Fugitive Cop Shooter David Durham’s House Located In NEW Kyron Horman Search Grid
Officer Steve Dodds was alledgedly shot more than once at close range while the incident was recorded on his patrol car dash cam. Dodds is in critical but stable condition. Dodd’s stopped David Anthony Durham for speeding Sunday evening after he left a co-worker’s party without his date, but not without his dog, Huckleberry.
Huckleberry has been recovered by police with only a minor leg injury.
It is not known what prompted the attempt on Officer Dodd’s life, but according to Durham’s own family members, he has been suffering from delusions and instability following a shoulder injury he sustained in June, 2010, for which he was taking prescription painkillers.
Michael Durham, David’s older brother and a Wildlife Photographer, pleads for his younger brother to turn himself in peacefully:
“I wouldn’t say that was a catalyst for anything,” he said. “You know, my brother has been having some issues with a shoulder injury and he had been on pain medication for the past few months. And we noticed that his ability to perceive what was real and what was not real seemed to diminish.” “My sister, Laurie, my brother Willie, myself and my mother, we love David and we want him to peacefully turn himself into the police,” said Michael Durham. “They assured us that he won’t be harmed if he’s not armed and doesn’t act in a threatening manner.”
David Anthony Durham, a resident of Sauvie Island, for the past six years, was a Sauvie Island Volunteer Firefighter, and nominated himself for director in 2007. Six months ago he was removed from active duty for erratic behavior. Durham is also reported to be an avid landscaper and outdoorsman.
Durham’s home on Sauvie Island, is directly adjacent to a highly publicized sighting from a tipster in the Kyron Horman disappearance investigation named “Chas” who claimed to have seen a woman with long red hair the morning of his disappearance at approximately 9:15AM on his way to work, in a white truck.
Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office has cordoned off Durham’s Sauvie Island home and access is blocked by a MCSO patrol car.
There has been a 25 person SWAT team stationed at the base of the street since Monday, as well as a second team at a vacation home in Waldport.
A co-worker of Durham’s at Willamette Blueprint & Printing described her friend as a happy go lucky guy with no emotional problems and has worked there for at least 5 years.
However, Durham failed to show up for work on Friday, indicating perhaps he had concerns prior to the Sunday shooting. In a financial document obtained exclusively by blinkoncrime.com, In September 2005 David Durham claimed he left Willamette to become a full-time college student and that he was receiving unemployment compensation directly to his Portland Teachers Credit Union Account, while seeking financial aid.
It also showed that Mr. Durham was a previous resident on Sauvie Island at another address 2.5 miles South, and directly adjacent to Logie Rd across the channel. New Intelligence Leads To New Search Efforts Today Specifics have not been released, but new intelligence, the first in 9 months, is responsible for today’s new search efforts.
Today, Newly-tasked search teams are concentrated on NW Skyline Rd, south of Rocky Point.
Desiree Young, Kyron’s Mother:
“I have been waiting for this search to happen for some time now,” said Desiree Young, Kyron’s biological mother. “The Kyron Horman Task Force has shared the intelligence information with me, but unfortunately I can’t share that information with the media. I’m excited that today’s search will hopefully bring some closure to this case.”
www.blinkoncrime.com editor Madeline Tanner contributed to this report
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And the School Board, given they are politicians subject to election, have run for cover, too.
Seen any at the Wall paying respects? at Loblolly or an awareness event?
Seen any awareness appearances at Skyline?
The weak & conflicted Penn State Board looks like diamonds compared to the Portland School Board.
Something is fishy.
@Malty, Glad you’re better, we love your posts. I read here everyday. You’re right, they are doing awesome. One thing about buildings in the area, there was the school itself, the volunteer fire dept and the church. Lots of access for lots of people, sigh. I am researching on the Penn State Scandal, and like Rose has been telling you all, there are many corrupt people in places of power in PA. Makes me ask why OR would be any different.
Malty says:
March 1, 2012 at 3:20 pm
@erose says:
March 1, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Thank you for that article erose. If one half of what I read is true, this is just so freakin’ sad. WTF is going on with our leaders, our humanity? Are we all at the disposal of the almighty $$$$? Damn all of the half-assed, lying, wannabees who will eventually go straight to hell! Jeeezz this pizzes me off! Why in the F is this guy mayor of Portland? Please, someone, anyone, tell me who would vote for a man who rapes 17 year old boys?
It is not the letter in this link I call attnetion to, but the additional title Mayor Sam Adams had in 2010. He was in the loop of Portland Police activity. He chose to tweet on the events of Kyron Horman, but what he chose to tweet on was the ID of the man we call MM (mystery man). No sooner did the tweet go out, but the MM was ID’d, however the general public was never exposed to this man. It seemed to be “hushed up.”
IMO, MM looks very much like Tanner’s grandfather, Brian Pulmala’s stepfather, the owner of the houseboat in one of the initial search areas, retired LEO, with a very stellar career as a pilot. From my research all of the Pumala family members seem to have sold and left the area.
February 10, 2012
TO: Portland City Council
FROM: Mayor Sam Adams
Commissioner-in-Charge, Portland Police Bureau
http://www.portlandonline.com/shared/cfm/image.cfm?id=385216
Rose says:
March 1, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Note the scholarship:
http://www.everydayfitness.org/about/
June 13 2010 by Pitkin:
http://wweek.com/portland/blog-1209-in_testy_news_conference_sheriff_calls_off_the_sea.html
a tearful & shaking Staton abruptly ceases searches, calling it a criminal case.
wonder if this was after the first LE Rudy interview?
Article highlights localpublic contempt for Oregonian coverage expressed by the search host, Brooks Hill Church owner, because she felt the Oregonian slighted LE’s work. If she hadn’t interjected herself into coverage early on, might the Oregonian & other press have functioned differently? The last comment on the page was insightful. security tapes had not been called for yet.
since we’re wondering where is the media, http://topics.oregonlive.com/tag/kyron%20horman/index-oldest-10.html
is interesting. Skimming reporters’ bylines, oldest first, it is clear the paper threw intense reporter coverage at the case, led by Andrew Burton, with many adept reporters. The Stu that Brooks Hill owner approves of seemed junior. Andrew Burton would toss in comments like Gates & Keefer both would answer only one question at a news conference. Burton’s disappearance from coverage seems to have been about the time of his article saying Gates declined at a news conference to answer a number of questions. Lynn makes her debut in an extended family member profile after the door note says the locals are mad at everyone else but Stu. She takes a human interest angle rather than a question LE on process & facts angle of Burton.
Staton’s abrupt search call off appears after he had only very recently intensified searches with new teams & seems to be responsive to some event. This seems about the time Terri “failed” her first poly.
sorry to keep going on.
http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/20/devastation-pictured-in-the-details/#/1/
andrew Burton, who seemed a key reporter in June/July 2010 was himself a summer photography intern who had just graduated from college that month, who has gone on to publish in fine papers
OT Burton’s recent work blogged by his sister:
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/andrew-burton
Since he was on the ground from June 4 for 2 months as an intimate observor, yet outsider, I would love to see him interviewed on the process & personalities encountered in those internship months.
About the search of the horse ranch near Banks… I always wondered about that search. I remember that later a report came out about a sighting by a guy named Fred Hall, who, upon further research owns Sky Ranch right outside of Banks.
http://skyranchstables.com/contact.htm
http://www.katu.com/news/local/114935669.html
They searched the area. This was the search that Desiress said she was waiting a long time for and hoped it brought closure.
I have wondered if she said that because this is the ranch that Kaine requested to be searched, if this was a ranch they were familiar with and therefore Fred Hall would have maybe recognized (or possibly not recognized if there was a 2nd white truck) the Horman truck parked at the gate on Skyline.
So many questions…hope someday there will be some answers
T. Ruth says:
March 1, 2012 at 10:58 pm
@erose says:
March 1, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Thank you for that article erose. If one half of what I read is true, this is just so freakin’ sad. WTF is going on with our leaders, our humanity? Are we all at the disposal of the almighty $$$$? Damn all of the half-assed, lying, wannabees who will eventually go straight to hell! Jeeezz this pizzes me off! Why in the F is this guy mayor of Portland? Please, someone, anyone, tell me who would vote for a man who rapes 17 year old boys?
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Wait a minute!! It was publicly stated the two waited until the boy turned 18 before having sex….c’mon, you don’t believe that!!
@Malty and Mockingbirdsigns – I am so glad both of you are doing better as I have grown so fond of you over the past 20 months.
I am still reading here every day, sadly I have nothing new to add. I wish I would have some great epiphany from God as to where sweet Kyron is. I have his flyers in my car and here at my desk, and still sharing info. daily on FB and anywhere else I can think of. I cannot describe the sorrow and anger I feel each day about this innocent baby. It is almost as though he were my own, which seems so odd, but it is just that personal to me for some reason.
I will never give up or stop digging for answers. Thank you all for continuing on this journey as well. Love and prayers to all, and most especially for Kyron. We love you little man! XOX
@Malty, I signed up too, you are not alone. I am also quite willing to volunteer and such, so desperate am I to get more awareness out there about Kyron! I too have talked to many folks that don’t even know about Kyron, grrr…
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@Rich M – Glad you are back with us.
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Wrt the new Bring Kyron Home site, I find this statement of interest:
(Snipped)
Thank you for your support until we resolve this and can hug and hold Kyron once again.
–Kaine and family
This certainly leads one to think that the Hormans believe that Kyron is out there alive. God bless them all, I cannot fathom what their days and nights are like, it is hard enough for me, a total outsider.
Here is the link to referenced web site:
http://www.bringkyronhome.org/
It would be very interesting to know why the Brooks Hill Church owner (Cindy Banks) needed to say that linked article http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_may_have_s.html was BS. (However, I note that the article was published on Sat. not Sun….so is that the correct article she is referring to?)
That article, IMO clearly is blaming the school for losing Kyron and not notifying the parents sooner that he was missing. Also, it notes that Staton called the FBI in on the case, the night Kyron was missing. That being done, it’s clear that not only did the MCSO screw up by not securing the schools’ records, but so did the FBI. All these agencies, working on the same case and no one bothered to consider the need of the schools records? What a screw up. I would really like to know exactly when those records were purged and who did it. I wonder if it happened that same weekend when IT folks were called in to update their attendance procedures. Hmmmm?
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Someone was asking about Terri’s first LDT,
IIRC, Terri’s first LDT was Monday (7th) after Kyron went missing, and K & D (and Tony???) were the following day. I think the second one, that she walked out on may have been the next Friday, which was the 11th, not sure, I’d have to go look that one up.
TY for Terri’s LD dates. imo 2nd LD “failure” is most likely reason to abruptly call off searches & focus on her.
Talk about screwups, in looking at the formidable Burton’s docudrama at OLive, I see on June 5 he documented on OLive a Deputy taking Press inside the school on tour & for gosh sakes a close up ofKyron’s desk & two pics of the very large sci fair tri-board! Talk about not securing a potential crime scene! What good is that project now in Court because multiple fingerprints moved it June 5?
Any one know where Rudy & Anselmo are these days? Won’t Rudy be subpoena’d for divorce Court?
To day is Dr Suess birthday
Who has made children giggle for years and adults also
What the world needs is more green eggs and ham
And no perps who grab little guys like Kyron
I hope Kyron had lots of Dr Suess books
It is a possibility Terri deleted the material herself. Rumor has it she was seen in the school library that morning. In addition, early on there was the rumor she had “school record information” on her personnel computer. Did she delete it in the library?
Respectfully Falstaff- rumors are just that. None of my interviews have ever put her in the library, and I am referring to folks that had direction interaction with her that day.
She was in the classroom, the classroom where Kyron’s display was, the gym, and the hall.
B
Wow, SW. Two ways to get from Skyline to Sky Ranch Stables, anywhere from 14-21 minutes. There is only one road (Elliot) that I don’t remember from the laundry list of roads LE disclosed on August 2010. This is almost verbatim.
Google map this address for Sky Ranch Stables:
23405 Northwest Moreland Road, North Plains, OR
Suggested routes
6.8 mi, 14 mins
NW Skyline Blvd
8.5 mi, 21 mins
Rock Creek Rd and NW Skyline Blvd
Driving directions to Sky Ranch Stables
Skyline School
11536 Northwest Skyline Boulevard
Portland, Oregon 97231
1. Head west on NW Skyline Blvd toward NW Cornelius Pass Rd
0.4 mi
2. Turn right to stay on NW Skyline Blvd
6.4 mi
3. Turn left onto NW Moreland Rd
Destination will be on the right 299 ft
Sky Ranch Stables
23405 Northwest Moreland Road
North Plains, OR 97133
1. Head west on NW Skyline Blvd toward NW Cornelius Pass Rd
0.4 mi
2. Turn left onto NW Old Cornelius Pass Rd
0.4 mi
3.Slight right onto Rock Creek Rd
4.2 mi
4. Slight left onto NW Elliot Rd
0.6 mi
5. Continue onto NW Skyline Blvd
2.9 mi
6. Turn left onto NW Moreland Rd
Destination will be on the right 299 ft
Sky Ranch Stables
23405 Northwest Moreland Road
North Plains, OR 97133
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sw says:
March 2, 2012 at 10:54 am
Apparently 2nd Poly was Sat June 19, with flier & Terri’s mug/truck released day before:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/friend_says_terry_moulton_horm.html?mobRedir=false
Something else left the Sheriff shaking & tearful when he called the searches off & it propelled a focus on Terri. Rudy’s story?
NelMel says: (all snipped to focus on Mustang)
February 28, 2012 at 9:44 pm
“At exactly 3 p.m. Saturday, members of Terri’s legal team left the family’s rural Northwest Multnomah County property in Portland. They left Terri’s red Mustang there….” and next…
Now, the article then states that “According to a source, the Mustang is not part of the eviction agreement that she and Kaine worked out Friday afternoon through their attorneys.
The link I read:
http://www.katu.com/news/local/98673499.html
Then Blink says:
I would like to know more about her agreeing to not require a vehicle, personally.
B
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I understand that things are agreed to in a divorce or property division agreement that are sometimes to show your need rather than what you want, or for other legal reasons that might not make sense to people who aren’t aware of the situation. Terri’s needing a car and keeping the Mustang when Kaine also has another vehicle for his own use is certainly a logical thing to present to the court or negotiating attorneys, but a logical and even division of property does not seem to have been the goal at that time.
At first, I took it to mean that maybe because the time was short, they hadn’t worked out the Mustang part yet. However, it could also mean Houze didn’t want her driving it around in light of public opinion at the time, or she couldn’t afford payments, insurance, gas, and maintenance for that or any other car and her parents didn’t want another expense on top of everything else. Or, maybe more likely, it could mean she didn’t argue for it because she couldn’t sell it for a profit (maybe the value was close to or less than what was owed).
It’s also entirely possible that when Terri left Portland, she thought she could get a job – maybe as restaurant hostess or grocery clerk. She wasn’t very realistic, IMO, about the connection between her behavior as a substitute and actually making friends with staff members and getting recommendations for a teaching job. (I wonder if Houze advised her not to go out looking for a job, if possible.) As we can see now, it doesn’t appear she has needed a vehicle. Still, you would think her attorney would have argued for her to have a vehicle, unless she said no. If he did and didn’t succeed, there would have to be a pretty good reason for that.
(and thanks Idahogal)
@Rose says:
March 2, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Apparently 2nd Poly was Sat June 19, with flier & Terri’s mug/truck released day before:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/friend_says_terry_moulton_horm.html?mobRedir=false
Something else left the Sheriff shaking & tearful when he called the searches off & it propelled a focus on Terri. Rudy’s story?
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This I do wonder about..just what was Rudy’s story? What did TH share with him about her relationship with Kaine, their marriage, problems with the kids, etc.?
Regarding the discussion about school records being lost – are we talking about the record of phone calls made by and to the school?
It was my understanding when that came up before that emails are not lost, but the district’s phones operate through their computer system. That was set up only for short term storage – to automatically delete (after 2 weeks, if I recall correctly) regularly to make room for new data. If the phone call records were not requested and downloaded before that period ended, they could not be restored. Anyone who knew something about how computer phone systems work could have easily found out the length of storage time if they simply asked about it, but they would not have had the opportunity to delete anything. When the district installed that system it took about 2 years to get going districtwide and there were tons of glitches – I asked a lot of questions due to a lot of errors in our building and a lot of staff who didn’t understand how to use it, and gave them feedback for corrections – wasn’t my job, but I like things to work right – especially communication.
I can see how this unfortunate loss of phone records occurred, and without blaming anyone in particular, but it’s surprising to me that there wouldn’t be a checklist of things you’d want to collect quickly in an investigation, especially with so much technology and so many gadgets involved these days. Hopefully, there is now.
@Rose
I always thought the sheriff was simply tired and was called off
The search by the heads above him
I think some else called off the search when he really wanted to find Kyron
And he was tearful and shaky worn out and disappointed
Just my opinion
if he had really been running things this story would have been
Different. MOO
I read “There’s A Wocket In My Pocket” faithfully every day at least once for two years and it is committed to my memory.
Malty says:
March 2, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Thinking about the possibility of a kidnapping or similar, wouldn’t one of the first questions LE would ask of the family members is something along the lines of “Do you have any enemies?” Did Terri and Kaine and Desiree and Tony (fahgetabout it, what cop doesn’t have enemies?!) I think that is exactly how they came up with the landscaper. Terri was asked and then thought and said “well maybe this guy”. EOS So who if anyone would Kaine have mentioned? Anyone? Then I come back to the very, very early on search of a horse “pasture” in Banks. It was reported that this particular search was “requested” by Kaine….why? How would Kyron have gotten there if in fact there wasn’t someone was suggesting *kidnap*? But why? Why there? Just one of the things that LE knows that we don’t. Who exactly was pointing this investigation in that regard? Don’t think it was Desiree, because she was already blaming Terri for everything. (First phone call “she’d better not have done”.) If Terri was pointing fingers at the LS, then who was Kaine pointing fingers at? Someone in Banks who owns a horse farm? I figure they were both asked the same questions, “do you have any enemies who might want to harm you or harm you by taking your child?” Isn’t that sort of status quo questioning in this sort thing? Just thinking.
Re wheels for TMH. Isn’t it entirely possible, if KH was a controlling person as people are saying, that neither car was in her name with his? Wonder if his name ONLY was also on the house, and other things?
Has anyone ever checked out insurance – who had it, who it was written on, who the beneficiaries are, etc?
MockingbirdSings says:
March 2, 2012 at 9:25 pm
lyla says:
March 2, 2012 at 9:39 pm
@Rose says:
March 2, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Apparently 2nd Poly was Sat June 19, with flier & Terri’s mug/truck released day before:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/friend_says_terry_moulton_horm.html?mobRedir=false
Something else left the Sheriff shaking & tearful when he called the searches off & it propelled a focus on Terri. Rudy’s story?
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This I do wonder about..just what was Rudy’s story? What did TH share with him about her relationship with Kaine, their marriage, problems with the kids, etc.?
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KH stated that TH “vented” to everyone in the house, including LE present, that she had trouble with the first polygraph. That’s strange. If I’m guilty of a horrible crime, yessirree bob, I’m going to rush home and tell a few annoyed (at me) people and COPS that I botched a polygraphy. If TH indeed did this, I would love to know specifically what her actual words were.
Next, she has a second poly scheduled…but police make a big show of revealing her picture the day before on new flyer being widely circulated to the public for fresh leads. Okay. Let me get ask this without insulting cops.
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING??????????????
You have a woman who has already encountered a problem with poly results. Next, in order to make sure you forward your investigation with better information, you spook that same woman by making it clear to the entire region that her photo is going to be widely distributed associated with what might be a horrific crime — THE DAY BEFORE YOU HAVE HER TAKE A 2ND POLYGRAPH? Hey, great idea. Why not make the broad 20 times as nervous and strung-out as she already might be! That won’t skew the poly results at ALL, right?
I think no matter if one believes TH is involved directly in what happened to Ky or not, investigatively this case was bungled to the nth degree.
I just have one question that I cannot seem to get answered ever, which may be an answer in itself.
Did Kyron Horman have a Dr. appt scheduled on June 11th or not?
B
I dont know what other people do but I have
our Drs name in my purse and on my phone
And on the frig. door
My health insurance the same
Just in case……
Kaine should have all that info
That was probably the easiest question for Kaine if not LE to answer. I am surprised he did not call that office when opened Monday morning, and most peds are open Sat AM.
That Kaine did not call the doctor and publically back his wife versus Ms Porter’s excuse–a woman he probably didnt even know– tells me that by Monday Kaine had no interest in backing his wife on this easy simple questio.
Having just read his comment, I would say he did confirm it. Perhaps he was told not to address the specifics of it like the date, etc?
B
@Blink:
(snipped)Sources tell KATU News, Terri Horman led Kyron’s teacher to believe he had a doctor’s appointment that Friday morning. He didn’t. Kaine says Terri had been focused on Kyron’s spaciness.
“I didn’t see anything out of the ordinary,” he says. “I wasn’t concerned about it at all.”
Kaine says Terri was the one who was pushing Kyron to a doctor to be checked out.
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He did not mention a June 11th appointment. I would think investigators checked that one out since TH was adamant about Ms. Porter flubbing up…maybe one day we’ll know the answer.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/10/kyron-horman-case-terris-emails/
http://www.katu.com/news/specialreports/122554994.html
Well if Kaine was confirming that TH was pushing a doctor visit- isn’t it confirmed then he had an appointment by virtue of his comment?
B
I felt he did confirm it, using the 3rd person “we” once, but not the date which is what seems relevant to me. He absolutely didnt support Terri’s story of June 11 which was relayed at the time by Jayme Finster. And he was the only person in a position to call the ped office & back Terri his wife on Monday June 7 with regard to Ms Porter’s “misunderstanding.” I can’t imagine any normal husband not saying “the teacher got it wrong.” Parents say that rightly or wrongly about teachers all the time That should have cued her right there all was not well.
Here, this is a whole month after Kyron has gone missing. You betcha that LE at the very least knows whether or not there was a doctor’s appointment and when it was. Here is Kaine’s response, to what should be a simple question:
Was Kyron supposed to be out of school the following Friday for a doctor’s appointment?
“There was some discussion about the appointment but it was unknown exactly when the appointment was scheduled so we cannot comment for certain.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/horman_family_answers_question.html
Why, after a month, would Kaine Horman NOT know whether or not Kyron had an appointment and when it was? When he asked his wife, what did she say? We KNOW what she said, she told Jaymie Finster that the teacher messed up. Only two reasons I can think of for Kaine not revealing the appointment info. One is that Kaine did know and did not want that appointment to happen, so he lied. Two is that Ms. Porter lied about it in order to cover her butt, so LE told him not to comment on it. Come to think of it, this could be both, couldn’t it? In the beginning Kaine says he knew nothing about a Dr. appointment, but he really did. Porter just happens to use the doctor appointment to CYA. But, LE knows whether or not there was a Dr. appointment and which day it was set up for. So if it’s set up for the 11th, then the question still remains, did Terri cause the confusion, or did Porter actually screw up? “she-said she said” Where’s the paper work? Oh, that’s right, LE forgot to secure it.
There is of course still the possibility there was no doctor appointment at all, but why on earth would Kaine say there was confusion about one, and that Terri was the only one concerned about Kyron and wanted him to go to the doctor. I agree with Blink, Kaine is confirming that there indeed WAS a doctor appointment.
Y’all know I am on the record on this one-
The conversation about Ky’s pending Dr appt was discussed on Thursday June 3. TH dropped off Ky’s project at the school that day, and gave Ms. Porter some sort of questionaire about observations in the classroom or whatever. SHe said he had a dr appt Friday, and Ms. Porter, who is busily getting ready for the fair and respectfully listening to a parent who she had DAILY INTERACTION WITH and that was likely all she heard.
I will be honest, TH was not well liked at the school by other teachers, but I do not know how true that was prior to Ky’s abduction obviously.
Over 2 days the school is brimming with activity, projects and kerfuffle and when the teacher notes Ky’s absence, she remembers “Friday-Kyron-Doctor”. It is my belief this also results in the delay for declaring Kyron missing in the first place. We all saw Terri’s own words about Porter “screwing that up”.
The reality is this- the failsafes were not in place at the school prior to Kyron’s disappearance, period.
If you take away a fake doctor appointment, you take away the one thing that might portray premeditation and knowledge on her part. As I have always said, how could one possibly know if this is the case that there would not be an amber alert or BOLO with a defcon status by 9:15 am with his little red jacket and bookbag sitting right there without him?
You could not control this event. Jus sayin”
B
It seems like Kaine and Desiree should have been able
To find out if Kyron had a Dr appointment
Or not
As a couple you would think Kaine and Terri would talk about
The children and health and Drs
I wonder if they were even talking to each other
At the time or what
My guess is there was no Dr appointment
But just Terri talk
Frankly Terri seem to talk all over to everyone
but Kaine
Or he was so tired of her talk he tuned out
The way I re-read Terri’s email it sounded to me like she said Ms P thought Terri was taking Kyron with Kitty to an appointment (for Kitty, because Kitty was feeling poorly in the morning.) I didn’t think Terri’s email said Ms P thought it was an appointment for Kyron related to the papers.
@Blink
lyla says:
March 3, 2012 at 12:18 pm
@Blink:
(snipped)Sources tell KATU News, Terri Horman led Kyron’s teacher to believe he had a doctor’s appointment that Friday morning. He didn’t. Kaine says Terri had been focused on Kyron’s spaciness.
“I didn’t see anything out of the ordinary,” he says. “I wasn’t concerned about it at all.”
Kaine says Terri was the one who was pushing Kyron to a doctor to be checked out.
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He did not mention a June 11th appointment. I would think investigators checked that one out since TH was adamant about Ms. Porter flubbing up…maybe one day we’ll know the answer.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/10/kyron-horman-case-terris-emails/
http://www.katu.com/news/specialreports/122554994.html
Well if Kaine was confirming that TH was pushing a doctor visit- isn’t it confirmed then he had an appointment by virtue of his comment?
B
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Yes, that is my thought and yes, instructed not to discuss specifics.
Just wondering…
@ Malty
“if Kyron had a Dr. appointment…or not…”
Could TMH have <> “Appointment”–omitting “dr.”—thinking she knew he would poss./more-than-likely go missing & he had an “appointment” with SZ? or? underground escape network meet-up? Teacher may have “Assumed” <> and “heard” it in her working memory as “dr”.
Straws, I tell you. Straws. I sometimes lie awake in the night, praying for this case, sorting over knowns, unknowns. Seems so little to grasp at, but straws. Malty, your “free verse” posts are inspiring—like the poetry of clues/the clues of poetry.
Google Terri and venting
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kaine_horman_describes_how_ter.html?mobRedir=false
And you get idea Terri vented a lot to everyon
@Malty says:
March 3, 2012 at 1:47 pm
It seems like Kaine and Desiree should have been able
To find out if Kyron had a Dr appointment
Or not
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I think they both knew the answer and then began to back off of pointing fingers at TH. Both Kaine and Desiree have said there were things about the case they could not discuss.
anyone wonder if it was Rudy in ALL the 911 calls, say back to Dec?
There is one work colleague of Kaine’s with a prior arrest for menacing
Kaine has said a lcouple of things that seem odd to me.
If he was a devoted father as Kaine says he is and his wife the Kyrons caretaker said he seemed to be having spells of spacing out wouldn’t you think that Kaine would have made himself aware of the condition and any doctors appointments scheduled because of said condition. Some talk of a doctors appointment?
Terri calls 911 on the landscaper LE shows up and there is a lot brouhaha surrounding the incident but Kaine said he did not know about the landscaper. He was Terri’s husband living in the same house how could he not have noticed the problem with the landscaper. I know my husband would certainly notice if I was calling 911 about a landscaper.
Why did he come home and work from home that day in the afternoon as he says he did. If he came home early to take Kyron to get ice-cream then why didn’t he pickup kyron and the science project and go get ice-cream.
And if Kaine was in on the sexting scandal with Michael Cook then why. Why would he want to frame his wife for sexting when the sexting really did not have anything to do with or would help in finding Kyron.
JMO just stuff that is weird to me.s
Kaine did not want to return custody to Desiree and pay child support, period.
B
re: stepdad. I meant Kyron. How did he get along with stepdad TY?
Totally agree Malty and I think Kaine is in fact confirming there was one, so the key is why no one will say when the appointment was scheduled. If Terri wanted Porter to believe there was a doctor appointment scheduled that day, the 4th, then would Terri take the chance of leaving Kyron’s coat and backpack at the school? Wouldn’t and shouldn’t Porter have wondered why it was there, when Terri knew Kyron wasn’t staying there at school? Why have his backpack there at all, if he was leaving right away for a doctor appointment? Wouldn’t there be a chance Porter would call Terri immediately and let her know she left the coat and backpack? If it was scheduled for the 11th, then was Porter truly confused, or did she lie to cover up her negligence? Terri says via her friend that she gave Porter the paperwork on the 3rd did she not? Wasn’t Kaine there with her that day? How could he not know about the appointment? This whole thing is fishy, fishy, fishy. LE knows the answer to this question. Why didn’t they ever come out and say, “there was no appointment”, if there wasn’t one? Why didn’t they ever come out and say there was an appointment and it was scheduled for the 11th? Obviously, it wasn’t scheduled for the 4th. If LE came out and said there was an appointment scheduled for the 11th, who would it clear? It wouldn’t clear Terri, because Porter says Terri told her it was for the 4th, and that Terri deliberately lied to Porter to try to confuse the issue. (and of course any paperwork is apparently lost) So why didn’t LE just tell us when the appointment was scheduled. Who would we be doubting? Kaine, who originally said he knew nothing about a Dr. appointment even though he certainly should have? Or Kristina Porter, who claims Terri told her the appointment was for Friday, June 4?
(Sorry, I’m rambling on a bit.)
So, Blink..do you still think this could have been a stranger abduction..no ties to TH & associates or KH? If so, as a parent I would have pulled my child from the school…cameras subsequently installed or not. I just cannot see this kid walking out of the door with a stranger. The abductor had to have been familiar with the school layout.
I cannot rule it out, have never been able to, and in my mind it is still a strong possibility.
I have every reason to believe the individual was a stranger to Kyron, who referred to him by name.
With much respect, I do NOT understand why both Desiree and Kaine do not acknowledge this publicly in efforts to progress the case. They are very aware of it.
That is not to say I do not think Terri could shed some light on the situation, whether she is directly complicit or invited the vampire in- which is also a strong possibility.
You cannot accuse someone of being the mastermind of an abduction tantamount to being beamed up somewhere and then say they left so much to chance.
At the end of the day- she may absolutely be the tipper of the domino here-
However, she did not leave the school with Kyron Horman, and LE knows that. Has since June 2010.
B
Everyone’s failure (LE & bios) to release whatever description of the stranger (connected or not), including race, age, hair, build etc, since June 2010 is reprehensible and contributed to case constipation. You say it with respect; I say it with anger. I bet Oregonian & WW got iced by Kakne because they were directly interviewing attendees & were too close to the truth & ready to publish it. Odd indeed Pitkin, a professionally independent reporter, was let go.
by “you say it” I didn’t mean my words, only the fact all knew Kyron left with an unidentified male the first month
It is rich irony that the master of Awareness keeps the public fully in the dark and unaware of the key factor, for two years, to Kyron’s disappearance
Terri could only have gotten the classroom behavioral inventory from his pediatrician ‘s office. I do not think a pediatrician would ask for this data unless the parent reported teacher complaints about classroom behavior.
It is rare a parent advocate is liked by teachers or the principal. They rock the boat, for example wanting red cards justified.
Many parents try to get along anyway by being very active at the auction & school social & fundraising events, but Kaine & Terri seem nonparticipants. Many get a co-roomparent job (my son’s 5th gr class had 5 formal co roomparents. They field trip a lot. And so on. It is especially good if Dad shows up a lot.
Anyway, imo that form came from the pediatrician showing there was some discussion there about an eval. In Kaine’s shoes I’d have had Porter finish it over the weekend for documentation & give it to me Monday to take it to his pediatrician for his medical record. Mightve helped the fbi profiler
“However, she did not leave the school with Kyron Horman, and LE knows that. Has since June 2010.
-B
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What would happen to the case — by way of fresh, good leads — if LE simply held a presser and stated the above?
How would that jeapordize the investigation?
I think such a statement could produce an avalanche of new, good leads.
Sometimes I hear people muse, concerning any criminal case and not just Kyron’s, that a suspect in the eyes of LE needs to feel confident that he/she is NOT a suspect. This allows LE to trail the suspect and look for behavior that exposes the person’s involvement. To that, I say okay, that might work — sometimes.
In Kyron’s case, LE allowing zillions of online blogs and websites to continue to push the “fact” that TH is totally responsible for Kyron’s disappearance has accomplished nothing.
@T. Ruth:
I don’t think the backpack/coat being left necessarily clears TMH of involvement. It would be too difficult to say “Kyron grab your coat and backpack” with out someone noticing him doing so or him saying “Bye, I’m leaving” to a friend. Those items being left behind are key to TMH appearing innocent and the school appearing to be at fault. I think his coat/backpack would have blended in with other coats/backpacks on the rack, if that is indeed where they were left, until the end of the day when kids were packing up to go home. Only then would Porter have noticed and by that time, I can only imagine her being alarmed and hoping that Ky really had left with Terri. JMO.