Kyron Horman Missing Case Breaking News: Remains Believed To Be Human Located Off Sauvie Island
Sauvie Island, Oregon-There are unconfirmed reports that a teenage boy fishing off of Sauvie Island located a human skull, and potentially other human body parts.
Update 1: As referenced on KOIN, a teenage fisherman believes he snagged a scalp with human hair attached, which he originally thought was horse hair. Columbia County detectives cordoned off the scene last evening and MCSO dive teams entered the water but found nothing. The possible “hair” was sent for testing.
Multnomah County Sheriff Office will not comment on the find, or confirm whether their office has facilitated the removal of same, or forwarded any items to the medical examiner for testing.
Following the disappearance of Kyron Horman, Sauvie Island has been the subject of repeated searchers for the missing Skyline second grader with no results.
It is also the former home of a man considered to be Federal fugitive following a confrontation with a Lincoln City officer with nearly fatal results. Officer Steven Dodds was able to return to duty after extensive rehabilitation.
Durham was a Sauvie Island resident for over 6 years and a volunteer fire fighter until he was removed from duty 6 months prior to the shooting.
David Durham’s dog was recovered injured following what appeared to be an accident in the suspects vehicle and is being cared for by a friend of the family. Mr. Durham has not been seen since his vehicle was recovered in the bay town of Waldport, Oregon.
Please check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates to this breaking story.
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Their son, James Logan, was born Jan. 26, 1994.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html
@ Rose – I thought at the time it was pretty amazing that James was allowed to talk to a reporter. I imagine his dad was told in no uncertain terms not to allow that again.
I’m not saying James should testify, just wondering. As far as him being gone since February of 2010 – are we saying he didn’t visit the Horman house for over 3 months, and didn’t see his mother during that time? Was the planned visit in June that was cut short when things started to fall apart (and he had answered the phone and commented, as I recall – have to look for that) the first visit he had made since leaving? If not, then he could be asked if he had seen any changes in Kyron’s behavior, if Kyron had talked to him about school problems, whether he had ever met Rudy Sanchez and whether Kyron had met him, and other things not directly about to his mother.
A question – if she gets the judge to approve that James cannot testify at all, can that fact be used in a civil case to hint that she may be doing that to hide something incriminating that he knows? I realize it can be interpreted different ways and maybe he knows nothing – but it already appears that way to many people.
http://www.kptv.com/story/19065368/terri-horman-hoping-to-keep-teen-son-off-witness-stand-in-kyron-case Nothing new, but they also say 17. Was the 1994 birth year that was published before incorrect or are they all just copying each other?
Busy today, but a lot to think about.
Do you suppose they will ever ask to move the civil trial to another location or a criminal trial, if ever, out of the Portland area? I don’t think it would help, just wondering if it’s likely to come up.
Still think James needs his own attorney watching out for him.
@erose. “a long laundry list” was said not wrt “things he could testify to,”
but as a response to “the reasons Terri wouldn’t want her son to testify.”
As a mother of an 18 year old, I could think of a long list
not having anything to do with “things he could
testify to.” — related to his physical safety, protection,
and emotional well-being, as well as the things he
should have his mind on at this age.
My personal note to Blink was supposed to be a private note! Lol, now you all know my real name…
Oh well!
@TRuth. I assumed the source for the story was the plaintiff, or employees of her attorney, because the spot was alerted to on Roseburg Supports Facebook before it aired.
The case may work a bit to Terri’s advantage because the suit has led to several new indicias of linkage between Mrs Young, her sister, and the moderators and regulars of Roseburg Supports, now documented, if Houze has paralegals on it, particularly wrt fundraising.
@Rose
I agree with your posts today and feel James should be going on to school
Outside of that I hope Kyron can be located
soon
@RedRose says:
July 18, 2012 at 1:01 am
(snipped) “Well, the school knows who the chaperones are, because they would have assigned them. Was a LE person in the group, even a part-timer?”
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Did Kyron even make it into a bonified identifiable chaperoned group?I think he did not, particularly if Ms. Porter was under the impression he would be gone for an appointment.It seems Kyron was totally unsupervised from the time TH left until he disappeared. How can the school be “off the hook”? For a child who was supposedly spacey at times (as reportedly said by TH), Terri should have walked him back to his classroom..so why didn’t she?
@T.Ruth
(snipped) ““Terri Horman wants to silence son
about Kyron case”
(snipped) :Secondly it makes it sound like she wants to off him. I’m so frustrated with the reporting on this case.
JMO”
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Exactly what I thought!!! Anything to get a “Headline”!
I just came back to post “Where is Malty, our poet?” And there you are!
I’d just read the OLive Bernstein version, did not see the Eagle you’ve mentioned
diving into Comments, so I “searched Eagle for Freedom.” It appears the eagle is extinct.
Glad you are not.
@Rose, Oh I must be a terrible student but I find the statement,
“Unless Rosenthal has physical evidence, such as medical records, Kaine allegedly molested James when a minor, his testimony has no probative value imo.”. a bit obtuse. Rose I am uncertain as to why you would even pose the suggestion of Kaine molesting James. I know that you are not really stating that as a fact but why would you use that concept as an example of probative value. Please know I respect so much of what you say but that statement bothered me. I am not sure how I feel about James testifying but at age 18 I am not sure that a mother has a right to expect her child is exempt from testifying about what he may know as the truth. I totally agree he should not be put through a fishing experience but if he does have information that is relevant how should that be addressed? I just do not know.
Tyler Lupoli….back to prison again…two years.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Daycare-groper-back-in-custody/0hBUUCqtrk-BMRyyrHgGoA.cspx
That is what I meant, her lifestyle choices and relationships. I must have phrased it wrong, but I agree.
Rose says:
July 19, 2012 at 1:28 pm
@Rose, After re-reading, I see where we differ. I do think his safety, emotional well being, etc., is affected by her choices and relationships, if he were not TH’s son, he may not need protection, for example, but you are saying a totally innocent person, such as yourself would object to your 18 year old testifying just on the basis of the ordeal. Got it, finally.
The groundskeeper doesn’t have my attention much, other then what he may have observed. I remember reading this (below) and wondered about it at the time. While mowing, the groundskeeper saw some kids come out the back door to look at plants in a raised bed. Was the raised bed of plants a science project? Were lots of kids going out periodically to look at it? There was no mention of a teacher or chaperone accompanying the children. Could Kyron have been one of those kids, and then never made it back in the school? This has always bothered me, as I’ve not heard an explanation as to why those kids went out the back door.
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“(I) noticed that there was some children that came out the back door, and I thought, ‘please don’t come down and play soccer.’ But they came out and looked at some plants that were in the raised bed.”
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100582364.html?tab=video&c=y
Malty is here every day
Just thinking and considering what you fine thinkers say
I sometimes think JW is the bad guy
Then this one or that one
Or a stranger
I wonder why when both bio parents have been with other parents who
Lost children to SO they don’t seem to think maybe
A SO took Kyron
Why Kaine is so sure Kyron is alive and says he rarely thinks of Terri
But I just don’t come up with any answers
I wonder about Dede and JW
I guess
@Ode. Some of public who speculated in media blogs from early days endorsed the theory Terri and DeDe spirited Kyron out of town and hid him from Kaine also speculated a motive strong enough to do that would be generational
sex abuse tied to James’ departure as well.
I personally thought she did that, much less was motivated to protect fri
Kaine, absolutely ludicrous.
However, Desiree seemed at times to believe the he’s “hidden out” theory. Personally I think her suit makes as much sense as that silly theory, so who knows why she’d want James to testify.
MockingbirdSings says:
July 19, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Snipped>>>>
A question – if she gets the judge to approve that James cannot testify at all, can that fact be used in a civil case to hint that she may be doing that to hide something incriminating that he knows? I realize it can be interpreted different ways and maybe he knows nothing – but it already appears that way to many people.
@MBS- Just last night I was chatting with 2 people that live in Portland and they both think that James is involved in Kyron’s disappearance. This new motion to keep him from testifying has reinforced their beliefs. I understand how it can look that way to them, just as you said above, many possible interpretations.
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Malty says:
July 20, 2012 at 6:26 am
Malty is here every day
Just thinking and considering what you fine thinkers say
I sometimes think JW is the bad guy
Then this one or that one
Or a stranger
I wonder why when both bio parents have been with other parents who
Lost children to SO they don’t seem to think maybe
A SO took Kyron
Why Kaine is so sure Kyron is alive and says he rarely thinks of Terri
But I just don’t come up with any answers
I wonder about Dede and JW
I guess
@Malty – I was wondering where you were too, glad to hear from you. I have to say I have always been so suspicious of JW as well, and did a lot of research on him long ago. His actions and crazy letters really raised my antennae, along with his child porn loving Dad in prison. I think about DDS and him often as well, and I do wonder.
I have to think if SZ was anyone that we have seen in the media, then it seems that the Skyline witnesses would be able to say “Yes, that is him” when shown a picture or video. Maybe I am wrong on that, maybe no one got a good enough look at SZ to recognize him again, IDK. Sigh…
From OregonLive:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/07/terri_hormans_lawyer_seeks_to.html
@mbs. Burch & Houze are ethically obliged to tell James they can’t represent him if they feel his legal interests conflict with TMH’s.
In my lay TV-watchin’ opinion, No, the Judge would instruct a jury that his Order precluding plaintiff calling James can’t be considered, if it ever came to jury’s attention at trial anywaywhich it wouldn’t.
That’s of course why Mrs. Young’s allies had to get it in press with the headline it was given, poisoning the jury pool imo. Watch for more of this unless there’s a gag order imo.
@Ode. The shorter answer is I was being snide about why Desiree was fishing in James’ pond to support her abduction theory.
@erose. We don’t differ. I was just referring back to the language of the original quote Blink made the “laundry list” response to.
Imo my off the top and not exhaustive laundry list speculation about James’ losses impacting his emotional ability to weather more “headbutting” with Desiree or Kaine in either civil action in order of significance are:
–3 father figures, two of whom dumped him abruptly, one after 8 years. If you believe the Dads it was all the nasty wife’s fault they divorced, I’ll sell you a bridge.
–loss of Kyron, abruptly, to an unknown & probable death just after he lefttown. he feels guilty & responsible. (He also feels guilty for “butting heads with Kaine” thinking if ge’d been more tractable to Kaine the family wouldn’t have broken up.
–loss of Kiara
–loss of family and home he’d known for 8 years
–many moves growing up
–loss of anonymity; press hounding him to extent he was homeschooled
–scarey drmonstrations outside his home.
–billboards and fliers around town attacking his mom.
imo he’s been remarkably resiliant and shouldn’t take anything Mrs. Young’s attorneys unless they can profer the testimony they expect from him that only he, and not for example Kaine, can offer.
imo this is an attempt to discredit James under oath BEFORE his all-important testimony in the divorce if it comes to trial. Can impeach his testimony then with testimony from Desiree.
Public underestimates how closely desiree and Kaine, or their attorneys, may be cooperating imo.
BTW I have formed some opinions from seeing pics of K Ramirez and her sons on gofundme. Silly of me, I know.
Maybe we just don’t know enough to say whether Desiree’s civil suit is a worthy endeavor or not. Could be she has legitimate evidence that shows Teri did in fact play a role in Kyron’s disappearance.
It is my belief that if Terri’s son, James, has knowledge of events and information regarding Terri’s behavior and feelings about Kyron then he should testify to such. He’s an 18 year old young man and though doing so won’t be comfotable, sadly it has become part of his journey because of his own mother’s choices.
I guess the question becomes how long does a parent have to wait to seek justice for the loss of their child? This investigation could take forever and still not go to trial. Desiree is within her rights from my perspective.
O/T, my prayers go out to all those affected by the shooting spree in Aurora, Colorado last night. Praying for full recovery of all the victims still in the hospital. What a horrible, horrible tragedy.
James seems like a nice boy who has been through a lot these past 2 years. Too bad Desiree and the media have decided to use him as a another tool to put pressure on Terri. i think that should leave the boy alone or at least have the decency not to parade his name all over the news in an effort to intimidate his mom. Rosenthal could ask to depose james without making a headline out of it.
oops forgot link
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James seems like a nice boy who has been through a lot these past 2 years. Too bad Desiree and the media have decided to use him as a another tool to put pressure on Terri. i think that should leave the boy alone or at least have the decency not to parade his name all over the news in an effort to intimidate his mom. Rosenthal could ask to depose james without making a headline out of it.
http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=162949456&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10202
speaking of Ramirez putting her & her 2 sons pics on her fundraising site for Desiree’s legal expenses (I imagine in a contingency suit expenses like filing fees, service of process, etc are separately billed), the son’s ages and her profer of closeness to Kyron make me wonder why Desiree did not request a Court to appoint her guardian for Kyron during her medical treatment. Versus an adulterous husband, his mistress, & infant daycare, if Ramirez were willing it would seem a slam dunk.
I would rather see Desiree go after Dede than James
I feel this woman told some serious lies about how well she knew this family
And was involved in their lives
There was a report that Terri was “furious” about Kaine making James move out of the home. This was reported by a witness who attended 24 Hour Gym. http://www.katu.com/news/local/100309979.html?tab=video&c=y Desiree also says at one point, that Terri was very, very angry and it all came down to that day.
Then we have conflicting reports Kaine that Terri sent James to live with his Dad. :
Listen to the full interview (25 min.):
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/day_of_kyron_hormans_disappear.html
(see the transcript link below)
Transcript
Reporter – Why was James sent to Roseberg?
K – “Well, he spends the summer with his Dad. So he was up because of what was happening and the week … then he was sent back down and i guess based on the media frenzy at the time it was decided to just get him out of that environment.”
Reporter – “How was your relationship with James? Some of Terri’s friends told us you butted heads a little bit
K – “I thought it was good. (puts on the parent of a teen voice) Uhm? Two men in the house? (Des laughs) A teenage boy & his father. I can’t really take it much farther from there. I know that him & Terri butted heads more often and I was the mitigator of the situation.” (Des adds in several supportive ‘yeahs’)
Des – “Honestly, from a 3rd party perspective, Kaine had a more structured type of parenting style, as opposed to Terri. And I think that sometimes when you have a different parenting style than your co-parent that it can sometimes – you know – give ya a little challenge with that sort of thing.”
K – “And I don’t know if it helps, and I don’t want to go off track into her son as much, but I think he would say the same thing. And he’s told me that before.” (Des offers Yeah in support of statement)
K – “You know if circumstances or something really bad happened he would come live with me if he could. So, I know what they’re saying, but if you talk to the kids, you know it’s the typical he’s 16 and wanting to do his stuff and I’m trying to be a dad to him and saying here’s what you can do and here’s your boundaries. And when he oversteps we have differences of opinion and it’s expected. You know? Pushes the buttons and we don’t have the 16 y/o filter turned on yet and it’s typical stuff.”
K – “But I don’t think the stuff he and Terri were going through was typical and when I’m stepping in to play mitigator with my step-son to his natural Mom, when you remove all that step and natural stuff out, that to me speaks volumes, as well. So I know they have their opinion, but there were a lot of things I had to do to help that relationsip between the two of them.”
Transcript Credit: Pandora
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=424009
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So perhaps the request to have James testify is in this regard? To clear up whether or not Terri was really furious at Kaine? Desiree would be inclined to believe Kaine. (Although, I’d assume she was being told some horrendous lies by him in their past together while she was pregnant with Kyron.) Who really wanted James out of the house? James knows.
JMO, but I’m thinking the whole thing about James moving out of that house has something to do with Kyron being missing. We have several conflicting reports in that regard:
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100511654.html
One version – in Horman’s own words – was recently forwarded to KATU News.
“I had my son go to live with my parents so he would be happy – went from D’s to straight A’s within one month of being away from Kaine,” she wrote in an April 6 e-mail.
That’s consistent with what James’ father, Ron Tarver, told Willamette Week, adding the 16-year-old had been acting out and butting heads with his stepfather. But Kaine Horman told The Oregonian their relationship was typical and that Terri and her son were the ones who didn’t get along. Kaine said he was often the mitigator between the two of them.
But that’s not what Terri’s friend from 24-Hour Fitness, who testified before the grand jury Monday, said they heard. In the weeks before Kyron disappeared, that person said Terri was upset, telling the friend her husband forced her son to move out.
http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-908-stepmom_moves_into_parent%E2%80%8Bs_house_but_first_son_alr%E2%80%8B.html
Tarver said Terri Horman had sent James to live in the southern Oregon town of Roseburg last March because the boy’s grades at Lincoln High School in Portland were dropping and he was acting out at home, including butting heads with his stepfather, Kaine Horman.
Tarver said James was living nearby with Terri Horman’s parents but frequently visited Tarver’s home.
With the latest news that Terri Horman relocated over the weekend to her parents’ home in Roseburg, we wondered whether James is still living in that same house. A judge has placed a restraining order on Terri Horman telling her to stay away from Kaine Horman and their 19-month-old daughter, Kiara.
Reached by phone today, Tarver tells WW James moved out of Terri Horman’s parents’ house and into the Tarver house sometime in the past month. Tarver declined to elaborate on when the move happened or why, but he said it was before Terri Horman moved to Roseburg over the weekend.
“This was all before that,” Tarver says. “He’s been with us for quite some time.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html
In February, Terri sent James to Roseburg to live with his maternal grandparents.
“I was on a business trip when she made that decision,” Kaine said. “She called me on my first day (in California) and said they had gotten into a fight. She couldn’t handle it anymore. She was going to call his dad to talk about other options.”
Kaine said he didn’t want James to move out, but it wasn’t his decision.
http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/AngelaFBJamesJan.jpg
As you can see in the above link, Angela posts on February 26, 2010, that James has been living in Roseburg about a month.
So, there we have several different versions of not only when, but why James moved to Roseburg. Even Angela and Ron state different dates. Why? Obviously someone is mistaken or lying. So I can totally see why Rosenthal would want James to testify in this capacity. Guessing he’d also depose Tarver, Rockwood & Kaine if this is the truth he’s trying to get to.
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Question, since the civil case awards monetary legal remedy, and Terri Moulton Horman is still legally married to Kaine Horman, is Desiree in effect also suing Kaine?
Curious, has Rosenthal actually released the names of witness’ he plans to call to testify? Where is the information that James is to be a witness. I have seen no mention of James other than from TH and her attorneys.
TY Rose for starting the list. I agree, the parents are working in conjunction through the civil court cases. I can’t remember the link, but when DY filed, KH spoke out and said “we” when he should have said “she” referring to DY’s case. That convinced me he was more involved in the process then what is being made public, IMO.
The divorce case is delayed due to her right not to incriminate herself, so logically, it would seem TH would not want her son to testify for the same reasons. Her motives may be maternal, but they will not appear that way, which only furthers the opinions of her detractors and solidifies the presumption of her guilt.
Can the hole she digs get any deeper, or is someone digging it for her? Is the MFH is her incriminating issue? and if not, what then?
btw, went to gofundme, saw DY and Kyron, but am looking for pictures of his aunt. What am I not clicking on? Trying to catch up.
@Ode. We haven’t really seen a mention of James fromTH or her attorneys.
Someone gave some story to a couple TV stations anonymously to the public.
After reviewing news feeds to tose stations on Kaine’s site, it seems me me TH
and her attorneys have never been their sources.
Mrs. Young’s suit needs a judicial gag order asap for benefit if minors Kyron and Kiara.
On reflection, James’ testimony is critical in the divorce suit as to custody and as to
who did what percent of parenting in the home, as well as TH’s treatment of Kyron, and Kaine’s
treatment of all 3. Also on drinking & other contested matters.
Imo it is a preparation to impeach (contradictions in) his testimony in the fall divorce trial (or whenever)
to attempt to depose him under oath now. Imo there is a high level of coordinated
planning here, whether by bios but more likely associated legal professionals including the Office of Shrunk et al, idk.
Blink, am eager for Lea’s piece and analyzing the interplay of the 2 civil suits & probable witnesses.
We’re all thinking Mrs Young’s motivation is advancing a criminal case. Imo more motives in litigations against TH are possible
@erose. i am a computer nitwit & no longer see mayson/connor’s pic on the gofundme
site perhaps due to my stupid factor.
I found it in google images, lower rite p , under kelly davidson ramirez medford.
And you’re right; I have no idea what kelley looks like. thot it was her because it’s her site.
more stupid factor here.
My question was though if she was rearing young lads anyway,
why not take her sister’s kid in when Desiree left town?
Seems better than infant day care and KH/Terri Ecker.
Not my business though.
from Bring Kyron Home site, thank yous (wrt to which events is unclear)
http://www.bringkyronhome.org/thank-you/
KGW listed as a Corp Sponsor! the only media on the list
Kelly Ramirez is, generously, a Donor. She’s been out there for Desiree
from the beginning iirc.
There are 3 in tech support, one Neil.
If James lives with Terri and grandparents today
It speaks volumes to me about their mom-son relationship
Most unlikely, but if so – that could be a case of a mother protecting a son, something I have wondered about. Also would be interested to know the reason KH had “issues” with TH’s son and sent him south.
@Idahogal says:July 20, 2012 at 11:01 am
MockingbirdSings says:July 19, 2012 at 1:17 pm
@MBS- Just last night I was chatting with 2 people that live in Portland and they both think that James is involved in Kyron’s disappearance.
T. Ruth says:
July 20, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Well said T Ruth. IMO it’s simply a matter of witness testimony and James, having lived in the home, is a key witness.
@Ode. We haven’t really seen a mention of James fromTH or her attorneys.
Someone gave some story to a couple TV stations anonymously to the public.
After reviewing news feeds to tose stations on Kaine’s site, it seems me me TH
and her attorneys have never been their sources
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My point was actually did TH and her attorneys perform a pre-emptive motion to quash James participation in the civil suit or had James been subpoenaed to testify thus resulting in the motion to exempt James? Who actually first brought mention of James into this suit?
@Ode. My point is, we have no knowledge either attorney’s pleadings have brought James into suit except anonymous whispering by 2 TV stations that in my cursory review late today have often been Kaine’s primary interviewers at events, ie 2 yr wall of hope, car shows etc
in the meantime, shocked here by a discovery re Lithia & how we all missed it.
http://m.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120720/BIZ/207200317/-1/WAP&template=wapart
I thought it was a local 1-3 deal
It is interesting that the media is reporting particulars from Bunch’s reply (Terri’s civil attorney), but nothing from Rosenthal’s documents.
So are Bunch’s filings public, but not Rosenthals? Hmmmmm, weird.
@Ode. We haven’t really seen a mention of James fromTH or her attorneys.
Someone gave some story to a couple TV stations anonymously to the public.
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i wonder who tipped off the local media bet I can make a guess.
@Ode says:
July 20, 2012 at 6:33 pm
My thoughts exactly. I’m just curious if I’ve missed something that isn’t easily searchable. The only thing I can find, have read, or heard so far is that TH’s Lawyers intend to file paperwork to prevent J from testifying. The way I understand it is that this is a preemptive move from TH’s lawyers. I am easily confused at times, especially at the end of a long work day/week, but have I missed that DY or her lawyers have said they want J to testify?
RedRose says:
July 20, 2012 at 5:50 pm
“Most unlikely, but if so – that could be a case of a mother protecting a son, something I have wondered about. Also would be interested to know the reason KH had “issues” with TH’s son and sent him south.”
@Idahogal says:July 20, 2012 at 11:01 am
MockingbirdSings says:July 19, 2012 at 1:17 pm
@MBS- “Just last night I was chatting with 2 people that live in Portland and they both think that James is involved in Kyron’s disappearance.”
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Where was James when Kyron disappeared? I thought he was in Roseburg. Did LE investigate his whereabouts? What would be the likely scenario if James was involved i.e. motive?
He absolutely was not involved in any way. Idahogal was just sharing a conversation-
B
continuation from above. prematurely hit send.
…. thought it was a local 1-3 site dealor in Medford where Mrs Young was the primary bookkeeper.
It may be true she is only a bookkeeper generating payroll for only one site.
Lithia had a High water mark in 2009 with 110 dealorships. Then, a severe contraction in dealorships.
Why? What happened to make Lithia lose many dealorships in maybe 2010? Bankruptcy declarations
of dealorships purchased in expansions? disgruntled employees? disgruntled sellors? then the article says Lithia found a new market: widows with dealorships for whom succession in ownership is unclear.
The widows are glad to shake the dust off their feet for what Lithia will pay, the hard work off their hands,
enjoy life without spouse, and let Lithia settle it with other alleged inheritors.
Well, if Mrs Young was an accountant for the Medford-based Lithia business-wide venture, which seems to have an
a dramatic contraction & expansion business from 2009-present, imo we’ve increased our pool of computer-sophisticated possibilities who were motivated by perhaps revenge for business/job/inheritance disappointments.
the DeBoers have built quite a business:
http://www.lithia.com/index.cfm?action=dealerlink&Link=1447023&linkname=Lithia%20Management%20Team
publically traded, though imo an inhouse Board
@Rose says:
July 17, 2012 at 2:45 pm
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According to urls on this page, obtained by googling unsolved cases multnomah county underhill, Rod Underhill and mcso were making announcements that Match that 8 of 10 cold homicidecases would be re-tackled and a Cold Case Unit was to be set up within MCSO for that purpose. Wonder if 1 of the 8 perps in those cold cases was motivated to divert MCSO & Underhill resources, detectives & all, and wipe out the mcso budget for 8 cold homicide cases a couple months later?
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I have to say, Rose, this is one of the most interesting theories I’ve seen posted. Would be very interesting to know which cold cases they were investigating. If this were the scenario, I’d say the perp would have to be very intelligent indeed. And, possibly, as some have suggested, even part of LE. I wonder if they were only investigating murders, or if perhaps Stacy Wilmoth’s case might have been one of them? I just find the similarity of her abduction and Kyron’s soooo bizarre.
I hope someone has reopened her case. Even though it wasn’t a murder, it was obvious the perp thought it was. I further hope her clothes and any other evidence were preserved for DNA analysis. One would certainly think the similarities between the two cases, would at least have someone *taking another good hard look*.
Question for Blink or anyone who can answer it. Kinda’ a chicken & egg question. If one is a elderly man, and he is found with to be in the possession of child pornography, what are the chances this man may have sexually abused children when he was a younger more virile man? Does the pornography allow the perp to revisit the abuse he actually performed or does pornography only lead to the abuse and once you’re an abuser you’re always an abuser? (I hope I’m making sense.)
Also, do persons arrested for child pornography have to submit a DNA sample to put into CODIS?
T.Ruth- short answer based on the limited scenario you provided in your query:
It is possible that a pedophile uses child porn to act out urges without ever offending.
It should be noted, possession of child porn is still illegal, and thus that individual if caught, would be subject to the jurisdictions laws regarding same. This person would be classified as a pedophile the same as one that ends up abusing children sexually.
Emphasis on the possible, but for the most part, if one finds one paraphilia, it is my training and that of anyone specializing in study of pedos or other sexually motivated offenders that if you “find one you find more.” So to your point, while it is possible, it is very unlikely that is the only activity even if the individual never touches a child. ( ie: voyeurism through various means).
In the event that an adult individual acts out their pedophilia by sexually absuing a child, game over.
That individual should be considered a possible sexual predator with the capacity to offend whether due to opportunity or predatory measures. You will not find one professional in the LE community who believes that an adult criminal serial sexual pedophile can ever respond to any therapeutic treatment and should be supervised or incarcerated to the extent the law provides.
B
He absolutely was not involved in any way. Idahogal was just sharing a conversation-
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Thanks B!
@Rose – We had Lithia dealerships in the S.F. Bay Area (grew up there before moving to PDX). I thought many dealerships (not just Lithia) closed due to repercussions of the recession. (Just my guess answer to your question).
lyla says:
July 19, 2012 at 5:11 pm
@RedRose says:
July 18, 2012 at 1:01 am
(snipped) “Well, the school knows who the chaperones are, because they would have assigned them. Was a LE person in the group, even a part-timer?”
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Did Kyron even make it into a bonified identifiable chaperoned group?I think he did not, particularly if Ms. Porter was under the impression he would be gone for an appointment.It seems Kyron was totally unsupervised from the time TH left until he disappeared. How can the school be “off the hook”? For a child who was supposedly spacey at times (as reportedly said by TH), Terri should have walked him back to his classroom..so why didn’t she?
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My question is who is right: Tanner Pumala who said that a female “sub” said (paraphrasing) “oh no, where’s Kyron? There’s only 5!” or the witness who claimed to have seen Kyron with a “male chaperone and two girls”. It doesn’t seem like both of these things can be true.
Link to Tanner Pumala interview, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tAZ1FmHtcI
Link to TMH alleged emails, http://www.katu.com/news/local/100323934.html
@Rose, I disagree with the nitwit and stupid factor, lol, but I can relate to feeling that way posting links. No doubt the picture at that link has changed. You raise a good point about the aunt taking care of the child while the mother received treatment. Did someone object to that, or was there never an offer, IDK, but it would have been a no brainer in my family.
One thing that could have been a factor was DY had established routines and child sharing in Portland, and perhaps auntie lived in Medford, and the distance was just too far for KH to agree without going to court.
I have the impression that DY thought she would pick up with Kyron where she left off, when she became well again. I also have the impression KH was having none of it. I think it worked better for both when they lived in the same city, but with her need for family support during her recovery put too many miles between them to go back to the old way. All my speculation.
I personally feel that DY was sensitive to Ky’s age, routines and development. However, she also knew regaining custody was not something that was going to happen without the court’s intervention and she was without any resources at the time.
B
Another question. Would somebody like, for instance Jerry Sandusky, be required to submit DNA once arrested and or convicted and have it entered into CODIS?
Differs per state, but for the most part, if one is convicted of a felony or in certain misdemeanors yes.
B
This from True Nelson:
“Commonsense would indicate that the criminal case is stalled, if not actually unsolvable. In fact, one might say that there has been no evidence of a crime whatsoever.”
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Where does this come from “no evidence of a crime whatsoever”? A child abducted from a school….??
http://trueattrue.blogspot.com/2012_07_01_archive.html
One question I’ve asked here before…
An RO was issued against TH in 2010, and since then, despite a brief custody war in court, TH has not been able to see her daughter.
Yet let’s go south, to where James lives. NO ONE attempted to keep him away from TH. KH could not include his teenage stepson in his RO. James is not KH’s son. James was, however, a minor in 2010, not an 18 year old who could make up his own mind about who to associate with.
Why didn’t anyone think to keep him away from TH, considering the horrific accusations against her via KH in the RO and custody hearing?
This detail alone tells me that no one else but KH felt that TH was a danger to her kids.