Kyron Horman Missing Case Breaking News: Remains Believed To Be Human Located Off Sauvie Island
Sauvie Island, Oregon-There are unconfirmed reports that a teenage boy fishing off of Sauvie Island located a human skull, and potentially other human body parts.
Update 1: As referenced on KOIN, a teenage fisherman believes he snagged a scalp with human hair attached, which he originally thought was horse hair. Columbia County detectives cordoned off the scene last evening and MCSO dive teams entered the water but found nothing. The possible “hair” was sent for testing.
Multnomah County Sheriff Office will not comment on the find, or confirm whether their office has facilitated the removal of same, or forwarded any items to the medical examiner for testing.
Following the disappearance of Kyron Horman, Sauvie Island has been the subject of repeated searchers for the missing Skyline second grader with no results.
It is also the former home of a man considered to be Federal fugitive following a confrontation with a Lincoln City officer with nearly fatal results. Officer Steven Dodds was able to return to duty after extensive rehabilitation.
Durham was a Sauvie Island resident for over 6 years and a volunteer fire fighter until he was removed from duty 6 months prior to the shooting.
David Durham’s dog was recovered injured following what appeared to be an accident in the suspects vehicle and is being cared for by a friend of the family. Mr. Durham has not been seen since his vehicle was recovered in the bay town of Waldport, Oregon.
Please check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates to this breaking story.
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@mas–so sorry that happened to you and that you have to continue to live in fear! I know someone here can clarify this better than me but I think you are referring to a couple of videos that were released “hinting” that Kyron may have been taken by a pedo ring with one head leader?! We all found out just who the woman was that posted them and she is super-duper sketchy. Not that it couldn’t be true by any means just that she has never been a reliable source.
I hope you have family or good friends around where you live and/or a significant other to help you cope with the troubles you’ve had! Good luck and stay safe.
I’m with cd. Even in old age, my life still revolves around kids–school or getting into the next one , lessons, sports etc & I have no life of my own. Since I’m not in an office, hell would freeze over before I stay home during the day, , and I’d never do homebound hobbies like scrapbooking or sewing like my sister does. I’m one of the people who lives the European way and collect my cheese, meats, vegies etc at the time needed. Cd is right: organic stores have meat but no coke and then there’s the bits from a 3rd store.
It is pathetic to add zest to life from a trip to Starbucks or the five and dime, or the same old gym or 3 stores. But my choices in parenting gave me a pathetic life, andI remember those drives to soothe teethers. Even now I will go out of the way for a country drive, bag of farm apples, and ferry ride across the river. I think many of Terri’s choices related to a good life for James.
As Blink says, though, Cd, all those actions become interpretable in light of the crime,
and it is reasonable to view them as sinister. You just have to work the random stranger too, and the alarm
is MCSO/DA gave no indicia of same.
@Malty
Imo You can sue for any Dxxn amount you please.
The goal is to be punitive.
If the jury award is not in proportion to the injury, the Judge can reduce it,
The bigger payout out would come imo from that intentional infliction of emotional harm.
They can factor in Kyron’s expected earnings over his lifetime, add a monetary value for all the comfort & joy he’d bring Mom for X years together (60 or so?! on this earth (will they reduce it because for 21 years he’d only see her every other weekend?).
Add in her anguish and suffering.
And Stir.
But if the case is on contingency fee as many torts, the attorney will ask as much as he can.
Makes the case worth his while.
Think John Edwards litigating career type cases.
Hoping Lea is here after Houze’ answer if not before.
I could be wrong, but how would FM, Albertson’s or any other store already know that Terri was on their footage, especially parking lot footage. I seriously doubt they had their own employees go over the footage before handing it into LE. IIRC, LE asked for other places as well, to submit their video footage from that day. Even the little market by the school was asked to submit any video footage. I would assume they retrieved the gym’s as well. LE would have been the ones to review them, not the stores themselves. When they it was reported that they specifically asked for Albertsons’ and Freddy’s, since it was later in the case, I assumed it was to verify Terri’s story of being there.
So anyway, how would we know whether or not Terri Horman was on any of the submitted videos, other than what LE provided in their flier? Have I missed a report where it was confirmed that she was seen on any other business’s video cams? In fact, isn’t it true, that LE has never really come out and said she was at the first FM? Only the second one has been confirmed, and that was confirmed by Andrea Leckey’s encounter with her. Terri is the one who said she had a receipt from the first FM. We’ve never heard LE say that, have we? For all we know, she had the receipt allrighty, but never showed up in their video cam? Unless I’ve missed something, or am remembering wrong, we just don’t know.
Feeling, like a mushroom, kept in the dark and fed a lot of BS.
@Blink. given Cook ex’s online skewering of him as a drug addled, sex crazed dealer, he’d be pretty easy to impeach.
What that says about male buddies he’d coordinate divorce fodder with, idk.
@MBS. What you describe is a failure of a free press.
@Shelley. re principal. I felt when Keefer left to his particular Middke & Wood came both were on an Administrative path Skyline is a step in and Wood would be there 2 years as he already came from
Admin but needed school based experience. What better than K-8?
That means Skyline principals have goid education and experience but more than that, the critical variable for an Admin rocket track is political connections. That ensures Skyline principals have an affable personality, mostly protect the budget, and best of all will keep the small school open in a consolidation era. So, principals come and go,
but the school is open for business.
@Blink. As an old social worker, if I were Kaine, I’d meet with that newish FBI Field Office Dir and ask how he’d approach this cold case. I’d try to form an alliance, defer to his ideas, indicate my flexibility, put my other priorities ($, solo parenting) off the table. If I could form an alliance, and he’d indicate any means by which either his Office, or he recommended a State office, or the PPB cold case unit, I’d ask him politically how engineering that case reworking could be approached? I’d ask him to work with me for that outcome.
Hopefully it would result in a 3 way meeting with Staton as next step. When Staton got on board to a new approach, I’d go for a 4 way meeting with Underhill. . And get the case in hands that will move forward.
resarching Michael Cook to see what he’s up to these days, it suddenly came to me if he coordinated with Kaine ( which has always made sense), then the legally tittilating aspect of the sexting–that texts mirrored Terri’s & RS–was fed to him as a model by Kaine based on knowledge frim LE, or more likely orchestrated by LE via Kaine. Entrapment malfeasance like the latter was allegedly operationally typical of Art Baltizan’s local fbi tenure.
And what LE wants to admit failed entrapment schemes?
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/160.htm
Skyline’s staff directory is now labelled 2012-2013. Sage is on there; Wood is not.
El Ed level Classrooms:
Two K-1
Two 2-3
Four 4-5.
interesting.
Perhaps they would know by transaction records first. For example, LE traces purchases on TH’s debit card, and notifies FM or Albertsons that they have reason to believe she was in the store. After all, it could be someone else using her card. They ask for cooperation or if they need to get a subpoena. Just a thought.
T. Ruth says:
June 27, 2012 at 8:04 pm
I understand going to different stores for different things, but I’d imagine if I had a sick child in pain, I’d probably do grocery shopping after I got her all fixed up. No disrespect intended at all, I absolutely go to different places for different things, I just think it’d be a lot more difficult with a baby in pain, you know? I know she said the first FM was out of medicine, but was the 2nd one out as well?
@TRuth. imo she told them
she went there. they were verifying.
That makes a lot of sense.
bumble says:
June 27, 2012 at 2:38 am
Re: SZ not being on the list, I take it to mean that whatever witness saw SZ was able to say that none of the people on the list matched SZ. Perhaps the witness was shown photos of all people on the list? I guess that would be a lot of photos, and it does not sound like the witness had a good look, so maybe something about SZ is unique. But then, all the more reason to release the description, no? IDK. Need to go to bed!
Idahogal says:
June 27, 2012 at 11:40 am
(snipped)
Today is June 27th and I am wondering if Kaine’s RO will be extended. If it is, will we even know about it? What does the Judge know that has made him continually extend it?
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I’ve missed you as well. Sometimes I think the well has run dry and what could I possibly say, but then someone else will spark an idea or ask a question.
I don’t think we will know about the RO unless a reporter/news station requests the information from court records. (I suspect they will.) I believe last year it was reported right after it happened, not on the day of. It was faxed to the judge and then signed and filed, so there was no hearing to attend or anyone waiting outside a courtroom.
The content of the update was published online as well – I posted a link to last year’s in the last day or two.
All the judge has to know is what happened at the beginning and whether anything has changed. Arguing for a modification or dropping it would be up to Terri. She would have to ask for a hearing. Otherwise, there is no known time limit for the RO. The only other way it can change is for Kaine to forget or decide not to renew it. Then he would have to reapply.
I’m not sure the update by Kaine’s attorney was required (I posted that also) – it was only 2 paragraphs, or whether she added it just in case there were questions. I don’t expect any new information to come out because of the RO, but if it did, we’d all be grateful, I’m sure.
Erose says:
June 27, 2012 at 4:56 pm
(regarding TH purchases at Albertsons)
Blink says
Disclaimer: I am not saying I know what she purchased- a hypothetical.
IE: boxes of benadryl, an epi pen, latex gloves, bleach. In other words, open to interpretation, did they assume something she bought was to be used in the commission of a crime to set that blaze to 4 alarm? I think yes.
B
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Updated posted by Kelly Davidson Ramirez 7 days ago
Kyron Fact: Kyron got his first pair of glasses at the age of 2.
He is allergic to bees.
http://www.gofundme.com/kyronhorman
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I found it interesting that blink says TH may have bought an epi pen at Albertsons and kyron was known to be allegoric to bee stings.
as It could be life threatening if the allegery was unknown and a bee sting occurred.
It is also odd that when LE was ask if kyron had any medical conditions the bee allergy that Kelly mentions on the gofundme site was never mentioned. I would have thought that it would be something that should have been known especially if Kyron was being held by someone. Note Desiree and Kaine never mention the bee allergy either.
JMO
Hold- keep in mind that was a strict hypothetical of mine, just to provide an example of interpretible.
IE: an epi pen is used for bee stings, it can also be used in an emergency to restart the heart. It is mostly used for precaution and it need a script. One could probably list at least 10 preventative measures for one, and an equal amount of “rescue”.
Another example- suppose she bought 3 boxes of maxi pads, overnight use and she did not have her period.
1. She could be lining something she did not want to leak.
2. She could be treating a wound but wanting to not alert anyone by buying gauze, etc.
3. They could be on sale and she is stocking up , found that out when she got there.
As an investigator, I would be very interested in knowing if she had in her possession what she purchased and where it was located. The backstory, if you will.
B
only read p1 of roy hazelwood interview but I think he’s great, esp traits of a successful profiler, Blink.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/profiling/hazelwood/1.html
jogged a memory. His college experience, which imo
had little to do with his success, was Sam Houston State. I founded a Jr Civitan club in high school, not knowing then it was in Tex at that time totally right wing (None Dare Call It Treason, anyone?). The adukts sent us to Sam Houston State for a yearly meeting, which was scarey as there was a prison in that town.
Dare I enquire if he or his fbi successors did the profile you published, Blink?
As for the hot mess “camps” you want to avoid here, those have some scrutiny value imo.
Unfortunately, I’ve forgotten more social psychology than I knew to start with.
But, imo the camps matter somehow.
If only in analysing the constipation of the case.
It’s a chicken or egg thing.
Do syncophants so surround the Principals’ camps, all three, they have no social/psychological need to enlist professional advisors/collaborators? Or, is there something about one, or more — likely all — of the Principals that engenders these rigid, closeminded, and sometimes lawless, camps? If the latter, it’s a personality disorder issue, but PD can function in high structure: police husband/accounting job; Intel plus workout schedule; parents’ home & no other obligations. I remember a school principal once saying “They find each other.”
I lean to explanation one: the syncophants so enable inflexibility that interface with competent advisors and analysis is lost.
If Mr. Hazelwood were to profile Ky’s case, it would be published (but would not in an active investigation) in his name. And he would never profile it without every known fact of the case from LE.
B
Gillmore got denied parole, again. Thankfully. Thankfully our state representative stepped up and was able to get the court to hear testimony of two of Gillmores’ victims who he was not tried for nor convicted of assaulting.
Another sick effwad remains in jail.
@T. Ruth says:
June 27, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Lol. I hadn’t noticed that vehicle. It certainly looks similar. Actually, none of those side view vehicles in either picture back there are against “the” far rock wall. They are parked on the side wall.
@erose says:
June 27, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Exactly. For me it is how does it fit in the TMH time line. I could guess the tapes were requested from Fred Meyer and Albertson’s because TMH mentioned them in describing her activities on June 4 to LE, or bank records or witnesses indicated she was there. But LE was also asking for June 3 photos or videos. Blink seems to be verifying via her source that TMH was at the B-H Albertson’s on June 4. Sorry I am so dense. It would be helpful to know the time she was seen on video or at least whether that Albertson’s visit was in the morning or the afternoon, ie. before or after her time at 24-hour fitness.
If before 24-hour fitness it could make the “few minutes” comment seem more sensible, but it would certainly mess with some other time lines (especially my guess, lol).
If after, it means that she would have had to leave 24-hour fitness much earlier than reported or indicated by TMH. This possibility has been discussed, ie. TMH was at 24-hour fitness for as little as 15 minutes. Blink has indicated 24-hour fitness customers and/or staff were interviewed by LE to determine among other things when she left.
At the end of the following post Blink seems to confirm that TMH left early?
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http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/08/26/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-attorneys-call-her-a-suspect/comment-page-12/#comment-1618233
Nancy says:
September 1, 2010 at 11:50 pm
mosaic says:
A note to “Nancy”: Logic and facts will get you a lot farther with this crowd than anger and rumors. Many of us have kept an open mind. Give us the logic. But if it’s a lie, I’ll guarantee you this group will figure it out.
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Mosaic: There’s a Nancy and NancyS on this board. I’m Nancy so I assume you were addressing me in your above post. Therefore I am also assuming you were referring to my earlier post about the information below.
It is a fact that very early in the investigation my daughter told me that her co-worker (who uses the same gym Terri did on June 4) stated that LE had been at the gym numerous times conducting interviews, and that TH (who usually stays for around an hour) was only there that day for 15 minutes. I should also add the co-worker said LE spent a lot of time speaking with TH’s training partner (have no idea who that is).
Is the information from my daughter’s co-worker true? Only LE knows for sure. I truthfully shared with this group exactly what I was told, and in no way (then or now) present the co-worker’s information as fact.
And I’m not so much angry as heartsick about Kyron. I just want him to be brought home to his family, as do all the thoughtful posters here.
I am aware of her training partner and that is correct.
B
@CD
Love tacos and I run where I want searching out the best price
Terri is taking the 5th for some reason
I just threw shoplifting out there
They had some. Nice stuff in the FB pics and the kids have nice clothes
But most of all Kaine said she spends to much
But she said he was tight with money
I think until some facts come out about Terri that
Turn me around I wll continue to believe a SZ went in the school and got Kyron
I don’t see any real reason to sue the school
At this point because no one knows what happened and his own Dad claims he is alive
And is coming home
Even updates his room
Talks of Kyron helping finding missing children
If this is the case how can they sue
Was Kyron seen inside the school with SZ outside the school or both?
This may have been discussed before but I can’t remember.
Here we go with another “Isolated incident”…
Might you cover this one too Blink? (in your spare time of course). Seems like everyday another child goes missing.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/28/utah-authorities-search-for-suspect-in-killing-sexual-assault-6-year-old-girl/
Kozyotb says:
June 25, 2012 at 11:36 am
IIRC there has been discussion TH might have been notified of Kyron’s abduction earlier in the day.
Blink – do you think it is possible TH knew Kyron had been abducted before he did not get off the bus? In your opinion has LE found anything of Kyron’s besides his backpack and jacket which was left in the school?
If TH was involved, and for me, that is still a ginormous IF as far as evidence is concerned, than yes, I do.
I believe LE recovered Ky’s glasses or glasses that were designed to be found and assumed to be his.
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@Blink, your choice of words, “glasses that were designed to be found”.
Are you saying possible “set-up”? Glasses that were either not Kyron’s, or a second pair of Kyron’s glasses, that were “planted” somewhere by someone trying to make it look like Kyron was somewhere he may not have been? “Designed” as in, someone planted them in a particular location that LE would assume they were the glasses Kyron was wearing that day?
(snipped) “IE: an epi pen is used for bee stings, it can also be used in an emergency to restart the heart. It is mostly used for precaution and it need a script. One could probably list at least 10 preventative measures for one, and an equal amount of “rescue”.
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Could an Epi overdose result in a death?
I’m gonna say this again regarding the multiple stores and the recall on childrens pain meds. The meds were pulled from most shelves before the recall was made public. I know this because I ran from one store to another trying to find children’s tylenol before my sister (she works at a local grocery store) told me about the recall.
My point is…I find it believable that she wanted to switch the stang for the truck and that she went in search of pain meds for her daughter.
At what point in time will this be considered a “cold case”. Or it is already? I assume that the investigation will always be “open”, so does that mean LE never releases any more information to progress the case?
bee sting allergy,
2 snips from Willamette Week articles:
1. snipped from July 1, 2010 article
“More Notes from the Strange Press Conference with Kyron Horman’s Family”
…”He is allergic to bees like his mom.”…
http://wweek.com/portland/blog-1030-more_notes_from_the_strange_press_conference_with_.html
2. snipped from July 10, 2010 article
“Kyron’s Parents Describe Web of Deception from Stepmom”
…”"She can’t even tell the truth about her divorce or, you know, how she met Kaine, any of that,” Young says. “Silly little things. Stories about Kyron getting stung by a bee she can’t even tell the truth about.”…
http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-976-kyrons_parents_describe_web_of_deception_from_step.html
lyla says:
June 28, 2012 at 11:05 am
Here we go with another “Isolated incident”…
Might you cover this one too Blink? (in your spare time of course). Seems like everyday another child goes missing.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/28/utah-authorities-search-for-suspect-in-killing-sexual-assault-6-year-old-girl/
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RIP Sierra. My God when will this stop?
Just a thought, maybe the “things” that Staton, when saying (paraphrasing here) there are things we know that we wished we didn’t, were a part or portion of what was eventually presented to Desiree Young.
2 quotes from Desiree Young:
February 19, 2011
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Kyron-Hormans-mother-puts-pressure-116540373.html
0:38 time mark
“I know horrifying things about her and specifically about my son. She has a severe hatred for him. And she is capable of hurting him and I believe that’s what she did.”
February 20, 2011
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/kyron-horman-12959259
“We had a briefing just before the holidays and we were presented with some evidence they have on Terri that was concerning to us and indicated that not only could Terri be capable of this, that it was clear she hated Kyron and blamed everything on Kyron, and she had expressed that in writing on several occasions to various different friends and people she knew.”
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(sorry for any typing-typos on my part)
@cbickel –
Totally understood about the recall, but what I don’t understand is why she went all the way out to that Albertson’s. There are many grocery stores in between Fred Meyer #2 and Albertson’s on Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy.
Also, the fact that she never included (as far as I know) Alberston’s in her own timeline. I also don’t remember her ever stating that the 2nd Fred Meyer were out of the meds. Those two things, to me, are what seems fishy.
@erose says:
June 27, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Yes, you are right of course. She could even have used her “rewards” card, both Albertson’s and Freddy’s have such a plan, however if she was buying something to do a crime with, she would be an idiot to use anything other than cash. In fact, IMO, if she had been buying something to do a “planned” crime, the purchases would have been made long, long ago, and most probably no where near the scene of the crime. Remember the cell phones that were purchased “after” Kyron went missing. Wasn’t there a report the purchases were made with cash?
Why would someone smart enough to do that, not be smart enough to not purchase the items to commit a murder the day of the murder, and/or the day before and using a debit or credit card?
I just feel LE was simply trying to verify what Terri told them, where she was and where she had parked. JMO
The Maxie pads amuse me
I know some people who put them in their shoes for sore feet
The Albertsons over by me has most stuff behind the glass
Pharmacy
Including stop smoking products which are on shelves
Else where
I can’t figure out what she bought
Unless it was a cleaning product or insect spray
Some thing like that
So right Blink, I wanna know what TH purchased that morning, if anything! You know that by mentioning maxi pads someone will pick that up and run with that story.
Mbs–you are also right about a persons appearance while using meth. I’ve seen some use it and you’ve never been able to tell they were on it. Some that use the “dirty” type (bathtub or shake-n-bake)have lots more side effects that those using mass produced meth from say Mexican Cartel’s who produce a “clean” product like Ice. I guess it really depends on the person, some peeps bug out on drugs and some act kinda normal.
Back to a little speculatin’….if lawnman/lover was into drugs could he have been pushing a little meth and/or weed? Would love to know just what the dual(?)investigation was. Might not have even involved lawnman. Fun to wonder but I really want this poor child found and want some facts from LE!
I was writing this as wpg was also writing. (wpg says: June 28, 2012 at 12:54 pm.)
I was thinking about the lie about the bee sting. How many ways can you turn that around? (Of course, it appears no reporter asked what the lie was or how long ago it was.)
Was it that he got stung and she didn’t tell so they wouldn’t blame her for it – but he told Desiree later?
Perhaps he didn’t get stung but she wanted people to think he did and that she “saved” him?
Maybe she said he got stung but she didn’t have the Pen with her and she discovered he was not allergic to it after all, trying to lead others to let their guard down about the danger?
Maybe she used the pen on him knowing there was no bee sting, wanting to see how he would react or to hurt him, but said he got stung to explain that?
I know these questions are a stretch – but, hey, there are only so many ways you can lie about a bee sting – and why would you unless it was for some selfish purpose? A bee sting can be a life or death matter.
Blink used the Epi only as an example, but the bee sting information wasn’t new. I have added a little more information about the Pens, but I’m not saying I think that’s what she bought. In fact, if anything, I’d say no to getting one at Albertson’s because I doubt they filled their prescriptions there (just a guess that FM was more likely).
The bee allergy was announced on July 1, 2010. It was said by someone later that Desiree is also allergic to bees. An Epi-Pen requires a prescription and doctors generally don’t give you more than 1 (or 1 set for Epi Jr) per prescription unless you have a reason for more. The school would have (should have) known about the bee allergy, was likely to have an extra Epi for him stored in the school office area and one or more people in the building trained to use it.
I would expect there to be an Epi set for Desiree (for Kyron) and one for Kaine since they live so far apart and Kyron traveled back and forth. They do have an expiration date and need to be replaced about every 2 years or if discolored, left in a hot car, etc.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_search_family_mem.html
“They also released new physical information about the missing child. Kyron is allergic to bees. And he has a strawberry birthmark in the middle of his forehead that has faded, but reappears when he cries or becomes excited.”
I don’t believe it has been said how they know this. Either he had a previous bad reaction, or he was tested because Desiree has the same allergy.
He had to have had a previous reaction. There is no reason to believe a person is allergic to bees that has never been stung because of a parent allergy, and vice versa.
B
I hope this link works
As I find Kaine saying he hardly ever thinks of Terri anymore real unusual considering he thinks she is a threat to him and his family
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Kyron-Horman-Desiree-Young-Kain-Horman-Terri-Horman-civil-lawsuit-156159635.html?tab=video&m=y&smobile=y
VLH says:
June 28, 2012 at 1:41 pm
@cbickel –
Totally understood about the recall, but what I don’t understand is why she went all the way out to that Albertson’s. There are many grocery stores in between Fred Meyer #2 and Albertson’s on Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy.
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None of that about meds made any sense to me, ESPECIALLY if you are toting around a fussy child.
I was looking for allergy meds about the same time for my grandson – during the recall. The recall did not include generic brands but not every store sold generic brands of all the meds. Target had some of the generic which was not recalled because it was made at another facility. If you were looking for something recalled, notices were taped to the shelves and you knew it was gone from all stores of any kind. The easiest thing to do would have been to check at the pharmacy for what similar drugs might be available (using their computer database) and where it could be purchased – even if OTC.
If she was looking for a medicine that was simply sold out, she had a cell phone or the store’s customer service. Why drive all over rather than call the closest store and ask if they had any? Same with a prescription item – have the pharmacy call.
If it was “medicine”, this all applies whether it was for an earache or teething or she just wanted a child to go to sleep.
excuse me if I confuse the names of Meisenheimer and Grine.
I don’t care about the rules of ROs when a childrens’ court judge doesn’t give a rats ass
about investigation wrt the best interests of the child by ordering home studies by DHS and a GAL
and making an informed decision. Just like Grine went with the politically popular Jer
without requiring investigation, Meisenheimer relies on even less ftom the popular Kaine,
, and that from former office colleagues. Recuse. Recall.
Here’s how I see it.
J Meisenheimer issued a RO against a mother wrt a child who had never been threatened whom all observors , but the husband, would attest was loving. He did this at the request of the father ex parte represented by a work colleague from his DA Office days based on untested and unsworn hearsay from unnamed LE. And weknow LE was saying same to all and sundry. His action was reasonable at that time as a represented emergency, although based on his relationship to Rackner, imo he should’ve recused.
What I find unforgiveable is he did not follow this up with a Status hearing with oral sworn testimony from LE substantiating Kaine’s sworn writing and appoint a GAL for kiara. I suppose this is because he doesnt want to put Kaine in jeopardy of perjury if Kaine can’t find an LE to back up his RO testimony under oath. I can only think tge Women’s Bar is not up in arms because it’s Rackner. Recall.
@ Blink: http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/06/11/kyron-horman-missing-case-breaking-news-remains-believed-to-be-human-located-off-sauvie-island/comment-page-11/#comment-1926546
“LE made errors in this case, some big ones, and I believe that behind closed doors, everyone has already come to terms with it. I make mistakes, you make mistakes, all human beings do.
The thing is, then how do they get corrected to affect the recovery of a 7 year old child?
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That is, apparently, the ten million dollar question. Assuming the entire investigation was botched, it’s hard to imagine resolution. It’s harder still to imagine how long TMH can remain in her current circumstances. What is going to break the standstill?
@erose says:
June 26, 2012 at 11:51 pm
“You all don’t get JACK from your LE, and yet there is no public demand from the community or news sources for answers. Why is that? Help me understand.”
As MBS’s post about her dinner with past PPS colleagues.. people are convinced in the main that TMH is responsible. Every person in a position to answer, who I have asked (several), has blown me off. I persist in reading and thinking about what you all write because I think there might be more to the story.
The only explanation I have for the media is financial. I think they simply don’t have staff for investigative reporting anymore, any of them.
@ Rose says:
June 27, 2012 at 3:29 am
“I asked locals if there could be pedophile rings in Portland affecting any level of the search for Kyron, and after reading about 2 Portland mayors feel it a legitimate question.”
Not being a member of one, I can’t say myself. It’s not common knowledge, there are no rumors that I am aware of.. and I just don’t want to get in an argument splitting hairs about what constitutes a pedophile. The two mayors you reference have very different.. uh, urges, and for other reasons, I don’t find them in the same class as each other, but I understand that people (self included) are looking for patterns.
I’m sorry for the late reply and not being to express myself adequately. @ erose & Rose especially, I never meant to cause any of you here offense.
MockingbirdSings, I’d like to especially thank you for sharing the arc of your though processes and for you to know that some of us are keeping up the good fight in your old neighborhood in the north. I suppose some of my emotion attached to what I’ve been reading is akin to people who make wholesale judgements about that (this) part of town without being here.
All any of us can do is keep trying, I’ll just try to find the right venue to do so.
ev
Blink,
The alleged mfh, is it still a he said/she said situation?
RS is free as a bird on this . . . and no RO against him by KH?
That would have been my very first question. Oh, she did? Wouldn’t there be a request for a RO against the alleged “accomplice”?
B
If Judge M would do this (grant and continue in place the original RO) on the avowals of hearsay of LE, without direct sworn LE testimony, ex parte at the petitioning by one former work setting colleague, there are more out there imo. What Judicial ethics commission will find them? MBS: I don’t care that the restrained party had to prove innocence. I care that having signed an Emergency RO, he never went back and required sworn LE testimony on which the RO was totally based. He needed some sworn evidence on the hearsay because that was the entire RO foundation. And he had the power to get it. Are there no feminists supporting mother’s rights in contested divorces in Portland?
TY for that. I can tell I am STILL not totally objective, as it has been drilled into my head for so long that she was uncooperative.
Rose says:
June 27, 2012 at 10:14 pm
@TRuth. imo she told them
she went there. they were verifying.
@erose. oh she may have been uncooperative.
But if she had not told them she was at That Albertson’s, who would?
@T.Ruth
T. Ruth says:
June 28, 2012 at 1:20 pm
lyla says:
June 28, 2012 at 11:05 am
Here we go with another “Isolated incident”…
Might you cover this one too Blink? (in your spare time of course). Seems like everyday another child goes missing.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/28/utah-authorities-search-for-suspect-in-killing-sexual-assault-6-year-old-girl/
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RIP Sierra. My God when will this stop?
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Children abducted from their homes has become a phenomenon the last few years..”parents have not been ruled out”..Isabel Celis, Lisa Irwin, the list goes on.
Let’s see..how may children have been abducted from their homes in the last year or two
Rose says:
June 28, 2012 at 5:15 pm
If Judge M would do this (grant and continue in place the original RO) on the avowals of hearsay of LE, without direct sworn LE testimony, ex parte at the petitioning by one former work setting colleague, there are more out there imo. What Judicial ethics commission will find them? MBS: I don’t care that the restrained party had to prove innocence. I care that having signed an Emergency RO, he never went back and required sworn LE testimony on which the RO was totally based. He needed some sworn evidence on the hearsay because that was the entire RO foundation. And he had the power to get it. Are there no feminists supporting mother’s rights in contested divorces in Portland?
@Rose:
Has the mother even challenged the RO?
If Kyron was being held alive somewhere, he would need his glasses, therefore whoever was holding hom(if they wanted to leave glasses) would leave a similar pair, I think.
Oops, should read “holding him” above
Still have a comment pending from this morning.
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@Blink
I have a question for you, which might involve too lengthy an answer, but you keep referencing that LE has made a lot of mistakes in this case. I don’t follow a lot of cases, but I know of two. One they already admitted, they neglected to secure records of the school that could have been pertinent to this case. Two, the failed sting. Could you, when you have time, go over at least some of the others you feel they made and/or what they should/could have done differently. Or anyone else jump in who is familiar with how these cases are *usually* handled. Thanks.
I want to add this to my last request. Other than general knowledge about these types of cases, I’m thinking that if we *know* what LE *didn’t do*, maybe it will make us think outside the box about what may have resulted if they had done it.