Kyron Horman Missing Case Breaking News: Remains Believed To Be Human Located Off Sauvie Island
Sauvie Island, Oregon-There are unconfirmed reports that a teenage boy fishing off of Sauvie Island located a human skull, and potentially other human body parts.
Update 1: As referenced on KOIN, a teenage fisherman believes he snagged a scalp with human hair attached, which he originally thought was horse hair. Columbia County detectives cordoned off the scene last evening and MCSO dive teams entered the water but found nothing. The possible “hair” was sent for testing.
Multnomah County Sheriff Office will not comment on the find, or confirm whether their office has facilitated the removal of same, or forwarded any items to the medical examiner for testing.
Following the disappearance of Kyron Horman, Sauvie Island has been the subject of repeated searchers for the missing Skyline second grader with no results.
It is also the former home of a man considered to be Federal fugitive following a confrontation with a Lincoln City officer with nearly fatal results. Officer Steven Dodds was able to return to duty after extensive rehabilitation.
Durham was a Sauvie Island resident for over 6 years and a volunteer fire fighter until he was removed from duty 6 months prior to the shooting.
David Durham’s dog was recovered injured following what appeared to be an accident in the suspects vehicle and is being cared for by a friend of the family. Mr. Durham has not been seen since his vehicle was recovered in the bay town of Waldport, Oregon.
Please check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates to this breaking story.
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@Blink
(snipped) “3. This guy gets out, I guarantee you he will be acting out immediately, and he will look to apply all his new skills he learned in “school.”
Sick effwad.
B
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This is exactly why I posted my personal experience here. There is no rehabilitation that I am aware of to diminish the powerful urges of a sex offender. And as you’ve stated they will reoffend. I lucked out but I can tell you I “lose it” every now and then when someone comes up behind me and touches me on the back. Kyron didn’t have a chance in hell if he was taken for sexual gratification. And if it ends up to be just that may his beautiful soul be resting in peace. I’ll be quiet now..
melissab says:
June 26, 2012 at 5:23 pm
NelMel–if TMH was a “shopper” she will be on the state mandated tracking system ‘if’ it was in place at the time. You know how us normal folks can’t buy products containing psudoephedrine without going to the pharmacy and scanning our ID’s? I guess if she was buying this stuff it will be on record somehow but included in a investigation that seems never ending on lock down forever!
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Your “lock down” reference is perfect for this case.
The meth idea popped into my head as another possible explanation for the case’s secrecy. The investigations around me that lead to these meth labs being busted are uber-top-secret. Meth people are sneaky bastards and turn on each other with pitchforks in 3 seconds.
All drug dealers are like that, of course. Unfortunately I am on the same block as a “nice” woman who turned out to have 3 drug busts (sale of ‘script pills), welfare fraud (undeclared cash income from all those pill sales), assault (ex-husband’s girlfriend made her sooooooo mad), and she lives with a man who was so angry at her one day in 2009 that he picked up her little dog and smashed it against the wall and killed it. SHE STILL LIVES WITH HIM, and took him back yet again last month after he was arrested for assaulting her cousin.
Sheeesh. It’s a full time job keeping my teenage son away from these people’s kids. That is what makes me the sickest about all of it. A lot of dealers are PARENTS.
quizzical says:
June 26, 2012 at 5:15 pm
The Albertson’s connection has always puzzled me. While sometime on the 3rd or 4th she could have been at Albertson’s Beaverton-Hilldale, it always seemed to make more sense that TMH was at the West Union/185th location on June 4th. It is on two of the streets/roads for which MCSO requested video, and I think it is the closest major grocery store to the Horman household. I am aware many others have discussed this location.
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I believe that TH was at the albertson’s on Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy at least according to the media.
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Managers of the Fred Meyer store in Hillsboro and the Albertsons on Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy. have confirmed they’ve submitted surveillance video and are cooperating with detectives.
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98147474.html
@Concerned – The picture was taken on June 6, 2012 approximately 12:54pm. We may have crossed paths. Yes, I would guess few people park on that back wall except possibly at peak use. That is why I think she may have parked there, to have no one on either side of her for ease of getting toddler Ki out of and back into the truck.
Thanks, about the free standing Starbucks. My recollection was from at least a year ago. There was a coffee shop on the inside in that corner of Fred Meyer. I seem to recall it was a Starbucks. Correct me if I am wrong on that one too.
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Concerned says:
June 26, 2012 at 3:49 pm
@Quizzical, what time of day were you at FM Walker? Good Lord, I think I see my car! LOL!
P.S. Notice how people rarely park on that back wall. Yes, I know she was driving a big truck though.
Concerned says:
June 26, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Darn, hit send too fast. Quizzical, I didn’t see the second Starbucks at Imbrie on your drawing. It’s a free standing store with it’s own entrance just to the left of the one you marked Starbucks inside.
IMO TH wasn’t a meth addict. Although it is true that some people do gain weight during the first few months of getting clean, one doesn’t just break a meth addiction… I think if TH had been a meth addict, we would have heard about it by now.. I think (butam not sure) that people who have been taking steroids and then stop can become overweight. This combined with drinking and being unhappy could be the reason behind how she looked.
Blink,
I am soooooo thick headed. How can it be said SZ is not on the list, if they cannot say who SZ is, unless all 490 have been excluded?
Is LE only believing SZ is not on the list, therefore no chance in ever finding out if SZ is or is not on the list?
What am I missing?
Excluding people is a LE term/act. In other words, only LE can say who is excluded and they have named no exclusions I am aware of. That was my point. I just know I have gone over the list with several sources and he is not on it.
B
The law requiring a prescription for pseudoephedrine products went into effect January 2006 (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4809359). Shopping in Oregon for meth ingredients as described by several here was not possible in 2009 or ’10.
If you’re unfamiliar with meth users, a look at Faces of Meth (a project of MSCO) should inform you of what a few months of using can do to you: http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2011/05/faces_of_meth_7.html
@Rose, re Underhill.. you can check Willamette Week or Oregonlive for stories leading up to the May primary. Underhill was not the one and only anointed one you intimate; other candidates dropped out and the transition has been quite widely reported. Normally I love a good conspiracy theory but I think there isn’t one WRT that race.
Did any of you catch that a MC District Atty is on The List? He was parent to Skyline students at the time. I think this case is intensely personal to the people working on it (that DA is not working on the case but is a witness). I still find it very difficult to read the disparaging comments about the local LE folk. Face it: NONE of us knows jack all about what they are doing, have done or have.
This place isn’t as corrupt as some posters would make out. Maybe we’re just living in different times and they dont’ want all the details hashed out on the internet, hampering the investigation some how. I’m going to maintain my trust in professionals with a wide base of experience and continue to exercise patience. And yes, I just couldn’t help myself and posted again.
What do you consider disparaging evie- as I have not seen that. I have seen critical, and if calling out a LEO for telling prospective witnesses their belief in a suspect during interview seems disparaging to you, imagine how that LEO is going to look should this ever go to trial.
LE made errors in this case, some big ones, and I believe that behind closed doors, everyone has already come to terms with it. I make mistakes, you make mistakes, all human beings do.
The thing is, then how do they get corrected to affect the recovery of a 7 year old child?
B
Centre County-style “wider than that,” Blink?
I’ve just been reading Portland blogs associated with City issues, political issues–I included the term pedophiles– and saw some strange comments. Is there any possibility of a pedophile ring in either PPB or MCSO that is hush hush or being investigated or ignored?
Also was the parallel investigation you referred to early on the murder for hire or something wider, city or statewide?
Woman found dead in Washington Park in Portland
http://www.kgw.com/news/Body-found-in-Portlands-Forest-Park-160454115.html
“The thing is, then how do they get corrected to affect the recovery of a 7 year old child?
B”
O…M…G…
Has the recovery of little Kyron been in limbo or not at the level he deserves, because one of the reasons is that the public’s help has not been requested due to not wanting to take the knowledge of mistakes (or the appearance of same) out from behind closed doors?
How could it not? Two year old case, no indictment, gj suspended at least 2x, no named suspect, no physical evidence no update.
One parent saying he is alive and I am keeping pace, the other saying he is most likely gone forever and deceased so please order this defacto suspect to give a deposition and tell us where his remains are.
This is so grossly incongruent with a strategy designed to resolve a case or generate leads I have no idea why people seem so intent to have a dry creekbed in their frontage.
Makes me nuts.
B
Just FYI…the Fred Meyer Imbrie location has been extensively remodeled since Kyron went missing.
Not sure if anyone ever asked this question before (if so, sorry to repeat it). During Skyline Elem fire drills, was DAD ever present at the school during these exercises? How often were drills performed? I live in MD and in my county, a minimum of 10 fire drills are required per school year. Also,as a rule fire drills should be conducted under a variety of conditions: different times of school day, during lunch periods, during class changes, during assemblies, etc. to avoid the distinction between drills and actual fires.
By written law, the schools are required to have monthly inspections of all portable fire extinguishers, all emergency lighting systems – same. Written records of ALL tests shall be maintained for review by the Fire Marshall. Could DAD have been present for any of these school drills or inspections?
and yet another school principal for Skyline
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/
WRT to pedo’s and the word ‘Random’. How much knowledge would an offender/victim need to have in order to move him from ‘Random’ to ‘Known’. Let’s use, for an example, a stalker. A stalker may know a heck of a lot about his victim, yet the victim may have no knowledge of him. So, IF a note was left on TH’s truck that morning, IMO, it could very well still be ‘random’. Sure, he knew on which vehicle to leave the note (IF there was a note), but that still doesn’t mean Kyron or any of his family members ‘knew’ him. Scary.
The second thing that comes to mind (again) is looking at all of the agencies involved in this case early on. What is the common link that would involve all of these agencies? I think that speaks volumes to what type of crime they thought was committed early on – OR it sheds light onto what was uncovered during the early stages of the investigation. (ex: looking for Ky, they stumbled upon a can of worms and opened it).
Has it been 100% ruled out that there is no RS / Muchos Gracias connection? I know this has been brought up, but it has always bugged me (the coincidence between the name RS and Muchas Gracias – I think it was said that the RS on the ucc lien, connected to Muchas was NOT the same RS – am I remembering that correctly?. I am very familiar with the Albertsons on Beaverton/Hillsdale, and it always irked me as to why TH went all the way out here to this Albertsons? Doesn’t make sense. The only straw I could grab was the Muchas Gracias across the street. Trying to look back through the almost 17,000 comments to look for this info is a trek I’m cannot take tonight, so if anyone has this info off-hand, it would be so appreciated! If what I vaguely remembered about the lien is true, then I will throw the straw away.
@evie
Your frustration is coming in loud and clear.
Your comment -
Face it: NONE of us knows jack all about what they are doing, have done or have.
is part of the problem. You all don’t get JACK from your LE, and yet there is no public demand from the community or news sources for answers. Why is that? Help me understand.
You probably don’t mean to come off condescending, but to suggest we are unaware of the faces of meth seems to suggest ignorance on our part, and fwiw people progress in to that toilet at different rates. Meth is one theory of many, to explain TH was in three stores that day. What is your theory?
In WA State phony prescriptions have been a problem, so much so that certain narcotics require more than just a prescription pad, but rather an extensive form and a phone call to verify, (namely for oxycontin) so I am not dissuaded, that meth is a possible factor in TH’s shopping stops, by the pseudoephedrine laws that require a prescription, and neither are the criminals.
@cd – Thanks. Video from Fred Meyer Hillsboro (Imbrie) and Albertson’s Beaverton-Hillsdale was submitted to LE.
It has been confirmed “Surveillance video shows she visited two different Fred Meyer stores…”.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/122554994.html?tab=video&c=y
I am assuming this means Fred Meyer Imbrie and Fred Meyer Walker. I am trying to find any similar confirmation TMH was shown on Albertson’s Beaverton-Hillsdale video or any other Albertson’s video.
Blink has stated:
“I am on record she was captured on video at an Albertson’s, I could not say it’s location with certainty without consulting my notes which would not be possible due to some other projects I have running on my system at the moment.
B”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/06/11/kyron-horman-missing-case-breaking-news-remains-believed-to-be-human-located-off-sauvie-island/comment-page-10/#comment-1925907
I am hoping to learn at which Albertson(s) and at what day(s) and time(s) TMH was captured on video.
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cd says:
June 26, 2012 at 6:07 pm
quizzical says:
June 26, 2012 at 5:15 pm
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I believe that TH was at the albertson’s on Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy at least according to the media.
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Managers of the Fred Meyer store in Hillsboro and the Albertsons on Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy. have confirmed they’ve submitted surveillance video and are cooperating with detectives.
Yep.
B
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98147474.html
@NelMel
I always heard meth causes ugly sores and hair like straw
Kaine said she spent money like water
So she had to be coming home with sacks of stuff that
He saw as over spending
This is going to be hard for me to write, but I think it’s important. Tonight I went to dinner with 14 people (part of a group of about 45) I’ve known through PPS for decades. These are the best – some retired, some not. I trust them as colleagues and as personal friends. In some instances, I have trusted them to back me up in times of violence in and around my school. If I had a really tough challenge of any kind (academic, race relations, gangs, drugs, special needs, and on and on) in any school, these are people I’d choose to advise or help me. I say this to let you know my level of trust and the degree of experience these people have.
With all due respect, sincerely, I have never met you, Blink. I’ve been reading your articles and bold type for 2 years and evaluating how carefully and fairly I think you handle this blog and the people who participate in it. But the bottom line is that I really don’t personally know whether you truly have sources and information or you just make up your clues as you go along. In other words, I couldn’t attest to it in a court of law.
So tonight I brought up Kyron Horman and asked if anyone had heard anything about the case or had any idea why PPS hasn’t been sued. These people have contacts all through the district and some are working with grown children of students they had who are now teaching. Some also teach at local universities now. They are award winning, dedicated, hardworking people. What did they say?
“Everybody knows Terri Horman took Kyron. There’s no way it could have happened any other way and no reason to sue the school district.” Pretty much in unison. End of story. (These are not people who give the district a “pass” no matter what.)
I will grant you that if any of those people had been Kyron’s teacher I would 99.9% guarantee you they would have known where Kyron was at all times and with whom. Their perspective of the school is likely to be based on their experiences working in tough schools, not the “neighborly” school Skyline has been. In any case, they were not willing to believe Kyron left with anyone but her. Now, if I had been the witness, they would have believed me, but for me to say a woman who writes a crime blog told me this – you get the picture, I hope.
My big point here is that unless the DA or LE chooses to announce or leak to the media from “an unnamed source in LE” that SZ exists, or the actual witness tells the press (probably not recommended), or someone who was there and has a position of authority and respect locally (such as Ben Keefer) speaks up and vouches for it as fact, there is NO hope of getting anyone to believe it, short of finding Kyron and hard evidence of the fact.
@Blink – I hope I have not offended you in any way. If so, I deeply apologize. I do hope you understand what I’ve tried to express.
I am not remotely offended. In fact, I think what you stated is both a fair and an accurate representation of the sentiment locally, with the exception of any direct witnesses or those with knowledge of same that Kyron did not leave the school with TH, and he was seen with SZ leaving the building. When a journalist has protected sources, it is sacrosanct, but I will share with you what I have shared with any individual I have ever interviewed for purposes of inclusion in coverage, private practice or that I ultimately decided not to reference editorially. With much respect, I do question how closely connected any of your colleagues could be to information on the case, as it is patently clear from any timeline TH cannot be in two places at once.
Every single witness or interview knows this- outside of the boundaries of law where I might be compelled through a court to disclose them and the content of our interview or info provided, there is one exception to my protecting a source which they know upfront. (An example of something I may discuss is in states where it is illegal to forward a correspondence from or to LE, I inform the witness, etc)
That is if I believe the information I learn will progress a case at the LE level and I am aware they do not currently either have it, or I have connected it to something related to same. In that case, I will provide the information (I do not discuss those interactions publicly, ever except to say that I have provided information to investigators in this case). Obviously, if I should ever learn someone is at risk, that would also be something I turn over immediately.
My point is, while you cannot “attest” to any information I provide from a n un-named source, I am accountable to LE in the above situations, period. This has occurred in numerous cases I cover or work on personally.
Everyone should weigh that fact accordingly and I invite it’s scrutiny.
Respectfully Submitted,
Blink
I think about Kyron a few times a week, but today was also reminded of a young girl who disappeared three years ago today.
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/3-years-since-Lindsey-Baum-disappeared-160399925.html
Although at one time I thought the cases may be related. I believe I’m mistaken. Unfortunately we have two sickos we are dealing with. I do believe both cases were unfortunately sexually motivated. So sad!
OAK HARBOR, Wash.– A community in Oak Harbor is on high alert after a man tried to kidnap an 8-year-old girl from her own front yard.
Summertime in Island County is supposed to be a time to relax and watch the grass grow as local kids explore everything from tricycles to tea parties.
But this past weekend, local were stunned to learn that a stranger tried to snatch a little girl from her front yard.
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Oak-Harbor-community-on-edge-after-attempted-kidnapping-160485165.html
T. Ruth says:
June 25, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Wow, I was only looking for the witch hunt stuff, but holy cow, how did I miss that KH was not required to put his current/teno address in that paperwork…..and that Terri was not prohibited from sharing it?
Dang, I wish I understood law better.
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@ T.Ruth – as you can see, last year Kaine’s attorney faxed the petition to the court along with the text below. I don’t think anyone had to actually go to the court. The same thing may happen this year. In fact, they could almost use the exact same text.
I don’t think putting the address in was a big deal. They tell you that you can use a contact address and number if you don’t want to list your own address. Since I don’t know where Kaine was actually staying with Kiara, I also don’t know if he used his true location or a contact one. (The petition also mentions “an undisclosed location.”)
Terri would have only been prohibited from sharing it during the time the petition was sealed by the judge. I think Kaine was fearful enough to make the petition valid, but probably expected to return to his house at some point, which would not have been a secret location anyway. Terri had enough other information such as his work location and gym (which we know she did visit one day) that she could have found him easily if she had wanted to in those first few days, so I doubt that knowing his real address would have mattered much.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/08/multnomah_county_judge_extends.html
(LAST YEAR)
Kaine Horman’s divorce attorney, Laura Rackner, had faxed to the court a petition to renew the restraining order on June 27. Rackner attached a two-paragraph exhibit, a brief summary of the ongoing investigation into Kyron’s disappearance, as an exhibit to support the one-year extension:
The exhibit said this:
“My son, Kyron, has been missing since June 4, 2010. I do not know where he is, if he has been harmed, or if he is alive. Local and federal law enforcement agencies are currently investigating my wife, respondent/Terri Horman, for her involvement in Kyron’s disappearance. Terri Horman will not cooperate with law enforcement and will not assist in the search for Kyron. I believe that Terri Horman is responsible for Kyron’s disappearance.
“After Kyron went missing and the investigation began, law enforcement officials informed me that my wife had attempted to hire our landscaper to kill me for money. I obtained a restraining order against her to protect myself and my daughter Kiara. Respondent/Terri Horman is a substantial safety threat to me and to my family. She has manifested a desire to physically harm myself and my family, and I fear she will continue to try to harm myself and to (sic) my family.”
My personal opinion is that Kaine was referring to this (not-directly) when he said that “they were trying to get additional information through the divorce filings but it did not work out” a few weeks ago.
If you recall, for a short time, Rackner filed that TH was in violation of the RO for taking pics of a then-sealed motion containing Kaine’s address. Where did that come from? Remember Michael Cook?
I said it was a set up then, and I believe that to this day. Was TH nutter butter behavior a skeeve-fest if those texts were hers? A B S O L U T E L Y. Did Cook coordinate the whole thing with Kaine?
A B S O L U T E L Y.
B
Re: SZ not being on the list, I take it to mean that whatever witness saw SZ was able to say that none of the people on the list matched SZ. Perhaps the witness was shown photos of all people on the list? I guess that would be a lot of photos, and it does not sound like the witness had a good look, so maybe something about SZ is unique. But then, all the more reason to release the description, no? IDK. Need to go to bed!
The only Albertson’s I know about was the one listed below. It is at the intersection of B-H Hwy and Shattuck Road. I have been to that store many times. It is next to a Rite Aid, but also across the street from a DIY Car Wash and Vacuum which is unattended, and a Muchas Gracias Mexican Restaurant which is not listed in the Oregon Business Registry for some reason and the same address is also shown as that of a locksmith which would have to be a mobile one in a van since there is no other building at that address which was a Wendy’s until 2009.
I started researching this area sometime before February of 2011, but didn’t pursue it much because no one ever verified she was there until Blink mentioned it recently.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/98150609.html (July, 2010)
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PORTLAND, Ore. – Investigators have collected surveillance videos from local grocery stores in the disappearance of Kyron Horman, sources said.
The corporate offices of Fred Meyer and Albertsons both confirmed to KATU News on Friday they are cooperating with investigators in the Kyron Horman case.
Officials with Albertsons said they’ve turned over surveillance video from their store on Beaverton-Hillsdale Highway on June 4, the day the Skyline School second-grader disappeared.
Fred Meyer officials, however, will only say they are working with detectives regarding at least one store. They said if they turned over surveillance video, it would be up to investigators to disclose it to the media; however, sources said that the Sunset Fred Meyer off Highway 26 in Hillsboro has submitted video for investigators to review.
That store is five miles from Skyline School. The Albertsons, depending on the route taken, is anywhere
from 14 to 16 miles from the school.
MBS, just to clarify, I mentioned ALbertson’s very early on- this came from an inside source I trust.
B
@evie. Wonderful to see you again as you have a unique always insighful local voice very much supporting Kyron. I do remember you pointing that out about Underhill to me before and several locals have mentioned how highly he is thought of in the community.
I don’t think I called him “annointed” but “unopposed.”
As in any Town, like Bellefonte, where a social-political-financial elite has great sway, and I merely asked if this was the case in Portland, “unopposed” can take some time and jockeying among the town fathers and their constituent groups and outcomes can be built on shifting sands, as a former DA hardware store worker in PA could attest.
I asked questions about the political-financial-social factions of Portland especially as applies to LE after reading well done blogs from Portland residents whose urls I didn’t cite due to some comments being squirrelly. After all, Staton was elected. And one only has to read mcso internal investigations on line to know the parties objective professional bacgrounds and weaknesses. I was reminded while many locals here posted in 2010 Sam Adams was a nut job, local blogs also put him in bed with an arguably 17 yo male who was an intern under his supervision. Adams had enough political clout to get elected & stay there, however much posters call him an anomaly. Where was local LE in 2005 or whenever it was Adams was shacking up? Then there’s Leonard’s influential group.
While the social-financial-political elite in Centre County has been subjected to factual analysis overy on Jerry’s thread very productively, including locals’ contributions and the press forging ahead, I don’t see that happening on this thread by locals or other.
the DA’s office and its graduates have great impact in Portland. It seems a training ground for Judges and colleagues. Judging is a better outcome than getting disappeared like in Bellefonte. In Bellefonte it seems District Judges were recruited, at least in 2 cases, from the ranks of impeccable LE.
I asked locals if there could be pedophile rings in Portland affecting any level of the search for Kyron, and after reading about 2 Portland mayors feel it a legitimate question.
Interesting article. There not only is an organized city fathers club where informal discussions lead to city and state outcomes, women were finally allowed to walk inside in 1991: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlington_Club#section_4
Editors also belonged.
( I cannot say how many times tonight I got OregonLive’s
comment just tonight on full site “That article is no longer available”
about articles I wanted to look at.
Did some members of the “Arlington Club” “annoint” Portland’s Police Chief for the upcoming Mayoralty race in Nov 2011?
http://wweek.com/portland/blog-27855-reese_supporters_wil.html
Note the sponsor’s connection to Randy Leonard. The 3 in the race
apparently weren’t cutting it with the financial-social-political elite, so the Police Chief was enlisted.
30,000 comments + and we are no closer to finding our sweet Ky. Two effing years. YEARS. I cannot imagine what Desiree has been through. Personally I hate Kaine bashing. Protective of the family, except Terri. What mama doesn’t fight for her child? (Kiara) At the least, guilty knowledge.
Concerned says:
June 19, 2012 at 7:10 pm
I have friends with kids at Skyline as well as nearby schools mentioned in this thread. Everytime I ask if they are concerned this might have been a random abduction, they all say no way. At least the friends I have asked, all believe this was orchastrated by Terri. The heightened security was definitely a CYA by the schools.
That does not surprise me in the least. Most parents were told flat out Terri was a suspect.
You say “orchestrated”, so SZ gets a pass on any fear?
B
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Just an odd question:
Blink, you stated that “most parents were told flat out Terri was suspect”.
Blink (from your interviewing the parents) do you know if it was just “one” investigator that was saying that Terri was suspect or several of the investigators?
Not that it really matters overall but just curious if you know.
More than one, and more than one agency.
B
Way back there was a youtube video that was “suspect” in most people’s minds and the gist of it was that pornography video tapes were found in a pedophile home and TH was depicted in at least one as a teen.
It may seem farfetched to most people but for me it kind of hits home with a personal nightmare.
Beginning when I was 16 I started receiving pornographic anonymous calls at my home, they escalated into threats. When I was 20, a female co-worker invited me to go out of town with her and I was drugged, woke up 4 hours later with bruises. For over 24 years continued to receive more calls referring to bondage/etc (which I am not and never would even consider) and more threats,. One time while I was with my kids at an isolated county park we were approached by 2 older men, they called me by name and reach out for one of my kids and I freaked and we ran like hell. We have moved numerous times because of this (the caller would always describe our home and habits). Within the past 6 yrs my male co-workers were making comments to me about porn and all of there computers were crashing, finally someone had the nerve to tell me that porn of me was being watch online. I have never seen it but the description leads me to believe it was when I was 20.
I reported everything to LE and they said there was absolutely nothing they could do. I contacted an attorney and was told I have no case.
Anyways, where I am going with all of this is, “if” there is any truth to the youtube video person about the tapes found of terri in her teens, is it possible that the same group targeted Kyron?
I guess if I was investigating this case and saw the youtube video I would be all over trying to see if there was any connection.
mas- Please do not be offended when i say that I have to disclose that I do not know if what you posted is true, because I cannot verify it or you, and if what you are saying has happened to you is accurate, they are absolutely and unequivocally crimes in any jurisdiction.
If you have filed complaints with LE, and no investigation has ensued or follow up on their part, something is wrong and you need to escalate it politely but firmly. If they will not, inform them you would like a copy of all pertinent documents from the incident report and you will forward them to both the State Police and the FBI. Do this yesterday.
Keep in mind you need to be as specific about names dates, times, occurrances, phone numbers, locations, and you will be asked to sign an affidavit if you have not already. Type yourself a timeline and information sheet before you go and take it with you. Telephone Scatology is considered by many PD’s as a nuisance crime, I get that, but in this context I would suggest they check it out.
Lastly, I am unaware of any porn involving TH, and I want to stay as tight to facts as possible.
B
“Did Cook coordinate the whole thing with Kaine?
A B S O L U T E L Y.
B”
I’m confused.
In 2010, Cook has been summoned by KH’s legal and was waiting in the hall outside the courtroom to be called in to testify. Wouldn’t this alleged “coordination” have been discovered had he taken the stand, with consequences for KH?
Yes, he was not called and the petitioner withdrew.
B
Blink – Does your intuition tell you this was a random abduction on June 4th or do you think SZ had Kyron in his sights prior to June 4th?
What I will say is this- because I think it irresponsible of me to answer that “from my gut” , if this was a stranger to stranger sexually motivated incident/crime and subsequent homicide it is the single most difficult crime to solve that exists in any agency of LE today.
I heard this directly out of the mouth of Roy Hazelwood regarding this type of case in general.
There is no better authority in the U.S. and possibly the world I am aware of.
B
quizzical says:
June 26, 2012 at 6:47 pm
@Concerned – The picture was taken on June 6, 2012 approximately 12:54pm. We may have crossed paths. Yes, I would guess few people park on that back wall except possibly at peak use. That is why I think she may have parked there, to have no one on either side of her for ease of getting toddler Ki out of and back into the truck.
Thanks, about the free standing Starbucks. My recollection was from at least a year ago. There was a coffee shop on the inside in that corner of Fred Meyer. I seem to recall it was a Starbucks. Correct me if I am wrong on that one too.
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You have it right! At the Imbrie location there is a smaller Starbucks right inside the FM entrance as depicted in your drawing. There is also a larger, separate Starbucks to the left of Fred Meyer with it’s own entrance. And not to confuse matters but there is also another Starbucks just a few blocks down Cornelius Pass with a drive through window.
In the Walker Road FM store, there is a Peets coffee inside and a separate Starbucks outside that is not connected to the store.
June 26, 2012 at 3:51 pm
MockingbirdSings says:
June 27, 2012 at 1:25 am
@MBS- I am so glad you are posting again, I really missed your thinking and input when you were in the hospital. Your post about the discussions you had with other PPS folks was very interesting. I have found that my local school officials are of the same opinion, as are most of my friends that are aware of Kyron’s case. My “what if it was someone else?” falls on deaf ears for the most part. Do you have a theory/opinion as to why your PPS acquaintances believe this so strongly? Is it just the media influence? Is it something from LE or from PPS that they have been told? I’m quite curious about this.
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Today is June 27th and I am wondering if Kaine’s RO will be extended. If it is, will we even know about it? What does the Judge know that has made him continually extend it?
I keep thinking about TH’s silence. I’m sure it is because of Houze, I don’t find her the type to zip it, more the type to over share. So is she just going to hide at her parents for the next ten years and give up her daughter? WTH is she afraid of? It has been over two years now, why the need for the continued hiding and silence? There must be SOMETHING serious keeping her in this limbo.
I am also wondering what LE knows about SZ that allows them to say this is an isolated incident. Do they know who it is and just can’t find him? That would fit with DAD and who knows how many other MIA creeps. Do they know that SZ is somehow connected to TH but they just cannot make a case without SZ and/or Kyron? I swear all these questions and thoughts are making me nuts.
MBS, just to clarify, I mentioned ALbertson’s very early on- this came from an inside source I trust.
B
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@ Blink – I have written in my old notes that you said which Albertson’s, but I didn’t have that she was actually seen on camera inside the store. Even if you don’t feel able to tell us, do you know what time she was there?
I do.
B
I have to admit, I haven’t read all 15,000+ posts regarding Kyron. I’ve tried to keep up with the latest 500.
It seems Blink has an idea of a SZ & pedophile suspect. However, LE and the parents are keeping the pressure on TH
Is it a likely scenario that the SZ and TH are only connected through TH selling Kyron away? Maybe TH doesn’t even know who SZ is and they only talked online or on the phone?
Meth is one theory of many, to explain TH was in three stores that day. What is your theory?
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Here is an example of why I get stuck going o 3 stores every time I make taco’s for dinner. I like to get my ground beef from New seasons because they have local organic ground beef. New Seasons does not sell Taco Bell Taco sauce and neither does the Safeway near us but Albertsons has it so on to Albertsons for taco sauce. We like to Stand and stuff taco shells but Albertsons only sells them in taco kits which I don’t want because there is salsa and stuff included in the kit I do not want. Since Safeway does sell the stand and stuff taco shells separately then I go there to get my taco shells.
I don’t work I have all day to go to stores that have what I want so to me going to 3 stores in 1 day no big deal.
I guess I am saying that going to 3 stores t does not sound unusual to me at all and would not seem to be an indicator of any nefarious activity.
BTW
Albertsons now sells the Stand and Stuff taco shells separately so now I only need to go to 2 stores when I want to make tacos.
Has Kyron’s FBI poster always said this at the bottom?
“If you have any information concerning this person, please contact your local FBI office or the nearest American Embassy or Consulate.”
(The pdf properties says created 2/5/12, so is that part new?)
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/kyron-richard-horman/view
@quizzical says:
June 26, 2012 at 1:14 am
Thanks for posting those pictures quizz! You’ve done a lot good work.
One thing that caught my attention is the picture of MCSO Walker Rd. FM parking lot and your picture taken of the same lot on 6/6/12: Are my eyes playing tricks on me or is that the same vehicle at the very left of your picture, that appears parked by the wall in the MCSO picture?
I think some had thought this was supposed to represent DAD’s vehicle. Now that I see your picture, unless it is just pure coincidence, I’m guessing this is an employee’s vehicle. Employees are generally instructed to use the outer parking spaces at most businesses. Terri’s friend’s vehicle? Maybe she works at Walker and not Imbrie?
Of course, it’s hard to say for sure that it is the same vehicle without a license plate, but it’s very curious.
I haven’t posted in a long time, but I keep reading..hoping and praying. Please keep in mind that Tylenol had a recall on children’s pain medication during the time TH was trying to find something for ear pain.
I drive the same year mustang as TH had, my husband has a pick-up truck and my grandaughter is the same age as Kyron’s baby sister. I’ve said from the beginning I didn’t see anything strange about using the truck that day instead of the mustang…more wiggle room.
Do I think TH is completely innocent? No…I think she got involved with a group of people (drug cartel) and had no clue who she was dealing with and Kyron paid the ultimate price for it.
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister, friends and classmates
wpg says: June 27, 2012 at 10:20 am
I’m confused. In 2010, Cook has been summoned by KH’s legal and was waiting in the hall outside the courtroom to be called in to testify. Wouldn’t this alleged “coordination” have been discovered had he taken the stand, with consequences for KH?
Blink says: Yes, he was not called and the petitioner withdrew.
B
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Like you Blink, I totally believe that Cook coordinated this whole thing with Kaine. What I don’t understand is why would Kaine’s legal summon Cook, wouldn’t it come out that they were trying to set TH up?
I doubt that was shared with Kaine’s lawyer upfront. I cannot see a former prosecutor subjorning that.
B
T. Ruth says:
June 27, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Has Kyron’s FBI poster always said this at the bottom?
“If you have any information concerning this person, please contact your local FBI office or the nearest American Embassy or Consulate.”
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I wondered about that when I first saw it too, but I checked some of the others, and all the FBI posters I saw do include that statement.
Never seen this blog before, perhaps you all may have. I don’t have time to read much today, but this is one of the OL poster’s blogs about Kyron. I did read the one about the 5000 tips and counting, and I have to agree. 5,000 tips and none of them have found Kyron, and also importantly none of them have tied Terri to his disappearance. Whatcha’ think MCSO, time to look elsewhere?
T. Ruth- with much respect, If I dont know it, I am not posting it. I feel like there is a side-choosing mess going on, and do not want to pay attention to it here.
B
@MBS
Honestly, plain old sort of educated people all think the case is solved
And the body will never be found
That Terri did it
Yet I hang back
because it does not make sense to me
I am sure your PPS friends are the finest of folks but if in your heart you have even a small doubt we must carry on
And I do repect you lots
cd says:
June 27, 2012 at 1:13 pm
I think someone else started this theory again but I can’t remember who. Sorry.
“Meth is one theory of many, to explain TH was in three stores that day. What is your theory?”
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I just want to say that not all meth users develop the sores and teeth problems. There are some with no physical characteristics at all. I was told it depends on how you get it into your body, what else you use with it, maybe your genes, whatever, but I know some users and I’ve seen both personally. There are personality and behavior signs that are bigger clues to me than physical appearance although if someone has that look, it’s hard to mistake. Craving a lot of candy and falling asleep while driving (single car accidents) are 2 things that you can add to the mix of what to watch for. Also most use other drugs during the meth cycle – pot or alcohol, for example.
Most of the meth users around here tend to be less confrontational, more neglectful of any responsibilities including children, and not so much into making it themselves as they used to be – there are plenty of drugs coming up I5 and into this area all the time. This information comes from LE in the Clackamas County area. I was also told they cheat each other all the time, shoplift, steal ID, etc., get locked up, and go right back to using when they get out. There is treatment but it’s limited and to be effective, studies show, needs to last 2 years – which nobody will pay for at this point. One officer said they are “docile” compared to many other criminals.
One of the 2 meth users I personally know best has said that the only thing that works for awhile to keep him off meth is online gambling which he says gives him the closest high to what meth gives. Unfortunately, Oregon has many easy opportunities for that too. He was restricted from bars (on probation) and casinos, but now it’s available in areas of restaurants so it’s pretty hard to monitor.
All this is just my experience in the Portland Metro area. I do not claim to be an expert or that my experience is universal.
T. Ruth says:
June 27, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Has Kyron’s FBI poster always said this at the bottom?
“If you have any information concerning this person, please contact your local FBI office or the nearest American Embassy or Consulate.”
(The pdf properties says created 2/5/12, so is that part new?)
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/kyron-richard-horman/view
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Had to check and all the missing person’s flyers on the fbi site have the same statement.
This is so grossly incongruent with a strategy designed to resolve a case or generate leads I have no idea why people seem so intent to have a dry creekbed in their frontage.
Makes me nuts.
B
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gotta add my no-cents worth to the above … what I know about such investigations has fallen completely into the stratosphere such that it was making me nuts as well … my can of mixed nuts is just about full
I am not smart in this field
But I always thought you could only sue someone for the amount of money they have or can earn
In a lifetime
10million is alot of money
Does Terri have resources for 10million
Lea???
@cd, lol, tacos. I agree that three stores in and of itself says nothing. I buy my fresh foods at one, and the rest at another. If something set of the bells, as Blink stated (paraphrase), then what does someone go to three stores to get? Not duct tape at one, a shovel at another, and a container at another, kwim? Apparently, it is what she did or bought at those stores that raised suspicion early on, so I was just speculating on what it could be; pharmaceuticals, money, “landscaping equipment,” IDK what else there is? Suggestions?
That was my point in bringing up Albertsons. They would not submit tapes unless she was on them. Why is it that LE did not have it on the flyer? They seemed to expect to find unusual activity in the FM parking lots, but not at Albertsons? What does her stop at Albertsons say about her timeline? About getting back and forth to Sauvie Island? Why doesn’t a reporter put a microphone into LE’s face and ask the question?
I just want the truth, (and I know we all do) and if that means forgetting what I think I know, and trying to figure out what I do not know, then help me get there. I am not afraid to admit I am wrong about everything…now, show me the way.
quizzical says:
June 27, 2012 at 12:45 am
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Managers of the Fred Meyer store in Hillsboro and the Albertsons on Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy. have confirmed they’ve submitted surveillance video and are cooperating with detectives.
Yep.
B
I could not agree more.
B