The West Memphis Series Part II: Guilty By Plea And Have Been Set Free
Jonesboro, AR- In a shocking development, four days following the first installment of
Judge David N. Laser agreed to and imposed suspended sentences for time served to Echols, Miskelley and Baldwin; all were released and immediately declared their innocence during the ensuing press conference.
In Part I of our series, we touched briefly on the development of new evidence and possible murder weapon, the blue handled- mountain ice axe, which inexplicably was never presented at trial. It had been admitted into evidence after being retrieved from its owner, following it’s return by Jason Baldwin’s, younger brother Mathew.
Requests to confirm whether or not the ice axe was maintained in evidence at West Memphis Police Department were non-responsive at the time of this publication. Part II continues first with what the jury never heard. A podcast of my interview on the case following the release of the WM3 can be found here.
Premature Illumination
One of the larger points of contention in the murders was the lack of blood evidence at the scene. The lack of blood or blood spatter at the scene with such gruesome injuries spawned the defense theory the ditch was a dump site or secondary crime scene. This was largely due to the fact that the jury would never hear about the results of luminol tests; it was suppressed by motion of the defense In both trials.
Luminol enhanced chemiluminesence (LCL) technology in 1993 was geared toward examining items of evidence in a lab under black light for optimum photographic results, or its secondary application for use in an enclosed environment which can be manually darkened and a portable black light ( we now call this an alternative light source or ALS) brought to the scene.
LCL when sprayed onto a surface containing remnants of blood, or more specifically the iron in blood, will create a glowing reaction when iron, invisible to the naked eye, is present.
In 1993 under Arkansas law, Luminol testing was considered new, novel, and not accepted as scientific evidence.
While the methods for collection, testing and controls have advanced significantly since 1993 and LCL testing is widely used in criminal case work, analysis of the findings in the instant case flatly dispute the notion that there was no blood associated with the crime scene along the ditch bank of Robin Hood Hills.
Contrary to the misconception that there was no evidence of blood at the scene, the results of two consecutive days of luminol tests at the scene were enlightening.
As Kermit Channell and Donald Smith, from the Arkansas crime lab could not bring the “outside in” they were forced to set up shop in the woods along the banks of the ditch. Also present for testing both days were WMPD Detectives Mike Allen, Tony Anderson and Bryn Ridge.
Donald Smith’s report below in it’s entirety below, The other reports can be found here.
STATE CRIME LABORATORY
P.O. Box 5274
Number 3 Natural Resources Drive
Little Rock, Arkansas 72215
REPORT OF LABORATORY ANALYSIS
Investigating Officer / Agency / Address
Sgt. Mike Allen
West Memphis Police Department
100 Court Street
West Memphis, AR 72301
Laboratory Case Number: 93-05717
Date Received in Lab: 05/07/93
How Evidence Received: M E / Matthew Elliott
Agency Case Number:
Suspect (s):
Victim (s):
Steve Edward Branch
Date of Report; 06/10/93
FIELD INVESTIGATION. WEST MEMPHIS TRIPLE HOMICIDE. MAY 12 and
MAY 13. 1993 LUMINOL:
This analyst and Kermit Channell, Serologist responded to request to perform luminol on
a potential crime scene area on May 12, 1993. We left that afternoon, arriving in West
Memphis at approximately 6:30 P.M., proceeding to the Police Department.
Officers Tony Anderson, Brian Ridge, and Mike Allen accompanied Kermit and myself
to a swampy area in the northern edge of West Memphis where the victims were found.
A general survey of the area in the daylight hours was conducted. Approaching darkness
fresh solutions of luminol reagent were prepared. When the area became dark, using
flashlights for light support, the part returned to the area and proceeded to spray and
locate areas of luminol light emission activity, a presumptive test for the presence of
trace quantities of blood. The following observations were noted:
(1) At a trail along a stream bed an approximately 11 foot high bluff overlooking the
stream positive reactions were noted on either side of a tree with more reaction noted to
the right side of the tree, facing the stream bed.
(2) An Area with used plastic sheeting west of the trail and the bluff gave more positive
reactions were noted.
(3) At the west bank of the stream bed, to the right of some trees, an area gave positive
reaction. It was explained by the Police Department that this was where two of the
victims were placed when they were recovered from the stream bed.
(4) In the stream bed, below the described (at one time) water line, positive luminol tests
indicated where one of the victims was found in the water as related by the West
Memphis Police Department.
(5) On the east bank of the stream bed were a pile of sticks and a depression in the soil
where luminol tests showed a concentrated area of positive reaction.
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(6) North of this point luminol tests gave positive reaction to a large area of
concentration (described by West Memphis Police Department where the third victims
was placed upon recovery from the water).
(7) North of the point #6 near some tree roots, another large area of concentration of the
luminol reaction was noted.
(8) Trace amounts of positive luminol reaction was noted on the slope west of the area
where two of the victims were recovered and placed. (reference area #3). The areas north
and south of where the third victims had been placed (5) and (6) were unaccountable
known activity by the Memphis Police Department or rescue / recovery operations.
From these areas of noted luminol reactions for the presumptive presence of trace
amounts of blood the following opinion is rendered:
The traces of presumed blood detected along the trail (2), and at the bluff (1), and one the
slope (8) appear to be transfer of blood by the rescue and recovery teams.
Reaction in the areas where the recovered victims were placed is the apparent result of
trace blood transfer from the victims (3) and (6).
The area below the water level on the west side of the stream was accounted as where
trace amounts of the victimís blood diffused into the mud in the stream bed.
The areas (5) and (7) indicate activity prior to recovery of the victims and relate to
activity to the victims when perhaps they were being attacked.
It should be noted that the luminol testing was performed some days after the discovery
of the victims and at least one rainfall had occurred. There were no visible signs or
indication of blood at any of the locations that we investigated.
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Upon the group returning that night to the police headquarters Inspector Gitchell and his
staff were advised of our findings. It is our opinion the crime had taken place where the
bodies of the victims were recovered. Inspector Gitchell was further advised of the
inability to document the luminol reaction of the evening because of the light leaks from
stars and the back scattered light from West Memphis. To document the luminescence
Inspector Gitchell was advised that we would have to place tenting over the areas of
interest and to block out all stray light possible.
The luminescence requires near total darkness to document luminol reactions in the open
field.
It was decided that Kermit and I should stay over the next day perform the tests again
and photograph them.
The morning of May 13, Inspector Gitchell provided us with equipment, supplies and
manpower needed to document the areas of positive luminol reaction. A test with plastic
covering over the canvas was erected and photographs were taken of the positive areas
noted of the previous evening again with fresh luminol application.
Because of the limitations due to some light leakage, physical activity in the area
destroying some of the reaction, the weather conditions of some light rain the night
before and the originally low concentration levels in the areas on the bluff (area #1), along
the trail (area #2), where the victims were placed (area #3), and the area in the stream bed
where the body was recovered (area #4) and the area above the recovery area (area #8)
we were not able to document photography as we observed these areas the evening of
May 12.
The tented area over the areas where the victim’s body was placed (#6) and the
questioned area (#5), subdued the light to a degree that a less than perfect photograph
could be obtained. These photographs still documented the areas of interest, showing
luminol reaction in respective areas. These photographs were without the benefit of flash
painting application to reference the areas photographed. A still photo of the questioned
area from the original camera tripod location does reference the questioned area. The
photographs were processed revealing the luminol reaction at areas where the victim was
place (#6) and the questioned area (#5)
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The tent was moved and photographs were taken of the questioned area by the tree root (#7). Photographs of the areas (#4, #5 and #6) with surveyor flags mounted were taken to reference those areas tested and photographed. All photographs were left with Inspector Gitchell.
[signed] Donald E. Smith, Criminalist
Soil samples were submitted on May 14, 1993, but for unknown reasons not tested until 4 months later, and did not react to the luminol.
The result was considered inconclusive as it was not likely to detect blood from a four month old soil sample in the first place.
Although the luminol reaction results were not admissible in the trials, for analysis purposes, it tells an irrefutable story. The obvious counter-argument could only be that investigators were new to the technique, some of the initial testing was unable to be photographed, or to any conspiracies, that detectives simply made up results for some purpose.
However, as none of the investigators present had the autopsy results prior to the testing, and most certainly did not have Jessie Miskelley’s “account” to draw from, outside of the known injuries and other more circumstantial evidence in this case, these findings certainly further support there were multiple perpetrators in this crime- and that it all went down right there.
In 1998, Damien Echols filed a Rule 37 hearing for causes of incompetent counsel and due to his “actual innocence.” Jessie Miskelley lost his appeal to overturn his conviction also in 1998, but It was not until 2008 that Baldwin and Miskelley filed their Rule 37 petitions. For purposes of evaluation, I am including affidavits , exhibits and testimony excerpts from some of the expert witnesses at all three hearings and subsequent related appearance spanning from 1998- 2008.
Brent Turvey, of Knowledge Solutions, LLC trained under renowned blood spatter expert Dr. Henry Lee, did not consider any of the luminal reports when hired by Dan Stidham in 1998 for his expert opinion in his representation of Jessie Miskelley requesting a new trial. Turvey’s report found (here) was largely the impetus for future defense experts for all three defendants to “weigh in”.
While Turvey’s work was largely unsupported once his infamous “bitemark” was debunked and he bought into the “Baldwin knife” which has since been abandoned by all subsequent defense experts, as the first guy up at bat so to speak, his testimony demonstrated the burgeoning direction to the CSI Effect the West Memphis Three would take toward their ultimate freedom.
I explore Turvey’s initial observations taken directly from his report, in the beginning of each unique victim’s autopsy segment, followed by updated relevant expert information and my subsequent analysis.
Autopsy By Coroner- Autopsy By Proxy
In the interest of brevity, I intend to focus on the dissenting views of the experts, and I stipulate that in no report that I have reviewed, was there evidence of sodomy or object penetration of any of the boys.
While I believe Dr. Perretti’s prior experience with cases that involved same did form his opinion on the possibility as it relates to some of the injuries, I do not believe that such testimony should have been permitted at trial, nor would it be permitted today.
Memphis Triple Homicide May 5, 1993
James M. Moore #ME-329-93
Steve E. Branch #ME-330-93
Chris M. Byers #ME-331-93
LOCATION: On May 6th, 1993, all three victims were found, bound wrist to ankle with shoe laces, in the water of a drainage ditch, in a heavily wooded area called the Robin Hood hills, behind the Blue Beacon Truck Wash in West Memphis, Arkansas. An equivocal forensic examination of all available crime scene and autopsy photos, crime scene video, investigator’s reports, witness statements, family statements, autopsy reports and numerous other sources to be listed as referenced in the endnote section of this report. The purpose of this preliminary examination was to competently assess the nature of the interactions between the victims and their environments as it contributed to their deaths as indicated by available forensic evidence, and the documentation regarding that evidence.
James M. Moore
James Michael Moore autopsy found here.
The following forensic information is taken directly from the official autopsy report filed by Dr. Frank J. Peretti of the Arkansas State Crime Lab, Medical Examiner Division, dated 5-7-93, Case No. ME-329-93 and/ or from The official coroner’s report filed by Kent Hale, Crittenden County Coroner, dated 5-6-97.
The purpose of this section is not to present an all inclusive, detailed account and explanation of every piece of information in these reports, but rather to explore these reports, with the corresponding photos, for consistency, possible omissions, and to review injuries or patterns that this examiner deemed to be significant to the case.
Wound Pattern Analysis
This victim received more traumatic head injuries than any of the other victims in this case. Dr. Peretti states that defense wounds were present on the victim’s hands. These wounds were very few, indicating that victim was incapacitated quickly after the attack began. So the nature of these head injuries, and the limited defensive type wounds, combine to indicate sudden, forceful, and repeated blows that resulted in abraded contusions, multiple lacerations, and multiple skull fractures.
There is an unexplained directional pattern abrasion just below the victim’s right anterior shoulder area.
This unexplained injury does not correspond with any of the physical evidence collected at the location that victim was discovered. It is furthermore inconsistent with any of the naturally occurring elements that exist in that environment. The best conclusion that this examiner can reach is that this pattern abrasion was created by forceful, directional contact with something that was not found at that crime scene, whether it be a weapon, a surface or something else capable of creating that pattern.
The shoelace ligatures used to restrain this victim did not leave deep furrows, and also did not leave abrasions. This indicates that the victim was not struggling while the ligatures were in place. This indicates further that the victim was very much unconscious when the ligatures were affixed to his wrists and ankles.
We know that the victim drowned, that is to say that hemorrhagic edema fluid was present in the victim’s lungs, indicating that the victim was breathing when he was placed into the 2ft of water in the drainage ditch at Robin Hood Hills.
Together, these facts suggest that the purpose of the ligatures in this victim’s case was to keep the victim from moving around or being able to swim should he regain consciousness once he had been thrown into the water. It is this examiners opinion that the assailant in this case demonstrated all manner of awareness and cognizance at this location. The assailant knew that this victim was not dead when they threw this victim into the water, and that the ligatures would assist to complete the act of deliberate homicide should the victim become conscious.
Lack Of Injuries
When compared to the other two victims in this case, who were found at the same location, bound nude with shoelace ligatures in the same fashion, the most striking discrepancy is the lack of injuries suffered by this victim. In the crime scene and autopsy photos made available to this examiner, there were no readily discernible bite marks visible, the genitals have not been visibly disturbed or molested, and there are no discernible stab wounds. This lack of attention is very telling, and will be discussed in the Offender Characteristics section of this report. There is also, again, a lack of mosquito bites to this victim, which, as mentioned earlier, suggests that he received his injuries elsewhere first. This because the injuries took time to inflict, time during which many mosquito bites would have been received, even after death.
Analysis: I find the statement that he had the least amount of injuries, yet the most severe head injuries in dire conflict, as he died from multiple injuries, and drowning. The fractures to his head and lacerations to his left and front right skull were enough to cause his death within minutes on their own, and there can be no doubt that he received them while he was already unconscious because of the lack of injury at the ligature sites. There is very little hemorrhage involvement with the open lacerations, and all lacerations were abraded; one with a dovetail and upside down L producing an ovid fracture. In Jesse Miskelley’s confessions, he says one of them was moving as he was put in the water while he was leaving. I believe the reason he never mentioned that Michael Moore was beat about the head with an instrument of some kind is because he never saw that. Michael was located in the ditch just below the oak with the exposed root that had the luminol result “shaped like a V”, which would be consistent with him struggling to get out of that water, on that bank, with a cast off or blood spatter pattern consistent with someone beating him toward the bank and in front of that tree.
Mosquito bites: Only females take a blood meal, so that potentially reduces the population by 50%, and at no time will they bite a deceased person. They are attracted mostly by carbon dioxide, released from a breathing person. Both Dr. Haskell and Dr. Goff agreed to this ultimately.
What is further curious to me, is that while Turvey was hired by Miskelley, who confessed at least three times by the date of the generation of this report, does he not note the obvious discrepancy for the placement of Mike Moore upstream, or that he was found on his right side with the left side surfacing when in effect dislodged by Det. Mike Allen. Moore was also hogtied differently, with different knots than the other 2 victims, with ONE black shoelace. There is a reason that Turvey was not given Miskelley’s updated confession following his conviction, and instructed to disprove it; he would not have been able to.
Steven Edward Branch
Stevie Branch autopsy found here.
Wound Pattern Analysis
There are numerous violent, traumatic injuries to this victim’s face and head, as well as numerous superficial scratches, abrasions, and contusions noted throughout the rest of his body. Dr. Peretti, however, does not note the presence of extensive defensive wounds.
This indicates a violent, overpowering attack on this victim that he was unable to put up resistance against. The constellation of wounds are very similar to those inflicted on James Moore, however they are much more intense and include the victim’s face.
This level of attention paid to the victim’s face, in terms of depersonalization and rage, is indicative of familiarity and that will be explored later on in this report.
Furthermore, there is the existence of patterned injuries all over this victim’s face that could be bite marks. Since the ME may have missed this crucial evidence, other areas of his body may show bite mark evidence as well. The autopsy photos of this victim supplied to this examiner were not of sufficient quality to make an absolute determination of any kind, and would require a thorough examination by a qualified forensic odontologist for an informed, conclusive analysis. [note: Dr. Thomas David, board certified forensic odontologist, has confirmed the wound as a human adult bitemark and excluded Damien Echols, Jason Baldwin and Jessie Misskelley as the offender using bite impressions obtained from the men in prison] Bite mark evidence is very important in any criminal case because it demonstrates behavior and lends itself to individuation. It can reveal to an examiner who committed the act, because bite marks can be as unique as fingerprints. And, once established, it also reveals the act itself; biting.
Another unidentified pattern compression abrasion can be found on the back of Steve Branch’s head. The source of this injury caused a 3? inch fracture at the base of the skull with multiple extension fractures that terminate in the foramen magnum (that’s the hole at the base of the skull where the spinal cord connects to the brain). Upon close examination, this pattern injury is consistent with compression made from footwear. Again, without better photos supplied to the examiner showing a variety of angles, it’s very difficult to make a positive identification of any kind. But the pattern is consistent with a footwear impression, and would require a footwear impression expert to analyze and make an informed, competent determination.
The shoelace ligatures used to restrain this victim did leave deep furrows, and also did leave patterned abrasions on both the wrists and ankles. This indicates that the victim was struggling while the ligatures were in place. This indicates further that the victim was very much conscious before or after the ligatures were affixed to his wrists and ankles. We know that the victim drowned, that is to say that hemorrhagic edema fluid was present in the victim’s lungs, as well as in the victim’s mouth, indicating that the victim was breathing when he was placed into the 2ft of water in the drainage ditch at Robin Hood Hills.
Together, these facts, again, suggest that the purpose of the ligatures in this victim’s case was to keep the victim from moving around or being able to swim should he regain consciousness once he had been thrown into the water. It is this examiner’s opinion that the assailant in this case demonstrated all manner of awareness and cognizance at this location. The assailant knew that this victim was not dead when they threw this victim into the water, and that the ligatures would assist to complete the act of deliberate homicide should the victim become conscious.
Lack Of Injuries
There is again a lack of evidence to support any sort of strangulation. Dr. Peretti states that his examination of the neck of this victim revealed no injuries, and the photos that this examiner has seen support that conclusion.
Analysis: He missed the wound to Stevie Branch’s penis entirely. While not contained in his formal autopsy report, it was proven during the trial that Dr. Peretti’s colleague was called into evaluate what Turvey was calling “bite marks” and was ruled out. The fact that bite impressions did not match Echols, Baldwin or Miskelley was in no way exculpatory, and I will save you the bite by some animal with a rough tounge report nonsense I had to read .
The 3” fracture at the base of the skull, which “spiderwebbed” into subsequent fractures, also very likely severed his spinal cord, so one must assume this injury was also quite perimortem.
Steve ‘s left face was found to be abraded on the entire left side, and is consistent with someone either stomping on right side of his neck and fracturing it, with an obvious boot print, if the left side of the face was on the ground.
The gouging wounds- likely had to be inflicted following the fracture due to the lack of hemorrhage in comparison to the severity of the wound, and all experts agreed the injury was likely perimortem. So the question becomes- why?
Seems like a very important question, second only to what caused the trauma, based on the constellation of terminal injuries already inflicted on him. Wouldn’t the only thing left to do at that point be to submerge him?
It is my theory- therein lies the problem. Byers was put in the ditch first, and we know he was already deceased, therefore, he sinks. Stevie Branch is placed in the water next to him, and he either begins moving or floats and the suspects thinks he is still alive, and uses an implement to force him into the ditch bottom until he succumbs and stays submerged. I will leave out the specifics of the gouging wound as to why I think that resulted in the usage of the other end of the ice axe on Michael Moore. The luminol result, found in the ditch bed itself, after it was drained, slightly downstream from Byers and Branch, but still upstream from Moore could also support this theory. We know that Byers had already bled out, but Branch was still alive when he was put into the water and the only significant bleeding wound on his person capable of leaving blood evidence in the bottom of the ditch to survive it simply being washed away in the creek, there is a high degree of probability he bled directly into the dirt. He was found face down.
Christopher Byers
Christopher Byers autopsy found here.
It should be noted that this victim’s injuries were the most extensive, most violent, and most overtly sexual of the all the victims in this case. The nature and extent of this victim’s wounds indicate that the assailant spent the most time with this victim.
Additionally, this victim’s toxicology report revealed non-therapeutic levels of carbamazepine in the blood. All of these differences are very important, and will be explored in the later sections of this report.
Wound Pattern Analysis
There are numerous violent, traumatic injuries to this victim’s head, specifically to the base of the skull. There was also evidence of the violent emasculation of the victim’s sex organs, extensive lacerations and bruising to the victim’s buttocks, as well as numerous superficial scratches, abrasions, and contusions noted throughout the rest of his body. Dr. Peretti also noted that there were numerous healed injuries of varying nature on this victim. Dr. Peretti, however, did not note the presence of defensive wounds.
Again, this indicates a violent, overpowering attack on this victim that he was unable to put up resistance against. The general constellation of wounds to this victim is more advanced, more extensive, more overtly sexually oriented and includes the use of a knife.
This knife was used not only to inflict multiple stabbing and cutting injuries to the victim’s inner thighs and genital area, it was used in the emasculation process. There is, unmentioned in either the ME’s or Coroner’s reports, what appears to be a clear impression of the knife handle on the right side of the large gaping defect left behind after the removal of the victims penis, scrotal sac, and testes. This was impression was created when the knife was thrust full length into the victim by the assailant, during the process of emasculation. This indicates forceful, violent thrusts. The nature of this emasculation, as indicated by these wounds, is neither skilled nor practiced. It was a rageful, careless, but purposeful act carried out in anger.
It is the opinion of this examiner that this injury would have resulted in massive, uncontrollable blood-loss, from which the victim could not have survived without immediate medical attention.
It should also be pointed out that the nature of the stab wounds inflicted on the victim’s genital area, separate from those received during the emasculation process, show marked irregular configuration and pulling of the skin. This indicates that either the knife was being twisted as the assailant stabbed the victim, or that the victim was moving as the blade was withdrawn.
The second set of injuries is described as five superficial cutting wounds on the left buttock (pictured on the left in this photo at the right). It should be noted that these injuries are actually lacerations, as indicated by the bridging between the open tissue, and the irregular edges. Both indicators are apparent upon close examination of the photographs. It is the opinion of this examiner that this set of injuries is most consistent with the parental whipping given to Chris Byers by Mark Byers. It is further the opinion of this examiner that after having received this set of injuries, which tore open the skin and would have resulted in some severe bleeding, the victim would have been unable to walk or ride a bicycle without incredible pain and discomfort.
The third set of injuries is the multiple linear superficial interrupted cuts on the right buttock region (pictured in the photo above on the right). These injuries are not consistent with having been made by a belt as they are cuts. The edges are not irregular, and the cuts are interrupted, again indicating movement by the victim or the assailant during the attack.
Furthermore, there is the existence of bruised ovoid compression injuries all over this victim’s inner thigh that could be suction type bite marks. Since the ME may have missed this crucial evidence, other areas of his body may show bite mark evidence as well. The autopsy photos of this victim supplied to this examiner were not of sufficient quality to make an absolute determination of any kind, and would require a thorough examination by a qualified forensic odontologist for an informed, conclusive analysis.
Bite mark evidence is very important in any criminal case because it demonstrates behavior and lends itself to individuation. It can reveal to an examiner who committed the act, because bite marks can be as unique as fingerprints and positively identify a suspect. And, once established, it also reveals the act itself; biting. The shoelace ligatures used to restrain this victim did leave deep furrows, and also did leave patterned abrasions on both the wrists and ankles. This indicates that the victim was struggling while the ligatures were in place. This indicates further that the victim was very much conscious before or after the ligatures were affixed to his wrists and ankles.
We know that this victim did not drown, that is to say that no hemorrhagic edema fluid was present in the victim’s lungs, or well in the victim’s mouth. This indicates that the victim was already dead when he was placed into the 2? ft of water in the drainage ditch at Robin Hood Hills. This is, again, very different from the other two victims in this case.
Dr. Richard Souviron forensic odontologist: all mutilation is peri and post mortem, no knife was used.
On a final note, Mr. Hale states in his supplemental report on Chris Byers that there is a stab wound on his head. This is actually incorrect, and rectified by Dr. Peretti who states in his autopsy report of Chris Byers that the same injury is a 1¼-inch laceration to the left parietal scalp.
There is also, again, a lack of mosquito bites to this victim, which, as mentioned earlier, suggests that he received his injuries elsewhere first. This because the injuries took time to inflict, time during which many mosquito bites would have been received, even after death.
Additionally, unlike Steve Branch, there is no overkill present in this victim’s face. That is to say that this is another of the marked differences between the killings of Steve Branch and Chris Byers which is very important to note, and which will be explored more thoroughly in this report.
Recommendations
It is apparent from the physical evidence in this case that Chris M. Byers was attacked with sudden, violent force from which he defended himself in only a limited fashion. It appears as though this attack took place, at least in part, while his cloths were off and while the shoelace ligatures restrained him. He was sexually assaulted (an assault of a sexual nature, to areas of the body considered to be sexual, that does not include sexual penetration), and associated stab wounds indicate that he may have been conscious during several phases of the attack.
Analysis: How does he miss that the dosage of (car) was sub therapeutic, meaning below the level at which he was described and confuse it as non-therapeutic, in his estimation, as a possible means to subdue him. He completely missed the fact that it is likely that the level, found in his blood, was greatly reduced because there was very little blood volume left in his body. AND, it was a prescribed medication. Turvey does not mention the other factors that support Byers died first, and he died quickly and violently. While he did have stomach contents, he did not have any urine in his blatter and there was substantative evidence his bowels had evacuated at the scene, commonly a result of an immediate violent death.
Consensus or Conundrum- Depends Who You Ask
Regardless of which expert one believes, within the confines of each report, is the absence of the belief with any certainty that the “Baldwin” serrated knife was used. What they all agree on, is that the gouging injuries to Branch and Byers were very similar. They all agree that there was evidence of blunt force trauma, significant curvilinear fractures, what is commonly referred to in Forensic Pathology today as “chop wounds”, other sharp force trauma.
Thoughts onPost Mortem Animal Predation
I agree it is possible that snapping turtles could have caused what looks to be possible claw marks and at least one possible bite mark. I am emphasizing possible because I don’t think one can rule out animal predation 100%
Bryn Ridge himself testified he has seen snapping turtles in that area, some time ago. That said, there was not so much as a crawfish found in that creek as it was being pumped out, and that included a screen.
Dr. Spitz went as far as to suggest that somehow a carnivore of some kind was the cause of the animal predation although all oter evidence suggests that the boys were completely submerged, as well as their clothing, and there was obviously no animal tracks or other artifacts at the scene that would make that theory sound anything remotely believable. Thankfully, he stopped short of suggesting that a new breed of homicidal carnivores with a cleaner crew who could walk upright was responsible.
Fortunately I Dressed For Bushwhacking
Starting with one of the most important parts of the autopsy evidence, is the very fact that detectives knew VERY LITTLE about it outside of the cause of death, until late May at the earliest. So little in fact, that Gary Gitchell, Lead Investigator, wrote a list of follow up questions to the crime lab on May 26. (need link here)
Frank J. Peretti, MD preformed all three autopsies on May 7, 1993, and filed reports on May 10th for cause of death only. Those causes of death btw, were all listed as homicide by multiple injuries, period. Nobody knew that two boys died from drowning, and not all three. This is particularly concerning because the first conversation that Steve Jones and Det Sudbury had with Damien Echols was on May 7th prior to autopsy and in his subsequent interview with Det Bryn Ridge on May 10, when asked by Ridge how he knew about that, Echols told Ridge that Jones told HIM that whoever did this “urinated” in the mouths of the boys.
Urine was found in the stomachs of 2 of the victims, but that information was given by phone only to Gitchell, and not before May 16th, 1993. There is no possible way Damien Echols could have had case- specific information unless he was there or knew someone that was that told him what occurred, as the detective interviewing him at the time was clueless to that fact during the interview.
There are certainly many statements by both Echols and Miskelley prior to arrest that indicate they had prior knowledge of the murders, but I have been able to ride the see saw on those for the most part, like many.
The fact that Echols knew that there was urine in the stomachs of two victims, when it was intentionally ommitted from the report can only mean he was there, or knew someone who was, and in my opinion, both.
To be continued, West Memphis Three Part III
Sources:
Crime lab Index: http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/img/crimelab.html
Chris Byers autopsy:
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/autcb.html
Michael Moore:
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/autmm.html
Stevie Branch:
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/autsb.html
Turvey Report: http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/b_turvey_profile.html
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cbickel- hey good to see you- Glad to know you didnt leave me behind- Wheres MJH and Zara, and socal? I hope they come back around too.
its not easy being green….I mean in the middle surrounded by people on either “side” LOL
Im sorry I missed your post cbickel. I think it is possible that the point of an ice ax made the small “x” on the face.
I am also going to say I think the pattern on the leg, looks to me as if it came from a piece of rebar.
I have been trying to research – leather grips ect that would also cause this patterning- and something jumped out at me-
Besides rebar that pattern on the leg looks alot like a pattern a blackjack/billyclub might leave behind
see here:
http://www.blade-empire.com/Law_Enforcement/Saps/Leather_Billy_Club-10_ounces.shtml
cont
the club itself is too wide, imo, but brilliantly, you point out a pattern I think many are missing.
Again, when y’all read 3 this will sound redundant, but that rebar “imprint” is impossible to be rebar.
Why you ask? Do you notice on the contusion that what appears to be “x” s are white?
On rebar, the x’s are raised, in that they are highest point of the “implement” If I whacked someone with it, it would present an opposite image, it would be red at the x’s and decreased pallor surrounding it, not the other way around.
The X’s in this injury are voids in material, not raised, imo.
B
K says:
September 11, 2011 at 8:10 pm
@ Texas Grandfather
From Bastrop Texas to Lower Bartonsville Vermont, my thoughts and prayers are with all affected by fire and flood. Be safe and be well.
Heres another site:
http://www.mannouniforms.com/product37
and
Believe it or not, it seems they are easily made with rope and marbles and coins and leather ect ect..
things that make you go hmmm and for sure things that make you as a parent monitor your childs web browsing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fXhY6gOAk4&feature=related
lol, ok, good point, who makes a youtube of their billyjack collection laid out on their bed and then uses a police issue baton as a pointer?
B
JB- Hello Im not sure if you were addressing me or Momof2- but at any rate- I feel like you do in the sense that I am only looking for the truth- thanks for the link that labeled each part of the ax-
Also it seems perhaps a grip could have easily been made to extend the length of the shaft- even past the spike-
There was a piece of rope found at the scene-
could it be- that this was the grip come undone?
here is a u tube video demonstrating how this could be the case:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=Zy_1afLE_WI&NR=1
ajmo
Blink I know scary huh?
Thanks for pointing out the “raised” x’s- I’ll have to think on that-
Did you see the link I posted for JB? could that be the raised x’s?
I also found this homemade “cosh” which is made from rope and a marble- depending on the stitch one uses it could have produced raised x’s…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEpDgQ7h8yI
The rope left at the scene seems to me that it could have been used in one of these ways. IDK just thinking
AJMO
Oh wait the x’s are voids? Then I guess its back to the drawing board for me…..
They are. The “blood” will go to the contusion, in this case pallor indicates the x’s are “uninjured” if I am to make a comparison. The injury surrounds the x. It is more in line with the shape you came up with from the club, but as you can see, very slender, and imo, a concave vs. convex discussion.
B
@Blink
That’s a really great point that you make with the rebar. I questioned that myself. The Manhole Theory uses to that stupid softball example that seems to contradict the rebar impressions.
I am afraid I am unfamiliar with the softball example, but just the reference makes me cringe.
How could they be visually similar?
B
jb says:
blink says:
September 13, 2011 at 3:03 pm
I believe it’s reasonable to believe the axe was used in the commission of the murders, and certainly some of the injuries inflicted could well have been made by such an axe or its handle.
In reviewing Misskelly’s statements it occurred to me that perhaps the “large stick” he made mention of might not have been a stick at all, but the handle of the axe. Considering Misskelly’s state of mind at the time, the state he was in when he decided separate himself from the scene of the crime and the brutality he was witnessing, how can one, to include Misskelly, ever be sure that what he saw was a large stick rather than the handle of an axe that we most probably will not ever see for all of the evidence that had to be on it.
You know jb, if it weren’t for all of the corroborating evidences the Arkansas Supreme Court clarified exists against the WM3 and that little matter of candle wax and urine along with a few other things, I’d still think Byers guilty.
In fact, back in the day before Blink shed a whole new light on my way of thinking, with her greater ability to discern and to reason, I considered it possible that Byers had gone in search of Christopher to continue the beating (motive) and found the three boys in the woods. It wouldn’t have taken much time for a man of his experience and stature to knock three little boys unconscious and drop them down into a manhole, which would have accounted for the “x” marking on Michael Moore’s shoulder had he come in contact with the rebar either during battle or during the fall.
Then too, for all we know, were these markings the result of contact with rebar, the boys may have been playing or exploring, as boys do, the drains, and those particular markings might not be related to the murder at all. Having blown up the images of the markings I have to admit that they seen consistent with rebar especially in the longer marking.
None of this changes the facts, however, that substantially and sufficiently point to the WM3 as the killers, as was admitted by Misskelly on numerous occasions and affirmed by the Arkansas Supreme Court.
I am not sure if it was your intention, but brilliant post. I do not agree it was rebar, but I strongly support the method in which you both arrived at your opinion, and it’s delivery.
B
Paint me Pink, Blink. I posted my take on the rebar while you were posting yours. “On rebar, the x’s are raised, in that they are highest point of the “implement” If I whacked someone with it, it would present an opposite image, it would be red at the x’s and decreased pallor surrounding it, not the other way around.”
Like I said, I come here in part because of your better ability to discern. I do so love people who are so much smarter than I am, for all there is to be learned from them.
Thanks for clearing that up.
You have a clear process for learning ahead of you, it is absolutely sound. It took me a very long time to learn that if I was stuck, or not able to figure out something on my own, to ask someone who could, so that I might gain knowledge I did not have. Before that, I was always right, lol.
No growth in it, is like watching reruns. Bad reruns.
B
@christy, that was “un” necessary. maybe it is because i have a mentally retarded daughter, i just dont understand the humor?
It was a return lob for the political (and unwarranted) barb by the uneducated attempting to appear educated posts. She left it up to me to post and I missed it, I removed it, apologies.
B
There is absolutely no reason for that individual to approach young boys.
He has no “interest” in their careers or promotion thereof.
In fact, If your ok with it, I would very much like to see what your referring to.
B
blink ,you responed that ethyl was the alchol in m.m’s tox . i wasnt sure, i just looked it up and yes, you were confirming,that, that is representational of drinking alcohol. ie:from chemcases.com:— If it is attached to the ethyl (C2H5) radical then one has ethyl alcohol lCH3CH2OH) – the alcohol we consume in beverages..— ——- mom 3.0 yes ,i think we are on the same wavelength,give me a sec & i’ll respond in full.
Mom3.0
Blink is right about the rebar. Another thing is that the raised pattern on rebar is not high enough to prevent sliding on skin unless it is a verticle blow 90 degrees to the surface. I have seen a lot of scrapes and cuts from rebar on construction sites where guys sliped and fell agaist it.
The ice axe was old. Did Jason add a piece of rope to make a lanyard for it? We have no way to determine if it was done. The ice axe was not taken seriously as the weapon causing the injuries by LE. IMO they bought Jessie’s confession that a knife was used.
The multiple confessions of Jessie contain portions of the truth of what happened. IMO none told the true story. I believe his need to confess was because he could not believe the amount of cruelty that was present and he was ashamed of himself for participating.
It was interesting that in the documents containing the trade of the axe for shirts, the axe was considerd to be a weapon.
Well as usual you bring up something I had not thought of- there is no way this wound is not an impact wound. It is superficial , subcutaneous wte of the laceration or cut.
B
Anyone that bought into the Racoon bites theory has never watched them in nature. They can pull the top off a garbage can that is not locked.
I have one that destroyed one of my bird feeders and was making a mess until I waited for him to show up a 2:45 A.M. and took care of his free forays for food. No, I didn’t kill him, I just whacked his backside with a piece of wooden closet rod.
LOL LOL
B
kathy says:
September 13, 2011 at 7:11 pm
@christy, that was “un” necessary.
Kathy, I agree. I found this to be very offensive. I was actually surprised that it was allowed through.
Sometimes, when Blink is away and others are moderating, some things slip through that shouldn’t. I assumed this was probably the case on this post.
mjh
Removed.
B
I know exactly who he is, and there are strict rules about that, you are not the first person to report it.
B
I’m pretty new to the WM3 case and have been on the fence. With Blink’s help and comments from all of you, I’m starting to come to terms with reality that these 3 are indeed guilty.
I found the below link very helpful. Be sure to scroll down to the comment that is left. It discuses how even though much of the evidence may not be conclusive, there are way too many coincidences for them not to be guilty.
http://www.arktimes.com/RockCandy/archives/2011/08/24/thursday-to-do-west-memphis-three-past-present-and-future
Our beloved
Mom3.0 says:
September 12, 2011 at 11:46 pm
The feb 8th confession the things I took away from it- that give me pause-
jessie went to witch meetings where they burned candles and talked to the devil in different ways- and an older man that looks just like Damien opened a briefcase and it had a Polaroid pic in it of the three boys on bikes in front of a row of white houses.
____________
Forgive me for relying on memory rather than going back to review for clarity; but if I open one more window I’ll get lost in the shuffle. If memory serves me correctly, in the interview conducted by LE of Terry Hobbs, back in 2007, Hobbs mentioned something about seeing or being told of a photograph of Damien and Stevie sitting on the sofa in the Hobbs’ home. He (Terry) did not take the photo, nor did he know who did, as he knew nothing of it until long after the murders. Byers, he said, might know who had taken the photograph and might even know where the photograph was.
As far as I know no effort has been made to identify or locate this photograph Hobbs alleges exists, and I find that rather disturbing, in light of Mom3′s post and the mention of the photograph of the three in front of a row of white houses. I’m trying hard to recall other instances of photographs being mentioned but paid no mind to, and will research that. I seem to recall there were a few.
In the meantime, however, this is beginning to stink a bit of premeditated murder to me as well as ritualistic. The cult leader has a photograph of the three boys? For what purpose? Terry Hobbs recalls a photograph taken of Stevie and Echols in the Hobbs home? How did Damien know Stevie and what the heck was he doing in his house, and just what, exactly, would JMB know about this?
Troubling.
Hobbs says he was told one existed but he never saw it, or knows anyone who had seen it, and yes that is seperate from the infamous “briefcase photo”. Pam Hobbs stated she knew Damien from when he was small, but there has never been any further discussion of that I could find.
B
@Blink — Thank you. I know it was not intentional.
@Mom3.0 — I’m still here, and still with ya.
“It’s not easy being green” …. I have images of Kermit riding his bike in my head now…
Mom3.0 says:
September 13, 2011 at 5:03 pm
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Mom, is the photograph of the injury to the leg available? I cannot find it.
I am going to upload in new piece and will include the link here.
B
Wm3 are interviewed and photographed in this weeks people magazine their picture then and now quite eerie
*OT*
Just wanted to check my Avatar…some shade of green I am hoping…
Could the crescent shaped marks on Steve Branch shown in the photo in part 1 have been made by perhaps a beer can crunched in the middle,torn in half, and then popped back into shape? This would create both jagged and curved edges and depending on how it was squeezed and twisted would leave different curved impressions. Would not be a high impact type of wound but done more directly and in a taunting manner. Also would be something easily removed from the scene along with the candle. Just a thought.
WHERE IS PART THREE????????????
PART 3 PLEASE
Why is my comments not posting?
where is part 3
Oye to the Vey.
It is under the couch. Take a look, I’ll wait.
B
“Terry Hobbs recalls a photograph taken of Stevie and Echols in the Hobbs home? How did Damien know Stevie and what the heck was he doing in his house, and just what, exactly, would JMB know about this?”
Just another attempt by Byers to implicate Terry Hobbs. He claimed Pam Hobbs was having an affair with Damien. Of course, Byers just happens to be the only person in possession of that piece of “information” and the only person who knew anything about the alleged photo. It has as much credibility as anything else Byers says. Which is to say, none whatsoever.
Not having a visual of the leg wound that produces the X pattern, I am thinking something that had a projection in the form of a diamond shape with some amount of space between the diamonds.
This could very well be a firm cover that was used over the shaft of the ice axe for the purpose of providing a better grip surface.
I also thought of polypropolene rope wound in a helix pattern on the axe handle. Rope of that type is very hard compared to cotton or nylon.
For those who do not know about rope and patterns, check the rope area in the tools section of any of the big box home centers.
momof2
IMO the wound you are describing is caused by a forceful blow from some weapon with a hard surface.
just wondering is there no more dna evidence that can be tested that could have the wm3 on it or vice versa
mom 3,0———–susanm says:
September 13, 2011 at 10:11 am
the area of the confessions where jessie has changed “we were going to find some girls” from “we were going to find some boys”,with damien in the background ,saying “no, tell him girls”, is very crucial to me.i think it goes to motive ,and i think jessie is fudging some of the truth of the motive because he is grappling with his own guilt,and ‘homo’ implications,and because child abusers get beat up and murdered in jail,he seems to be trying to protect himself in whatever little twist ways he can.
mom3.0 says -i am assuming that you are talking about the phone call in which jesse says he’ll meet up with them at lake shore no specific time just on Wed i believe to get girls in West Memphis?… at the same time claiming that DE must have had a plan to do what he did- because of the Polaroid taken- and shown by DE’s doppelganger?doppelganger?-this remembrance- or story is again from jesse only- no phone records ect- and next, just because you think that it happened that way doesnt make it so- anymore so than JM “confessing” to outlandish details unproven by the evidence makes it so….or my thoughts on what happened make it fact.
– mom3.0,i am referring to the first confession where jessie originally says blah blah find boys, damien says in the background “no tell him girls”,—i didnt say that i believed jessie is telling the truth ,about the phone call, the phone conversation may have gone the way he says or not, or there might not have been a phone call at all,i am saying that imo it could be possible that the areas of his confessions that seemingly go off track or cause pause or are actually wrong or not quite in line w/ the evidence,or change from the previous confession ,are interestingly enough ,areas where jessie very well could be –and a pattern is showing that —,he fudges imo, the details ,to lessen his quilt.
mom3.0 says:
He was trying to lessen his “homo” child abuse stuff??-
–whether or the phone call happened, the ‘FACT’ that he changed the story of the phone call from the first confession where he mentions -boys-,to where he leaves it out on every other confession ,could mean a myriad of things,imo,And yes ,to lessen any past, current or future ,true or rumored ‘homo’ notion, after all the penis was cut
mom 3,0———–susanm says:
September 13, 2011 at 10:11 am
the area of the confessions where jessie has changed “we were going to find some girls” from “we were going to find some boys”,with damien in the background ,saying “no, tell him girls”, is very crucial to me.i think it goes to motive ,and i think jessie is fudging some of the truth of the motive because he is grappling with his own guilt,and ‘homo’ implications,and because child abusers get beat up and murdered in jail,he seems to be trying to protect himself in whatever little twist ways he can.
mom3.0 says -i am assuming that you are talking about the phone call in which jesse says he’ll meet up with them at lake shore no specific time just on Wed i believe to get girls in West Memphis?… at the same time claiming that DE must have had a plan to do what he did- because of the Polaroid taken- and shown by DE’s doppelganger?doppelganger?-this remembrance- or story is again from jesse only- no phone records ect- and next, just because you think that it happened that way doesnt make it so- anymore so than JM “confessing” to outlandish details unproven by the evidence makes it so….or my thoughts on what happened make it fact.
– mom3.0,i am referring to the first confession where jessie originally says we gonna go find boys, damien says in the background “no tell him girls”,—i didnt say that i believed jessie is telling the truth ,about the phone call, the phone conversation may have gone the way he says or not, or there might not have been a phone call at all,i am saying that imo it could be possible that the areas of his confessions that seemingly go off track or cause pause or are actually wrong or not quite in line w/ the evidence,or change from the previous confession ,are interestingly enough ,areas where jessie very well could be –and a pattern is showing that,imo —,he fudges imo, the details ,to lessen his participation.
mom3.0 says:
He was trying to lessen his “homo” child abuse stuff??-
–whether or not the phone call happened, the ‘FACT’ that he changed the story of the phone call from the first confession where he mentions -boys-,to where he leaves it out on every other confession ,could mean a myriad of things,imo,And yes ,to lessen any past, current or future ,true or rumored ‘homo’ notion, after all the penis of a little boy was cut.
i actually wasnt addressing a preplanned attack on the boys ,although the confession does suggest it.i was addressing his patterned response that ,he wasnt no part of any ‘private part touching’(paraphrasing),and his patterned response that he didnt do anything but hit and then stop ,watch, protect ,then later admitted helping bring the boy back,leave. i am in agreement that his confession goes off track ,at times. i am proposing ,not submitting as fact,that inmyobservance these areas that are questionable are patterns of avoidance of his own compliance with what was going on.what are the outlandish details unproven by the evidence that you note?
oops blink i didnt realize ,i hit submit before i was finished,the second post is the completed post ,can you delete the first one.thanks
http://www.wm3blackboard.com/forum/index.php?topic=1336.0
Terry and Pam Hobbs are among Geraldo’s guests, as is Misskelly’s father. Perhaps Pam Hobbs should watch it again. Any one who suspects TH, should.
Lucy says:
September 14, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Lucy, the comment you referred to in your last post was mine. I wasn’t questioning the actual existence of the photograph as much as suggesting that if such photographs were taken of the boys prior to their murders, the murders were likely premeditated with an occultic twist to them. You’re not telling me anything new about Byers.
FTLOG, is he kidding? This is a broadcast within a year of these murders, could he ever fact check, or say, get the victims name right- his name was Stevie Branch, not Stevie Hobbs. Sheesh.
B
Where ever it is that you’re off to tomorrow, Blink, have a safe trip and know that we will be waiting to hear all of the details.
Thank you for the kind words, trip pushed up so I am off this evening, with limited ability to respond personally, so I need to process comments as is.
Because of my commitments to the source data for this case, only I can post the next part, and only I have access to those images, etc so I appreciate everyone hanging in there. There is a method to the madness and I do the best I can where I am needed.
Thank you all for your advocacy as always.
B
Morgan, I was just replying to say that:
“Terry Hobbs recalls a photograph taken of Stevie and Echols in the Hobbs home?”
He doesn’t.
“How did Damien know Stevie and what the heck was he doing in his house, and just what, exactly, would JMB know about this?”
He wouldn’t know anything, since he’s lying.
I wasn’t correcting anything in your post or anything like that, just answering these two points =)
that post#30 was incomplete.and i guess lost. mom3.0 ,when i said it goes to motive ,if jessie is telling the truth in this part ,then yes that would likely be the motive,he is guessing himself,no?, if jessie is lying then he is fabricating a motive ,and why would he fabricate a motive.no shortage of answers. what i am saying again, is that there appears to be “a motive behind the ‘glitches” in the confession “,to absovle himself of any compliance in more damning details of brutality against these innocent children, i am not saying “it happened this way ” i am saying my theory is that this could explains what, i guess you are referring to as, “outlandish”details unproven by evidence” .i agree when it gets a little to close to what jessies might have actually done ,he covers his a**. i thought this was a place to discuss theories,isn’t that already a given. am i so convincing that it sounds like fact?i am not the someone who says on that tv commericial, that they are 100% sure,the wm3 are innocent. how do they know, were they there?
@Morgan
The premeditated and occult angle… I believe Misskelley’s confessions, especially the 2nd one, prove he was there. They aren’t fabrications, like some supporters say. And I don’t believe he was fed the 1st one, and repeated stuff he memorized from his trial in the 2nd one, as some other supporters say. But the guy with the briefcase with the photos, and the meeting, I could never quite stomach. It just sounds so… out there. Especially concerning the circumstances of this crime. I don’t know what that whole part is all about, but to me it doesn’t fit at all.
hi vicki,
I gather from your repeated posts that you didn’t understand what Blink meant about posts being moderated. When you post here, there is no instant gratification. We have to wait for Blink herself, or sometimes another moderator/editor, to read and approve the posts.
Blink doesn’t delete posts because of disagreement, but controls spam, personal attacks, individuals stirring things up by posting under multiple names, undocumented quotes, identifying information such as phone numbers, improper citations, etc. Well, at least she tries. We all try to help and let her know.
If you ever need to tell Blink something off-the-record, just BEGIN your post with:
***********PRIVATE NOT FOR POSTING*********************
(note to moderator–please POST this, this was just an example!)
Hope that helps. It’s a longer explanation than Blink’s “Oye to the Vey,” but I think it’s what she really meant to say.
This site does need an “Instructions for Posts” section, but Blink doesn’t have time to work on it until she gets Part 3 posted, and nobody else kills their significant others or wee ones for long enough for her to catch her breath.
lizzy
Unworthy but always thankful in an eyes closed, get to breathe way.
B
could the x’s be from a phillips headed screw? this one is for educated-could damien have fabricated the urine story,and fabricated that detective s??? told him? still gitchell would want to ask the medical examiner to check for urine. what would happened if urine was passed into the mouth after rigormortis or while mandible is paralyzed open?would it reach the stomach? or wash out of the mouth at dunking?when jessie says de and jb were going up and down in the water, were they washing the bank?or burying the clothes?is that broken williams bottle still around ,test for mm fingerprints, dont big boys try to make little boys man up and swig some whiskey and take a paddling as manhood iniation,or bullying.could jm be protecting someother accomplices? if echols was violently sexually abused,and is root cause, is that abuser free to continue?perhaps he should confront him /her in a controled enviroment ,.might help heal./ just hypothectical questions.
I wonder if the Moores have ever spoken to anybody about their boy. I’m not making snide remarks here but to me the Moore’s seemed to be a little bit more down to yearth about why had happen that the other parents. Any more word on the wrongful death suit they are thinking about bring on? I still wonder if there may be more dna on this little boy because he had defensive wooks
They are intensely private, and now divorced. I do have a mutual contact with Todd, and I believe they will make a statement when they are ready.
As brutal as it was watching Geraldo, any person that watches NCIS or CSI on a regular basis (not an insult I am making a point) knows Terri Hobbs was never responsible, nor had the capability to be.
Not an upstanding citizen, but not a triple murderer.
B
I Dont disagree with her. I do believe the wm3 are guilty ,I wasn`t asking for part 3 because i`m an annoying supporter.
I enjoy reading her stuff and she makes a lot of sense.
vicki- are you reading all posts? If you are, you are just fine with me, keep the faith.
B
@SusanM:
I noticed that one of these ice axe/picks has a point on it that resembles a Phillips head screwdriver. You can zoom in to the bottom right hand side.
http://media.photobucket.com/image/old%20ice%20tools/trundlebum/old_gear/OldIceTools.jpg
Well, Blink, you may not want to watch “Paradise Lost 3 Purgatory” then. I just read an article on it that says it will basically tell who the real killer is…Terry Hobbs! I’m going insane with how far these lies keep going! Blink, please tell me your next two parts are going to completely blow this thing out of the water with overwhelming evidence that the WM3 are guilty. No pressure or anything, but this nonsense has got to stop!
Not going to happen. If this case was a slam dunk, we would not be having the conversation.
I do not know how to best educate folks that public conviction, does not a jury conviction make.
B
Blink @ September 14, 2011 at 7:23 pm
LMAO. I’m certain that Capone, wherever he now hangs his hat, is having a good laugh! I know I am! Geraldo, fact check? I believe someone once dubbed him Knight Errant, and the title does suit him so well. LOL
cbickel says:
September 14, 2011 at 9:10 pm
You didn’t sound snide at all, cb! It’s true! There’s so much controversy surrounding Byers and Hobbs, but the Moore’s? Not one derogatory, accusatory word has come out of the mouths or off of the pens of anyone that I can think of, concerning them, and of the three boys only Michael seems to have had a fairly healthy relationship with his family whereas Stevie and Christopher, well, not so much.
Lucy says:
September 14, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Thanks Lucy for your comments regarding mine. I did scoot on over to You Tube and watched Terry Hobbs’ interview just to be clear. Initially he said he saw the photograph but upon further questioning corrected himself by saying he’d merely heard about it from Mark Byers. There isn’t much to be found regarding these alleged photographs, but I’m still looking.
Blink, you have always gone above and beyond and offered us the best there is, for which we are grateful and willing to wait.
TY kindly, I am on blackout for the most part through Monday, with the exception of moderating posts I cannot respond to personally.
B
blink is it possible that the bite mark is really the ice axe? if hit with it sideways and assuming it had a phillips screw on the handle so you can interchange the ice pick. just thought i would put out there, dont know if it was already suggested. tried to get a close up of the ice axe but was unable to see if it had a interchangeable blade/pic. also that would explain the X pattern
I have stated previously I believe that circular pattern with the raised bell shaped contusion is the opening where the strap or lanyard ties to the head. ATG also mentioned another thought we had, that it could be the actual strap or rope as pulled taught to the handle, but because of the cut to the right margin, I am thinking that it was actually the bottom handle portion that made the mark, with it’s grip, and the cut was made from the pointed pick or blade at the very bottom, but that is obviously my speculation.
B
@Blink, then I’m afraid the WM3 are getting away with murder and have been made famous to boot. People will never know the truth or seek the truth. They believe the celebrities and the documentaries. It’s not fair to those little boys. I guess the only justice will be when they meet their maker, and no celebrities are gonna be helping them out then. But, I want the truth to be known now. I’m afraid that may never happen and it’s all a lost cause. I hope I’m wrong though. Well, I’ll stop being depressed and turn in for the night. I will come back tomorrow. Thanks, Blink and good night.
Can we please stop speculating as to what the ice axe may have looked like when the one in question is actually on the Callahan site.
http://callahan.8k.com/images3/k_newell/weapon2front.JPG
http://callahan.8k.com/images3/k_newell/weapon2back.JPG
Aaron, the actual pic link is on this site as well, I have also identified the make and manufacturer as well.
Black Diamond Arctic Lite, chrome head, between 65 -70 cm. All of my personal analysis is based on it.
B
Yes Blink and i think you`re doing a fine job. I told a friend of mine about this link who had a little doubt that wm3 sorta are guilty
(he was sorta a fence sitter) but after he read your page he`s starting to lean more toward that they`re guilty,so keep up the good work and expose these 3 for the monsters they really are.
People need to know so they can be safe and keep their kids away from these people.
The top photo is the victims pic.
the pic on the bottom is someone to show proof
that rebar couldn`t make the impression like on the victim.
http://images.yuku.com/image/pjpeg/7da36ca057710965d31f9b517ae542cc0b1de2ae.pjpg
correct, nice find. Note the raised red “x” because the blood goes to the elevation.
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