Isabel Celis Abduction BREAKING NEWS: Docs Show Blood In Bedroom Police Eye Family AND Neighbor
*LIVE TONIGHT On THE DANA PRETZER SHOW Blink Discusses The Isabel Celis Case*
After 550 plus pages of what amounts to discovery in a likely criminal case, Friday afternoon yielded a window to the world of the investigation of missing 6 year old Isabel Mercedes Celis.
Isa, according to the document release consisting of 6 packets of PDF files of police incident and timesheet reports was last seen by her Father who kissed her goodnight and dimmed her bedroom light after showering and braiding of her hair by her Mother Becky in anticipation of her baseball game the next morning with the Diamondbacks.
Isabel’s baseball Jersey number is #4.
The “goodnight kiss” was the first time the public has heard the actual version in his words containing the account that he was the last person to see Isabel before her disappearance as well as confirm that her window was closed when he closed the door.
Certainly not unexpected to hear a loving father’s tender goodnight detail to his baby girl, but most unexpected was the revelation that on Isabel’s bedroom floor was an obvious area of blood.
While it has not been disclosed whose blood was located on the floor of the southeast middle bedroom located on E 12th St, Sergio and Becky Celis were required to provide blood samples under a warrant obtained a few days later.
The Usual Suspects- FAMILY
It is clear from the released reports that a significant amount of time and effort has been spent on investigation of Sergio Celis and Becky’s brothers Bob Rodriguez and Justin Mastromarino as previously reported on www.blinkoncrime.com Mastromarino’s own niece Chelsea and her fiancée Danny Cline told a shoe salesperson and subsequently investigators that they believe he is a drug dealer and owes someone a great deal of money and Isa was taken for some purpose to satisfy that debt.
A truck owned by Bob Rodriguez was removed by warrant from in front of the Celis home without warning and a towel which tested negative for blood but reacted to luminol was taken into evidence as well as a pocket knife from its contents.
Blood evidence was found in the driver’s seat of the Toyota Corolla mostly driven by Sergio Celis and the red inoperable Acura as well as a stained shower curtain and white hat. Keeping in mind, Tucson PD released some documents that are heavily redacted as they are required via a freedom of information act request, by any standard; the completeness of the response teams and first responders to the scene and the surroundings was swift and MASSIVE.
Exactly one week earlier on April 13th, Sergio Celis received several criminal citations to include dogs running at large, without proper vaccinations and licenses. Celis pled not guilty during an arraignment on April 26th and is due back in court on June 4th.
At the risk of inserting a glib remark in the middle of such a macabre subject matter- Who let The Dogs Out? Who, Who Who?
Who prompted the report to Tucson City Police in the first place? Was someone attempting to have the animals removed from the residence a week earlier?
Do all the dogs belong to the Celis’s or are they housing them for a family member who now lives in an apartment and cannot keep a pet?
Perhaps this is an indication that what looks to be a fortified and nearly impenetrable without detection abode is, well, not so much. In a video of Isabel singing and dancing to an Abba song (undated but presumed recent) it is clear that the living room window, which shares the same outside wall as the window next to it separated by the interior wall Sergio references in his 911 call, is clearly open.
Celis LR Open BOC
On May 11, citing a previous CPS involvement in December of 2011 and “to provide time and distance” between Sergio and his two sons, Sergio Celis voluntarily agreed to a no contact order after a CPS meeting which was instigated by the detectives working on Isabel’s case- due to “information they learned in the course of the investigation” into Isabel’s disappearance.
What prompted the concerns exactly has not been made public and the order remains in effect. Becky Celis and Sergio’s sister refuted any allegations that Mr. Celis was anything but a model dog owner, Father and Husband at a public vigil for Isabel.
No doubt Sergio Celis’s use of the word abducted and his inappropriate lack of hysteria during the 911 call has made him a defacto suspect if only in the minds, thoughts… and blogs of those following Isabel’s case.
It is not the only oddity. During his first interview at the scene with police, Sergio states he is aware of the registered sex offender down the street, he knows him, and he does not believe him to be involved.
Is that a natural response of a parent who has knowledge of the sex offender status of a neighbor when he has just learned his child is missing?
That said, in the interviews of Sergio Celis’s employers who have known him for several years, he was found to be an exemplary employee, model husband and family man whose advice one dental surgeon sought often for his own personal situation.
It is standard protocol for detectives to conduct a parallel investigation of the victims family, in this case where a 6 year old child seemingly disappears from the window of her bedroom sometime between midnight and 6:30AM, with three dogs on the premises, a stranger abduction within the walls of what looks like a mini Alamo replica defies statistics and logic.
Or Does it?
Neighborly Concern
Matching footprints in the soft dirt around a green electric box along the south wall of the Celis home, on the top of the electric box and on a gas meter box – all along on the southeast perimeter of the wall leading to the alley ( S. Jefferson and E. Cooper) were found by a first response mobile team member and described as “wolverine” pattern as opposed to standard police issue work boots.
Alicia Sturdevant, the infamous neighbor lady who heard male voices outside Isabel’s window as well as barking dogs at 6:28 AM the morning of her disappearance, gave that account in her first interview adding to her credibility of a fresh witness account. Someone posting from another neighbor’s face book account belonging to a Chris Pike, an adult child sibling to a playmate of the Celis children seems to think Ms. Sturtevant’s account is untrue, but has not specified why.
By approximately 8:30AM the morning of Saturday April 21, Tucson Police Department has been on scene for several minutes, has completed initial interviews with the family, incident command has been established and officers begin the immediate knock and talk canvases in the hopes of finding Isabel, or information useful to locating her.
They begin next door and proceed door to door, upon reaching the home of Michael Dimitriov, who informs the officer that he is a RSO, one officer is requested to wait there for a detective interview, and requests to search the home and cars.
At approximately 8:40 Officer Bustamonte is greeted at the door by Alicia Gregory. She states she and her boyfriend went to bed at midnight but heard nothing unusual. According to the officer’s notes, he only speaks to Alicia, in fact, he spells her boyfriend’s name phonetically as he heard her say it: Nathan McDonell.
Mr. Nathan McDonald is not at the residence.
Officer Robinson is then directed to go to Freedom Park to continue search efforts for Isabel, as her team was playing the baseball game scheduled for that morning in her absence. Upon arrival, it was learned that only Isabel’s coach had been informed that she was missing during an earlier call from Sergio Celis.
As Robinson is circling back to receive further assignments in continuing efforts to find Isa, he is tasked with keeping track of vehicles leaving the immediate neighborhood of 12th and Van Buren and notes a green Jetta GLS parked to the East of Craycroft on E. 14th St. After running it’s plates to learn it is registered to a Nathan Patrick McDonald, resident of E. 12th St ., the officer informs Sgt. Dana, incident commander. A redacted portion of the conversation appears in the report.
This occurs at 10:15AM. Between 10:15 and 10:35, the officer observes McDonald emerge from the South end of the Wilshire Park field, carrying a large maglite. McDonald crosses through the middle of the field and when he reaches his vehicle, the officer approaches and McDonald confirms that the green Jetta is his vehicle. He tells him he had heard about the missing girl and was out searching tunnels and washes to the north and south where he found nothing.
McDonald “abruptly” informs the officer he must leave to go home to EAT BREAKFAST and leaves the area in his vehicle. BASTA informs ALL radio contact assigned of his exchange with the subject and a call to other officers on duty with orders to record all vehicles, including taking images of all vehicles currently parked on E. 12th st .
By 10:45AM all are instructed to stop, log plate and driver info and request consent search every vehicle coming in or out of the area.
Chris Lutzelberger, a resident of S. Essex St who likely observed the exchange between McDonald and the officer, asked him what all the police presence in the neighborhood was about.
Lutzelberger informed Robinson him that a man matching McDonald’s description was sitting on an electrical box located behind his residence earlier that morning from approximately 9AM-9:30Am at which time he told the individual to leave.
By 11AM, as security was requested by another officer at 11:23AM, a wash no more than 50 yards from where McDonald entered the south end of the park yielded a sheet, bed skirt, and a bag of clothes that were processed at the scene and taken into evidence.
A warrant was secured hours later at the McDonald/Gregory home on E. 12th St. Taken into evidence was a shoeprint on landscaping “fabric” from the backyard. Shoeprints were now collected on 3 other surface areas.
Part II publishes Monday June 4
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Perhaps that could be the reason he carried Isa on his shoulders when he would walk down to see his relatives. I don’t like my daughter & her husband taking too many late walks at night. We have many black snakes here, but sometimes at night a big copperhead goes out and also down these trails here.
I thought the snake was a figure of speech for an offender?
LOL, this site has given me a few chuckles the last couple of days.
Blink, you inspire me. I’m not just blowing smoke here… you’ve stood strong, kept it light, and never lost your sense of perspective, a balance not easily struck.
I believe the McDonald posting here is the actual Nathan McDonald. Amanda? Clearly, as Blink said, someone with an agenda. Hope to never read her posts again.
Hoping part two will shed some light on what happened to Isabella Mercedes… may she be at peace wherever she is. Prayers being sent to heaven for her right now.
I figured Texas Grandpa would have a field day with the tunnels map and I can’t wait for the Facty Facts to come out in Part ii!
It’s candy store time for you logical types!
Mel B
How do you block individual bloggers? I don’t think I would do so, but just in case! Ha.
I haven’t addressed the rattlesnack, 1) it’s too potent a symbol in literature/life and 2) I’m still skeeved over the dog/pig in the garbage behind the UPS store.
You know how it is when you just can’t go there?
Oh, okay, I’ll bite! (I love my jokes! hahaha)
Here’s an article about the rattlers, March 12, 2012
http://swdeserthomes.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-about-that-rattlesnake-time-again.html
Really? Y’all live with these critters? I’m glad I only have giant raccoons, possums, and cats to hang out in my shangri-la.
Scary for me!
BlackPearl, I briefly wondered about the snake also, but LE found it and didn’t seemed alarmed by it, so I figured it must be somewhat common in that area. There was also a decaying animal with fur or hair on it, in someone’s trash. I THINK it was described as possibly a dog or a pig. I thought that was a little strange, but again, LE didn’t seem alarmed by it.
Hi, I don’t comment often & doubt Mr. MacDonald will read this but just in case…the cardinal rule for helping find any missing child, re:Mark Klass, is to tell everything you know. Offer, yes offer, to take a lie detector test. The sooner you make your actions, whereabouts, etc. crystal clear, the sooner everyone moves on toward finding this dear child. Being defensive, mysterious, and secretive keeping the focus on you, not the other way around.
OT: Speaking of snakes, has anyone else had the pleasure of seeing the supposed Caysee Anthony web blog? For crimminy.
@Amy sister.
Ty and lol at the snake euphamism.
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June 5, 2012 at 4:53 pm
BlackPearl, I briefly wondered about the snake also, but LE found it and didn’t seemed alarmed by it, so I figured it must be somewhat common in that area. There was also a decaying animal with fur or hair on it, in someone’s trash. I THINK it was described as possibly a dog or a pig. I thought that was a little strange, but again, LE didn’t seem alarmed by it.
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Just to clarify -
The info about the decaying animal can be found in packet 6 on page 58. Found behind a UPS store on E. Irvington by David Bottineu.
Your are right Word Girl. Tracing the drain Northwest of Craycroft was a tricky task, but fun.
And the snake is exactly why searching the tunnels/culverts alone is dangerous. That they are mostly dry and dark is a perfect place for a snake.
There are plenty of snakes in the South and Southwestern states. Big rattlers, sidewinders, and a small desert rattler that gets about 30 inches long and is the color of sand. The pipeline and electrical maintenance crews South and West of San Antonio have a yearly contest to see which crew can collect the most rattles. They make a hoop from a stiff piece of wire and hang the hoop on the inside rearview mirror. Each set of rattles is put on the hoop as the snakes are killed.
There are a lot of areas in Tuscon that provide food and habitat for snakes. The police are not going to get excited over finding one.
One of our posters talked about keeping children out of the drainage structures because the sounds or calls for help would not be heard. That is false. Sound goes up more than it goes out. Ordinary conversations can be heard 100 feet above the surface without amplification.
We should not be suprised at how animals have adapted to living in an urban environment. First the little animals find a way to survive. Then the larger animals are attracted because of food supplies found in garbage cans and dumpsters and if that doesn’t work, there is always the smaller animals including domestic cats and dogs.
Thanks Blink, for doing what you do. Most everyone here appreciates the time you take to bring these issues to light.
ty
B
From pdf 6, page 23, LE report written on Saturday, April 21:
“I responded to [redacted] S Wilmot at 3:45pm as directed by Sgt. Dana #34954. There, I stood by at storage unit [redacted]. Detective Young #28171 later responded to the business. A search was completed on the storage unit, which was included in the search warrant.
Forty miscellaneous personal CD’s were recovered from the unit. Detective Young gave them to me. The storage unit was re-secured.
I then placed the CD’s into evidence at the Eastside Substation.
This concluded my involvement in this case.”
nope
B
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Was it mentioned anywhere in the released documents who’s storage unit on S Wilmot this is?
TIA
Why the tunnel?
B
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You got me, Blink. I have no clue and find that odd that he searched there. I get why everyone would check their own yards because kids can and do find their way into places you would not suspect. But off to the tunnel? I still don’t get it.
Nope.
B
They are.
B
Littlefish- with respect, I am not posting that, I have no intention of debating what is now a legal matter, we employ/retain folks to do that sort of thing, the costs of which are substantial and I most certainly am not going to do so in the middle of a thread that has been filled with voluminous posts that undeniably dilute what I seek to accomplish in discussions about the abduction of Isabel Celis.
Again respectfully, I sense your intention was to be helpful, even though your opinion was incorrect or I would not be responding to this at all and this will be MY last comment, and last comment I allow on the issue.
http://www.blinkoncrime.com is a Federally registered site with the US Copyright Office (note the baby c at the bottom, although it is not a requirement to display). Here is the full Title 17 and all of it’s glory:
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/
That copyright registration entitles me, the author/owner/publisher to exclusive rights. United States Copyright Law, Including, but not limited to, italics added by me:
United States copyright law provides that the owner of a copyright possesses certain exclusive rights, including the rights to reproduce the copyrighted work, to prepare derivatives of the work, to distribute copies of the work to the public and to display the work publicly.
Exclusive has the meaning you would expect. Exclusive means that only the copyright owner may exercise the copyright owner’s exclusive rights. It also means that anyone who exercises one of the exclusive rights possessed by the copyright owner may be liable for copyright infringement unless the person has a license from the copyright owner authorizing the use of the copyrighted work or the infringer’s use is allowed as a “fair use” of the work.. You can read the fair use doctrine in the above link I provided.
As you brought up the terms of use here, which btw, is an entirely separate and distinct issue, but please note this line (http://blinkoncrime.com/termsofuse.txt):
You grant us the right to display any information or material you send to this website.
AND
You also agree by posting here that any material you have posted is part of the public domain and does not violate any intellectual property rights.
Online publication is always part of the public domain, every word on here accessible by a reader is, but that does not transfer ownership of it, it just subjects it to copyright protection, which would be covered whether I specifically registered it or not. However, since it is registered, it allows certain immediate legal considerations to be proven, and not under dispute, as well as certain punitive and compensatory rights under the law. In addition, this is a moderated site which does not allow for anonymous posters, which is also a factor.
Outside of my permission or licensure for use, fair use doctrine, which is a very narrow scope, and any co-owner or collaborator which has express rights to do so under our copyright registration, nobody has the right but me/us (if applicable) to display it in violation of same.
This is not personal, this is professional responsibility and protected content, followed by derivatives of work ( comments to an article). For example, there would not be comments to an article if I did not author it, and I did, and it includes my expressions, period.
This is a clear issue, cut and dried.
How about this? I am sure you work hard for your money, and to pay your bills for things that you enjoy the exclusive use of, right? Would it be ok with you, without asking, if I come to your house, where your keys are on your counter, and I just decide I like yours better, and I want to use it.
So I take your car without permission, and then, because it benefits me to do so in some way, I pick up a few friends who fill the gas tank at their expense a few times, and maybe pay some maintnance.
Because you did not give me permission, but you really did not “not” give me permission because I interpreted you leaving your keys out was your way of telling me.. “Hey take mine if you like it!”
So now you must take off work without pay, rent a car at your own expense, while trying to contact me to tell me “even if this was a misunderstanding on MY part, and likely brought on by exacerbation by stress” You should apologize to me because I really did leave the keys out.
I am not being condescending in any way. I am presenting your scenario in an analagous way I hope you can see how utterly inappropriate (intentionally mild) it is.
Now factor in, what if your keys were really in a locked cabinet and underneath it says ” These keys belong to me, they are my property, if you want to use them, you must have permission, if not, you are stealing my car and I am going to remedy that with all available protections of same afforded me, that come with that locked cabinet you broke into.
Hopefully, you see this for what it is. Last post on the topic, I apologize in advance to most of you who already know all of this, and for the time it took out of your day to read it as I know this is not what you come here for.
Respectfully Submitted, Blink
Is it possible Mr. McDonald had a run in with the rattler, killed it, and left it for dead?
http://www.examiner.com/article/police-looking-at-suspects-persons-of-interest-isabel-celis-case
I’ve asked previously about whether all the Celis children were Sergio’s and Rebecca’s biological offspring and was told that they were. In the above article, I read once again that the 2 boys were turned over to their bio-mother who is Sergio’s ex-wife. Why the confusion about such a cut and dried issue?
BAD REPORTING.
B
Good Job on the copyright issue Blink.
Littlefish
Intelectual property ownership has been a recognized legal right as have patents for almost 1,000 years. Our Constitution makes provision for patents and copyrights. These laws have been in existance since the inception of our country.
Within my memory there was the major revision to copyright in 1904 to include things like content of phonograph records. This law was in existance in the United States until 1973 when the law was rewritten to give broader protection to the various media thaat could contain intellectual property. That law has been ammended in small ways to cover additional media such as this blog site.
I percieve that you are a young person who has seen efforts by those of your generation to ignore legal ownership in such things as written work, computer program code, and material in textbooks. Your professors a college have streatched this concept to the break point.
People make money from intellectual effort and they are by law entitled to do so.
Using intellectual property without permission is theft as Blink pointed out. Good citizens do not steal from one another.
If you do not mind, I would like to tag on the end of your post a heartfelt hug to lizzygoat.
She has one of the best “hats” out there, lol, and I do not want her to feel any of this discussion is anything to with her. She is best in class, and I respect her greatly.
B
Good analogy with the keys, Blink.
TY
B
Point of interest on the blood found at the home . First both parents are in Healthcare and work in areas where there is lots of blood. It can get on your shoes, cloths etc. being an ER nurse as I am , I often found my self with blood on my shoes , that I did not know it was there , it does not even need to be very visable to transfer it to some other place. Health care professional often change their clothes when they leave an Operating room or ER, but rarely change shoes. Second luminal is used to identify other substances beside blood and will show positive for things that have copper in it . We all know how much copper is present in the soil around Tucson.
OK, so we can assume that the dead rattler isn’t a big deal– they’re common in the area and LE didn’t seem weirded out by it.
But why would someone dump the carcass in the middle of the road?
And Mr. McDonald, if you’re still reading and posting, weren’t you afraid of running into a rattlesnake while searching the washes, tunnels, and drains in the area?
Nevermind hugs and respect…..get back to work on part 2……the suspense is killing me!!! (joking)
private just checking to see if im logged in haveing pc issues
not. You are here.
B
Is Part II being published today?
Amanda says:
June 4, 2012 at 12:42 am
BLINK, i have been reading everything you all are writing and i have to say where i have gotten lost in the verbage, the lingo and the rants going on and on about Mr Was onr wasnt inthe tunnels, i have to say you have kept up with such poise and consistancy. I ^5 you…I commend you for your point blank hard onthe nose responses, great work! YOU go girl! im with everyone else, i am not sure MR McDonald and or Amanda are affiliated?? One skirts around the truth almost as if he is a serial taunter, taunting you, using phrases such as ” if i did or if i did not do this or that” WTF?? That kind of statment right there and the evading of answers and questions from other posters, it seems he wants to entertain us more with his quoting, and use of language,sentence structure….. his use of words and how he manipulates his sentence structure to where you cant figure out if he is taunting, telling the truth or misleading…is telling indeed. his choice of words seems careful…hmmmmm then Amanda comes in here and does the same to defend him but while she defends him she almost taunts and teases the scenerios as well. Quote ” she wants to celebrate your accuracy but in the same paragraph hopes Mr Mcdonald sues the pants off of you?” that is rude, taunting and viscious snarl to say the least. I hope these people go away, they think they are coy but they are making a mockery of themselves indeed! TELLING VERY TELLING…i may not be educated as you all but that is very TELLING. actions speak louder than words and refraining from going on a public forum when you claim to be innocent seems very telling to me. TO Mr Mcdonald, Blink and her crew do not owe you anything and never will…. frankly they never claim to be anything other than advocates and voices for the victims…YOU are not a victim, you are an insertion to something that is criminal…if you dont want to be the minority of all the rest of the population then quit acting ecentric and self absorbed BLink keep doing what you do, the ultimate advocate for the victim
ATG, may I ask why you think that Littlefish is a young person who may know of legal ownership in the areas you listed? (And yes, I do know that age brings wisdom, but that’s a great deal of perception!
If only I will attain a morsel of such!)
“I percieve that you are a young person who has seen efforts by those of your generation to ignore legal ownership in such things as written work, computer program code, and material in textbooks.”
(A Texas Grandfather, June 6, 2012, 12:29 pm)
It is waaaay beyond concerning and waaaay beyond sad, that no one from 6-year old Isabel’s family is speaking out FOR HER.
NO ONE.
Not her mother, not her grandmothers, not her grandfathers, not the aunt who was said to be close . . . NO ONE.
ROTFL
B
wpg…It makes me upset that noone is speaking out for Isabel as well.
Nurse Sadie
I agree wpg, I think this is weird and very sad. Segio’s parents appear old and ill and does not appear that he has a large extended family at least in Tucson. But Becky seems to have ton’s of extended family in the area . I noted in the police reports they highlight that Sergio’s employers were questioned, a favorable response but what about Becky , no statement from her co-workers , no statement from TMC . I don’t get it! Isa does not have a voice! There must be a reason that all of Becky’s family is silent. There must be a reason that ISA does not have any voice from all those people that say they love her!
wpg says:
June 6, 2012 at 6:07 pm
It is waaaay beyond concerning and waaaay beyond sad, that no one from 6-year old Isabel’s family is speaking out FOR HER.
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Yes, once again, it seems strangers care more about a missing child, this time little Isabel, than her own parents and family. Sergio & Rebecca seem to be in hiding, making the rare appearance with Becky in her purple t-shirt, but they certainly aren’t searching.
I find it disturbing that Tucson Medical Center (Becky’s employer) is still collecting money for the “search” via the Isabel Mercedes Celis Foundation. Link attached. Ummm, there are no searches. Do they really need more flyers, t-shirts, coffee mugs? “For the family’s needs” seems more likely. Has either parent returned to work? Sergio may have a problem but Becky can work.
https://www.tmcaz.com/TMCFoundation
Prayers for Isa.
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Gotta say that Amanda seems very articulate and educated, I even had to look us some of her words! I would love to know who she is too.
Meister, one hat per poster please, I changed it, please use that for posting here. Thanks in advance.
B
Word Girl
My perception about the age of littlefish was developed by the language used by Blink in explaining her position. As you saw, Blink did not allow any text from Littlefish.
My comment was basically a historical review. It would be considered an introduction to the subject and would be expanded in detail if it were to be presented in a lecture.
As you know, I am also a musician. The musical world has lost millions of dollars to theft of intellectual property. This is usually done by young people who simply cannot understand the reasons for copyright protection. Based on Blink’s argument, I thought that Littlefish probably fit that pattern. It is just my opinion. However, it may be someone a little older.
And of course I don’t mind if Blink tags something of value onto one of my posts.
She responded, and my analogy was not meant to sound condescending, I hope it was not seen that way by anyone, especially Littlefish. I really think the issue is a difficult one for many who feel they have opinions or resources to review.
B
Nurse Sadie says:
June 6, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Health care professional often change their clothes when they leave an Operating room or ER, but rarely change shoes.
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I don’t know if blood on shoes from the hospital is even a possibility in this case, but don’t many docs and nurses, surgery techs, etc. wear shoe covers, kinda like a gown for your shoes? I thought they had to, but when I have been cut on, I wasn’t exactly looking at everyone’s feet in the OR.
thanks!
Black Pearl
The carcus of the snake could have been left where it was killed. Someone in a vehicle could have run over it. Many people do not carry anything in their vehicle to safely move the snake. Others are too afraid of snakes to even make the effort to move it.
Blink, I know you want to end this line of discussion, as do I and probably everyone else, but I ask that you allow me to respond to ATG’s comment about me and defend myself and my unpublished comment. I feel that is only fair. After that, sleeping dogs will lie!
ATG, I believe that youth is a state of mind, and at 42, I still consider myself young. I graduated from college without ever plagiarizing; as a business executive, I created my own materials without stealing others’ work; I do not illegally download music or movies; I have also edited two published non-fiction works. So, I do respect copyrights and am not an uneducated, ignorant person.
When the topic of Mr. McDonald’s comments here being shared on another website came up, it led me to further research the issue as I’m a visitor on both sites and wanted to get the facts straight before forming an opinion on whether or not someone did something wrong. As I learned from an intellectual property attorney when editing books, it’s not always simple and clear.
ATG, I understand that since Blink chose not to display my comment (as is her right), your statements are only based on Blink’s response to my comment and what you assume I wrote to generate that response. No harm, no foul. In the future, I would ask that you judge me solely by my own actual known comments.
As we all agree, it’s best to move on from this topic so I will end this by saying that I was only trying to be helpful by sharing legal information I’d found on copyright ownership of comments posted on a blog. I did not accuse anyone of doing anything wrong, and I certainly support Blink’s protection of her articles (of which I never disputed her copyright ownership). I totally agree with Blink’s analogy, although it’s not exactly the same as the point I made in my unpublished comment. Blink and I will just have to respectfully agree to disagree on the legal interpretation of what constitutes derivatives of her work and what is the intellectual creation of the commenter him/herself.
Moving on…waiting eagerly for Part II and hoping for a break in the case soon! Prayers for Isa
Fair Littlefish, but fwiw, ATG was not being condescending if it came off that way.
I am not saying necessarily that comments are a derivative of my work, under copyright language, I have an attorney who certifies those sorts of things, I am saying as this sites sole author, with the exception of research credits or if I were to grant license or permission to use my authorship, nobody has the right to hijack my material, including accompanying comments, because all of it is my expression as it is moderated, and I responded to many of them, so it is also a breach to present one side out of context, or my expression, outside of Title 17.
The reference you gave was not accurrate to the terms of copyright protections of http://www.blinkoncrime.com. I did not post it for that reason, and I did not want 20 posts of how that was not correct and you feeling like you got pounced on- because trust me that would have happened. There are more lawyers on here in a day than at the courthouse, lol, and one of the BOC editors is one. (criminal)
That said, I know you were trying to be helpful and I trust from your response I have provided you with an additional perspective. I should also disclose that although copyright of authorship is AUTOMATIC when you publish to the web, seeking remedy for same should their be an infingement on someone’s work, is not, thus why we registered as we did. It came from an infringement of my work that was not yet published online (pre BOC). By agreement, I cannot tell you the “who” but I can say it was a National and local media affiliate while covering the Anthony case. A piece appeared in print and on the news, local and national, that this person had broken a major news story. I texted this person in the make up chair about to appear to claim same. They responded.. who is this, lol.
Long story short, this is an area where there is no gray area whatsoever, the ownership of everything is presumptive in the eyes of the law and their is no innocent use defense when the offender (instant issue) is exercising knowledge of google rankings and intentionally not crediting in a title or piece.
I realize many do not know how that works exactly, but Mr. Hyatt does.
So much so, that the word website is spelled wrong in the first “scrape”.
This does not even touch on the fact that I get to say where my work is displayed, and if I take the time and resource commitments to publish it through my expression, and moderate it’s discussion the way I do, to insure that individual poster is not disrespected, or no vitriol is seeping out the bottom, it is my right to NOT want it to appear on a site that lets anonymous posters make wild accusations, outright lies and personal attacks on people by name, although the keyboard cowboys post anonymously.
My personal fave was the poster (para) that said something to the effect that he uses other sites work all the time and never provides links or credit, what is the big deal? Oye.
Mr. McDonald posted HERE. He did that voluntarily based on that article, he at no time that I am aware of gave permission for use of his words to be displayed in the way they have been on the other site, and if I were him, I can tell you right now, I would be on the horn with my attorney.
I did not use his name in the title for a reason, again as is my right as an author and expressor.
Even what is called “quotes” of his if they were simply referenced require linkage, and are required to be short snippets.
Mr. McDonald was treated respectfully, and given every opportunity to discuss anything he wished to here, AND he did so in his own name, never requesting anonymity. That is also a game changer when someone decides to use those words in part, out of context, and without permission.
B
ps. now, for real, moving on.
Hello, I’m new to this site (within a week or so) but have been following with great interest. It is probably obvious, but for some reason, I can’t find where to read Part 2 of Isabel Celis story. Could you provide me with some guidance please on how to find it? Thanks very much.
Welcome MB, has not been published yet, will post in this thread when it is.
B
from Blink’s article:
“Becky Celis and Sergio’s sister refuted any allegations that Mr. Celis was anything but a model dog owner, Father and Husband at a public vigil for Isabel.”
Okay, I’d like to address the “model dog owner”.
Been checking
http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/
regularly for an update on SC’s criminal dog charges case
(with the potential of a criminal record AND HEAVY monetary fine$).
Update:
10/9/2012 CAL: HRNG-SIS DIVERSION
6/4/2012 CAL: PRETRIAL-ASSIGNED
6/4/2012 MOTION: DEF-TO CONTINUE
6/4/2012 DIVERSION: ORDERED
So, like, this is just speculation on my part.
SC allegedly on April 26 plead Not Guilty and as a result, the case was continued to June 4 as noted previously by a “pretrial assigned”.
He is now going into a Diversion Program of sorts to be completed
(kind of like some of those with DUI’s agree to attend educational classes and random testing).
Is this sort of like, yeah okay I’m guilty of something, BUT BUT BUT I have an excuse and am willing to enter into a Diversion Program so “at the end of the day” I won’t have a criminal record and the charges may be dismissed and I may not have any monetary fines?
No sure what kind of Diversion Programs may be applicable in this case of letting dogs run loose, not having the dogs vaccinated which requires examinations by a Veterenarian, and not have licenses which require proof of vaccinations?
Blink, Blinksters?
Thank you!
it may be because these dogs are not his but were on his property and belong to someone like Justin or other family members and friends, Not sure if you have liability if they are staying at you home but you do not have ownership. If the dogs are in his fenced yard causing a disturbances then I am sure if the property is in his name he has some liability. Tucson is a hot bed about dogs with the number and publicity the pit bulls have caused. Really is this anything to do with Isa? doubt it ! Who cares about a dog issue, there are many folks in this world that have unlicensed dogs, you see this in ER all the time when patients come for treatment of dog bites. A license is only to control rabies, as a health issue.
TPD told Arizona Public Media on Monday they now have suspects and persons of interest and are at a very busy part of the investigation!
@wpg – Attending a humane education class. I suppose it’s a class that teaches responsible pet ownership.
http://cms3.tucsonaz.gov/prosecutor/diversion
Diversion provides many first-time offenders of specified categories of misdemeanors an opportunity to participate in relevant counseling rather than proceeding through the court system and establishing a criminal record. Through counseling and classes, participants are guided toward alternative methods of managing and understanding the kind of behavior that lead to criminal activity.
Participants who successfully complete diversion receive a dismissal of the misdemeanor charge(s) from Tucson City Court and avert the development of a criminal record.
How it Happens
Prosecutors offer eligible defendants the diversion option at their arraignment (first appearance) ONLY. Those who accept are directed to Southwestern Intervention Services, Inc. S.I.S. provides cost-effective, professional intake, assessment, referral, and monitoring, including referral to one of 27 local counseling agencies. Participants cited with substance abuse charges attend substance abuse counseling. Participants cited for shoplifting, disorderly conduct, theft, etc. attend adult responsibility classes. Participants cited for specific animal code violations attend a humane education class.
In addition to collecting appropriate program fees and documents, S.I.S. tracks defendants’ progress in counseling, takes appropriate action with those who fail to comply with program requirements, and prepares the documentation when defendants successfully complete the diversion program. The entire cost of the program is $200.00, payable upon registration.
Littlefish
I appreciate your comments and the fact that you still consider yourself young. We are what we decide to be.
My perception paragraph did not state that you personally engaged in intellectual property theft. If you read it carefully, you will find that it states “has seen efforts”. There is no doubt in my mind that if you went to college, you could not escape the knowledge that some engaged in that activity.
Blink’s key analogy was so simple, but to the point, that it made me think of someone in their early twenties who needed that much help in getting a clear understanding.
I am glad to see you reading and posting on this site. We always need good minds as advocates for those who cannot speak for themselves. We also continue to learn from one another. The broader our knowledge base, the more we can contribute.
Laurie O
Yes they do wear shoe covers in the OR during the procedures!But they do not always wear them after they leave the operating suite but are still in an area where they can get things on their shoes. However , in all the the ER’s I have worked they do not wear them in the ER! I dont know the process & procedures here in Tucson or at either place of employment. Some folks ( Nurses etc) change their shoes when they leave but in my experience many wear Croc’s and they wear them in the ER and home. Shoe covers are not as protective as one would think as they are a form of paper.
Hey, Littlefish. I guessed your name might mean “littlefish in a big pond,” thereby alerting us to your visiting status. I didn’t think you were young or uneducated because of Blink’s reply to you. I was actually wishing she had posted it because of the difficulty of applying (first, understanding), copyright law. Blink, however, had a reason for not printing your comment. Usually she’s right when she does that (and for which I am personally gratefully times over.)
It was ATG that I wanted to drawout about his preconception of who you were and what you were about. If I caused some issues and perhaps you feel less engaged or decide not to post here, I do apologize. I hope you will stay.
ATG, you probably know why I addressed you. We’ve had discussions in the past about how you have preconceived ideas about people and their behavior. You hadn’t read a word from this poster before you decided she was young, ignorant, and disrespectful about copyright laws, especially those pertaining to music.Do you see how you do this? I often feel disappointed when you make those decisions and pronouncements because I feel you are about so much more than that.
I had hoped Mom 3.0′s posts to you would have cautioned you–or given you a wakeup call-about doing that so frequently. I get that you’re older and wiser–I would hate to add the words intolerant and biased to man who is very proud of himself and his accomplishments.
All posters here have something to say. I try to keep an open mind and acknowledge that I don’t have all the answers. I’m not always successful at that, I realize. I don’t want to be in a position where I judge a person through their words at this website. It certainly doesn’t progress justice for the missing, many of whom were judged as expendable.
skimming back briefly, without close analysis,
nevertheless I feel NM’s writing style/structure
is quite similar to Amanda’s. Word Girl’s eye?
@Nurse Sadie says:
June 7, 2012 at 1:54 pm
TPD told Arizona Public Media on Monday they now have suspects and persons of interest and are at a very busy part of the investigation!
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Hi, do you have a link to this info?