Kyron Horman Missing Case Breaking News: Remains Believed To Be Human Located Off Sauvie Island
Sauvie Island, Oregon-There are unconfirmed reports that a teenage boy fishing off of Sauvie Island located a human skull, and potentially other human body parts.
Update 1: As referenced on KOIN, a teenage fisherman believes he snagged a scalp with human hair attached, which he originally thought was horse hair. Columbia County detectives cordoned off the scene last evening and MCSO dive teams entered the water but found nothing. The possible “hair” was sent for testing.
Multnomah County Sheriff Office will not comment on the find, or confirm whether their office has facilitated the removal of same, or forwarded any items to the medical examiner for testing.
Following the disappearance of Kyron Horman, Sauvie Island has been the subject of repeated searchers for the missing Skyline second grader with no results.
It is also the former home of a man considered to be Federal fugitive following a confrontation with a Lincoln City officer with nearly fatal results. Officer Steven Dodds was able to return to duty after extensive rehabilitation.
Durham was a Sauvie Island resident for over 6 years and a volunteer fire fighter until he was removed from duty 6 months prior to the shooting.
David Durham’s dog was recovered injured following what appeared to be an accident in the suspects vehicle and is being cared for by a friend of the family. Mr. Durham has not been seen since his vehicle was recovered in the bay town of Waldport, Oregon.
Please check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates to this breaking story.
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Futureman! Great to see your post! He said “hair”, insert Beevis and Butthead giggle!
Thanks erose! That would be very interesting……
This whole deal seems to add more mystery to this case
I tend to wonder more about if they have located DAD
Rather than Kyron
But it wouldn’t be a surprise if we never hear another word about this
10 hairs ?
nate0419 says:
June 12, 2012 at 10:45 am
I am confused, everyone knows that Kim Holm is/was a soccer coach, what does this have to do with Kyron’s disapperance?
B
Lucy Reeder Rd, Reeder Rd & Sauvie Island Rd are very close to each other
http://mappery.com/map-of/Sauvie-Island-tourist-map
Again, what is the connection to Kyron’s disappearance?
B
There was no scalp attached,” Columbia County Sheriff Jeff Dickerson told KGW. “We asked for help from the Multnomah County Sheriff’s dive team, and they arrived a little after 8:30 p.m. They went into the water around 9 p.m. and searched the area for about an hour and a half. They could find nothing.”
http://www.nwcn.com/news/oregon?fId=158462685&fPath=/home&fDomain=10202
“Three fishermen had been out near the Gilbert River Boat Ramp ramp Sunday night when one of their lines got snagged. When they reeled the line in there was a clump of hair caught around the weight.
There were about 10 strands of light-brown hair, about five inches long, according to one of the fishermen, Steve Klinger. He said they weren’t sure what to do about the catch, but they decided to call 911.”
@Lauren,
Especially if the Spicher’s had property on SI in the search area. The comment itself looks to have been rejected because of a potential ethnic slur, not due to the question or intended content.
@cd
I missed your post. After seeing the link, what do you think?
I’ll bet if I went fishing right now in “my” river and called 911 because I found hair (human, I think? about ten strands) on my line, I would get a big fat fine for wasting LE’s time.
At least.
B
Oh, and then I’m sure the dive team would be dispatched immediately. In fact, I think all fisher-persons should BOLO for any hair, suspicious or otherwise, turn it over to the police for investigation, who can submit it to the crime lab for testing.
When is this county going to let a ray of sunshine in to this investigation. They might actually learn something that way. JMO.
I have a proposed answer in my update piece, not sure how well received it will be.
B
While finding ten strands of hair in the water seems insignificant, what raises my eyebrows is that all ten strands were together.
Something was holding that hair together in the water. If not a scalp, then what?
Stray hair doesn’t land in the water and stay together. Unless it’s tangled in a clump or attached by some means.
A hairband accidentally dropped in the water might have ten strands of hair tangled around it but there was no indication that a hair-tie was discovered with the hair.
A discarded hair brush would keep hair strands together. Could the fishing hook have attached to a hair brush and dislodged some of the hair?
It’s also possible that stray hair might accumulate in the water if something is creating a “trap”. What’s interesting is that only one type of hair (brown) and length (5 inches) was caught by the fisherman’s hook. If the hook had dislodged hair from a trap, wouldn’t it have captured hair from more than one head?
I think the call to 911 was justified, even for just ten strands of hair.
@erose
Slur? I didn’t see one in the intended post.
Either way, I am still very interested in this suggestion, but have had no luck thus far in attempting to verify its claims.
Jmo
I dont know all the answers about what was found (the hair) if there is more info that hasnt been released or not but it seems to me that the major difference between this fishermans find “ten strands of hair” off of Sauvie Island is a great deal different than just any fisherman finding 10 strands any place else- this is after all the Island that was searched over and over again after little Kyrons disappearance-
Perhaps there is nothing more than the ten strands of hair IDK but I am thankful that LE is checking it out regardless- because to do anything less would be wrong given the prior searches etc.
AJMO
It was a syllable in the name Spicher. The down side of computer screening. Why I broght it up is I don’t think the news source had a problem with the question that was being asked. I haven’t tried real hard, but have had no luck either. I’m thinking maternal families are at play and we can’t just google Spicher and Durham, darn it.
Lauren says:
June 12, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Some of us really appreciate the messenger. Good luck with the others.
erose says:
June 12, 2012 at 7:06 pm
When is this county going to let a ray of sunshine in to this investigation. They might actually learn something that way. JMO.
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I have a proposed answer in my update piece, not sure how well received it will be.
B
Lawdy, many thanks. There is some sort of cosmic shift going in with breaks in cases so I hope you are right.
B
“I’ll bet if I went fishing right now in “my” river and called 911 because I found hair (human, I think? about ten strands) on my line, I would get a big fat fine for wasting LE’s time.” (erose)
“At least.” (blink)
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Blink, am I missing your point? Are you saying that the call to police for finding ten strands of what appears to be human hair and a subsequent dive search is so ridiculous that there must be more to the report that was not revealed?
Or are you saying that the call to police for such a seemingly insignificant reason is just plain silly and that the subsequent response from police is even more ridiculous?
I believe that people should be encouraged to call police if they find something that just doesn’t seem right. No matter how small or insignificant it may seem. It’s LE’s job to weed through the stuff and determine what is significant and what is not. Isn’t it better to have too many tips than not enough?
I just think of how a little spot of DNA could solve a case, and if people are made to feel that their reports are insignificant then we risk missing the important information. And a body may remain at the bottom of the river forever.
Something made that fisherman feel that the hair on his hook was not right. Whether it was the tug on his line that was required to dislodge his hook from underwater, or the way the hair appeared, something triggered a feeling that his find was suspicious.
I believe there has to be more to it to both necessitate a 911 call and the response it got.
B
@ Malty – I agree, I wouldn’t be surprised if we never hear about this hair again. It seems to be a story about nothing. Maybe Blink in right and there’s more to and LE is just keeipng quiet.
@ mosaic – There’s plenty of reason why hair may have ‘clumped’ together. Maybe the water currents made strands of hair get stuck under a rock, stuck to a stick, caught up in plant-life. This hair might not all be from the same person. Just hair that floated around until it it got caught up some where. 10 strands of hair is not 911 worthy…in my opimion.
If there’s not more to this story, then I would hope LE would offer an explanation as to what they seemed urgent enough to send a dive team.
Lea, Blink. Can anything move this cold case along?
Is Bob O’Donnell still lead detective?
I fear I see Desiree’s case as
1) the 5th,
2) a circus (which Borderlines that will please, I won’t venture to guess),
3) the plaintiff’s litigating attorneys’ retirement security (big payout if on contingency).
Do you think this particular litigation can illuminate any facts not known to MCSO?
Was something going on with Kyron in his spacing out phase that he wanted to tell a family member about, but didn’t (backed out of the room)? Thinking of Sandusky’s boys. Could it relate timing-wise to James’ departure (his neighborhood psychological protector left )? to his impending summer move to Medford? to school happenings as the year was ending (bullying)?
@Lauren. The slur was the word “Spic”
which is what a computer program read
in part of Spicher’s name. It’s in the beginning of the kickback
maybe someone was tying homemade flies crudely
Blink, if Kaine opted not to crack this open by June 4 with a suit, doesnt get a professional advisor, doesnt go to media & insist on a transfer to PPB or FBI, how can anything at all be done? Only way is a GAL for Kyron and the involvement of a reputable Missing Child Org as media advocates? could Terri insist on a GAL for Kyron too in the divorce action?
I welcome your ideas, just impatient, sorry.
The Sandusky thing makes me realize what Kyron couldve gone thru postabduction
As suggested by others in earlier posts…whatever was found was most likely attached to something to attract such interest. A scalp is not likely after this much time. Duct tape would be a valid guess…
I think if the “find” is indeed significant, MCSO will let the cat out of the bag enventually. The findings may not be related to Kyron tho. I can only imagine what Kyron’s family is thinking and I can barely go there…
21. rollermonkey says:
June 13, 2012 at 11:55 am
As suggested by others in earlier posts…whatever was found was most likely attached to something to attract such interest. A scalp is not likely after this much time. Duct tape would be a valid guess…
@ rollermonkey. Or perhaps to a rope or a weighted item, if not duct tape. Or if the fisherman’s line snagged on something and in the struggle to get the line back it came out with hair . . . then a dive would be consistent with that information. JMOO.
Prayers for Kyron every day.
I didn’t mean this hair was not important really just that everything in this case seems to be hushed up or disappears in time
Living in the area, I’d have to agree with others who stated that there has to be more to it than just 10 strands of hair. I’ve fished these rivers my entire life and I can’t count how many times I’ve had to pull something off my line. I don’t even know how you can see 10 strands of hair on a line. Especially 10 strands that come up, out of the water. Most often when you’re disengaging the line, bringing it up to get whatever gunk off, it typically falls off on its own. To not only disengage the line, bring it up, then find 10 strands of hair that cause you to call 911? There was more to it.
I’ve fished shoes, clothes, all sorts of things out of the river. So for this person to call 911, with others present who apparently agreed it was worth calling about? Especially if this is a teen boy. I’m not trying to stereotype, but what teen boy do you know that fishes something out of the river (10 strands of hair, really?) then takes the initiative to call 911? I don’t know ANY. There was more to it than just hair. Nothing else makes any sense at all. I’m not saying it’s necessarily related to this case, but there was something that set off a teen boys’ hinky meter, and that’s not just hair.
Much more than hair.
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Sauvie Island, Oregon-There are unconfirmed reports that a teenage boy fishing off of Sauvie Island located a human skull, and potentially other human body parts.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/06/11/kyron-horman-missing-case-breaking-news-remains-believed-to-be-human-located-off-sauvie-island/comment-page-2/#comment-1915356
FWIW, I did a pretty good genealogy makeup on the Spicher family and could find no connection to the Durhams. I will look again though.
I have always thought that when James moved it was hard for Kyron
And maybe an opportunity for a perp to make a move on him
Then even if Dede and DAD were some how related
Would it make any difference
Unless they were close and seeing each other
Since you are looking, I found this last night. A branch I was not aware of. You are probably further ahead in your research.
http://obits.oregonlive.com/obituaries/oregon/obituary.aspx?n=dickie-lou-martin&pid=152280345&fhid=10083
concerned says:
June 13, 2012 at 2:12 pm
FWIW, I did a pretty good genealogy makeup on the Spicher family and could find no connection to the Durhams. I will look again though.
Exactly. I have wondered if DAD was landscaping with DDS on June 4, related or not.
Malty says:
June 13, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Then even if Dede and DAD were some how related
Would it make any difference
Unless they were close and seeing each other
erose says:
June 12, 2012 at 5:55 pm
@cd
I missed your post. After seeing the link, what do you think?
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I did some google searches on DAD and Dede being related and the only comments I found about this were on SM and it wasn’t even discussed there for very long. So I’m thinking its just another rumor/speculation that brought up but was never proven to be true.
If anyone remembers Dede’s aunt’s name maybe there is some connection there
For the record, I feel this is a red herring. No relation.
B
I have always wonder at Dede coming out of the court house with an attitude
Why she wasn’t shook up and upset
Beyond that I kind of tend to forget her
I have always had the feeling the person who lured Kyron out of the building was a young person…..like a teenager. Your thoughts of James moving out being hard on Kyron sort of dovetail into my thoughts.
Two reasons I feel this way are 1.) “cool electric one” sounds like something a teenager would say rather than an adult. & 2.) This person seems to have blended in very well. A strange man may raise some eyebrows, a teenager would probably be assumed to be someone’s older sibling.
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Malty says:
June 13, 2012 at 2:18 pm
I have always thought that when James moved it was hard for Kyron
And maybe an opportunity for a perp to make a move on him
I know that comments aren’t ‘closed’ on older articles, so I wasn’t sure where to post this – apologies if this should go somewhere else.
There are so many questions. I went back and was reading through some CNN transcripts and some older news articles I had saved, and came across a few things that refreshed my memory, that we’ve heard a million times, but with a different light shed on them. I also found some things that sound like confirmations, although I’m interested to know (if possible) if these were misstatements – I’ve researched some of these – but there is SO much information out there. I thought I’d share some of these refreshers / statements in hopes of either confirming some answers, or clarifying misstatements.
I believe that having the correct information can help in closing and opening doors, and I hope one of them leads to sweet Ky.
Here were some of the things I found that sparked my noggin – I’m posting it in a few different posts so that it doesn’t turn into the longest post ever(I inserted an* at points I found interesting, or was hoping to clarify, and [ ] for identifying people)
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Link –
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html?mobRedir=false
SNIP
In February, ** Terri sent ** James to Roseburg to live with his maternal grandparents.
** “I was on a business trip when she made that decision,” Kaine said. “She called me on my first day (in California) and said they had gotten into a fight. She couldn’t handle it anymore. She was going to call his dad to talk about other options.” **
Kaine said he didn’t want James to move out, but it wasn’t his decision.
James, who flashes an easy grin and trades quips with his stepmother, Angela Rockwood, said he took the move in stride.
“It didn’t bother me,” he said. “Me and my mom moved around a lot, and I came down in summers anyway.”
SNIP
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-It sounds to me like James is confirming that it was Terri that sent him down to Roseburg. (I know a lot of people had asked about that).
2 of 4
Same article
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html?mobRedir=false
SNIP
Still, no one said they could imagine that a woman [Terri] who has devoted so much of her life to children could have been involved in his disappearance.
“I would agree with that statement up until a point in time,” said Kaine Horman, her 36-year-old estranged husband, who has filed for divorce and obtained a restraining order against her. ** “I know a lot of things now that I didn’t before. ** Now, I think there is a huge problem. I don’t know what she’s not capable of at this point.”
SNIP
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Transcript from JVM: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1011/22/ijvm.01.html
SNIP
[KAINE] HORMAN: ** There`s a lot of things that we`ve found out or are finding out that were happening during the time that we were together that they`re just shocking. ** They are. And some of those behaviors, some of those events are, yes, things you don`t even see them coming.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Was there one moment where you suddenly looked at her and said, oh, my God, and then chills and goose bumps just invaded your body and you said, “Oh, my god, the person I`m living with, that I share my bed with, I believe might have something to do with my child`s disappearance?”
[KAINE] HORMAN: Yes. Those were all events or times that occurred after he was missing already. And during those weeks that followed, that process we went through, the investigative process, it`s — let`s face it. It`s a grueling process and it`s your ability as a parent or family member to be ruled out, to be ruled out as a suspect, to be ruled out as having any involvement with whatever has happened. And you have every ability to work with them, to clear yourself.
And as soon as that started to go south, as soon as she was refusing to cooperate, lots of suspicion arose, and I — I stood by her as long as I could until I couldn`t stand by her anymore. Then we had to leave for our own safety. And I think that we did everything that we could. I mean we — there was other people who stood by her as long as they could as well, until we just got to the point where the behaviors didn`t match what we thought was going on.
And, yes, those were definitely either goose bumps or just those twinges in the intuition that say, ok, enough is enough. We`re kind of past the point of being reasonable in our support here. We need to take a different path.
SNIP
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Different JVM episode:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1107/21/ijvm.01.html
SNIP
VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s a difficult question, but what do you think has happened to your precious boy?
[DESIREE] YOUNG: **I didn`t think for a second that Terri could have ever done any harm to my son.**
I know differently now, and it`s further reinforced a year later, we know way too many details about Terri and what she`s been doing and what she was doing prior to Kyron going missing, and everything about her personality just screams to me that we know that she hates Kyron, just hates him. And we see ** a lot ** of writing from her communicating that she did not like him and did not want him in her life.
SNIP
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Some of these just gave me the chills b/c they reminded me of Gates’ statement about having knowledge of things that they did not have before.
I was also reminded, JMO, and I think it’s easy to not think about – when Kyron went missing, Kaine and Terri were not in a divorce ‘battle’. I see a lot of people saying things like “well of course he’s slandernig her, he’s divorcing her, etc.” but I had to stop and remember – people weren’t saying any of these things the first week or so, because they weren’t a couple that was divorcing at that time. Sure, there were likely problems at home that we don’t know about, but it sure sounds like there were problems that even people living in that house didn’t know about.
3 of 4
JVM Show:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1107/21/ijvm.01.html
SNIP
[DESIREE] YOUNG: ** above everything, above punishment or justice for what`s been done, we just want answers ** We just want Kyron home. So, you know, above everything else, that`s all we want.
SNIP
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Her statement about ‘above everything else, we want answers’ helped confirm, IMO, what many (myself included) believe this lawsuit is really about’.
Finally, 4 of 4
JVM Show:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1107/21/ijvm.01.html
SNIP
[DESIREE] YOUNG: I think for the most part they have been really diligent about covering everything possible out there. ** We`ve ruled out every other person that was even involved at the school that day or not involved at the school that day, so we`ve narrowed all of that down **. There`s been ** tons ** of electronic correspondence from Terri specifically.
SNIP
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I’m curious about Desiree’s statement regarding everyone else known at the school that day being cleared? I know this has been brought up, but I have not been able to find a firm confirmation – have any of you?
Sorry for the long posts today, and a HUGE thank you in advance to anyone that has any clarifying information. I just wanted to get it out there. This little guy needs to come home.
If that is her quote, it either preceeded information she had, or she is omitting same.
B
@ Malty says:
June 13, 2012 at 5:11 pm
I have always wonder at Dede coming out of the court house with an attitude
Why she wasn’t shook up and upset
Beyond that I kind of tend to forget her
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Did she take the fifth? I don’t remember. Maybe they didn’t question her for some reason? All I remember about her is the text messaging between TH and MC. TH was texting about DDS staying with her and saying she walking around with only a thong on. Ohhh my…can’t even go there.
First you, then Blink. Good enough for me. Moving on.
erose says:
June 12, 2012 at 5:55 pm
If I missed something I know you will tell me. Long Day.
How do I do a virtual twizzler offering?
B
Couldn’t they check the DNA from the hair to see if it is a match for Kyron or DAD?
I have been fishing many times and can say that there is moss in the water that resembles hair, have had to get it off my lures many times and more than 10 strands. If these folks fish a lot they know the difference between normal water items and something like human hair. 5 inches is not really that long, my son had had hair longer than that a few times even when it is shaved into a ceasar hair cut it is still a couple inches long..so I’m guessing there may be something to this. I will have to go back and look at Kyrons pic to see if I can surmise his length of hair on the day he went missing. And as another poster pointed out once the scalp shrinks it will seem longer as if it grew after someone dies. I do wish they would find Kyron, I am so sick of people getting away with murdering others because they get to have the law on their side. When will we ever have victims rights?
Correction:
First you, then Blink. Good enough for me. Moving on.
cd says:
June 13, 2012 at 3:37 pm
OK I checked the picture, no way would it be his..his hair was way short. Unless it does continue to grow after death..
Blink – Thanks for the response! This was July of 2011, and I’m guessing they would’ve already known about SZ. My thoughts were that Desiree maybe meant everyone “known” at the school was cleared, and that’s what I was curious about. Well, that and of course I’m curious if that statement would’ve changed now, almost a year later. I’m guessing by your response, the answer would be yes..
@blink says:
If that is her quote, it either preceeded information she had, or she is omitting same.
B
In response to: [DESIREE] YOUNG: I think for the most part they have been really diligent about covering everything possible out there. ** We`ve ruled out every other person that was even involved at the school that day or not involved at the school that day, so we`ve narrowed all of that down **. There`s been ** tons ** of electronic correspondence from Terri specifically.
SNIP
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I’m curious about Desiree’s statement regarding everyone else known at the school that day being cleared? I know this has been brought up, but I have not been able to find a firm confirmation – have any of you?
As I said, if that is her quote, I can tell you that she already knew. I think it was interpretable, and she did not mean to omit information, with the exception that she may have been asked not to reveal it.
B
Dede’s Aunts property was thoroughly searched. I also don’t think there is any connection to the case. Her Aunt passed away a year ago from complications of diabetes.
@Blink – Gotcha! Thanks for clarifying : )
@erose @rose
Wow, sorry I totally missed that. That makes sense now.
After living with 11 girls in college (not a sorority) sharing 2 bathrooms, let me tell you the disgusting hair that collects in the drain had us constantly pulling it out and using draino. Bathroom cleaning duty was a despised, dreaded task. Clumps of hair might be gross, but there is no way strands of hair alone would lead to this type of interest from mcso. Something the fisherman snagged concerned him enough that he felt compelled to call it in.
Makes me wonder what was really found.
Jmo
Just you shutting the door on the rumor about DAD and DDS being related.
OMG re: twizzlers, I know this is not what you meant, but you can start in Hershey, PA., irony as it is, and use your spidey senses, lol.
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erose says:
June 13, 2012 at 6:07 pm
If I missed something I know you will tell me. Long Day.
How do I do a virtual twizzler offering?
B
Malty says:
June 13, 2012 at 5:03 pm
If anyone remembers Dede’s aunt’s name maybe there is some connection there
For the record, I feel this is a red herring. No relation.
B