Kyron Horman Missing Case Breaking News: Remains Believed To Be Human Located Off Sauvie Island
Sauvie Island, Oregon-There are unconfirmed reports that a teenage boy fishing off of Sauvie Island located a human skull, and potentially other human body parts.
Update 1: As referenced on KOIN, a teenage fisherman believes he snagged a scalp with human hair attached, which he originally thought was horse hair. Columbia County detectives cordoned off the scene last evening and MCSO dive teams entered the water but found nothing. The possible “hair” was sent for testing.
Multnomah County Sheriff Office will not comment on the find, or confirm whether their office has facilitated the removal of same, or forwarded any items to the medical examiner for testing.
Following the disappearance of Kyron Horman, Sauvie Island has been the subject of repeated searchers for the missing Skyline second grader with no results.
It is also the former home of a man considered to be Federal fugitive following a confrontation with a Lincoln City officer with nearly fatal results. Officer Steven Dodds was able to return to duty after extensive rehabilitation.
Durham was a Sauvie Island resident for over 6 years and a volunteer fire fighter until he was removed from duty 6 months prior to the shooting.
David Durham’s dog was recovered injured following what appeared to be an accident in the suspects vehicle and is being cared for by a friend of the family. Mr. Durham has not been seen since his vehicle was recovered in the bay town of Waldport, Oregon.
Please check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates to this breaking story.
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RE: Brown’s records:
Multnomah County Probation, Parole and Post-Prison Supervision spokesman Henry Stern said the county’s records on Brown are part of an investigation and not public record.
(more @ link)
http://www.registerguard.com/web/newslocalnews/28336647-41/brown-prison-jail-supervision-county.html.csp
My ass. Internal investigations do not count. This is utterly outrageous. Who do these people think they are? Centre County, PA?
B
So back to Allen Brown
If he looks like his mug shot I don’t see how anyone could not forget his face
@erose says:
July 7, 2012 at 12:39 am
You are not alone. I was wondering the same thing. Just trying to come up with ANY reason LE would not release a description of SZ. Or that SZ might resemble one or more of the teachers. Well, back to the drawing board.
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@NelMel, Rose & Falstaff
Just brainstorming with you, but which company in Portland would have a reason to have any employees at the science fair?
Are there other companies besides Intel who might have been represented at Skyline on June 4, 2010? OTOH, Blink has told us that SZ is not on the Task Force issued list, one would think that a legitimate company who sent an employee to the science fair, would have record of said employee being there and that the school would also be privy to his/her presence.
Example of Intel’s school participation:
http://www.oregonlive.com/hillsboro/index.ssf/2012/02/intel_visitors_engineer_some_f.html
What do you make of this headline? If on June 11 2010 LE states he wasn’t abducted wth do they think happened to him? This must be before they declared it a criminal investigation. Still doesn’t make sense to me.
Police: No indication Oregon boy’s disappearance is abduction
By Gabriel Falcon, CNN
June 11, 2010 5:24 p.m. EDT
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/11/oregon.missing.boy/index.html?section=cnn_latest
Can someone please put me out of my misery? I haven’t read about the Kyron Horman case in so long and I can’t remember who SZ is and his relation to TH. What is SZ’s name please? I’m trying to catch up, but see no mention of his actual name and relation to TH. Is he the gardener? TY
I know this was already mentioned earlier (sorry, can’t remember who posted it) but I watched JVM last night as well and Bruce McCain was on saying he believed Adam Lee Brown did fit the MO. I really don’t put much stock in what McCain says because of his history with MCSO but after reading so much on Brown’s history and the fact that we really don’t know if MCSO (or anyone in Oregon LE for that matter?) really knew where he was on June 4, 2010, I can totally see how this guy might be a definite fit for SZ in some ways based on what Blink has given us. This specifically gave me chills when I was reading through …
(snipped)
“Brown’s wife at the time told the AP in 1993 that her husband contracted HIV in Southern California while he was stationed there with the U.S. Marines. A lay preacher at Fair Oaks Community Church, Brown served nine years in the Marines as a computer technician before his discharge in the early 1990s.
“God was always in the picture,” said Nancy Brown said about her husband’s religious upbringing. “But he thought Satan would deliver the boys.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57465598-504083/adam-lee-brown-hiv-positive-sex-offender-assaulted-boy-10-at-wendys-bathroom-portland-police-say/
In the article above, it says he has military training and knows computers. He also has red hair and had allegedly been in the Portland area just a month or so before Ky’s disappearance and was known to hang around schools in Roseburg.
(snipped)
“But in September 2005, authorities discovered he had approached two young girls near Rose Elementary School. One of them, a 9-year-old, told a sheriff’s detective that Brown came up to her as she and a friend walked home from school. She remembered what he said: “You’re pretty.” Better still, she recognized him from a newspaper article her father cut out and posted on the fridge at home. Both ran. After that, Brown got a 75-day jail sanction.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2012/07/where_the_boogie_man_lived_tra.html
The Roseburg connection is very interesting to me too. So many connections to this guy it seems. He is very creepy though and his past criminal history reads like a novel.
(snipped)
“Since his release from prison in 2004 as a predatory sex offender, his behavior has been marked by repeated crimes: methamphetamine possession, burglary, use of pornography, identity theft and furnishing alcohol to minors, as well as multiple “severe psychiatric episodes” that landed him in the emergency room at the Portland VA Medical Center.
In December, a social worker from the hospital’s mental health unit recommended Brown be placed in a residential treatment program because he wasn’t taking his psychiatric medication, failed to comply with outpatient treatment and was in really “bad shape,” state records show.
He has been sent to jail seven times for violating the conditions of his post-prison supervision. Most recently, a warrant was issued for his arrest June 14 after he failed to report to his Multnomah County parole officer on June 6 and couldn’t be found at Portland’s downtown Henry Building, where he was supposed to be living, according to state records.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/07/accused_wendys_attacker_adam_l.html
Why wasn’t this guy still behind bars and how could so many “professionals” who were supposed be keeping close tabs on him mess up at the same time and not know where he was????
This has intrigued me enough that I’m committing myself to spending some time on this guy. None of the articles I have googled or read thru so far however have mentioned the Roseburg psychiatrists name nor would I imagine they would. But Blink is right … we need to figure out how to find out who this guy (or woman?) was and maybe go from there. Rehabilitatable …. SERIOUSLY?????
@rose: Rose says:
July 6, 2012 at 8:27 am
@beejay. You were committed to a suspect once removed from Rudy. Enlisted by Rudy. Still true?
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Yes’m. Once or more removed. My little duck feet are paddling madly below the surface.
Is it certain Kyron was even at the school on June 4 2010? I looked at the list of attendees and his name was NOT on it. It is getting scarce to find the list on the internet that is accurate.
Blink, has it been verified Kyron was at the school at all on June 4? Neighbor stated KH was at the school on June 3rd. I’m assuming TH was there and Kyron was there as was Kiara on June 3 setting up the project. I’m now wondering if Kyron left his coat and backpack at the school on June 3rd. Kaine has never talked about being at the school on June 3 also. Neighbor is the one who said he was there. Somethings are not seeming quite right to me regarding June 3 and June 4th
Ky was at the school June 4th
B
kindercare is a chain that takes care of infants doesn’t it?
Perhaps it’s where he began. He was in infant day care.
The link and Blink’s response regarding AS-S and SZ’s description:
beejay says:
August 29, 2011 at 4:29 am
“Blink: a long time ago you told us that the guy who took Ky could not have been AS-S.
But, why not?”
“Does not match the description in any way.”
B
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-206/#comments
Blink: My understanding is that the psychiatrist was not the person who determined whether or not Brown would be incarcerated, or under supervision. He was simply the one who wrote up a document that, probably, was much sought by local probation or social service or mental health or community members. It used to be called “Greyhound Therapy.”
Usually it is a collaborative effort amongst organizations, seeking a respite for everybody in the identified patient/parolee’s locale.
Here’s a link for you, but I think it’s been popularized now, too. I was around the practice as far back as the early 1970s. And, seriously, it is enraging, but the doc will have support from other professionals who know Mr. Brown.
http://books.google.com/books?id=I49JVS89PDAC&pg=PA20&lpg=PA20&dq=greyhound+bus+ticket+out+of+the+catchment+area&source=bl&ots=Z1SeZ8Ioj4&sig=sMH9M0SndRCVzmccALwJdm6V0O4&hl=en#v=onepage&q=greyhound bus ticket out of the catchment area&f=false
I found one, a popularized version:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=greyhound bus&page=5
“multiple witnesses” saw Ky leave, and if not for Blink’s very short leash, she would shine a neon-light on what she knows. IMO, I think maybe LE might know who SZ is.. AND that Terri knows they know, which might explain why she is staying quiet, even at the expense of not being able to see her daughter. The Green River killer was under police surveillance for years. What blows me away is how not one of the multiple witnesses has leaked the information. Thinking that each one of them probably told one person, who told one person, etc. Eventually you would think that someone in that chain would want their 15 minutes….
IMO….One additional thought to my comment above. The fact that multiple witnesses saw Kyron leave with SZ, leaves me even more confused as to why Desiree didn’t include the school in her lawsuit. One of two things could be discovered. 1)If the school believes that SZ is someone Terri knnows, then they know Terri is culpable. They would most likely call the multiple witnesses to the stand. 2) If the multiple witnesses are called to the stand by Houze, and a preponderancy of evidence shows that SZ was unknown then the school might be culpable… at any rate, info would come out. It almost seems like Desiree and Kaine are protecting the school.. maybe more is known then we think.. (most likely, IMO)
Why would a description be released for someone LE won’t acknowledge?
If Kyron went willingly with someone, that is not an abduction.
Why does the law not address when someone is persuaded to go for nefarious purposes, it is still an abduction. I suspect people that know are afraid to talk, except among themselves. MOO.
Yes, I have it, ok to post.
B
Could their “investigation” have anything to do with Kyron?
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T. Ruth says:
July 7, 2012 at 12:21 pm
RE: Brown’s records:
Multnomah County Probation, Parole and Post-Prison Supervision spokesman Henry Stern said the county’s records on Brown are part of an investigation and not public record.
(more @ link)
http://www.registerguard.com/web/newslocalnews/28336647-41/brown-prison-jail-supervision-county.html.csp
My ass. Internal investigations do not count. This is utterly outrageous. Who do these people think they are? Centre County, PA?
B
Sorry for the multiple posts.. I guess I’m obsessing on Blink and Kyron today. Got to get in the shower and leave soon
so hopefully I’ll switch gears and stop thinking about little Ky and whoever is responsible!!!
One last quandary… Has everyone surmised that the unconfirmed reports of “human remains” found in Sauvie Island turned out to be just hair, and that it probably isn’t relative to Kyron? I’m not sure whether I should keep this piece of information in the back of my mind, or dismiss it..
Thoughts?
http://www.kgw.com/news/WA-teen-admits-preying-on-children-at-his-mothers-day-care-161671815.html
Here’s a guy we will definitely hear about again – may as well start keeping track of him now. My question: Why can’t his mother be charged with something as well? What she didn’t do is criminal, IMO.
She has already moved her day care from Idaho to Washington – she may be moving to “a city near you” next.
I am tired of reading that some agency or worker failed to do this or that – it should be written that the agency or worker failed a child by doing or not doing this or that. I’m a great believer in the power of language and that we often use language to minimize something that we ought to be dealing with.
AND – I understand the concept of plea bargaining, but it’s not working in some cases. Maybe the lower level charges need to have stronger consequences?
@Rose says:
July 7, 2012 at 3:25 pm
kindercare is a chain that takes care of infants doesn’t it?
Perhaps it’s where he began. He was in infant day care.
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Exactly what I was getting at the other day. Which Kindercare did Kyron attend and when? Kaine says he still carries his Kindercare card.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/06/11/kyron-horman-missing-case-breaking-news-remains-believed-to-be-human-located-off-sauvie-island/comment-page-15/#comments
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/06/11/kyron-horman-missing-case-breaking-news-remains-believed-to-be-human-located-off-sauvie-island/comment-page-16/#comments
I was hoping someone would know which Kindercare made the banner, thinking perhaps that would be the one Kyron had been enrolled in.
@mas. if we keep returning to the suspect profile, which I buy, on reflection Brown doesn’t fit because he has been mostly disorganized throughout adulthood and certainly wrt his criminal activity. For example he chose to molest in a business with cameras and at a site with no egress (internal bldg bathroom).
in contrast, think of SZ’s cunning. No Walmarts, Freddies, malls, MacD’s, or other sites with cameras for him. No parks where a childless man might be noticed. He chose the one efficient location
with no cameras where he utterly blended with numerous other men of his demographics, presumed relative and belonging in place. Belonging equals quintessential disguise. Not to mention parking at the exit door! I bet much of his high came from his cunning planning efficiency and the very act of taking. This is not a garden variety pedophile or murderer. High IQ imo. Exceptionally organized imo.
Remember the profile. perhaps dated someone in area. Computer expert. Can go to ground. imo works at home or telecommutes in computer programming/engineering industry. Perhaps travels in job and was in Portland as a routine traveler to hdqtrs or sister site. Do not rule out Intel employees; they’re the cream, aren’t they?
@TRuth. imo a SZ as cunning as ours would not demean himself to be on any list. How mundane…
And Blink once said SZ is not on List. But possible demonstrators were the Foundation project liaison, a solar and/or wind turbine contractor. There was one attendee on the list who regularly did science demos, can’t remember who. i put the url here what feels like eons ago.
beejay,
You have an approximate height for your suspect?
Thanks in advance.
@TRuth. Staton’s response to reporter Helen is not only below professional, it is dodgy. For his fondness kn citing pages or binders & nos. of tips, if a master of his Dept & this case (and otherwise he shouldn’t hold a press conf), he should have said “Out of x SOs in an x mile radius, we have interviewed and validated the whereabouts of x and expect to finish the rest by x date.”
As far as Desiree and the professionally pitiful reporter’s convo, all I want to know is whether Blink’s source has indicated the SZ who escorted him out may have had a truck accomplice. I see SZ as acting alone. Wouldn’t want to be distracted from the high imo.
does “neon” have a meta meaning?
related to a business or something?
imo neon wouldn’t increase illumination.
Spotlight would.
Neon would make the answer interesting.
It would say come dine here.
i googled “neon” (pathetic, I know). there’s a video game.
a movie http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0098869/plotsummary
I guess it mainly means the light’s gas, altho mostly associated
with signage: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neon_lighting#section_4
Here energy restored this am finally; but a/c is dead after 20 good years. Love those gases.
@justice23 says:
July 7, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Since he was taking regular psychiatric medication(s), I assume he most likely saw a psychiatrist at the Roseburg VA Hospital or one of the 3 VA medical clinics.
http://www.roseburg.va.gov/about/
Blink. apart from town hall mtg of the List (too little, too late), what can advance this cold case now?
Kaine/Desiree are marking wrong tree imo to find SZ. May be connected, but not the diagnostic path.
Since bios useless imo for LE pressure,
1) whither pressure sources on DA’s Office now in charge?
2) whither should the “in charge” go? (fbi, or more likely PPB cold case unit?)
@wpg
wpg says:
July 7, 2012 at 3:32 pm
The link and Blink’s response regarding AS-S and SZ’s description:
“beejay says:
August 29, 2011 at 4:29 am
Blink: a long time ago you told us that the guy who took Ky could not have been AS-S.
But, why not?”
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“Does not match the description in any way.”
B
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-206/#comments
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@wpg
I think AS-S may have been incarcerated at the time of Ky’s disappearance.
(snipped) “Blink, regarding SZ and a description. Is there anything other than a generic description? I’m referring to nationality, i.e. caucasian, hispanic, asian? Possible age? Thanks.
Utterly generic.
B”
lyla,
I don’t suspect AS-S is SZ at all.
I brought up Blink’s response regarding AS-S (and Blink’s response regarding D.A.D.) for what I based my impression on that SZ is perhaps on the tall size – - as opposed to AS-S who is not.
lyla,
Just to note, the linked comment about AS-S was a follow-up to my earlier post on July 7, 2012 at 12:13 pm.
IMO Trying to figure out the time Kyron was last seen at Skyline school on June 4.
T. Ruth says:
July 7, 2012 at 11:48 am
White truck outside school
Kaine Horman & Desiree Young 8/27 pt.2 Video: http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Kaine-Horman–Desiree-Young-827-pt-2-kyron-horman-missing-portland-101688128.h
Reporter: Potentially one person in the truck… three people… the white truck, Terri’s truck… can you talk…
Desiree: (interrupts) Kaine’s truck (laughs)
Reporter: a little bit about that…
Reporter: Kaine’s truck. I’m sorry… What are your thoughts on that new information? Do you feel as though Dede was in that truck?
Desiree: (interrupts) It just makes me feel stronger that, that there were people helping her… that Kyron saw it all and was involved and that there were other people helping her… which is what we suspected.
Reporter: So because… but do you believe that a man was spotted? I mean again, these are witness accounts, and I don’t know how much information that you’ve been privy to about what the, what is the likeliest scenario?
Desiree: Well first of all, why would Kyron even be outside the school? Why would he even be near a truck with somebody else in it?
You know. I mean it’s significant in a huge way to the case. If the timeline played out the way that it supposedly did? That contradicts that completely.
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From the statement made here about the witness siting of Kyron near Kaines truck on June 4 contradicting Terri’s timeline completely it seems to me that the time when Kyron was seen outside the school by a truck must have been between 9:00 AM and 9:30.
Desiree had to have known that Terri was seen at Fred Meyer 2 at 9:30am – 10:00am by AndreaLeckey (unless Desiree thought Andrea was not telling the truth about speaking with Terri at FM2).
if Desiree thought that Terri was at the school and then at FM2 at 9:30am – 10:am then she must have figured Kaines truck could not have been at the school much past 9:15am – 9:25 because of the time it takes to get from the school to FM2.
Also there were other sitings of Kyron after 9:00 am when Terri left. Tanner saw him and another student claimed to have seen Kyron with some other children in the Skyline school gym.
I believe that the part of Terri’s timeline about being at FM1 at around 9:12am and having a receipt to prove it. So it sounds to me like kyron may have been seen(maybe last seen) outside the school with someone(SZ?) at around 9:15am – 9:25am. But I don’t think he was seen near Kaines truck.
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http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Grand-jury-witness-shares-her-encounter-with/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx
On June 4, between 9:30-10 a.m., Andrea Leckey ran into Horman at the Fred Meyer along Walker Road in Beaverton, sharing an encounter that was the longest they had ever had.
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http://www.katu.com/news/local/98434609.html
“I just saw him (Kyron) in the gym, and I saw the truck out in the parking lot,” he said Wednesday. Kessinger said Kyron was looking at other students’ science fair projects, seemed happy and was with friends.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tAZ1FmHtcI
Interview with Tanner Pumala friend and classmate of Kyron Horman
LOL I see his name is Adam Lee Brown
Not Allen
But I am amazed he still lives
“utterly generic” – B
I find that almost impossible with regard to humans. To say someone blended in, yes. But to say that they were completely and absolutely, basically non-descript? If there were several witnesses who saw Ky leave with SZ, there would have to be some differentiating characteristic seen by someone.
Unless… SZ was in disguise and dressed to look like someone else. What if DAD was dressed in women’s clothing, to look like TH so that no heads would turn when he left with Ky. And yet, TH had her alibi on the store video at the same time.
Blink stated that absent finding DAD, we may not have answers. Maybe DAD was assisted by JTR, whose death was deemed “suspicious” on 2/26/11 when he was found dead on NW Skyline between Johnson and Moreland Roads. No sign of trauma; were toxicology results ever posted?
DAD took off on 1/23/11.
DAD lived in the area of the search. He could blend in disguised as TH. He was a landscaper. Previous travel to CA, the Caribbean and Thailand. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor prostitution charge in Portland in 1999.
I believe that they were closing in on DAD and therein lies the answer to this mystery. AMW site states authorities now believe DAD might have crossed state lines into CA.
Another thought. James Builger was abducted from a mall in England in February, 1993 by two 10yr old boys and subsequently killed by them. If Ky was taken from the school by a youngster, he or she might have blended in pretty easily, however, there still would be distinguishing characteristics.
I feel that the only way someone could blend in “utterly generic” in this situation would be disguised as someone else.
@ wpg says:
July 7, 2012 at 7:35 pm
beejay,
You have an approximate height for your suspect?
Thanks in advance.
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I don’t know if the description I got, in a roundabout way, is the same as Blink’s. Which is to say, mine might not be correct.
Which is also to say, when Blink is ready–and able–to post SZ’s description she will. We’re not going to be able to make an end-run around her because she reads here! No disrespect meant; I’d love to have the verified-correct description of SZ too. Out of sheer curiosity if nothing else.
My own work offscreen starts from the other end, so to speak. Working back toward SZ. Not from SZ’s description forward.
The only relevance to neon was that if I could say more, I would do so loud, flashing and vibrantly- I worded that poorly, my appollies.
My overall concern is that some specificity would indicate witnesses and with a SZ out there, I feel strongly those folks need to protected.
xoxo
B
WA teen says he preyed on children at mother’s day care
(snipped) “When Moore is sentenced later this month, he’ll likely be confined in juvenile detention until age 21.”)
http://www.kgw.com/home/WA-teen-admits-preying-on-children-at-his-mothers-day-care-161671815.html
He’s 18 now and he’ll be on the streets in two years. Unbelievable!
January says:
July 7, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Could their “investigation” have anything to do with Kyron?
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Good question, although Blink says Brown is not our guy. JMO but I think the “part of an investigation”, is referring to the recent event in the Wendy’s bathroom. Pukes me, but Brown is pleading not guilty. Due to insanity maybe? If he were, then is it possible all past records in regard to his psychological evals might become sealed as part of the investigation? IDK, anyone know if that would be the case?
Rose says:
July 7, 2012 at 7:19 pm
@TRuth. imo a SZ as cunning as ours would not demean himself to be on any list. How mundane…
And Blink once said SZ is not on List. But possible demonstrators were the Foundation project liaison, a solar and/or wind turbine contractor. There was one attendee on the list who regularly did science demos, can’t remember who. i put the url here what feels like eons ago.
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Someone on the list regularly did science demos? I didn’t see your post on him/her. Maybe my brain is just getting foggy, I remember discussing the person who was in charge of the turbine project display, but I don’t recall him being on the list. Is that who you’re talking about?
What I meant by a company having a list showing whether or not their employee was there that day AND that someone at Skyline would have been privy to their presence as well, has to do with brainstorming a “cover-up”.
In order to “cover-up” something, one has to know what it is they are covering up. So, I’m thinking, that if there were a corporate cover-up going on of some kind, there are at least two parties who would be involved. The company who employs the person and someone from the school who knew they were there in that capacity, both of whom are now saying the person was not in attendance that day. Therefore, not on the list, or, the way the list was worded, put on the list by LE, so that people could say they did not see them, when they actually had, or…..”cover up”. However, Blink says SZ is not on the list, so the former would be the case. Hope I made myself more clear.
I can not figure out who would be generic unless
They were known by some type of uniform
A postman
A painter
A police man
And so on
When this is solved it will be interesting to find out just
Who is generic
wpg says:
July 8, 2012 at 11:34 am
The only relevance to neon was that if I could say more, I would do so loud, flashing and vibrantly- I worded that poorly, my appollies.
My overall concern is that some specificity would indicate witnesses and with a SZ out there, I feel strongly those folks need to protected.
xoxo
B
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I believe Blink stated SZ was not on the list MCSO asked for. So I’m discounting all those folks. Maybe someone who worked on the school property i.e.made deliverys, hauled garbage, janitorial services, possibly a seasonal worker. All would know the inside of the school and possibly some of the kids. I wondering if SZ knew TH?
I couldn’t pick out our postman in a crowd if he had on regular clothes
I never really looked closely at him
I only know the truck and uniform
But I do notice is some one new comes with the mail
It is strange
However if there is a need to protect witnesses
then this person must be dangerous or some thing
That makes me concerned
For anyone else who’s interested in Adam Lee Brown’s criminal history as well as a few other things, here is what I have so far …
********************************************************************
Previous Addresses
Address Last Seen
290 Woodruff Mountain Rd, Roseburg, OR 97471 02/1993
5000 NE Stephens St Unit 2, Roseburg, OR 97470 1993
201 Diamond Way Apt 223, Vista, CA 92083 07/1986
1390 Tierra Blanca Ave, Oceanside, CA 92054 07/1986
1210 W Gore Ave, Lovington, NM 88260
2101 E Central Ave, Lovington, NM 88260
286 NE Flagg St, Roseburg, OR 97470
529 Chapel Lake Dr Apt, Virginia Beach, VA 23454
139 Tierra Blanca Ave Apt D, Oceanside, CA 92054
Aliases
Name Age
Adam L Brown Unavailable
Adam L Brown 49
Adam L Brown 49
Adam L Brown 49
Adam L Brown 49
Adam Brown 49
Criminal History
Adam Lee Brown (49)
State: | Date of Birth: 08/29/1962
N/A
Sex
N/A
Race
N/A
Height
N/A
Weight
Court Record ID: CDOU92CR2380FEDEF00001
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: Dismissed
Court Disposition Date: 12/30/1993
Source Name: Or Admin Office Of Courts
Source State: OR
Charge Category:
Source: Oraoc2 View
Offense Date: 05/01/1992
Offense Code:
Offense: Unlawful sexual pen – i
Court Record ID: CDOU92CR2380FEDEF00001
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: Dismissed
Court Disposition Date: 12/30/1993
Source Name: Or Admin Office Of Courts
Source State: OR
Charge Category:
Source: Oraoc2 View
Offense Date: 05/01/1992
Offense Code:
Offense: Sex pen w/foreign obj-i
Court Record ID: CDOU92CR2380FEDEF00001
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: Dismissed
Court Disposition Date: 12/30/1993
Source Name: Or Admin Office Of Courts
Source State: OR
Charge Category:
Source: Oraoc2 View
Offense Date: 08/01/1992
Offense Code:
Offense: Attempted murder
Court Record ID: DDOU 92CR2380FDEF00001
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: Dismissed Defendant Indicted
Court Disposition Date: 11/13/1992
Source Name: Or Admin Office Of Courts
Source State: OR
Charge Category:
Source: Oraoc2 View
Offense Date: 05/01/1992
Offense Code:
Offense: Sexual abuse 1
Court Record ID: 0167360
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: Sentenced
Court Disposition Date: Unavailable
Source Name: Or Dept Of Corrections
Source State: OR
Charge Category:
Source: Ordoc
Offense Date: Unavailable
Offense Code:
Offense: Sodomy i
Court Record ID: 0167360
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: Sentenced
Court Disposition Date: Unavailable
Source Name: Or Dept Of Corrections
Source State: OR
Charge Category:
Source: Ordoc
Offense Date: Unavailable
Offense Code:
Offense: Pps violation sanction
Court Record ID: CCOO 12CR0044DEF00001
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: Judgment Dismissal Criminal
Court Disposition Date: 02/14/2012
Source Name: Or Admin Office Of Courts
Source State: OR
Charge Category:
Source: Oraoc2 View
Offense Date: 01/15/2012
Offense Code:
Offense: Mail theft
Court Record ID: CDOU92CR2380FEDEF00001
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: Dismissed
Court Disposition Date: 12/30/1993
Source Name: Or Admin Office Of Courts
Source State: OR
Charge Category:
Source: Oraoc2 View
Offense Date: 05/01/1992
Offense Code:
Offense: Attempted murder
Court Record ID: CDOU92CR2380FEDEF00001
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: Dismissed
Court Disposition Date: 12/30/1993
Source Name: Or Admin Office Of Courts
Source State: OR
Charge Category:
Source: Oraoc2 View
Offense Date: 08/01/1992
Offense Code:
Offense: Del mariju repealed/renumbered
Court Record ID: CDOU92CR2380FEDEF00001
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: Dismissed
Court Disposition Date: 12/30/1993
Source Name: Or Admin Office Of Courts
Source State: OR
Charge Category:
Source: Oraoc2 View
Offense Date: 05/01/1992
Offense Code:
Offense: Recklessly endanger another
Court Record ID: CDOU92CR2380FEDEF00001
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: Convicted
Court Disposition Date: 12/30/1993
Source Name: Or Admin Office Of Courts
Source State: OR
Charge Category:
Source: Oraoc2 View
Offense Date: 08/01/1992
Offense Code:
Offense: Sodomy-1
Court Record ID: CDOU92CR2380FEDEF00001
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: Dismissed
Court Disposition Date: 12/30/1993
Source Name: Or Admin Office Of Courts
Source State: OR
Charge Category:
Source: Oraoc2 View
Offense Date: 08/01/1992
Court Record ID: CDOU92CR2380FEDEF00001
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: Dismissed
Court Disposition Date: 12/30/1993
Source Name: Or Admin Office Of Courts
Source State: OR
Charge Category:
Source: Oraoc2 View
Offense Date: 05/01/1992
Offense Code:
Offense: Rape-1
Court Record ID: 19643
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: Registered
Court Disposition Date: Unavailable
Source Name: Or Sex Offender Registry (Web)
Source State: OR
Charge Category: Sex Offender
Source: Soror Web
Offense Date: Unavailable
Offense Code:
Offense: Sodomy 1-fel
M
Sex
W
Race
508
Height
145
Weight
Court Record ID: 19643
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: Registered
Court Disposition Date: Unavailable
Source Name: Or Sex Offender Registry (Web)
Source State: OR
Charge Category: Sex Offender
Source: Soror Web
Offense Date: Unavailable
Offense Code:
Offense: Sodomy 1-fel
Court Record ID: 19643
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: Registered
Court Disposition Date: Unavailable
Source Name: Or Sex Offender Registry (Web)
Source State: OR
Charge Category: Sex Offender
Source: Soror Web
Offense Date: Unavailable
Offense Code:
Offense: Sodomy 1-fel
Court Record ID: 0167360
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: Sentenced
Court Disposition Date: Unavailable
Source Name: Or Dept Of Corrections
Source State: OR
Charge Category:
Source: Ordoc
Offense Date: Unavailable
Offense Code:
Offense: Identity theft
Court Record ID: CDOU92CR2380FEDEF00001
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: Dismissed
Court Disposition Date: 12/30/1993
Source Name: Or Admin Office Of Courts
Source State: OR
Charge Category:
Source: Oraoc2 View
Offense Date: 08/01/1992
Offense Code:
Offense: Rape-1
Court Record ID: CDOU92CR2380FEDEF00001
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: Convicted
Court Disposition Date: 12/30/1993
Source Name: Or Admin Office Of Courts
Source State: OR
Charge Category:
Source: Oraoc2 View
Offense Date: 05/01/1992
Offense Code:
Offense: Sodomy-1
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The list is long including mail theft and identity fraud. I think Mike Brooks commenting on JVM the other night was right. Too bad Brown didn’t put up more of a fight and refuse to surrender after he lied and told police he had a gun so they could’ve just taken him out at Wendy’s after he stabbed and attempted to molest that 10-yr old boy. Problem solved and one less predator the country needs to try to keep track of, IMO.
Off topic, does anyone happen to maybe know if the bathroom Brown waited near at the Wendy’s to attack the 10-yr old was inside or outside the restaurant? Assuming all modern fast food places have their bathrooms on the inside nowadays but wasn’t sure. If it was in fact inside as I suspect, what he did was gutsy because anyone could’ve easily have noticed and heard him waiting outside by the bathroom so how I really expected to carry out his plan and get away before anyone caught him, I have no idea. I always thought most SO’s did things like that in less public places so they wouldn’t get noticed or caught? I think I maybe need a reality check after this one.
beejay says:
July 7, 2012 at 3:18 pm
@rose: Rose says:
July 6, 2012 at 8:27 am
@beejay. You were committed to a suspect once removed from Rudy. Enlisted by Rudy. Still true?
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Yes’m. Once or more removed. My little duck feet are paddling madly below the surface.
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@beejay – Care to share anything, friend? Come on, throw me another bone to chew. I have about a thousand of them piled up in the corner, LOL!
Janden says:
July 8, 2012 at 7:14 am
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Blink stated that absent finding DAD, we may not have answers. Maybe DAD was assisted by JTR, whose death was deemed “suspicious” on 2/26/11 when he was found dead on NW Skyline between Johnson and Moreland Roads. No sign of trauma; were toxicology results ever posted?
@Janden- Wrt Trejo, LE never made any further announcements and I never found an obit for him. That said, I do know from snooping through his My Space and FB accounts that he was a gang banger from Calif. IMHO his death had something to do with his gang activties, Portland has a nasty gang problem on it’s hands, lots of violence and murders. We dug into him a lot here and never made any connections to DAD or Kyron’s cases.
What is a SZ?
Blink,
Thanks for the neon clarification.
Changing topic a bit, is there anything legally, in your opinion, that would prevent TH from crossing state lines, or leaving the country/and/or entering another, say for a brief change of scenery with financial expenses paid by a friend or family member?
The only thing I can think of would be her own lawyer agreement . I check daily for a sealed Jane Doe indictment- their is none, so she is a free citizen.
B
It has been said before but if SZ was a generic looking minor it would make sense why no description would be released. I am not sure that that should be a consideration as I am uncertain as to how Blink would feel about a minor’s description being released and I feel she thinks the description should be released.
Anyway Blink’s comment Utterly…has had me thinking about farms with cows.
@Ode says:
July 8, 2012 at 4:58 pm
It has been said before but if SZ was a generic looking minor it would make sense why no description would be released. I am not sure that that should be a consideration as I am uncertain as to how Blink would feel about a minor’s description being released and I feel she thinks the description should be released.
Anyway Blink’s comment Utterly…has had me thinking about farms with cows.
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Udderly….lol!
Utterly Farms, MOO. LOL.
Sue says:
July 7, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Can someone please put me out of my misery? I haven’t read about the Kyron Horman case in so long and I can’t remember who SZ is and his relation to TH. What is SZ’s name please? I’m trying to catch up, but see no mention of his actual name and relation to TH. Is he the gardener? TY
Randie says:
July 8, 2012 at 4:24 pm
What is a SZ?
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Short answer – SZ is the designation we use to represent the person who took Kyron from the school. His name is unknown to us. Law Enforcement (LE) has neither acknowledged his existence nor given any clues to who he is. Kyron did not leave with Terri. We believe this person was male and called Kyron by his name. He also appears to have had a rather generic appearance. LE either does not know who he is, or knows and has no proof and no connection between him and Terri. There are other details we have discussed but if you keep reading along, you are likely to see them come up again in future posts.
Long answer – There are thousands of posts in this and previous threads about him and how we have gotten to where we are in our collective thinking about this case if you have extra time for reading back. It is nice to have new people join in. Right now I think we can all agree that other than finding Kyron, our biggest concern is who is SZ and what degree of danger does he pose to other children. I think most, if not all, of us here cannot at this point see any way to agree with LE that there is no potential danger to other children from this person.
Thank You MBS- I would only add SZ= suspect zero. It is similar to the investigative term unsub=unkown subject. In this case, it is SZ because their were witnesses.
B