Isabel Celis Abduction BREAKING NEWS: Docs Show Blood In Bedroom Police Eye Family AND Neighbor
*LIVE TONIGHT On THE DANA PRETZER SHOW Blink Discusses The Isabel Celis Case*
After 550 plus pages of what amounts to discovery in a likely criminal case, Friday afternoon yielded a window to the world of the investigation of missing 6 year old Isabel Mercedes Celis.
Isa, according to the document release consisting of 6 packets of PDF files of police incident and timesheet reports was last seen by her Father who kissed her goodnight and dimmed her bedroom light after showering and braiding of her hair by her Mother Becky in anticipation of her baseball game the next morning with the Diamondbacks.
Isabel’s baseball Jersey number is #4.
The “goodnight kiss” was the first time the public has heard the actual version in his words containing the account that he was the last person to see Isabel before her disappearance as well as confirm that her window was closed when he closed the door.
Certainly not unexpected to hear a loving father’s tender goodnight detail to his baby girl, but most unexpected was the revelation that on Isabel’s bedroom floor was an obvious area of blood.
While it has not been disclosed whose blood was located on the floor of the southeast middle bedroom located on E 12th St, Sergio and Becky Celis were required to provide blood samples under a warrant obtained a few days later.
The Usual Suspects- FAMILY
It is clear from the released reports that a significant amount of time and effort has been spent on investigation of Sergio Celis and Becky’s brothers Bob Rodriguez and Justin Mastromarino as previously reported on www.blinkoncrime.com Mastromarino’s own niece Chelsea and her fiancée Danny Cline told a shoe salesperson and subsequently investigators that they believe he is a drug dealer and owes someone a great deal of money and Isa was taken for some purpose to satisfy that debt.
A truck owned by Bob Rodriguez was removed by warrant from in front of the Celis home without warning and a towel which tested negative for blood but reacted to luminol was taken into evidence as well as a pocket knife from its contents.
Blood evidence was found in the driver’s seat of the Toyota Corolla mostly driven by Sergio Celis and the red inoperable Acura as well as a stained shower curtain and white hat. Keeping in mind, Tucson PD released some documents that are heavily redacted as they are required via a freedom of information act request, by any standard; the completeness of the response teams and first responders to the scene and the surroundings was swift and MASSIVE.
Exactly one week earlier on April 13th, Sergio Celis received several criminal citations to include dogs running at large, without proper vaccinations and licenses. Celis pled not guilty during an arraignment on April 26th and is due back in court on June 4th.
At the risk of inserting a glib remark in the middle of such a macabre subject matter- Who let The Dogs Out? Who, Who Who?
Who prompted the report to Tucson City Police in the first place? Was someone attempting to have the animals removed from the residence a week earlier?
Do all the dogs belong to the Celis’s or are they housing them for a family member who now lives in an apartment and cannot keep a pet?
Perhaps this is an indication that what looks to be a fortified and nearly impenetrable without detection abode is, well, not so much. In a video of Isabel singing and dancing to an Abba song (undated but presumed recent) it is clear that the living room window, which shares the same outside wall as the window next to it separated by the interior wall Sergio references in his 911 call, is clearly open.
Celis LR Open BOC
On May 11, citing a previous CPS involvement in December of 2011 and “to provide time and distance” between Sergio and his two sons, Sergio Celis voluntarily agreed to a no contact order after a CPS meeting which was instigated by the detectives working on Isabel’s case- due to “information they learned in the course of the investigation” into Isabel’s disappearance.
What prompted the concerns exactly has not been made public and the order remains in effect. Becky Celis and Sergio’s sister refuted any allegations that Mr. Celis was anything but a model dog owner, Father and Husband at a public vigil for Isabel.
No doubt Sergio Celis’s use of the word abducted and his inappropriate lack of hysteria during the 911 call has made him a defacto suspect if only in the minds, thoughts… and blogs of those following Isabel’s case.
It is not the only oddity. During his first interview at the scene with police, Sergio states he is aware of the registered sex offender down the street, he knows him, and he does not believe him to be involved.
Is that a natural response of a parent who has knowledge of the sex offender status of a neighbor when he has just learned his child is missing?
That said, in the interviews of Sergio Celis’s employers who have known him for several years, he was found to be an exemplary employee, model husband and family man whose advice one dental surgeon sought often for his own personal situation.
It is standard protocol for detectives to conduct a parallel investigation of the victims family, in this case where a 6 year old child seemingly disappears from the window of her bedroom sometime between midnight and 6:30AM, with three dogs on the premises, a stranger abduction within the walls of what looks like a mini Alamo replica defies statistics and logic.
Or Does it?
Neighborly Concern
Matching footprints in the soft dirt around a green electric box along the south wall of the Celis home, on the top of the electric box and on a gas meter box – all along on the southeast perimeter of the wall leading to the alley ( S. Jefferson and E. Cooper) were found by a first response mobile team member and described as “wolverine” pattern as opposed to standard police issue work boots.
Alicia Sturdevant, the infamous neighbor lady who heard male voices outside Isabel’s window as well as barking dogs at 6:28 AM the morning of her disappearance, gave that account in her first interview adding to her credibility of a fresh witness account. Someone posting from another neighbor’s face book account belonging to a Chris Pike, an adult child sibling to a playmate of the Celis children seems to think Ms. Sturtevant’s account is untrue, but has not specified why.
By approximately 8:30AM the morning of Saturday April 21, Tucson Police Department has been on scene for several minutes, has completed initial interviews with the family, incident command has been established and officers begin the immediate knock and talk canvases in the hopes of finding Isabel, or information useful to locating her.
They begin next door and proceed door to door, upon reaching the home of Michael Dimitriov, who informs the officer that he is a RSO, one officer is requested to wait there for a detective interview, and requests to search the home and cars.
At approximately 8:40 Officer Bustamonte is greeted at the door by Alicia Gregory. She states she and her boyfriend went to bed at midnight but heard nothing unusual. According to the officer’s notes, he only speaks to Alicia, in fact, he spells her boyfriend’s name phonetically as he heard her say it: Nathan McDonell.
Mr. Nathan McDonald is not at the residence.
Officer Robinson is then directed to go to Freedom Park to continue search efforts for Isabel, as her team was playing the baseball game scheduled for that morning in her absence. Upon arrival, it was learned that only Isabel’s coach had been informed that she was missing during an earlier call from Sergio Celis.
As Robinson is circling back to receive further assignments in continuing efforts to find Isa, he is tasked with keeping track of vehicles leaving the immediate neighborhood of 12th and Van Buren and notes a green Jetta GLS parked to the East of Craycroft on E. 14th St. After running it’s plates to learn it is registered to a Nathan Patrick McDonald, resident of E. 12th St ., the officer informs Sgt. Dana, incident commander. A redacted portion of the conversation appears in the report.
This occurs at 10:15AM. Between 10:15 and 10:35, the officer observes McDonald emerge from the South end of the Wilshire Park field, carrying a large maglite. McDonald crosses through the middle of the field and when he reaches his vehicle, the officer approaches and McDonald confirms that the green Jetta is his vehicle. He tells him he had heard about the missing girl and was out searching tunnels and washes to the north and south where he found nothing.
McDonald “abruptly” informs the officer he must leave to go home to EAT BREAKFAST and leaves the area in his vehicle. BASTA informs ALL radio contact assigned of his exchange with the subject and a call to other officers on duty with orders to record all vehicles, including taking images of all vehicles currently parked on E. 12th st .
By 10:45AM all are instructed to stop, log plate and driver info and request consent search every vehicle coming in or out of the area.
Chris Lutzelberger, a resident of S. Essex St who likely observed the exchange between McDonald and the officer, asked him what all the police presence in the neighborhood was about.
Lutzelberger informed Robinson him that a man matching McDonald’s description was sitting on an electrical box located behind his residence earlier that morning from approximately 9AM-9:30Am at which time he told the individual to leave.
By 11AM, as security was requested by another officer at 11:23AM, a wash no more than 50 yards from where McDonald entered the south end of the park yielded a sheet, bed skirt, and a bag of clothes that were processed at the scene and taken into evidence.
A warrant was secured hours later at the McDonald/Gregory home on E. 12th St. Taken into evidence was a shoeprint on landscaping “fabric” from the backyard. Shoeprints were now collected on 3 other surface areas.
Part II publishes Monday June 4
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It is amazing that there seems to be such a casual attitude towards crime in Tucson, or maybe that the media seems not interested and they do not apply pressure to the LE to be more forth coming. I agree the story about the little girls that were assaulted at the grandparents has disappeared off the radar , as the murder of the 16 year old that was found with her throat slashed after she was dumped out of a car. The children that are being kidnapped along the border etc. The news programs are all about the weather, fires,SB1070. They ignore the crime no follow up by the media and it leaves the average resident to either become numb to the crime or frustrated at what appears to be very poor work by the TPD and I add local FBI , as they are as silent as the TPD and the parents on this case.
Blink, I’ve been following quietly for awhile, but I can’t help but inform people that Arizona has been victim to kidnappings and Mexican drug cartel violence for several years. Generally, this has been reported in Phoenix, but I have a hard time believing that Tucson is not equally affected (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6848672&page=1). I expect this is why crimes against children become somewhat un-newsworthy in the area.
JMO, but I believe there is a strong alliance between drug cartels and pedophiles. Organized crime seldom only deals with one industry.
My mind goes to horrific scenarios about Isabel…
Wow Packleader5
the Tucson PD , FBI etc must see this as just another abduction for what ever reason but certainly if not pedophile , then narco crime . Which the family might be aware of some family members connection. The link take us to an article written in 2009 , is Arizona still the kidnapping capital?
Miss Bri says:
June 13, 2012 at 5:47 am
…Wayyyy creepy
https://www.facebook.com/SnakeBoy
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That’s a highly sexualized FB page, IMO. Reminds me of Susan Powell’s father in law.
THUD.
Echo.. Echo.. Echo..
B
I would like to think that Isabels case has not went cold-
Blink are you still planning to do a part 2?
Yep, next week.
B
I am appalled that the Tucson Medical Center continues to fund Rebecca & Sergio Celis. I’m being repetitive, I know, but when is someone on the board of the “Foundation” going to admit there are NO searches? The only searches have been conducted by LE, paid for by taxpayers, not the Celis family.
If I lived in Tucson, I’d be scheduling meetings with the hospital’s PR rep. The parents have hidden out and Isabel is becoming quickly forgotten. Prayers for you, Isabel! We care and we won’t forget.
https://www.tmcaz.com/TMCFoundation
how much colder can it get, nothing from TPD or FBI, and the parents and family have gone underground? If the child was released near her home where would she go to find them,if they are not living there? They are invisable at least in the media, maybe they have resumed life as usual. Have they been to the volunteer center ? Did they wash cars? Are they holding prayer and candle light events? Are they working with the Marc Klass organization to try to find her? If it was my child the media would get sick of my face because I was trying to get as much media cover as possible. I would be in Mexico walking the streets, I would have hired my own PI! But it appears that everyone just wants this to go cold. The money that has been raised is to help find her so money does not appear to be the issue, motivation seems to be the issue! So cold case if not now soon!
Did I somehow miss Part 2 of this?
Hello Nurse Sadie, I understand and share your frustration and although I am concerned that this may become a cold case I am not ready to throw my hands up and declare it as such just yet.
Just because you and I do not know what TPD is doing does not mean they are not ACTIVELY pursuing viable leads and info.
You say if you were her parent you would not give up yet here you are essentially giving up.
Please take a step back and for one moment try to assume the parents are innocent of all wrongdoing- just for a minute while doing so try to keep in mind that they are parents of two other children- try for a moment to see the desperation they must feel. What good would walking the streets of mexico do? What good would going on every talk show do? what good would spending every waking moment at the volunteer center do?
Just because they are not out doing interviews does not mean they think this is a cold case or that they are guilty of harming Isa-
Perhaps for the sake of their other children they have decided to stay out of the medias harsh lights- perhaps they are working diligently behind the scenes or perhaps they have just given up hope of being reunited with Isa…perhaps they feel defeated and feel that nothing THEY can do will bring Isa home safely perhaps they are overwhelmed with despair the kind of despair that makes it hard to move- hard to talk -hard to think -hard to carry on.
I would never want to be in the place of parents who have a child who is missing- disappeared- I would never claim to know what I would do nor would I claim to withstand the scrutiny that befalls all parents of missing children – despite innocence I can not claim to know I would not immediately break down lose my mind and forever be rendered mute due to my extreme sadness worry and grief.
–We cant not say yet if Isa’s parents are guilty or innocent of wrong doing – we can share our doubts and hope for the best-
I am hoping for the best- and until further info becomes available I will continue to try and give the benefit of the doubt- despite my own doubts-
and I definitely will not write this off as a cold case Just yet- instead I will offer my prayers to Isa and to the police dept- may they find her soon.
AJMO
Peace
AJMO
I know the pain of such loss and I understand what you are saying , and can appreciate the level of sadness they are feeling . I do however struggle with the lack of action, you might not think it is unusual but I do. Yes they have other children , I get that . But they have a daughter who has been missing for almost two months. I assume that the TPD may be doing something but they work for the citizens of Tucson and have a responsibility to keep the citizens informed . Folks that live in Tucson with young children need to know if there is a crazy pedophile leaping into bedrooms or is there another reason for Isa to go missing. No comment is un-acceptable in my view. Parents who appear to be doing nothing is un-acceptable and many people are struggling with. So I get all that you are saying to justify the reality that this case is cold. See the definition of a cold case . The National Institute of Justice currently defines a cold case as any case whose probative investigative leads have been exhausted. In essence, this means a case that is only a few months old may be defined as being “cold.
My prayer is as always she is alive and safe and will be rejoined with her family but work needs to be done to make that happen .
Nurse Sadie-
Im not sure if what you wrote began with the disclaimer of AJMO-(All Just My Opinion) or if I accidentally made you think my Handle is AJMO-
Im sorry if that is the case- my name is Mom3.0 Hi Nurse Sadie.
Thank you for responding to my thoughts- I was very sorry to read that you understand the pain of such a loss-
I struggle with the lack of action too Nurse Sadie- and although I cant say if it is unusual or not- those actions or inactions are not what concerns me about the parents-
What concerns me is the behaviors of that morning and the 911 calls and the lack of timelines
When did dad have time to search for Isa wake the boys search again call mom send boy off to search alone- boy speaks with many people- calls 911 after dads call – which dads call was placed at 8:15 IIRC…not sure… but dad calmly calls 911 and claims abduction- thats SCARY yet brother is out looking- dad seems unphased about safety of brother roaming the same neighborhood his little girl was taken from —in fact he seems unafraid and calmly states his other little boy is in the garage waiting for mom to return…I assume alone- in the same house Isa was “abducted” from…. Isnt he afraisd they to are targets? Then I am also concerned about the possible blood on floor- why the dogs did not alert- were they in the house could they roam freely?
It also concerns me that noone seems to know what she was wearing- is this because her outfit was left behind…or possibly found later…or mom and dad just innocently cant remember? IDK
The maybe talk around the window that the neighbor may have heard… also concerns me as again what is the timeline dad returns to bed at 5 am mom awakens leaves for work dad wakes up sees her gone searches wakes boys searches….call at 8 15ish? whats the timeline???
The CPS contact and removal of dad also concerns me… and yes Nurse Sadie some of their behaviors in the aftermath bother me- but I have nothing to base that feeling of concern on except some of it seems strange to me…but I dont know them and I dont know if these behaviors are normal for them… or fit into the spectrum of “normal” for parents of missing children.
Before this gets too long Ill end it and cont with my thoughts on LE and a cold case etc. in part 2
AJMO
Peace
Part 2
me again Nurse Sadie- you wrote:
“I assume that the TPD may be doing something but they work for the citizens of Tucson and have a responsibility to keep the citizens informed. ”
and
“Folks that live in Tucson with young children need to know if there is a crazy pedophile leaping into bedrooms or is there another reason for Isa to go missing. No comment is un-acceptable in my view.”
Again, as a parent, I understand and share your frustration- and I agree that LE work for us. Their duty is to serve and protect.
We ofcourse want to be informed- but it is not their responsibility to keep us informed of everything-
They must protect the integrity of the case and the evidence- Do I think they could be more forth coming? possibly- but so early on, I just cant say definitely yes they are too tight-lipped…
Afterall, They had press conferences in the beginning- and they have shared lots of docs-
They have said alot Nurse Sadie without coming right out and saying it-
and as for warning the citizenry that there may be a predator out there— well, ofcourse there is- there are many- and sadly we as parents and neighbors and friends must vigilantly be on the look out for these predators- Isa isnt the first child to disappear sadly and she wont be the last unfortunately- and whether or not she or they were taken away by a stranger abduction or by someone they knew or their family knew or whether or not 1/2 of the cases end up being a cover-up of accidental death or murder by a family member or remain unsolved it matters not- as we must all still remain vigilant whether or not LE comes out and says “predator abduction” or not-
You wrote:
Parents who appear to be doing nothing is un-acceptable and many people are struggling with. ”
I think the word “appear” is important here…we just cant know all if anything the parents are doing- but again I do share your frustration as I too am struggling with it- but for right now I am trying to walk a mile in their moccasins-
And right now I am focusing on some things LE have said:
(paraphrasing)
They (the abductors) did an adequate job of covering up-
knowing what happened and having enough to prove what happened are two different things-
this is an abduction but we have not ruled anyone out this is not necessarily a stranger abduction-
Please Keep in mind these arent the actual quotes but- these are my take aways from LEs words paraphrased to the best of my recollection
Nurse Sadie along with this- I am also holding onto the fact that LE hasnt released all they have- and please remember they have some security video from the surrounding businesses and not just from that night and day they went back and got all of it- so perhaps they will be able to figure out exactly what happened and hopefully it will lead to Isa and to the person who removed her from her home.
This is getting long Ill finish it up in Part 3-
Yep I know I am too long winded- I apologise for the length I hope you will have the will to read on
Blink sorry if I am making you forget the last time you had a bathroom break
AJMO
Peace
Part 3
Nurse Sadie You wrote:
“So I get all that you are saying to justify the reality that this case is cold. See the definition of a cold case . The National Institute of Justice currently defines a cold case as any case whose probative investigative leads have been exhausted. In essence, this means a case that is only a few months old may be defined as being “cold.”
Nurse Sadie, I am not trying to justify “the reality” that this is a cold case-
I am trying to share the reasons I feel the case isnt cold yet- I am not trying to make you change your mind either- but I am trying to help you get a different perspective to try and help you not to give up hope just yet-
Even after I am finished with my loquacious post the chances are you will still feel the same- and thats okay-
here goes:
I am aware of that definition Nurse Sadie, and I can see whyif you are basing your feelings off of that one definition why you feel so strongly about this case being cold-
If I may I will link to a pdf pf the Arizonia ColdCase Task Force Report-
http://www.azag.gov/law_enforcement/ColdCaseTaskForceReport2007.pdf
Please if you have the time- read it.
As it turns out according to the National_Sheriffs_Association : “there is no uniform definition of “cold case homicide,” neither nationally, between states, nor even within a state, with the exception of a very few states (including Arizona and Colorado) that have developed or legislated a statewide definition.”
Keep in mind when a person disappears there is a chance that they are dead or murdered so “cold case homicide” could apply-
Each state and law enforcement agency has its own definition of a “cold case”
But specifically in Arizonia-
A cold case is defined as any murder, missing person, or suspicious death that is not being ACTIVELY investigated AND all available leads have been exhausted.
Cold cases usually fall into 3 catergories’;
Unsolved no known suspects
Unresolved suspects known/suspected but not sucessfully prosecuted
Unidentified Victim identity unknown
Cold Cases can be evaluated for re-examination based on:
* Legal considerations, such as statutes of limitations.
* The identification of preserved physical evidence by the use of new technology.
* Identification of suspect(s) based on advanced forensic laboratory analysis.
* Newly documented leads have arisen within the last six months.
* A relationship change involving suspects, witnesses, and investigative leads.
Arizona Revised Statute, § 13-4271(F): “Cold case” means a homicide or felony sexual offense that remains unsolved for 1 year or more after being reported to a law enforcement agency and that has no viable and unexplored investigative leads.
-So Nurse Sadie- I am not going to say Isas case is a cold case just yet -as I do believe LE has said that they are actively working this case.
I will hold out hope for as long as possible but I do understand your feelings on why you think it has gone cold.
I hope for Isas sake and the sake of justice for Isa that you are wrong- Im sure you do too.
Adding my prayers to yours for Isa’s safe return
Peace to you Nurse Sadie
AJMO
AJMO
Thought you might like to see this , as you are defending the behavior of Isabel’s parents. This is from the Klass Missing kids website. After you read this tell me how you can accept the fact that Becky Celis, as her mother especially but Sergio as well has gone underground.Becky’s family , those infamous uncle’s and the aunts that love her????????Her grandparents? Where are they? Who is Isabel’s voice at the TPD or the FBI? All very silent, how very sad!
“The days when a kidnapped child’s family sat passively waiting for a ransom demand are simply the unwelcome memory of failed policy. If your child is missing and you just don’t know where to turn or what to do, empower yourself to engage the battle as if it were a matter of life and death. Unfortunately, those may very well be the stakes when predators kidnap children in 21st Century America”.
The people of Tucson should stand up and demand that the TPD shares what is happening, if the family will not be Isabel’s voice then The people of Tucson should be . We should not accept a kidnapping of a little girl as a the way of life !
MOM3.0
Sorry but until you have walked in the shoes , you will not understand . Have you ever experienced such a severe loss? Have you ever been a part life threatening or altering tragedy? Have you ever looked into the eyes of a child of abuse and tried to heal the pain? I feel that crime in Tucson is accepted rather than protested. I dont see anyone calling out to the Mayor ( elected Official) about the crime that is almost in the daily news. I dont see the parents calling out for more help? It is all very quite. Tolerant! Passive!
TPD maybe still investigating the crime but I see crime all the time in the media and if they solve the crime one rarely hears about it , so one can assume that is does not get solved or the media does not find it newsworthy. And a tolerant Life goes on in Tucson!
I think you are being unfair to Mom 3.0 and I think your outlook is very narrow. CSI is not a real-life scenario. I would understand if she chose not to respond to you.
B
Do y’all remember the girlfriend of the Scott Peterson case agreed to put on a bug on her phone; and when Scott called, she put on an act and almost pulled it out of Scott that she knew he had killed his pregnant wife? She was very brave.
If Becky had nothing to do with it, why did she not see if she could put on an act herself and get so hysterical to Sergio that he would confess. Of course, it is too late now because they separated them. Of course, I still hope Sergio did not have anything to do with it; and I kind of still do, but rumors he failed the polygraphs have me worried.
B
I am not being unfair and I am not narrow in my view , Interesting that someone who has had these experience and is calling for pressure to be placed on LE, Media & questions why the family is not visable is too narrow in one views.
B have you ever had those experiences?
Nurse Sadie- You are making general criticisms against general categories of people, and that is where your message gets diluted. Everyone one of us on here is an advocate. Everyone on here is frustrated that this innocent child has not been located. Everyone on here is frustrated at the behavior of the parents and the family.
Your work with children is a commendable profession and I salute you for it, but it does not entitle you to have a weightier opinion than anyone else and for you to suggest that, a few times now, is what I consider to be narrow in view.
As an example, you have no idea the professions of readers and contributors or life experiences on this site, and although you have chosen to discuss yours, many people do not, and they should not be made to feel as though they have to- to defend their perspective or opinion.
Perhaps maybe the ole walk softly but carry a big stick applies?
As far as my experiences in criminal casework involving children, or victims in general, I would only ask that you familiarize yourself with my work before calling me out.
Unless I am requested to do so via mutual agreement, as a policy, I do not write on my interaction with LE, family members of victims, victims themselves, forensic personnel, search teams or witnesses/unamed sources.
The exception to that is if I feel it will progress a case, or that LE is inappropriately sitting on intel that might affect public safety or would generate new leads. In that event, which has occurred a few times, LE was made aware of my intent in advance.
I have never medically treated anyone outside of my own children or family.
Now, if you could offer some constructive suggestions, I think you might find very open minded discussion and potential action for same.
B
B
By the way, I have had those experiences , I looked into the eyes of many abused children that come into the Emergencey room. I saw incredible tragedy in my years of rising ambulances responding to horrifc crimes , and working 15 plus years as a nurse in a major trauma center in a large urban city. I helped collect evidence for LE .
Sorry, riding ambulances!
@Nurse Sadie- I totally agree with your posts…I am just so upset that the case seems to be forgotten by the media and no one seems to be giving this little girl a voice!! I have multiple friends in Tucson and they are dismayed, disappointed, outraged at the way the case has been handled over the last few weeks. According to them, the whole community is upset about the lack of information released to the public and there is a definite worry about their children’s safety…
Of course, they certainly understand that the police cannot release everything, that is normal is any case…but this is just ridiculous. Like you said- “Folks that live in Tucson with young children need to know if there is a crazy pedophile leaping into bedrooms or is there another reason for Isa to go missing.” Well put, and the people of Tuscon agree with you!!
Thanks Blink- I appreciate your words to Nurse Sadie-
Perhaps it is futile but I will respond to your latest posts Nurse Sadie, as I think somewhere along the line your obvious feelings of frustration and anger for the loss of Isa and what you view to be little to no action by police have now been transferred onto me
Nurse Sadie- I am NOT defending the actions or INACTION of the parents I have the same concerns -please reread my June 16, 2012 at 3:37 pm post-
Although I am bothered by their seeming inaction lately -I am able to look at it objectively and FOR NOW I am able to give them the benefit of the doubt- for again they could be acting this way because they are totally devastated and unable to do anything more.
YES it is possible that they are behaving this way because they are guilty of harming Isa or they are protecting someone who did..- BUT it is also possible that they are innocent and just cant move-
Mr. Klass’s own website which you so helpfully made mention of- warns against “The mind field” of living with and dealing with a disappearance /abduction of your child- They urge parents not to give up or give in -do not succumb to hopelessness and despair do not turn to drugs or drink-
They urge parents to make fliers to establish volunteer centers etc to be weary of media pitfalls
See here snipped:
You are entering a frightening emotional and logistical minefield for which you are ill prepared. As tempting as it might seem, escaping from reality is not an option. You have to stay sharp and focused so that you don’t make critical mistakes and that means refraining from alcohol or mind-altering drugs until your child is recovered.
To assist you in successfully maneuvering the minefield we have provided a recovery template outlining and explaining critical elements of a kidnap recovery effort and strategies that promote inter-agency cooperation and encourage community involvement. Because you have so little time to assimilate this critical information we are presenting best-case scenarios, assuming that you and your family are strong and committed, an adequate volunteer base exists and law enforcement and media are willing to work with you. If your situation differs, you will have to modify your approach and make the appropriate adjustments.
Remember never give up hope! As long as you believe that your child is alive and coming home, you will have support, but if you admit defeat your allies will disperse, law enforcement will dissipate and your chances of securing a recovery will effectively disappear.
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So clearly Mr. Klaas and his foundation understand that some parents some INNOCENT parents react in this way- and sadly may just be in a TOTAL state of denial about the sad fact that they may never see their child alive again- perhaps they just refuse to acknowledge this-
Nurse Sadie FYI that snippet you quoted followed this
tidbit of information:
“The ideas and strategies laid forth in this workbook are for the extreme cases where it is confirmed or highly likely that a PREDATORY ABDUCTION has occurred or there is evidence that the child is in immediate danger of serious bodily harm or death.”
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Perhaps the parents cant believe that- and IF this is the case the Klaas foundation allows for LAW ENFORCEMENT to ask for their help- it hasnt why? See the above snippet perhaps Isas case does not fit this category…
or because The Klaas foundation organizes a search effort- IIRC, there was no organized volunteer search for Isa- we have to ask ourselves why not? Perhaps because Isas case does not fit the criteria just as it didnt fit the criteria for an Amber alert…
I believe the Celis family did follow the tips given by the Klaas foundation even if they didnt directly involve this foundation
as
The “six week plan” reads in part:
Week One
Sunday: Bake Sale at the Mall. All proceeds to the (Volunteer Center, search effort).
Wednesday: Family of child who disappeared last year to spend the day at the volunteer center – 11am-4pm.
Saturday: Harley Davidson Run and picnic.
Week Two
Sunday: Blues Fundraiser – 4-9pm
Tuesday: Family of another missing child – 1pm.
Friday: Press Conference announcing volunteer search – 1pm.
Saturday: Volunteer Search – 8am-1pm.
Week Three
Sunday: Free fingerprinting and photographing of local children at the mall – 1pm-4pm.
Tuesday: Family of another missing child – 1pm.
Thursday: Meeting with mayor and school district – 2pm.
Saturday: Volunteer Search – 8am-1pm.
Week Four
Sunday: Classic Car Rally and Picnic.
Tuesday: Family of another missing child – 1pm.
Saturday: Volunteer Search – 8am-4pm.
Week Five
Tuesday: Family of another missing child – 1pm.
Saturday: Volunteer Search – 8am-1pm.
Sunday: Local Celebrity appears at the volunteer center – 1pm.
Week Six
Sunday: Candlelight vigil – 8pm.
Tuesday: Family of another missing child – 1pm.
Saturday: Volunteer Search – 8am-1pm.
—Its sadly past 6 weeks Nurse Sadie, and both brothers are home for summer break- and Dad is restricted from them- makes it that much harder to live up to what you think these parents should be doing- doesnt it?
You wrote:
“The people of Tucson should stand up and demand that the TPD shares what is happening, if the family will not be Isabel’s voice then The people of Tucson should be . We should not accept a kidnapping of a little girl as a the way of life !”
Noone is accepting child abductions as a way of life.
Nurse Sadie- You DEMAND to know “whats happening?”
These Police officers are working diligently to find and bring Isa home- they are working the case- they are building a case for prosecution- they are collecting evidence -following leads- That is What is happening- and yet it is not enough for you- because you want information NOW -You DEMAND to know whats happening? Are you serious?
You claim to want to be “THE VOICE for Isa” You have no clue who Isa is or what happened or what she would want to say-
I doubt it would be Hey YOU – Nurse Sadie and My Community Stand Up and DEMAND to KNOW “Whats happening”
Perhaps if she could- all she would say is – PLEASE LET THE POLICE DO THEIR JOBS-
Please visit the police websites NS and read that PDF –Police even with the cold cases, never give up-
Nurse Sadie- You do not have any idea of who I am or my life experiences- and you certainly do not know how many children I have helped, if you did, you would be ashamed of yourself and in truth you should feel pretty bad anyway for your diatribe
please dont though – as I do understand why you lashed out at me, as I said, and I forgive you
Peace
AJMO
Sorry I forgot to include the link to the Klaas website
Thanks again Blink and I am happy to know there will be a part 2 next week-
Prayers for Isa
http://www.klaaskids.org/menumachine/klaaskids_navigation/navigation.html
The CPS ban must have expired. They have been seen together as a family.
Nurse Sadie, I’m sorry your neighborhood is experiencing crime that does not seem to be taken seriously by the public, media, or your local LE. I would feel frustrated if that were going on in my neighborhood and I want you to know I hear you.
In the Celis case it does seem LE took immediate action and even went public with their investigation. I hope they will continue to do so in this case and for other cases that may arise.
I too find it strange that more members of Isa’s family have not spoken for her but as has been stated, until you’ve been through something so horrific it’s hard to understand all the nuances of dealing with it both personally and as a family.
Nurse Sadie:
The great citizens of Tucson and TPD have most certainly not forgotten about Isa. We absolutely do not take crime as a casual or accepted occurance. I imagine ANYONE that is in this situation would want the authorities to do their BEST to find their child AND protect the integrity of the investigation. They get one chance to investigate this crime. Why in the world would they come out and reveal their evidence? To satisfy the salivating public that wants every bit and piece of their investigation so they can play detective? This is a child’s life, not some game. Everyone I know is heartbroken and want to see a resolution to this case. I’m perfectly fine with LE not telling me what direction their investigation is going.
The fact of the matter is, Isa IS on everyone’s mind. They have a separate section just for her on the majority of the local news sites. There is other news and crime going on in Tucson. Since TPD is concentrating on their tips and leads, there is no point in daily updates.
I am disturbed by comments that are disparaging to Tucson and it’s citizens. You have NO idea what the people are like here.
I can see this issue jumping the tracks quickly.
While I share everyone’s frustration, I am pretty good at reading the investigative track of LE, and in this case, I think so far, they have been doing well with the cards they were dealt.
General criticisms are just going to offend people=fact.
Proud Tucsonian is correct. Let’s be constructive or supportive in conveying or frustrations please.
B
I don’t know how my nic came out as “Tucsonian” but just as an aside, the correct way to refer to people from Tucson is “Tucsonan”. Not to sound picky or anything
Thank you, Blink.
LOL- I changed it because I thought it was a spelling error. My bad entirely.
B
Sorry, I do know Tucson, I have been coming here since the early 80′s,have owned several homes , worked in one of the Emergency rooms for a period of time and have seen a alarming changing culture! I think the response to my statements about this becoming a cold case are very interesting.
I think you ignoring my posts to you asking for constructive ideas given you feel the way you do is not interesting. But I did expect it.
B
Glitter sparkle says:
June 17, 2012 at 5:30 am
The CPS ban must have expired. They have been seen together as a family————————————————————————-
Glitter Sparkle, where were they seen? Are you sure it was a recent pic or video?
Isas disappearance and no resolution in sight has us all very sad and frustrated.
Tension Break-
or
and now for something completely different….
With the mistaken names lately – I couldnt help but think of the clip from the movie “Horrible Bosses” Have you all seen it? I couldnt help but giggle picturing us all reacting this way – fingers wagging computer chairs reclining clapping the whole shabang
hope it makes you all giggle too-
Thats not My Name…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhFkbsvBgDw&feature=player_embedded
Wishing all Dads a Happy Fathers Day-
Peace AJMO
I saw them with my own eyes.
To confirm, I have received this information from a few additional sources
B
Glitter sparkle,
Very much appreciate you sharing this. Thank you.
Glitter sparkle,
Do you think they could have allowed them a day together because it was Father’s Day or did you see them before that? I really, honestly hope it is true.
I am surprised that apparently not one news outlet,soft crime shows (NG), or (apparently) the Tuscon paper that has a section for Isa updates. I think it seems like pretty major news- seeing that the implications of him being denied access to his “other” children- was so ominous.
Let me try that again:
I am surprised that news of the Sergio CPS ban expiring and his reunion with his family- has not been made more public- I know of no announcement or reference by any news outlet, soft crime show(NG), or (apparently) the Tucson paper that has a section for Isa updates. I think it seems like pretty major news- seeing that the implications of him being denied access to his “other” children- was so ominous.
So does the fact Sergio is back with his family indicate that whatever CPS thought was bad for the boys is now gone? Or there is no more reason to believe that it is necessary for him to be away from his kids? I know he did this voluntarily so I just have to wonder what exactly it was that seems to be ok now. I do feel it could have been a minor thing, but it is just so odd.
@Mom 3.0, I just want to tell you that I agree with your post from June 16th at 3:37. From the beginning, the timeline has been one of my pet peeves. It’s been way too vague. My biggest concern WAS the time of the 911 call too. I find it very unlikely that in as little as 15 minutes or maybe less, from the time he went into her room and then called 911 that he could have determined that she’d been kidnapped. Yet he did. I am just not buying it. But then again others here have said that they find it acceptable that he called that quick. I would assume that he didn’t see her so he looked around the room, the house, then outside…did he call his wife before 911 to see if she knew where Isa was? That would have taken some time too. I just don’t see how all of that could be done in the short time frame of 15 minutes. The other thing that bothers me is that in the 911 call he was so calm, giggled, etc. yet in that first speech with the press he was heartbroken, sad and worried. He had the emotions there and in other interviews but no panic what so ever at the very moment of realizing she’s abducted. Strange. To me it’s an act. Lastly I have said this before and I will keep saying it, unless someone can confirm the start time of her game that morning. I read her game was to start at 9 am. I just can’t believe that if she had a 9 am game that they would get her up that late. I don’t know where the field that she played at is in relation to her home, but my kids play ball and usually they have to be at the field between a half hour or an hour before the game. Plus the time it takes to get there, get dressed, eat breakfast, etc…….You would think she would have had to get up closer to 7 am. Am I wrong in my assumption here or does it make sense? This leads me to believe it was staged.
Glitter Sparkle thanks for sharing that it was not second-hand info but your own eyes.
Blink- you have said that the volunteer ban would be temporary -likely be through in 90 days-
So I am wondering if you think CPS or LE will work to remove the children permanently now or if whatever their objective was – is now met and they feel the family should be together- without further restrictions?
Sorry you probably cant say but I am still so confused about what this temporary ban hoped to accomplish-
Maybe LE has another suspect ?
I saw them together as a family on saturday June 16.
And I have knowledge that it is not for one day only. I was surprised as well that the media didn’t say anything.
Blink, I am confused about a veiled statement elsewhere alluding to another “blog’s” (BOC?) assertion that a neighbor “did it,” concerning Isabel’s disappearance (paraphrase). Did I miss something? Assuming the “neighbor” is Nathan, I don’t recall Blink asserting any such thing.
Not trying to stir up more drama, just confused.
Prayers for Isabel’s safe return.
I don’t comment on my thoughts anywhere but here and SM, so it would certainly not be anyone speaking for me. But no, I have never asserted any such thing and my “dialogue” is on here for all to see and to NOT mininterpret.
B
Pak31,
Freedom Park (The park where Isa’s team was to play) is about an 8 minute drive from their home. Just for the sake of traffic, let’s push it up to 10-15 mins. Personally, getting my kids up at 8 when you have to be somewhere that close by 9 is not too unreasonable. I would probably be up much earlier myself, as the adult, and until such time that I would wake my kids, I would probably not consider going to check on them.
Here is a link to show how close the park is to the home:
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=5602+East+12th+Street,+Tucson,+AZ&daddr=Freedom+Park,+Tucson,+AZ&hl=en&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=35.90509,78.662109&geocode=Fc2k6wEd8jZk-SkPekjXvW_WhjHitdCkOh00XQ%3BFQ1N6wEdLQRk-SEe95129oRGqw&mra=ls&t=m&z=14
While looking for a different article from the Daily Mail, the audio of SC’s 911 call started playing when I clicked on the below article link.
Interesting to listen to it again, noting things I missed before, including a 2nd chuckle when talking about watching the Diamondbacks game at midnight.
Blink, I agree with you when you mentioned the oddness in SC’s “No.” when the 911 operator asked if they’ve had any weird phone calls or anyone hanging around. Right after this “No.” he does not wait for another operator question but instead launches unprompted into getting home late from the baseball game, the evening story, including watching the Diamondbacks “and I never heard anything weird”, etc.
Wait for the story to load . . . an audio commercial comes on first.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2145236/Police-admit-child-welfare-officers-went-home-missing-Isabel-Mercedes-Celis-FIVE-months-disappeared.html
Seems like we all have the same questions surrounding the temporary ban…
Pak31-
Hello-
Yes the timeline it does seem like everything occurred in a short span of time– Its just impossible for us to know what occurred when- too many variables to figure out if it is hinky or not-
very frustrating-
Whats the timeline and is it workable? IDK
You make a good point about Isabels game time also- but I think this could be why she went to bed with her hair already in braids- to save time- the plan is to wake her- eat a quick breakfast and go…
I guess what needs to be known is what was The Celis routine? Were they often late did they always arrive early and stay later- on game days did they have breakfast or did they always eat after like have a big brunch later?
I really does concern me that there were alot of people who could have picked up on the Celis schedule rather ieasily- was someone watching at the game that night and were they aware of her game start time? Did they follow Isa home? IDL
What were the plans for that day specifically and were others aware of these plans?
Im not at the point where I can believe it was all staged- but I can definitely understand why you are there… For me, hearing the Moms voice on the 911 call and brothers too- if it was staged they werent in on it- or they are the best actors ever- a mean the brother went house to house, had his friend help him search- alerted neighbors and conveyed his worry so well- that he prompted at least one neighbor to go out and look for Isa himself-
I relistened to the 911 tapes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdxeFztDic4&feature=autoplay&list=UUF4yYOzsXPyvM9B32-sy_vg&playnext=1
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESOvpGq2vXA
The dad isnt the only one that thinks Isabel was taken but he is the only one that uses the word “abducted” He first says though I need to report a child “missing”
After going back and listening- I came away with a different perspective-
Where at first I thought somethings definitely off with dads call- hes too calm- now Im not so sure
– What is the difference between too calm and trying to act as if you are in control and are a “calm”- he seems very scatter brained- he cant think and doesnt know her height or weight- like most dads wouldnt- and after being asked about his wifes car, he thinks the operator is asking for his wifes height.. and the same for when he answers I dont know why (she was abducted) when what the operator was asking is why do you not think she is hiding- or wandered off etc…
- I dont know I am very leery of declaring the dad as a definite suspect based on his demeanor and voice– if the “Dingo ate my baby” case taught me anything it is not to rush to judgment over a parents seeming indifference or lack of emotion or hysteria
and even though I do have alot of concerns over the timeline- they DID call 911 and they clearly asked for help from neighbors and police and they did submit to lie detector tests its not like they hid the disappearance and went out and partied for 30 days- then claimed the babysitter has her and I just talked to her today she was talking about her book and shoes…
bear with me as I am thinking this through as i write- if it were staged wouldnt they have made sure that everyone was on the same page about the times and the night before and the clothes and Wouldnt Dad have woke the boys up and asked them to go wake Isa- then he could have ran in and discovered the girl gone with witnesses and noticed the window together also? Wouldnt he have acted more hysterical or outof it-on the 911 call if he just wasnt for real “trying to be calm”….
I dont know Pak31- this case has me so confused- on one hand I want to believe its the parents covering up- because that would mean a stranger didnt take a little innocent girl from her own bed in the middle of the night- and as awful as a parent harming their child is, and despite wanting justice done- thinking its the parents kinda lets us all off “red alert”
But then I think Oh my God-
I dont think these parents did it- theres a sicko on the loose and God knows what he did to that baby- and then i feel ashamed for having doubted the parents…
I sincerely hope LE figures out who did this and they will be held accountable
MY prayers for Isa
AJMO
Peace
Hi everyone, so much good information here. I’m new to the site (a couple of weeks) and am learning alot. I live clear across the country from Isa, so I haven’t seen anything on the local news, and I don’t remember how I heard about her, but have been checking daily to see if there is any news.
Only one thing I want to mention. I don’t have a good handle yet on my opinion of the family, but there is something I know firsthand, from my own experience.
I have never had a missing child, but when my youngest was 8 (several years ago), he disclosed abuse from an offender. I remember an incredible calmness just came over me. When I called the local police dept. to report this, it was almost like it wasn’t myself, I was very matter-of-fact, calm, and clear. Later, after the officer came out and took the statement, etc. he told me he has never experienced anyone so calm in this or similar situations.
For me, I had never been in such a situation, and couldn’t have hazarded a guess on how I would have reacted. But to this day, 7 years later, my reaction has been the same. Please note, I was heartbroken, but my natural response (not forced) was just this. I am positive if someone had to analyze my call to the police for some reason, they would have said that I was “too calm” and didn’t have the normal emotion one might have. And yet, my true and natural reaction was to be clear, try to communicate well, be concise, and such. I have no idea why. But since that time, because I experienced this, I do know that it is a true and real reaction for some. Definitely not saying the father is, or is not guilty, but mostly just offering my perspective, for what it is (or isn’t!) worth.
Best,
MB
Hi Blink, I accidentally put my real name in the post above. I meant to just put MB. Can you change that for me please? Thanks, sorry about that.
Glitter sparkle says:
June 17, 2012 at 10:07 pm
I saw them with my own eyes.
To confirm, I have received this information from a few additional sources
B
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Thanks Glitter Sparkle!!
might God be with this little girl….
I know He is or I would quit this work yesterday.
B
Both parents are trained medical professionals who work in areas that require one to be very calm under pressure (surgery & emergency room and in emergencies! It becomes a way that you react to most things in life . Almost a part of your DNA. So there can be reasons for one’s calm demeanor!
MB-
Welcome to BOC
Thanks for sharing your own experiences with us- Im sorry about what happened I am glad you were able to take command.
I have heard others describe that same strange calmness. Youre right just such a scenario could have played out for Sergio as well-
Do it seems Sergios strange 911 call is not a dedinite aha suspicious moment….
I was reading over on WS and it seems they are also discussing the CPS voluntary ban- as it turns out it is common protocol when a child disappearance occurs for LE to alert CPS and one poster found that it is even common for CPS to have some parents who may have some red flags- to sign a voluntary waiver allowing for the State to remove their other children from their care for a period of time-
This story which was posted was quite interesting although it took place in Texas:
http://www.chron.com/news/kilday-hart/article/Hart-Voluntary-CPS-plan-has-some-parents-3587923.php
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I would think if GlitterSparkle is right and the family is together again -perhaps Sergio fulfilled his terms of the bargain and CPS sees no further concerns as it would seem they would have no problem in making it extremely difficult for him to come “home”- if they thought it was in the best interests of the other Celis children?
Again welcome MB- nice to hear from you
AJMO
Peace
Nurse Sadie
wrote:
“Folks that live in Tucson with young children need to know if there is a crazy pedophile leaping into bedrooms or is there another reason for Isa to go missing. No comment is un-acceptable in my view.”
I wanted to revisit this statement as I had forgotten about the man who was said to have entered the bedroom of three little girls-ages 6, 8, and 10
The police were not sure if this case was related to the Celis case or not- but it would seem that we and all of the people of Arizona should be concerned about crazy people coming into our homes and taking and harming our children regardless of whether Isas case is a stranger abduction or not- and regardless if this case is connected or not.
Heres the story-
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/04/30/20120430tucson-area-3-girls-sexually-assaulted-abrk.htmlages
Nurse Sadie you wrote about LE and the media not following up on stories to let the citizens know the outcome of reports-
I agree but in these two cases Isas and that of the 3 girls perhaps we have heard nothing more because each are ongoing active cases?
Unlike this case: Tucson boy, 10, sexually assaulted by burglar the man was later apprehended and Jeffery Lynn Sexton was facing charges of burglary, molestation of a child and sexual conduct with a minor
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_e6e1f9be-258c-11df-9954-001cc4c002e0.html
I am not from Arizona or Tuscon not even part of the time- and I have no friends in the immediate area-like some, but since this occurred in 2010 I would like to know if this man was convicted and sentenced- and if not why not- but this story should also serve to warn parents that sadly their homes and their children are not safe from sickos and crazies… and sadly little Isas case nor the 3 girls case would have been the first cautionary tale.
AJMO
Peace
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