Kyron Horman Missing Case Breaking News: Remains Believed To Be Human Located Off Sauvie Island
Sauvie Island, Oregon-There are unconfirmed reports that a teenage boy fishing off of Sauvie Island located a human skull, and potentially other human body parts.
Update 1: As referenced on KOIN, a teenage fisherman believes he snagged a scalp with human hair attached, which he originally thought was horse hair. Columbia County detectives cordoned off the scene last evening and MCSO dive teams entered the water but found nothing. The possible “hair” was sent for testing.
Multnomah County Sheriff Office will not comment on the find, or confirm whether their office has facilitated the removal of same, or forwarded any items to the medical examiner for testing.
Following the disappearance of Kyron Horman, Sauvie Island has been the subject of repeated searchers for the missing Skyline second grader with no results.
It is also the former home of a man considered to be Federal fugitive following a confrontation with a Lincoln City officer with nearly fatal results. Officer Steven Dodds was able to return to duty after extensive rehabilitation.
Durham was a Sauvie Island resident for over 6 years and a volunteer fire fighter until he was removed from duty 6 months prior to the shooting.
David Durham’s dog was recovered injured following what appeared to be an accident in the suspects vehicle and is being cared for by a friend of the family. Mr. Durham has not been seen since his vehicle was recovered in the bay town of Waldport, Oregon.
Please check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates to this breaking story.
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I know we’ve all discussed whether or not Kyron was ever enrolled at a preschool or after-school care facility. Six KinderCare facilities catering to school age/and or summer camps show up in a search within 15 miles of Skyline Elementary.
http://www.kindercare.com/our-centers/results/
what date was Terri served (& reply is due)…
Is it possible that Kristian Horman was SZ? or a friend of Kristian Horman was SZ?
Anyone know which Kindercare Center the banner came from?
http://www.kptv.com/story/14793668/possible-vandalism-found-at-kyron-wall-of-hope-8-04-2010?clienttype=printable
It appeared someone tried to rip down a handmade, laminated banner with the message “Helping Hands for Kyron.” The banner came from a Kindercare Center and was originally held up by 14 plastic binder ties.
@Blink – Desiree’s comment in an on camera interview about Kyron being seen outside near the truck and he “saw it all and was involved” has been discussed many, many times, along with Kaine’s immediate comment that it was something which hadn’t been verified by LE yet.
Do you know if the “by the truck” sighting was ever verified as “true”, or was marked off the list as an “absolute no”?
Given that your statement in answer to Rose says: May 15, 2011 at 8:54 am:
I have seen pictures, several, that have never been published from inside the school that day. I am seriously not kidding when I say that there are a few young boys that bear such a strong resemblance to Kyron that I nearly was like- well here he is at (X oclock) so he could not have gone missing until then.
B
I would have thought perhaps that the sighting was one of your “look alike’s”, except for the “saw it all and was involved”. If someone saw enough to report he was there AND involved, then they must have seen some behavior that inspired that description and it makes it a little harder to write it off as an error, although it’s possible.
Let’s assume for now it was true.
Because of the nature of this case and Desiree’s emotional description of the incident, I have always pictured the truck incident as something sinister like an argument Terri was having or maybe even a hug/kiss/flirt Kyron wasn’t supposed to see. However, what if it wasn’t sinister (at the time) and didn’t attract much of the witness’s attention? Maybe it was something “cool” that he was looking at. Maybe he was allowed to look at something outside or asked to help move or carry something on his way inside with Terri. Maybe that is how he first met the person who later called him by name.
Young kids can feel like they “know” people in 2 ways I can think of – lots of repeat associations, or one very recent meeting/conversation/common interest, especially with a parent along. The one recent meeting version doesn’t last long in most kids’ memories unless it is reinforced, but would certainly have worked in that short time, so that when the man called him, he didn’t hesitate to go and did not stop to ask why since he already knew something “friendly” about the man. This seems sinister to us and to Desiree because we know the ending, but would not have given a witness a second thought at the time, and may not have seemed all that important even after Kyron was missing.
If, on the other hand, the story is not true at all or it was another child that was seen outside, then that may free up a bit more of the timeline during which Kyron would have been at school.
I don’t know the information DY is referring to has been “verified” that it was Ky, or any other child. I can tell you that iirc, Desiree went on to say “Kaine’s truck” so she expressly implied that it was Ky, and it was outside of the truck TH was driving that day. So if that was her belief at the time, I can say that I am not aware that has ever been validated and I dare say that if it were, TH would have been arrested.
It does not jibe with what I know to be a verified timeline among multiple witnesses who saw Kyron exit the building with SZ. I wish DY had better advisors. I keep repeating myself.
B
Lynne Terry at The Oregonian reports: “Kaine Horman cares for his 3-1/2 year old daughter, Kiara, who goes to pre-school while he holds down an engineering job at Intel.”
I wonder where she goes to pre-school, maybe somewhere Kyron went at one time? Will she go to Skyline when she turns five?
Could DY and Kaine have made an agreement with the school district not to press charges? And if so, why? What would that conversation looked like? If DY had included the school in her suit, teachers, witnesses etc. might have been forced to testify. I would think DY could have learned a lot more about what happened that day by including them. I don’t understand her reasoning by not doing so, especially if what she is truly looking for is answers.
Does it bother anyone else that not a single reporter has asked that question?
Oye Vey.
B
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/06/does_kaine_horman_think_his_so.html
Rose says:
July 5, 2012 at 1:16 pm
what date was Terri served (& reply is due)…
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@Rose – for the RO or the Civil Case?
re the Civil Suit – filing was June 1, 2012 – we do not have the date Houze was served as far as I know, but it would have been immediately after the filing, I believe.
MockingbirdSings says:
June 17, 2012 at 11:47 pm
T.Ruth says -
“Terri Horman’s attorneys have 30 days to respond to this right?”
(snipped)
30 days from the time she is served. I’m sure that’s been done by now, probably within a day or 2 of filing.
Houze was served.
B
re the RO – I believe she may have 21 days to respond to the RO, but I’m not holding my breath for that to happen.
wpg says:
June 28, 2012 at 8:40 pm
“Kaine Horman’s restraining order against his wife is renewed for another year”
Published: Thursday, June 28, 2012, 5:05 PM
Updated: Thursday, June 28, 2012, 5:27 PM
(snipped)
“At Kaine Horman’s request, a Multnomah County judge this week renewed the restraining order that Kaine Horman obtained against his wife, Terri Lynn Moulton Horman, for another year, lasting through June 24, 2013.”
“Kaine Horman’s divorce attorney, Laura Rackner, submitted to the court the petition for renewal. She attached a two-paragraph statement that explains his reason for the restraining order, the same exhibit attached to his restraining order petition a year ago.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/06/kaine_hormans_restraining_orde.html#incart_river_default
Correct and confirmed. Was reviewed and signed June 24, 2012.
B
Hopefully they tested the sign for finger prints.. if someone tried to rip it down, maybe they left their identity behind?
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T. Ruth says:
July 5, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Anyone know which Kindercare Center the banner came from?
http://www.kptv.com/story/14793668/possible-vandalism-found-at-kyron-wall-of-hope-8-04-2010?clienttype=printable
It appeared someone tried to rip down a handmade, laminated banner with the message “Helping Hands for Kyron.” The banner came from a Kindercare Center and was originally held up by 14 plastic binder ties.
Currently posted on the “Bring Kyron Home” website:
8:45 a.m. – Kyron says goodbye to his step-mom in the hallway and goes toward his classroom. He is last seen near his classroom, near the south entrance to school.
9:00 a.m. – Investigators say this was the last time Kyron was reportedly seen but they do not identify who saw him last.
Posted from: “Bring Kyron Home” website: (http://www.bringkyronhome.org/)
Timeline: http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Timeline-Search-for-missing-Kyran-Horman-95787519.html
@MockingbirdSings
(snipped) “Let’s assume for now it was true.
Because of the nature of this case and Desiree’s emotional description of the incident, I have always pictured the truck incident as something sinister like an argument Terri was having or maybe even a hug/kiss/flirt Kyron wasn’t supposed to see. However, what if it wasn’t sinister (at the time) and didn’t attract much of the witness’s attention? Maybe it was something “cool” that he was looking at. Maybe he was allowed to look at something outside or asked to help move or carry something on his way inside with Terri. Maybe that is how he first met the person who later called him by name.”
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I’ve asked this question before, which I think is critical. Do we know what time the witness(s) saw Kyron by the truck? Was it when Terri, Kiara and Kyron arrived at the school at approximately 8 8:15am. Or was it after Terri walked out the school door at approximately 9:am? It all depends on what time the witness(s) put Ky out by the truck. And considering Blinks response I go with the witness(s) accounts at between 8-8:15am when all three arrived at the school.
“I wonder why Kaine wasn’t a participant in the civil suit.”
A lawsuit like Desiree’s will cost a lot of money to prosecute, with no guarantee of a good outcome. I guess he just didn’t want to get involved.
Kaine was not asked and typically this suit is taken on a contingency of recovery. As a point of clarification, it is litigated, not prosecuted, as this is a strictly civil matter.
You are correct, their is no guarantee of any kind.
B
Two trucks worth total of $90,000 stolen from Tualatin business
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Stolen-Tualatin-trucks/0B3ALltO5EO-ruHKR0jONA.cspx
(Had to look twice, not the same as Kaines truck)
@mbs. civil suit. i remember reading Houze was not served, Terri was, and I vaguely remember a week
or so later?
repeating a timeline published by a media source on BKH is fair play for Kaine. No reason to add more if it hurts the divorce case. As Blink says, media hasn’t asked questions. In fact, his first site iteration simply did MSM feeds, which
is sensible as either he or Desiree were generally the named & unnamed sources
ah I see Blink said Houze was served. Anyone know the date??
Anyone else see the resemblance between Adam Lee Brown and the Beaverton suspect?
http://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/OR19643/Adam-Lee-Brown.html
http://www.oregonlive.com/beaverton/index.ssf/2010/08/beaverton_police_release_sketch_of_suspect_in_sexual_assault_at_fanno_creek_park.html
Same age range, face shape, hair style?
“multiple witnesses” saw Ky leave with SZ? Multiple? I thought it was just one person who saw him leave. If this is the case, there must be a composite sketch of SZ. These “multiple people” certainly can put their heads together and come up with a description of SZ whom they all supposedly witnessed. This is crazy.
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Blink said:
It does not jibe with what I know to be a verified timeline among multiple witnesses who saw Kyron exit the building with SZ. I wish DY had better advisors. I keep repeating myself.
B
@beejay. You were committed to a suspect once removed from Rudy. Enlisted by Rudy. Still true?
Adam Brown is bold, bold enough for an el ed scoop. And like Kyron he favored bathrooms
apparently. But he is exceptionally disorganized. Was he medicated in 6/10? How did he slip
through MCSO Task Force’s SO interviews & scrutiny?
“I wonder why Kaine wasn’t a participant in the civil suit.”
A lawsuit like Desiree’s will cost a lot of money to prosecute, with no guarantee of a good outcome. I guess he just didn’t want to get involved.
“Kaine was not asked and typically this suit is taken on a contingency of recovery. As a point of clarification, it is litigated, not prosecuted, as this is a strictly civil matter.
You are correct, their is no guarantee of any kind.
B”
I have doubts this case was taken on a contingency basis, as Terri Horman has no assets to speak of. I suspect Desiree will have to pay Rosenthal’s fees. It may be a reduced fee, but a fee just the same.
Sure she does. She potentially has half of her and Kaine’s. I would agree with you that as her sister started a donation fund toward legal fees for the suit, it is likely, but it is unusual. I apologize I am overdue for my piece on this.
B
I’m curious about Kaine’s relationship with Bob Briede, and how long they’ve known each other.
I ask because it seems that Briede was being retaliated against.
Sorry if this was already covered, but
I noticed a lawsuit that Briede filed against 24 hour fitness.
“http://or.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.20101021_0000484.DOR.htm/qx”
Briede opened his new Gym shortly before Kyron went missing:
“http://www.stumptownblogger.com/2010/05/bob-briede-is-changing-the-fitness-businesswelcome-to-the-edge.html”
The Wall of Hope, sponsored at Briede’s place was damaged and weird notes being left there…do I have that correct?
When the Wall of Hope was at the Fire Department, was it the same FD where
David Durham worked?
The GPS was left near Bob Briede’s home.
Briede involved in wrongful termination lawsuit, and retalliation by a previous employer.
Briede vocal about Strip Club and it’s placement near his gym, as it applies to safety of children.
@Rose says:
July 5, 2012 at 1:16 pm
what date was Terri served (& reply is due)…
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Posted back a couple pages:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/06/kaine_hormans_restraining_orde.html#incart_river_default
Court records show that a copy of the civil lawsuit that Desiree Young, Kyron’s mother, filed June 1 against Terri Horman, was served on Terri Horman in Roseburg on June 12.
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So I assume she had 30 days to respond, which would be next Thursday right?
Blink, regarding SZ and a description. Is there anything other than a generic description? I’m referring to nationality, i.e. caucasian, hispanic, asian? Possible age? Thanks.
Utterly generic.
B
That conversation between a reporter and Kaine & Desiree about someone seeing Kyron outside by a truck was back in August 2010. In that conversation, Desiree corrects the reporter when the reporter uses the term Terri’s truck and Desiree insists it’s “Kaine’s truck”.
However, as the conversation goes on Deisree says “a truck”. Not “the truck” or “Kaine’s truck”. Kaine says at the time, that this information has not yet been verified by LE and they are still looking at it. I’m with Blink, I think had it been verified and further verified to be “Kaine’s truck”, Terri would most likely be in jail. (Depending upon the time of the alleged sighting.)
What I don’t get, just like no composite sketch of SZ….if there was a sighting and it could not be confirmed to be the Horman’s truck, then whose truck was it? LE says they know every vehicle that was there that day. Soooooo, does SZ just happen to drive a vehicle just like or quite similar to the Horman’s truck? Doesn’t it seem strange, that if LE knows there’s an identified white pick up that may be involved in Kyron’s disappearance that they haven’t put that information out? Just like no sketch, it’s weird as heck to me. The only thing I can think of, is they know who SZ is, they just can’t prove it and are waiting for a mistake to be made. Sometimes I wonder if that’s why they have not come forward and made any kind of statement (other than the casual mention of 60 other POI’s) about Terri not being a focus. Would appearing to take the focus off of Terri cause SZ to panic and harm someone else, or maybe even harm a live Kyron?
IDK, this case is so freakin’ strange. I hope the civil suit answers some questions as opposed to Mr. Horman’s suggestion that it will raise some. However, I would not be at all surprised if Rosenthal’s civil suit is thrown out by a judge, because that would make this case even more weird. LOL
But did everyone catch this part?:
Law enforcement sources told KATU that members of the Kyron Horman task force met once again on Thursday morning to discuss the latest developments in the case.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Kyron-Horman-Desiree-Young-Kain-Horman-Terri-Horman-civil-lawsuit-156159635.html
So May 31, the day before Desiree/Rosenthals presser, the Task Force is called back together. Hmmmmm, sounds to me like LE is totally behind this civil suit. Remember, when the task force was disbanded, they would only be brought back together when something significant was going on. Well, there ya go.
Honestly, I do not trust the wording of anything not citing a quoted source in this coverage right now. If you cannot ask a direct question which is patently obvious- am I supposed to believe your credibility?
The Murder Business by Mark Fuhrman. Read it, he is right.
B
just read back & saw Blink ruled Adam out. Sorry for my sloppiness. Too hot.
TY for Terri reply date T Ruth.
@fjzo5 says:
July 6, 2012 at 11:56 am
I can answer a couple of questions. The Wall of Hope wasn’t vandalized at it’s present location, the gym, that I know of anyway.
The wall was moved from the school to he Skyline FD, which is part of the Tualatin Fire District. DAD was a volunteer at the Sauvie Island Fire Department, which I believe is it’s own district. Doesn’t mean they don’t do trainings together, I would imagine they might.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/07/accused_wendys_attacker_adam_l.html
“By April 2010, he moved to a temporary shelter in Multnomah County after he complained he had no housing resources in Douglas County. His Roseburg psychiatrist recommended Brown be transferred to Multnomah County supervision, citing harassment and “many roadblocks” Brown faced trying to integrate into Douglas County.
The psychiatrist wrote to the state that Brown deserved an “environment in which he can have a chance to fully rehabilitate and live without fear … where there are more resources for him.” ”
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What the hell were these people thinking? Who was his shrink?
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@mas, yes he does kinda match the description of the Beaverton attacker. JMO, and I know AIDS can take it’s toll on the body of course, but this guys appearance portrays a typical meth-head! Wonder how his teeth are?
Brown had conveniently just moved into town, before Kyron went missing. I am still angry at Staton for his lame answer to the question the reporter asked about whether or not all the RSO’s had been questioned and looked into. He refused to answer……saying something like “what do you think?”. That just pizzed me off then and it still does now and if I were that reporter, I would have said, “Well, I don’t know what to think, that’s exactly why I asked you the question.” Uggggh!
Is their anyone local that can research the psychiatrist who supervised this freaks treck through two counties?
This will absolutely result in litigation, and to be honest, I am about sick of the passing of the buck again and again. This sick effer left a trail of breadcrumbs and a roadmap of episodic behavior screaming.. Here I go, on my way to my real need I am going to do X, Y, and Z until I get to the bottom.
I really want to know who the hell thought this guy was rehabilitatible. Then I want to look at his/her other cases to conclude where the next risk lies and show up with my cameras in the office.
Enough. Jett Duncan Jr in training should have been on a tether while he was violating every condition of his parole. Did it dawn on any of you assclowns with pocket protectors he was violating parole because he was trying to stop his own spiral? Look it up in your DSM’s or whatever.
I apologize to any mental health professionals if my post offends you. It is by design to any of you that believe a serial criminal adult pedophile can be rehabbed. Look it up, it would be the first one in history.
Really- someone with an MD is surprised this happened because of a lack of housing? WTF?
I guess for my next trick I will lobby for all shrinks with specificity in treating pedos will be required to take the advanced course in understanding that behavior through the lens of a crime scene involving same. Something about semen, blood, and childs undergear with fingernail marks in a blood trail trying to get away changes your outlook.
Yes, preventable makes me near rabid.
B
RE: Adam Brown, I’m confused. The article says he moved to Multnomah County in April 2010, but he was still under the parole supervision of Douglas County? It says his parole supervision wasn’t “formally transferred” to Multnomah until January 2011. Uh, who was watching this guy? I seriously doubt his parole officer from DC went up to MC to check on him. Was there some sort of informal agreement between the agencies? Man oh man, this sounds like shades of what Phillip Garrido was getting away with. The right hand thought the left was looking out for him. What was Adam Brown doing all those months in between? One scary guy.
Hypothetical –
What if witnesses saw Kyron leave with who they thought was his Dad. KH is utterly generic. I remember Neighbor saying KH was at school the day before, but he was there infrequently, so most people would not recognize him.
erose, not sure what you mean-
B
Kim from PA says:
July 6, 2012 at 8:18 am
“multiple witnesses” saw Ky leave with SZ? Multiple? I thought it was just one person who saw him leave. If this is the case, there must be a composite sketch of SZ. These “multiple people” certainly can put their heads together and come up with a description of SZ whom they all supposedly witnessed. This is crazy.
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Blink said:
It does not jibe with what I know to be a verified timeline among multiple witnesses who saw Kyron exit the building with SZ. I wish DY had better advisors. I keep repeating myself.
B
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I think there is a cover-up of some sort with this case.
-Not pinning the school down for their duty to know where a student is at all times
-Getting an RO (initially) based on an accusation, with no sign of any concrete evidence that a MFH was a sure thing, and no evidence at that time that TH “took” Kyron or arranged for him to be abducted
-the silence of the parents initially in the first week of the case, then the oddity of the first 4-parent presser, then the accusations that TH was refusing to speak or cooperate, BUT, nothing said about KH also not speaking at times (such as when he and TH were leaving the gym)
-the decision by LE to not discuss SZ
-no mention of SZ by parents if they know that SZ exists
-the oddity of the Foundation and wth is being done, really, with all that money as far as “the search for Kyron” is concerned
-DY and KH’s very public break as a united front in late 2010
etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.,….
All piled on top of each other, the above mysteries make absolutely no sense, give me the willies, and there ya go.
January says:
July 5, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Hopefully they tested the sign for finger prints.. if someone tried to rip it down, maybe they left their identity behind?
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T. Ruth says:
July 5, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Anyone know which Kindercare Center the banner came from?
http://www.kptv.com/story/14793668/possible-vandalism-found-at-kyron-wall-of-hope-8-04-2010?clienttype=printable
It appeared someone tried to rip down a handmade, laminated banner with the message “Helping Hands for Kyron.” The banner came from a Kindercare Center and was originally held up by 14 plastic binder ties.
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Since that vandalism occurred back in 2010 when the wall was still at the school, and was also reported around the same time as that whacky note that was left on the wall, I suspect those two events as separate people’s actions. The note had been some oddball’s idea of being “helpful” (or psychic), and that person, I feel, would not also be someone who would destroy another wall display. I’ll assume that back then fingerprints were definitely secured if that was possible, or else LE was REALLY goofing up.
Have Kaine’s whereabouts – or a timeline for Kaine – on that Friday ever been established?
fjzo5: The GPS was left near Bob Briede’s home – I thought the GPS was STOLEN not “left”???
Utterly generic is still a description. To me that most likely means SZ is:
Male
Caucasian
5’10ish
Light Brown hair- probably short, but not buzzed
Average build
30ish in age
Probably was wearing khaki’s or jeans and a basic white golf shirt
No facial hair
No visible piercings or tatoo’s
Sounds like he’s a “clean cut” looking man who looks as if he can be any elementary school pupil’s father.
He doesn’t appear to be a threat.
He doesn’t raise eyebrows or get a second concerned glance from parents or teachers.
He may wear a wedding ring
He drives a basic vehicle like a white Ford truck
He is very intelligent
Who is he? Someone out there knows……a family member’s radar may be up about this guy. They probably know he wasn’t at work on June 4th 2010. If police released even a generic description it may be enough for someone to call in a tip.
Kim- this is all your opinion with no basis in fact, respectfully speaking, LE is apparently not even willing to admit their is a SZ publicly.
B
I’m with you NelMel.
Yes. My above post was strictly my opinion only. Sorry I didn’t make that clear.
I’m just so frustrated that a little boy can disappear from his elementary school and 2 years later there are absolutely no concrete leads, one parent who believes he is alive, one parent who believes he is no longer with us, a stepmother who hasn’t talked in 2 years, and no details from LE.
Crazy.
I just got carried away typing out my own opinion of what “utterly generic” may look like.
It’s the best I can do from the other side of the country.
I know. I know the feeling well of something is better than nothing.
This is a real man with a real attachment to this crime, and somebody better step up to that plate before he harms another.
B
I pray the will be justice for Kyron.
@NelMel. As a corporate institution, Intel is also a major political and social Portland institution as well as the largest economic engine for the Portland economy, if not Oregon. It is realistic to compare its institutional self- interests and self-protection, and that of its employee administrators, and its communities leaders’ self interests, to those of Penn State and the Bellefonte area leaders. Would there be a coverup in the community if any Intel employee was implicated? (not suggesting Kaine; there are thousands of candidates, even overseas employees visiting Hillsboro campus for any purpose). Only some handful of community leaders and local press may know if a cover up is likely.
At the time in 2010, the no. 2 man of worldwide Intel did not move to CA but commuted, due to his family. Now he’s the head of worldwide Intel. He brought new bldg, investment, & jobs to Hillsboro. Would he have stayed put and invested in Intel’s growth in Portland in a major way in 2010 if local El Eds were unsafe? If an employee had a history known to his HR, like Sandusky was known to PS, but the Co. did not report him & tried to cure with counseling? Again, not suggesting Kaine per se.
Hypothetical only: a leader of Intel Israel (a huge Intel investment) was known to be kinky and acted out when traveling — but the Co. kept him on due to his value to the Co.
Think the kinky IMF head with the alleged NY rape. He’d long done similar rapes in France & elsewhere & was covered up, reportedly.
Brainstorming conclusion only, NelMel:
Intel is the only big enough elephant in Portland to warrant a coverup.
Rudy and his social circle aren’t.
Or, a scion of a leading Portland family.
http://www.oregonbusiness.com/articles/62-july-2009/1908-oregons-top-private-150-companies
For those interested above link has list of many of the multi million/billon dollar businesses located in Oregon. Intel is just one of many HUGE businesses in Oregon. Intel is small potato’s to many on this list.
I mean does SZ look enough like KH that the witnesses may have thought Kyron was with his father?
erose says:
July 6, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Hypothetical –
What if witnesses saw Kyron leave with who they thought was his Dad. KH is utterly generic. I remember Neighbor saying KH was at school the day before, but he was there infrequently, so most people would not recognize him.
erose, not sure what you mean-
Entirely subjective and not what I would call a lead, but I would say no.
B
B
Blink,
Just finished watching Jane Valez Mitchell, sorry, can’t hyperlink the transcripts because they haven’t posted the transcripts from tonight just yet. Adam Lee Brown was one of the stories and Kyrons story was combined during this topic. Bruce McCain explained that until we know Adam Lee Browns whereabouts on June 4th,2010 – he could be a potential suspect. McCain also said Adam Brown was said to recently hang out around schools. McCain also said he had the MO.
What is the difference between Adam Browns mo from SZ’s mo? He had the balls (which need to be cut off by the way) to wait outside a public restroom, who’s to say he wasn’t capable of waiting outside of Skyline Elementary?
Because the offender did not wait outside.
This offender is not waiting. He is taking.
B
Another concern….why does the public have to log on to a website to find sex offenders that are absconded? Why isn’t there a Public Ped Alert televised with pictures of these sickos? Or wanted posters all over town? Very sad.
Yep. Exactly.
B
Blink, is this more or less how the timeline works out according to the timeline per multiple witnesses of SZ and Kyron?:
* SZ is talking with Kyron inside the school at approximately the time TH arrives at FredM#2 and perhaps when TH spots and approaches AndreaL at FredM#2
* SZ is exiting the school with Kyron at approximately the time TH is having her conversation with AndreaL, and just before she heads off on her 90-minute drive
Blink, is this more or less how the timeline works out according to the timeline per multiple witnesses of SZ and Kyron (and the account of Grand Jury witness AndreaL)?:
* SZ is talking with Kyron inside the school at approximately the time TH arrives at FredM#2 and perhaps when TH spots and approaches AndreaL at FredM#2
* SZ is exiting the school with Kyron at approximately the time TH is having her conversation with AndreaL, and just before she heads off on her 90-minute drive
* SZ is in transit with Kyron at the time TH is on her 90 minute drive
Thank you, Blink.
No.
WPG, very short leash here. In fact, I have already reached it. I so respect you and the other uber critical thinkers here. If I could shine a light my good friend, you know I would.
Neon, in fact.
B
Blink, (according to witness accounts) or your sources, are you aware of the approximate time Kyron left the school?
Shot down again and in the dark. How I wish Blink could shine that neon light. I thought if SZ fit KH’s generic description he might have understood how the school could have not acted on Kyron’s behalf. I thought if the description generically fit KH’s description that it might not be released as the public might assume Kyron was taken by his father. I think I had an epiphany awhile back that the description is not being released because to do so would acknowledge the existence of a SZ, which to date, no one has.
Dear Beacon of Light for so many,
Understand, Blink, thank you.
A few minutes after posting the timeline question, I remembered about Albertsons and where I had placed it long ago in one timeline option.
Your answer, if my timeline points included Albertsons before FredM#2, understandably, would have been the same.
xoxo’s
ps
Words can’t express:
“Where the Boogie Man lived: Tracing Adam Brown back to a quiet street in Roseburg”
Published: Friday, July 06, 2012, 8:00 PM
Updated: Friday, July 06, 2012, 10:06 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2012/07/where_the_boogie_man_lived_tra.html#incart_river_default
Whoever put you on the very short leash must share your frustration that SZ’ existsnce and generic description has not been publically released, as well as with the conduct of the investigation.
Very.
B
Shelly says:
July 6, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Blink,
Just finished watching Jane Valez Mitchell, sorry, can’t hyperlink the transcripts because they haven’t posted the transcripts from tonight just yet. Adam Lee Brown was one of the stories and Kyrons story was combined during this topic. Bruce McCain explained that until we know Adam Lee Browns whereabouts on June 4th,2010 – he could be a potential suspect. McCain also said Adam Brown was said to recently hang out around schools. McCain also said he had the MO.
What is the difference between Adam Browns mo from SZ’s mo? He had the balls (which need to be cut off by the way) to wait outside a public restroom, who’s to say he wasn’t capable of waiting outside of Skyline Elementary?
Because the offender did not wait outside.
This offender is not waiting. He is taking.
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I had not placed to much thought any connection with Brown and Kyron until last night (missed Mitchell’s story).
But with his pattern and being seen near other school’s really makes me think his whereabouts on June 4, 2010 need to be investigated.
With the sign advertising the science fair with the times was pretty much an open invitation to anyone that had been surfing schools for victims.
Brown has a long history that varies on how he accesses his victims so I feel it would warrant an investigation by the task force to look at Brown in Kyron’s case.
T. Ruth says:
July 6, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Blink says:
Honestly, I do not trust the wording of anything not citing a quoted source in this coverage right now. If you cannot ask a direct question which is patently obvious- am I supposed to believe your credibility?
The Murder Business by Mark Fuhrman. Read it, he is right.
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Sorry, if it sounded like I was asking a question, I was just wondering out loud about the white truck. I did not link the quotes, because they’ve been posted here so many times, however, here they are, if anyone missed them. Thanks for the book recommendation. Just finished the Gift of Fear, will pick that one up next.
I hope it’s okay to link this from WS:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-114402.html
BeanE
09-15-2010, 09:24 AM
August 27
White truck outside school
Kaine Horman & Desiree Young 8/27 pt.2
Video: http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Kaine-Horman–Desiree-Young-827-pt-2-kyron-horman-missing-portland-101688128.html
-2:50
Chit chat from reporter in the beginning not included. Only what’s needed from her for context.
Reporter: Potentially one person in the truck… three people… the white truck, Terri’s truck… can you talk…
Desiree: (interrupts) Kaine’s truck (laughs)
Reporter: a little bit about that…
Reporter: Kaine’s truck. I’m sorry… What are your thoughts on that new information? Do you feel as though Dede was in that truck?
Desiree: (interrupts) It just makes me feel stronger that, that there were people helping her… that Kyron saw it all and was involved and that there were other people helping her… which is what we suspected.
Reporter: So because… but do you believe that a man was spotted? I mean again, these are witness accounts, and I don’t know how much information that you’ve been privy to about what the, what is the likeliest scenario?
Desiree: Well first of all, why would Kyron even be outside the school? Why would he even be near a truck with somebody else in it?
You know. I mean it’s significant in a huge way to the case. If the timeline played out the way that it supposedly did? That contradicts that completely.
So I mean, other than that (shrugs), that’s how significant it was to me.
Reporter: How authentic do you think that witness is? I mean how…
Desiree: (interrupts, shifts eyes to side) Very authentic.
Reporter: So it’s a credible…
Desiree: (interrupts, shifts eyes to side and down) Yep.
Reporter: …witness.
Reporter: And what exactly are they claiming that they saw?
Kaine: (audibly sighs/intakes breath, clears throat)
Kaine: Well I think, Sarah, I think to be more direct about it… I think that law enforcement needs to determine that still.
Desiree: Yeah, that part.
Kaine: We’ve been briefed on a lot of the information and the tips and the things that they’re looking into, and that was part of that bucket of tips that they’re…
Desiree: (interrupts) Yeah.
Kaine: …that they’re working their way through. Until they confirm and until they bring some of that information forward to the greater public, they’re still looking into it, so I think us commenting on that is a little bit premature.
There’s how we feel about it…
Desiree: (interrupts) Yeah.
Kaine: …and then there are the facts. And the facts…
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linked this one the other day, will link again though:
Reporter: (interrupts) How do you feel about it?
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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/02/fbi_will_dedicate_up_to_six_ag.html
Investigators have identified more than 490 people who were at the school June 4, as well as the 54 vehicles parked on the campus that day, Staton said. To do that, they had to examine photographs taken at the school during the science fair, sometimes checking the license plates of cars appearing in the background.
***”The actual account of everyone and everything that was on that campus that day, we now know,” he said.***
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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_investigation_tra.html
Jung: “Has there been an effort to look at sexual predators in the area or have you called that off?”
Staton: “Helen, that’s kind of a ridiculous question.”
Jung: “Why is that a ridiculous question?
Staton: “I think you kind of have an answer to that already in your own mind.”
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(linked here the other day, but here it is again:)
http://www.examiner.com/article/kyron-horman-age-progression-photo-released-2-years-after-disappearance
Kaine Horman, Kyron’s father, told KGW he believes the lawsuit is a “great development… It’s another avenue that applies pressure… that can contribute to the questions.”
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I think that’s all quotes I referred to in my earlier post. I do have a direct question though, I asked it on the 3rd:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/06/11/kyron-horman-missing-case-breaking-news-remains-believed-to-be-human-located-off-sauvie-island/comment-page-15/#comments
T. Ruth says:
July 3, 2012 at 11:04 am
Ode says:
July 2, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Blink says:
He is not of the capacity to perpetrate an abduction for sexually motivated purposes. I know that it seems odd and that all Pedos feel like they are potential suspects, but this offender profile is rare, and in no way is he waiting for any victim to come to him, or skulking in some dark entryway.
B
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@Blink
In the first sentence I take it you are referring to Adam Brown? But can you clear this up for me:
In the second sentence “but this offender profile is rare and in no way is he waiting for any victim to come to him, or skulking in some dark entryway.”
Are you referring to SZ in that sentence? Thanks.
I asked Blink on
June 13, 2012 at 10:54 pm:
“Does/did D.A.D. match the description of the person (aka SZ) allegedly seen with Kyron?”
Blink replied:
“As pictured, no. But I have seen pics of him and I would mistake him for TH in a hot minute.”
B
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What I’m taking away from Blink’s reply, IMO, JMO, MY IMPRESSION ONLY . . . is SZ was/is fairly tall. Hair style/color can change, body shape/weight also, but height for a male (as opposed to a female and higher range of footwear heel heights is some circumstances) would stay within a smaller give or take range.
So I’m thinking somewhere around 6′ tall:
* D.A.D. is reportedly 6″3″
* Blink had said somewhere in the previous thread of over 16,000 posts and I’m paraphrasing here, that the description of SZ does not match A.S-S. in any way (strongly recall the words “in any way”).
A.S-S. is reportedly 5’4″
Little Kyron’s height of 3’8″, plus his height in his Skechers would have been known to investigators . . . so I can sort of envision witnesses being asked questions along the line of “where about on this male did the top of Kyron’s head come to?” or “where did a certain part of SZ’s body fall in relation to a particular object – - table, board display, exit door, exit door handle, etc., in reaching a fairly accurate height range for SZ.
again, all IMO, JMO
Allen Brown is so horrible I hope Kyron never ever
Saw him
As for Kaine what motive would he have?
unless he didn’t want Kyron going fishing with Tony
Young and that is pretty far out