Former UVA Cop Charged With Rape: Sean Michael Horn Faces Bond Hearing Today
Charlottesville, VA- Sean Michael Horn, 42, current Albemarle County reserve deputy and former police officer for the University of Virginia as well as the Albemarle Sheriffs Office was arrested last evening for rape. The arrest follows an extensive investigation conducted by the prosecutors office.
While there has been no specifics released, and it is the policy of www.blinkoncrime not to identify alleged victims of sexual crimes, we have learned that a complaint of rape against Horn was received in the Fall of 2011.
The arrest follows what can only be described as a series of chaotic incidents and events affecting Albemarle county law enforcement officers since 2009 at a minimum.
Following the death of 18 year old Greene County resident Colby Eppard on New Years Day 2010 by police gunfire, 7 Albemarle county officers were either suspended and/or demoted. Caleb Marden, a decorated sharp-shooter who served in Iraq was fired. Denise Lunsord, prosecutor for Albemarle county and North Garden resident, cleared all officers of any wrongdoing from the incident.
Eppard allegedly stole a neighboring Greene County patrol car and traveled almost 60 miles to Albemarle county. Although off duty Greene Sgt Randall Snead was out of his jurisdiction, Snead was among the officers in pursuit of Eppard and participated in the ambush to stop the teen. Snead’s former mentor and Sherriff, Willie Morris, committed suicide on January 28th.
Although he was on desk assignment pending the investigation of Eppard’s death, Snead responded to the scene of Morris’s home where he was located and rushed to the hospital. Morris was removed from life sustaining efforts without ever regaining consciousness. A suicide note blamed his tinnitus condition.
In a recent election, Steve Smith won the Sheriff slot running against Snead, and has since met with controversy after releasing nearly all of his staff. An email criticizing Smith was received by several news outlets from a previously fired Albemarle County Lt. Scott Cox, then a Greene county deputy who has since been released. Horn has Sheriff Smith listed as a friend on his facebook profile. Cox was among the Albemarle County Officers who was demoted after 18 years of service in the scandal.
Albemarle county is also the home of The Anchorage Farm, where murdered Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington was recovered after exhaustive searches of the areas surrounding the JPJ arena, UVA campus and private LE searches failed to locate her. Harrington disappeared from a Metallica concert at the John Paul Jones Arena on October 17, 2009 after being refused re-entry by security. DNA evidence has linked the Harrington case to a suspect in an unsolved rape in Fairfax, VA in 2005. Former lead detective now retired, Lt. Rader, has only indicated that forensic link means that Morgan came into contact with that individual prior to leaving Charlottesville.
Efforts to confirm whether Sean Horn was working the event as a UVA officer that evening have not been returned.
Corrine Geller, public information officer for the Virginia State Police, whose agency leads the probe into Morgan’s homicide responded to our inquiry as to whether or not Horn was a target of their continuing investigation this morning:
“The investigation remains ongoing at this time. I’m not able to comment on who our agents have or have not looked into during the course of their investigation.”
Horn lists Virginia Tech among his educational credentials on his facebook account, where Harrington was a junior at the time of her disappearance. It is not known if the two were acquainted.
Horn is being held in the Albemarle Regional jail pending his bond hearing today.
Check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates.
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Thanks Tango. I think Morgan was on the bridge, simply because she was witnessed by Dad and Daughter. But her abduction did not occur on the bridge necessarily. Meaning she may not have been randomly spotted and picked up by a killer on the bridge. More likely, she was stalked by someone known or unknown to her in the vicinity of the bridge and the various parking lots. I wish we had a time (even if approximate) when the curtsy duo say they saw her–does anyone recall ever reading a time for their sighting of her? I have found that suspicious from the beginning. BB players left the arena at 9:00, and drove away from the RV lot at about 9:15. Yet Morgan was seen hitching on the bridge by Dad and Daughter at 9:20 or earlier. Dad dropped off his daughter at 9:23–according to dorm security system. Morgan was off the bridge by 9:32, when Dad drove back over the bridge after stopping at a convenience store. WHEN did the Curtsy Duo observe her? The most likely time is AFTER 9:20. I have never read that the BB players observed Morgan walking toward the porta-potties as they left, which would have been the case had she made it to the bridge and taken a hitch-hiking stance by 9:20. I mean: how does Morgan reach the porta-potties, curtsy to the duo, presumably do her business, get her clothing straight, and walk to the bridge to assume a hitching pose all in the space of no more than 5 minutes? It just doesn’t add up.
Leelee, my jaw drops again. Morgan and her books – her not contacting anyone after 7:20 ……. WHY did she leave the arena?
thanks Olivia and tango. idk if that is a trustable/verifiable source (Jan Maxwell’s comment) but it is interesting. for some reason, i thought i remembered it the other way around – that they parted and then the girl went after the young man towards the road.
so if it is ballpark in the timeline and location, what are the odds that a blonde woman that looked like Morgan was in this altercation, while the concert is well underway and also in the timeline of her last known whereabouts?
hand and arm locks with pushing back and forth sounds like get away from me or come with me type of altercation, rather than a typical lover’s quarrel too.
Unfortunate that she could see the girl looked exactly like Morgan but only had a vague description of the guy. Hard to believe it could have been sketch.
They were drinking on the way to the concert, not studying.
firefighters, emts, security, leos and rsos … 2.5 years later … any word on when the civil suit begins?
cosmo says:
May 30, 2012 at 10:44 am
firefighters, emts, security, leos and rsos … 2.5 years later … any word on when the civil suit begins?
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I think that we are getting back- which I think is good- to some of the original themes that are well-documented in BOC’s early threads. It’s easy to overthink things and advisable to keep all possibilities open, but the answer has to lie in what was discussed on here early on. I’d add BB players to the above equation, too. Good discussions of late everyone.
This won’t be relevant to morgan but didn’t know where else to post it.
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Bizarre-Incident-at-Shopping-Center-Where-Vanessa-Pham-Was-Last-Seen-133921713.html
deetee, I think Jan Maxwell was pretty much quoting an article in the media about Granny – I just don’t happen to have the actual article anymore. There was much, MUCH discussion about “The Granny Sighting” in the early days, with Blinksters pretty much split down the middle as to her validity. I believe Granny but I always thought she witnessed Morgan and “Kickee”. Is the “slap” Granny heard actually the sound of boot on azz?
redly, interesting note about the “vague description” of Parking Lot Guy. That sentence makes me think the paper (is the Hook a paper or magazine?) and law enforcement are working together…LE doesn’t want the perp to know they know…they’re trying to come across as not having a clue. Then the right side of my brain takes over and says “of course they don’t have a clue!”
One thing that stuck out to me the last time I watched the Disappeared episode: It’s not that the producers hid the identity of the BB players; they just didn’t mention their athletic affiliation haha; they actually tried to tie them to the sighting on the Lawn. BTW, I’ve always been confused as to whether that sighting was on the actual LAWN, or the West Lawn…and is there a difference?
Off Topic: I saw UVa had Katie Couric at commencement. Cool. I got to meet Charles Bierbauer at my daughter’s graduation from the University of South Carolina. GO COCKS!
I am with you CentVA Native Away…….
Good points being made by everyone still here lately.
Thank you Redly for posting the link to the shopping center /Vanessa Pham incident.
The granny thing just keeps popping up in my brain it kind of keeps demanding my attention F.W.I.W.
Oh shite I wish we could catch this /these bastards and find justice for our shiny girl
Morgan Dana Harrington …God Speed JFM ……241
does LE have to have a warrant to obtain a list of all employees of RMC who were on or off work that night??
IMO it would be critical for them to at least give them the names of employees from that evening- because they are possible witnesses. If enough were questioned- they could also provide names of other employees who werent working that evening.
And unless the arena is owned by a private group (alumn association etc) the employees are STATE employees. Which should names should be available via FOIA.
Am I wrong B?
You are Pep, JPJ does not employ “civic” employees, they are either direct or contract.
B
clarification-
I meant that LE should be able to obtain a list of employees working that evening without a warrant. Simply because they are very possibly witnesses.
Is this incorrect?
Redly multiple sources state that Morgan offered the use of her car but did not want to drive because she wanted to study on the way. I believe that story came out when it was revealed that Morgan didn’t drive to the concert, her friend Dan C did. Has that been debunked? I would assume that they would drink on the way to the concert but why would someone say her intention was to study on the ride to the show? If that wasn’t the case then why did someone lie about what she was doing during the ride? Her friends couldn’t have been dumb enough to think the police would really care about underage drinking ( luckily with a designated driver) in the wake of Morgan’s abduction especially since these were friends who had no issues talking about partying on Facebook and were back to having a grand old time shortly after her disappearance.
I worry that I seem like I believe her friends had something to do with this and that isn’t really my intention nor belief. I just don’t think we have an honest account from the about the situation that night. I could speculate anout why i think they are lying but that wouldnt be fair to them nor to Morgan. In order to understand how and when Morgan eventually came into contact with sketch we need to know what happened (and why) in the hours leading up to her attack. Honestly her friends just make me want to scream because one of my closest friends was murdered in 2008. We weren’t in the same city when she was abducted near campus and shot five times so there was never anything I could have offered the police during the investigation. But if the scenario was different and I could have provided useful information I would have even if it meant I had to admit that when she disappeared I was snorting cocaine off my pimp waiting for my latest batch of meth to finish cooking.
Does anyone know for sure if Morgan’s friends said they waited around for her after the concert?
Leelee says:
May 31, 2012 at 4:39 am
Redly multiple sources state that Morgan offered the use of her car but did not want to drive because she wanted to study on the way.
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I don’t think they do leelee. I think there was some inaccurate noise about that at the very beginning of the case, which most people were skeptical of right away (who in their right mind would go hear lamb of god sober). Anyway, whatever the story (after the “morgan was going to leave her car at jmu and needed money from dad to help pay for her friend’s gas” was shown to be a fib) was, they were drinking and/or partying on the way down to the concert. The police confirmed she had been drinking. The police also said that the friends did wait around for her — though part of that “waiting” seems to have been spent in a local bar/restaurant so I doubt they were sitting there wringing their hats with worry waiting for her to appear.
Hello guys lots of really good brainstorming going on lately good to read your efforts-
I have a lot of thoughts Id like to share but I am running kinda short on time right now- so Ill be sure to return rather than rush to jot them down-
For now I would like to add my comments on the Granny sighting-
This sighting has always had my attention as it has never been debunked to my satisfaction-
There are many strange things about the granny sighting and the aftermath of this granny coming forward-
Her account was given in video form- but now this account has disappeared from all internet sources- at least i am unable to find it- (if someone has it please post it- as id like to see it again)
Granny was shown only from the lap down- She held the tickets her son had bought for her grandson IIRC- in her lap as proof of her tale- She was not sure if she had seen Morgan and never was willing to say it was Morgan, but was afraid it might have been She was scared herself and refused to be named or shown…- she came forward that Monday
She told the story matter of factly- she had arrived at the arena early – around 9:30 as she wanted to make sure she could find a parking space- as she sat waiting she heard a commotion behind her car-
She heard a loud noise she said it sounded like a slap she thought the girl was slapped not the boy… she watched as they were struggling she noted long dangling gold earrings IIRC she may have described them as hoops…( Im not sure)-
She told them ( pp)not to do something theyd regret in the morning
The girl who looked like Morgan started to walk back towards the arena…the boy started to walk off towards the road but thought better of it and ran to catch up to the girl
This encounter if it was Morgan could NOT have been the kickee encounter that took place minutes after Morgans exit and was immediately followed by the Bkeeper encounter and Morgans walking with/not with the group of 4 Bib who later were confirmed to be BB{=
This encounter COULD have been Morgan after the father/daughter account first pass- or even after the last witness saw her on the bridge whomever that might have been… granny did not say she saw a bag or umbrella…
So in closing I am still not sure if this was Morgan- but it could have been-
I wish LE would come forward and rule out things, but to my knowledge the granny sighting was not totally ruled out- or in for that matter although they seemed from the start to disregard this sighting even more so than the lawn sightiong and as we all know the bookkeeper shaking leg p-lot account has not been mentioned again specifically by LE since the first days- even though they enterviewed this witness more than 8 times during those first weeks… So who knows?
LE said in the Disappeared show- they havent ruled out any encounter- unless they they say so- such as in the lawn sighting, which they believe wasnt Morgan- LE still will leave open the possibility that it might have been her…
Confused? I know I am
BTW Guys The Curtsy Duo’s encounter happened immediately after the BBP were said to have left the lots- before the father/daughter sighting and the independent 3 witness bridge sightings FWIW
AJMO
Peace
Well y’all know what I think, and have believed from the beginning. That was Morgan and an unknown male having a tiff in the parking lot. Big gold earring and hair in a pony tail. It was her.
B
oops forgot to include the link to the written report of the granny sighting- again if any one has the original video please post it thanks-
http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=11374052
snipped:
A grandmother from the Richmond area says she was in the parking lot of John Paul Jones Arena the night Morgan disappeared. What she saw could be a clue to unraveling the mystery of what happened.
AJMO
non-specific.
B
Well it’s good to see all of our wheels turning in motion again , & discussing events & possible events that transpired.
With so many unanswered questions we all are approaching the possibilities with respect for each other & that is so refreshing to see.
Blink , I also believe that is was Morgan & an Unknown male seen having the Tiff in the parking lot.
Did Granny give any type of physical description at all of the male that was released to the public?
Thanks Redly’. I shouldn’t have used the word source…. What I meant to say is that multiple sites and articles have included the “Morgan wanted to study” claim. This is the only one I happened to bookmark though. http://truecrime1.blogspot.com/2010/11/unsolved-murder.html. There is so much contradictory information online it is often hard to tell if discrepancies come from heavily propagated inaccurate information or from stories being changed as time passed.
The reason I wondered if there was confirmation that her friends did wait for her is because they claimed she was going to find her own way home. If so then why did they claim to be waiting especially since there had been no contact from her after the phone call outside the arena.
Found an interesting tidbit I found regarding athletics at UVA. As We all know Morgan encountered the basketball players and her purse was found by a lacrosse player. But the young man who found her shirt happens to be a frat boy musician from Fluvanna County who was on the UVA club rugby team. Only thing about him that strikes me odd is his desire not to show is face in the article about his tshirt discovery. He didn’t mind his name being used but it is such a unique name and he had a very public presence online due to the band he had been in. He would know that giving your name but not showing your face isn’t a good way to maintain privacy. I have a fairly uncommon last name so my first inclination would be to hide my name instead of my face although ideally I’d hide both.
Regarding the granny sighting: I’ve always thought there was a good chance Granny did see Morgan but I always get hung up on who it is she could have been arguing with, especially since it appeared to escalate to a physical “struggle” (i.e. the locking of arms). The fellow to me doesn’t appear to be a stranger, because once there was the struggle, and Morgan moved away, you wouldn’t think a stranger would continue pursuit in a parking lot where he could be observed, especially if he meant her ill-will. It seems more likely that he would have been at least an acquaintance of Morgan’s. Was there any ongoing feuds or disagreements with any friends? Did the arguement she had with her friends include Dan C? Did she run into this acquaintance unexpectedly or was it possibly pre-planned and she left the arena to meet him? Was it someone who was stalking her that no one else was aware of? Does that make sense to anyone but me?
“The woman says the girl started walking back toward the arena and the young man headed for the road, but ran back to the girl. She says the girl looked just like Morgan and it appeared the couple knew each other. The woman only had a vague description of the young man she saw.”
At 9:30 Morgan was seen on the bridge so if she left the bridge and headed back toward the arena was this sighting in the UHall parking lot? And the guy started walking toward Copeley at first and then turned back toward Morgan? Is that how y’all picture it?
I guess one reason I’ve thought Parking Lot Guy (or some other, catchier name that y’all can come up with) was Kickee is that it’s hard for me to believe that Morgan came out of the arena – not overly inebriated according to her friends – and became involved in two physical altercations with two different men (three actually, counting Sketch). Did she physically assault any of the basketball players does anybody know?
I do agree with you Mom3.0 that – *according to Kickee’s statement* – his encounter with Morgan happened earlier than the Granny sighting.
I apologize this post is so disjointed – I’m really really busy today – just throwing stuff out there.
Where did her friends say she left the arena not overly inebriated? I haven’t seen much if anything they have said.
I am going against the grain here but I think granny may have seen something a lot less exciting than what she now describes go down between a boy and girl (not morgan) and has blown it up into seeing morgan. It has the sound of an “I want to be part of the story” tale to me.
redly- I have never seen her say a word past the interview she gave, and did not wish to give her name.
I found her extremely credible and it is not like she was Norma Parsons and showing up at searches and calling anyone who would listen as well as LE several times. I mean no disrespect to Ms. Parsons, I am just comparing the two alleged “interjectors.” She never said it was definitely Morgan, just gave the facts and never gave a description of the male to anyone but LE.
B
Thanks for everyones thoughts on the granny sighting- you too Blink most appreciated.
I was going off of memory when I noted the times and I should know better…
Everyones thoughts prompted me to look up the witness recollections and times…
Please bear with me-
Lets start with Father daughter-
Father/daughter made the initial pass before or no later than 9:20pm-
See here:
snipped from hook article
As the father drove his daughter back to her dormitory around 9:20pm, their path took them past John Paul Jones Arena….
A young woman, dressed all in black with long blond hair, was standing on the bridge with her thumb extended in the classic hitchhiking gesture…..
…. Virginia State Police Special Agent Dino Cappuzzo shared the story of that father and daughter– and revealed that it was their witness testimony that permitted police to pinpoint the time Morgan was likely abducted.
The father, whose identity has not been revealed, dropped his daughter off at her dorm, Cappuzzo says, a few minutes after the bridge crossing. Her electronic key was logged at 9:23pm by her dorm’s security system…….
On his way back to his hotel, the father stopped at the 7-11 convenience store on Ivy Road, says Cappuzzo.
There, another time-stamp— this one in the form of a register receipt— provided police with another objective time mark around 9:30pm.
When the father left the 7-11 and returned over the bridge no more than a minute or two later, Cappuzzo says, he remembered the young woman standing with short sleeves and no umbrella in the chilly drizzle. She was gone.
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see here same article snipped
Within approximately 10 minutes of those two bridge crossings, two other unrelated witnesses reported to police that they’d seen a blond woman hitchhiking there. Cappuzzo says all witnesses’ stories have been thoroughly vetted by police, and none are considered suspects.
and
Cappuzzo says, police are convinced that Morgan got into a vehicle somewhere on or near the bridge, and very likely did so willingly.
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So, Police have stated that their thoughts on Morgans disappearance from the bridge is a direct result of this father/daughter/ seeing her at or before 9:20 and dad NOT seeing here there on second pass around 9:30
Police make the leap that because father/daughter and others “within ten minutes” of f/d bridge sighting saw Morgan with her thumb out she must have entered a vehicle on or near the bridge most likely “willingly”
Well I can understand this assumption it does seem likely –except noone saw her enter a vehicle and her belongings were in the lot…
What if Morgan didnt “disappear” between the father/daughter passes? What if some time, near 9:30- before the father passed over the bridge for a second time, Morgan made her way back thru the lots, met up with someone who offered her the use of an umbrella…
What if granny DID see her and TiffDude and Morgan was on her way back to get her purse and the umbrella?
Regardless if Granny’s sighting was MH, I still cant understand what makes police so convinced that Morgan most likely entered a vehicle willingly between the father daughter passes…
Especially since her belongings were left behind AND lets not forget that due to the polices own timeline and witness statements- its nearly impossible for everything to fit into the theory of Morgan Harrington was irrational-wobbily -erratic and willingly left UVA grounds via HH from the bridge between the father daughter passes…
AJMO
cont-
thus the reason the theory will not hold water and never has, imo.
B
CONT-
Blink and all so based on the timeline which LE is working under IT IS Possible
that Granny did see Morgan and Tiff Dude-
F.D saw HH Morgan sometime before 920, or NO later than 920- this is based on the time stamp of 9;20 dorm door
According to police 2 other “independent” HH bridge witnesses claimed to see Morgan “within” ten min of F/d
So my guess is that these sightings are given in app. times and the witnesses do not know exactly when they saw the girl..
If so, then it is again POSSIBLE that Morgan Harrington was seen by Granny and it is even more possible that Morgan returned to the lots- especially since her belongings were there.
Granny said she arrived at the arena about 930 as she was sitting there she heard a commotion- so her times are app. also- which would seem to leave room for this sighting to have occurred after 9:30 and even as late as 10 to 20 min later.
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So if Granny sighting has not definitely been ruled out why is it not factored into the possibilities? and IF it has been debunked- why doesnt LE state it as such- like they did with Karen 55′s next morning sighting?
Interestly enough, I was able to find one reference to the granny sighting as “debunked”
it is included in the same sentence with the “debunking” of articles of Morgans clothing being found-
Go figure…
Also please note in this sentence it has the granny parking in the “arenas parking deck” and for the life of me, I can not see this being right from granny description of the Tiff Dude walking off toward “the road” and the girl Poss Morgan walking back “towards the arena”…but i am not a local so…perhaps it does make sense…
Heres the quote snipped from Hook article “Off the face Of The Earth”
“A few stories that have surfaced in the media have been debunked. Among them were a grandmother who believed she might have seen Morgan in the Arena’s parking deck arguing with a young man, as well as reports that items of Morgan’s clothing have been found.”
AJMO
Well it was not in the parking deck for starters, and I dont recall when that was written but her shirt was found. SO 0 for 2 as I see it.
Granny sees a girl MATCHING Morgan’s description, with 2 areas that were NOT KNOWN at the time:
1. Large gold earrings
2. Her hair was pulled back.
Argument where she thought she heard a slap, which was likely her dropping her purse on the ground with the back and forth arms lock (maybe a camera in it). Next thing you know, a call about a purse and contents stolen from a vehicle at the same time they arrived to JPJ, which ends up suspended for unknown reasons.
I am certainly open to being wrong, and I may be, but from the second I heard this account, when you look at analysis of early witnesses in cases, this one passes my smell test.
If that does not grab you, than go with when something grabs me in the gut for whatever reason, and won’t let go, and in the back of my mind I hear.. I know what I know what I know, it has not failed me to date. As a sort of personal litmus test if I feel that way, I work even harder to exclude it.
I have not been able to, to date. I believe that exchange was with Morgan and I believe we will find out who in the civil case. I should also say, I do not believe this person harmed Morgan in any way.
B
- Correction doorstamp was 9:23
and I just noticed that the article “Off the face Of The Earth” posted Oct 29th- the shirt find was Nov 5 IIRC and JMs possleggings find was at the search and they were not collected, correct? So I am not sure which articles of clothing the article is alluding to…perhaps the boot?
So was the granny sighting “debunked” and if so where is the info from LE stating it as such?
Redly, Hey- I appreciate you going against the grain- I know that not easy.
If you are correct and this sighting has been debunked then why doesnt LE come out and definitely say so- heck they wont even debunk the lawn sighting in any definite language- despite all evidence pointing towards this not being Morgan…It was included in the Nationally televised show Disappeared, and was essentially the back bone of the entire program- yet the actual witnesses encounters that LE is relying on the F/D curtsy Duo- BBP were all glossed over-
Hell even Sketch’s encounter was downplayed as being an encounter sometime at Charlottesville prior to her death…
AJMO
Hey Blink- just read your response and I agree with you- despite the publishing date of that article- posted in my second comment…
Thanks for clarifying It did NOT take place in the P deck- I thought not-
Some things just ring true and make this witness account believably Morgan
1
The mention of the gold dangly earring- THIS is MAJOR for me, as in the beginning & until quite recently- we, the public knew nothing of Morgans earrings- nothing
2
Granny, although she was frightened -she did come forward and shared her sighting.- and although she was vague on the description of the male – she was believable in her telling. I do think she was vague because she WAS frightened- & as you said she did tell LE- to me that lends credence to her sighting.
3
The disappearance of the video seems to lend credence to the Grannys sighting. Why is it gone if it is pointless- no other vids are gone not Dees ball drop that was mistaken as Morgan etc
4
the time noted in this sighting about 9:30- would seem to fit – it is possible that before Fathers second pass at approximately 9:30? IIRC, Morgan left the bridge on her own accord and/or met up with this Tiff dude, and he was to be her knight in shining armor until the Tiff ensued…
If this sighting was debunked by LE, say by the actual couple coming forward and proving the granny saw them instead of Morgan and Tiff Dude…then why doesnt LE just come out and say this, what harm can it do to the investigation to clear up wrong info/witness sightings- afterall they had no problem in coming out to say all the BBP were definitely gone by 9:20- and the Dee sightings were definitely debunked as Morgan…. So?
I hope this does come out in the civil case- because I truly believe Morgan Harrington did not disappear off of UVAgrounds between the father daughter sightings- the evidence does not support this- it just doesnt
AJMO
As you know, I can never speak of confidential or case sensitive issues in an open investigation, and any conversations I have with family, friends, or witnesses outside of a separate mutual agreement is sacrosanct. That is particularly hard, because so often these “heroes” of tragedy say something so profound it reminds me to keep at it when I sometimes despise this work just as passionately as I approach it. I want to share it for others. Alas.
I will say this, my efforts to exclude the Granny sighting had everything to do with why anyone knows what earrings Morgan had on that evening at all, I was that sure and I did not stop until such time it was able to be confirmed ( I am being intentionally vague).
B
ps I also dont think this Tiff Kid abducted Morgan or killed her- but if he interacted with Morgan he definitely could fill in some of the gaps-
Did she return to her car? was her ticket torn -where is it- her purse and cell left behind…the umbrella… the camera…the necklace
He might be able toanswer the whys to many things such as much of LEs language PP-she may have borrowed someones cell…someone may have given her a ride and may not have done anything bad- come forward let us know.
AJMO
One scenario that sticks in my mid re the granny sighting (which holds water for me) is that Morgan may have been fighting some one over the keys of her car…the person had the keys and Morgan wanted them but he would not give them to her. OR her phone or handbag for what ever reason.
Interesting about the dangly gold earrings as I remember granny being the only person tp mention them and hair tied back. I seem to remember granny getting some flack for that as in the early part of the investigation earrings were never identified as part of Morgans attire. Now it seems she was wearing earring like only granny described.
The dad or granny is mistaking obviously.How old is “granny”?It’s a shame that every chic at that concert was dressed in the standard “emo” get up…black,black,black boots. Hitchhiking seems weird to me,unless granny has her time messed up.Maybe Morgan leaves the dude she’s scared and cold(obviously on something;no wait she was studying earlier,lol)in a panic to get away starts hitching.Debating this is getting so pointless it’s unbelievable.LOL,this feels like it was when I first started following this thread a year ago.Nobody’s fault though since LE hasn’t released anything new in yrs it seems.Eventually this case will get solved,only problem I have is I really hope I’m still breathing when they arrest his ass…
Could it be from the granny description that Rader was asking for witnesses who lent their phone to a blond chic to please come forward?Meaning maybe she called this person for a ride,as opposed to running into him at the venue?Since Morgan obviously didn’t use her’s after 8:48.Morgan wasn’t new to concerts in C’VILLE or the music seen maybe granny is spot on with her assumption they knew each other.Sketch’s DNA is def a black male?Or is it just male DNA and LE is going off of first victims description?
First time: I like the Dan C question myself..I’ve wondered that from early on,but never said it here bc it seems most think her friends hands are clean in this..I kinda have doubts.I lost a friend very close to me my Junior year of high school.That was 15yrs ago and there are still several of us who remain close to his family today.As Gil Harrington had stated a little while ago something about the looks of Morgans friends faces say “they have moved on”…That makes me nausea..
Well bp3 I disagree that going over things is pointless, in fact I have found it to be helpful. On thing I have thought about is the earrings. The sighting of those is so important . Jane Lillian Vance held those earrings & painted them into her portrait of Morgan’s final spot where she was located in the field .
Blink, I understand and I do appreciate your wanting to share even though you cant- I know you strongly feel granny saw Morgan and I do believe its possible- and until LE comes out and says No way because xyz I will still believe it to be possible.
Heres the thing I am VERY worried that LE has tunnel vision when it comes to Morgan Harrington HH off the bridge – If F/D’s one sighting and fathers NON sighting is all they are going on- to pinpoint the times of the abduction or the willing ride away by Morgan- add to that dogs alerting ten days later after rain- then I say that is NOT enough to surmise that Morgan willingly HH right off the face of the Earth- between the F/D sighting- NOt when her belongings are back in the lot-
JMO but is just as likely from the trail the dogs followed that Morgan Harrington walked off that bridge back through the lots to the porta potties to where her purse was located…
I mean seriously how can a handler determine in what direction and how many passes a person made? Besides even LE acknowledges there may have been scent drift…
hummingbird – yep I Agree do not remember anyone mentioning earrings besides her.
Bp3-
Dont know if father daughter are mistaken- in the beginning I asked how MV and LC good have been so sure they saw MH did they know her? Can father daughter be sure IDK – but they saw her ONCE she was gone on the second pass-
But their times for seeing the HH Morgan can not be discounted as they do have timestamps that make the window virtually unmovable
The witness statements/times leading up to that window do NOT add up
That is what is so frustrating-
AJMO
Blink by a call being suspended do you mean the caller called back and stated there wa no longer a problem? And any theory on Morgan’s link to the call and how it relates to police asking someone to come forward if the loaned her their cell phone.
And small clarification regarding the studying. I don’t think she was saintly sitting in the back of her car studying. What I want to know is if in fact her friends ever said that was what she prepared to do. It is only important to me because if that was the plan(and I can’t count how many trips I dragged my books along on saying to myself I would study during a drive to make myself feel slightly responsible when I knew a bit of debauchery was ahead only to not even touch a damn book) then it makes even less sense to bring books,leave them in her car, the leave the car with her friends while saying she would find her own way home despite having plans with her father to study the next day.
Hummingbird if the tiff was with Morgan over keys wouldn’t DC the designated driver be the only male Granny could have seen since we know that her friends at least had those keys when they left or else they couldn’t have driven her car back . So unless the friends are blatantly lying I doubt keys were the subject of the fight.
correction good should be could- duh..
Olivia you wrote in part:
May 29, 2012 at 7:04 pm
I think Morgan was on the bridge, simply because she was witnessed by Dad and Daughter. But her abduction did not occur on the bridge necessarily. Meaning she may not have been randomly spotted and picked up by a killer on the bridge. More likely, she was stalked by someone known or unknown to her in the vicinity of the bridge and the various parking lots.
I agree with this –
You wrote
I wish we had a time (even if approximate) when the curtsy duo say they saw her–does anyone recall ever reading a time for their sighting of her? I have found that suspicious from the beginning. BB players left the arena at 9:00, and drove away from the RV lot at about 9:15. Yet Morgan was seen hitching on the bridge by Dad and Daughter at 9:20 or earlier. Dad dropped off his daughter at 9:23–according to dorm security system. Morgan was off the bridge by 9:32, when Dad drove back over the bridge after stopping at a convenience store. WHEN did the Curtsy Duo observe her? The most likely time is AFTER 9:20. I have never read that the BB players observed Morgan walking toward the porta-potties as they left, which would have been the case had she made it to the bridge and taken a hitch-hiking stance by 9:20. I mean: how does Morgan reach the porta-potties, curtsy to the duo, presumably do her business, get her clothing straight, and walk to the bridge to assume a hitching pose all in the space of no more than 5 minutes? It just doesn’t add up.
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One and only mention of the curtsy duo:
snipped from Hook article
After the students departed, Morgan walked along the fence that separates the lot from the UVA track, according to Cappuzzo, who says her trail was picked up by the bloodhound, which stopped near a small line of portable toilets at the lot’s rear. Cappuzzo says two non-student witnesses driving down a road that leads from the baseball stadium to the RV lot reported seeing Morgan in that area– and recalled yet another unusual behavior for a young woman alone on a dark rainy night.
“She curtsied,” says Cappuzzo, but she didn’t attempt to flag them down.
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Time? AFTER the students left – The students are the 14 BBP that converged in the lots-
Bookkeeper saw the same group of 5 around a vehicle- she estimated time as 9:15 BBP could not have all left the lot by 9:15 as Bookkeeper mentioned specifically same group of 5- the 14 players hadnt “converged” yet- Morgan hadnt asked them for a ride yet- they hadnt declined yet and they did not all leave yet- IN Separate vehicles
From blinks earlier article;
According to Lt Radar, the basketball players, whom they were able to identify and speak with, left the area at 9:20PM in seperate vehicles, stating Morgan was still there when they departed.
So – Morgan locked out makes multiple attempts at reentry rebuffs all offers of help – tells ticket taker ticket torn- empties purse drops phone … talks to friends at 8:48… makes another attempt at reentry? then meets Kickee who states time of encounter was about 9 then Bkeeper sees her 1st time around 9:05 with BBP 4 -then again alone in lot with same group at 9:15 – then BBP must converge in lots…then Morgan must wierd them out… decline a ride- according to Rader 5 min later all BBP left at 9:20 said Morgan still in lot-
Then curtsy duo arrives sees Morgan near porta potties she curtsies- they exit- after not being flagged down -and Morgan is instantly transported to bridge in classic HH pose to be seen by the F/d at or BEFORE 9:20 in order to timestamp dormdoor of 9:23…
Then is gone LE is convinced she
“most likely ” accepted a ride willingly within a timeframe that is inconceivable….
How does that add up?
IDK
AJMO
Tango you wrote in Part:
One thing that stuck out to me the last time I watched the Disappeared episode: It’s not that the producers hid the identity of the BB players; they just didn’t mention their athletic affiliation haha; they actually tried to tie them to the sighting on the Lawn. BTW, I’ve always been confused as to whether that sighting was on the actual LAWN, or the West Lawn…and is there a difference?
– Tango can you give a quote – I ask because i do not remember it this way- my remembrance is that the show didnt even really go into that lot- and skipped showing it then showed morgan on the bridge- IIRC they didnt really say she was walking with anyone- did they say she asked for a ride?
TIA
BTW according to the hook article the sighting took place on the West lawn
see here:
One possible witness has been speaking publicly, in part, she says, because she doesn’t believe investigators have fully followed her lead.
“I know what I saw,” says Norma Parson, a newspaper delivery woman who believes she saw Morgan– or an incredible lookalike— coming out of a room on UVA’s West Lawn at 3:45am October 18, six hours after the last confirmed sighting on Copeley Bridge.
O/T Congrats to you & ofcourse the grads and to your daughter
AJMO
I leave you all with these thoughts by Cappuzzo snopped from the Hook article regarding the timeline-
Standing on the spot where Morgan’s remains were discovered, Cappuzzo disputes any notion that the case has gone cold and that the killer will go unpunished– and remain free to harm someone else.
“This case will be solved,” he promises, though he admits to having
“no timeline.”
No timeline means the Harrington parents and Morgan’s brother, Alex, will continue to suffer through the agony of their loss, compounded by the additional pain of not knowing what happened– and who’s responsible.
Peace
carry on guys
prayers for LE, for the Harringtons and the community and may there never be a “next girl”
AJMO
Hi all. Good to see the wheels turning here. It was too quiet there for a spell.
I need some help understanding the way the report of stolen purse, the tiff, the suspension of the report (whatever that means)might fit together. I’ve actually lie awake at night for hours trying to figure it out! Help please!
On the LE request for anyone who might have lent their phone to Morgan. Huh? I don’t get this at all. If someone she knew received a weird call, and they suspect it was Morgan that called, they’d have that number, right? The call had to have been made from a trac phone that they have no record of ownership for if they don’t know who called, right?
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When did this tiffmale leave Morgan since granny said he went back to her after the altercation? He appeared to be a known person to Morgan, as granny said. Maybe he was known to her from inside the arena? Was he trying to take her camera?
Everything after 2pm (when Morgan called her father) just kept getting worse for Morgan. That is why it is so hard to beieve for me. I have always thought maybe something happened that caused the other Morgan not to go as planned to the concert. Their plans changed and instead the other girl’s boyfriend went and drove Morgan’s car to Charlottesville. She had a tiff with her roomate, went to the BR, fell, cried, got locked out. Just boggles the mind. Nothing here makes sense. What an awful night. Shitty friends.
Mom3.0, I would be happy to mark the place in the video where I felt the producers tried to link the people she was walking with (who we know were basketball players) to the sighting by Norma Parsons (they segue using the phrase…”eerily similar” IIRC but at the moment I am having a hard time finding the full video online. I know I’ve watched it 3-4 times but now for some reason (the civil suit?) I’m unable to access it. I even tried purchasing it from amazon.com and it says there’s a problem…does anyone else have a link for it? Thanks!
Mom3.0
You hit the nail on the head and that’s exactly my problem with the story as framed by the police:
(Your words)
So – Morgan locked out makes multiple attempts at reentry rebuffs all offers of help – tells ticket taker ticket torn- empties purse drops phone … talks to friends at 8:48… makes another attempt at reentry? then meets Kickee who states time of encounter was about 9 then Bkeeper sees her 1st time around 9:05 with BBP 4 -then again alone in lot with same group at 9:15 – then BBP must converge in lots…then Morgan must wierd them out… decline a ride- according to Rader 5 min later all BBP left at 9:20 said Morgan still in lot-
Then curtsy duo arrives sees Morgan near porta potties she curtsies- they exit- after not being flagged down -and Morgan is instantly transported to bridge in classic HH pose to be seen by the F/d at or BEFORE 9:20 in order to timestamp dormdoor of 9:23…
Right on, Mom3.0: ~ MORGAN IS INSTANTLY TRANSPORTED TO THE BRIDGE ~
Okay, so what do we do with the pieces of this story? How do we rethink it? She went to the bridge right after the bbplayers left, she was spotted by Dad/Daughter, she quickly returned to the portapotties (perhaps searching for something she had dropped?), she then was seen by the duo and curtsied, she walked along the fence back toward Copeley Road, moved inthe direction of the arena and around 9:30 she was seen by Granny arguing with some guy in the parking lot. Now, why you are so certain (Blink) that this guy caused Morgan no harm, I don’t know, but I’ll take your word for it.
The police and UVa do not want attention or blame attached to UVa until absolutely necessary and all evidence points toward events occurring on UVa grounds and perhaps UVa personnel being implicated. JMO.
I guess, Mom3.0, I’m just suggesting in my above post that witness accounts of time are approximate so they could have been off by a few minutes here and there. Therefore, all BBplayers might have left around 9:15 (a little earlier than has been stated) and then Morgan would have had time to make her way to the bridge and be seen by Dad/Daughter at 9:20. Then she could have made her way back to the RV lot. Personally, having been in situations where I realize I have left something behind, I tend to turn around and RUN back to try to retrieve what I have dropped. Witnesses say Morgan did not appear to have a purse on the bridge…so maybe she was searching for her purse?
Phone battery out at 9:30 might have been when she had the altercation with the guy that granny witnessed. But how on earth did Morgan get into a tiff with this guy so quickly after the Dad/Daughter sighting? Perhaps this man followed her from the bridge or the RV lot–could he have been a member of the curtsy duo??
The FBI released an updated sketch and info today. Hopefully this will lead to some new tips or an arrest.
http://www.nbc29.com/story/18688184/new-sketch-of-harrington-murder-suspect-released
here’s a news flash for ya’ll, just saw it 6-3 @9:55 PM
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlinesNew_Sketch_Released_of_Morgan_Harringtons_Suspected_Killer_156918795.html
If url does not convert to link, maybe somebody can make a link. I dont seem to be able to do it.
New “Sketch” released:
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/New_Sketch_Released_of_Morgan_Harringtons_Suspected_Killer_156918795.html
I just looked at JPJ on Google Earth again and realized what a long walk it is from the entrance of JPJ to the Copley Rd. bridge. The parking lots are huge. Lannigan Field looks far to walk to.
Much better drawing of sketch. More professional. The eyebrows have been lifted out of the eye sockets, making him look human. Should be able to ID him now. I cannot find any poics of RH anymore. Facebook has changed.
This guy has a “familiar face”. It’s almost like they have a POI and just had the sketch artist do a rendering from a photo. That doesn’t seem likely, but more like wishful thinking. Hopefully, this is the beginning of the end (I think that I’ve said that before).
I don’t think that this Sketch looks like RH in speaking to John’s comment above. However, we know that this may all be from the 9/2005 Fairfax victim’s memory and the perp could look entirely different.
Exciting nonetheless. Blink, you have been uncharacteristically quiet since this has broken…throw us a bone.
h and h security has a new website now, sans pics. also, the image and the business journal advertisement in which rh looked a lot like the first sketch is gone.
snipped this, found it curious:
“Police want to keep the suspect’s picture in the public. They warn that the suspect has likely changed in appearance since the original 2005 sketch.”
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/New_Sketch_Released_of_Morgan_Harringtons_Suspected_Killer_156918795.html
now they want to keep the picture in the public? sure didn’t seem to be the case when the connection to sketch was first made. wtf?
at least they finally say the suspect may have changed his appearance. i guess at least the inconsistency in the case is still consistent.
Very different from the original sketch. And much more like someone I have seen around…but where exactly I do not know.