Isabel Celis Breaking News: Child Services Removes Sons From Sergio Celis Care and Placed With Mother
In the latest development in the April 21st disappearance of missing Tucson child Isabel Celis, her father Sergio has been stripped of his physical custodial rights of her brothers.
There has been no confirmation from Tucson Police about the children’s removal and placement, and CPS has only confirmed the boys have been placed with one parent.
Sources inside the investigation have confirmed to www.blinkoncrime.com that evidence gleaned in the investigation has warranted alternative placement of the couples oldest children in the wake of the disappearance of their daughter, Isabel.
The boys, whose names have been reported previously elsewhere but are being intentionally withheld by www.blinkoncrime.com have been placed together, not separately.
Check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for details.
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@Kris says…Regarding die-hard baseball parents…On the other hand, I’ve seen some crazy over the top parents in little leagues kid’s baseball act in ways I would have never dreamed possible. Can’t imagine someone losing it enough to harm their child over not wanting to wake up for a game, but have seen straight up abuse first hand over a kid not performing or appearing like they were trying hard enough during a game.
Prayers for Isa.
On the parents at games note- this is a sore spot for me in particular. Blinkett had a game last week where parents were actually BULLYING PLAYERS. I mean, during the game, calling individual HS players names and calling them negative and inappropriate names. This was a private catholic school who lost.
I have never seen anything like it in 12 years of kids sports. There is merit to wacky sports parents.
B
Dear Glitter sparkle,
Thank you so much for coming here to set the record straight.
You have answered many questions- I am glad to know Isa had a good time with her friends @ family.
You seem to have a very closed knitted caring community within the LL “family”
I cant imagine the worry and sadness you must all be feeling.
I am so sorry that Isabel is missing
I hope Isa will be home safe very soon
My thoughts and prayers for Isa, for her family and for the community
Peace Mom3
Sue says:
May 20, 2012 at 10:31 pm
http://tucsoncitizen.com/pats-bits-and-bytes/?p=128
Scroll down to the bottom of the transcript @ Rebecca Celis. I’m sure most of the readers have seen this document, but the way I read it, BC was pulled over and the officer felt she was driving under the influence with an open container in the car, with one of her children in the car with her. It is indicated that the charges were dismissed, but there is at least evidence that the officer felt she should make a court appearance due to the ‘possibility’ that she was drinking and driving. Usually police don’t push the issue if they don’t feel there is a problem. It shows a past problem with alcohol even though she wasn’t convicted of a crime. I am merely pointing out, and it is my own opinion, that alcohol and substance abuse is a factor in this case
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Hi Sue, a thought provoking post, but, with all due respect, we will have to agree to disagree on this one. I agree that a DUI charge is serious, but BC’s was dismissed by the judge, so it really matter what the LEO “thought”. It sounds harsh but it is true. The officer made his/her report after putting BC through a battery of tests which in most jurisdictions include blowing into a breathalizer or having her blood drawn to assess her BAC. The officer then takes this evidence to the prosecutor. The prosecutor first looks at the evidence, then tries the case OR moves for dismissal due to lack of evidence, faulty collection of evidence, chain of custody issues, the LEO not showing up to be a witness, etc. The judge looking at all the evidence before him/her, in BC’s case, dimissed the charge.
One DUI does not an alcoholic make. But, getting in a car to drive after having a drink is not the wisest thing to do. But, again, her charge was dismissed. So, I don’t follow how you can make the rather large leap to BC having an alcohol problem and thinking this “problem” contributed in some way to Isa’s abduction.
Contrary to what many people see on Nurse Jackie, when a hospital worker has reasonable suspicion that a nurse or doctor is drinking (or showing up with the smell of alcohol on his/her breath, or using drugs) even before work, that professional is sent for drug testing, or, if that person refuses, s/he can be fired, or put on leave to get treatment.
Another thing that concerned me is that you make yet another leap to “substance abuse” in addition to your belief that she is abusing alcohol.
Do you think that CPS with possible court involvement in a very high profile case would tranfer custody of both sons to her if they believed she had an ongoing substance abuse/alcohol problem? I don’t think so.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, as we all are, but thought I weigh in with a different perspective. JMHO.
Glitter sparkle please excuse my typos/errors
I hope you were able to decipher my mess- I should have proofread before submitting-
Thanks again
@Blink – we are serious travel ball people, as in super competitive baseball parents whose lives revolve around baseball and all our vacations for the last few years are extended and centered around baseball all over the country.
Our youngest son competed nationally last year at a huge televised venue and so, I can honestly say, we’ve seen it all.
For the record, no doubt we both, my husband and I, likely made our own minor indescretions as “bad or overzealous parents” at 7 & 8 year old baseball, as most do. Long story short though…we’ve been doing this a long time and learned the ropes early on.
However, being witness to numerous grave — seriously over the top parents in action — on more than a few occasions, it’s enough to cause you to question your own actions/reactions.
I’ve seen it all…there is a great sweet loving big boy on our team this year, he is physcially the most athletic on our team, but his home life is so hard, both mentally and physically, he is only mediocre in results. We all went to dinner after the games last night and his parents threatened him (with abuse) no less than 6 times during the meal. What do you do? I haven’t witnessed first hand anything other than threats…but, come on, it’s just a game. This is supposed to be FUN and it’s supposed to be about the kids. MOO.
Unfortunately, they are not the only ones…however, I’ve noticed this in 9 yrs old and above often, but never as young as Isa.
Prayers for Isa and her brothers.
Blink- I hoped you covered the Blinkett’s ears. We had that situation back in the day and we assigned a parent monitor from both teams at the start of each game- and parents were fined- $10- per inappropriate outburst. It worked like a charm- had the effect of developing some insight in these nutscases and after a few games we were able to stop the monitoring system.
GraceintheHills: You write: “Another thing that concerned me is that you make yet another leap to “substance abuse” in addition to your belief that she is abusing alcohol.” I was not referring to BC in regards to the substance abuse, but rather SC. I guess I wasn’t clear on that in my posts but alcohol is substance abuse too. I will have to say however, that I don’t believe it is a stretch to consider that there is a ‘hint’ of a problem in being pulled over for an alleged DUI at one time. No matter the outcome of her charges, she can’t be charged if alcohol wasn’t a factor in the case. I have to tell you too, that I worked very closely with the medical group that is contracted by the prison system. There was a nurse who drank on the job for over a year before she was caught and sent for treatment. When she finished treatment, she came back to work, but resigned later for unknown reasons.
I agree that we’ll all have to agree to disagree on this point of all around substance abuse (alcohol is substance abuse too) with the parents of Isa, but I have to say that if this case is ever prosecuted, or if Isa is ever found, substance abuse and/or alcohol abuse with the parents may never be given importance in Isa’s disappearance. I feel the same way in the case of Baby Lisa Irwin. Her mother allegedly drank heavily the night Baby Lisa ‘disappeared’ and now the parents have clammed up and have a high-priced attorney representing them. We may never know what happened that night with Baby Lisa.
As with so many high-profile child disappearance cases, drugs and/or alcohol IS a contributing factor. To list a few: Haleigh Cummings, Baby Lisa Irwin, Ayla Reynolds, Caylee Anthony etc. etc. What I’m saying, and in my opinion, I don’t feel it’s a stretch to say that some form of addiction or substance/alcohol abuse was a factor in Isa’s disappearance. Will we ever know? I don’t see the parents admitting to anything. It’s all JMO from a personal viewpoint as well as a professional one.
pueblodweller says:
May 20, 2012 at 1:48 am
PD HI thanks for your response and for sharing your observations of the LL Park.
It is surreal How life goes on. I remember how dumbfounded I was as a teen facing the death of my beloved Grandma- I felt like the world had ended yet it did not. I was struggling to come to terms with life without her- and the world had already seemed to move on… At the time I resented it, now I realize it is how it should be…
wpg says:
May 20, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Thanks for sharing that info-
Frankly I am a bit perturbed about the media releasing the name of the school and the fact that all 3 attend- I hope the school has safety measures in place, a trip to their website supplies anyone who wants it with too much info.. even pickup and drop of sites -
I cant help but wonder how many other schools supply too much info over the web. I mean if an estranged parent or worse a pedo wanted to stalk a child my goodness- ya know?
If I were a parent at that school I would want safety measures to be addressed regardless of the specifics of Isas case.
Ode says:
May 20, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Hello, yes I understand your reasoning and in truth, my natural tendency is to view the mom as the hands-on care-giver – but we dont know what the dynamics were in the celis household. They could have shared duties, the kids could have prefered one parents style over the other- the water heater is a good point- but many are large capacity and showers can be quite brief and there were 2 bathrooms in the home so I dont think it would be that time consuming JMO
Monkeybunny says:
May 20, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Dear Monkey bunny thank you for your kindness I look forward to more of your thoughts as well as everyoneelses as I agree many heads are better than one.
Peace AJMO
TGF, you wrote in part:
Thanks for your research regarding truancy in Arizona. The laws probably reflect the culture of the native indians who did not believe in going to school so the state made it mandatory.
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No problem TGF-
Just so you know the laws DO NOT reflect the culture of the Native Americans. Research on truancy in Arizona began in the early 1990s.
“Pima County had the highest truancy rate in the state during this time period; in fact, truants from this county made up half of all truants in the state. Because of the extent of the problem, Pima County began a program called ACT Now (Abolish Chronic Truancy) which aimed to strictly enforce state and district truancy laws and offer a diversion program to address the root causes of truancy”
FYI
Snipped:
Although for over 200 centuries, Tucson was home solely to Native Americans, according to the 2000 census-
the racial/ethnic breakdown of Metro Tucson (Pima County) was:
* 61.48% White, Non-Hispanic, alone
* 29.34% Hispanic (can be any race)
* 2.85% Black/African American, alone
* 2.59% Native American, alone
* 1.97% Asian, alone
* 0.11% Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander, alone
* 0.12% Other, alone (self-identified)
* 1.55% Two or more races
In 2000, Tucson was the 8th largest city in number of Native Americans. In 1990, the metro area was 23rd largest in number of Hispanics.
Tucson is a very diverse community and home to several hundred ancestry groups. Leading ancestry groups according to Census 2000 include: Mexican (24.4%); German (16.2%); Irish (10.6%); English (10.3%); other Latino groups (4.5); Italian (4.4%); American (4.1%); and French (3.1%).
http://www.pagnet.org/RegionalData/Population/tabid/104/Default.aspx
TGF,
You wrote:
…native indians who did not believe in going to school…
There were special schools for the Indians in Arizona. In Phoenix, for example, a main West to East street is named Indian School Road.
Forty years ago this was a little two lane street that was about four miles long. Today it is four lanes and many miles long.
— perhaps there was a reason they didnt “believe” in going to school…
Native Americans did have “special” schools these schools often took children away from their families and their cultures. They forced them to leave their “heathen” ways behind.
These schools were sorely lacking in education. Many children were even abused and died in these schools.
The punishment for not attending was far worse than a visit from the truancy officer or from CPS.
You wrote:
Sometimes changes are IMO a backward step in our culture.
Dear TGF sometimes changes are forced upon us and many cultures have fell by the wayside inorder to set up “our culture”-
You wrote:
Mom3.0
Forgot to include the response to your kindergarten comment.
When I was a child ,kindergarten was a private school paid for by the parents. Few except the wealthy could afford it. By the time my children arrived, it was mandatory and was a part of the public school system.
TGF, this is not the case in every state, and my kdg comment was only an example to as you wrote:
What I was trying to point out -was exactly how things have changed in fifty years.
I couldve easily picked something better to illustrate my point such as domestic violence laws or the amber alert or equal rights laws etc
You wrote:
The working moms began during the second world war. Many with children who were grown began to take jobs to help the war effort. Some were forced to take jobs because of the loss of their partner as a war casuality. Employers, other than retail,banks,telephone and the medical profession found that women could do valuable work.
By the 1950′s there were many working moms who entered the work force after the last child was in school. This gradually changed to include working moms with children less than a year old. This has totally changed our culture.
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TGF although I always value your knowledge based history lessons I must point out that you missed my point-
Many things from back in the day were different and not all of them are sadly missed. JFTR TGF, many of those women were forced to leave those jobs once the war was over, and women STILL are not being paid equally for the same work
And that “culture” you seem to long for- that family dynamic, well not all – remember it so fondly -often times because a mans home was his castle- he commanded it with an iron fist and thats just the way it was
Thank you TGF for sharing your thoughts with me and I hope I gave you a different perspective.
AJMO
Peace
Grace in the hills said: “I know I could be wrong, but I suspect the male voices the female neighbor heard at 6:28 that morning, were Isa’s male relatives looking for her. I think Becky had probably already left for work by that time. If her shift started at 7:00 AM she would likely be at the hospital on her unit at 6:45 AM for change of shift report.”———————I just have a question. On the 911 call BC tells the operator that she left at 7 am. So why are we assuming that her shift started at 7 or that she left the home before 7? I am so confused. Has her start time ever been verified yet? I heard early on that she started at 7:30. BC says she left at 7. Yet a lot of people are saying she was out of the house much earlier.
Hi, Mom3.0,
I cautiously limited my response to ATG by not identifying the school or any media references. It was in reply to ATG wondering about other caregivers besides the parents, and according to the parents there were.
Given the school hours and both parents working, it makes sense that responsible and mature assistance would be needed. Since there has been disclosure and discussion pertaining to the month of December, the school Winter Break would have required additional hours of parental responsibility and planned care. Unless one or both of the parents were able to take some time off, I expect the caregiver hours were increased accordingly.
Nice to see you back, Mom3.0.
GraceintheHills says:
May 20, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Hello Grace- Congrats on your setpsons marriage. I am glad you were able to attend and had a wonderful time.
I agree A piece of this puzzle is clearly missing IRT the timeline.
Perhaps the times are off because Dad did not really take note of a specific time?
If the neighbor is correct on her 6:28 overheard male convo- then it would definitely seem that either she overheard the abduction OR she heard the family discovering Isa gone.
She stated they were outside- and the dogs barks were coming from outside also- but she didnt look so is there a chance the voices and the barks sounded like they were from outside because of the open window?
If mom had to leave early as you state- perhaps the abductors knew her schedule and knew exactly when to make their move…LE has said they can not confirm or deny if the window was the point of entry or exit…So I am not sure what to think.
What I want to know is exactly when the camera became inoperable and who knew this?
The neighbor said no one uses the breezeway…well perhaps the abductors knew this bit of info too- and also the LL schedule seemed to be well known too- BB fri nights…I wonder if someone was watching and quickly figured out the Celis schedule.
IDK
You asked:
By the way, does anyone know if the boys are back in school? Didn’t SC and BC keep them out quite a while?
I know they are back to playing in LL and I know the parents were talking about getting them back on track at school- I am not sure though.
I share your worry Grace with each passing day it is harder to hold out hope.
My prayers for Isa for her family and her community.
AJMO
Peace
“Police are set to update the case today.”
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/status-of-isabel-s-disappearance/article_2a33e707-766d-5550-89e4-efe8afa3f1c9.html
**This was part of a small story on the Isabel Celis case in today’s AZ Daily Star. I cannot find a reference to an “update” or news conference from any other media outlets…….
**I will post if I end up seeing a press conference scheduled for today–maybe more details will show up in later morning reports.
Police update to the public at 2 PM MST.
Thanks, Pueblo, for being on the ground in the Celis case. The link reporting today’s police update is so poorly written–casual and unprofessional. ugh. I’m glad you’ll be on the lookout.
Mom 3.0–once again, a masterful job of analysis. Thank you for speaking my words to ATG. I know you could have used other examples such as domestic violence, contraception, abortion, sexual abuse and more. (etc.
Your population stats very valuable, as well. Good job!
Sue, you know I’m always in your corner, but I think it is best to look at the DUI charge as one day, one moment of irresponsibility.
Rebecca Celis chose to drive with an open container and a child in her car. That is illegal as well as horribly neglectful, in my simple opininon. It does seem to be a flippant disregard for the law and for safety. This may well have been her modus operandi, yet we have no evidence to convict her.
I am surprised the charge was dismissed, at least the open container and child in car aspects. Her bac may have been too low to convict.
Was she lucky or would a conviction have helped her come down to earth?
SouthernMom and Blink
I agree completely about baseball moms and dads. Fifty years ago I was an umpire for a little league. Parents sometimes would sit in the stands and say ugly things to all the oposing players and the umpires. We finally had to call on the police to remove those who were using verbal threats to harm the players,coaches and umpires.
It appears that some things haven’t changed very much.
I was shocked because the school spent a significant amount of time last year on anti-bullying campaigns; I recall Blinkette and her lab partner had to make up words to a song reflecting same and preform it in class. Off my soapbox on the issue, but these kids are busting hump out there, and should not be subjected to any adults lack of social skills.
When Blinkette was fouled 3 times in a row in a game, and only the 4th was called, which resulted in her being knocked off her feet for the 4th time, I did not utter a syllable. ( out loud, in my head, I was swinging that girl by the hair around the parking lot if she played dirty one more time, she was bigger than me, would have been a fair fight, lol) We have taught her if she is going to play a highly physical game, she can expect the same to be played against her, and she accepts that- Therefore, so do we.
I almost asked Mr. Bully if it was ok if I can to his job tomorrow and start calling him names in front of his peers while he was performing a task to the best of his ability. Then I just decided I would yell everytime he opened his yap so nobody could hear him.
Nobody ever wants to see their child fight and lose. Not about us. It is reality, and it shapes them into adulthood and as parents we need to guide them, but support them through it.
B
Today she gave a power point on anti-obesity in America
Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think an open container necessarily always means someone is drinking and driving. Once I was going to take a half bottle of wine (that had been re-corked) over to a friends house and was told it was a bad idea….that if I got pulled over, I could be charged with having an open container. Also if someone else in the car has an open container, the driver can be charged, right?
correct.
B
I’m glad that Mark Fuhrman brought up Sergio Celis’ word choice on the 911 call. Several of his words have caused us to question his transparency or, more apt, his synthetic integrity.
What has bothered me about Sergio Celis is his distance from the situation. It is almost as if he is the narrator of a story. His word “abducted” seems unnatural and rehearsed. Yet, in a state where kidnappings occur at a higher rate than other states, he may have been influenced by media reports.
In a 2009 azcentral artical, LE is noted for breaking up 20 kidnapping cells:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/02/15/20090215kidnappings0215.html
Arizona does appear to have a high crime rate according to FBI-compiled data: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl69.xls (Check out Florida, though; omg.)
Ergo, the use of “abducted” is still hinky in my observation.
Sergio say he “told her to get her butt home” was another red word- flag, as has been mentioned here a number of times. I think I would be saying, “come home NOW; just hurry and come home!”
A note of resentment resides in that phrase, as if she was off shopping or having coffee with friends. It said to me, (para) “See what happens when you’re gone all the time? Why do you have to leave for work so early and come home so late? You always leave me with all the work. You know I have a job and coach and have to rehearse, as well as cook, clean, care for the kids and dogs. You’ve got it easy, Becky, and you don’t appreciate it.”
Another odd word choice occurred when he allegedly spoke to a Good Morning America producer who asked him what it was like to have to watch the candlelight walk from a distance. His odd reply was that it was “unspeakable.”
We hear of “unspeakable acts, unspeakable violence, unspeakable horror” but the word can refer to ‘joy’ or ‘beauty’ or any other ethereal impression we lack words (at that moment) to express, although it is most commonly used in the negative.
Miriam-Webster dictionary has a feature to explain definitions to English-language learners and a separate one for kids. Giving Sergio benefit of the doubt, I thought perhaps it was his way of expressing profound pain at being left out of the walk and contact with his family. The English learners version only defines the word as ‘very bad, evil’ and the childrens’ version as ‘extremely bad.’
Word choice in response to the 911 operator asking if Isabel ever tried sneaking out of her window was very clear, almost as if he was shocked to be asked that as he answers, “oh, no.”
Seconds later, he says that “my wife just got home and she’s kinda hysterical and freaking out, so…” he needs to attend to her and help her calm down, as it reads on paper. His tone of voice in the call, however, sounds a little sarcastic, if I’m not too sensitive to the verbal abuse.
It’s at this point that I decide to reserve judgment of him based on his word choices and seemingly false affect.
More than anything, I think Sergio is a man uncertain of his life and appears to be on the outside, looking in. A narrator of the tale, but not the main character.
Damn Word Girl- that is a post if I ever saw one. As you already know, I agree.
B
Kris,
In many states you can travel with that opened, corked bottle of wine if it is locked in your trunk, not accessible by anyone in the car.
There are like 50 jokes that could tag the end of that post, all of which would be in my extremely poor taste so I will refrain, been a long day.
I look forward to the update in about 10 minutes.
B
Hee. Pretty long one, Blink. I would like to hear Grace or other professional counselors thoughts on Sergio.
http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#fcanchor
Seems to be the best local coverage and will have press conference live.
Thank you pueblodweller, much appreciated.
B
TPD Questionaire:
fb.me/1EGbxaaYr
that link did not work for me tpd.
B
My fault. I copied and pasted the questionnaire from that I found from today’s press conference. Courtesy of Kristi Teddsco at KVOA
QUESTION ON TPD’s NEW ISABEL CELIS QUESTIONNAIRE
by Kristi Tedesco KVOA on Monday, May 21, 2012 at 2:42pm ·
1. Did you observe anything that struck you as unusual or out of the ordinary at anytime prior to the incident or sincethe incident?2. Were there any delivery people or solicitors in your area two weeks prior to this incident or since the incident?3. Has there been any construction in your area prior to or since the incident?4. Were there any yard sales, parties or other large gatherings prior to the incident?5. Did you notice any unusual vehicles or vehicles that you did not recognize in your area prior to the incident?6. Do you have surveillance cameras in use at your home?7. Do you know if any of your neighbors have surveillance cameras in use?
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Blink
I am sorry to learn of the unsportsman conduct of the player on the other team regarding Blinkette. I am guessing that it was a scoccer game and not baseball.
It is difficult to sit and watch a player contineously foul and never be called or only one out of four. There is a way to put a stop to that and you can do it by using your video camera. Just keep the camera focused on your Blinkette and the area around her.
Bad sportsmanship is a result of a coach not teaching his/her players to follow the rules and then making certain that they do. A video shown to the umpire and the oposing coach by your girls coach may make the umpire and the oposing coach realize that their player deserves some discipline and maybe some bench time.
Good for Blinkette on choosing her subject for the presentation. This is a very serious concern for the present and future health of young people. People who live a life style that produces the overweight children we see today, are IMO creating major problems. Many who are grossly overweight will have a difficult time in securing opportunities as young men and women in society.
Thank You ATG, in this case, the unsportsmanlike conduct was from a parent.
I worded that poorly, I was trying to articulate that kids are so advanced today on social issues, and I see parents and adults lagging behind in some instances. I do agree we are supposed to learn from our children, and I do every single day it seems. Sorry for the o/t everyone.
B
pueblo, I didn’t see the update at your link and have surfed the net trying to find one. Do you have it, perchance? i’m sure they’ll eventually put it up, but…
http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#fcanchor
“I look forward to the update in about 10 minutes.”
B
And now, Blink?
I don’t know what to make of that last scheduled presser.
Blink, you thoughts would be appreciated.
Thank you.
With much respect to our TPD and the hardworking agents investigating or assissting this case, I feat that press conf leads me to believe they have no clue what happened to Isa, or they have a defacto suspect who is a RSO.
I have maintained my concern about the neighbor, and that if this is a stranger abduction, it is of the worst kind.
That said, my comment from SM:
They are not having post 4th interviews with sex offenders and just now prioritizing them by tier if they have a suspect.
That was done in the first days of this investigation, heck there is a tier 3 predator 3 doors down the street.
It should be noted that although it is not publically available as to their probation and parole stipulations, some RSO’s are monitored electronically and others have a built in commitment that they must take a LDT if asked, among other things.
So with this information, from a parental perspective, if LE is focusing on re-interviewing RSO’s- if I am Becky or Sergio, I am going freaking crazy at this information, right? Let’s see what happens.
I keep saying the same thing. this is going to turn out a textbook case when all the facts are in and Isa is found.
I do NOT envy LE their jobs, no way.
To say they would no longer schedule press conferences
sorry, hit submit instead of preview ( chimp move, I know).
Meant to finish by saying that if LE is done scheduling conferences, they are preparing or appearing before a grand jury or they expect an arrest. I go with door number one. Nobody asked where they are in terms of comparing the case of the young girl molested in tanque verde.
OR
They are at square one and are savvy enough to protect their interests in that regard. It will not bother me if that is the case and they got here investigatively. That is proper. Let’s see if the seal holds on the warrants for the applied extension.
That will be most telling.
wpg, my experience tells me that classifying this as an abduction and reviewing and re-interviewing RSO’s by tier is a heinous sign. A surprise? No. I want another a la Bain case like everyone else for this innocent baby girl.
If I am a parent, and I see that press conf ( repeating myself) I am on the horn with that same press immediately begging for my baby to be spared/returned, assuming of course that it had never occurred to them that this was a stranger-based sexually motivated crime until this afternoon.
I am watching them like an owl.
B
Blink when my son played basketball that happened all the time. More with some school than others. When he went to high school he wasn’t good enough to make the varsity but he loved the game.
So we got him involved in CYO basketball and it was wonderful.
My point is this. There are alternatives. Make it better or leave.
Todays new conference on missing Isabel is said to be the last. I fear it is over and we have another unsolved missing child.
Today my thoughts are on Morgan Harrington. The Shiny Girl.
Love, Pippi
Mom3.0
Yes, some of the women who worked during the war filling jobs formerly held by men did have to give them up. There happened to be a law that required an employer to hold the job of any person serving in the armed services to be returned to them when their service to the country was completed. If the person, man or woman, who was filling a job was not able to fill another position, then the employer had no choice. Unlike the government, private businesses cannot afford a work force that is not fully untilized.
And of course your point about women not being paid the same wage as men for the same work is by law not supposed to happen. That does not mean the infractions don’t happen.
I have been responsible for many persons in the workplace including women. I worked for a fortune 500 company for many years and then for myself for another ten. Professional level positions often have many steps from entry level through a top level. All of these are based on experience as well as the effort that a particular person does to improve their skill set.
I firmly believe that if a woman is doing the same work as a man and both have the same ability and skill set, the pay should be the same. The reality is that not everyone follows that metric. If it was our choice in every case, that would not be happening.
The statement about the American Indians was a guess at what was actually driving the effort to eleminate truancy. Your information completely put that speculation to rest.
What we don’t know is did the State of Arizona begin a program of funding local schools based on the number of students present each day. That is how it is done in Texas. If a child or young person is not in school, the school does not get funds for that day from the state.
I also know about the way American Indian children were taken from their homes and moved to special schools, sometimes completly out of state. Man’s misplaced altruism often causes more problems than the original situation.
And a resounding NO to your statement that I am looking backwards longing for what once was. I believe in a historical look at what works and what doesn’t. Within my lifetime there have been marvelous changes for the betterment of society. However, many of the changes that were created for a particular purpose have failed to produce the results desired and have in fact made a situation much worse than the original.
Blink, I agree with you.
Let’s see what happens.
Since today turned out to be the last scheduled presser, I’m glad that it was Sgt.Pacheco that lead it.
Why do you say that wpg? That is was Pacheco?
B
Thanks for the post Providencedad
This list is a good one. The police are still looking for any type of information that will help them find Isa.
Construction workers are often brought in from other areas for a particular skill. Unfortunately, construction work is often the only type work that a criminal can get because of their past records. This is not good for the neighborhood.
There are all types of other events that bring in people to the area and this is covered in the list.
Sgt.Pacheco is a little more open, imo.
The announcement/flyer:
http://azstarnet.com/search-for-isabel/pdf_e7d3c39e-a392-11e1-a6cc-0019bb2963f4.html
article and raw video of toda’s presser
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18575838/tpd-scheduled-briefings-will-end
Lol, sorry, I knew you would not
B
I think the entire press conference can be summarized in Sgt Pacheco’s first sentence: “Naturally, as you can imagine there’s not a whole lot of breaking information per se.”
My take on their continued work interviewing RSOs is exactly what I would expect from a thorough investigation. They are not “focused on just one or two people.” He says as much. And then he ends by saying, “We haven’t ruled anyone out.”
What’s interesting is his reference to last week’s press conference(s). Did you notice? He says that at that point they had significant news to report. If you recall, last week they released the 911 tapes and they revealed that CPS had restricted the father from contact with the sons. Those two updates do NOT point to an RSO abduction. They point to an internal perpetrator.
Thorough = 4 times in an investigation over a month old? Thorough was complete 2 weeks ago.
B
My belief is that the RSO interviews they’re conducting is a matter of being thorough.
10. Pak31 says:
May 21, 2012 at 11:26 am
Grace in the hills said: “I know I could be wrong, but I suspect the male voices the female neighbor heard at 6:28 that morning, were Isa’s male relatives looking for her. I think Becky had probably already left for work by that time. If her shift started at 7:00 AM she would likely be at the hospital on her unit at 6:45 AM for change of shift report.”———————I just have a question. On the 911 call BC tells the operator that she left at 7 am. So why are we assuming that her shift started at 7 or that she left the home before 7? I am so confused. Has her start time ever been verified yet? I heard early on that she started at 7:30. BC says she left at 7. Yet a lot of people are saying she was out of the house much earlier.
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Great questions, Pak31. I read in an earlier post here that BC worked a 12 hour shift – 7AM to 7PM. I also once read she was an ER nurse, but Blink says she works in pediatrics. If she is a days shift nurse supervisor her hours could be 8 AM to 5 PM. Does anyone here know with certainty that she works 7AM to 7PM?
7AM to 7 PM, confirmed.
B
7. Sue says:
May 21, 2012 at 9:53 am
GraceintheHills: You write: “Another thing that concerned me is that you make yet another leap to “substance abuse” in addition to your belief that she is abusing alcohol.” I was not referring to BC in regards to the substance abuse, but rather SC. I guess I wasn’t clear on that in my posts but alcohol is substance abuse too. I will have to say however, that I don’t believe it is a stretch to consider that there is a ‘hint’ of a problem in being pulled over for an alleged DUI at one time.
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Hi Sue, It does not surprise me that a nurse drinking on the job and employed by a company that contracted with a prison was not caught sooner. I am all too familiar with privatized/contracted services in correctional facilities and do not have a favorable view of many of them, to say the least. The county or state generally chooses the contractor who comes in with the lowest bid. The situation you described, imo, would not fly in most other health facilities, especially those accredited by the Joint Commission.
You were correct to refer to BC’s charge as an “alleged” DUI nine years ago in 2003. It doesn’t matter what the arresting LEO thought; the prosecutor moved to dismiss and the judge signed the Order of Dismissal.
My opinion comes from a professional point of view so I am aware that alcohol is an intoxicant/substance. However, because alcohol is not an illicit substance many make a distinction between alcohol and “drugs.” One can consume alcohol and drive as long as one’s BAL is not at or above the legal limit, and abuse alcohol in one’s home until the cows come home, and not be arrested. This is not true for illicit drugs when mere possession of can land a person in jail.
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Sue says, “No matter the outcome of her charges, she can’t be charged if alcohol wasn’t a factor in the case.”
@ Sue: That is incorrect. Under Arizona law, alcohol and/or other substances can be the intoxicant(s) in a DUI case:
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/28/01381.htm&Title=28&DocType=ARS
Blink knows I climb up on my soapbox when issues like this pop up, so here goes: I don’t think it is fair to label anyone in this family a substance abuser or chemically dependent individual without any current reliable evidence. I certainly agree with you that substance abuse (in particular alcohol and stimulants) is associated with homicides, suicides and domestic violence, but what evidence do we have that it was a factor in Isa’s disappearance? Nada.
Again, Sue – nothing personal, I’m just offering a different point of view. I will continue reading your posts, and hope you continue reading mine. I believe everyone who cares enough to post on BOC has something to offer, even when we disagree. I have no doubt we will find common ground at some point. Okay, I’m off my soapbox. Thank you for reading!
Prayers for Isa and all who love and miss her.
I just cannot believe they have not found Isabel yet-or Lisa or Aliayah or Sky or Jahessye or Ayla. Why do people harm kids? I just will never get it.
May God bring them all safely home.
From my sister:
Quote from BC at the candlelight vigil May 18 ………… ” At the end of the day, when she comes home, everybody’s questions will be answered.” Did anyone notice that her first words were “at the end of the story”, then she changed it to “day”? This brought back memories of Balloon Boy when he said, “We did it for the ‘show’”! Interesting!
Nancy in Colorado
@Great questions, Pak31. I read in an earlier post here that BC worked a 12 hour shift – 7AM to 7PM. I also once read she was an ER nurse, but Blink says she works in pediatrics. If she is a days shift nurse supervisor her hours could be 8 AM to 5 PM. Does anyone here know with certainty that she works 7AM to 7PM?
7AM to 7 PM, confirmed.
B
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Who in the “H” would have felt comfortable abducting this child from her home at 6:30 am when it’s light outside and after BC left the house to go to work? What perp fits this profile?
None that I am aware of, I suspect that is when it was learned Isa was missing.
B
36. GraceintheHills says:
May 21, 2012 at 11:02 pm
10. Pak31 says:
May 21, 2012 at 11:26 am
Grace in the hills said: “I know I could be wrong, but I suspect the male voices the female neighbor heard at 6:28 that morning, were Isa’s male relatives looking for her. I think Becky had probably already left for work by that time. If her shift started at 7:00 AM she would likely be at the hospital on her unit at 6:45 AM for change of shift report.”———————I just have a question. On the 911 call BC tells the operator that she left at 7 am. So why are we assuming that her shift started at 7 or that she left the home before 7? I am so confused. Has her start time ever been verified yet? I heard early on that she started at 7:30. BC says she left at 7. Yet a lot of people are saying she was out of the house much earlier.
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Great questions, Pak31. I read in an earlier post here that BC worked a 12 hour shift – 7AM to 7PM. I also once read she was an ER nurse, but Blink says she works in pediatrics. If she is a days shift nurse supervisor her hours could be 8 AM to 5 PM. Does anyone here know with certainty that she works 7AM to 7PM?
Blink says, 7AM to 7 PM, confirmed.
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Thank you Ms. Blink for confirming that for us.
OT, but I want you to know I thought about you when I was in New Jersey – but, gosh, the pre-wedding jitters were contagious. Since when did weddings become so elaborate and expensive? The bride told me all NJ weddings are over the top. The DJ we hired to play at the rehearsal dinner for 87 guests told me he had never seen one so big, and he plays a lot of weddings. They didn’t cut the cake until 10:45 PM. I was so exhausted, I had to concentrate to keep my face from falling into my pan-seared Halibut. I have NEVER seen so much food in my life at any venue. Well, anyway, my stepson is happy…so, so am I.
Prayers for Isa and all who love her. May she be found safe and sound, and returned to her Momma.
Without knowing how thoroughly detectives will examine and re-examine certain people (RSOs in this case) it appeared to me that Sgt Pacheco was trying to make a specific point to the public.
He says (paraphrased) that he hopes the public can see that they are not just focusing on one or two individuals (read: Sergio). Notably, he follows that by: “no one has been ruled out.”
I imagine there are citizens that fear there’s a dangerous RSO that has abducted a child in their community. In their shoes, I would want to know that my police department has looked at each RSO carefully. Since their agency is tasked with public safety, by making that point I got the impression that Sgt. was addressing the public’s concern.
It has also occurred to me that they are dealing with the famous “they only focused on my guy as a suspect” issue- but I don’t think so, they don’t know everyone who was at every house and/or they don’t believe some of the interviews.
B
Ok, I’ll bite!
Blink,
In your response to wpg (#27) you mentioned, noone had asked where TPD is in their investigating the girl in Tanque Verde.
I too was questioning that when I listened to the presser and wondering if they are trying to connect that case with Isa?
Do you believe the two to be connected?
There is a person who was recently suspended from work, attended an alternative school of sorts that has had my radar buzzing and yet it doesn’t fit with Isa, yet!
I am aware of him, but I think you mean his hours were reduced, it was not a suspension as in an HR administrative function to my knowledge.
I cannot say that they are connected, but to my knowledge, it has not been excluded yet so until it is out, it is in.
B
B
@ wpg
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I agree with you regarding SGT Pacheo, and also feel he is a little easier to read when he speaks about Sergio!
I would like to think that they are close to solving this case. But when they say they’re going back and interviewing more RSOs, it makes me think that they have no clue and have no suspect.
Does anyone know if they ever found surveillance video from the correct night in question? Sorry if it’s been answered on here before. I read all the comments but my memory has a hard time keeping all these crime stories straight.
On a good note, O/T…an arrest was made in Sierra Lamar’s kidnapping. Unfortunately, they are suspecting she’s been murdered.
Agreed.
Was working on this when you posted:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/05/22/arrest-in-sierra-lamar-murder-cops-to-announce-her-disappearance-ended-in-her-death/
B
Yep, that’s new. Good catch.
B
Just can’t get past a strong impression that Becky Celis knows or strongly suspects something she’s not telling. The CPS agreement confuses me, but it doesn’t shake that impression.
Sergio, I just don’t know. It’s been a decade since he performed as a soloist at the opera, as far as I can tell. Only chorus work and church singing since, which is nice but wouldn’t pay bills. Has anyone seen anything more recent? Or an indication yet of where he works as a dental hygienist (if he does)?
http://www.azopera.com/performances.php?opera=castbios&subpage=sergio_david_celis
What’s the best link to info on which car the blanket and pillows were taken from? I had read the family car initially, but later read nonoperational?
OFF TOPIC
Dear TGF,
Hello yes I am aware of the history and I fully support the GI Bill Of Rights and Userra-
TGF, my point was that although many women entered the workforce during War time as you wrote, at the end of the war they no longer had their jobs.
You wrote:
And of course your point about women not being paid the same wage as men for the same work is by law not supposed to happen. That does not mean the infractions don’t happen.
and then:
I have been responsible for many persons in the workplace including women…. I firmly believe that if a woman is doing the same work as a man and both have the same ability and skill set, the pay should be the same.
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Very commendable TGF thank you for stating that- but please understand that when you add on “the same ability and skill set” I get nervous because I worry that you may think women can never really measure up and have the same ability and skill set-
I know that cant but then
IRT my comment about missing Soldier Kelli Bordeaux:
Kelli was 5 foot 1 and weighed 102 pounds- even though I am sure she was/is an excellent soldier and adept at self defense etc I cant imagine it would be very hard for someone to overpower her- especially if she was incapacitated quickly.
You responded with:
“I am sure you hope that these young women have the necessary training to protect themselves. Most of the time they don’t. They couldn’t beat up their 16 year old brother. This is a sad fact.
Most cannot even carry a pack the distance on a ten mile hike. If it were not for the guys covering for them, they would never make it. The
DI’s just look the other way.
This young woman was in the medical support group. Most of her training would be associated with that work.
I am all for women in the armed services, but until they get serious about strength tests and other skills associated with combat, none should be considered fit for such duty.”
So then you think Kelli didnt deserve the same job or the same pay?
I am sure that you didnt mean it like that, bit others reading who dont know you…
See TGF its a slippery slope -as I do understand and
I agree- women and men are different and they have different strengths and innate abilities as does every individual- but that does not mean a woman is an less than a man or should lose her job or not be considered for that job or get paid any less for performing that job, and the same should be true for physically challenged or handicapped people as well-
TGF you sometimes make blanket statements and I know you do not mean for certain comments to be read wrong.
For instance your comment to Blink on bullying and sports and a persons physique.
You wrote:
“People who live a life style that produces the overweight children we see today, are IMO creating major problems. Many who are grossly overweight will have a difficult time in securing opportunities as young men and women in society.”
Now I hope you didnt mean for it to sound this way, but it seems as if you are somewhat okay with or can understand employers etc discriminating against over-weight persons-
See what I mean?
TGF I know you know not all overweight children or adults are heavy because they over eat or dont exercise- some have medical conditions such thyroid conditions or are on such medications as steriods etc.
Not all overweight people can control their weight with diet and exercise. This kind of thinking is what leads to eating disorders and bullying as so often kids are bullied because they are “fat” or because they are too “skinny” – this shouldnt lead to discrimination
Sometimes size can not be helped especially in children who go through growth spurts and bulk up and slim down with each spurt…
TGF, I know you are a wise and kind and decent man and I know you would never say or do anything that would harm another soul- I just dont think you realize the way some of words “play”
Thank you TGF for always being that wise and gentle man, who so generously shares your experiences and wisdom. BOC would not be the same without your advocacy.
Peace
AJMO
Quote from BC at the candlelight vigil May 18 ………… ” At the end of the day, when she comes home, everybody’s questions will be answered.” Did anyone notice that her first words were “at the end of the story”, then she changed it to “day”? This brought back memories of Balloon Boy when he said, “We did it for the ‘show’”! Interesting!
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This idea has been put forth by the Celises since their first TV appearance: I have heard on more than one occasions this concept of, “all the questions will be answered.” and “we are confident the truth/story will come out,” etc. Do you all recall BC and/or SC making these references? It has bothered me from the first time I heard them because it makes me think they have a secret and “we will all find out”–surprise!
I cannot wrap my head around why BC would use these words in this way under these circumstances……it makes me suspect of her.