Isabel Celis Breaking News: Child Services Removes Sons From Sergio Celis Care and Placed With Mother
In the latest development in the April 21st disappearance of missing Tucson child Isabel Celis, her father Sergio has been stripped of his physical custodial rights of her brothers.
There has been no confirmation from Tucson Police about the children’s removal and placement, and CPS has only confirmed the boys have been placed with one parent.
Sources inside the investigation have confirmed to www.blinkoncrime.com that evidence gleaned in the investigation has warranted alternative placement of the couples oldest children in the wake of the disappearance of their daughter, Isabel.
The boys, whose names have been reported previously elsewhere but are being intentionally withheld by www.blinkoncrime.com have been placed together, not separately.
Check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for details.
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Because of the fact that the Celis family has older cars, not newer ones, I believe they kept that little red car for the son. I heard them say on TV he was “soon to be 15.” That means that drivers training will probably be this coming fall.
Maybe they dated in that old car and they are going to try to fix it up for one of the boys.
If my younger child had disappeard, I don’t think his older sister could have stayed in the house. You would not have been able to tie her down. She would have been out in neighborhood. Of course, just saying, they are grown now.
Susie and Blink,
You both just made me realize that SergioJr had no cellphone with him when he went off to search for his sister.
If . . . if SergioSr sent his son out to search, how did he expect his son to contact him with any possible urgent news?
Hmm.
I don’t know that he sent him, he may have just darted out of the house. He was within 2 blocks the entire time that I am aware of, and based on accounts as well as his own voice and comments, he was likely near hysteria. The fact that Julian stayed in the garage to wait for their mom may have been Sergio telling him he was too young to go by himself, or not wanting to cry in front of his Dad.
Perhaps even, when Mom gets here everything will be ok and Isa will be found.
B
Hold on.
Sergio told the 911 operator that the younger son was in the garage waiting, and the older son was outside of the property.
Does give me the impression Sergio knew the older son went off into the neighborhood(s).
Hmm.
He did.
B
Rose says:
May 27, 2012 at 9:28 pm
@Graceinthehills. I see your post. I simply differ in general terms. I have abutted a school/community playground for 25 years.
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A child who suffers from ADD/ADHD and accidentally harms a sib as your son did is entirely different that suspecting that an ADHD sib murdered a sib then hid the body.
I do not believe — nor has any evidence been leaked or presented that would suggest — the Celis sons did anything to “disappear” their sister. I don’t know of any evidence that any one of the Celis family is involved in this crime.
If an ADD/ADHD child is APPROPRIATELY medicated and receiving psychological care (which you know goes hand in hand with ADD/ADHD medical treatment), the child should not be accidentally or impulsively severely injuring a sib. When this occurs in a home or other setting, the child with ADD/ADHD, imo, should be – at a minimum – re-evaluated, which is something that I am sure you did. The best predictor of future violence is past violence, in all populations.
I agree with LaurieO. I’m curious why you aren’t reporting to CPS the parents of the 12 month who is being supervised only by her older brothers on the playground who you say are bullying/assaulting other children as well. If it is happening as you described, you are describing *possible* negligence, particularly with the 12 month old on the slide. If the boys are assaulting or bullying other children on the playground or corner (not just playing rough as some boys do), imo, that should be reported as well regardless of how powerful you feel the parents are. From a distance, imo, one cannot say if these boys’ behavior is intentional or not. JMO.
Yeah, Blink, you could be right about SergioJr darting off on his own.
After my comments, I reread the report with Linda from E 13th Street, and looked at google map because she reported that while she was heading north on S Chantilly Drive, SergioJr came out of the back lane of E 12th towards the park that runs along Chantilly.
In the park, closer down to E 13th, is an equipped playground.
This could have been an area where the Celis’ children played, and SergioJr thought of it and just went all the way down their back lane, 2 blocks, in a panicked hope.
Don’t know if he made it to the playground, though, because of the contact of Linda and then the man who pulled up in the truck and got out after SergioJr approached him (same man used his cell to initiate the 911 call and drove SergioJr back home).
Heartbreaking.
Indeed. I hope that wherever Isa is, she felt the love and responsibility of her big brother.
B
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/28/blood-found-in-isabel-celis-bedroom_n_1550314.html?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-sb-bb%7Cdl3%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D164774
It seems complete counter-logical to me that any parent who truly felt their child had been “abducted” by a dangerous and unknown stranger/perpetrator, would allow another child (even a 14 year old) out of their sight for one minute, let alone to go off alone trying to find her. It makes no sense.
What if Sergio Jr. did happen upon Isa and her abductor hiding in some alley between houses, or in the park, or heard his sisters cries in the background at another neighbours home? What possible outcome could come from that aside from him becoming a victim also.
If Sergio Sr. had said in the 911 call that she was missing and may have simply wandered from the house by accident or on purpose by herself, then I can see sending or allowing the 14 year old to search the neighbourhood, but if Sergio Sr. truly believed as he said in the 911 call that she had been abducted by a stranger from her bedroom through a window, I just can’t imagine he would allow Sergio Jr. out of his sight.
It is clear to me that Sergio did not believe, or was not comprehending for real the possibility that Isa was abducted through her window.
B
I have a question for those of you who know more about CPS.
My thinking is/was that when CPS steps in, as they have in this case, it’s not just an indefinate separation. Don’t they usually set a hearing or require certain objectives to be followed with the hopes of reuniting the estranged parent back into the family?
Not saying they should one way or the other, just seeking to understand a little better.
TIA
@Classygal says:
May 28, 2012 at 1:20 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/28/blood-found-in-isabel-celis-bedroom_n_1550314.html?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-sb-bb%7Cdl3%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D164774
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I am not aware the TPD has released any information to the public regarding blood evidence results.
Most recent charge:
Case Number: M-1041-CR-12033020
Title: ST OF AZ VS CELIS SERGIO DAVID Category: Criminal
Court: Tucson Municipal Court Filing Date: 4/19/2012
Judge: HON NIKKI A CHAYET Disposition Date:
SERGIO DAVID CELIS DEFENDANT – D 1 Date of Birth: 12/1970
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
QX0067820 1 LOCAL CHARGE
QX0067820 2 LOCAL CHARGE
QX0067820 3 LOCAL CHARGE
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13107.80
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I brought this link over from SM. Blink is this the dog charges against the Celis’. I did not realize that it was the Thursday before Isa went missing. That is weird to me. For a brief moment I wondered if someone could have come to hurt the dogs and Isa stepped in and got hurt. I am also wondering why it states Criminal for the category. Did the dogs bite someone?
Having worked in CPS for many years, and still doing so, let me just make a couple of comments. A shift has occurred in how to best protect the interests of children. Currently a substantial number of referrals are resulting in “voluntary” services. These cases do not result in court action as long as the “voluntary” aggreements are complied with. The agreements may require a parent to take parenting classes, engage in family counseling, prohibit someone from the home etc. In these voluntary service agreements the children are allowed to remain in the home and a social worker works closely with the family. In some cases a parent can voluntariy request to place their child in out of home care while a particular situation is resolved. Voluntary cases of either type are ususually of short duration. AND detention and court involvement is always an option if the conditions of the agreement are not met or other issues surface that pose a risk to a child. It is not beyond the realm of possiblities in this case that it is not the father who poses a threat to his children but someone else who frequents the home or in other ways associates with the father. Wishing that the world was safer for our little people. Have been reading here since Morgan. So incredibly sad that there are so many children and young people for whom we must continue to search. I admire the commitment of everyone here for making them all matter.
Katy, thanks for posting that Houston Chronicle article on CPS. Wow—a real eye opener. I had no idea that tactics like this had become the norm. Quite frankly, I find it a disturbing trend. This is why Mark Klaas suggested SC get a lawyer soon. This is also why he probably has not. What bothers me about it is that having lived in the Houston are for some 40 years, I have seen far too many cases where children were allowed to remain in a home in which they were in danger. In many cases CPS made the wrong call, then it was too late. So it’s almost like well, we will just step all over everyone’s civil right to cover our own ass. That is not what CPS is for. They are supposed to be an investigative agency with child safety being job one. But it never seems to work out that way. Every time a child dies at the hand of a parent, boyfriend, etc., there is a long list of incidents that were screaming “take this child out of this home” yet the child was allowed to remain. I don’t have any answers but I do know that CPS has always been severely understaffed and underfunded. Our society has just never gotten around to making its children the number one priority that they should be. The statistics are a sad reminder.
GraceintheHills says:
May 27, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Hi Grace – I was reading this today and thank you so much. My daughter is in her final year of high school.
Her diagnosis is:
1) ASD (PDD-NOS)
2) ADHD
3) Borderline IQ
With early intervention and lots of support, she is exceeding many of the expectations her medical team had when she was first diagnosed. She will be attending community college in September. We are very proud of her. I’m sure there are other kids out there with a similar diagnosis that are not functioning at the same level as she is, be it better or worse.
Sorry for being OT Blink. I just had to thank Grace because these kids need all the support they can get.
I am ok with that, what is more important than observing the accomplishments of our children in the face of tragedy?
B
@ Mahotchki
Thank you for your input*
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I guess re-wording my question would be better understood
by asking,
Can Voluntary services be indefinate?
and if so, what would constitute such?
I remember hearing when this first happened that The Celis’ were talking about this all being voluntary, (don’t rememeber where I heard that)
and then Blink’s article,
Snip>
her father Sergio has been stripped of his physical custodial rights of her brothers.
Just mind boggeling, If I TRULY, had nothing to do with my own daughters disappearance and CPS took my kids, I would go nuts, breaking down every attorney door and courthouse room until my kids were home.
I drive an old, 2002 Kia Sportage. It’s no beauty but is mechanically sound. I use it for extra storage because my house is short on closet space. At any given time you might find large bundles of paper products, comforters & other bedding, toys for my grandson or a myriad of other items. At all times there is an abundance of old towels and, yes, a shower curtain for those times I haul plants or sod. So, for me, an old shower curtain in the trunk of a garaged car is not suspect. And it seems if the initial filed tests were positive for blood, wouldn’t we have heard that by now? Wish we knew if a shower curtain was missing from any of the bathrooms. Then a check of credit card purchases might prove fruitful.
Finally catching up after having guests for a few days. But my, all those reports to peruse now.
Well, we all now know about 100 uses for old shower curtains. LOL (have done some of them myself). Maybe the shower curtain and pillow were in the non-functional vehicle because it hadn’t been non-functional for very long? Does anyone know how long that vehicle had been non-operational? There is an earlier report that states not only were there dogs outside of the home, there was a dog inside. (Another reason it’s weird that no one inside the home was alerted to the dogs barking, or at least we haven’t heard of anyway.) I’m guessing maybe it was a smaller-type dog, or it probably would have been outside as well. Small dogs, doing the dog circle thing before they lie down, if they have sharp little toe nails will tear the chit out of a pillow.
foobros says:
May 28, 2012 at 6:05 pm
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foobros, I’m thrilled for your daughter and all of her accomplishments. Way to go!!
And, yes, early intervention and continued consistent support is so very important for children who face these challenges.
Congratulations and best wishes for your daughter in all her future endeavors. And special kudos to you for being the great parent you are!
Warm regards,
Grace
Sergio saying to the dispatcher in the 911 call that he thought his child was abducted was weird as hell to me. Why would he not have thought she possibly just climbed out the window herself? I also thought his response was strange when the dispatcher asked him why he thought she had been abducted. Instead of saying immediately, well the screen was off the window, he said “I don’t know.” As if he was answering *do you know why anyone would want to take your daughter*. IDK, it just seemed weird to me.
wpg says:
May 25, 2012 at 1:28 am
Must see article and video:
(snips)
“9OYS also learned more about the investigation into the Celis family. Police reports reveal all family members were swabbed for DNA. Rebecca and Sergio submitted blood samples. Police also questioned Rebecca about her other children and whether they could hurt Isabel. She says there’s no way. Sergio tells police he fell asleep on the couch in the family room until 5 a.m. That’s when he woke up to join Rebecca in bed the morning Isabel disappeared. He tells police the window was closed the last time he saw Isabel.”
“Police have also collected footprints around several key locations. Exact addresses still not available. What’s described as “apparent blood” was also found on the floor of an unspecified residence.”
“Despite the massive records release, there’s quite a bit police still aren’t talking about. Key parts of these reports were redacted to protect the investigation. ”
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/153931355.html
What I can catch in the close-ups of some parts of the documents, is a police officer interviewed Rebecca away from the rest of the family and she told him she left for work at 7:30.
Sergio said the same . . . that she left at 7:30.
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Wait a minute, Sergio said when he last saw Isa the window was closed? Didn’t he earlier say he last saw her when she was “walking by him” and he asked if she was hungry and she said no just tired.
How in the heck did he know whether or not the window in her room was open or closed if he didn’t put her in bed or check on her in bed? I’m confused.
@ TRuth says: “Wait a minute, Sergio said when he last saw Isa the window was closed? Didn’t he earlier say he last saw her when she was “walking by him” and he asked if she was hungry and she said no just tired.
How in the heck did he know whether or not the window in her room was open or closed if he didn’t put her in bed or check on her in bed? I’m confused.”
Excellent catch TR!!! Great question!
Just thinking how some people react when tragedy happens. I remember when the Trade Center was attacked. President Bush was in Florida reading stories to children. When the man came in and told bush we had been attacked, Bush just sat there and rolled his eyes–no surprised looked. What should have happened is they should have got him out quickly quickly as to not endanger the children. The terriorist more than likely knew where he was. It almost as if they knew it was going to happen. thank goodness that did not happen, but I just thought of this.
What does this mean (given an outlet)????????????
Found over a SM
will have to find it and post it, I found an article of Sergio written by another. It is written in Spanish. His youth, his time prior to marrying Becky by a year. He is said to have been given a scholarship of sorts to join a theater group for education in Mexico. At the time it is said to be mayhem of drug cartel, gangs etc, that those who joined this theater were given an outlet. He is named and named for a staring role. I will post the link, from 1995, he then was living in Mexico. The link is enormous.
No clue, have no idea how that was posted without a source at all, as evidenced by the question from the very lovely and talented MuffyBee.
B
Sat May 12, 11:28:00 PM EDT
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=34799002&postID=2723984277223794150&page=1&token=1338247200403
Logged
Does anyone think that there is a chance that LE has put the recent information out there to try and “fool” the real perp.? If there is sufficient evidence to prohibit contact between Sergio and his sons, than shouldnt there be sufficient evidence to charge him with some type of child endangerment/abuse or anything pertaining to such?? Could this perhaps be a move to try and allow the real “perp” to let his guard down??
T.Ruth
It wasn’t so much what SC said to the 911 operator to me as it was his demeanor. Not an ounce of fear, panic, or anxiety of any kind, it was almost as if he was reciting the phone book, it was that bland. And for him to actually say the word “abducted”, and still have no fear or panic of any kind, just sends up huge red flags to me. I don’t care what people say about “everyone” reacts differently, this guy didn’t react at all!
A member at WS’s posted the audio for a May 8th blogtalk radio show that had Sergio and Rebecca on.
The Celis’ come on at the 73:00 minute mark.
At the 85:33 mark, one of the show hosts asks them what Isabel was last wearing.
Rebecca: I think the last thing, um, that we have…that we have is that she had a BLUE TANK TOP, it’s like an Old Navy tank top that says, um, you know, um . . . 4th of July of last year they had Old Navy 4th of July tank tops, and that’s what she had on and then some, um, some navy blue shorts.
Sergio: AND THAT’S WHAT SHE WENT TO BED IN.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/solutionsnowradio/2012/05/08/judge-judys-bailiff-meet-petri-hawkins-byrd
Just a note on the timeline,
the radio interview was Tuesday, May 8 . . .
the LE release of the redacted 911 calls was Monday, May 14.
Ode says:
May 28, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Most recent charge:
Case Number: M-1041-CR-12033020
Title: ST OF AZ VS CELIS SERGIO DAVID Category: Criminal
Court: Tucson Municipal Court Filing Date: 4/19/2012
Judge: HON NIKKI A CHAYET Disposition Date:
SERGIO DAVID CELIS DEFENDANT – D 1 Date of Birth: 12/1970
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
QX0067820 1 LOCAL CHARGE
QX0067820 2 LOCAL CHARGE
QX0067820 3 LOCAL CHARGE
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13107.80
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I brought this link over from SM. Blink is this the dog charges against the Celis’. I did not realize that it was the Thursday before Isa went missing. That is weird to me. For a brief moment I wondered if someone could have come to hurt the dogs and Isa stepped in and got hurt. I am also wondering why it states Criminal for the category. Did the dogs bite someone?
Wow! I agree….the date on this charge is disturbing! What exactly is the charge? Were the dogs barking excessively on the 19th and someone complained? An intruder may have made a preliminary trial run – entered the Celis yard and practiced finding Isa’ window and removing the screen. Maybe even practiced going in and out of the window. Could have set the dogs off. Idk…but I DO think whatever these charges are, the date being one day before Isabel goes missing is REALLY WEIRD!
Ode says:
May 28, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Most recent charge:
Case Number: M-1041-CR-12033020
Title: ST OF AZ VS CELIS SERGIO DAVID Category: Criminal
Court: Tucson Municipal Court Filing Date: 4/19/2012
Judge: HON NIKKI A CHAYET Disposition Date:
SERGIO DAVID CELIS DEFENDANT – D 1 Date of Birth: 12/1970
Citation Count Description Disp. Date Disposition
QX0067820 1 LOCAL CHARGE
QX0067820 2 LOCAL CHARGE
QX0067820 3 LOCAL CHARGE
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=13107.80
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I brought this link over from SM. Blink is this the dog charges against the Celis’. I did not realize that it was the Thursday before Isa went missing. That is weird to me. For a brief moment I wondered if someone could have come to hurt the dogs and Isa stepped in and got hurt. I am also wondering why it states Criminal for the category. Did the dogs bite someone?
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Wow! I agree….the date on this charge is disturbing! What exactly is the charge? Were the dogs barking excessively on the 19th and someone complained? An intruder may have made a preliminary trial run – entered the Celis yard and practiced finding Isa’ window and removing the screen. Maybe even practiced going in and out of the window. Could have set the dogs off. Idk…but I DO think whatever these charges are, the date being one day before Isabel goes missing is REALLY WEIRD!
Rose says:
May 27, 2012 at 9:01 pm
@Graceinthehills. I don’t know who replied I guess because I Thought it was Blink. Didn’t notice your name.
I Thought if my intent had been read correctly, she was quite right.
But, I did not make my intent clear late at night,
which I’m sure you understand.
I had been speaking generally. So I thought I’d clarify my own point of view. And snippy never bothers me; nothing taken personally. Frankly, if an LEO was asking the Mother that question in the first place, he was as competent as mcso and you know what that means to me.
(And to me, that question would lead me to lawyer up for my kids if not me.)
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Rose, I find I have the same problem when typing late at night — and here I am. Remember in the JBR case how LE wondered if the slightly older brother harmed her? It’s awful for a family to be questioned like this, but I think it is SOP when kids go missing. So, so sad.
Hope you have a good night…and all the rest of you Blinksters and, of course, our guiding light, Blink!
I wonder if Sergio will make a mistake?
What I can catch in the close-ups of some parts of the documents, is a police officer interviewed Rebecca away from the rest of the family and she told him she left for work at 7:30.
Sergio said the same . . . that she left at 7:30.
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I can’t believe RC could have left for work at 7:30 and made it back home when she did. Wasn’t she back at home shortly after police arrived (was it 8:20 they arrived?)–or do we know what time RC arrived back home? There is a lot of ocnstuction and building going on at the hospital where RC works. To get to work, get through the mess of const., traffic, park, then talk to and/or see her boss (boss stated she was at work “very early” that day) and get back home so soon after Sergio called—It seems much too tight if she left at 7:30.
Seems she must have left earlier… but, why would she and SC say 7:30? Or was it actually 6:47?
(correction, the radio show link was posted on JusticeQ, my mistake)
Head is spinning on this.
Sergio tells 911 “pink tank top” before the 911 operator informed him that his son was also communicating with 911 and before Rebecca had conveyed “blue tank top” to the other 911 operator.
It was happenstance that a concerned resident 2 blocks away initiated a 911 call for SergioJr, and SergioJr eventually handing the phone with the 911 operator over to his mother.
18 days later they do the radio show, Rebecca repeats blue tank top.
Possibly Sergio didn’t tell Rebecca about his “pink” description for some reason, or he did with some explanation that is either believable to her and LE, or just to her. Or she’s keeping quiet for some reason.
6 days after the radio show, TPD release the redacted 911 calls. What is not redacted is Sergio telling 911 about a pink tank top, and a 2nd female dispatch voice updating LEO in the field that the clothing description has been changed to a blue tank top, Old Navy etc.
Did Sergio clarify the clothing discrepancy to Rebecca before the unexpected public release of the 911 calls or after?
“she was just walking by” (as told by Sergio, Today Show, May 4)
vs
Sergio tucked Isabel in and dimmed her lights (document release May 24)
Rebecca cries out to 911 “I should of come and checked on her!” . . . meaning that morning, when Isabel went to bed, both times, or what?
Yes, then there’s the different accounts of when Rebecca left for work.
Discepencies, discrepencies.
Wow! I agree….the date on this charge is disturbing! What exactly is the charge? Were the dogs barking excessively on the 19th and someone complained? An intruder may have made a preliminary trial run – entered the Celis yard and practiced finding Isa’ window and removing the screen. Maybe even practiced going in and out of the window. Could have set the dogs off. Idk…but I DO think whatever these charges are, the date being one day before Isabel goes missing is REALLY WEIRD!
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Yes. Very odd. What were police called for? When I called to report my neighbor’s dogs barking, the police did not show up at their house. Each party receives a letter. You have choices as to how you want to proceed… I cannot remember exactly, but the police did not physically come to my door or the nieghbor’s house.
Might the police have been called on another matter and cited SC for dog violations while there? Is that allowed–I mean, to ask to see the dog’s tags, for example, if police were at house on another matter?
It does seem too much of a coincidence that the police were at the Celis house the day before (or 2 days before) Isa disappeared,IMO.
This is an overhead google map view of the home (rotated to see the “parked red-hatchback side”).
It’s dated 2012, and must be fairly recent because the neighbor’s vehicle is visible.
What is not at the side of the Celis home (or anywhere visible) is the red hatchback.
If the hatchback has been put into the 2-car garage, then one of the drivable vehicles is somewhere else at the time of this google shot.
Otherwise the hatchback is off-property somewhere.
There is a blue/green pickup truck parked on the front shoulder along the stone wall.
Any way to tell the date in 2012 this google map was taken?
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=5602+East+12th+Street,+Tucson,+AZ+85711,+United+States&hl=en&ll=32.220446,-110.872607&spn=0.000835,0.001405&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=51.089971,64.6875&oq=5602+East+12th+Street,+Tucson,+AZ+85711,+United+States&t=h&hnear=5602+E+12th+St,+Tucson,+Arizona+85711°=90&z=20
Unless, Blink, do you know if the 2003 Corolla has been impounded by LE?
I am going to say unconfirmed at this point, but with the blood finding, it would likely have been impounded for further processing. I recall neither vehicle being at the residence at the time of the re-visit with LE.
B
6.47 odd time to remember. Wonder if the police checked her actual time on a time stamp or sign in sheet. When I worked they also checked us at a new thing they put on front door. When you walk in it clicks a time, and we were told to not HOLD the DOOR for anyone if they were coming up behind you; and this was just an insurance company. I think they put the door thing up at 911 and cameras.
Blink,
Both the Corolla and the Lexus were in the garage when LE brought family members back, and on Mother’s Day. IDK, very little is making sense including why RC took the SUV to work for a 12 hour shift instead of SC using the SUV to take the kids to the baseball game and where ever after that.
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pueblodweller,
SC local charges are for dogs running at large, unlicensed, and no vaccinations.
pueblodweller, do you know whether or not if local citations issued by the pound are not complied with in a given time, the charges are bumped up to criminal for the courts to oversee?
Thank you.
Unless, Blink, do you know if the 2003 Corolla has been impounded by LE?
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Also, thinking back on a news report after SC was removed from his children: A neighbor was interviewed and said he sees SC “Walking to and from his house to his parents’ house.” Makes you think he doesn’t have his vehicle. If you need to get stuff, you’d want to drive your car to load up if you had it……
***Another observation I have on the cars is that in all the pictures I see (google maps, zillow, etc.), the cars are parked in the driveway. This gives me the impression that the Celises do not use the garage for their cars and prefer to park outside. Am I remembering correctly that the police report said the Corolla was in the garage when they arrived? If so, why was it in the garage that particular night? Or, am I recalling incorrectly (I will check on police reports)?
I’m assuming RC is still working. I’m wondering whose taking care of the boys while she works since SC cannot have contact with them. Is SC being monitored my the TPD or CPS for violation of voluntary agreement to not have contact with them? I’m also wondering if the TPD has received any results from items taken for trace evidence.
Woops! I stand corrected. I really must learn to read ALL of the info.!
“In the case a second anonymous complaint is submitted, an enforcement officer will be dispatched to the scene:”
So, it sounds like if enough complaints are made on dog barking, a police officer will go to a residence.
I don’t see me post about the dog violations procedure here. Not sure if I pressed “submit” or not now! But, here is the Pima County procedure for fiing noise complaints against animal owners:
http://www.pimaanimalcare.org/phs/an_cp.asp
Flo says:
May 29, 2012 at 11:14 am
6.47 odd time to remember. Wonder if the police checked her actual time on a time stamp or sign in sheet. When I worked they also checked us at a new thing they put on front door. When you walk in it clicks a time, and we were told to not HOLD the DOOR for anyone if they were coming up behind you; and this was just an insurance company. I think they put the door thing up at 911 and cameras.
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Yes. It seems a job in a hospital would be very particular about clocking in and have a set procedure, doesn’t it? I cannot recall it being reported anywhere what time RC arrived at work or was scheduled to report for work. Police have this info., of course, don’t you think? I would think RC’s boss has been interviewed and her work records pulled. Interesting that police only released SC’s work-related records and not RC’s….
Officer Orozco advised me that she arrived on the scene and made contact with Mr. Sergio Celis (father), Ms Rebecca Celis (mother), Sergio Celis (son), and ____________ (son). She advised me that ________was last seen last night (April 20, 2012) at approximately 2330 hours BEFORE going to bed. At approximately 0647 hours this morning, Rebecca left for work. At approximately 0713 hours, Mr. Celis woke up, remained in bed until 0754 hours, got up and went into______’s bedroom to check on her. When Mr. Celis entered _______’s bedroom (she does not share it with anyone), _________ was not there. Mr. Celis then went into his son’s bedroom to see if ________ was there and she was not. After alerting his sons (Sergio and _____) that _________ was not in the house, Sergio discovers that the _________ bedroom window was open and the window screen was off the window and damaged. Officer Orozco advised me that at at approximately 0805 hours, Mr. Cellis called his wife (Rebecca) and advised her that ________ was missing. Review of the cell text showed that this call was received at 0813, entered at 0814, dispatched at 0814 and a unit was on scene at 0820 hours.
After being assigned the case, I called TWX to ensure that ________ was in the system. I was advised by TWX that she was entered as a missing juvenile at 1145 hours.
As of the writing of this report (April 21, 2012, 1500hours) this case is still being investigated by numerous Tucson Police Department Divisions/units as well as multiple county, state and federal agencies.
above transcribed by me (wouldn’t copy paste, hopefully no mistakes) from this Pdf: http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/link/563539/pdf-celis-6-sandals-found-in-park-dna-from-family
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Just putting this here as these are the original times reported by the the family to the police. Becky to work at 6:47. (Is it possible that the 7:30 work time they’ve alluded to is when she *arrived at work*. Is it possible her shift begins at 8:00?) Again, noting that it says Isabel WAS LAST SEEN before she went to bed. How does Sergio know the window was not open, if no one put her to bed or checked on her before morning? Hmmmm, sure took Sergio a while to get his rear out of bed that morning when they had so much going on that morning. Lying in bed for another 41 minutes after he woke up. Hmmm?
Just as an update to all, I am posting a new piece on Isabel’s case late this afternoon/early evening and will be discussing on THE DANA PRETZER SHOW this evening which begins at 9 PM, I am scheduled for 9:25PM.
B
“An animal noise violation is a civil violation.”
http://www.pimaanimalcare.org/phs/an_cp.asp
SC’s charges for 4/19/12 were for CRIMINAL violations. Is there something I am not understaning about this court case? Are SC’s dog charges now criminal for some reason?
http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/caselookup.aspx
As I see the scene when Sergio checked on Isa and found her gone, he exclaims and tells the boys to look around the house and garage and yard. They find the screen on the ground. He says to Sergio Sr.–go out and look for her, which he does, running his heart and mind out.
imo, Sergio Jr. says that we’re not going to find her out here, 1) because he’s looked 2) because he knows Isa wouldn’t go out of the area alone 3)because of the screen being off and knowing of kidnapping scenarios.
Julian doesn’t go looking beyond the property because his man/his brother is already out there doing it and he needs to be in position to receive mom. (As Blink said, with the implied hope that Mom will make everything better, she’ll understand it, and get Isa back.)
Oh, break not my heart. Sergio Jr’s encounter with the two/three adults to help him and his poised response to the 911 operator makes him my hero. I am so sorry for that family’s pain, especially for these two young boys who are missing their sister.
The Car was still there – in several news reports you can see the car- a poster on WS took pics of it IIRC and of the surrounding area such as the electrical box.
FTR I know it was done with the best of intentions…just worries me, especially after following the Morgan Harrington case and with Caylees case and the searchers I realized what can happen if a well meaning person oversteps and finds themselves smack dab in LEs case.
In fact this might have already happened in Isa’s case because in the released Docs there was a man who was questioned because he was searching the tunnels…
He may have just been a well meaning citizen but now he seems kinda hinky.
Or not
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Not sure if the cars are gone now. But the released docs seem to be what LE has already checked out.
I was wondering where LE tested with luminol…maybe they moved the cars into the garage?
Did I read the docs right, was there possible blood on the Corollas steering wheel? (lit up under luminol testing) or was this the red cars SWheel?
AJMO
Mermaid14 says:
May 28, 2012 at 10:19 pm
T.Ruth
It wasn’t so much what SC said to the 911 operator to me as it was his demeanor. Not an ounce of fear, panic, or anxiety of any kind, it was almost as if he was reciting the phone book, it was that bland. And for him to actually say the word “abducted”, and still have no fear or panic of any kind, just sends up huge red flags to me. I don’t care what people say about “everyone” reacts differently, this guy didn’t react at all!
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It sounds like he called Becky first and she probably used the word “abducted” and told him to call 911. His demeanor sounds like he doesn’t really believe it’s an emergency and that he’s placating his wife because, as he said, she was freaking out. This is part of why I’m still on the fence about his involvement….thinking he might be innocent. If he had been involved in her disappearance and wanted to make it look like an abduction, wouldn’t he have faked some major emotional distress on the 911 call? The guy is a professional theatrical performer. He would have no problem acting like he was worried. To me, his 911 call sounds like he genuinely thinks she’ll be found down the street playing with a friend or something.
After reading thru the docs I am more concerned then ever.
I honestly dont know if I am reading these correctly. I am comparing them to the docs released in Caylees case and
I am hoping that LE is just different state to state…
But LE in Florida, witness statements were taped- and but in the befinning some stuff wasnt like Georges convo with police that night etc… (and those are the convos that seemed most relevant later… But officially the times and dates were noted and LE also stated for the record that the statement was being given under no duress and it was agreed to and signed by the witness.
Do these Docs just cut off that part or am I missing it?
After reading through the docs in the WM3 case, and realizing some witnesses were not interviewed properly, and now from hearing from the witness who gave a statement in this case (iirc Mr T) who supposedly voiced his concerns over the Sergios involvement in line again sadly off the record.. and now has been interviewed 3 times)
He says he never stated anything like that and is now either backtracking on national tv, or LE is getting witness statements wrong OR not recording them or not having the witness sign-off on statements..
Is anyone else concerned with this, or again am I just not reading this all in the right light?
AJMO
Oh, yay Podcast!
Please everyone listen live or to the podcast! You will appreciate Blink and other pro’s in a much different way. You’ll get to hear Blink’s heartbeat live.
Heart you, B.
http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/audio//20120529sblink.mp3
B
@Grace. I don’t really want to continue this as we simply differ in world views. No value judgement.
My point was unimpaired male sibs of ages 14 and 10 unintententionally injure 6 year old sibs all the time and for me that bizarro question from LE (that for bias issues shouldve hone to another like a school teacher) would’ve been a cue to me as a parent to lawyer up my family. Congrats foobros. my son just got an AB in Bus Admin and maintains a loving relationship with sib. But impulsivity happens by older vis younger sibs adhd or norm, and parental
denial is counterproductive, generally speaking.
As you know I see both sides of this, is all good. I have the responsibility of moderating sometimes what is meant vs. said.
I feel that came across for all of us. The “unintentional, impulsivity and accidental” can happen, I just saw nothing in this case to indicate they were at play here.
Everyone in the medical/pharma/patient/parent of patient/ realm can absolutely offer a slant in the “possibility” category once the diagnosis of something is on the table we just need to be really thorough in our thought process as it converts to a post.
B
I feel like Mom3.0 is accessing my keyboard remotely.. lol.