Holly Bobo Missing And Endangered: Are Suspects Naming Themselves- Odd Dodd?
Darden, TN–
On the eve of the 4 week anniversary of missing Darden, TN nursing student, Holly Bobo, new investigative details are being learned about the case. Two unofficial persons of interest have taken their case “public” in a way.
While blinkoncrime.com was aware of this information, a decision was made to withhold it in the interests of the cases “active” status previously.
That was, until today, when one of the known person’s of interests in Holly’s disappearance, outed
Jonathan Dodd, son of Bradley Grafton Dodd, and Dena Logan Dodd, chose the Parsons topix forum to “defend” himself against what he termed “death threats”.
Blink, Editor In Chief of www.blinkoncrime.com, was able to confirm the poster on the topix forum was indeed, Jon Dodd.
Speaking exclusively to www.blinkoncrime on the condition of anonymity, an extended family member of the Dodd family, sheds more light on Master Dodd’s claims.
“.. Yes, that is definitely him. I have no idea how he can say he does not know the Bobo family, he went to Scotts Hill with Holly for a short time. Karen Bobo, Holly’s Mom, worked for Grafton Dodd, his grandfather, when he was the principle of the Parson’s junior High when it was still there, Brad and Grafton are on the school board, there is no way that is true what is said.
When he is saying something was stolen from the property, he is talking about the ATV you wrote about before, when I saw that, I knew you were aware of him. Sandy called the sheriffs department before she knew that Holly was missing to report that their ATV was stolen. Sandy is also the cheer leading coach at Riverside High, since forever, and she got into some minor trouble a few years back because she got caught rigging the tryouts. Nothing major, but everyone knew about it. Dena, his Mom, was a teacher at Riverside shortly after he got transferred, which is weird again.
Everyone in this family has been covering for Jon since he was a kid. I could not believe when he stabbed Brad with a scissors when he was about 8 1/2, there was a big cover up. Last year Dena moved to Gwinnett County because the grands let him get away with anything. He has a baby with Shelby Sellers and nobody really even knew about that until after.
Jon went to the great-grandparents for a while in Arab, Ala in 2006 after the girl was killed in the car accident that got his ass beat up when he said she deserved it, and again, nobody said a word. Brad and Dena started up that Boy Scouts thing for him and (redacted by blink).
What is he talking about? What does donate DNA mean? O that is totally him, I can tell by the “I get paid to hunt” or whatever. Speaking of hunting, the abandoned cabin that volunteers found, when Grafton was told, was when he refused permission for any other searches and they got a warrant. Grafton and Sandy were seen removing a mattress from that part of the property, the one they found in the place where the outhouses were used recently. (redacted) saw him in WalMart, he looked at her and said he did not do it, I swear. Really scary.
He (Jon) did not donate DNA, it was taken from him in the parking lot of Tuckers Diner, he did not have a choice. The LE came there and showed some papers. Grafton’s was taken too, but I don’t know were, I heard it was at the area of the Pugh property, by that Shayne Austin’s parents house.
Another doozie…”
The X Factor
A former boyfriend of Holly Bobo’s, Blake Barnett, is also doing nothing to avoid being scrutinized. It is clear from his facebook postings that he is aware of his “celebrity”, and that folks following this case, are reading.
While it does not make him a bad guy, we have confirmed that he has had a background of alleged violence, in a former relationship with Holly Bobo.
He was the first name utttered by Holly Bobo’s parents, Dana and Karen, when they learned of her abduction.
That said, there is no known evidence linking Mr. Barnett to Holly’s disappearance.
Barnett is no stranger to violence, unfortunately, Blake, his brother and sister lost their parents Timothy and Janice in a brutal murder in 1993.
John Robinson, with actus reus assistance from his wife Kimberly, murdered both of the Barnett’s because they were after him for bounced checks.
Amelia, Blake’s little sister, was left in her crib for 48 hours before police found her while looking for the Barnett’s. She survived.
There have been no official suspects or persons of interest named in the disappearance of Holly Bobo in 4 weeks.
There has not been a LE update to her case since May 2.
The search effort for Holly Bobo continues.
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What I find interesting is the information about DNA from JD and GD both. Wonder if there’s some other unsolved murders they are lookin’ at as well? Would explain Blink’s (and we don’t say Blank in the South) mentor comment.
Wasn’t the “Bradley” posting on topix last night struggling with grammar and spelling, like the “jonDodd” poster? He studied up on his English it seems, because now when he is posting over here at BOC his grammar and spelling have really improved!!
Just saying… Amazing?
@Candy, generally speaking, a person diagnosed with schizophrenia, may very well be able to carry out an organized crime.
A murder mentor? Seriously? Sick!
I struggled with the wording if you know what I mean.
B
@Cat- I am definitely picking up what your putting down. That said, I am not sure hypothetically that I buy there is only one suspect, as I agree there is a conflict in profile. Almost like a mentor, if you will.
B
Now, THAT is hilarious! Really? Now, you’re a criminal profiler, AND you think that JD has a sinister, mentor type accomplice that has mentored him into the person you are painting him to be with your whispered and not so subtle innuendos? – For your sake, I sure hope this “pay per click” blog site that you like to pass off as “news” is doing well for you, you might need it when a process server hands you notice that you’re being sued for slander.
You’re all about Holly, right? Then, how about you focus on finding her, instead of spending 18 hrs a day cruising FB, Myspace, WS, InSessions, and your own sister site SM, for something that you can copy and paste as “News, according to YOUR sources”.
You just got paid for my “last click”. You’re welcome.
First of all “O Oracle” of Jackson, your kidding me if you’re that dense that you think people do not realize when someone who has never followed any of my work, flies their broom here, blasting me, that this is about YOU.
Secondly, I have never made an accusation of any kind, in fact, I have openly stated the opposite.
If you feel you want to interpret the first ammendment from your own little slice o’ bitter, good luck with that.
Lastly, asshat- Slander is the “false spoken word or statement”, I think you mean libel , and again it must be false, malicious and defamatory. Considering Mr. Dodd made the statements he did on his own, if he wants to file frivolous lawsuits in bad faith, I would be more than happy to take his cash. Ya know, in case this “pay by click” ( I do not even know what your talking about and clearly neither do you) does not work out. Yowza. Do you know what a sun salutation is?
Go do some.
Peace to you.
B
Why Holly? I am struggling with that.
I believe we all are.
B
Blink – While I greatly respect your opinion, I question the assumption that the person who took Holly has a history of killing animals. It is my understanding that this is a trait more common amongst serial killers. Am I wrong or are you implying that the person responsible may be more than an obsessed person who snapped (or similar scenario)?
Thanks, as always, for your insight and knowledge.
It is not an assumption, it is my opinion, and it can be a symptom of many different things, not just serial killers.
Respectfully, the ole bed wetting, animal cruelty and fire starting as the foundation for just serial killers is somewhat archaic.
I cannot say above what I already have as this cases, as to what motive to consider, we really do not know.
B
Blink,
I have been readin all forums since all of this broke on day 1 and I must say that yours has been spot on….I for one am right there with you on your way of thinking. I was in the parsons forum when all of this took place between you and Dodd and he is a real piece of work…He wants to dumb himself down and make people think he is stupid and ignorant so when something like this happens people say” oh he is not smart enough for that”. That is his whole plan to sit and wait and act stupid until an opprtunity comes and he can slither like the snake he is and take his prey. This guy is a sociopath that needs to be locked up. He has planned and schemed and I do believe has had help and has done this before. I think he is bascially in “training” if you will, and is out to make his mentor proud and himself also. This gut needs to be locked up and the girl he is with needs to get the hell out, before she is next…..
I articulated that poorly, your right, but understand, there are liability issues and this is an open case. I am way limited.
I would actually use your own example to prove my point, respectfully, those “factors” as a precursor, and it still took how many years to catch him? Moreover, he was caught because of his own need to taunt, or he may never have been.
I was just trying to say, hypothetically, and not tied to any particular suspect, that pigeon holing animal cruelty is not a good idea.
Did that come out right this time?
B
Good job with the trolls Blink.It is amazing to me how the family comes on here and tries to defend their own.When in reality the FBI,TBI, and LE have the evidence in hand and probably waiting for the right time to make their arrests.After following lots of cases they always have something the public is not aware of in their back pocket.I do think their main focus is finding Holly.I also believe the ATV is a key piece of evidence and a very sore subject for some.Facebook pics may be changing,but that doesn’t change what has occurred.What is the worst part to me with the obscure postings,they didn’t even mention Holly.I hope she is found or nothing along those lines.That speaks volumes to me.More than that, they need to know there is a higher power that will lead the way to Holly’s return.
Thank you again Blink for all you do for victims of crime.
Jackie Bauer says:
May 12, 2011 at 1:05 pm
Mentor being someone who’s bailed out this person before (more than once probably). Just a thought
I’m prolly gonna regret this, but I’m from a small town in Kentucky…
“Do you know what a sun salutation is? Go do some.”
I have no clue, somebody help a hillbilly out please.
LOL, that was NOT to you cbickel.
It is a yoga pose- you are priceless and I love hillbillies
B
“that pigeon holing animal cruelty is not a good idea.
Did that come out right this time?
B”
I hope that *when* this suspect is apprehended and prosecuted and found guilty and put away for life (at a bare minimum), that he is “pigeon holed” again and again for what he did to torture animals and what he did to Holly.
I apologize in advance for any insult to pigeons in this comment.
Holy Cr*p I just realized I probably owe thousands of $$s to Blink. I guess I did not read the fine print that this was a “pay as you click” site. Blink you should have warned us.
LOL
Ode
Hey- I never thought of that! Yeah, buck up, lol.
B
Here is something I do not think has been mentioned. As a nurse in training, what did Holly’s studies or clinicals involve. There is book work and actual medical settings (clinicals) as part of nursing training. Motive could have been drugs. Wanting Holly to steal prescription drugs. Maybe she refused to comply.
People who do drugs and can’t get their fix can get desperate. Surely this angle is being looked at by LE.
I am not saying Holly did drugs, I am saying people tend to think nurses and/or a nurse in training may have access to drugs.
I would like to say to certain posters.This is the House of Blink and
have some respect when you walk through her door.If you had been reading on here for any length of time,you would know she is not on here to make money period.Yes some people do this out of the kindness of their heart.What you may not know since you just google is that Blink has been on locations of crime scenes as a professional and knows many in this field.She also has many friends in LE who read on her blog.Sources? She is not going to discuss that here and for good reason.I say if you really want to know just look at the nice index to the left of your screen and start reading.I would also like to add if you don’t know what you are talking about it is sometimes best to keep the pie hole shut.DNA my friend speaks for itself
Sigh….I love you Blink and your honesty…. I am always amazed at your composure and use of “respectfully”… I know coming here and reading here that it is a given that there will be a lot of different opinions…why is it that readers or commentors from other sites cannot “respectfully” respect that and not take every key stroke you pluck as fact?
Keep doing what you do ladybug!
cadillac says:
May 12, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Why Holly? I am struggling with that.
I keep asking myself the same thing. My roommate, who doesn’t necessarily agree with me on this case is college age (mabe has a better understanding of that age group than I do)and offered a few possible motives.
1. JD had a beef with DS because maybe he dated JD’s gf at one time (this could also be CB). Either way, he is VERY defensive of his gf and it may link to her. OR
2. Holly accidentally caught JD in the process of stealing from the Bobo home and in a panic he did something.
I’m not really saying I agree with either of these scenarios, but just putting them out there as possible motives.
I think I know the general answer to this, but how long can DNA be recovered from “the field’” for lack of a better word(s)?
It depends.
B
Oh the roots of JD run deep,”DNA”.It may just be a long string of them
to Kal..
Regarding the scenario of the perp going after Holly to use as an avenue to obtain “drugs” as she was a nursing student…
Based on the facts we have, it seems to me that this abduction was very intentional and planned. I don’t get the feeling the POIs/PERPs/SUSPECTs did what he/they did out of unexpected anger that Holly was not complying with the plan in some way. In my opinion only, I get the feeling everything went according to plan, minus Clint Bobo being at home to wittness it. And even this little hiccup would not have been known until AFTER the fact…until after the crime had been committed and he/they headed home to “wash up.”
As a side note, in highschool, my friend and I put anonymous love notes on cars of several of our friends, requesting that each of them show up to a certain park on a certain day at a certain time, to discover the person behind this mystery love letter. We then, showed up to that same park, on the same day and the same time and acted like we ourselves received a letter. This was the only way to see everyone’s reaction – the joy of it all. All that to say, though our situation was very light-hearted and funny (believe me, they got us back:), showing up as a concerned victim/friend, in order to lead them away from figuring out who actually did it, was not rocket science.
Follow up, and you may choose not to post, but do you think it was physical or circumstantial evidence that led to the collecting of DNA?
Kal,
Only the first part my previous message was in regards to what you were saying…the part about the “joke” we played – that was just a general statement to everyone….working along the lines of the perp may not be smart enough to plan such a thing.” Just wanted to clarify in case you thought my “rocket science” comment was in some way pointing at your ability to comprehend. Not my intent at all if that is how it came across:)
I know I can not say someone did something for a fact, but if I wasn’t 100 percent suspicious, I sure as heck am NOW! The things being posted on topix today about him are just mind blowing. Someone is sure laying out an awful lot of details about him.
Cnog: “Based on the facts we have” ..
What are “the facts” you are talking about. I have been following this case daily. Many facts are missing. There are facts that remain unpublished, specifically a timeline. All of our why/who/where questions means we do not have facts therefore the questions and coming to BOC for possible answers.
This young girl’s life was just beginning – choosing a career path, in a seemingly happy relationship –
why Holly, on that day, and that time … I have only seen speculation, not facts.
Yes, I read that last part of your post and was trying to figure out why you stated that, still not sure why that was necessary. Thanks for the clarification.
Some ideas/theories for why Holly was abducted:
1 The perp was obsessed with her-had been watching her outside of her home/school/work for days/weeks/months, and this was the day he HAD to have her. Possibly been in the planning stages for awhile.
2 Holly witnessed this person trying to steal from her home, that very day, and the person snapped and took her off into the woods-at first attempting to convince her not to tell on him-but finally hurting her to make her listen, and it went too far.
3 The perp had secretly been in love with Holly for years, but something happened recently (heard that she might marry soon?) and decided this was “the time” to take her as his own.
4 There was a drug/gambling issue with the perp and Holly found out it also included someone close to her-so when the perp found out that Holly knew, he took steps to get her to not tell on them, and those steps ended up going bad.
5 The fact that Holly was there and alone on the day this guy snapped was why he took her. He may have been planning a payback for a perceived hurt/job loss/rumor/feud/whatever, and this turned out to be the day he decided to follow through.
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That’s all I got for now-just some ideas to toss around and think about.
Blink:
Has there ever been another case you wrote about in which a person openly posted on your site in order to try and defend himself like Mr. Dodd?
Yes, many. I just do not necessarily acknowledge that I know who they are, or share it for one reason or another, typically if it is an active case, etc.
It would fall under case sensitive my friend, so I would not be able to comment on it at all.
B
Understood! Appreciate the response…gosh I hope this is solved soon! My theory, which most likely is far fetched might help explain some of the inconsistent answers about why Clint did or didn’t do this…etc. Again, just trying to put it all together like everyone else. Keep up the good work.
Blink, Have all the lakes been dragged (term may be wrong) in the area? I am unclear on that.
No. And just fyi, they will run aerials or drones first, and then side scan any anomalies before they send in a dive team.
Rarely is any body of water “dragged” anymore. I know you were unsure of the term, and I am not teasing you, I thought it a good oppty to educate others that may not know that as well.
‘Tis a learning blog.
B
Kal,
I agree – there are still some major missing pieces that WE do not know about. When I say facts, I think there are quite a few facts, but they may not be “big” facts such as the motive, the who, etc. I am basing my opinion on the facts we have, and on the tidbits that Blink leaves for us. The facts I know of are nothing new to the case, and it would be redundant to list all of them here. In an earlier post, Blink said “yes” to
1.) Are they pretty sure they know who the POI(s) is? (paraphrasing)
2.) will it shock the community?
This leads me to believe LE knows more facts than they are making public.
I already stated why I posted the example of the joke my friend and I played but I’ll expound – JD claims he could not possibly be involved as he was part of the search and rescue. That is just not a good argument in my mind because it could be that “being involved” is the very reason he was part of the search and rescue. Someone as sadistic as the person who did this, probably finds satisfaction in not only the crime itself, but also the aftermath.
Thanks for the interesting answer regarding people using your site to try and defend themselves. And as for my earlier post:
“If the person posting on Topix is really who he claims to be, then he is either 1) telling the truth (and was not involved in Holly’s disappearance), or 2) diabolical in his ability to lie.”
There is a third alternative: He is just too arrogant to realize how foolish his postings are regardless to whether he is involved in Holly’s disappearance or not!
Blink,
“they will run aerials or drones first, and then side scan any anomalies before they send in a dive team.”
Yes, I do remember you posting that recently.
Can you give your opinion on why this hasn’t this been done?
Thanks, I appreciate the education.
Cnog,
I do agree with with your last assessment – “that “being involved” is the very reason he was part of the search and rescue. Someone as sadistic as the person who did this, probably finds satisfaction in not only the crime itself, but also the aftermath.”
How would JD’s involvement (if he is involved) be a shock to the community? He clearly has issues so how would this be shocking? I don’t see that. OR
is the shocking part what happened, not who did it, but what specifically the person/s did? Unclear on that.
I have read all the posts.
Kal- I believe it has been done to a degree. I can’t be more specific, but to my knowledge, I am comfortable as to how the LE- based SAR efforts early on were conducted. I know it seems odd to say that given the fact that Holly has not been found, but honestly, this terrain is something else.
She is not going to be easy to find, but she absolutely will be.
B
As to the issue of what was found.
B
Col. Russell Williams – serial killer in Canada. I believe the first sentence he uttered when beginning his confession to rape, murder and other completely stomach turning acts, was something along the lines of not wanting his wife to suffer as a result of what he’d done. (yah okay buddy). Does this protectiveness fit into a sociopathic profile? I thought it odd.
I have read two different times on message boards about someone being bitten in relation to the Holly Bobo case. Do you think the posts are a clue by someone who has information but is afraid to come forward … look for the person with bite marks?
In all my reading there has not been any public information about bite marks, being bitten … puzzling.
Sorta interesting Dodd didn’t ask for you to take the pic HIM AAAND his GF down. Just her. He doesn’t demand or even request his photograph be removed as the innocent and unjustly targeted guy he claims to be? Wouldn’t he want the entire pic, article, whole thing taken down? Apparently not.
Kal,
I am with you on that one. It doesn’t seem like it would be such a shocker to find out JD was behind it. Yet maybe it would be to the community at large who don’t know him that well but may know the family? I don’t know. I guess it’s also possible that, there is more than one person involved and perhaps those people are the shocking ones? Not sure.
I do wonder though, what prompted the DNA testing for Grafton, his grandfather? ”
And, where did Sandy (Sandra) and Grafton take the mattress they were seen moving out of the cabin? Was it burned? Though this is gross, if the outhouses were used recently, can they take samples to determine who it belonged too?
I was over at Scared Monkeys and just read Cappucino’s comment–hope it’s okay to copy it here.
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Cappucino:
Its okay Star, no prob. The missing person organization I work with (Bring Them Home/PPP Recovery) was going to feature this case on our blog talk radio show last night with a family friend as a guest. We received word that this person was asked not to speak publicly at this time by the TBI for the protection of the family.
I cannot elaborate any further at this time.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9802.320
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I can’t quite understand this:
“this person was asked not to speak publicly at this time by the TBI for the protection of the family.”
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Why would interviewing a family friend be dangerous for Holly’s family?
I really do not understand that comment either, but it did not come from the “friend”, so it may be capp’s interpretation, I can’t say.
B
Blink if I may ask, Do you think there is more than one person that planned this and is involved in her kidnapping and all of this?
Have been reading over at Topix–sorry, it’s like driving past an accident and trying NOT to look.
So within the last hour it’s being discussed that potentially Holly bit the abductor and it was his blood at the Bobo home.
Now, I know that this may be far from what happened, but it does make a kind of sense, if it turns out true.
If Holly realized pretty quickly that this guy was dangerous, biting him would have been a normal instinct for a person in that situation. So if she did bite him, and hard enough to draw blood-he would be enraged. So roughly pulling her along into the woods would have been his reaction.
It would also explain why LE will not release the blood evidence results. I always believed that if the blood was Holly’s, LE would have probably confirmed that.
Is this a possibility?
willnunley Will Nunley
Even a month later, family members have declined to speak with me thus far. I continue confirm whatever I can. Hang in there. #hollybobo
5 hours ago
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Blink, what makes this case so ultra sensitive that the family is not allowed to talk or plead for their child-even including family and friends?
TBI has said it is for “their protection”–but from what?
Zeus- where have you read that the family is “not allowed” to speak including family and friends?
B
35.zeus says:
May 12, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Have been reading over at Topix–sorry, it’s like driving past an accident and trying NOT to look.
OMG!!! Thank you so much for that!!! When my husband asks me why I am reading that crap…I keep trying to figure out how to put it into words!!! I so have to use that because it is perfect.
GeorgiaDad mentioned (May 12 @ 8:52) that JD’s alibi was that he was staying with “a buddy from the rescue squad.” What is this “rescue squad”? Is it some sort of EMT thing? If its similar to an EMT thing, could this have been a possible point of overlap for JD and Holly– being involved in different facets of the same small-town medical/service community?
Becca says:
May 12, 2011 at 7:43 pm
Col. Russell Williams – serial killer in Canada. I believe the first sentence he uttered when beginning his confession to rape, murder and other completely stomach turning acts, was something along the lines of not wanting his wife to suffer as a result of what he’d done. (yah okay buddy). Does this protectiveness fit into a sociopathic profile? I thought it odd.
Yep, I recall that he said he wanted to “minimize the impact” as it related to her. Very freaky. He’s been killing people and acting out bizarre perversions, yet he wants to protect her. I agree, JDs behavior is strange too.
On another topic, it appears his gf is still in high school, yet they have a child. Wonder what the laws are in TN in regards to statutory rape? I guess it’s just a Google away.
i wonder if holly works with one of the people of interest was she going to work at 7 30 then to school. Another form said she had a test at 2 p m that day. If she worked with one of the people of interst that would explain how they new to show up at 7 30 far has the matress goes in the cabin its possible they camped there then went down to get her then tok her to a nearby house i have alway posted the perps stayed somewhere the night before togather thats how they would provide their albi’s. These people r hunters so walking in the woods is nothing in a area they know. These people can leave their trucks cars anywhere so someone purposly see s it]one perp already verified this by saying they stayed at a friends house. Neighbors saw his truck at 7-8 am motive can be just has simple has she spoke bad about his gf or kid if this person is bi polar it don’t take much to set them off. Furthermore i think holly is gone the people who did this probley r sick people. I really think they stashed her in their spetic tank or someone elses i hope not but the stats r going down to her being found alive
Just an observation, I noticed JD’s friends on FB seem to be declining. He is down to 46 friends I do hope this forum isn’t the cause. ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..Ok ..sorry for the sarcasm
another thing if this guy took photo’s of himself with his shirt off on facebook. There is only one reason he did that, the reason being to show he has no cuts or brusies on him but in reality they would be healed by now after five weeks just a thought
Blink, please carry on with your mission to bring home our missing and lost sons, daughters, mothers, fathers and loved ones. There is an epidemic raging as we carry on with our lives, just look at The Charley Project or NCMEC (or many other valuable websites) and you will see the faces of those who are not where they belong. I know you are one woman with a fantastic support network working to find a cure, but all of us need to do more, we need to teach our families about safety, about making decisions in life threatening situations, about ways to be a less appealing victim, and most importantly to trust our instincts. Read books, take self defense courses, have your home security updated, train for emergencies, and allow your children to be aware of the evil that looks for opportunities.
I have a young daughter, and I don’t mince words when it comes to personal safety, she gets the truth & guess what, it doesn’t scare her. There is NO shattering of dreams or security. My little girl believes in Santa, but knows there are bad people out there. She also knows what to do if faced with a threat. She’s developing the skills to make good judgments, properly access the internet, and what I’m most proud of, trusting herself.
My Jersey friend, you’ve embraced your purpose in life, don’t let anyone deter you from that mission. Carry on knowing you’ve made a difference in the lives of many, mine included. Holly will come home, Morgan’s killer will be found, Kyron will be returned, and Caylee will get justice (just to name a few). If something every happened to me, I’d want you in my corner.
Holly – wherever you are, know that you have the best of the best on your side, and Blink & her posse will not rest until you’re found. I know she can hear us.
TY
B
I also read about the possibility that Holly may have bitten her attacker..it was posted by an “alleged” local..but how would anyone,with the exception of the person that was bitten even know that fact?