Kyron Horman Missing Case Breaking News: Remains Believed To Be Human Located Off Sauvie Island
Sauvie Island, Oregon-There are unconfirmed reports that a teenage boy fishing off of Sauvie Island located a human skull, and potentially other human body parts.
Update 1: As referenced on KOIN, a teenage fisherman believes he snagged a scalp with human hair attached, which he originally thought was horse hair. Columbia County detectives cordoned off the scene last evening and MCSO dive teams entered the water but found nothing. The possible “hair” was sent for testing.
Multnomah County Sheriff Office will not comment on the find, or confirm whether their office has facilitated the removal of same, or forwarded any items to the medical examiner for testing.
Following the disappearance of Kyron Horman, Sauvie Island has been the subject of repeated searchers for the missing Skyline second grader with no results.
It is also the former home of a man considered to be Federal fugitive following a confrontation with a Lincoln City officer with nearly fatal results. Officer Steven Dodds was able to return to duty after extensive rehabilitation.
Durham was a Sauvie Island resident for over 6 years and a volunteer fire fighter until he was removed from duty 6 months prior to the shooting.
David Durham’s dog was recovered injured following what appeared to be an accident in the suspects vehicle and is being cared for by a friend of the family. Mr. Durham has not been seen since his vehicle was recovered in the bay town of Waldport, Oregon.
Please check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates to this breaking story.
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OMG thanks Blink
Prayers for Kyron
You know, the most recent sketch of an older Kyron didn’t really phase me because I pictured an older Kyron much differently. This news, OMG, this news phases me. Over the years I’ve imagined myself holding that little boy in my arms, making all his hurt and confusion disappear. I’ve also felt he is no longer with us so my hope has always been that at least his remains will be found (second only to a live Kyron being found). Sending loving and lifting thoughts to Desiree and Kaine today.
I am curious whether something is done in the process of using human hair to make a wig that would affect DNA testing of the hair. In other words, could you tell the human hair was from a wig and not directly from a person? Not saying that is the case here, of course. The fisherman was quoted (koin.com) as saying there was scalp attached, but LE said no scalp. That’s what made me think of a wig. Regardless of how this turns out, I’d still like to know the answer to my question for future reference, if anyone knows.
A human hair wig would not have any root material so one could tell if it was human under a scope fairly easily. I agree I thought of a wig as well. If it is a long haired red one, you can see where this is going.
B
I read the link posted at Scared Monkeys and it states only a wad of human hair was found.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Possible-Sauvie-Island-remains-investigated/EP5UAQZ-RUiowGtN2ckDRQ.cspx
Still, after all this time my top ten wishes includes justice to be served to whomever harmed Kyron Horman. Even now, when the song Fireflies comes on the radio my ten year old son and I both think of Kyron.
Many thanks for always keeping us updated Blink.
I just updated the piece to include the KOIN info. That horsehair comment has me thinking.
B
Kyron’s hair was short. I first was ready to discount it being Kyron because my mind pictured the mane or the tail of a horse. I also thought of horsehair stuffing in furniture. The hide however of a horse is short. I can not stand the thought of it being little Kyron’s hair. OMG this is a picture in my mind that I do not want.
Video and story link:
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Possible-Sauvie-Island-remains-investigated/EP5UAQZ-RUiowGtN2ckDRQ.cspx
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On Monday KOIN did hear from Jeffrey Dickerson with the Columbia County Sheriff’s Office. He confirmed “a fisherman pulled a wad of what appeared to be human hair out of the water” on his fishing line. However, Dickerson said no scalp was attached.
Dickerson said the hair is being sent to the Oregon State Police Crime Lab for analysis.
He said the Multnomah County Sheriff’s dive team “could find nothing” to suggest a human body was nearby.
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All of us locals know that a lot of people drown in our rivers, too many. Sometimes they are not found at all, sometimes I think no one even knows because so many transients hang out near the rivers in the Summer.
I’ll not get hyped up over this until we hear more, or perhaps I should say IF we hear more.
Hopeful and eager for updated Blink/Lea post-suit analysis.
Re Kaine, I subscribe to the MBS perspective in all respects.
I relied on TRuth’s kptv snip:
“I’ve had the conversation with many people, about just that feeling of how unfair it is to ask a parent … to take a guess,” Kaine Horman said.” TRuth went on to say: “I also wonder why he didn’t provide the People Mag reporters with the updated photo….” I suppose parents of abducted all have different takes. Personally I think the Nat’l Center asking parents to eyeball updates and render opinions before publication serves two purposes, neither an “unfair guess” First is mere courtesy and deference; Kyron is his child.
It would be presumptuous of Nat’l Ctr to publish without his input.
Second, it is a way of bonding with and enlisting parents in the objective of actually disseminating the new photo.
The Nat’l Ctr’s new photo work is only as good as pardnts will disseminate. Since Kaine didn’t put it in the People article, what can we conclude about objective 2 is what I thought TRuth was pondering
The age progression software cannot be open to influence of opinion. The reason is, unless one is an expert in the field, it opens the window for bias where there should be none.
I am not understanding If I adamantly believed my child was being held against his will 2 years later, why one would not want that image everywhere possible.
It may be 2013 before I finish a new piece in this case, the contradictions of all parties are utterly overwhelming.
B
Oh how I hope that it’s not little Kyron. My heart is breaking at the thought.
Blink – when you said in #7 above that “the contradictions of all parties are utterly overwhelming”, did you mean contradictions regarding what happened the day Kyron went missing, or contradictions regarding things that have happened since? In light of some criticism about LE focusing only on TH right away, is it safe to assume that LE had (and still has) a lot more information than we do about what happened to Kyron and who is likely responsible?
I am referring to the civil and family court filings- they are incongruent to say the least.
There are no criminal filings, again, incongruent.
B
Will mcso report on this finding –
whether a wig or human, horse or other?
I’d love to see a
grassroots mcso citizen
accountability committee.
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Did-Columbia-fisherman-reel-in-human-hair-158462685.html
other LE fingers are in the pie thank goodness. mcso only supplied divers.
David Durham appeared to have long red hair, as I recall. The wig/horse hair comments have me wondering. Why would someone who already had long redish hair, need a wig to look the same? Im lost.
They likely would not, but if memory serves, this is not the first time that launch was searched.
B
Apologies up front if this has ever been explained on this website-something has bothered me for a long time-can Blink or a longtime poster explain to me why MCSO gave Rudy S. so much credibility from day 1? Was he ever given a lie detector test regarding Kyron’s disappearance? To me he had motive and opportunity to have been the one who took Kyron.
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Did-Columbia-fisherman-reel-in-human-hair-158462685.html
This report says “There were about 10 strands of light-brown hair, about five inches long, according to one of the fishermen, Steve Klinger.”
If that is accurate they would not likely belong to Kyron. It could be horse hair, cow tail hair, dog hair…impossible to say until it is tested.
One thing about the hair being around five inches long – the hair and nails continue to grow after someone dies. A body being under water could affect the amount of time that the hair would continue to grow (and if it would grow?). I’m far from being an expert, but I thought I’d put it out here. Maybe someone with some expertise could clarify what would happen to a body under water, as opposed to burial underground.
This has been rather upsetting since the very first story was different
From our local news
I would like them to search one more time in this area
Just to be sure
One of these days when we least expect some trace of Kyron
Will show up IMO
But this is most likely is not the day
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Did-Columbia-fisherman-reel-in-human-hair-158462685.html
10 strands of hair, only 5 inches long is barely enough to even notice. There had to be a reason this stood out to the fisherman. I suspect it did have scalp attached to it despite reports to the contrary. My opinion only.
This is just my opinion I thought the picture looked like Desiree
Enough said from me
I find this story odd. Ten strands of hair X 5 inches in length is miniscule in the grand scheme of a river. 911 – We have hair strands?
True Dat.
B
From Nov. 10, 2010
Searchers in the Sauvie Island waters; still photos and video.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/kyron-horman-case-dive-team-scours-sauvie-island/story?id=12149528
KOIN’s report makes much more sense.
“He said it was his first time ever fishing, and he pulled up what he thought was horse hair at first,” said the bystander. “And the more he looked at it he realized it looked like scalp and human hair.”
Pardon my ignorance…usual for me though, lol…if this fisherman found only approx. 10 strands of hair not attached to anything resembling human then why did he even question it and not just throw it back in? Color me confused? 10 strands is not that much! I don’t get it!
This occurred on May 28th 2012. The hair could be from the teenage boy who went overboard.
(snipped) “PORTLAND, Ore. – The U.S. Coast Guard suspended the search for a missing 13-year-old boy feared drowned in the Columbia River Monday afternoon after the small boat he was in capsized.
A recovery effort to find the teen’s body is expected to take place Tuesday. The Clark County Sheriff’s Office said the teen was not wearing a floatation device when the boat he was in with his step-father and grandfather sank.”
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Recuers-pull-boaters-from-water-in-Columbia-River-155100355.html
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OMG! I don’t know if I am now praying that it is dear Kyron, or it isn’t! I guess I was so hoping that he would somehow be found alive! Such a lovely little boy – so intelligent – so curious!
This just breaks my heart! I could never have children – but as God is my witness, I know I could have done better by this child then his step-mother!
Blink – is this going to be a repeat of Caylee’s case where decomp has basically played into the hands of the step-mother???? She’s going to skate???
I’m too though!
@erose says:
June 11, 2012 at 6:19 pm
I find this story odd. Ten strands of hair X 5 inches in length is miniscule in the grand scheme of a river. 911 – We have hair strands?
True Dat.
B
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Exactly!! I lose more than that in the shower, let alone swimming around in a river. More to the story for sure.
lol. I have long blonde hair, and Blinkette has a longer mane. We shower upstairs where the drain catch is set on ” dreadlocks or worse” lol.
Nobody is fishing and catching any of that and calling 911. No way.
B
I can’t help but think of Caylee and her hair attached to tape. What would 10 hairs be attached to if not scalp? I doubt that Kyron’s hair was 5 inches long on June 4, 2010. I just do not know what to think.
A year later, the mere mention of same punches my gut. That would be a year after the verdict. Caylee died 4 years ago June 15th.
I appolly, that little sweetie pants will bring me to the center every time.
B
I have prayed for answers for Kyron to be found. As sad as this is I hope that closure is finally here. I have never followed a case like this. This site is so informative and a blessing to missing children. I’m not sure I can sleep tonight and I pray for the Horman family.
Ahhhh, I see, different articles different “truths”! I’m scr8t now, has to be attached to something of importance.
Bittersweet if this is out lil man. For Desiree’s sake, I hope this brings some most needed answers.
On the flip side, I hope Terri is sharting and touching cloth whilst laying down a rut in her floor. I wonder what this is doin to her state of mind.
Am I so wrong?
@foobros:
It is a commonly believed MYTH that “hair and nails continue to grow after death”.
This is an illusion caused be the skin surrounding the nailbed and fingertip receding, same concept WRT the scalp tissue receding back from the hair shaft and follicle.
Is it even possible that something would be left after 2 years in the water. Even if it is not Kyron and this brings the story back in the spotlight — maybe some one will finally come forward. Pray for answers and closure for this family.
Was the divorce of Terri and Kaine ever finalized?
Yes, Blink i see where you are going with “the red hair wig”…it took me a minute.
I so hope you are wrong…..
Desiree,
Im so sorry…. I hope you can take a big deep breath and exhale….in due time it is going to be ok…….
Not to get all technical, but hair and nails do not “grow” after death. Skin (including scalp and cuticles) shrinks post mortem, so hair and nails appear to grow.
And nobody calls 9-1-1 because they found 10 strands of hair.
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foobros says: June 11, 2012 at 5:37 pm
“One thing about the hair being around five inches long – the hair and nails continue to grow after someone dies. A body being under water could affect the amount of time that the hair would continue to grow (and if it would grow?). I’m far from being an expert, but I thought I’d put it out here. Maybe someone with some expertise could clarify what would happen to a body under water, as opposed to burial underground.”
mag603 says:
June 11, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Is it even possible that something would be left after 2 years in the water. Even if it is not Kyron and this brings the story back in the spotlight — maybe some one will finally come forward. Pray for answers and closure for this family.
Was the divorce of Terri and Kaine ever finalized?
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No. Last I heard it was postponed again until October. I posted a link at the time to a very recent news article in which it was mentioned sort of in passing, but now I’ve forgotten which one.
Ode asks: “What would 10 hairs be attached to if not scalp?”
You should see the hair on my mother-in-law’s back.
*shivers*
PORTLAND, OR (KPTV) –
A fisherman reeled in a clump of something that looked like hair Sunday evening, prompting authorities to have divers search the water near the Gilbert Boat Ramp on Sauvie Island.
http://www.kptv.com/story/18758355/fisherman-reels-in-clump-of-hair-near-sauvie-island
Take the Sauvie Island bridge off U.S. 30 to Reeder Road. Turn left on Gilbert River Boat Ramp Road, approximately one mile to the ramp on the Multnomah Channel. Located two miles downstream from the J.J. Collins Marine Park.
http://www.co.columbia.or.us/departments/county-parks/gilbert-river-boat-ramp
Driving Directions:
Take Hwy 30 to the Sauvie Island Bridge. Cross bridge. Stay on NW Sauvie Island Road for about two miles. Stay right at the Y intersection onto Reeder Road. Turn left off of Reeder Road at approximately milepost 11.
Nearest City:
Scappoose
Launch Site Address:
18330 Sauvie Island Road
Portland
OR
http://www.columbiawatertrail.org/access/gilbert_river_boat_ramp
I started looking for DAD’s address to compare how close it was to the ramp, and I ran across an internet rumor that DAD might be DDS’s cousin. Anyone able to confirm or deny this?
DAD’s SI address as reported by Beejay eons ago. It’s a mere 8 minutes away. Not suggesting that he left his home and then went to the launch, but definately familiar territory.
Anyone know if “Rocky Point Farms” on Sauvie Island goes by another name?
“On Monday, a Multnomah County Sheriff’s vehicle blocked access to the Sauvie Island Road where Durham lives, and crime tape was seen around one of the cottages (there are four buildings) at Rocky Point Farms.
Durham’s address is 24510 NW Sauvie Island Road.”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-2/#comments
and from Blink’s article same link:
It also showed that Mr. Durham was a previous resident on Sauvie Island at another address 2.5 miles South, and directly adjacent to Logie Rd across the channel.
Using the Sauvie Island Road from Skyline Elementary School to the boat launch is a 13 minute drive. Goes right by DAD’s house. Using Cornelius Pass adds two minutes to the drive. I encourage everyone to google map the addresses to see just how close, and either coincidental or unfortunately-sadly-devastatingly purposeful this could be. How many times did we hear the names of these exact roads from LE? I just can’t get over the proximity of the last know location of a missing small child and the house of a resident who unexpectedly turned fugitive.
I was straightening my hair this morning and set aside 10 strands of hair that had fallen out in the process. This is nothing. It probably looks like even less when wet. If it were I that was fishing, I would have said ‘Ew’ at the hair on my line, taken it off and continued on my way.
Is it really possible that a dive team would be sent for just 10 strands of hair? I’m sure they could just skim the top of the water and collect 10 strands…I don’t get it.
I am quite sure it was attached to some sort of matter that gave the appearance it was scalp tissue otherwise, no, nobody is calling 911 and nobody is retrieving it. I think the whole thing is being downplayed for a reason.
B
Debdawg says:
June 11, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Apologies up front if this has ever been explained on this website-something has bothered me for a long time-can Blink or a longtime poster explain to me why MCSO gave Rudy S. so much credibility from day 1? Was he ever given a lie detector test regarding Kyron’s disappearance? To me he had motive and opportunity to have been the one who took Kyron.
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Theories have been floated that he was undercover LE working some type of investigation prior to Kyron’s disappearance. We know little to nothing about him or his associates and to my knowledge no one knows if he was given a lie detector test.
We do know he testified in front of the grand jury.
lyla says:
June 11, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Snipped>>>
This occurred on May 28th 2012. The hair could be from the teenage boy who went overboard.
(snipped) “PORTLAND, Ore. – The U.S. Coast Guard suspended the search for a missing 13-year-old boy feared drowned in the Columbia River Monday afternoon after the small boat he was in capsized.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Recuers-pull-boaters-from-water-in-Columbia-River-155100355.html
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@Lyla- I thought of this boy as well,what a terrible, sad story. I did some further research, according to the article below the boat capsized near Lady Island, off the shore of Camas, WA.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Recuers-pull-boaters-from-water-in-Columbia-River-155100355.html
That is upriver from where the Willamette River and Multnomah Channel empty into the Columbia. I’m not an expert, however based on this info., the boy’s body would have to somehow be taken upstream from the Columbia into the Multnomah Channel to end up where this “hair” was found. I can’t imagine how that would be possible, the currents are far too swift, IMHO. I hate even typing this, Gob bless that boy and his family, such a tragedy.
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Futureman says:
June 12, 2012 at 3:01 am
Ode asks: “What would 10 hairs be attached to if not scalp?”
You should see the hair on my mother-in-law’s back.
*shivers*
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@Futureman- Long time no see. Thanks for the giggle, you always get me, LOL.
Lol, right, I was eating breakfast so I could not go there.
B
I hope this doesnt go unresolved/not updated like when the body of that guy was found on roadside and reported and we never heard anything further about it.
@erose
That is the first I have heard of DDS and Durham possibly being related… Could you please elaborate?
Thanks
Jmo
erose says:
June 12, 2012 at 4:53 am
(snipped) “DAD’s SI address as reported by Beejay eons ago. It’s a mere 8 minutes away. Not suggesting that he left his home and then went to the launch, but definately familiar territory.”
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The hair strands purportedly are 5 inches long. Kyron’s hair was cropped on June 4th and DAD had long hair. But, if Kyron was held captive for some period of time, well that would be a different story.
I found this information on SM from Sassifrass posted on Christmas Eve 2010. It is very interesting, please read.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9159.msg1280252#msg1280252
Snip from post:
Skyline Eagles Soccer Club:
President: Tom Williamson
Vice President: Max Janasik
Registrar: Chris Edington
PYSA Rep: Kim Holm
Head Coach: Kim Holm
Equipment/Field Manager: Matt Schuckmann
Treasurer: John Chen
When you Google the address that they list to send the Soccer Registration payments to (The address of: 10902 NW Skyline Blvd, Portland, OR 97231) you find it linked to a business called “Turnstone
Environmental Consultants”
http://www.turnstoneenvironmental.com/index.htm
I’m going to take these one at a time:
President: Tom Williamson, AKA Walter T Williamson IV – Approximate age 44-45 (Not on the list)
Resume: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/tom-williamson/4/948/926
President and co-owner of Turnstone Environmental Consultants
10902 NW Skyline Blvd
Portland, OR 97231
Additional address to TEC: 18000 NW Lucy Reeder Road, Portland, OR 97231 (This is Sauvie Island
and is approximately 11.6 miles away from nw skyline blvd.)
I am confused, everyone knows that Kim Holm is/was a soccer coach, what does this have to do with Kyron’s disapperance?
B
Maybe the “hair” (human or animal) has not beeen in the water for 2 yrs. as the above poster questioned. I shudder at my thoughts, but what if Kyron has been hidden and just recently was put in the water?
erose says:
June 12, 2012 at 4:33 am
started looking for DAD’s address to compare how close it was to the ramp, and
“I ran across an internet rumor that DAD might be DDS’s cousin. Anyone able to confirm or deny this?”
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Do you have a link for this?
In reply to:
foobros says:
June 11, 2012 at 5:37 pm
One thing about the hair being around five inches long – the hair and nails continue to grow after someone dies. A body being under water could affect the amount of time that the hair would continue to grow (and if it would grow?). I’m far from being an expert, but I thought I’d put it out here. Maybe someone with some expertise could clarify what would happen to a body under water, as opposed to burial underground.
Hair and nails do not continue to grow after someone dies.
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/ART02909/Seven-Medical-Myths.html
Hair and fingernails continue to grow after death: This disturbing, gruesome image is pure “moonshine” according to forensic anthropologist William Maples, who was quoted in the BMJ study. However, he explained that dehydration of the body after death can cause retraction of the skin around hair and nails, giving the illusion that they have grown. All tissues require energy to sustain their functions, and no such thing is possible once the mechanism that promotes normal growth shuts down at death.
Thanks MuffyBee- your 100% correct and I missed that comment from Foosbros
B
@Lauren
snip>
Interesting post on the front page of SM. Likely no truth to it but interesting none the less:
Kathy
2011/02/05 at 1:00 pm
I tried to post the question about David Durham being Dee Dee Spicher’s cousin to the Oregon Tribune and it was instantly rejected:
The initial status of the comment is ‘REJECTED’.Reason: ‘Rejected for containing prohibited text: \’ Spic\’\n’ The text of the comment is as follows: “Did I read somewhere that David Durham is the cousin of Dee Dee Spicher who she played with during childhood summers on the family property within the new Kryon-target search area? Could there be some connection?” BASED ON SOME OF THE WORDS YOU USED THIS COMMENT WAS REJECTED BY THE SYSTEM.If you believe this is a mistake, please contact the editor of the publication directly.
see klaasend 02/05/11
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9222.820