Kyron Horman Missing Case Breaking News: Remains Believed To Be Human Located Off Sauvie Island
Sauvie Island, Oregon-There are unconfirmed reports that a teenage boy fishing off of Sauvie Island located a human skull, and potentially other human body parts.
Update 1: As referenced on KOIN, a teenage fisherman believes he snagged a scalp with human hair attached, which he originally thought was horse hair. Columbia County detectives cordoned off the scene last evening and MCSO dive teams entered the water but found nothing. The possible “hair” was sent for testing.
Multnomah County Sheriff Office will not comment on the find, or confirm whether their office has facilitated the removal of same, or forwarded any items to the medical examiner for testing.
Following the disappearance of Kyron Horman, Sauvie Island has been the subject of repeated searchers for the missing Skyline second grader with no results.
It is also the former home of a man considered to be Federal fugitive following a confrontation with a Lincoln City officer with nearly fatal results. Officer Steven Dodds was able to return to duty after extensive rehabilitation.
Durham was a Sauvie Island resident for over 6 years and a volunteer fire fighter until he was removed from duty 6 months prior to the shooting.
David Durham’s dog was recovered injured following what appeared to be an accident in the suspects vehicle and is being cared for by a friend of the family. Mr. Durham has not been seen since his vehicle was recovered in the bay town of Waldport, Oregon.
Please check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates to this breaking story.
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Well, then, the AP does refer to a June hearing. Seems to me the only possible hearing Kaine might have testified at was a Grand Jury hearing and if so, who was the first leaker of any sealed hearing testimony (from
GJ or any other sealed hearing) Would have to be DA’s office or a Court employee.
YEP.
B
Kyle Iboshi @KyleIboshi
Terri Horman civil lawyer: “This case can impede that on-going investigation.”
https://twitter.com/kyleiboshi
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This is what worries me.
This is the crux of my objection to it in a nutshell. Bunch did his job, but be clear, this is a be careful what you wish for situation.
B
Kyle Iboshi @KyleIboshi
Terri Horman’s civil attorney, Peter Bunch in courtroom. So is Kaine Horman’s divorce lawyer Laura Rackner.
https://twitter.com/kyleiboshi
Of course they are.
B
Additionally, Kyron’s father, Kaine, *testified* in a separate hearing in June that police have told him they have more probable cause to believe Terri Horman was involved with Kyron’s disappearance than they did two years ago.
http://hosted2.ap.org/OREUG/a8dbce6f2a1f4e5d90c2a9e13af098c3/Article_2012-08-15-Missing%20Oregon%20Boy/id-4bbd6f902ea04e118906904b6006b292
I don’t see anything in this story about “growing evidence”, unless Kaine Horman made a phone call to the judge, it sounds as though Rackner just submitted the doc’s to the court. One would think that the O would have certainly included it in this story if it was in the documents.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/06/kaine_hormans_restraining_orde.html
(snipped)
It reads:
My son, Kyron, has been missing since June 4, 2010. I do not know where he is, if he has been harmed, or if he is alive. Local and federal law enforcement agencies are currently investigating my Wife, Respondent/Terri Horman, for her involvement in Kyron’s disappearance. Terri Horman will not cooperate with law enforcement and will not assist in the search for Kyron. I believe that Terri Horman is responsible for Kyron’s disappearance.
After Kyron went missing and the investigation began, law enforcement officials i nformed me that my Wife had attempted to hire our landscaper to kill me for money. I obtained a restraining order against her to protect myself and my daughter Kiara. Respondent/Terri Horman is a substantial safety threat to me and to my family. She has manifested a desire to physically harm me and my family, and I fear she will continue to try to harm me and my family.
(snipped)
Kaine Horman’s petition for renewing the restraining order also noted, “Respondent is being investigated by law enforcement for her involvement in violent crimes.”
@MbS
Thanks for the reminder about the possibility of a “Phyllis”. I don’t know though, because it sounded to me, more like Kaine Horman had been *playing the field* when he blurted this out:
But he does second-guess people who come into his life now, saying that *his dating card has been revoked*.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/05/kaine_horman_endures_year_sinc.html
So why would Rackner be at Desiree’s hearing? Was she being paid to be there or is she just an interested attorney? Something stinks about this whole situation.
Maxine keeps saying in her reports that “kyron never made it class”. Is this now a known fact? This certainly discounts TP’s television interview about the bathroom, etc. Why on earth can’t LE give an update on this case? Why can’t they come forward and at the very least say that the little boy was confused about his days or some such? I just don’t get it. This is really bugging me.
Well someone should tell her that his bookbag and jacket were there, so, he did. Sheesh.
B
I hope if James knows something (especially if it is something that would ultimately harm his mother) he will have the courage to truthfully tell everything he knows. I am sure that he and his mother have talked at length about this. If Terri is guilty of anything, she may be putting intense pressure on him to wiggle his way around the truth. His love for Kyron and his desire to protect his mother, might be an agonizing conflict for him. I am sure today will be difficult for him.
If TH were guilty of anything, I doubt highly he would have the first idea. I also doubt she would discuss any of this with him as I am pretty sure she thinks she us under constant and multiple surveillance.
B
I wonder if Desiree Young will also be at the deposition of James. I would imagine that would be very difficult for James in light of the trashing of his mother that has gone on in some of the websites Desiree is associated with.
I wish James all the success in his future and safety as he goes forward in his mission to protect us all.
JMO . . . I’ve had the feeling repeatedly each time listening and watching KH “give his reactions” that he was not so gung-ho on DY’s civil filing and is not on her subsequent legal victory to proceed.
fwiw, I do believe he gave verbal testimony at his combined divorce/RO hearing which occurred the week of June 28, 2012.
I find it interesting that he allegedly testified about LE allegedly having MORE “belief” etc., AFTER Desiree filed her suit in early June.
I am not seeing that he gave verbal testimony, I am seeing it was an attachment, and it does not say that. If memory serves the order was signed 7/23/or 7/24.
B
Just a thought . . . given the intensity and frequency DY’s has spoken about the emails and saying that TH put everything/it all in writing, one of the areas of JM’s deposition may include what access to TH’s computer did he have if any.
One way DY’s legal team would work on authenticating the author and sender of those emails is by process of elimination, I would think.
The problem is, if that is evidence in an open criminal investigation DY is not going to get access to it.
B
I am real sorry that Kaine is without his son but I have not believed him in some time
If LE has anything why do they only tell Kaine
Then he tells everyone
If there was some Phyllis why doesn’t she speak up
A sweet child is missing
Is all I know for sure here
@MBS
Yes I see the guy
Interesting
Blink, I believe Maxine isn’t saying Kyron was never in his classroom at all that morning, but she is implying that Kyron was not in his class after the first bell rang, which if true totally discounts little TP’s account of the conversation between a sub/chaperone and Ms. Porter. So I am just wondering if Maxine has inside information that TP’s account is false. Why can’t LE come forward and clear this part up? It would have been so simple for them to come forward and say we’ve checked out TP’s account and it is false. Instead we’re all left hanging. Bugs, bugs, bugs me.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/08/kyron_horman_moms_suit_can_go.html
“Horman had driven the boy to school for a science fair. She told authorities that she last saw him walking down the hall toward his classroom about 8:45 a.m. Kyron never made it there, but he wasn’t reported missing until the afternoon, after his father, Kaine Horman, and Terri Horman discovered he wasn’t aboard the school bus.”
Agreed , I just find the wording confusing and conflicting as you do.
B
Hi Blink,
I went by this article dated June 28:
“Kaine Horman’s restraining order against his wife is renewed for another year”
Published: Thursday, June 28, 2012, 5:05 PM
(snipped)
“At Kaine Horman’s request, a Multnomah County judge this week renewed the restraining order that Kaine Horman obtained against his wife, Terri Lynn Moulton Horman, for another year, lasting through June 24, 2013.
Kaine Horman’s divorce attorney, Laura Rackner, submitted to the court the petition for renewal. She attached a two-paragraph statement that explains his reason for the restraining order, the same exhibit attached to his restraining order petition a year ago.”
I guess it’s possible media did not actually attend the June hearing in person and only read and published the filings for their articles.
Waiting on the KGW reporter, however, to produce the court transcripts he is referring to.
xoxo’s
oops, the link
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/06/kaine_hormans_restraining_orde.html
sorry for the extra post
I wonder if Kaine is concerned about his assets since he and Terri are still married? He must have consulted with Rackner and either he is protected because he sought divorce much earlier or because he has a prenup, or he doesn’t care and only wants to find his son.
The problem is, if that is evidence in an open criminal investigation DY is not going to get access to it.
B
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What if she already had/has access to it? Could she use it then?
I do not believe DY ever had access to them but was shown them. She could only ever use something authenticated or certified and Oregon has not yet adopted a solid e-discovery rule outside of Federal court.
Her testifying to what she saw would likely not occur as it would be hearsay, and inflammatory over probative if it could not be corroberated. She is hoping to compel them for use.
B
T. Ruth says:
August 16, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Kyle Iboshi @KyleIboshi
Terri Horman civil lawyer: “This case can impede that on-going investigation.”
https://twitter.com/kyleiboshi
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This is what worries me.
This is the crux of my objection to it in a nutshell. Bunch did his job, but be clear, this is a be careful what you wish for situation.
B
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Why would the DA and LE decline to offer input at the recent civil motion?
https://twitter.com/kyleiboshi
Kyle Iboshi @KyleIboshi
Judge Kantor says DA’s office was asked if they wanted to participate in Horman civil hearing. “They weren’t going to take a position
I do not believe DY ever had access to them but was shown them. She could only ever use something authenticated or certified and Oregon has not yet adopted a solid e-discovery rule outside of Federal court.
Her testifying to what she saw would likely not occur as it would be hearsay, and inflammatory over probative if it could not be corroberated. She is hoping to compel them for use.
B
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Thanks, Blink.
Do you think she will attempt to compel them through LE, Terri or the reciever of the emails?
**I’ve been thinking about you and sending you positive thoughts and wishes.
Thank you and it will depend on the origin and participants of the email disclosure.
No memo out from the judge yet, heh?
B
Thanks for this information January. So if we look at this info, what can we apply to each category.
http://www.probablecause.org/whatisprobablecause.html
Probable cause must be based on factual evidence and not just on suspicion.
Most probable cause sources can be placed into four categories. These categories are:
•Observation – This is information that the officer obtains through their senses, such as sight, smell or hearing. This category is also used when an officer detects a familiar pattern of criminal activity that contains suspicious behaviors (i.e., flashing headlights, circling around a certain neighborhood.)
•Expertise – These are skills that officers are specially trained in, such as: being able to read gang graffiti and tattoos, detecting tools that are used in burglaries or knowing when certain movements or gestures indicate that a criminal activity is about to occur.
•Information – Statements provided by witnesses and victims, information provided by informants, and announcements made through police bulletins and broadcasts.
•Circumstantial Evidence – This is indirect evidence that implies that a crime has occurred but does not directly prove it.
Observation: No one observed Kyron leaving the school, or we’d know who he left with. So, maybe the cop that lived with Horman’s for, what was it?, two weeks?, did he observe Terri acting “suspiciously”? To what degree and what experience did he have in this capacity?
Expertise: Again no one found anything physical about Kyron’s disappearance. (That we know of anyway.)
Information: Statements provided by witnesses? Well there aren’t any statements provided by witnesses that say Terri was seen with Kyron at any point after she says, or she’d be in jail already. Informants? Well, there’s an informant who claims she planned to kill her husband. Is he a credible informant? IDK. I don’t recall any informant saying she planned to kill her stepson. There’s an informant(s) who provided some emails. One being an alleged “hate” email, I suppose that would be in this category, but again, I think if that email actually said she was going to get rid of Kyron, and could prove to be anything more than venting, she’d be in jail.
Circumstantial evidence. “implies that a crime occurred, but does not prove it”. Soooooo, what crime occurred? How do we know, or better, how does LE KNOW that a crime even occurred? It makes sense, but there’s still a chance that Kyron could have simply disappeared himself somewhere. Walked away from the school, fell in old abandoned well, wandered into the woods and got carried off by a bear, had one of his “episodes” and fell off some ridge, played hide & seek and hid in the school dumpster and ended up in the compactor. (Gross, but I did just read about a drunk having done exactly that, poor man.) These are unlikely, however, who is to say it did not happen? So we eliminate the “unlikely” and it becomes that Kyron was most likely abducted, but by whom? Blink tells us there is a SZ and it’s a he, so we know it is not Terri. Desiree thinks Terri is behind his abduction even though, according to Blink, she knows Terri did not leave with Kyron. Why doesn’t anyone ask Desiree WHY Terri would abduct Kyron? I think Oprah did once, and IIRC the answer was uhhhhh. Both Kaine & Terri didn’t have a clue, at least not at that time anyway.
All LE has in this case, IMHO, is a landscaper informant who informed them about an alleged MFH, which we know from the sting, could not be proved, or Terri would have her arse in jail.
Just wanted to look at this, is there anything else any of you can fit into these categories that we know about?
T. Ruth says:
August 16, 2012 at 1:30 pm
(snipped) “Maxine keeps saying in her reports that “kyron never made it class”. Is this now a known fact? This certainly discounts TP’s television interview about the bathroom, etc. Why on earth can’t LE give an update on this case? Why can’t they come forward and at the very least say that the little boy was confused about his days or some such? I just don’t get it. This is really bugging me.
Well someone should tell her that his bookbag and jacket were there, so, he did. Sheesh.
B
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I think Maxine is referring to when class actually started the day of the SF. If I’m correct class started at 10:00am on June 4 which was an hour later then normal because of the SF.
Hmmm, just noticed the FB site “missing kyron horman” “view all comments” are suddenly unavailable. This is what appears from FB:
Sorry, something went wrong.
We’re working on getting this fixed as soon as we can.
I’m wondering what sort of value James’ testimony will bring to the civil suit. I can’t imagine him saying anything negative about his Mother.
T. Ruth says:
August 16, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Thanks for this information January. So if we look at this info, what can we apply to each category……
…..Just wanted to look at this, is there anything else any of you can fit into these categories that we know about?
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What’s exasperating is that we, the public, know so little and what we do know has either conflicting accounts or is not commented on by LE. What LE does say conflicts at times and the media is all over the place. No witnesses are talking, the stepmom is not talking, family and friends are tightlipped.
All we have really is our best guess.
Idahogal says:
August 16, 2012 at 10:06 am
January says:
August 15, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Snip>>>
It will be interesting to hear Kaines’s reaction to this.
This story & video link has Kaine’s reaction:
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Judge-denies-Terri-Horman-request-to-delay-lawsuit-166284266-Kyron.html?tab=video&c=y
Did not hear that probable cause verbiage but may have been edited out.
B
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@Blink – It was not my intention to infer that he said THAT in this video, it was only his response to the abatement denial in the civil matter. I have not been able to find a video of him saying those words either, only the written “quotes”. Sorry for any confusion there.
Nope Idaho, Your solid, it was me looking for what I have not found yet- troublesome.
B
Just some random thoughts:
Maybe DY is so emotionally exhausted and angry about the LE progress that she just said “Screw this, I need to find answers any way I can.” Imagine having to wonder about your missing child for over two years, all the horrifying thoughts that would run through your mind, and thinking maybe a chance to rescue him has been missed. I can’t say that I would have held up as well as she, or that I wouldn’t have already done something really crazy, in her shoes. I can’t think of anything more unbearable, but that’s just me.
Also, after reading all this info. here since yesterday, it appears there is so much that we don’t know about, wow. I wonder if cameras will be allowed in the court room during any of the civil suit, or will it all be sealed and secret like so many other things wrt Kyron.
Oy, I have such a headache, and a bit of a heartache as well.
Civil court is different than family court, unless their is a protection order against it, public will be allowed.
I cannot imagine what Desiree is facing as a parent and I applaud her for her tenacity for Kyron.
That said, I do think this could make things worse, and that to me is unforgivable.
B
At the very least Desiree is “Stiring the pot” and I think a lot of interesting things will rise to the top.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html
James, who is staying with his father, Ron Tarver, in Roseburg, said his mother treated Kyron like her own son.
“The only difference between her relationship with Kyron and me was the difference in ages,” he said.
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I seriously doubt that James will be saying anything detrimental about his mother’s relationship with Kyron. He already told reporters that Kyron was treated the same way he was, so what is so important about his deposition?
He can’t have been a witness to anything that happened that morning because he was on a camping trip with his father Ron Tarver. Unless…..unless he was actually home that morning and picked up by his father some time later in the day. I’ve never heard exactly when he was last at the Horman home, before Kyron went missing. Is it possible he was there that day? Is that what Rosenthal’s trying to find out?
He was not there, he arrived on the 5th, and left the next day because the house was jammed with LE and family and friends in freak out mode, and his little buddy was missing.
Fair warning to anyone that goes after this young man- He is a gentle soul. Frankly, I would be way more concerned about his testimony if I were Kaine. This is jmo, but I doubt he will see the occurrances in the home the same way.
B
T. Ruth says:
August 16, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Hmmm, just noticed the FB site “missing kyron horman” “view all comments” are suddenly unavailable. This is what appears from FB:
Sorry, something went wrong.
We’re working on getting this fixed as soon as we can.
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That’s a FB hiccup, TRuth. I see that message quite a bit on FB. It applies to FB’s software and in most cases it’s a temporary “freeze” on a function on FB, such as attempting to read messages. Annoying but nothing critical. My daughter at college jokes that she sees it “90% of the time I’m trying to send you a request for more money.”
as someone above pointed out Kyle stated he had a newly released June hearing transcript (of oral remarks, I presume. Taking the quote from him as true in an RO renewal
hearing setting, which could have been exparte once again, one wonders why Judge M, to renew, does not require a
simple affidavit from any LE that could be as mere as cso has not been able to rule Moulton
out as contributing to K’s abduction and has not been able to rule out the allegation of a mfh solicitation from Mr S.” Personally I think it’s astonishing in this day the Judge didn’t require a minimal attested statement from LE to entirely bar supervised visits with daughter. Hope women rights activists seize on this if he’s elected.’
As far as James goes, questions will elicit every disgruntled statement she ever made about Kaine, Kyron, her marriage, etc, getting to motive. (I think
that “more sure” evidence Kaine refers to are an accumulation of these types of interviews with everyone she ever met.
Rosenthal doubtless obtained the cooperation of Kaine, and Rackner by signed release of info, to list anyone and everyone Terri ever spoke to about Kaine, Kyron, marriage and ER will depose them
all to get Terri’s adverse remarks (however throwaway to her, and however accurate in the totality of her marriage),
to establish her state of mind–depositions garnering little comments can mushroom into an avalanche for a jury going
to circumstantial motive evidence–in my
opinion only.
lyla says:
August 16, 2012 at 4:18 pm
I’m wondering what sort of value James’ testimony will bring to the civil suit. I can’t imagine him saying anything negative about his Mother.
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I can’t imagine that either, but I can definitely believe that he will be asked a lot of questions about TH’s social habits, which friends were at the house that he knew about, her relationship with KH, HIS relationship with KH, conversations he’s had with TH while she’s been living in Roseburg, any information that DY’s attorney will feel is important to know. Additionally, something that JM states in a deposition could be used to convey the idea that TH lied to him about something, such as where she went on a certain day. I don’t see them “going after JM” so much as collecting anything and everything about TH they can get their hands on, good and bad. How a mother interacts with a teenage son can be dicey territory. The son can certainly love his mother, and feel he needs to protect her or defend her, but I see his statements not being used to make him look bad or guilty or to “force” him to trash his mother — rather to illuminate any questionable claims by TH that JM’s most innocent and honest observations might contradict.
Guys, Mrs Young did not get to Mr Rosenthal’s representation (and his theory
of the civil case and probable litigation modus operandi)
on her own.
DA wants to “have at” the multitudinous
sworn depositions to come imo. Saves the budget too. The generous donative
public is paying for all those depositions and all the litigation manpower.
And they’ve just gotten James’ deposition.
Now, that was Rosenthal’s big win, not the abatement issue.
Mr R couldn’tsolicit Mrs Y as a client. He is the civil attorney in Portland with the exact MO for this case. How rare was that match. Imo this is intensely purposeful to garner evidence about Terri’s State of Mind prior to the abduction to demonstrate motive and more. .
Beejay, trenches report?
@Blink re James. Lads this age are very reluctant to say negatives, especially about another man, much less a father figure, and James would be especially sensitive that way I think. And he will be confined to ER’s questions.
My thought was to preserve his testimony as near in time to events as possible (ahem, 2 years), and for his absence & jeopardy, before he leaves Bunch (nut hopefully Houze) needs to depose him too to preserve his sworn testimony.
Blink, sorry, I’m not implying James had anything to do with this. I just was wondering if he was there that morning at the house and maybe had witnessed the morning *atmosphere* before going on his camping trip with his dad.
So he was elsewhere that morning, okay, then even more so, why would his deposition be so important to Rosenthal? Since he’s already said his mom treated Kyron just like him, like Terri’s own son, then why do you think it is so important for Rosenthal to get this young man’s depo?
I think it is entirely strategic and a way to get an immediate ruling.
B
@Amy’s sister. DA and LE did not offer input into the RO or take a position on it either
@NelMel says:
August 16, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Thanks for the info, and a laugh.
Does anyone know if James or the Moulton’s were called before the GJ? One would think they were, but I’ve never heard.
Rose says:
August 16, 2012 at 7:34 pm
@Amy’s sister. DA and LE did not offer input into the RO or take a position on it either
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But Rose, they actually did, didn’t they? I mean Kaine’s statement that LE led him believe that Terri had tried to kill him and that she had something to do with Kyron’s disappearance, as sated in the RO, wouldn’t Judge M have verified that being the case, before he granted the RO and no less extended it multiple times based on said information?
http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/45.250
second to last paragraph on left. If James is unavailable at
this trial (overseas, no?), his entire deposition comes in, no
hearsay objections.
Additionally, a second reason Mrs Horman’s Counsel
tried to keep him out of deposition is the jeopardy attaching to James himself
– the threat ER will hang over her head as he plays to win imo.
Bunch’s “Contempt of Court” fights predicted to consume Court resources imo
will be those litigated not only against Mrs Horman but also against James in an
effort to get Mrs Horman to fold em. And the FB crowds will cheer.
James faced and faces a very real threat in deposition.
Say after 6 hours of grueling depo focus, ER or surrogate casually
throws out: ” Your Mom and Dede were good fridnds, weren’t they?”
Remembering how she helped Mom
at the end, and not wanting to say a negative like most young under scrutiny,
James replies “Yes.” In trial, PB says to James, “Your Mom and Ms Spicher were not very
close were they?” “no.” A few of those disparities when questioned months apart and bingo on
James. And that hits Mrs Moulton right where some wish her hit for leverage, or for parity.
A traffic Court judge should not be trying this, imo.
Someone with criminal trial jurisprudence should.
No. 30 from Blink:
“Fair warning to anyone that goes after this young man- He is a gentle soul. Frankly, I would be way more concerned about his testimony if I were Kaine. This is jmo, but I doubt he will see the occurrances in the home the same way.”
I am of the opinion that Kaine did not treat James so well and others in house. Are there confirmed instances of abuse either verbal or physical?
Is there evidence that he abused Terri – maybe not physically, but verbally? And did Kaine’s marital infidelities involve all who lived in the household – meaning it took a toll on all of them. Did the children know?
O/T
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/08/sex_predator_who_confessed_in.html
Sex predator who confessed in Texas to two 1970s killings in Portland is returned to Oregon
(snipped, more @ link)
Cutlip, classified as a predatory sex offender in Oregon stemming from a case in the early 1980s, is accused of one count of murder in the drowning of a 15-year-old Milwaukie girl found dead in Johnson Creek after a trip to a local store in April 1977.
Portland police had questioned Cutlip in 1977, shortly after the girl, Julie Marie Bennett, was found dead. Cutlip had left Johnson Creek Park with the girl to go to a local store, The Corner Pantry. In 1977, Cutlip told police he walked the girl back to the park after buying beer and cigarettes and then walked home alone.
He needs a BSU screen, this is not even in the zip code of his complete deeds.
B
Rose says:
August 16, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Say after 6 hours of grueling depo focus, ER or surrogate casually
throws out: ” Your Mom and Dede were good fridnds, weren’t they?”
Remembering how she helped Mom
at the end, and not wanting to say a negative like most young under scrutiny,
James replies “Yes.” In trial, PB says to James, “Your Mom and Ms Spicher were not very
close were they?” “no.” A few of those disparities when questioned months apart and bingo on
James. And that hits Mrs Moulton right where some wish her hit for leverage, or for parity.
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The only people I have ever heard say that Dede and Terri were not actually good friends were Dede and Kaine.
I suspect Blink has read some Kantor decisions like this one: “Unfortunately Kantor gave no explanation….”
http://www.onpointnews.com/NEWS/distress-claim-okd-in-wrongful-insemination-case.html
Imo terrible decision on the id of paternity action due to misapplying the OR artificial insemination statute to the facts of the case — which was really misappropriation of the man’s sperm. Actually, I was not looking at/for Kantor’s cases, just trying to see if he goes to Temple.
Trial Court Reversed See quote of Kantor midway down “and so I am going to view this case as falling within the outer reaches… ” imo reversedas it should be. IMO Followed emotions, not the law.
http://law.justia.com/cases/oregon/court-of-appeals/2011/a141779.html
I am now curious as to whether 2 cases above are representative.
There has been no KGW follow up or supporting document to their, imo, shamefully sensational headline. Find it unacceptable and am questioning journalistic integrity.
I’m so disgusted and sick to my stomach that KGW does not appear to be moderating the public comments, some of which are blatant threats of harm.
Madness, imo.
Sickening.
wpg says:
August 16, 2012 at 10:18 pm
There has been no KGW follow up or supporting document to their, imo, shamefully sensational headline. Find it unacceptable and am questioning journalistic integrity.
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Has anyone asked kgw or Kyle I. to say in what context these comments by Kaine were made, to whom, and when?
If not, I will.
Rose says:
August 16, 2012 at 9:08 pm
“A traffic Court judge should not be trying this, imo.
Someone with criminal trial jurisprudence should.”
@Rose – According to his bio, I don’t see him as just a “traffic court judge”. In any case, according to the Multnomah Circuit Court rules, the actual presiding judge isn’t assigned until the trial readiness hearing which could be about 8 months from now.
http://courts.oregon.gov/sites/Multnomah/General_Info/Judges/Kantor/Judge_Kantor_Biography.page
Henry Kantor is a Judge of the Circuit Court of the State of Oregon for Multnomah County. He was appointed to the District Court in 1994, was elected to a six-year District Court term in 1996, became a Circuit Court Judge in 1998 and was elected to six-year Circuit Court terms in 2002 and 2008. Prior to taking judicial office, Judge Kantor practiced civil trial and appellate law in Oregon’s state and federal courts, emphasizing class actions and other complex litigation, as well as serving as an arbitrator, pro-tem judge and reference judge. As a trial judge, he presides over civil, criminal and probate trials, sits on the court’s Civil Motion Panel and, for several years, administered the court’s Medical Negligence and Asbestos Dockets. During 2004-2005, Judge Kantor sat pro-tem on the Oregon Court of Appeals.
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The handling of civil cases in Multnomah County seems somewhat complicated but well organized. New procedures which seem to simplify the process began in February of 2012. If you are interested in this process, here’s a link:
http://courts.oregon.gov/Multnomah/docs/CourtRules/CivilCaseManagementProcessForCasedFiledAfterFebruary12012.pdf
MockingbirdSings,
I’ve not communicated with either.
Whatever you’re comfortable with, and TIA.
T. Ruth says: August 16, 2012 at 3:54 pm
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I read your post carefully, T. Ruth, especially how each catagory applies to Terri and/or Kyron. It is for the exact reasons you mention, (i.e. that there doesn’t seem to be probable cause)that I am curious. Most of us wish we had more factual information from LE on this case. Maybe they do have enough information to fit Terri into one or more of the probable cause catagories, and we just don’t know it.
I believe that there is a SZ and that Kyron didn’t leave with Terri. But I do blieve that Terri was somehow involved or knows information that could lead Desiree to Kyron. I doubt we will get anything out of Terri, but maybe other witnessess will lead us to SZ or to other people who might have been involved. Subject Zero may even be be called to testify.. maybe he isn’t on LE’s radar and is right under our nose.