Former UVA Cop Charged With Rape: Sean Michael Horn Faces Bond Hearing Today
Charlottesville, VA- Sean Michael Horn, 42, current Albemarle County reserve deputy and former police officer for the University of Virginia as well as the Albemarle Sheriffs Office was arrested last evening for rape. The arrest follows an extensive investigation conducted by the prosecutors office.
While there has been no specifics released, and it is the policy of www.blinkoncrime not to identify alleged victims of sexual crimes, we have learned that a complaint of rape against Horn was received in the Fall of 2011.
The arrest follows what can only be described as a series of chaotic incidents and events affecting Albemarle county law enforcement officers since 2009 at a minimum.
Following the death of 18 year old Greene County resident Colby Eppard on New Years Day 2010 by police gunfire, 7 Albemarle county officers were either suspended and/or demoted. Caleb Marden, a decorated sharp-shooter who served in Iraq was fired. Denise Lunsord, prosecutor for Albemarle county and North Garden resident, cleared all officers of any wrongdoing from the incident.
Eppard allegedly stole a neighboring Greene County patrol car and traveled almost 60 miles to Albemarle county. Although off duty Greene Sgt Randall Snead was out of his jurisdiction, Snead was among the officers in pursuit of Eppard and participated in the ambush to stop the teen. Snead’s former mentor and Sherriff, Willie Morris, committed suicide on January 28th.
Although he was on desk assignment pending the investigation of Eppard’s death, Snead responded to the scene of Morris’s home where he was located and rushed to the hospital. Morris was removed from life sustaining efforts without ever regaining consciousness. A suicide note blamed his tinnitus condition.
In a recent election, Steve Smith won the Sheriff slot running against Snead, and has since met with controversy after releasing nearly all of his staff. An email criticizing Smith was received by several news outlets from a previously fired Albemarle County Lt. Scott Cox, then a Greene county deputy who has since been released. Horn has Sheriff Smith listed as a friend on his facebook profile. Cox was among the Albemarle County Officers who was demoted after 18 years of service in the scandal.
Albemarle county is also the home of The Anchorage Farm, where murdered Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington was recovered after exhaustive searches of the areas surrounding the JPJ arena, UVA campus and private LE searches failed to locate her. Harrington disappeared from a Metallica concert at the John Paul Jones Arena on October 17, 2009 after being refused re-entry by security. DNA evidence has linked the Harrington case to a suspect in an unsolved rape in Fairfax, VA in 2005. Former lead detective now retired, Lt. Rader, has only indicated that forensic link means that Morgan came into contact with that individual prior to leaving Charlottesville.
Efforts to confirm whether Sean Horn was working the event as a UVA officer that evening have not been returned.
Corrine Geller, public information officer for the Virginia State Police, whose agency leads the probe into Morgan’s homicide responded to our inquiry as to whether or not Horn was a target of their continuing investigation this morning:
“The investigation remains ongoing at this time. I’m not able to comment on who our agents have or have not looked into during the course of their investigation.”
Horn lists Virginia Tech among his educational credentials on his facebook account, where Harrington was a junior at the time of her disappearance. It is not known if the two were acquainted.
Horn is being held in the Albemarle Regional jail pending his bond hearing today.
Check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates.
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CentVA Native Away- I think the old sketch drawing was done by hand. I think the new one released is now a computerized drawing.
That is correct honda. They are really just updating the technology used to make the same sketch. The digital version is just more realistic. Both are limited by the accuracy of the victim and/or witness’s description.
There is no way they have a suspect in mind and told the sketch maker to make the sketch look like that person. That could cause all sorts of case problems.
If sketch is between 25 and 35 than how old is he in the newly released fbi image. should there be 2 images one from 2005 attack and an adjusted one for 2012, 7 years later? can they tell from dna how old this person is? if the curtsy duo were on a gator (i thought i read that) then they are probably uva employees or security of some sort. perhaps they were stalking morgan and said they would give her a ride (its about the time she disappeared and they were among the last to see her) of course just speculation. a uva or local would have some sort of access to anchorage farm.
FBI, eh?
Multimedia marketing campaign, eh?
I am curious- would like to know what Blink thinks of this new PR/marketing strategy.
And what the straw the broke the camels back was to initiate the new strategy.
Regardless. I am pleased and hopeful it works!!!
B
I think they have finally gotten some DNA results in from familial sources, and are turning the heat up….How is it working for them?
Seems to be working just fine!
I hadn’t seen this one before.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDky8mHFx_E&feature=related
I hope this link works to a very moving video where Gil Harrington and jane Vance discuss the paintint “the Hunted” that Jane painted in dear Morgans honor.
The Hunted, a conversation with Jane Lillian Vance and Gil Harrington 5-27-12
Dang it didn’t post …well it is on Youtube under Jane Vance the Hunted and it made me cry in a good way.
I didn’t know it is actually the disappeard episode…sorry to post, since everyone has seen it, including me. But I’m watching it again.
Hummingbird , will try to post it here, I was coming to post about it & also comment . A beautiful video & yes made me cry too ! One thing I’ve noticed on Interviews with Gil, the birds are always singing . If she’s outside , the birds are singing & at times nearly drowning her out. the day Dan & Gil went to the field at Anchorage Farm with VSP , the birds were not heard until Gil was being interviewed. Then the birds began squawking out loudly ,many of them sounding distressed & angry .
On this interview with Jane Lillian Vance & Gil , the birds are chirping sweetly in the background . Soothing & sweet .
I had posted about this & not knowing if they had edited in sound effects. Jane posted back today *Jane Lillian Vance* (quote below) “The sounds were natural, Frances. The conversation was filmed by Morgan’s talented, loyal classmate who sat next to her in Spring 2009, in my class. Ian had the wonderful idea of doing this conversation outside, where The Hunted canvas could touch the earth of Morgan’s backyard.”
“The Hunted” a conversation with Jane Lillian Vance and Gil Harrington 5-27-12
http://youtu.be/0MfEixmradg
Blink I do not know if this embeds the video , will post here if you would like this link better .
Yikes … It disappeared ! If you want it the embed code is at the you-tube video link above. Sorry !
Alexandra,
It actually is not a far walk at all around the JPJ complex, the athletic fields,and to the bridge. It does look that way on google earth though.
The press release and Sketch 2.0 are on the front page of abcnews.com. Glad to see that this is back in the national spotlight. I hope that it will jar the memory of folks in that part of Fairfax and in C’ville so that they can finger this guy.
First-time I too am curious about the stolen purse issue.Blink goes into a bit more detail in this article http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/11/19/morgan-harrington-case-separating-fact-from-fiction-part-i/
Who is RH?
Alabamamom, Thanks for posting the Youtube video. So touching.
the gold earrings are represented in the painting ,has granny been asked to identify the earrings?seems blink is way ahead of this ,the handlock guy has been identified? gil clasps the bracelet as she talks about it ,in a hand lock way and it makes a slapping sound,but it is amplified. i love how jane’s ring blink’s bright and shiny rays ,at the end, 13:02, right as finishes talking.
Thinking a lot of our “every-daughter” Morgan lately and praying for justice and answers.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/05/morgan-harrington-sketch_n_1570413.html
*I thought Morgan wasn’t on video anywhere? As I said weeks and month’s ago I knew LE was full of it! This leads me to believe that LE knows way more then they have let on. I understand why,but at the same time it kind of pisses me off bc who knows who could be next. Animals like this don’t stay dormant.
I believe that was a reporter error.
B
MOm3.0: “In the beginning I asked how MV & LC could have been sure they saw MH did they know her”? Who are LV and MC? Thanks
Leelee: On youtube there’s a vid where Rader asks if anyone lent their phone to a person matching Morgans description to come forward. Type Morgan Harrington into the search engine.It’s one of the first police interviews to the public,I believe..Rader is standing outside police head quarters at a mic…
Being turned away from several entrances…SMFH!!! Unreal rereading that makes me feel the desperation.
Curious that the new sketch shows a leaner face than the original sketch.
Typically men gain weight post 25-30. If the FBI was trying to “age” the unsub, as expected, they would add weight (Unless they suspect a drug abuser as the suspect, which is doubtful given the effort and execution of the disposal of Morgans’ remains).
I’m seeing this release as a statement of the FBI and VSP not having a frickin clue who they are looking for.
Time for fresh eyes and ears to look at this case from point A and re-access everything. There is evidence there that hasn’t been viewed in the proper light, because this case seems VERY solvable given the tiny bit of info that the public knows.
I am seeing this release as related to civil suit folks might need to address.
B
Thank you Alexandra! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDky8mHFx_E&feature=related
The “eerie similarity” is between the lawn sighting and the bookkeeper sighting of Morgan with 4 guys crossing in front of her heading away from the arena.
Sorry: 28:51 in the video
Also in the video Rader does not discount the West Lawn sighting, just that they have no confirmation of it…he says it may come into play later on.
Okay Tango I understand what you were saying-
The Disappeared show did speak of Morgan with the BBP as they did mention the 4 men walking with her not specifically BBP- and they did seem to try to tie the NP sighting with the BK sighting- Strange-
Strangely it was CS who did not elaborate on the fact that these 4 young men were BBP- also very troubling that CS chose to underscore the “wobbly” description but did not include the fact that these 4 BBP were laughing when Morgan shook her leg in a joking manner…..Kinda hard for a woman who is very wobbly in high heels to shake a leg high or low ..
This scene “reenactment” shows Morgan VERY wobbly in fact it shows her practically falling on the ground twice in front of BK car…
Another strange thing CS points out is that somehow the BK account describes a woman who is accompanying these young men the young woman is wearing black boots and “sortof” an outfit that matched what Morgan had been wearing… Yet, Interesting enough when CS introduces the tip by NP she seems to lend credence to this account and in no way interjects her thoughts on the questionable clothing (IT DOESNT match either)
These things bother me GREATLY why does everyone seem to lend credence to NP account while downplaying BK (or as you pointed out Tango) tying together BK sighting and NP sighting as Eerily similar???? Whats similar – the only thing similar is that MH if it was here was walking with a group of young men oh and the somewhat judgmental comments by NP and BK -(pp) NP sighting- why is she out here at 3:45 am- mimi skirt legs out with these guys -and the BK sighting which wasnt quoted in the show (pp) I was like what is she doing out here walking/getting ready to party when Metallica is coming on stage…
Strange
Why wasnt the BK sighting in the lots discussed why wasnt it told that Morgan was with the BBP and asked them for a ride- why wasnt curtsy duo account discussed or others?
What was shown was the Sketch- thanks FBI for updating it- good news- but sadly not in time for this show- or Morgans parents Fairfax trip
and can I just say that the newest sketch looks nothing like the other sketch not in the eyes not in the ears forehead nose or chin
I am glad they thought to include one without facial hair just as Blink did previously.
I do hope this Sketch helps to finally bring the tip needed.
and I am happy the FBI is helping out.
AJMO
Peace
Mom 3.0:
You said:
I am glad they thought to include one without facial hair just as Blink did previously.
I am going to hold my tongue on this until the release of further information via VSP due in the next few weeks.
B
Sorry for errors typos in previous post
bp3 you wrote and Blink responded;
bp3 says:
June 5, 2012 at 7:32 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/05/morgan-harrington-sketch_n_1570413.html
*I thought Morgan wasn’t on video anywhere? As I said weeks and month’s ago I knew LE was full of it! This leads me to believe that LE knows way more then they have let on. I understand why,but at the same time it kind of pisses me off bc who knows who could be next. Animals like this don’t stay dormant.
I believe that was a reporter error.
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Thanks for bringing over that article- I think Blink is right- this reporting seems to be in error
Show clip at 13:56 of the Disappeared show (pp) Cap- says (pp) no footage (from businesses) reveal what happened to Morgan and Rader says no footage outside of Morgan at arena- cant explain it- nothing relevant to Morgan BUT I still wonder- also were they able to corroborate anyones accounts from any of this footage? Father in 7-11 the friends at the arena the bk arriving late- kickee- etc?
ps Redly way back you wrote:
redly says:
June 1, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Where did her friends say she left the arena not overly inebriated? I haven’t seen much if anything they have said.
After I rewatched the Disappeared show I took note of this statement
19:23
Morgans friends admit that she was drinking alcohol but they say she was not intoxicated.
_ thanks to Alexandra for reposting the show.
What is so frustrating about the show and all accounts- is that each new account seems to call in to question other accounts -
bbp you asked who MV and LC are they are 2 people who posted their witness accounts on FB in the early days-
MV is possibly one of the bridge sighting witnesses she wrote (pp)-
I saw her at 930 too she was HH on the bridge on alderman she was alone
LC was possibly witness who observed the account just before kickee enters picture She posted (pp) she was late arriving to the arena and she saw a woman that matched Morgans description exiting the arena- she seemed very intoxicated- she dropped her purse and phone she had a spat with a female security guard.
AJMO
Olivia- Hi thanks for your response- good thoughts – an extra 5 minutes seem plausible BUT the problem with the timeline is not just the approximate times given- its the fact that all these things couldnt have happened in the time period given whether or not it was 9;15 when all BBP converged or not-
Morgan was said to have “interacted” with BBP in the lot for at least 10 minutes- then they all had to leave and be gone – all in separate vehicles GONE by the time curtsy duo comes along- dis they all teleport themselves out of the lots at the same exact moment?
LE has said repeatedly that BBP were gone when they left Morgan was Still in lots- then Morgan makes her way to area near Porta potties where curtsy duo observe her- she then curtsys- DOESNT flag them down and then she is next seen desperately HH-
BTW guys in the Disappeared show Morgans Momma still has a hard time believing Morgan was desperately HH- she HAD A CAR- -
WHy is she suddenly desperate when she was in no hurry to flag down curtsy duo she smiled and curtsied- She wasnt crying she wasnt running she seemed content to hang around the area ALL night- since being locked out-She stayed in the area-
according to Cap. in the disappeared show lots of people offered her help – she refused all offers of assistance
Does that seem desperate?
Rader answers Moms disbelief with this comment:
app 21: 30
We have a girl who has been exposed to some cold weather and drizzle we have a girl who *doesnt have a cell phone that works* We have a desperate individual
AJMO
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Yep.
B
I think you did just dandy, good for you Pep!
B
Thanks Mom3.0 for addressing redly’s question from June 1. I missed that – but you’re right the Disappeared episode is where I got that info.
15. Leelee says:
June 5, 2012 at 2:46 am
First-time I too am curious about the stolen purse issue.Blink goes into a bit more detail in this article http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/11/19/morgan-harrington-case-separating-fact-from-fiction-part-i/
Who is RH?
_____
Hi Leelee – thanks for pointing me back to that article. Reading the old comments hepls some, but I’m thick…I still not picking up what Blink is laying down. I need it spelled out for me, especially the interest in the suspension of the call. What theory does that ‘fit’. What is that that interests Ms. Blink?
As to RH – He is the owner of a local security firm. Discussed here:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/07/21/morgan-harrington-murder-a-security-check-on-security-why-did-it-fail/
Mom3.0 says:
June 6, 2012 at 2:30 am
LE has said repeatedly that BBP were gone when they left Morgan was Still in lots- then Morgan makes her way to area near Porta potties where curtsy duo observe her- she then curtsys- DOESNT flag them down and then she is next seen desperately HH-
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I don’t think they really have. It is a leap to assume she stood in the lot rooted to one spot until every car was gone. The port a potties are at the back of the lot. She easily could have made her way to them as one or more of the players left. My assumption is that the two people on the cart do not know precisely when they saw her (as they, like most people, would not know the exact time). LE’s working theory seems to be that it was before she was seen hitchhiking by the three-four independent witnesses but it presumably could have been after.
Thanks for the snip about what the friends reportedly said about her intoxication level (although does it come from the friends themselves or is it just unattributed hearsay — I don’t recall them being on the show but maybe wrong?). Regardless, I don’t believe it for a second.
PS — I think the use of the term desperate is just them throwing a bone to the harringtons to try to excuse her decision to hitchhike. LE seems to have bent over backwards not to imply the morgan did anything idiotic that night.
the subject of Morgan’s supposed hitch hiking keeps coming up. Obviously, its an important “fact.” I still do not know which way Morgan was hitch hiking, that is, where was she headed and how was she positioned on the bridge. If she was attempting to get a ride to Ivy rd (250 business) leading to etiher Ivy and Crozet or opposite direction – Cville, was she hitch hiking with the flow of traffic? that is did she have her thumb out on the westerly side of Copeley with her back to Ivy Rd.? (BTW, there is no sidewalk on that side of the road, just a concrete curb). On the other side, where Morgan’s memorial is, there is a sidewalk. If she was facing the flow of traffic on the side with the sidewalk then her back would be to JPJ itself. Would she be hitchiking to a place she could just as well walk to? Maybe she was disoriented, tired or her feet hurt or all of the above.
I really wish someone would help me/us out by answering some of these hitchiking questions. The definitive answer would seem to answer at least where or what direction she may have been headed. Maybe the dad and daughter have already answered this.
BTW, a bit ago I was in Cville. I had to go on 29 south to pick up a rental item down near Lynchburg. The rental co. goofed and did not have what I reserved in Cville. As I traveled south on 29 it struck me that the sides of 29 were pretty much forested UNTIL ANCHORAGE FARM. It caused me to ask, did the killer come to some open place like the farm area and decide to dump the body, or more probably, did the killer deliberately head to AF. It seems as though AF and the North Garden area are the nearest “apparent” civilization to Cville. I’m sure there are various side roads and farm roads in between, but not too many observable to the casual observer.
while on the subject of AF, is it a fact that AF itself was scheduled to be searched prior to Mr. Bass finding the body or at one time? I don’t know anymore where I seem to remember this “fact.” Anybody? If so, then what was the reason that law enforcement would decide to specifically set up an area search of AF? There must have been some reason or tip.
that is all
PPS — upon rereading my previous post, I would like to use the word “explain” instead of “excuse”, as the latter seems pejorative. I meant explain it to the harringtons as they did not believe she would hitchhike.
I am getting the impression that something big is happening behind the scenes that will be announced soon? Kenny J. has been posting messages on Morgans f/b page that make me very hopeful!
(Copied from Morgans f/b page)
“Kenny J
Deleted my post from last night. Just know that things are happening and the investigation is NOT cold. Keep watching for more developments like Corinne suggested. The heat is being turned up on this guy and anyone else that may know something about this crime. We will be in Charlottesville for most of the summer but will not be posting locations as to where we will be until after the fact.”
AND
“Kenny J
Please pay careful attention to the last paragraph of this message. The heat will be turned up VERY soon.
Afternoon,
…
In recent months, the Virginia State Police and the FBI have been collaborating on a multi-media marketing campaign related to the ongoing Morgan Harrington investigation. One component of that campaign is the new composite sketches of the suspect linked by DNA to both Morgan’s case and that of a 2005 Fairfax City sexual assault. (See attached)
State police investigators hope the composite sketch helps generate a renewed interest in the Morgan Harrington investigation among the public and, ultimately, leads to a tip that can bring resolution to both of these unsolved cases. Anyone with information is encouraged to call the Virginia State Police at (434) 352-3467 or the Jefferson Area Crime Stoppers at (434) 977-4000 or the Fairfax City Police at (703) 385-7959.
In the next week or so, the State Police and FBI will be unveiling this multi-media campaign in its entirety – as it is a complex project with multiple components. I will forward the press release with that announcement to you as soon as we launch it and are ready to go “live.”
thank you B! did you have to log in with a google acct? Turns out they’re only letting google acct holders access blogs!!!
nevermind!! I figured it out! Thanks B!!
Hello Redly-
I just want to say thanks for always being here to challenge us and to give us a different perspective.
You could ofcourse be right in all your thoughts-
You wrote in response:
redly says:
June 6, 2012 at 1:09 pm
LE has said repeatedly that BBP were gone when they left Morgan was Still in lots- then Morgan makes her way to area near Porta potties where curtsy duo observe her- she then curtsys- DOESNT flag them down and then she is next seen desperately HH-
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I don’t think they really have. It is a leap to assume she stood in the lot rooted to one spot until every car was gone.
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Redly, We sadly dont know what Morgan or the BBP did or said exactly how long it took to walk- talk drive ask deny -
You wrote:
The port a potties are at the back of the lot. She easily could have made her way to them as one or more of the players left.
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Yes I suppose so- but if so then BK would be wrong stating the same group of 5 was in the lot gathered around a vehicle and she pondered– “I thought, ‘That girl should have no business going off with those guys, walking into an empty parking lot when the concert is getting ready to start.”
redly we Know the BIB are BBP we know they exited the arena via the side door- and we know Morgan walked with them although NOT with them…we also know the other FOURTEEN players exited the building via the main entrance- and were not WITH the 4 with Morgan- We also know that BK made no mention of these players in the “empty” lot- seems to me Morgan with a WHOLE group of tall men gathered around a vehicle FOURTEEN of them would have warranted a mention by BK she certainly wouldnt have described the lot as empty JMO
According to the hook article these BBP converged on the grassy Knoll- BUT BK did not make mention of this convergence AT ALL
She was interviewed at least 5 times- she has estimated times and her accounts seem to back up the BBP accounts UNTIL the convergence -
She rightly witnessed Morgan as wobbly and with the 4bib and making her way to the empty Plot and sitting around a vehicle in the VERY LOT the BBP last “interacted” with Morgan- BUT she has her with only the SAME group of 4 She does not say Morgan was making her way thru the lots to the Porta potties She does not say anyone was getting in their vehicles to leave in a caravan of 14 vehicles she simply states:
snipped;
she says, she saw the same group of five gathered around a vehicle in the RV Lot, or Lannigan Field overflow parking lot and stated-“I figured, ‘They’re going to party before they go into JPJ,” says the woman, who estimates the RV Lot sighting as 9:15pm.
— So since BK was right about all other info- it would seem the other players hadnt made it to the lot yet- and Morgan hadnt scared them off with her strange behavior during the interaction and they hadnt yet declined her request for a ride- NOR could they have all jumped into their separate vehicles and simultaneously departed leaving Morgan in the Lots
Redly she HAD TO have been ON the Bridge before or BY 9:20 NO LATER- 9:23 this is the only set time besides the 8:48 phone call-
You wrote:
My assumption is that the two people on the cart do not know precisely when they saw her (as they, like most people, would not know the exact time). LE’s working theory seems to be that it was before she was seen hitchhiking by the three-four independent witnesses but it presumably could have been after.
== Agreed on time estimates- But Redly if it were after the 3 independent HH witnesses then that would mean Morgan didnt disappear HH on the bridge- between F/D 2 passes…
Youre welcome for the friends snippet redly – it is my understanding that they had made such comments in the past regarding yes to drinking no to intoxicated- also remember DG stated he saw no signs of drinking when he parked next to them.
I dont know whether or not she was toasted off her butt- I do think she was drinking- but who can say when and how it effected her- Did the friends witness her spiral or did she seem fine before the BRoom? Or was it the fall that had her spiral into wobblyness not thinkunking clearly erratic behaviors?
Since she was acting aggressive, erratic wobbly – incapacitated-etc- then why the Hell didnt JPJ security get her some medical attention- FTLOG she had an abrasion on her chin- – at least call the drunk tank SOMETHING
AJMO
Peace
oops my quote was attributed to you this is me:
LE has said repeatedly that BBP were gone when they left Morgan was Still in lots- then Morgan makes her way to area near Porta potties where curtsy duo observe her- she then curtsys- DOESNT flag them down and then she is next seen desperately HH-
ps redly
I do understand the point you were making IRT LE The Harringtons and the language of desperate-
Blink- Holding your tongue? Thats a first — kidding just kidding-
I await your thoughts and the newest release of info in the coming weeks from VSP-
hope it is good news, any hints?
AJMO
mike – Hi- I dont want u to think I dint read your post I did– all great thoughts and questions- Thank you for sharing your observations on AF entrance- interesting and most appreciated-
If no one else responds Ill be back later and i will try to answer the Questions
Tango youre welcome for the snip.
AJMO
Redly,
Respectfully, why do you suggest that LE has EVER implied that Morgan might have been by the porta-potties and witnessed by the curtsy duo AFTER hitch-hiking? Never. In fact, they have said that the dogs followed Morgan’s scent down the line of the fence to the porta-potties to the bridge and then to 250 (end of bridge) where it disappeared. And their “working theory” is that she was picked up hitching off the bridge. They have never addressed the problem (very big problem) that the duo could not have seen her right after the BBplayers left and PRIOR to her leaving the lot because: there was not enough time. So…IF she went back to the RV lot, she was not picked up hitch-hiking on the bridge. IF she went back to the RV lot and then was seen by the duo, the time frame starts to work better. I’ll bet the duo gave an estimated time that simply did not fit into the rest of LE’s scenario, so it was not made public. Peace, and JMO.
Oh, and Blink and others have of course discredited the scent dogs as evidence. I believe they used only one dog, and it was done 10 days after her disappearance, and the wrong methods were used.
BLINK: Now you’ve kinda contradicted yourself..I’m not disputing that the reporter maybe in error,which if they were is very shitty on their part. A few weeks back I asked about Rader comments on Morgan’s Disappeared episode on YOUTUBE that I’ve watched close to 20 times. Rader clearly fumbles his words around 19:25(this is off the top of my head). He’s talking about Morgan’s abrasion to her chin and he starts to say it Didn’t appear to be that bad,but catches himself and changes didn’t with shouldn’t.To me that means they may have seen her on vid and are keeping it quiet, your response to me was they have her on vid,but haven’t released it yet..lol, so I guess my question is do you think they have her on vid, or do they not have her on vid?
Nope I did not. I believe video of Morgan exists. I do not believe that report was privy to confirmation of that. Thus, the reporter error.
B
MOM 3.0: I’ve watched that 20 times on youtube in the last 7-8 months and know it inside and out.Go to the 19min mark and listen to Rader fumble his words talking about Morgan’s abrasion on her chin. No way,No how is he basing her abrasion on witness accounts.I’ve posted it before the company a friend works for did all the security cams etc.. here at the Consol Energy Center. JPJ was built in the last ten yrs, No? Unless somebody decided to play with the connection or erase footage etc.. it is impossible that you cannot pick her up outside the entrances or the tix office…It’s IMPOSSIBLE
How much of this “updated Sketch”(which I find funny bc I asked B a month or so ago how come they haven’t updated it after 7yr,if LE is sold on it) has to do with the assault in Arlington a few weeks ago? Seems that suspect and the suspect in 05 wore the same attire. Now within a few weeks of the Arlington assault the public gets an updated Sketch, and FB warnings that heat is being turned up. Hopefully this dude has a pea for a brain and doesn’t read the papers or watch the news. My guess is they have a very good idea who he is NOW…
Never mind B I found your response to my first question…
When Mr. Bass gave his interview after discovering Morgans body he states that “At first he thought it was a deer,and then he got closer and realized it was a human skull.Now does this mean partial?Or was her entire head skeleton?During the Disappeared episode around the 19:25 mark(on youtube)Rader fumbles his words and I’m not sure if he was talking to fast or if there was a minor hiccup.He says “We don’t know if she was slipped a drug.We know she probably fell.based on the abrasion it didnt app(catches himself) it wouldn’t have appear to be a serious head wound”…Now somebody make sense of that for me,please?That’s one reason why I say bs to Morgan not being on video.If there is no skin on her face,how do they know the size of the abrasion?Or are they clearly going off of witnesses saying how big the cut was?
I can make sense of it, they are withholding video of what they think might be her image with an abrasion to her chin.
B
Frist-time thanks for the link. I am just as confused as you are regarding the link between the stolen purse and Morgan potentially borrowing a cell phone. I did have a theory but it no longer applies now that that I know the time of theft was around 5:30.
In regards to Rader inquiring about Morgan borrowing a cell phone I wonder if the police think Morgan’s battery was accidentally removed from the phone as opposed to purposefully removed by her attacker. She may have dropped her phone at some point and simply didn’t realize the battery fell out. It makes no sense for her to be ambushed by someone who is not only able to quickly subdue her without causing a scene but also manages to get her phone,remove the battery the escape with Morgan in tow. It also makes no sense for a killer to snatch someone,take the phone from the battery then return to toss the items later unless they were totally sure no one would witness them tossing the bag to the ground. Yes the shirt may have been planted by the killer but that is less risky than ambushing a girl, raping her, killing her in a fashion that leaves her bones shattered,going to a remote location,dumping her body, and not only removing her shirt but saving it,removing the cell phone battery and then planting those items in a very public location all within several hours while managing to raise no real suspicion. The issue may seem trivial but there is a big difference between an attacker who ambushes you on the spot causing you to drop your belongings and one who is savvy enough to attack you and make sure you are virtually untraceable by removing your phones battery and dumping the rest of your belongings. The sudden ambush theory also seems to fit Sketch’s M.O. From the previous attack although he could have simply became more savvy over the years when it comes to covering his tracks.
The time of the theft was a variable, iirc, like between 5:30 and 6:30, I am not in a position to research it at the moment, but it would reflect the time they arrived. That would make sense to me as the “contents”. It would also make sense to me if she were trying to gain entry to the car.
B
48. Leelee says:
June 7, 2012 at 5:55 am
The time of the theft was a variable, iirc, like between 5:30 and 6:30, I am not in a position to research it at the moment, but it would reflect the time they arrived. That would make sense to me as the “contents”. It would also make sense to me if she were trying to gain entry to the car.
B
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OK – let me see if I understand. Once Morgan is outside, she is wetting wet in the rain, can’t get back in to JPJ. She makes the report of the stolen purse so she can maybe get LE to open her car. Do the police send seecurity to help with this, or is it handled by UVA police? Someone may have come to help her, and then susended the report once they get to her? It would seem that she would have given her name with the report, right? hmmmmm.
Olivia — I don’t think LE has implied that. I know, however, that they did not give an exact time when the cart duo saw her. That lets me say fairly that it could have been before or after the hitchiking sightings (at least the dad/daughter one — it is always possible the other two independent witnesses could have seen her after she returned to the bridge to hitchhike again after peeing). We don’t know and I don’t think LE knows for sure either. LE’s working theory seems to be that it was before. I am very confident that the cart duo saw her, as did dad/daughter and the other hitchhiking witnesses though.
Mom — you and I just disagree over how much emphasis to put on certain words and one piece of testimony. You seem to be relying a lot on the exactness of the bookkeeper hook statement and on your reading of what that statement meant. That the players were described as converging in a lot (which they obviously did as their cars were there) does not, in my mind mean that the bookkeeper necessarily would have seen them all in a big group surrounding morgan during her drive by at approximately 9:15 (however long that took). She easily could have been standing near the 4-5 she walked with while they were getting into a car or cars, perhaps then asking for a ride to the nearest party, while the others were getting into their own cars or leaving. The snippet in the hook said nothing about other cars or people not interacting with morgan when she drove by. I am not going to rely on that hook report of what the bookkeeper told them to decide that there were only 4-5 people in the entire parking lot at that exact time. She then could have made her way back to the port-a-potties at 9:17 or so while they all drove off. It is tight time wise (as everything in life is by definition when you look back after the fact) but there is time for it to happen unless you are trying hard to make it not work.
As an aside, it is obvious the bookkeeper was wrong about at least one thing as the group was not gathering in the lot to party before going into jpj. She made that assumption, and it is a fair one for someone who is going to a concert to make, but it was simply wrong and it likely colored her interpretation of what she saw. We process information with certain experience driven assumptions in mind and sometime adjust what we see to fit those assumptions. That is one reason why police look for multiple witnesses to piece together what really happened.
Finally, my reading behind the lines of what Dan G said is that he thought morgan was acting messed up in his brief interaction with her after parking next to the car — more than the others in the group. He did not see them actually drinking and of course had not been with them in the multiple hours leading up to them arriving at the parking lot. But that is just me interpreting.