Kyron Horman Missing Case Breaking News: Remains Believed To Be Human Located Off Sauvie Island
Sauvie Island, Oregon-There are unconfirmed reports that a teenage boy fishing off of Sauvie Island located a human skull, and potentially other human body parts.
Update 1: As referenced on KOIN, a teenage fisherman believes he snagged a scalp with human hair attached, which he originally thought was horse hair. Columbia County detectives cordoned off the scene last evening and MCSO dive teams entered the water but found nothing. The possible “hair” was sent for testing.
Multnomah County Sheriff Office will not comment on the find, or confirm whether their office has facilitated the removal of same, or forwarded any items to the medical examiner for testing.
Following the disappearance of Kyron Horman, Sauvie Island has been the subject of repeated searchers for the missing Skyline second grader with no results.
It is also the former home of a man considered to be Federal fugitive following a confrontation with a Lincoln City officer with nearly fatal results. Officer Steven Dodds was able to return to duty after extensive rehabilitation.
Durham was a Sauvie Island resident for over 6 years and a volunteer fire fighter until he was removed from duty 6 months prior to the shooting.
David Durham’s dog was recovered injured following what appeared to be an accident in the suspects vehicle and is being cared for by a friend of the family. Mr. Durham has not been seen since his vehicle was recovered in the bay town of Waldport, Oregon.
Please check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates to this breaking story.
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Drug use, mental illness fueled sex abuser’s crimes
CHRISTIAN BRINGHURST
The News-Review
http://www.nrtoday.com/article/20120710/NEWS/120719999/1055&parentprofile=1055
Amys Sister says:
July 10, 2012 at 11:44 am
mosaic says:
November 15, 2010 at 1:49 pm
Hatred of a seven year old? Wow, that is profoundly sad on so many levels.
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I know, my question is, who the hell was she comfortable enough to write something like that to?
I fear I already know.
B
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Blink,
Do you have an idea as to whom Terri addressed her supposed hateful emails about Kyron to.
Respectfully, I would ask that before you ask, if you would be so kinds as to read the other comments on the thread, I answered this this morning or last evening. I apologize to all for the demands on my time this week especially.
B
46. Rose says:
July 11, 2012 at 5:09 am
@mbs. not thinking clearly here but grateful for your AL review. I always frlt from her comments AL did not like Terri (who does?). I always thought AL was a person from the gym (generic).
I was startled to read then that AL is the gym’s own employee. a Customer Service repr. And what that means, from your urls, is she “checks people in to the gym”!
Imo that makes her the front desk check- in person who scans the membership card or whatever, and therefore she is most likely the person Terri asked if Kaine was there and to let her know if Kitty was there–the person who told Briede Terri was in jeopardy of abducting her own child and who kicked off those kidnapping headlines. Now in your url, mbs, AL says Terri rarely had conversation with her. So whence the animus?
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Rose those are two different Gyms. AL worked at 24Hr and Briede owns The Edge. TH had a membership to both places.
@MockingbirdSings
@lyla –
Since the emails were said to be in the weeks just before June 4th, and to an extended family member, that seems to eliminate RS as the recipient.
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Thanks MbS. We would all love to know just how “explosive” those emails were and who received them. They could be absolutely irrelevent to Kyron’s disappearance unless LE has credible evidence TH participated in his disappearance, to the contrary I think they have suspicion of her involvement and nothing else. She may have been a catalyst for what went down on June 4th but LE has repeatedly stated they have no physical evidence tying anyone to his disappearance. In the meantime SZ is still on the loose and I don’t think they’re any farther into the investigation then they were a year ago. I hope I’m wrong. Kyron deserves to be located.
@T.Ruth
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Court-docs-detail-attack-on-boy-in-Wendys-restroom-161971825.html
This AH needs to be incarcerated forever…sick, sick, sick.
Fascinating article on a Portland police forensic sketch artist and his process:
“Beaverton Police Detective Michael Purdy fights crime with forensic art”
Published: Wednesday, July 11, 2012, 11:05 AM
(snipped)
“Purdy stays busy. As one of a handful of police officers in the Portland area who draw suspected criminals, the 50-year-old forensic artist does composite sketches for cases within and beyond Beaverton’s city limits.
People know the tasks of the forensic artist from TV crime shows, movies and books. The job requires both drawing and interviewing skills, and the sketches can make a difference in whether a crime is solved.
Purdy’s boss, Detective Sgt. Jim Shumway, described the detective as a detail-oriented, thorough investigator with strong interviewing skills.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/beaverton/index.ssf/2012/07/beaverton_police_detective_mic.html#incart_river_default
@Rose says:
July 11, 2012 at 5:09 am
I get these confused all the time, but aren’t those two different gyms? The one Terri worked out at where Angela worked and the one Kaine worked out at (Breide’s gym) are two different gyms are they not?
LE thinks that TH had an accomplice, so they would still be interested in her whereabouts. Example; did she hire someone who looked like KH to take Kyron? I don’t think she hired anyone, but they think she was involved with SZ.
Between Miss Bri, and myself, we seem to be considering the reasons why the description is not being released. In both, we explore SZ matching the description of Kyron’s parents. I can see how the school would think they are not liable for Kyron leaving with someone they thought was TH or KH, even though as MBS points out, that is still no excuse.
I’m with you on the frustration.
VLH says:
July 11, 2012 at 4:17 am
Blink,
In your opinion . . . what 3 things should LE do right now?
Thank you, as always.
ps
Thanks for your response on the Dateline episode, Blink.
I did watch it when if aired November 12, 2010, and watched what looked like someone’s home-video from years back showing TH playing with, imo, her son when he was a youngster – - going down a slide with him, TH playing baseball, and a close-up of a TH (appeared to be a highlighted-blonde at that time) smiling and speaking to the person behind the video camera. It was the only time I have had heard her voice.
1. The state should proffer a deal to drop any potential mfh charges if she agrees to take a polygraph of no more than 10 questions that are strictly related to Kyron’s disappearance, and it should be conducted by the FBI. She must achieve a no deception result.
2. MCSO and the DA should request FBI assistance in developing a lead generating campaign by announcing facts in the case that are not public, that confirm the involvement of a male at Skyline on June 4th.
3. They should come clean with any investigative errors as a way to re-set the clock and find this baby so it is not hanging over anyone’s head.
B
Amys Sister says:
July 10, 2012 at 10:57 am
(snipped)
As a mother of three, one a ten year old boy (exactly Kyron’s age), I just have to say that fear be damned, if my child had witnessed SZ I would be going public. How can doing so possibly hurt the investigation in any way? I’ve said it before, how would my child be in any danger just by giving a description of this guy? Me or my child’s identity would never need to be revealed but like Wendy Furor, I’m not sure I wouldn’t be willing to do that either.
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You bring up a good point. Blink says there are multiple witnesses who saw this SZ, yet LE says nothing about SZ, the family says nothing about SZ. Did these witnesses not go to LE and tell them what they saw? I’m thinking they did. Were these witnesses then discounted by LE, because they were children and perhaps the descriptions are different? Or is it possible that the entire witnessed event was discounted by LE as having nothing to do with Kyron’s disappearance and perhaps only later on considered significant, if at all. If so, why?
For instance if a child (or multiple children) saw Kyron leaving the building with a man, whom they could not identify, is it possible that this man is a respected citizen and came forward (perhaps after all the news about Ky being seen outside by a white truck) and said “oh yeah, that was me with Kyron, I asked him to help me carry something to my vehicle. I watched Kyron go back inside, then I left.” Then, this person has a false, but solid alibi of some sort that shows he couldn’t have taken Kyron with him. Or someone else is maybe lying for him, saying they were with him that day directly after, or witnessed this person leaving without Kyron, but they really did not. Or someone (an accomplice perhaps) said they saw Kyron later on inside the school. Also, maybe LE after looking into this SZ, finds nothing, no motive, no sordid history. Just a nice respectable guy. (I hope I’m making sense, ‘cuz heck, just thinking along this line I’m confusing myself.) Anyway, if something like this had happened, there would be no reason for LE to issue a description of SZ, because they know who SZ is. Maybe they even asked SZ to take a LDT and he passed. IDK, but, Terri is not the only one who could be making up some sort of false alibi with a receipt or a lying friend. (Remember, 60 POI’s.)
I guess what I’m saying is, if Terri Horman isn’t lying, then someone else just must be, because I just have a very difficult time believing that if SZ was a perfect stranger to that school, that LE would not release a description. So, IMO, they must know who SZ is, and, apparently, are not concerned, at least not at this point. They surely wouldn’t want to give that information out to Houze either, because it would add another defacto suspect for Houze to point to. JMO
Gosh I was hoping to be reading of some sort of news of Houze filing today. Just wondering, can they ask the court for more time to respond?
Respectfully, no, not a good point at all. Sorry T. Ruth, I missed Amy’s sis original response so I am tagging along here since you are in agreement.
If a child saw suspect zero, HE SAW THEM. Hello?
Just because one does not understand the facts of criminal process and procedure, as it relates to eye witness testimony, do we think we might at least agree that those that do have at least this right?
Honestly, we need to stop saying what we would do without the facts.
B
Blink,
You have lighted 3 pathways focused on bringing Kyron home.
Thank you.
xoxo’s
lyla says:
July 11, 2012 at 2:58 pm
@T.Ruth
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Court-docs-detail-attack-on-boy-in-Wendys-restroom-161971825.html
This AH needs to be incarcerated forever…sick, sick, sick.
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Well this is weird. Lyla, your post is responding to a post that on my end says is still awaiting moderation. Yes, indeedy, his own daughter (the second report I linked) says he’s “a monster”. Why on earth couldn’t the people in charge of his quote/unquote rehabilitation see this? I’m losing faith in this system more and more each day and I hope there’s a way the parents of the little guy he attacked in that restroom can sue the chit of the idiots who let this guy out. It appears to take a Jacyee Dugard type lawsuit to make any changes to the way things are handled in our justice department any more. Not to mention missing children to make a school step up to their responsibilities of safeguarding our children. Like Blink says this stuff is preventable!
I know this creep shouldn’t have been out on parole in the first place, but thinking about how his PO’s said he wouldn’t stop doing drugs, does anyone know if antibuse (which comes from a mushroom btw), works on drugs such as meth. I believe it was outlawed as a punishment/deterrent (at least in some states) for use on repeated drunk drivers, but I wonder if it would work on repeated drug users?
Respectfully, no, not a good point at all. Sorry T. Ruth, I missed Amy’s sis original response so I am tagging along here since you are in agreement.
If a child saw suspect zero, HE SAW THEM. Hello?
Just because one does not understand the facts of criminal process and procedure, as it relates to eye witness testimony, do we think we might at least agree that those that do have at least this right?
Honestly, we need to stop saying what we would do without the facts.
B
Gosh, sorry Blink but you lost me. The right to do what? The point Amy made that I referred to as good point is that it is obvious that if there are witnesses that have already gone forward and reported seeing a SZ, then LE knows there is an SZ. IOW, they’ve already come forward, even though they may not come forward *publicly* to the media about what they witnessed, which I would not blame them at all. (And unless I’m reading her post incorrectly, that’s what Amy says too, that she wouldn’t do what Wendy Fuhrer did, but she would go to LE)
The rest of my post is just a guess as to why LE would not put out a description of SZ. a) conflicting descriptions or b) no worry about SZ, cuz they know who he is and do not think he’s involved. Gosh, sometimes I must not be clear at all. Sorry if I’m too wordy.
no, your fine, I was responding to Amy’s sis post that she would go public if her child was a witness.
Sorry if I was not clear.
B
@T. Ruth says:
July 11, 2012 at 6:48 pm
lyla says:
July 11, 2012 at 2:58 pm
@T.Ruth
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Court-docs-detail-attack-on-boy-in-Wendys-restroom-161971825.html
This AH needs to be incarcerated forever…sick, sick, sick.
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I live in Portland and it seems there has been an abundance of these sicko’s that have been released back into society after committing horrendous crimes. I almost believe we do not have the manpower or monetary resources to ensure the safety of our citizens. For god’s sake a Wendys restaurant!!! And the fifteen year old boy in the State of Washington who in the process of rape killed a 5 year old girl. The caseload on the investigators must be overwhelming. Just venting…
Is this the same PO Box that was being used by RS Landscaping? Weirdly, the PO Box now belongs to a Group Home Program. (Foster care/adoption) Wasn’t there some other business using the same PO Box as well? So are they both gone?
http://www.ea.org/group-home-program.html
Warner Mountains
Corner of Co. Rds. 82 & 161
P.O. Box 347
Canby, CA 96015
(530) 233-5200
@Blink.
re The 3 action items you propose:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/06/11/kyron-horman-missing-case-breaking-news-remains-believed-to-be-human-located-off-sauvie-island/
On target. Rock on. How could any professional DA in investigatory pursuit not execute those 3 critical steps? I guess one Running for Office, though not challenged. Pride can be a barrier. .
Today I spent 9-5 working on accruing 3 years of CEUs before I end up disbarred. Been a good while since I was around peers. it stood out to all of us CEUers in the room who the attorney professionals with subject mastery were versus the couple of presenters who surprisingly were both incompetent and simultaneously full of themselves….., Maybe Web and phone seminars have lowered the prestige of teaching, or the teaching talent pool. Anyway, just as mayors and hedge mgrs vary enormously in competence, so do DAs and Sheriffs. Let’s hope for the best and not coverups or stubbornness.
@TRuth. Yes that is still confused. Terri & Kaine were members over time at 24 hour. Briede was an employee, the mgr at 24 (before that at Gold’s?). His sister iirc also worked & works at 24 Hr. the lawsuit urls were posted here mutiple times. Briede began to plan opening his own gym the year before he did so. IIRC from the suit, He negotiated with the owner of 24 Hr’s space to take it over when the 24 Hr lease expired. He also allegedly (per 24 Hr) tried to hire some 24 Hr employees. IIRC, 24 Hr changed locations; Xtreme retrofitted the former 24 Hrlocation & hired some employees & opened the month so two before the abduction.
I am not clear if it was 24 Hrs’ new site Kaine & Terri went to prior to the abduction or in the first week. They were still members I guess & it was their longtime gym. On the other hand it was to Briede’s Xtreme Kaine was taking Kiara by the separation. The url you posted said Andrea Leaky was the gym’s Customer Repr who checked people in.
So, you’re right the question is where? Had she followed Briede to Xtreme, or did she remain at 24 Hr
Blink Blink Blink Blink
http://www.kgw.com/news/Bergeson-162113225.html
re-opening the case with cold case detectives 7-11-12
I see no reason to publish this, but you can if you want, of course. I know you are familiar with this case because you told me when I mentioned it before. If you are still interested, I didn’t want you to miss the latest news.
It is interesting that they are releasing some new information after all this time, but so far, all I’ve seen, is that she did fight back (no details given). Originally, they said there was no sign of a struggle. It’s hard for me to see how they would know after the autopsy that she tried to fight back, but have said there were no obvious signs of a struggle when she was discovered, unless they didn’t look very hard. But, of course, I’m no expert.
I do have one question – how would knowing that she did fight back spark any new information in this or any case? It doesn’t strike me as a “clue” in the way we discuss clues here. We are always wishing LE would/could release some new information in Kyron’s case, but not every piece of information seems likely to be productive. Am I missing something – not in her case particularly, but in how useful it would be to know that?
If you are too busy to answer, that’s OK.
I just read back which I should’ve done first.
Thanks, Concerned Citizen for clarifying. So AL did not
remain at the former 24 Hr location when Briede took it over
& some former employees signed on with him?
AL moved over to the new 24 Hr location continuing with
her employer?
Did we examine whether it was possible Dede & DAD were acquainted?
BRAVO Blink for your response and to WPG for asking the question.
In my opinion, your comments in #9 above clearly and concisely spell out the most logical statements that could potentially progress this case that I’ve read in a very long time.
It angers me that this case seems to have reached a dead end. After reading your very well worded proposals I am filled with even more outrage that an outside advocate can see it, but our local LE appears to sit on their hands and take no action.
Blink in your opinion…
· Do you feel the local or national media could pressure LE into taking action on your suggestions?
· In your opinion why has the media kept so quiet; why haven’t they exposed more to the public?
· Why is Tony Young keeping so quiet?
Please forgive me for another rant and boat load of questions. I have faith that when the time is right, you will spell things out for us. I look forward to your next update. Though I have mixed feelings about the Civil Case, I totally appreciate that Desiree wants desperately to find her son. It’s sad to me that it’s come to this. Your proposal seems far more straight forward and logical as well as far more financially beneficial to the parents (and Stepmother’s parents) than either the pending divorce or civil case as well as to Multnomah County. Thank you for all you do.
P.S. Calling all available Guardian Angels to the Portland, Roseburg and Medford areas please.
1. Yes they could, no they will not.
2. Because they do not want to alienate exclusives, and LE is not talking or answering any tough questions- not that they have been asked. At all. I have never seen anything like it and it gives off the appearance of lazy. Respectfully submitted to my peers- I don’t get it.
3. TY is a working detective, and if I were a betting person, knows this case well enough to know as it is, he cant be the one blaming anyone for anything he cannot prove publicly, and stay employed in his field. That said, I have no doubt he loves Kyron as his own.
B
I wonder to what degree LE thinks TH is involved, particularly if there is no physical evidence linking anyone to Ky’s disappearance.
What do you think LE’s theory is regarding TH’s involvement?
no, your fine, I was responding to Amy’s sis post that she would go public if her child was a witness.
Sorry if I was not clear.
B
Ahh, okay thanks. Yes, I understand, she seemed to sort of retract that in her last sentence. So, while on the subject, can you give us a list of reasons why you think LE has not even mentioned SZ? Aside from the ones I posted above, I can only think of one other, they do/did not want to start a panic. It would be great to hear your take on this. (If it’s okay to speculate that is. Geeze I’m talking like Yoda. LOL) Hot and tired, sorry.
@Blink:
wpg says:
July 11, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Blink,
In your opinion . . . what 3 things should LE do right now?
Thank you, as always.
(snipped)
1. The state should proffer a deal to drop any potential mfh charges if she agrees to take a polygraph of no more than 10 questions that are strictly related to Kyron’s disappearance, and it should be conducted by the FBI. She must achieve a no deception result.
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Okay, dumb question of the evening, do you or how would we know whether or not such an offer has already been made to TH? What would be pointing into the direction that this offer has NOT been offered? I mean, LE keeps saying she is not a suspect, so maybe this has already been done? OTOH, LE seems to be 100% behind Desiree’s civil suit, so I am so damn lost.
Okay, I need some clarification. Does anyone know for sure how LE made contact was made with RS Landscaping. Did he come forward on his own, or did LE or maybe even someone else (KH) track him down? I’ve seen different versions, and I see TrueNelson says he was found using “phone records”. I don’t see it here. I’m just wondering where TN got that information, because when I Google that it comes up solely TN. Just wondering if that’s a leak or if it’s total BS.
T. Ruth says:
July 11, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Is this the same PO Box that was being used by RS Landscaping? Weirdly, the PO Box now belongs to a Group Home Program. (Foster care/adoption) Wasn’t there some other business using the same PO Box as well? So are they both gone?
http://www.ea.org/group-home-program.html
Warner Mountains
Corner of Co. Rds. 82 & 161
P.O. Box 347
Canby, CA 96015
(530) 233-5200
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This PO Box is in Canby, California. R.S. Landscape Maintenance’s PO Box is also 347 but in Oregon. The registration for this business was renewed in January of this year and the address has not been changed as of today. The Renada Street address is also still the same.
I posted this on May 19, 2011, in response to neighbor:
The Canby PO Box was used by a lot of names and businesses, but when I checked out a bunch of them, they appeared to be unrelated. I have wondered if that is a box number held by a service that gathers mail and forwards it to the correct parties for a fee. Or it could be a bunch of fake names, but the business information fit with Oregon licenses and there should have been some ID verification to register.
Not even sure it is in a regular post office – could be a branch or a place that provides boxes and other postal services. Couldn’t find out online, and haven’t gone to Canby, but I could if it would help anything.
T. Ruth says:
July 11, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Okay, I need some clarification. Does anyone know for sure how LE made contact was made with RS Landscaping. Did he come forward on his own, or did LE or maybe even someone else (KH) track him down? I’ve seen different versions, and I see TrueNelson says he was found using “phone records”. I don’t see it here. I’m just wondering where TN got that information, because when I Google that it comes up solely TN. Just wondering if that’s a leak or if it’s total BS.
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There was a 911 call made by TH on Mother’s Day May 9, 2010 to report RS at her home in which LE responded and then went to RS home to interview. It has been stated that LE contacted RS (after Kyron’s disappearance) after looking at the records for possible retaliation and this is when RS stated the MFH plot.
Thanks, MBS, heck I didn’t pay any attention to the CA part. It was hot here yesterday and I think it affected my brain.
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@mas, I had heard about the Mother’s Day phone call, but I thought it was just a rumor. Just trying to sort fact from fiction. Was there a post of the 911 call at some point, or does Blink have a source that backs it up? I think I came on board here after most of the RS discussion, I’ll do some more looking around and archive reading. Thanks.
erose says:
July 11, 2012 at 4:51 pm
LE thinks that TH had an accomplice, so they would still be interested in her whereabouts. Example; did she hire someone who looked like KH to take Kyron? I don’t think she hired anyone, but they think she was involved with SZ.
Between Miss Bri, and myself, we seem to be considering the reasons why the description is not being released. In both, we explore SZ matching the description of Kyron’s parents. I can see how the school would think they are not liable for Kyron leaving with someone they thought was TH or KH, even though as MBS points out, that is still no excuse.
I’m with you on the frustration.
VLH says:
July 11, 2012 at 4:17 am
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JMHO here: I think it would be hard to mistake DAD for TH since he is over 6′ tall, thin and has no breasts. In a truck or picture, maybe, but not in physical proximity to him.
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I agree with the theory that the Skyline witnesses were mostly or all kids, that would explain some of the “hush” about SZ from LE. SZ is still out there and most certainly is a threat to other kids. As for the generic description, perhaps it is one that would literally fit hundreds of men, IDK. Even the Fanno Creek sketch is sort of generic as in there could be a lot of men out there that fit his description and sketch to some extent. It’s not like he had a tattoo on his forehead or something like that, and he was wearing mirrored sunglasses.
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Blink, I know you are going to sigh and maybe want to swack me, but I must ask:
Even though Adam Brown does not fit the profile for SZ, don’t criminals sometimes do things that differ from the profile esatblished for them?
I’m not trying to make AB into SZ, I’m just trying to learn how the profiling thing works and if it is ever wrong. ;D
Not abductors, no.
B
Blink knows how to profile, and she doesn’t believe Adam Brown is our guy, so I don’t believe it either… however, lol, what I don’t get is this: it’s been said that the difference between the two is the brazeness of the Skyline Abductor. Walking into an unorganized school science fair with hundreds of people in attendance (possible witnesses) and abducting a child is brazen… for sure… but IMO, walking into a Wendy’s with people there and attacking a child in the bathroom is pretty brazen too… different MO yes, but both acts were pretty brazen for sure IMO…
I have never used the word brazen in differentiating. It is not even in my profile vocab.
Very simple, respectfully- Brown is NOT a stranger abductor for sexual motivation, period.
B
Let’s see. MFH, Kyron’s disappearance, sexting, cavorting around half-naked with DDS. Either TH is psychologically fractured or she was set up. There is otherwise no normalcy to her actions. Mothers who love their children do not act this way when their child disappears.
If she is responsible, it is reminiscent of Diane Downs “Small Sacrifices”, and she is sitting and waiting in Roseburg, hoping LE will never catch up to her, thinking like most criminals that she is much, much smarter than everyone.
If she was set up, by whom? Retaliation by a scorned lover with help from gang members? You bring the cops to my house in front of my wife and children… I’ll kidnap your son and make it look like you did it.
Did her husband remove his son from both women to avoid custody battles and child support? Is it just me, or does KH seem more focused on the fundraisers than finding his son? I know B does not believe KH has anything to do with Ky’s disappearance but in my mind anyone is suspect until someone is proven.
I said it when the first PC aired and I stand by my feelings, that it seemed so rehearsed it reminded me of the balloon boy episode. Was this a balloon boy scheme gone bad? Really? My son has completely disappeared from the face of the earth and I’m worried about the shade of hi-lites in my hair and oh, let’s all wear these tee-shirts. Who made the tee-shirts? It was all a bit too cutesy for a child abduction PC.
You know what’s wrong with all of this? LE has probably made mistakes, big mistakes. The parents probably have ghosts in the closet, big ghosts. People are protecting witnesses. Locals are tight-lipped. The press is mute. They are all mute, not just TH in Roseburg.
So WTF cares about Kyron? What about Kyron?
http://www.katu.com/news/investigators/Slain-federal-public-defender-nancy-bergeson-fought-her-attacker-162161515.html
It would seem that bumbled crime scenes, an ME who miscalls a cause of death, and an unsolved murder (Nov ’09) are nothing new to PDX LE. Cold Cases hide facts…for awhile. No wonder there’s no progress nor public info on Kyron.
Way bad scene.
B
Avery Villarreal’s criminal history includes several interesting events on August 22, 2010. Could very well be a complete coincidence that he was charged with several counts of harassment, interference with making a report and recklessly endangering another on that day just two and a half mths after Ky’s disappearance but wondering what the 2 “HOLDS” are for in his file which show no dates. Anyone else know?
Avery Dean Villarreal (23)
State: OR | Date of Birth: 01/15/1988
M
Sex
Caucasian
Race
508
Height
130
Weight
Court Record ID: CWSH D103510MDEF00001
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: Convicted
Court Disposition Date: 11/12/2010
Source Name: Or Admin Office Of Courts
Source State: OR
Charge Category:
Source: Oraoc2 View
Offense Date: 08/22/2010
Offense Code:
Offense: Harassment
Court Record ID: 203638
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: N/A
Court Disposition Date: Unavailable
Source Name: Or Washington Arrest (Released Inmates)
Source State: OR
Charge Category: Arrest
Source: Ars Twashingtonor Ri
Offense Date: Unavailable
Offense Code:
Offense: Hold
Avery Dean Villarreal (23)
State: OR | Date of Birth: 01/15/1988
M
Sex
Caucasian
Race
508
Height
130
Weight
Court Record ID: CWSH D103510MDEF00001
Arresting Agency:
Court Disposition: Convicted
Court Disposition Date: 11/12/2010
Source Name: Or Admin Office Of Courts
Source State: OR
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January says:
July 12, 2012 at 2:59 pm
(snipped) “Blink knows how to profile, and she doesn’t believe Adam Brown is our guy, so I don’t believe it either… however, lol, what I don’t get is this: it’s been said that the difference between the two is the brazeness of the Skyline Abductor. Walking into an unorganized school science fair with hundreds of people in attendance (possible witnesses) and abducting a child is brazen… for sure… but IMO, walking into a Wendy’s with people there and attacking a child in the bathroom is pretty brazen too… different MO yes, but both acts were pretty brazen for sure IMO…
I have never used the word brazen in differentiating. It is not even in my profile vocab.
Very simple, respectfully- Brown is NOT a stranger abductor for sexual motivation, period.”
B
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Blink, What type of predator would Brown be as far as motivation is concerned? I recall your opinion in Kyron’s case as a “sexually motivated crime”.
lyla, respectfully, that is at least a 48 hour project to publish- after at least 72 hours of straight research- to attach my name to it. I can say their is zero evidence that he is a sexually motivated offender that fits the profile of a stranger to stranger sexually motivated pedophilic abductor.
Their are no absolutes, but his history is not one of an abductor who is an organized offender.
I can say that I am clueless as to what idiot thought this man could merge in society with this record and likely psyche background. I think he has a juvie record that is sealed, for sure.
B
@Soul Desire & Blink. Brava for the Q & the answer.
@TRuth. reason LE hasn’t ackowledged SZ?
Pride. Unwillingness to admit to floundering.
Unwillingness to undercut Kaine’s divorce case, quid pro quo, when
he went out on limb and filed for divorce & RO at their recommendation
to pressure Terri. All sort of silly if Staton not running again.
imo the school scoop key factor is not brazenness.
it is exquisitely cunning advance planning, whether
or not a specific child was pre-designated.
Fanno Creek’s behavioral characteristics do not resemble this SZ abductor behavior imo
(snipped) from TrueNelson
“A reader of this blog asked the following question: “What is your opinion on this news? Adam Lee Brown, a long term known pedophilia was arrested in Portland for attempting to molest a boy in a Wendy’s restaurant. He stabbed the boy (he survived) and was arrested. Turns out Adam Lee Brown is from Roseburg and knew/knows Terri Horman. Brown was paroled after 10 years, just before Kyron disappeared. Just asking the question, as are many in this area. Thanks for your thoughts!”
True is getting some “flack” from bloggers for not verifying the information before making it available on his website.
Well good news because he is an absolute hack. That link is not going to appear on my site, though I respect your sourcing of it.
Embarassing.
B
Re “hack,” imo it’s a cognitive issue.
the thing is, I totally trspect beejay & rely on her research, and I do not see her “call” here as conflicting with Blink at all.
But I can’t envision a suspect once or twice removed from a precipitating immigrant yardman, however buff, has the exquisite abstract thinking skills nor expert computer prowess (nor the maybe dating someone in neighborhood piece) to be our SZ.
oops. “foundering” mcso.
too many fish dinners here.
where’s that civil suit answer?
not quite 5 pm in Portland?
@ Lyla imo it’s impossible to categorize Brown w/o a careful psych records review (records being confidential) and fresh interviews with patient & signif others, but imo (though not having read all the stuff on him posted here), he likely has some sort of schizoaffective disorder with (unmedicated) a complex delusional system that involves the young and has sexual elements which he acts out when unsupervised & unmedicated. He is chronic and needs to be in State mental hospital in perpetuity imo and get his meds by shot. That’s my cavalier lay opinion not having done the records review.
(snipped) Blink, What type of predator would Brown be as far as motivation is concerned? I recall your opinion in Kyron’s case as a “sexually motivated crime”.
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(snipped) Their are no absolutes, but his history is not one of an abductor who is an organized offender.
I can say that I am clueless as to what idiot thought this man could merge in society with this record and likely psyche background. I think he has a juvie record that is sealed, for sure.
B”
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A nut case. Not mentally fit to live outside of prison walls. I hope he never walks the streets again, ever.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/07/rookie_portland_police_officer.html#incart_river_default
this former LE needs to see Rosenthal to file a righteous contingency case,
I recall a well-respected expert witness who very clearly and unambiguously lectured me on polygraph protocol. One key point: You cannot test more than one or two questions per session.
More important, you would never get a defense attorney to go along with this “offer” because of the error rate for reliability on polygraphs. If Terri Horman took the deal, tested in good faith, but was not cleared, whatever information was conveyed could potentially give law enforcement an advantage as to identifying
sources (other than fruit of the poisonous tree) to build a case against Ms. Horman for whatever anyone could cobble together for charges.
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http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/06/11/kyron-horman-missing-case-breaking-news-remains-believed-to-be-human-located-off-sauvie-island/comment-page-19/#comment-1936372
Blink wrote: (snipped)
1. The state should proffer a deal to drop any potential mfh charges if she agrees to take a polygraph of no more than 10 questions that are strictly related to Kyron’s disappearance, and it should be conducted by the FBI. She must achieve a no deception result.
Fave Counselor- I respectfully disagree in part.
1. Part of the “advice” for the state to proffer is based on my feeling that potential mfh charges are all they think they have, and suspect TH because of the premise if one would be willing to “off” their husband, one would be willing to do the same with a non-bio child. I personally disagree with that theory on it’s face value, but I recall Kaine himself saying LE thought the two were linked, but he was not sure, or words to that effect. So while the poly may never happen I believe it would be seen as an olive branch and start a dialog potentially. Only the state knows how strong the mfh case is, and considering a gj has been suspended twice and she has not been indicted, I say that speaks volumes.
2. I never used the words clear her. I said a completed test showing NO DECEPTION.
3. She already failed one (presumably), they know what those questions are/were, I can’t see her exposing anything “new”.
4. The pre-interview itself largely determines the questions and the order of same for comparison which can be anywhere from 30 minutes to 2 hours depending on the intent of the exam, which in this case would be “incident based” ( ie: did she have anything to do with Ky’s disappearance and/or know where he is) two questions would not even cover name and address and I doubt be enough to compare to baseline, but it is not unheard of in security positions or those with clearance.
5. If she knows something, she would never take it anyway. Houze is known for polygraphing clients pre-retainer. I can’t say he did in her case, but it would surprise me if he did not. One of the BOC editors is a trained and licenesed polygrapher.
B
Ex-wife criticizes handling of sexual predator’s case
http://www.registerguard.com/web/newslocalnews/28374006-41/brown-accused-case-prison-adam.html.csp
yoohoo Lea: When is TMH response due to Young civil suit?
@ Rose – I’ve been watching the news for a response. As we have seen Houze work so far, it makes me think he won’t call a news conference or send the media any copies of his filing.
So I’m assuming even if he filed already, we would have to wait until the local media people asked for a copy from the court records and decided to print it. I have no idea if I could just walk in off the street, so to speak, and ask for something like that. I guess I should ask.
Bottom line – I didn’t expect to see anything on the last day due even if he filed a response, but I also don’t know if he is actually required to file anything unless he wants to object to the suit (if he found grounds to) or to petition for something. If he thinks she’s innocent and there is no way to prove otherwise, maybe she’d be better off to go through the suit and see if they can find out what really happened even if she persists in taking the 5th. That’s one really BIG “IF”!
If Terri and her attorneys do not respond to this civil lawsuit, what happens? The court finds Desiree the prevailing party. Terri has no job, no income. So what happens next? Would the DA be able to bring some kind of charges against her based on the findings of the civil suit? As you can tell, I have no idea how this works.
Rudy had the smarts to have a portion of his hard drive encrypted. Did he do the work himself, or have someone who did it for him? That, IDK.
There is a free way to learn how to encrypt a hard drive. That is by following instructions available over the internet.
As GraceInTheHills said once before, you take your “profile” and set it aside while you investigate. You don’t use it as an absolute roadmap. We don’t know for sure just how much computer expertise was required for SZ to be where he was on June 4. My guess is, not much. Nor much required to have gotten away with his crime. So far.