Kyron Horman Missing Case Breaking News: Remains Believed To Be Human Located Off Sauvie Island
Sauvie Island, Oregon-There are unconfirmed reports that a teenage boy fishing off of Sauvie Island located a human skull, and potentially other human body parts.
Update 1: As referenced on KOIN, a teenage fisherman believes he snagged a scalp with human hair attached, which he originally thought was horse hair. Columbia County detectives cordoned off the scene last evening and MCSO dive teams entered the water but found nothing. The possible “hair” was sent for testing.
Multnomah County Sheriff Office will not comment on the find, or confirm whether their office has facilitated the removal of same, or forwarded any items to the medical examiner for testing.
Following the disappearance of Kyron Horman, Sauvie Island has been the subject of repeated searchers for the missing Skyline second grader with no results.
It is also the former home of a man considered to be Federal fugitive following a confrontation with a Lincoln City officer with nearly fatal results. Officer Steven Dodds was able to return to duty after extensive rehabilitation.
Durham was a Sauvie Island resident for over 6 years and a volunteer fire fighter until he was removed from duty 6 months prior to the shooting.
David Durham’s dog was recovered injured following what appeared to be an accident in the suspects vehicle and is being cared for by a friend of the family. Mr. Durham has not been seen since his vehicle was recovered in the bay town of Waldport, Oregon.
Please check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates to this breaking story.
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I haven’t seen this posted but could have missed it while going back and forth between the 2 threads:
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/files/school-skyline/5_31_12.pdf
See “Remembering Kyron” in Skyline School’s newsletter. Today is Portland’s last school day.
I don’t know whether whatever was found in the river was related to this case in any way, however, I did realize something about my own thinking after reading the stories. I thought I was keeping an open mind about whether Kyron could still be alive and held somewhere, but, right or wrong, I’m not. I believe he is gone.
I’m glad the updated picture was done and is out in the news now, but when I look at it, it doesn’t seem real. Yes, I know it is NOT real, but I mean “real” in the sense of the feeling you get when you look at other updated pictures or police sketches. Part of that is because I don’t think he’s with us, but part is also because if he were, I doubt he’d have the happy expression (although we could hope).
It seems a bit strange to have an updated picture along with the original height and weight. Developmentally, they could make a good guess what his current height and weight would be.
I’ve heard of kidnapped or adopted people recognizing themselves in pictures, but I wonder what kind of results there are with the general public in recognizing and finding children using the updated pictures. I don’t mean to be disrespectful at all, but I think I’d have more luck recognizing DAD from an updated picture as an old man with a beard on a tropical island. I’m just not very good with the picture thing.
Oops,forgot link
http://www.thehersheycompany.com/newsroom/news-release.aspx?id=1696078
Well, I googled how long hair lasts in water. Not sure why, just frustrated not to be able to do anything useful. Came across a blog for plumbers. This question and best answer are intended for Blink and anyone else with hair in the drain.
http://www.plbg.com/forum/read.php?1,467886
(snipped)
“When I pulled out the drophead, it had hair in it which I took off and showed to the customers. They both thought that the hair was not theirs and perhaps the hair was from the previous owners of the house.
“They have been living in the house for about four years. The hair I pulled out was not too rotted. Is it possible for hair to have survived in reasonably good condition for over four years?”
answer:
“What your customer needed was a Forensic Licensed Plumber. The hair could be tested for DNA and determined if it was the present owners, past owners or….. guests. Besides the hair, you have soap grease, cleaners, dyes and conditioners that can coat the hair and preserve it.
“Barber Shops and Beauty Shops, used a product called “Thrift” to dissolve human hair with hot water. It works well when the directions are read several times and
“followed.””
So – to continue on – I decided to google whether there IS such a thing as a “forensic licensed plumber” and came up with “yes” and the following:
The Plugged Toilet
Forensic Plumbing? Usually it’s a dull subject, but not necessarily a dry one. A lot of plumbing cases involve leaks. One very wet case involved a plumbing company that was called to unstop a toilet in a high-rise building, and was being sued for flooding the bottom three floors of the 10-story building. An investigation of the building revealed the following: The plumber removed a back outlet bowl from its carrier on the sixth floor. Finding no apparent blockage, he ran a cable through the carrier, the 4-inch horizontal waste, and down into a 6-inch screwed wrought iron riser. Then it got stuck. He apparently assumed the cable had traveled down the pipe for whatever length he had uncoiled. Actually, it was found that the cable had turned around on itself inside a tucker fitting. The tucker fitting had been used to cut into the 6-inch stack at the fifth floor to install a new toilet room. After it turned around, the cable went up the stack and wrapped around itself at the sixth level. The plumber must have been looking for the cable on the fourth floor, got frustrated, and attempted to cut the 6-inch riser with a portable electric band saw. Then his band saw blade jammed. The blade was still stuck in the pipe. There was a come-along still attached to the pipe just above the cut. The other end of the come-along was attached to an old 2-inch galvanized cold water header in the pipe chase above. It had bent a little, and then it broke.
This started out to be a sewer job, so the plumber hadn’t shut any water valves. He summoned the building manager, and informed him that “something” had broken. In the time it took them to find the valves, the three lower floors had standing water. The plumber, I was told, called his boss, left the buildings; and never came back.
http://www.pmengineer.com/CDA/Archives/12360c5b60298010VgnVCM100000f932a8c0____
Yes, there is a product called “Thrift”, but I’ve never used it. I think I am totally overloaded with useless information now. Should have gone with the Twizzler.
Blink,
Does/did D.A.D. match the description of the person (aka SZ) allegedly seen with Kyron?
Thank you, as always.
As pictured, no. But I have seen pics of him and I would mistake him for TH in a hot minute.
B
http://news.opb.org/article/image-imagines-kyron-horman-age-9/
“Two years to the day since Skyview Elementary student Kyron Horman’s disappearance, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children has released an age-progressed image of the boy.
“Kyron, who was 7 years old when he disappeared, would be 9 today, leading computer technicians to estimate that he’s approximately 3 feet, 8 inches tall, and likely weighs 50 pounds.”
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This is Oregon Public Broadcasting. You’d think they could at least get the school name right. I do think the (age 7) height and weight listed under the updated picture is confusing though.
“Man accused of sexually abusing child in Hillsboro daycare”
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Man-accused-of-child-sex-abuse-in-Hillsboro-daycare-158948415.html
Snip
HILLSBORO, Ore. – A man is accused of sexually abusing a 5-year–old boy in a Hillsboro daycare and police fear there may be more victims.
Snip
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This makes me sick to my stomach.
wpg says:
June 13, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Blink,
Does/did D.A.D. match the description of the person (aka SZ) allegedly seen with Kyron?
Thank you, as always.
As pictured, no. But I have seen pics of him and I would mistake him for TH in a hot minute.
B
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“As pictured, no.” But maybe he does look something like SZ when his hair is different? He could be mistaken for TH? Then does SZ look somewhat like a make TH? You are confusing me B!
I never met either party so I can only say “as pictured”. No overthinking required, lol
B
That would be “male” TH. Sorry.
So Blink, Since the question was about SZ’s appearance with regards to DAD, whether or not he looks like TH, is DAD (differently groomed) the race & age ballpark of SZ, the man who instructed Kyron to go outside with him?
where was Kyron in
homeday care when an infant??
So this was bugging me last night. I convinced Mr. Hervness to put on some hip waders and help me out . . . I collected some hair from my hair brush, loaded up a rod and reel, Mr. Hervness and his hip waders, and went out to the creek near our house. This in no way a scientific experiment, rather just a confirmation that there is NO WAY it was just 10 strands of hair.
I had the Mr. go into the creek and “snag” the line on something. (We just used an average weight line and a simple lure). I then had him place the hair (approximately 10 strands on the line, my hair is a light brown, dark blond, approximately 6 inches long, underneath the water). I then pulled the line, tried to reel it in . . . bascially worked disengaging the line and reeling it in. Bear in mind, the creek is much slower moving than the river in question. Ok, so we tried this approximately 10 times (I had A LOT of hair on my brush). 7 of the 10 times, the hair was lost. Completely lost. The other 3, it was almost impossible to see on the line. I’m just saying, anecdotally speaking, NO WAY. Mr. Hervness *may* also think I’m a little crazy.
@MockingbirdSings….I enjoyed reading the information you collected about forensic plumbing. Remember: there’s no such thing as “useless information” !
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Boy-Scout-perversion-files-to-be-released/LbpRvrad0Eu3Uw6-qmYhpA.cspx
No over thinking
Who looks like Terri
SZ or DAD as pictured
Ore. court forces Boy Scouts to release ‘perversion files’
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Oregon-Supreme-Court-forces-Boy-Scouts-to-release-perversion-files-159069105.html
Hot Damn that is a Victory!
B
Okay, I’ve had something rattling around in my brain for days and I need to get it out of there!
A long time ago I used to check in at The Hinky Meter on Kyron’s case to see what folks were saying. At one point Valhall shared a long “Blog Post” that had been sent to her from a reader. This “blog post” had been written by someone using the handle “Red Squirrel” and in the post she had said how much she hated her stepson, wished he would die, etc. I believe it was posted on some step parent blog site, not sure where and I can’t find it now that the Hinky Meter has closed shop. Valhall had speculated that perhaps the Red Squirrel poster was TH talking about Kyron.
I am just wondering, were it TH that wrote it, well that would certainly be an item that would cause DY to say TH had an extreme hatred for Kyron. And I think LE would have been able to trace the poster’s url address, although I may be wrong about that. IDK if we talked about it here or not, does anyone else remember this?
Let the sunshine, let the sunshine, the sun-un shine in…
Yes it is time the scouts be accountable
Great
Idahogal, I remember that Red Squirrel post the same way you do. Yep. Can we say tic tok yet?
It’s been many years since a woman I worked with told me her son was abused at camp
I lost contact but always hoped this scout leader was
Arrested
New age progression photo of Kyron without glasses has been released:
http://www.kptv.com/story/18788820/another-possible-look-at-kyron-horman
Thanks Idahogal
Anyone have a link to the texts themselves
of both Hormans short stories for children
No. 11 – Hevness, I love your commitment to this case. Great work!
Hervness,
Imagining you with your honey out there in hipwaders peeling hair off a brush and implanting in the creek is so funny! You have a good man
Check out how much TH & DAD resemble…or morph into each other….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MrZFVIgNGI
So, as pictured DAD doesn’t match the description of SZ. However, Blink has seen pictures of DAD and indicated that she could mistake him for TH in a “hot minute”. I’m not sure what a “hot minute” is, but has DAD been known to dress as a woman or wear various other disguises besides his camouflage attire? Are there some “hot” pictures of DAD floating around somewhere? Or is it simply the long red hair and fair complexion? I personally think TH has a “softer” look to her, but undoubtedly the long red hair, general local and bizzare behavior is curious.
How long does it typically take to analyze 10 strands of hair (give or take a few more plus scalp and/or other remains) for DNA? Will this likely be resolved before Houze responds regarding the Civil Case?
Required or not, I can’t help my “over thinking”. The new thread offers encouragement.
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wpg says:
June 13, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Blink,
Does/did D.A.D. match the description of the person (aka SZ) allegedly seen with Kyron?
Thank you, as always.
As pictured, no. But I have seen pics of him and I would mistake him for TH in a hot minute.
B
VLH says:
June 14, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Ore. court forces Boy Scouts to release ‘perversion files’
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Oregon-Supreme-Court-forces-Boy-Scouts-to-release-perversion-files-159069105.html
Hot Damn that is a Victory!
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I could cry.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Oregon-Supreme-Court-forces-Boy-Scouts-to-release-perversion-files-159069105.html
“The 20,000 pages — representing files on 1,200 people — are part of a larger trove of confidential documents the Boy Scouts began compiling decades ago. The New York Times reported the Scouts had 2,910 “cards” on men who were unfit to supervise boys by 1935.”
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I was once a Girl Scout and loved every minute of it, a sort of home away from home (with more peace). A chance to get out and do things I never would have been able to experience otherwise. This is just so sad, to think this has been going on all these years, with most probably, little boys like the Second Mile kids, vulnerable, and just wanting a better life and chance to do things they’ve never gotten to do. Tears. The thought of it literally takes my breath away.
Idahogal–If you are a member at ScaredMonkeys I know I read it over there and some sweet Monkey did screen cap it. If you ask nicely, I bet one of them could dig it up in a hot second for you.
I brought it up long ago and even posted a picture where I noted how much DAD looked like he could be Terri Horman’s (bio) brother (she’s adopted), and how little he looked like his bro Michael (could he be adopted?). They look a whole lot alike, bone structure-wise. I’ve let that go, but I could not shake the feeling and yet-another-coincidence go by without mentioning it. JMO, I figure LE would have been able to verify such a thing long ago, but they sure do look alike. Would LE tell us? Could it be what Staton says would “surprise” us in this case? IDK, but although it would be surprising, I would think it would have already been exposed by now. Again, JMO, but I’m getting the feeling that Blink is telling us that DAD does not, NOT MATCH SZ’s description, but neither does TH, and perhaps a million other people who may look like them???
The pic of Kyron without glasses looks more like Kaine
To me
A mix of both bios but more of the eyes showing does seem to bring out Kaine traits
Better
hervness says:
June 14, 2012 at 11:22 am
@hervness- I got a giggle picturing you and hubby doing your experiment, LOL. I love that you did this for Kyron and shared your findings, thank you.
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@melissab- Thank you kindly, however I am not a member at SM. It is good to know that Flastaff and you remember it, hopefully time will tell if it was TH making that post.
I remember reading that post on The Hinky Meter.
If I remember right there were some facts in the post that were shown to Kaine and he said that some of the events Red Sq wrote about never happened to Kyron.
I do not believe that was written by TH.
B
Sorry, I’m impacted by Sandusky case and the things we tend to not believe could happen.
With Kyron, is disappearance timing an issue?
If so, he was about, that very weekend, to go to Medford & see a cop stepDad. Might need to
be stopped. There was the example of Kristian’s arrest.
there are at least 2 male adults in the school who are no
longer there; one, we have no idea if he’s still employed.
We know generational male on young male incest occurred in Horman family per Kristian.
He was an Unprotected (by Mom and older brother) victim who passed
it on when drinking.
Where is Kyron? Targeted or random?
Could preexisting abuse from any source have contributed?
what would happen if we visualized Portland Public Schools
as an institution as a Penn State or Second Mile,
just as an exercise?
Rose says:
June 14, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Anyone have a link to the texts themselves
of both Hormans short stories for children
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http://northwesttales.com/
Ooops, I posted this on the previous thread, are we moving over to this one now?
This is an awful case, being tried in Roseburg, OR right now. Anyway, I bring it here, because many of you have been discussing Aperger’s syndrome, which appears to be part of the defense. I hope the link works, if not google Sarah Dwight. RIP Sarah.
http://www.nrtoday.com/article/20120613/NEWS/120619920/1063/NEWS&ParentProfile=1055
Tears flow on witness stand in Roseburg murder trial
(snipped)
They didn’t just question him about his changing stories, Fine said, “they flat-out accused him” of committing the homicide. She said that once he’d admitted to the assault he always maintained he hadn’t meant to kill Sahara, he only meant to sexually assault her.
“He did so intentionally, impulsively with absolutely no forethought or regard for the consequences as it pertained to Sahara and as it pertained to himself,” Fine said.
She said the defendant suffers from Asperger’s syndrome and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, which contribute to his lack of impulse control, mood swings, and difficulty relating to others. Although he takes medication for these conditions, Fine said he failed to bring them with him on his visit to Oregon.
The defense admits Wallace committed the assault on Sahara, though Fine said the killing was unintentional and thus Wallace is not guilty of aggravated murder but of a lesser crime.
(more @ link)
Sorry, RIP Sahara, not Sarah.
Ben Keefer on p 3 under Core continues his rocket ride to
Admin standout:
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/board/03-05-12_Final_Business_Minutes(16).pdf
The only PPS Administrator (schools repr) co-presenting with Human Resources Dir on Core staffing for curriculum
directly to BOEd.
Noticed while confirming Terrones contract was renewed like Porter’s for ’12-13. So he’s teaching somewhere in PPS.
I would think that LE would have already checked this sort of thing out, but regarding the hair found, there’s a bird in Oregon called the Bullock’s Oriole, which preferably makes it nest out of hair, usually horse hair. (My GD just found one this past weekend.) I’ve seen them made with horse hair, finer hair, and strings and even Christmas tinsel and fishing line thrown in. They like to nest near a water body. They will last years the way they are woven painstakingly woven together.
http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Bullocks_Oriole/lifehistory
Just wanted to put this out, but I too doubt they’d set up a dive for a few hairs without something more attached.
Rose says:
June 15, 2012 at 10:00 am
what would happen if we visualized Portland Public Schools
as an institution as a Penn State or Second Mile,
just as an exercise?
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Are you saying that we should look at PPS as covering up for something they had suspicion was going on in the first place? Something that had been swept under the rug, that had occurred prior to Kyron going missing?
Thanks guys, I had to prove it was *almost* impossible to myself for it just to be hair to cause such a ruckus. I am firmly on the “no way” side of the fence and shall not be convinced otherwise. I think it’s hard to imagine the impossibility without knowing what the water ways here are like, or what the fishing line looks like. I had a hard time seeing the hair that did stay on.
As far as my husband. He truly is a gem. He’s (in the past) done foster care and worked in the youth authority, so anything with the littles gets him in the gut. He has a soft spot for abandoned/orphaned things, be it kids, dogs, cats or adults. (He’s pretty handsome to boot!)
Snipped from Blink’s comments here:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-337/#comments
I want to be clear because I intimate here and there, about the fact I believe this case is part of a bigger issue, but I have not disclosed why, who and/or where. Not ripe.
But it will be. I am not saying this because of any other reason then at the end of the day, victimization of children is my absolute recurring nightmare, because it is so effing preventable, if we, as a society know the facts and cycles.
There are legacy facts and cycles of this time, of this era, and they tie to other pedo incidents of the “the day”, of that I am certain.
The history, the grooming techniques, lures, and practices of advanced networking pedos are in desperate need of exposure. It is my goal, with your help, to get there.
This case does not yet know it’s landmark, but it will.
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I wish Blink could expand on this. Maybe in the update.
So all, what are some of your ideas of what would make this case a “landmark” case? Kyron’s not the only child to ever have disappeared from a school. Kyron’s not the only child allegedly hated or done in by his stepmom. Kyron’s not the only child to have been removed from a parent by another spouse. Landmark, because of $$$ spent? I don’t think so, Blink would have said it already is a landmark case, so what could it be? Is it because the civil proceedings will proceed the criminal?
The problem with expanding is that it is a science in itself, and limiting it to my level of study or experience through my work is limiting the dialogue. Sadly, there are many different profiles, cycles and escalations.
B
I linked this story on June 4, 2010,
NEWPORT, Ore. – Two girls reported a man touched them inappropriately at the Oregon Coast Aquarium on Saturday.
The girls, ages 11 and 12, told police Benjamin Leonard Dean, 24, of Albany, Ore., touched them while they took part in a science project.
Dean was at the Aquarium with an outside organization to monitor students participating in the science projects, Newport police said.
(more @ link)http://www.kval.com/news/local/Albany-man-accused-of-sex-abuse-at-aquarium-157048265.html
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Am I the only one wondering why this “outside organization” this guy worked for isn’t mentioned? Interestingly, when I googled “outside organization to monitor students participating in the science projects”, Google’s first response was this:
http://sciart.intel.com/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=science%20fair%20ideas&utm_campaign=corp_us_isef_sciart_general_-_%28s%29&utm_content=semintGOGL125p359
http://www.intel.com/about/corporateresponsibility/education/isef/index.htm
Did this guy work for Intel? Benjamin Leonard Dean? Was there someone at Skyline from Intel doing the same thing the day Kyron went missing?
Why can’t it be a landmark case simply because people like us all over the country care just as if Kyron was part of our own family
Over two years of Prayers
Everyday looking and wanting him home
We just don’t stop coming here even if we only read
Some thing unusual is going on here
None of us will ever forget
And not just here on this site
There are sites where the same people go everyday just to say
We love you Kyron
Found this:
http://privateofficerbreakingnews.blogspot.com/2012/06/suspect-arrested-in-oregon-coast.html
(snipped)
Dean was not an aquarium employee. He was from an outside organization brought in to monitor the special event.
The Oregon Aquarium sent this statement to the media, following the arrest:
We at the Oregon Coast Aquarium were shocked to learn that an arrest was made Saturday during an event sponsored here by a second party.
We wish to note that the person accused of inappropriately touching two girls is not an Aquarium employee and is not associated with our organization in any way. He was involved as a facilitator in a private Remotely Operated Vehicle (ROV) event which is not a part of any of our programs.
For all of our own educational programs, we fingerprint and do extensive background checks on all adults involved.
The ROV Competition event took place in a separate area of the aquarium, not in a public place and there were chaperons around at all times during the event.
Cindy Hanson, Public Relations Manager, Oregon Coast Aquarium
source-kgw.com
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Could it be the “cool electric project” was a Remotely Operated Vehicle Project, or somehow associated with this same group?
Just out fishin’ for somethin’ besides hairballs. LOL
I guess I don’t have an opinion yet on the horsehair/scalp/no-scalp/hair clump/no-wait-only-10-strands/call-out-the-divers/it’s-being-tested thingy.
I went so far as to hear the word “horsehair” and then remember that KH wanted a horsefarm included on an early search list in June 2010.
And then I thought, NelMel, you most definitely are grasping.
And then I thought….(Nelmel slithering off mumbling something about grasping….)
@TRuth.
Does PPS BOE and lSuperintendent have any less interest than Penn State & its Spanier in ignoring, much less proactively covering up (or Multnomah Cty DA any less likelihood than Centre Cty DA and judges) questionable behavior by staff, school bully students, or subcontractors when by retiring or transfering people the problem
can be dealt with in future, they think?
From reading Blink’s comment on Monkeys, I am thinking a wig with 5 inch light brown hair could fit SZ’s description, have been worn at Skyline by DAD, who then may have tossed the wig, driving off looking like, and id’d as, Terri. Am I now guessing a theory right?
Aw Blink, please choose to disclose the big picture of why if not who or where!
I noticed today Donald Mengel, Kaine’s and Kristian’s grandpa (one of 3) died in 1998, so he was available to be part of a cycle if it wasnt Melvin or Kris” Dad.
I also noticed Kris’ pic in one of the two 1987 Wash Guard newsletters (also an ’84 pdf on line with an article on r neil horman) has a pic remarkably looking like Terri at that age as well as Kristian’s Stephanie (but for hair color).
you know TRuth, the CFO of Intel refused to move to CA and he commuted,
now he’s recently the CEO. He’s built & expanded Intel in Oregon.
The power structure the City fathers–Mayor & Commissioners–and State fathers–Gov’r
& legislators, as well ad any OR LE or DA, is least likely to
investigate or confront is one associated with an Intel employee like Dean. He must’ve
been arrested before they knew his employer.
Think Corbett.