Fugitive Cop Shooter David Durham’s House Located In NEW Kyron Horman Search Grid
Officer Steve Dodds was alledgedly shot more than once at close range while the incident was recorded on his patrol car dash cam. Dodds is in critical but stable condition. Dodd’s stopped David Anthony Durham for speeding Sunday evening after he left a co-worker’s party without his date, but not without his dog, Huckleberry.
Huckleberry has been recovered by police with only a minor leg injury.
It is not known what prompted the attempt on Officer Dodd’s life, but according to Durham’s own family members, he has been suffering from delusions and instability following a shoulder injury he sustained in June, 2010, for which he was taking prescription painkillers.
Michael Durham, David’s older brother and a Wildlife Photographer, pleads for his younger brother to turn himself in peacefully:
“I wouldn’t say that was a catalyst for anything,” he said. “You know, my brother has been having some issues with a shoulder injury and he had been on pain medication for the past few months. And we noticed that his ability to perceive what was real and what was not real seemed to diminish.” “My sister, Laurie, my brother Willie, myself and my mother, we love David and we want him to peacefully turn himself into the police,” said Michael Durham. “They assured us that he won’t be harmed if he’s not armed and doesn’t act in a threatening manner.”
David Anthony Durham, a resident of Sauvie Island, for the past six years, was a Sauvie Island Volunteer Firefighter, and nominated himself for director in 2007. Six months ago he was removed from active duty for erratic behavior. Durham is also reported to be an avid landscaper and outdoorsman.
Durham’s home on Sauvie Island, is directly adjacent to a highly publicized sighting from a tipster in the Kyron Horman disappearance investigation named “Chas” who claimed to have seen a woman with long red hair the morning of his disappearance at approximately 9:15AM on his way to work, in a white truck.
Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office has cordoned off Durham’s Sauvie Island home and access is blocked by a MCSO patrol car.
There has been a 25 person SWAT team stationed at the base of the street since Monday, as well as a second team at a vacation home in Waldport.
A co-worker of Durham’s at Willamette Blueprint & Printing described her friend as a happy go lucky guy with no emotional problems and has worked there for at least 5 years.
However, Durham failed to show up for work on Friday, indicating perhaps he had concerns prior to the Sunday shooting. In a financial document obtained exclusively by blinkoncrime.com, In September 2005 David Durham claimed he left Willamette to become a full-time college student and that he was receiving unemployment compensation directly to his Portland Teachers Credit Union Account, while seeking financial aid.
It also showed that Mr. Durham was a previous resident on Sauvie Island at another address 2.5 miles South, and directly adjacent to Logie Rd across the channel. New Intelligence Leads To New Search Efforts Today Specifics have not been released, but new intelligence, the first in 9 months, is responsible for today’s new search efforts.
Today, Newly-tasked search teams are concentrated on NW Skyline Rd, south of Rocky Point.
Desiree Young, Kyron’s Mother:
“I have been waiting for this search to happen for some time now,” said Desiree Young, Kyron’s biological mother. “The Kyron Horman Task Force has shared the intelligence information with me, but unfortunately I can’t share that information with the media. I’m excited that today’s search will hopefully bring some closure to this case.”
www.blinkoncrime.com editor Madeline Tanner contributed to this report
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e-rose,
I think you’ve just uncovered the closest thing we have (or may ever get) to LE naming a POI. Good eye. There is no doubt that DAD is the reason for that FBI link posted on the Kyron page.
@Rosey … lol could be OBL as crazy as this case is … nothing will surprise me … lol
49.GeorgiaDad says:
March 2, 2011 at 11:53 am
i am wondering if it isnt the duty of le by now to give more information in this case, in order to bring down some of the inflamed passions of people. like, “th is a defacto suspect, or we really have no evidence that she is, or we are looking for an accomplice”, or whatever. this blink site is the only place i have ever heard that le knows that kyron didnt leave with th from the school. i think even if that information was released by le, that people would stop and think before pre judging this case and condemning th with words, and possibly violence. i really think le has the power to difuse the mob mentality i have seen online and that it is their responsibility to do so. even if they think she is responsible and are hoping she confesses somehow, to use the townspeople or rumor mills to put pressure on her is something other countries do. in america we have law enforcement so that people arent tried by groups of random people that have no evidence to even know if they are right or not. thanks for letting me voice my opinion.
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IMO I can’t believe how a manipulative the MCSO and DA’s office has been on this case.I think their use of a grieving parent to inflame public opinion of their( non-poi non-suspect) is shameful. It has made me reassess my opinion of law enforcement in Multnomah county. if they have half of the evidence they allude to, then why don’t they just let on to the public what they know instead of having the parents of the victim give press releases with partial comments about what LE knows. Even if they do eventually charge TH in this case I will still think their media manipulation method of solving crimes stinks.
Yes, Neighbor, I too remember it was said last summer the GK had blocked off many parking lot spaces, therefore some had to park on the street. I recall it said he had to enter the office to get the key and to return it.
IMO GK not involved. Blink has said her opinion is there were not just 490 there that day.
And, why would a perp stick up his hand saying “Your list is incomplete; add me.”?
38.Neighbor says:
March 3, 2011 at 8:54 am
@Neighbor: Am I correct to say this is not your first-hand account, but what you have heard/read? If it is true, it is significant, and I’m still wondering if LE has already ID’d the truck. One scenario I’d considered earlier was Ky walking out the bldg with the man (“chaperone”) & – assuming he parked behind the mailbox as in the photo of the parking lot entrance – perhaps telling Ky to meet him along the shoulder of the road on the other side – not wanting anyone to witness Ky entering his vehicle or even notice his vehicle; if Ky thought TH was taking him to the Dr, Ky could’ve been confused & looked for the white truck – his vision being poor, he went directly to DS’s truck until the perp pulled along the shoulder leading to the access road.
If LE knows it wasn’t DS’s pickup someone saw Ky next to, & there were sightings of the truck w/ nose pointing downhill, as well as parked along the shoulder, sounds like pickup was trying to turn around b/c couldn’t get past chain. In that case & again assuming someone witnessed the 2nd vehicle behind the mailbox hidden by the foliage, perhaps Ky did go to the vehicle with the man, and there was a transfer to the white truck at the base of the access road.
Really not sure how to piece all this together. Not sure how many vehicles have been implicated & which ones have been ID’d by LE.
@cd says:
March 3, 2011 at 3:19 pm
@49.GeorgiaDad says:
March 2, 2011 at 11:53 am
“i am wondering if it isnt the duty of le by now to give more information in this case, in order to bring down some of the inflamed passions of people. like, “th is a defacto suspect, or we really have no evidence that she is, or we are looking for an accomplice”, or whatever. this blink site is the only place i have ever heard that le knows that kyron didnt leave with th from the school. i think even if that information was released by le, that people would stop and think before pre judging this case and condemning th with words, and possibly violence. i really think le has the power to difuse the mob mentality i have seen online and that it is their responsibility to do so. even if they think she is responsible and are hoping she confesses somehow, to use the townspeople or rumor mills to put pressure on her is something other countries do. in america we have law enforcement so that people arent tried by groups of random people that have no evidence to even know if they are right or not. thanks for letting me voice my opinion.”
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“IMO I can’t believe how a manipulative the MCSO and DA’s office has been on this case.I think their use of a grieving parent to inflame public opinion of their( non-poi non-suspect) is shameful. It has made me reassess my opinion of law enforcement in Multnomah county. if they have half of the evidence they allude to, then why don’t they just let on to the public what they know instead of having the parents of the victim give press releases with partial comments about what LE knows. Even if they do eventually charge TH in this case I will still think their media manipulation method of solving crimes stinks.”
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Sadly, for the mostpart, I agree with both of you. I still hold out hope the case will be solve.
On Oregon Live site, drug/gun roll-up in P’land, Beaverton, Vancouver WA, Canby today
Also, I think the number of identified cars refers to those that they were tring to identify. That is: in the main parking area.
Rose says:
March 3, 2011 at 3:51 pm
IMO GK not involved. Blink has said her opinion is there were not just 490 there that day.
And, why would a perp stick up his hand saying “Your list is incomplete; add me.”?
@Larry, my 1st hand
Karey says:
March 3, 2011 at 3:52 pm
38.Neighbor says:
March 3, 2011 at 8:54 am
@Neighbor: Am I correct to say this is not your first-hand account, but what you have heard/read? If it is true, it is significant, and I’m still wondering if LE has already ID’d the truck. One scenario I’d considered earlier was Ky walking out the bldg with the man (“chaperone”) & – assuming he parked behind the mailbox as in the photo of the parking lot entrance – perhaps telling Ky to meet him along the shoulder of the road on the other side – not wanting anyone to witness Ky entering his vehicle or even notice his vehicle; if Ky thought TH was taking him to the Dr, Ky could’ve been confused & looked for the white truck – his vision being poor, he went directly to DS’s truck until the perp pulled along the shoulder leading to the access road.
@karey, Sorry for misspelling your name, my phone has a mind of it’s own and doesn’t let me scroll to the top of my comment
Some days I wonder if there ever was a plan
Or just a bunch of confusion
To many things make no sense like meeting in a parking lot with so few
Cars if that is the fact
Running around on back roads instead of the freeway
Oh well
Rose says:
March 3, 2011 at 4:41 pm
On Oregon Live site, drug/gun roll-up in P’land, Beaverton, Vancouver WA, Canby today
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://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/03/federal_investigation_nets_dru.html
…”Undercover federal agents bought 77 firearms out of a storefront sting in Southeast Portland during their eight-month investigation.”
…” The investigation, led by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, also included representatives from local police agencies and the Metro Gang Task Force.”
hmmm … parallel investigation involving the same agencies as the KyH investigation, started last June … wonder if Mr. RS had a small part … notice Canby was involved
Lea Conner says:
March 2, 2011 at 11:57 pm
(Snipped)
Brooks Historic Church, which is across the street from Skyline Elementary, has what appears to be a camera mounted just above the gutter on the steeple. When this was discussed previously, someone suggested that the camera was mounted after Kyron’s disappearance. However, the image on Google street view predates Kyron’s disappearance by years.
If that is, in fact, a camera, was it operational on June 4, 2010?
@Lea- TY for those answers, you are fab! It sure does look like a camera on the church, as you said we don’t know how long it’s been there, or if it is in working order, or was last June. Either way it must not be helpful enough to tell LE the who or what exactly happened that day. Of course, I really don’t know what to think about LE and this case anymore, it is beyond frustrating.
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38.Neighbor says:
March 3, 2011 at 8:54 am
@Neighbor- TY for the info. wrt the truck, gives me some hope that LE has nailed down a lot of details from that day.
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justthinking says:
March 3, 2011 at 2:06 pm
@justthinking- Great post, I agree!
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puzzled says:
March 3, 2011 at 3:13 pm
@Rosey … lol could be OBL as crazy as this case is … nothing will surprise me … lol
@puzzled- I know, OBL, I had the same thought, LOLOL!
OBL and the kitchen sink…
4.puzzled says:
March 3, 2011 at 3:13 pm
@Rosey … lol could be OBL as crazy as this case is … nothing will surprise me … lol
Blink knows what she’s doing.
I am glad you responded because I can’t think of any other reason to have this on the Kyron page. I think it is common knowledge to LE that DAD is involved, maybe someone slipped, will watch to see if it disappears.
3.Sunflower32 says:
March 3, 2011 at 3:10 pm
e-rose,
I think you’ve just uncovered the closest thing we have (or may ever get) to LE naming a POI. Good eye. There is no doubt that DAD is the reason for that FBI link posted on the Kyron page.
OR, the camera at the church is the VERY RELIABLE eye witness that DY spoke of. It might only capture limited angles, which would explain the lack of a solid description by an adult witness.
@Idahogal
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Either way it must not be helpful enough to tell LE the who or what exactly happened that day.
8.Neighbor says:
March 3, 2011 at 4:47 pm
Also, I think the number of identified cars refers to those that they were trying to identify. That is: in the main parking area.
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I agree, Neighbor. Staton indicated that LE has identified 54 vehicles parked at Skyline that day. If the schematic diagram of the school depicted in the below link was drawn to scale one can see there are approximately 56-58 parking spaces at most, including those behind the building which I assume are for staff.
If there were more cars at the school were would they have parked?
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/KYRON/Maps%20KYRON/floorplanofSkyline.jpg
9.puzzled says:
March 3, 2011 at 5:10 pm
Rose says:
March 3, 2011 at 4:41 pm
On Oregon Live site, drug/gun roll-up in P’land, Beaverton, Vancouver WA, Canby today
~~~
://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/03/federal_investigation_nets_dru.html
hmmm … parallel investigation involving the same agencies as the KyH investigation, started last June … wonder if Mr. RS had a small part … notice Canby was involved
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Interesting, this operation began in June and was called Operation Kracken. In looking up Kracken there is information relating to a super computer…hmmm..IT skills???? There is also alot of info for project Kracken in the UK and is aimed at terrorism.
@enumclawrose says:
March 3, 2011 at 6:27 pm
Blink knows what she’s doing.
I am glad you responded because I can’t think of any other reason to have this on the Kyron page. I think it is common knowledge to LE that DAD is involved, maybe someone slipped, will watch to see if it disappears.
3.Sunflower32 says:
March 3, 2011 at 3:10 pm
e-rose,
I think you’ve just uncovered the closest thing we have (or may ever get) to LE naming a POI. Good eye. There is no doubt that DAD is the reason for that FBI link posted on the Kyron page.
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So. now LE might have the closest thing to a POI (DAD) who is rumored to be possibly dead (drowned while escaping) and/or out of the country? If so, methinks LE needs waaay much more than a break in this case. All I can say (while slapping my head) is OYE VAY!!
Little bit of info on DAD’s breed of dog. That breed usually is very loyal to one person, even in a family situation, that heeler breed will protect and respond usually more to just one person of that family. This is known and, I know, because I have one. That dog would be in my back pocket if he could. So, that being said, IMO that dog didn’t leave DAD, even if DAD committed suicide, that dog would be by his side. So, wherever, that dog was found is where DAD was last alive, and/or if there were anyway that dog could have followed DAD, even if DAD got in a car, he would have. So, JMO, I think the dog would have traced back to where he last was with DAD. I’m just wondering if they’ve tried to use the dog to see where the dog might lead them?
1.enumclawrose says:
March 3, 2011 at 5:21 am
“MCSO has a section for Kyron. In that section is a link for the FBI information on DAD. DAD must be connected to Kyron, or why would they take an add this to information on Kyron. It would be out of context. DAD thought the FBI was out to get him because they were. That is not delusional, that is looking like a fact.”
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http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm#kyron
14.enumclawrose says:
March 3, 2011 at 6:27 pm
Blink knows what she’s doing.
I am glad you responded because I can’t think of any other reason to have this on the Kyron page.
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E-rose: I’m not convinced we can reliably connect the two by what is listed on MCSO’s ‘News Room’ page which includes other MCSO’s news and bulletins in addition to Kyron’s case.
If you look below Kyron’s printable flyer on that page you will see links for Flash Alert and Weather and Road Conditions. Although these are not related to Kyron’s case, these ‘announcements’ fall a few lines under the mispelled name ‘Kyron Hormon.’ Also, perhaps even more important, when you click on the FBI’s wanted poster for DAD there is not a hint that he may be involved in a child’s abduction. If the FBI has evidence that DAD was involved in a child’s disappearance/presumed murder it would behoove them to indicate this crucial information on his wanted poster.
So, although I think it is tempting to try to link DAD and Kyron simply by ‘the order’ of the news releases on this page, IMHO, it may represent no link at all. Just my opinion.
Neighbor,
I am not sure why everyone is scrolling and rolling…YOU’RE 1st hand acct of seeing the white truck on the access road on June 4 2010?
Kaines truck?
Are you the “very credible” witness that saw kyron by kaines truck. The witness that desiree talked about?
I am going to answer this for Neighbor. There are some case sensitive witness accounts that have not been released for a reason, however, Neighbor is not the source for that particular item of information.
As we do not have an official POI or suspect, I would be very resistant for any person that may be considered a witness on June 4th or other to reveal their identity to anyone, outside of those who have chosen to speak to the press on their own previously.
As one Skyline Mom pointed out to me a few months ago, these families continue to manage their children’s education and overall attendance at Skyline while the 300 lb. elephant is in each of their classrooms and hallways. Figuratively speaking of course.
I maintain concern for their privacy and that of their children who still have to attend, and hopefully accell under less then optimum conditions.
I would consider Neighbor a credible individual if your asking my opinion on that issue.
I have very serious reservations that this case is both solvable and prosecutable and that scares the Hell out of me.
B
@enumclawrose says:
March 3, 2011 at 5:21 am
MCSO has a section for Kyron. In that section is a link for the FBI information on DAD. DAD must be connected to Kyron, or why would they take an add this to information on Kyron. It would be out of context. DAD thought the FBI was out to get him because they were. That is not delusional, that is looking like a fact.
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http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm#kyron
And @Sunflower32 says:
March 3, 2011 at 3:10 pm who wrote, “There is no doubt that DAD is the reason for that FBI link posted on the Kyron page.”
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Um, yes there is doubt. I completely disagree with the conclusions for a couple of reasons:
1) On the basis that the 3 links have definitely been there all along as the “header” of their highly evolved site format.
2) The FBI wanted link is a multi-resource which includes links for missing and kidnapped, crime alerts, crimes against children and more. In addition to that, if you look closely, those 8 pictures are what you might call a, “snapshot” of Most Wanted in each category (terrorist, crime alert, violent crime, kidnapping, etc.) If they wanted to highlight DAD as being connected to Ky, then they would have provided the direct link to his profile.
3) It makes no sense whatsoever from logical standpoint (at least in my mind) that MCSO would indirectly or directly make some subtle link that he is a POI on Ky’s case. Au contraire. I think that if he truly was a POI, then they would be über careful about not letting that connection get out, as they have been guarded about most information thus far. MOO
I will concede that it seems like another Koinkidink that is hard to not notice…Kinda like every other car I see is the same make, model and even color as mine!
2.cd says:
March 3, 2011 at 3:19 pm
49.GeorgiaDad says:
March 2, 2011 at 11:53 am
i am wondering if it isnt the duty of le by now to give more information in this case, in order to bring down some of the inflamed passions of people. like, “th is a defacto suspect, or we really have no evidence that she is, or we are looking for an accomplice”, or whatever.
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No, LE has no duty to reveal sensitive information to the public during an ongoing criminal investigation, even at this late date. Their duty is to preserve the integrity of the investigation and all evidence collected. Of course, not all investigators/Sheriffs are able to keep their lips sealed, and many of them have certainly regretted this when they found themselves on the witness stands during trials. I think it is the FBI that uses the saying, “Loose lips sink ships.” So, suffice to say, LE is keeping mum for good reason.
That said, I know we are all growing so tired of waiting for a break in this case. Someone must know something….
Where is Kyron????
Neighbor says:
March 3, 2011 at 4:51 pm
TY, Neighbor. Amazing that anyone would try to use that road to stage a kidnapping. It’s exposed to traffic along Skyline Blvd; not at all a covert way to reach the building, but I suppose the southwest corner of the building might be the most secluded – no cars around normally (obviously, not counting on GK being there). Yet, only time chain was unlocked was when DS was using the road. So, not good planning at that stage.
What road leads into the back parking lot?
I wonder if LE found tire impressions behind the shrubbery near the parking lot entrance and whether it matched the tread on DAD’s SUV. Wonder if LE also found tire impressions that matched the Horman pickup (the truck was inspected twice). DS said the ground was wet that day. If the pickup turned around on the narrow access road, then it would leave tire tracks in the grass.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100582364.html
Hopefully, the perp(s) made enough mistakes to give LE some clues.
@Rose
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The sting began last June, when the ATF opened Squid’s Smoke Shop at 1510 N.E. 172nd Ave. Oregon business records show the shop was registered four months earlier by someone using an address that comes back to a FedEx business in Vancouver.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/03/fake_smoke_shop_in_ne_portland.html
The owner of this is either off the grid, or using a fictitious name. The registration predates the AFT sting. The registration was establish Feb.’10 with no recorded changes in ownership.
I found it interesting that Blink has eluded to RS having some Vancouver ties, truck registration, etc.
http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_inq.show_detl?p_be_rsn=1436624&p_srce=BR_INQ&p_print=FALSE
T. Ruth says:
March 3, 2011 at 9:49 pm
@T Ruth: There was similar discussion about the dog early on. It was discussed in the last half of this article:
http://www.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/web/news/sevendays/25824055-35/police-search-durham-area-miranda.csp
lyla says:
March 3, 2011 at 8:00 pm
“So. now LE might have the closest thing to a POI (DAD) who is rumored to be possibly dead (drowned while escaping) and/or out of the country? If so, methinks LE needs waaay much more than a break in this case. All I can say (while slapping my head) is OYE VAY!!”
Yeah, Lyla. Exactly. I noted when LE first put a bulletin out on DAD they specified a reward for his capture only if captured ALIVE, which suggested to me that LE is desperate to speak with him. :/
Am I being incredibly dim about the FBI link on the MSCO page?
This http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_by_the_fbi is the ‘Be part of the solution’ page and the thumbnails are to different lists the FBI has, Most Wanted, Kidnapped, Missing, and DAD’s pic is the link for ‘crime alerts’. All the photos are ‘featured cases’ but surely that’s because he is the latest most-wanted cop shooter, not a clue to being connected to Kyron?
I had to take a few days off. The first time since June 4.
CD and George,
You both stated my own opinions so perfectly. Keep in mind that this is also a very public case. Imagine those that are not as public. Meaning: Do you think that they would be anything less than they are right now in relation to other damaging respects that power and authority can have? I cringe. They are on good behavior right now. The world is watching And I doubt MCSO and MCDA stand alone in this state. They just happen to currently be under the microscope.
What also angers me is what was stated in the pres release quite some time ago — in that MCSO is closer to solving this case than people realize. Really? What happened? THAT alone deserves an update.
MOO and have a great weekend, all.
cd says:
March 3, 2011 at 3:19 pm
49.GeorgiaDad says:
March 2, 2011 at 11:53 am
i am wondering if it isnt the duty of le by now to give more information in this case, in order to bring down some of the inflamed passions of people. like, “th is a defacto suspect, or we really have no evidence that she is, or we are looking for an accomplice”, or whatever. this blink site is the only place i have ever heard that le knows that kyron didnt leave with th from the school. i think even if that information was released by le, that people would stop and think before pre judging this case and condemning th with words, and possibly violence. i really think le has the power to difuse the mob mentality i have seen online and that it is their responsibility to do so. even if they think she is responsible and are hoping she confesses somehow, to use the townspeople or rumor mills to put pressure on her is something other countries do. in america we have law enforcement so that people arent tried by groups of random people that have no evidence to even know if they are right or not. thanks for letting me voice my opinion.
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IMO I can’t believe how a manipulative the MCSO and DA’s office has been on this case.I think their use of a grieving parent to inflame public opinion of their( non-poi non-suspect) is shameful. It has made me reassess my opinion of law enforcement in Multnomah county. if they have half of the evidence they allude to, then why don’t they just let on to the public what they know instead of having the parents of the victim give press releases with partial comments about what LE knows. Even if they do eventually charge TH in this case I will still think their media manipulation method of solving crimes stinks.
Neighbor, The visual I am getting is that DS GK truck could get around the Horman truck if need be, as the Horman truck was not blocking the access road. I also am under the impression that DS GK parked the PPD truck in the parking lot, so although he claims to have been in the area mowing the sport field, he may not have seen the Horman truck, or he would have only seen the tailgate from his vantage point. He would have returned on the riding mower to the PPD truck and trailer, probably using a different route than the access road. Is this accurate?
43.Neighbor says:
March 3, 2011 at 8:54 am
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There was a white truck on the access road, but it was parked diagonal. The rear was partly on the access road and the nose pointing fairly steep down to Skyline blvd. Hope this clears things up instead of adding to the confusion. Time was about 8.31. As I recall (after many months) the GK had many spots blocked on the main parking.
enumrose…
I went to the MCSO website you provided and didn’t find the fbi link to DAD there. Can you provide a snip or quote or location of this info?
It may be there or may be removed but of the six fbi references I found, none addressed DAD.
Thanks in advance!
Neighbor,
Thanks for letting us know about the truck parked on the access road–with its nose pointing to Skyline Blvd.
It seems that would be a maneuver by a landscaper who was trying to unload his trailor or tractor. Even if was someone who backed into that access road for a quick escape, wouldn’t they park more or less in straight line and not at a diagonal, slightly off road?
Neighbor, can you please let me know if I’m understanding your
information correctly? tia
@T Ruth
I thought I heard they tried the dog with out
Results
I find this whole thing about DAD just depressing
He must have seen something or what ever
Now he is gone
P.S. Neighbor: Were there only 54 cars at the school?
If so, it would appear that Skyline Elementary has an above average number of families who carpool.
Lea said:
“I cannot imagine anyone would use a truck parked on the access road in a kidnapping unless s/he had access to the ball field and could turn his/her vehicle around. Otherwise, the kidnapper would be forced to drive in reverse in order to exit the access road, while transporting a child who does not belong in that vehicle. Someone is going to notice a truck driving down the road in reverse, even if they do not notice the child or the driver.”
Neighbor says: March 3, 2011 at 8:54 am
“There was a white truck on the access road, but it was parked diagonal. The rear was partly on the access road and the nose pointing fairly steep down to Skyline blvd. Hope this clears things up instead of adding to the confusion. Time was about 8.31. As I recall (after many months) the GK had many spots blocked on the main parking.”
That’s very interesting. So, given that information, what do you make of the following:
1. “Dave Stensen told KATU that he was not actually at the school the morning Kyron went missing, however, he had to drive his truck up the gravel road to mow the soccer field.”
http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/kyron-horman-update-school-groundskeeper-says-he-never-saw-white-truck-video
2. “He [Portland Parks & Recreation turf specialist Dave Stensen] had to use the gravel access road to get to the soccer field….” (quoting article, not a direct quote)?
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100663409.html
Note: article omits “he was not actually at the school the morning Kyron went missing….” from previous KATU article. Is there some reason a Portland Parks employee could not be inside the school?
3. On August 12, 2010, Mr. Stensen told a KATU reporter that he did not see the Hormans’ truck on June 4, 2010, on the access road nor in the south parking lot location for which investigators were seeking witnesses. However, the next day (August 13, 2010), Mr. Stensen told law enforcement that he was on the access road prior to 8:15 am and after 8:45 am, but not during the half-hour time frame of 8:15 am to 8:45 am and therefore “could have missed seeing the Horman truck” (quoting article not Mr. Stensen)?
http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/kyron-horman-update-school-groundskeeper-says-he-never-saw-white-truck-video
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100582364.html
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100663409.html
Neighbor: Am I correct that you are saying that Dave Stensen parked out front because he needed the key to the chained-off soccer field, and as a result, Mr. Stensen would have seen the white truck backed onto the access road?
4. “[Mr.] Stensen’s own truck, with a trailer on the back, would have been parked in the area investigators are asking about, at least briefly, as he came and went that morning.”
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100582364.html
Why would Mr. Stensen have parked on the access road, or is that where he would have loaded and unloaded the lawn mowing equipment from the trailer behind the truck?
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/?action=view¤t=GroundskeeperT2fromKlaasend.jpg&sort=ascending
5. Did Mr. Stensen unload and load the mowing equipment from the parking lot prior to — and after — mowing the soccer field on June 4, 2010?
6. Neighbor: Was the white truck on the access road the truck owned by the Horman family? If this was the Horman’s truck, do you think it was involved in removing Kyron from the school?
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Neighbor says:
@Lea good catch about the camera. I will take a closeup look when I am around.
The owners of Brooks Historic Church had to make some changes to the property while seeking refinancing of their loan. Not sure if this may have affected the security camera on the steeple that is visible on Google street view prior to June 4, 2010.
http://brookshillupdate.blogspot.com/
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Malty says: March 3, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Malty:
I don’t know when the Fred Meyers photos were taken.
I also do not have any additional information about the court dockets. If you live near the Multnomah County Courthouse, you should be able to view the public portions of the court files at the clerk’s office.
21.lyla says:
March 3, 2011 at 8:00 pm
@enumclawrose says:
March 3, 2011 at 6:27 pm
So. now LE might have the closest thing to a POI (DAD) who is rumored to be possibly dead (drowned while escaping) and/or out of the country? If so, methinks LE needs waaay much more than a break in this case. All I can say (while slapping my head) is OYE VAY!!
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Consider this; DAD is one of the top ten FBI fugitives, and not much reporting is going on about him other than the night he shot the cop, and the subsequent search. Not much back story, no life history. Seperate him from Kyron’s case where gag orders on the press are accepted due to the complex investigation, and it makes me wonder why two BIG HUGE stories in Oregon are being squelched. (Unless they are the same story.)
I find it odd that we know so much about TH. We know about her adoption, parents, high school, marriages, education, antcedotes from roommates, spouses, vanity plates, gym memberships and she is not a named POI.
DAD is a fugitive, possibly dead and we know next to nothing. Seems the Oregon press can’t do an indepth report on a federal fugitive. WHY? Seriously, isn’t this considered big news? Are all the reporters busy writing books because the articles on DAD are pretty scarce. His story would make for sensational paper selling reporting. Where are all the reporters?
Oy Vey.
28.evie says:
March 3, 2011 at 11:32 pm
Am I being incredibly dim about the FBI link on the MSCO page?
This http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_by_the_fbi is the ‘Be part of the solution’ page and the thumbnails are to different lists the FBI has, Most Wanted, Kidnapped, Missing, and DAD’s pic is the link for ‘crime alerts’. All the photos are ‘featured cases’ but surely that’s because he is the latest most-wanted cop shooter, not a clue to being connected to Kyron?
I had to take a few days off. The first time since June 4.
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Evie, I don’t think you are being dim. I don’t think we can read a connection between DAD and Kyron simply by the position of news releases on this page.
@Blink
This case is solvable and is nearly there. Prosecuting though, that one is questionable. They need sweet Ky’s body to make it stick. My LE source is credible and they know “most” of what happened that day.
@everyone
So the fact that a most wanted poster is on the MCSO site means DAD is linked to Kyron’s case. Wow, seriously folks? I can’t believe how fast some of you spin things. And now, a rumor that he is dead means Kyron’s case will never be solved. I’m shaking my head! DAD has absolutely nothing to do with this case people.
@neighbor
Kaine’s truck pointed towards Skyline is very important and I hope that wasn’t a mistake to post it.
@Lea
54 cars is not that unusual for a school that size.
Nora, I have also developed significant contacts in this case, I would disagree with you in what I keep hearing as “they are almost there”, which I have been hearing almost weekly for several months. That would seem to be confirmed by MCSO themselves with the last update and the addition of 6 BAU agents.
Unless I missed it, Neighbor did not state it was Kaine’s truck parked in that manner.
As a disclaimer, I have no idea who Nora is or whether or not she has a credible LE source.
She may, but as you all know I do not let claims like that that are un-vetted stand as “fact”.
B
36.nora says:
March 4, 2011 at 9:02 am
I’m shaking my head! DAD has absolutely nothing to do with this case people.
Unless I missed it earlier in the thread – Blink do you agree DAD is not involved in Kyron’s case?
@Lea
I guess if the Hormans were going to court
Anytime soon we would hear from the news
The parking lot was a surprise to me because
I had thought it was full of cars like the one here
is but this one is a park and ride
In the one here I suppose some one could
Do something and no one would notice
But with so few cars you would think a early
shopper would have noticed any activity
going on
Just another puzzle
Thanks for responding
I look forward to your posts
very interesting …
“Undercover federal agents bought 77 firearms out of a storefront sting in Southeast Portland during their eight-month investigation.”
wonder where DAD got the stash of weaponry left in his SUV?
enumclawrose says:
March 3, 2011 at 11:16 pm
@Rose
snip>
The sting began last June, when the ATF opened Squid’s Smoke Shop at 1510 N.E. 172nd Ave. Oregon business records show the shop was registered four months earlier by someone using an address that comes back to a FedEx business in Vancouver.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/03/fake_smoke_shop_in_ne_portland.html
The owner of this is either off the grid, or using a fictitious name. The registration predates the AFT sting. The registration was establish Feb.’10 with no recorded changes in ownership.
I found it interesting that Blink has eluded to RS having some Vancouver ties, truck registration, etc.
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Blink also eluded to “someone” being under investigation before June 4th.
Nora, I have also developed significant contacts in this case, I would disagree with you in what I keep hearing as “they are almost there”, which I have been hearing almost weekly for several months. That would seem to be confirmed by MCSO themselves with the last update and the addition of 6 BAU agents.
Unless I missed it, Neighbor did not state it was Kaine’s truck parked in that manner.
As a disclaimer, I have no idea who Nora is or whether or not she has a credible LE source.
She may, but as you all know I do not let claims like that that are un-vetted stand as “fact”.
B
My source is very high up and the information and what I have been told numerous times is they are sure they have the right person and know what happened (or close) but cannot solidly prove it. A body would help their case tremendously. There are enough questions that a high powered attorney (cough) could poke holes in a case with so much circumstancial evidence. It’s very frustrating to those close to the case.
I understand, but this has to be viewed as your opinion, and the fact that your committed to say that LE thinks there is only one person involved tells me that your information is incomplete.
Respectfully submitted, that is just not accurrate.
B
P.S. I didn’t say they were “almost there”. They have evidence but not solid enough in the DA’s eyes.
I’m bringing forward a couple of comments that Blink made back in September 2010 concerning the white truck(s) and parking situation at Skyline that day.
These comments are all from Blinks piece titled:
“Kyron Horman Missing: Case Review And Birthday Wishes To The Frog Prince”
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On September 19, 2010 at 11:19 am – Blink replied:
Two nearly identical white trucks-
One parked in the rear, and Terri parked on the shoulder.
B
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On September 19, 2010 at 12:52 am – Blink replied …
“There is evidence of Kyron’s suspected departure from the school, it just has not been shared publicly.
Pay specific attention to Capt Gates from the Aug 12 press conf-
B”
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On September 19, 2010
cd says:
September 20, 2010 at 1:04 am
“Pay specific attention to Capt Gates from the Aug 12 press conf-
B”
(cd wrote)
I listened to this press conference again and it sounds like LE is pretty sure Kyron was taken out of the school by way of the door leading to the access road and the soccer field. It sounded like they knew what door he left the school by, but they want to know how or who took him away from the school.
Two nearly identical white trucks-
“One parked in the rear, and Terri parked on the shoulder.
B”
(cd then asked:)
would the truck in the rear be near the above mentioned door?
(Blink reply)
I personally do not think that is the door Kyron exited from.
B
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(my current reply)
I’m gonna spend some time this weekend going back again thru that entire piece from Blink (“Kyron Horman Missing: Case Review And Birthday Wishes To The Frog Prince”), also carefully re-watching Capt Gates remarks from the August 12th press conf as B suggests, and also re-reading the #2946 comments from the brilliant commentators here at BOC.
Lots of great comments and questions, and Blink replied to many queries from us in this one.
I think I need my brain needs a refresher from that September timeframe.
Any school neighbors who volunteer information known in the local school community, without detail, shouldn’t be pressed for more, IMO, but also shouldn’t be worried about share local community-known information. this is moderated in the best interests of all, so there’s a backstop.
Neighbor said front end was pointed to Skyline Blvd, not school. This becomes more clear toimagine if looking at pic 4 on the truck “flier.”. You see the slope down to the Blvd–and the soccer field. I could imagine GK’s truck at that angle for unloading.
My memory is while many spaces were blocked for Stenson, part of SF parkers’ irritation was he didnt park his teuck or trailer there, tho I thot he stopped off for gate key. All of this is my reading memory only. If you
Nora:
“…My source is very high up and the information and what I have been told numerous times is they are sure they have the right person and know what happened (or close) but cannot solidly prove it. A body would help their case tremendously…”
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I think that makes a lot of sense, Nora, because if LE can show the location of the cell phone pings very close to the location of the body (so hard to think or say this), then, the other circumstantial evidence becomes so much more significant. Because with only circumstantial evidence, a jury has to make a big leap, and without the body, the leap to murder is a very big one that the DA is probably not willing to risk. Not to say it couldn’t be done, but I think it makes the case much harder to prosecute.
Neighbor …
Thank you for all your participation here at BOC.
VERY much appreciated !!
I definitely remember reading that DS and his truck had taken up more than a few parking places in the regular school parking lot on the morning of the science fair. (with his truck and equipment and possible orange cones around his truck?)
I read this observation both here at BOC and also at other sites.
I remember it was pointed out that by DS parking in the school parking lot, he had blocked off more than a few spaces available spaces in the small lot … which would leave fewer parking places for parents/others to park during the Science Fair.
I wonder if he left his truck parked in the lot the entire time he was at the school on 6/4 ?
Or, did he park there for a brief time to go into the office/get keys or whatever – and then possibly moved his truck to the access road while he actually tended to the soccer field?
@45. Nora. “they have evidence but not enough in the DA’s eyes” supports my inference about internal dissension that most likely led to DY’s recent PR foray out of her frustration. If not enough in the DA’s eyes, it sure won’t be in a jury’s. Like “True”, I wish MCSO would deal with their loose lips.
If it were adequate for a jury, as in, the one convened to hear this case and suspended 3x, there would be indictments.
B