Kyron Horman Missing Case Breaking News: Remains Believed To Be Human Located Off Sauvie Island
Sauvie Island, Oregon-There are unconfirmed reports that a teenage boy fishing off of Sauvie Island located a human skull, and potentially other human body parts.
Update 1: As referenced on KOIN, a teenage fisherman believes he snagged a scalp with human hair attached, which he originally thought was horse hair. Columbia County detectives cordoned off the scene last evening and MCSO dive teams entered the water but found nothing. The possible “hair” was sent for testing.
Multnomah County Sheriff Office will not comment on the find, or confirm whether their office has facilitated the removal of same, or forwarded any items to the medical examiner for testing.
Following the disappearance of Kyron Horman, Sauvie Island has been the subject of repeated searchers for the missing Skyline second grader with no results.
It is also the former home of a man considered to be Federal fugitive following a confrontation with a Lincoln City officer with nearly fatal results. Officer Steven Dodds was able to return to duty after extensive rehabilitation.
Durham was a Sauvie Island resident for over 6 years and a volunteer fire fighter until he was removed from duty 6 months prior to the shooting.
David Durham’s dog was recovered injured following what appeared to be an accident in the suspects vehicle and is being cared for by a friend of the family. Mr. Durham has not been seen since his vehicle was recovered in the bay town of Waldport, Oregon.
Please check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates to this breaking story.
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http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1207/120711eugene.htm
July 11, 2012
Eugene, OR
Oregon man sentenced for possessing violent images of child exploitation
Man and co-defendant together had more than 16,000 illegal photos
EUGENE, Ore. – A 48-year-old Winston, Ore., man was sentenced to 78 months in federal prison Tuesday for possessing child pornography, following an undercover investigation by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI).
Douglas Allen Brown pleaded guilty to the charges in April 2011. Computer evidence seized by HSI special agents at Brown’s home showed that he possessed more than 400 images of child pornography. Brown was discovered by undercover HSI special agents sharing child pornography over the Internet, which led the search of his home.
According to court documents, Brown admitted knowingly possessing digital storage media that contained visual depictions of minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct. He also admitted the images portrayed sadistic and masochistic conduct and other depictions of violence of prepubescent children.
In the search of Brown’s home, special agents found that Brown’s roommate and co-defendant, Michael Bruce Hays, possessed more than 16,000 illicit photos and in excess of 300 videos. Hays pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography in September 2009 and is currently serving a 10-year prison sentence.
Upon release from custody, Brown will serve a 10-year period of supervised release. During his supervised release, he must abide by a number of conditions which include mental health counseling, restricted access to computers and the Internet, and registration as a sex offender.
The case was prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Oregon.
As part of Operation Predator, HSI encourages the public to report suspected child predators and any suspicious activity through its toll-free hotline at 1-866-DHS-2ICE or by completing its online tip form. Both are staffed around the clock by investigators. Suspected child sexual exploitation or missing children may be reported to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, an Operation Predator partner, at 1-800-843-5678 or http://www.cybertipline.com.
Led by U.S. Attorneys’ Offices and the Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section in the Justice Department’s Criminal Division, Project Safe Childhood marshals federal, state and local resources to better locate, apprehend and prosecute individuals who exploit children as well as to identify and rescue victims. For more information about Project Safe Childhood, please visit http://www.projectsafechildhood.gov or call the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Oregon and ask to speak with the coordinator.
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For those who don’t know, Winston, OR is right next to Roseburg. There’s a large article in the local paper about this creep, his past, etc., unfortunately one has to subscribe on line in order to link it. I only subscribe to the hard copy, but here’s the link.
http://www.nrtoday.com/ARTICLE/20120712/NEWS/120719936/-1/RSS
Federal child porn case puts Winston man in prison
CHRISTIAN BRINGHURST
The News-Review
“German and U.S. investigators collaborate to collect evidence”.
The article mentions the pornography was distributed over a peer-to-peer file sharing network called eDonkey2000.
It goes on to say that both these guys were convicted of sex crimes while in the military. Brown was arrested in February 2000 for sexually assaulting a child and was sentenced to 12 years confinement and a reduction in rank and a general court-martial and dishonorable discharge. The other guy, Hays was sentenced in 2004 to 9 1/2 years confinement, etc. Brown’s case was part of the nationwide initiative called Project Safe Childhood that began in 2006. The Feds subpoenaed Charter Communications and traced the IP to the home where the two of them were living together in Winston, where the Southern Oregon High Tech Crimes Force found the images in 2008.
So, what I don’t get is WHY were these guys out in the first place? Brown wrote a letter to the court and in it he says “I myself was sexually abused as a child.” “He further says his ‘curiosity’ about child pornography was short-lived and now nonexistent.” and that he’ll never view it again and wishes it could all be removed from the internet.
Yeah, right. There’s a lot more in the article if anyone can get it.
It would be interesting to see how many, or if there are any, sealed juvie records among the Skyline neighborhood folks, including DAD and even KH and male family members.
I doubt there is any way to ever know or find out, but it might lead LE to a true perp if they are in that Skyline population.
I have always wondered if The BadGuy is still living close by, reading here (or elsewhere) and waiting to pounce again.
lyla says:
July 12, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Blink wrote: I can say that I am clueless as to what idiot thought this man could merge in society with this record and likely psyche background. I think he has a juvie record that is sealed, for sure.
B
I think that if you file bankruptcy that filing dismisses any civil suits? If that is indeed true maybe that is Terrys plan?
Also @lyla I had said this earlier but Oregon has very relaxed laws in regards to sex offenders….makes me sick!
Just have to share this with all. Kyron, a little man with suspenders and a tie holding a can of Coke.
https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264
@Beejay. The thing that stimulates my brain is WHY a/the profiler added that computer sophisticate piece, because as you say, doesn’t take any gray matter to correspond with TMH or to look up Skyline’s website.
I think it’s something more (sophisticated child porn perusal behind firewalls for example–computer based SO stuff) and that’s why ICE was at ground zero starting gate. Maybe they’d even been tracking someone who threatened/promised such a “glorious” abduction & with advance high signs had let him slip thru their fingers. maybe he’d sent taunting messages: double dare you to stop me. Whoknows? Cause LE, all, is in CYA mode.
Oregon is extending the list of mandatory reporters once this passes. I think it should include reporting adult domestic violence, but I didn’t see any open discussion about the bill.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Penn-State-scandal-prompts-Ore-legislation/qfIqs-y-j0yKXgJ3NPTiiA.cspx
Also – the Nike story (Nike is based here in Beaverton) –
http://www.katu.com/news/business/Nikes-history-of-loyalty-tested-by-Joe-Paterno-case-162381556.html
In November, Nike issued a statement saying it was “disturbed” by the situation, but that its “relationship with Penn State remains unchanged.”
Then in January, Knight earned a standing ovation by being the only speaker at Paterno’s memorial ceremony to defend the coach, saying if there was a villain to be found “it lies in the investigation, not in Joe Paterno’s response to it.”
On Thursday, the facts overtook the situation, leaving Nike without much of a choice.
Perhaps the most remarkable element of Thursday’s developments at Nike was the sense of remorse — or maybe regret — coming from Knight.
His defense of Paterno, I’m certain, stemmed from that intense loyalty Nike shows toward its athletes and partners. It seems clear now that, like the rest of the world, Knight was betrayed by that loyalty.
On Thursday, Knight was left crestfallen.
“Throughout Joe Paterno’s career, he strived to put young athletes in a position to succeed and win in sport but most importantly in life. Joe influenced thousands of young men to become better leaders, fathers and husbands,” Knight said. “According to the investigation, it appears Joe made missteps that led to heartbreaking consequences. I missed that Joe missed it, and I am extremely saddened on this day.”
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Maybe, hopefully, public consequences will increase and accountability will be demanded in the future.
http://www.examiner.com/article/fbi-sends-more-bau-agents-for-kyron-horman-case-did-profilers-help-before
Something of a mom and pop nature, and a weakness, of Young’s suit is now visible.
She, or Rosenthal’s shop, can’t get Portland press coverage of the suit’s progress.
Which was one of the few reasons to file….to get press.
The press in Portland should’ve been all over this: the responsive pleading deadline, the silence.
One might as well be reading the paper in McAlester OK.
Meg says:
July 13, 2012 at 2:57 pm
I think that if you file bankruptcy that filing dismisses any civil suits? If that is indeed true maybe that is Terrys plan?
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I looked up legal information about this topic. The easiest to read is at the link below. From what I read, I do not believe Terri could automatically escape a civil judgment by filing bankruptcy. This assumes there IS a judgment. Of course, the judgment wouldn’t happen until the end of the trial. Even if Desiree thought she wouldn’t get a penny for ANY reason, I think she would proceed because that’s not the main purpose of the suit.
(snipped)
“Bankruptcy is a federal proceeding designed to help people, businesses and even municipalities crawl out from under debt and receive a fresh start. Several misconceptions exist regarding which debts are dischargeable and which are not. A civil judgment may or may not be dischargeable depending on the circumstances for the judgment.”
“If a debtor is sued for wrongful death or malicious or willful injury, the debts incurred from these civil lawsuits cannot be discharged. For example, the families of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman obtained a civil judgment against O.J. Simpson. According to the Los Angeles Daily Journal, a jury found that O.J. Simpson “willfully and wrongfully” caused the death of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman. The families were awarded $33.5 million dollars. If O.J. Simpson filed bankruptcy, that debt could not be dischargeable under the relevant bankruptcy code provisions.”
“Claims based in basic negligence are generally dischargeable as are debts incurred from a car accident that did not involve drugs or alcohol. If, for example, a patron slips and falls on a debtor’s property and suffers injuries because the debtor was negligent in some way, the court can allow that type of civil judgment to be discharged.”
Read more: Does Bankruptcy Include Civil Judgments? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/info_7826148_bankruptcy-include-civil-judgments.html#ixzz20YTQukSL
Terri would have to consult a bankruptcy attorney after the suit to see what options she has if she loses. At this point, I can’t think of any way she could avoid the civil suit unless she makes a deal with the DA that is acceptable to Desiree and provides not only information that leads to Kyron and all those who are guilty, but some hard evidence that her information is true, plus some way to show that it is ALL she knows. I hope they are already working on such a deal and that’s why we haven’t heard anything, but I guess that’s wishful thinking.
When I was a kid, I believed that a snapping turtle would bite you and not let go until it thunders. (I admit I still believe it.) Houze may be a workaholic, intelligent, dedicated, and whatever else, but Desiree is, IMO, a snapping turtle – she is not going to let go until she hears that thunder. God bless her.
Most sincerely appreciated.
B
I get that. I respect it. In this situation we disagree and your right, you don’t have information I have, and that is not to say “I know something you don’t know”.
It is to say that without it, you, me or anyone else cannot say absolutely what they would and would not do in a particular situation.
Have you noticed that not a single parent, child or “other” witness has come forward publicly?
There is a reason.
B
Rose says:
July 13, 2012 at 7:05 pm
….WHY a/the profiler added that computer sophisticate piece, because as you say, doesn’t take any gray matter to correspond with TMH or to look up Skyline’s website.
I think it’s something more (sophisticated child porn perusal behind firewalls for example–computer based SO stuff) and that’s why ICE was at ground zero starting gate. Maybe they’d even been tracking someone who threatened/promised such a “glorious” abduction & with advance high signs had let him slip thru their fingers. maybe he’d sent taunting messages: double dare you to stop me. Whoknows? Cause LE, all, is in CYA mode.
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Totally agree, Rose, and it’s one of the reasons I paid attention when all of the child porn freaks and molesters were suddenly apprehended in Oregon and southern WA early to mid 2011. I had always wondered if Kyron’s investigation didn’t trigger some of those arrests.
Gang. Only reason I can think that all walks would not come forward. Or, as Blink says “Not a single parent, child or other witness has come forward publicly.”
Fear for their own lives. A public figure would be vetted out by someone, a minor would be uncovered by someone. Witnesses would talk, town would meet, press would dig, delve and uncover.
Things we wished we didn’t know. Gangs. RS brought the gang in and TH set the stage by making him angry. Now Th is probably hiding in fear for her own life.
Javier, note at wall. Where is RS? His wife and children?
@MockingbirdSings says:
July 13, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Just a thought …
Another way to look @ possible $s is TMH has assets/$ via marriage [as well any assets/$s from her parents]… any of those $s could be attached. [Remember Ron Goldman's family?]
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/09/authorities_search_for_dangero.html
Have we vetted this Ronald Tarver? Mult County has been searching for him since 9/2010. Tampered with his GPS device. Could that have something to do with the stolen GPS on 6/4/2010? Sexually violent dangerous offender. Lived in the Medford Hotel.
Is this guy related (father?) of TH ex husband, Ron Tarver?
Blended in. Grandfather.
T. Ruth says:
July 13, 2012 at 12:49 pm
If Terri and her attorneys do not respond to this civil lawsuit, what happens? The court finds Desiree the prevailing party. Terri has no job, no income. So what happens next? Would the DA be able to bring some kind of charges against her based on the findings of the civil suit? As you can tell, I have no idea how this works.
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If Terri does not answer to the complaint in the civil lawsuit, Desiree will receive a judgement by default and the civil case ends. No charges, nothing else. Terri would live with that judgement hanging over her finances.
Not necessarily- the judge can also dismiss it.
B
Apologies! Tarver versus Tarwater. Funny where the mind goes… apparently Tarwater was picked up in October. However, there are many coincidences with him.
@Blink
re “There is a reason” — any possibility of a gang backing this isolated SZ?
No. 11 – @Blink – re “There is a reason” – is there any knowledge that threats have been made or is it a fear of retaliation?
@ jden says:
July 14, 2012 at 8:44 am
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/09/authorities_search_for_dangero.html
Have we vetted this Ronald Tarver? Mult County has been searching for him since 9/2010. Tampered with his GPS device. Could that have something to do with the stolen GPS on 6/4/2010? Sexually violent dangerous offender. Lived in the Medford Hotel.
Is this guy related (father?) of TH ex husband, Ron Tarver?
Blended in. Grandfather.
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Wrong name “Tarwater”.
Amys Sister says:
July 14, 2012 at 1:14 am
(snipped)”I get that. I respect it. In this situation we disagree and your right, you don’t have information I have, and that is not to say “I know something you don’t know”.
It is to say that without it, you, me or anyone else cannot say absolutely what they would and would not do in a particular situation. ”
Have you noticed that not a single parent, child or “other” witness has come forward publicly?”
There is a reason.
B
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They simply may not have any information to come forward with. It is my belief the one person who saw Kyron that day was specifically looking for him. My opinion only.
I said witnesses. Respectfully, that means they do. And Kyron was seen by dozens of people that day at a minimum. I respect your opinion, and everyone is entitled to one, but to date, I am not aware of a shred of evidence connecting TH to a suspect zero who were seen by eye witnesses. She may be involved, but as I said, at least 2 grand juries were not swayed and they have seen evidence nobody else has.
Crimes can occur without evidence of Nexus- it can happen.
The reason that this case is not being investigated correctly in my opinion is because at 30,000 feet, if all prevailing theories are considered, this child’s disappearance is the largest statistical anomaly in the history of child abduction and/or disappearance.
Fwiw, I believe strongly that if MCSO were to request the FBI handle this case, or either one of Ky’s parents, it would move forward.
B
jden says:
July 14, 2012 at 8:48 am
Apologies! Tarver versus Tarwater. Funny where the mind goes… apparently Tarwater was picked up in October. However, there are many coincidences with him.
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Interesting, I was looking at a RSO named Tarwater in the Celis case. Much younger guy, but for a minute I thought you’d linked the same person. The one I was looking at lived only a couple of miles from the Celis home. Anyway, because much of this pedophile business seems to start with family, I wonder if the two are related.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/06/desiree_young_seeks_10_million.html
Lewis & Clark Law Professor Tung Yin said a judge could put Young’s civil case on hold, as Kaine Horman’s divorce proceeding, has been.
“It might end up in the same sort of black hole of limbo while waiting to see if anything is happening in the criminal case,’’ Yin said. Yet a different judge could conclude that the civil suit should move forward, considering two years have passed and no prosecution or indictment has occurred.
Regardless, Yin said, Young has nothing to lose with the suit.
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Question for the legal minds out there. If Desiree were to sue the school for negligence, instead of Terri Horman, would a judge possibly dismiss or put on hold that case too because of the ongoing investigation?
The legalities of this case are intriguing. I would think a judge would not be able to dismiss a case against the school, because no matter who took Kyron, if it was not one of the persons who were allowed to remove Kyron from that school, then the school was negligent, no matter where Kyron is or what happened to him. In suing the school, wouldn’t that open up the same lines of discovery where Rosenthal could “peel away the layers”?
@Rose says:
July 13, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Interesting choice of words Rose, “glorious” abduction. For some reason reminded me of JW’s letters/posts. Creepy, how he talks about the comparisons to 1977 dancing in the streets and then to the Kennedy assassination in regard to Kyron’s homecoming. Now, here’s a guy who has extreme visions of grandeur. JMO
“Kyrons welcome home party will make the 1977 NBA playoff championship citywide celebration seem like a backyard celebration. I mean it, people will be dancing in the streets and hugging strangers when he comes home.”
http://www.realitychatter.com/t2666-jw-name-removed-initials-only-please
Riverpearl says:
July 14, 2012 at 8:37 am
@MockingbirdSings says:
July 13, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Just a thought …
Another way to look @ possible $s is TMH has assets/$ via marriage [as well any assets/$s from her parents]… any of those $s could be attached. [Remember Ron Goldman's family?]
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I was thinking maybe some of her marital assets could have be attached but i don’t think her parents assets can be a part of the civil suit unless they died and left their estate to Terri .IMO children do not necessarily share in their parents estate while their parents are living even if that are staying in their parents house. I also think that by now her parents would have changed their wills to leave their estate to terri’s son to protect their estate from being part of any civil obligation.
@TRuth. Yes re JW. anyway imo ” glorious” would be how a taunting successful SZ
would experience his feat. Just call MCSO “dinosaurs” to be joisted with (mixing eras deliberately)
cd says:
July 14, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Riverpearl says:
July 14, 2012 at 8:37 am
@MockingbirdSings says:
July 13, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Just a thought …
Another way to look @ possible $s is TMH has assets/$ via marriage [as well any assets/$s from her parents]… any of those $s could be attached. [Remember Ron Goldman's family?]
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I was thinking maybe some of her marital assets could have be attached but i don’t think her parents assets can be a part of the civil suit unless they died and left their estate to Terri .IMO children do not necessarily share in their parents estate while their parents are living even if that are staying in their parents house. I also think that by now her parents would have changed their wills to leave their estate to terri’s son to protect their estate from being part of any civil obligation.
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The first wild thought that popped into my head was: Terri would not allow that. I was thinking she has taken so much from her parents, the thought of handing over all the rest of it to even her son (minus her daughter) would be really difficult for her to accept. But then, I remembered it was just a quick reaction rather than a thoughtful one. I do fear she manipulates them and does not realistically view all the possible consequences.
Blink, Thank you for response. I have a lot of respect for your opinions. What you said about TY makes sense. I also have never doubted Tony’s love for Kyron. The pictures that I’ve seen of them together tell the story. It’s all such a heartbreak. I have just wondered where he stands with this whole mess and why it appears he is remaining in the background even with Desiree’s recent civil case filing.
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Soul Desire says:
July 11, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Snipped
· Why is Tony Young keeping so quiet?
Blink responed: snipped
3. TY is a working detective, and if I were a betting person, knows this case well enough to know as it is, he cant be the one blaming anyone for anything he cannot prove publicly, and stay employed in his field. That said, I have no doubt he loves Kyron as his own.
B
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After this whole local area shake-up and wake –up call over the incident at Wendy’s, I find it even more terrifying that some SZ is bold enough to walk into a school and disappear a child without setting off any alarms until hours later when the poor little guy didn’t show up at the school bus stop.
I wish local LE would get their heads out of their dark places and prove to the local residents that they are qualified for the job. If they’ve botched this case by spending precious time chasing the wrong red squirrel up the tree, then ‘own up to it”. If we can’t shake any more leaves out of the Teri tree, then pick a different one and circle back if need be. IF Terri did set this up or has any level of involvement at all then she deserves to live in confined spaces and I would consider her part “isolated”. But I totally “get“ that who ever removed Kyron from the school is scary and twisted,and that his part IS NOT an issolated event.
If LE still feels strongly that Terri is involved, then what would it hurt to negotiate some sort of deal that includes that she agrees to take another poly specifically related to Kyron’s disappearance with a required result of “no deception”? Where is the FBI with regard to this case? Has their profile changed since 2010?
Snipped from:
July 11, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Blink,
In your opinion . . . what 3 things should LE do right now?
Blink wrote: (snipped)
1. The state should proffer a deal to drop any potential mfh charges if she agrees to take a polygraph of no more than 10 questions that are strictly related to Kyron’s disappearance, and it should be conducted by the FBI. She must achieve a no deception result.
2. MCSO and the DA should request FBI assistance in developing a lead generating campaign by announcing facts in the case that are not public, that confirm the involvement of a male at Skyline on June 4th.
3. They should come clean with any investigative errors as a way to re-set the clock and find this baby so it is not hanging over anyone’s head.
B
(snipped) “The reason that this case is not being investigated correctly in my opinion is because at 30,000 feet, if all prevailing theories are considered, this child’s disappearance is the largest statistical anomaly in the history of child abduction and/or disappearance.
Fwiw, I believe strongly that if MCSO were to request the FBI handle this case, or either one of Ky’s parents, it would move forward.
B”
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What could be the reason(s) neither one of the parents or MCSO have not requested FBI intervention since moving the case forward could possibly solve the crime? Isn’t that the goal of an investigation?
Several witnesses. None of them talking. (except Wendy Furor and Tanner in the beginning, against LE’s wishes)
Yet, many in the community still feel this is an isolated incident and have no fear of their children going to Skyline.
These are two extremes and do not coincide at at all.
If a witness came forward anonymously what is the real danger? There were so many people in the school that morning how would the suspect know which person or people saw him?
UNLESS Kyron was taken while he was with his tour group… then the suspect would know which group of kids saw him.
Still, he would have no idea, if the information was released anonymously, who was releasing the info.
He saw them, it would not be anonymous. Respectfully can we get past the need to be right and into reality? Again, that is not what you said, their was no mention of anonymous, and again, a child if a child were so inclined can’t come forward at all. You do not know who saw him and under what set of circumstances so would that not be critical in making such a decision?
B
I cannot fathom why any parent of a missing child wouldn’t be pushing to have their son found. I would not care how many if not all of the family “skeletons in the closet” came out. Who cares, I am sure some “skeletons” are already known to many. It perplexes me that the Skyline school is getting off “scott-free”. The children that are in their care during a school day are their responsibility. No child should be able to have been taken during a school day. Kyron’s absence during attendance should have been questioned immediately since he was there in the a.m., so that his parents could have been called to clarify his whereabouts. It makes me think that this school district is “dirty”, maybe other things weren’t or aren’t done the way they should be and the children are not their primary concern. I am sure that the police investigated, but were all teachers checked out as well as other district personnel and their families. There is a tie that binds the abductor to this school, but I don’t think it is KH or TH.
the tie that binds the abductor to school.
great thought.
the profile posits possibly “dated someone in area”
any single mothers at Sci Fair with boys of a certain age?
who’ve they dated?
Or, back tracking to TRuth comment, JW did date someone in area.
Elizabeth Smart’s sister saw her sister’s abductor but did not describe him until months later. It wasn’t that she didn’t remember, she couldn’t remember…until she did, fwiw.
Research (Lord, Boudreaux, and Lanning 2001) supports the following child abduction typologies by age:
Elementary and middle-school children (6–14 years) constitute the fourth category. Victimization rates triple for this age, and school-age females are at least three times more likely than males to be abducted and murdered. Sex is the major reason for abduction, usually by a male perpetrator with a history of sexual misconduct, violence, and substance abuse. The abductor may be an acquaintance or a stranger but rarely a family member. With middle-school children, the abductors are mostly likely to be strangers. Schoolyard access, physical maturity, and vulnerability help facilitate these abductions by strangers. Unlike familial abductions, the bodies of these children are usually found unconcealed or only slightly covered.
Family abductions are most frequently motivated by domestic discord and custody disputes. Abducting parents typically fit one of six different profiles.
Profile 1 abductors are family members who have made credible threats in the past and/or have a history of withholding visitation or kidnapping the child. The parent may be unemployed and have no emotional or financial ties to the area. Alternatively, the parent may have divulged plans to abduct the child and have the financial and emotional resources to survive in hiding. The abducting parent may have liquidated assets and borrowed the maximum from all sources.
The Profile 2 abductor is one who believes the other parent is abusing, molesting, or neglecting the child and will continue to do so. Family and friends support the parent in this belief. The allegations of sexual abuse by a parent or stepparent that motivate the noncustodial parent to abduct are frequently unsubstantiated.
The Profile 3 abductor suffers from paranoid delusions, and represents the greatest risk of harm or death to the child. Although these are the smallest percentage of abductors, they have psychotic delusions that the other parent will definitely harm them or the child. They perceive the child not as a separate entity but either as a part of themselves needing rescue or as a part of the other parent, which can lead to murder and suicide.
Profile 4 abductors are severely sociopathic and relatively rare. Characterized by a long history of flagrant violations of the law and contempt for authority, they relate to others in a self-serving, exploitative, and manipulative manner. They feel superior and would have no qualms about abusing or abducting their child and feel they should not be punished for it.
Profile 5 abductors are parents in a mixed-culture family with strong ties to their country of origin and to extended family there. During times of separation or divorce, they feel abandoned in their new culture and wish to return to their ethnic or religious roots to find emotional support and to reconstitute their self-identity. Returning with the child to the family and country of origin is a way of giving the abducting parent’s cultural identity preeminent status in the child’s upbringing.
Profile 6 abductors feel isolated from the judicial system in several different ways. They may be indigent and uneducated without knowledge of custody and abduction laws. They may not be able to afford the court system or have had negative experiences with it. Some parents belong to religious or ethnic groups that hold views about rearing children and custody rights contrary to law. A mother who had a transient, unmarried relationship with the child’s father may be unaware that the father has any rights and may be supported in that belief by her family and friends. Parents who have been the victims of domestic violence and who received no help through the law are also likely abductors ( Johnston et al. 2001).
Kyron’s abductor does not fit any of these profiles. We take the rare case of a child abduction, and cannot fit it in to the known boxes, and we end up with the anomaly. If I am on the right track, then it is unfortunate LE will not admit the mistakes, where the training of local LE would fall short, especially when nine agencies couldn’t find him either.
stranger to stranger sexually motivated abductions/homicides are the single hardest cases to solve.
This type of offender is extremely organized- if this is the profile responsible.
B
This must be a relatively new animal.
@MockingbirdSings says:
July 14, 2012 at 4:21 pm
If -and that is a big IF- TMH & KH do get divorce, there will be division of assets [cash,property,retirement(?)] etc
As we have seen w/OJ, one can move to a state(FL) where a judgement can NOT attach to a house(property) – as well he had money which was kept away from the judgement. (In his mom/relative “name”/holding).
If James is 18y/o or when he is, he could be ‘owner of record’ for anything -car,house,car etc. IMO I see her parents ‘protecting everything’ they would pass on to heir/s – be it TMH &/or James, Kiara etc.
That is why the ‘divorce assets divided’ could/would be a source of $s.
As we have ‘seen’ DY & KH have not been a ‘unit’ since 11/2010. We may never know [no surprise] IF they even discussed the ‘suit in depth prior to filing’.
IMO IF one looks @ KH ‘co-filing’ or ‘filing his own’ suit, it would be ‘another legal bill’ for himself … just do not see him doing … we have all heard him ‘discuss the divorce bill of $100k+’…
IF TMH ever gets a ‘reportable working job/income’ it could be attached …
I just go back to OJ & the Goldman family, they kept close tabs on OJ & were able to attach to ‘his book of how he would of done it -IF- he had done it’.
DY’s suit has ‘gone very silent’ … just as Kyron’s ‘investigation’ has.
KH & TMH divorce IS a separate issue and IMO it staying in limbo ‘works’ for each party. IMO KH gets to ‘control martial assets – house, cars, money, retirement & Kiara.’ IMO TMH does not have to get before a judge -or- get a psych eval etc. It’s as ‘they have jointly agreed to not settle legally their marriage/divorce.’
But before getting ANY cart before the horse — the suit has to get before a Judge, &/or jury. Look how ‘difficult’ it has been for the woman ‘suing’ c. anthony … trying to depo her has been anything but a cake walk.
As much as I want the suit to be before a Judge NOW – the ‘wheels of justice’ seem to be @ or close to a standstill w/re to Kyron.
Prayers for Kyron & his momma.
@d says:
July 14, 2012 at 2:02 pm
oops, would have included you w/my previous post
-but-
just saw yours [I read from bottom up].
Even though her parents are ‘supporting her now’ – I was only speaking of TMH’s parents ‘leaving anything to her in their will’.
Really, one can only wish this suit was ‘fast-tracked’ …
link for my post @ 9:55 pm
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Missing_children.aspx
@BLINK-
… “Fwiw, I believe strongly that if MCSO were to request the FBI handle this case, or either one of Ky’s parents, it would move forward.
B”
With your experience of other ‘missing/abducted/kidnapped’children – as well your classes/education – have you EVER seen parent/s step-back/away from ‘pushing LE/investigation’?
I understand ‘grief/depression’ but to ‘lay all ones eggs in the TMH basket’ …
Some have said, “oh the other Skyline parents should be saying/doing something” – but when the parents of said missing child are standing back — WTH …
I remember way back when you said Jon Benet case, something I too had been thinking … now Kyron’s case is @ 25 months & counting …
IF DY &/or family members reads BOC – what is really stopping a ‘change’ of LE [ie MCSO v FBI]?
[IMO IF a'connection' w/Local LE because of TY working for 'a southern Oregon LE department' is impeding 'a change' it needs to be gotten over. Beating ones head against the 'same brick wall' is NOT getting it done.]
Truly Blink, have you ever seen anything like this?
MCSO has to request the FBI take the case, or their has to be some nexus to an FBI investigation that would warrant them taking jurisdiction- I am confident if that were the case they would have it by now.
Yes, Riverpearl, I have seen it in several cases but out of respect for the families, I am not going to cite them as they are cold and unsolved. I have seen cases where a parent or step-parent was even a suspect for years, to learn that a neighbor or stranger was ultimately responsible through the solid work of a cold case team or linkage to another crime.
I don’t fault any parent for adopting a coping strategy they need to function as constructively as possible and I think it is clear that LE is not updating them because their is nothing to update.
It is strictly my opinion, but I truly believe that without a recovery or nexus to another case this case will never solve. I completely understand that outside of their mutual belief that TH is involved, Kaine and Desiree are at cross purposes- which does not help.
What I do not understand is why the possibility that it was not TH and this was a completely random stranger does not permeate their thoughts. That alternative may be unbearable, but if it is accurrate, then we have a very, very dangerous individual that needs to be caught.
Conversely, I have interviewed a family of a very cold case, and the information was headed toward a sexual predator, and they were so upset at the possibility that the child was not abducted to be raised by some childless well-meaning couple, they told the SA to instruct me never to discuss that possibility with them again. When the SA told them about my research into the case as the background for the “potential theory” and in his personal opinion based on the case evidence I presented the strongest lead the case has had in over 30 years, they were angry with him.
Their are SOOO many variables and emotions going on when a loved one is missing no matter how long, the least of which is not maybe their are worse options then never knowing- to some.
IE: Our Dad would always have been able to protect us from something so evil so that could not have happened. Or, we have spent most of our lives trying to find our sibling to find out he was dead in a few hours- how does that make us look?
Their are way more scenarios I could present that may seem odd to us, but for the most part I find this /these reactions are more self preservation related than anything.
Yes, I brought up the Ramsey case because it is the only case I have ever studied that compares very, very closely to the investigative and prosecutorial strategies of both. Ky’s case needs a Lou Smitt, God rest his soul.
B
@T.Ruth says –
“The legalities of this case are intriguing. I would think a judge would not be able to dismiss a case against the school, because no matter who took Kyron, if it was not one of the persons who were allowed to remove Kyron from that school, then the school was negligent, no matter where Kyron is or what happened to him. In suing the school, wouldn’t that open up the same lines of discovery where Rosenthal could “peel away the layers”?”
Maybe you answered your own question. There would be less to prove, therefore there would be less you would have to peel away. You are right about the school’s responsibility to know where Kyron was or who he left with, but it seems you could prove your case simply by showing that he didn’t leave with Terri or anyone else approved to pick him up.
By the way, I don’t claim to be a “legal mind”, I just enjoy logical thinking like some people enjoy chess or card games – which I don’t because I don’t see a purpose to the ending.
@erose
(snipped) “Elementary and middle-school children (6–14 years) constitute the fourth category. Victimization rates triple for this age, and school-age females are at least three times more likely than males to be abducted and murdered. Sex is the major reason for abduction, usually by a male perpetrator with a history of sexual misconduct, violence, and substance abuse. The abductor may be an acquaintance or a stranger but rarely a family member. With middle-school children, the abductors are mostly likely to be strangers. Schoolyard access, physical maturity, and vulnerability help facilitate these abductions by strangers. Unlike familial abductions, the bodies of these children are usually found unconcealed or only slightly covered.”
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Good info erose. The fact Kyron has not been located is troubling as is Isa Celis, Lisa Irwin, etc. The latest, six year old Sierra Newbold, was found within an hour after she was reported missing. Considering the circumstances surrounding Kyron’s case I’m not convinced he was taken by a total stranger i.e. unbeknownst to family. We cannot be right for the sake of wanting to be right because we really do not have much information which at this point must include all possibilities. It is an ongoing investigation and KH and DY have not once publicly complained or asked to take the investigation to a new level…yet.
by Ramsey similarities, does zero
homicide experience on the part
of both initial detectives fit?
@Riverearl (snipped) “I remember way back when you said Jon Benet case, something I too had been thinking … now Kyron’s case is @ 25 months & counting …”
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The commonality between the two cases…they are both unsolved. JBR was not abducted nor kidnapped and her body was found in the family home…and if Ky’s remains were to be found it would not necessarily prove “who did it”. Closure for the family hopefully.
I’ve been searching the internet for information regarding Rudy’s wife and children.. The only links I can find take me to BOC, Scared Monkey’s etc. I’ve read on various sites that she took her children and fled to Mexico and that there is a warrent out for her arrest, but can’t find any definitive proof of this. The lack of reporting on the “surrounding circumstances” in this case is interesting to me. Terri hired Houze when Rudy stated that Terri tried to hire him to have Kaine murdered. As far as we know there is no “proof” this happened. Due to the fact that Rudy’s statements are so pivotal to this case, you would think that his wife fleeing with her children (and possibly being a warrent out for her) at the time this was all going down, would make for a very interesting article. It all seems so interwoven.
Another similarity about the Ramsey case is the investigation itself. It has been portrayed as one with a lack of protocol, ie not treating the house/her bedroom (at least!) as a crime scene, before her body was found. It was if LE was extremely lax with the family initially and then got hyper-vigilant.
I am no expert, but common sense says, consider all possibilities, simultaneously and begin ruling them out, if possible. Everyone gets that, but common sense also says just because you cannot rule something out does not prove you arrived at a conclusion.
Like TH, the Ramseys, for what ever reason could not be ruled out. Does that keep them on the suspect list? You bet. Does that mean they are guilty? Not yet, but we keep turning over other rocks with an open mind. All JMO.
The Ramseys of course have been formally cleared. Patsey lost a child in one of, if not the worst possible way, was fighting cancer and did not live to see her own vindication. It was beyond cruel, and something we never want to see happen again.
I think part of the sophistication of the crime against Kyron was the perp knew the workings of LE enough to not only put them off the track, but on a different track. Again, JMO.
Yes, in conjunction with the prosecutor removing the case from the police, and the multiple suspended grand juries.
B
It seems that most people think he is a looneybin, but the guy with the cadaver dogs – didn’t they find scents on the Horman property and also at a houseboat at SI?
I wonder why they aren’t going back to the very beginning (or if maybe they are) and looking at everything all over again?
@lyla says:
July 15, 2012 at 1:54 pm
The commonality between the two cases…they are both unsolved. JBR was not abducted nor kidnapped and her body was found in the family home…and if Ky’s remains were to be found it would not necessarily prove “who did it”. Closure for the family hopefully.
SZ was seen by several but cannot be identified, chose an opportune day of science fair chaos combined with all first responders pre-occupation attending a funeral, something about a stolen GPS in that same area, absolutely no evidence at the abduction site, erasure of school records and indicting TH. Very well thought out, and let’s go back to the school records… was this done manually, and hy? might that indicate a connection with someone on staff? Or is SZ so technically advanced that he could do this remotely? Was it phone records, iirc? Who on staff would have something to lose if phone records of 6/4 were viewed?
@Rose says:
July 15, 2012 at 1:51 pm
(snipped)”by Ramsey similarities, does zero
homicide experience on the part
of both initial detectives fit?
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Ramsey case imo yes. Compromised crime scene from get go.
There has never been, to my knowledge, any proof Elsy Leonor Mejia-Sanchez is the wife of RS, and several of us tried to make that connection early on. There are compelling reasons to think she is at least related, but it is all speculation, to my knowledge. Don’t let me discourage you from looking as I would love it if you could find definitive proof.
January says:
July 15, 2012 at 2:38 pm
She is not his wife.
B
I did more searching about Sanchez’ wife.. Think I found the answer. Unless she left because she overheard something was going to go down with Kyron…. or her “going missing date” is incorrect, her leaving most likely isn’t connected to Kyron..
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Does the missing family (mother Elsy Mejia-Sanchez,and children Jamie Mejia and Ubaldo Sanchez-Mejia) have any connection to either RS or AS? They went missing on May 19th.
Blinks reply: Shelly- source link please- what do you mean they are “missing”?
B
August 26, 2010 at 10:10 am
@ Blink,
Have agents sucessfully located the family they were looking for?
From Blink: I cannot say for certain, but imo, yes
August 26, 2010 at 10:10 am
@ Blink,
Have agents sucessfully located the family they were looking for?
I cannot say for certain, but imo, yes.
B
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewCsawDetail&caseNum=1148744&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US
In the link below the words (Companion) are written below Elsy’ name..
Companion vs. wife? Just curious
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewCsawDetail&caseNum=1148744&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US
erose says:
July 15, 2012 at 4:27 pm
There has never been, to my knowledge, any proof Elsy Leonor Mejia-Sanchez is the wife of RS, and several of us tried to make that connection early on. There are compelling reasons to think she is at least related, but it is all speculation, to my knowledge. Don’t let me discourage you from looking as I would love it if you could find definitive proof.
January says:
July 15, 2012 at 2:38 pm
She is not his wife.
B
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Not to my knowledge, no. I realize I am working on 2 cylinders here, but how did I miss the leap that these were RS kids/wife and not some unverified likely family members as uncovered early?
B
Okay, Blink, I’ll bite…..are they his children?