn’t play games … doesn’t even defend guilt or innocence … he defends the law.
And because of the style of defense he does, it is surprising that he is who was recommended to TH AND that he took the case as early on as he did. I was surprised.
justice23 says:
December 13, 2010 at 1:26 am
“Nail techs are a dime a dozen in Beaverton, but Estilo Salon in that area was registered to the same mailbox as The Landscaper.”
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Seriously??? a nail tech at this Salon and mailbox address could be the “wife” of RS … not feeling Elsie as wife … also, could be how TH and RS met.
RS Landscape Maintenance (the landscaper) shows as its only PO Box (that of the Authorized Representative) this: PO Box 347, Canby
The PO Box used by Estilo Salon (and used since 2002 though currently) is: PO Box 210, Canby
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interesting … if for no other reason than coincidence of Canby PO boxes.
How DID Blink come up with the name Anselmo Sanchez? I remember when… but have never figured out how (or how he is involved). Was it Anselmo or Rudy (or both) at the sting… anybody know?
@39. The article does not say “backpack letter home” or US Mail. Locals?
Big difference in terms of effective communication, as principals at exec pta meetings mention all the time.
PPS should have just put it on their website, and sent it to parents & guardians & staff by US mail
@Melissab: Sending you I’m sorry you can’t come hugs…