Kyron Horman Missing Case Breaking News: Remains Believed To Be Human Located Off Sauvie Island
Sauvie Island, Oregon-There are unconfirmed reports that a teenage boy fishing off of Sauvie Island located a human skull, and potentially other human body parts.
Update 1: As referenced on KOIN, a teenage fisherman believes he snagged a scalp with human hair attached, which he originally thought was horse hair. Columbia County detectives cordoned off the scene last evening and MCSO dive teams entered the water but found nothing. The possible “hair” was sent for testing.
Multnomah County Sheriff Office will not comment on the find, or confirm whether their office has facilitated the removal of same, or forwarded any items to the medical examiner for testing.
Following the disappearance of Kyron Horman, Sauvie Island has been the subject of repeated searchers for the missing Skyline second grader with no results.
It is also the former home of a man considered to be Federal fugitive following a confrontation with a Lincoln City officer with nearly fatal results. Officer Steven Dodds was able to return to duty after extensive rehabilitation.
Durham was a Sauvie Island resident for over 6 years and a volunteer fire fighter until he was removed from duty 6 months prior to the shooting.
David Durham’s dog was recovered injured following what appeared to be an accident in the suspects vehicle and is being cared for by a friend of the family. Mr. Durham has not been seen since his vehicle was recovered in the bay town of Waldport, Oregon.
Please check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates to this breaking story.
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Also that chop shop could have done away with what Kyron left in
Fast
Idahogal says:
August 21, 2012 at 11:40 am
I definitely believe that there were at least 3 white trucks that morning: KH’s, Stenson’s, and someone else’s, maybe RS or DAD, because they both had white trucks too. It is so dang complicated!
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@Idahogal … I haven’t posted in ages, but back in the day, when we had the original conversation about the truck”s”, it was my theory that there were 2 white trucks and 1 vehicle … I still believe that there was more than one SZ that morning … one to wisk Kyron away and the second to trial TH …
Was Terri some how involved with the chop shop
Maybe targeting cars
Could be I guess
The people at the chop shop ,who are they?
RS thought he had something on Terri
She called LE
T. Ruth says: August 21, 2012 at 12:18 pm
http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom/081110_PressConferenceFlier.pdf
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I find it interesting that the flyer has a silver SUV parked at the far end of the Fred Meyer parking lot (has red overlay around tires) and has a similar silver SUV parked on the south side of the parking lot. The questions in the flyer almost sound like they are addressing the owner/driver of this SUV.. saying “did you park your car here?”
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RedRose says: August 21, 2012 at 11:30 am re: Terri’s FB page
This is Terri’s FB page, as I looked through all of her photos dating back to 2008, read the comments accompanying the photos, clicked on those people’s links, and saw that they (more than 25) are still friends with Terri and/or friends with both Terri and Kaine. This is where I saw that Dede’s brother owns an extended cab white pickup truck. I did, however, think it strange that Dede would leave the picture of her brother’s white pickup truck in her photos.. playing with us?
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RedRose says: August 21, 2012 at 11:23 am re: baby car seat
I didn’t think of this… starting to sound to complicated.
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bumble says: August 21, 2012 at 2:19 pm
“Perhaps there was not so much a discussion as much as instructions?”
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Exactly! I think Terri (if she had anything to do with it) was following instructions… not giving them!
Are people absoluely positive that DAD was NOT in the vicinity of Skyline that morning? -maybe even with hair in a ponytail and stuffed under a cap?, so all you saw was a “tall” person?
Has LE asked any of the people on that list if they knew DAD? It is a fairly small community, after all.
DAD’s brother. And his brother’s wife? Is anybody watching them at all? It’s hard to believe that DAD hasn’t been in touch with them in any way, or that they haven’t casually discussed him with any of their friends.
I always wonder if he made it to CA or Mexico (like Christian Longo did) or if he was “captured”, “incorporated into” or “done away with” by the pot growers who hang out in the National Forests in the Coast Range. If any of those are the case, we might never know. But it seems to me that he has to be connected since he got into that big panic. Does anybody know if he is in anyway a child molester (maybe undiscovered previously??)?
@Idahogal says: August 21, 2012 at 11:40 am
I definitely believe that there were at least 3 white trucks that morning: KH’s, Stenson’s, and someone else’s, maybe RS or DAD, because they both had white trucks too. It is so dang complicated!
Why would she park her truck at the way, waaay, far end of either Freddy store and then carry the baby waaaay across the parking lot to go through the store as fast as she could to make an alibi. Makes no sense.
I have to say that almost every other truck I see out here is a white whatever. There are billions of them (give or take a billion). Also tons of gray or silver cars.
Logically, wouldn’t she have parked closer?
The only people I know who park that far away from ANYthing have brand new cars or trucks and don’t want any dings on the doors.
and she sure would have not left the baby.
So, does LE have the surveillance(sp) film of her going through the checkout? Did anyone at the school notice that Kiara was a “crying baby” while TH was there?
Whatever she is hiding or is scared of must be really BIG. I also often wonder just how much Kaine knew, or may have also been involved in and that’s why he is controlling how much information gets out.
–all for an innocent little boy who had to pay the price.
@T. Ruth says:August 21, 2012 at 12:18 pm
They obviously aren’t looking for the Horman Truck if the view is from Terri’s parking space. However, they could be looking for a similar truck, but then, why put the car in the picture?
http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom/081110_PressConferenceFlier.pdf
I am really interested in finding more information on Dede’s brother…my feeling is that for Kyron to follow instructions as to go
to the truck by someone, it had to be someone he had seen before, had contact before or something…even if he felt uncomortable, a part of him must have trusted him in some way…I just can’t imagine Kyron
following directions from a total stranger…who might have a white truck similar to Kaine, and knows both Dede and Terri enough that
he would agree on such an evil act against a child. Hmmmmmmm!
Curious and would like to know who ratted out Dede when the police did that raid on her place.
I remember seeing it on the news and it was one of those surprises that somehow didn’t really seem connected to other information available at the time.
Is she all lawyered up now? Wonder if she might have more information if they decided to call her for the civil trial against TMH.
Does she have a Facebook page, too?
@Amys Sister says:August 21, 2012 at 12:33 pm
http://www.kgw.com/news/Sheriff-to–100446244.html
It is interesting that Dede has missing time, her cousin went public with information about Kyron possibly being on family property, her last boyfriend (whose father is a pedophile and actively involved in a Mexican orphange)went public in an odd way, and her brother has a similar white truck. Lots of strange coincidences from that direction.
Just thinking of things LE may have already thought of, hopefully:
People out here know the I-5 Corridor (MEX to CA through OR and WA to CA with stops inbetween) is a major Drug Corridor.
People up in the Skyline area were nervous about police searches that might include their “special” gardens.
Maybe KH and TH were involved in drugs or work-out pills big time and don’t want to get caught; maybe they threatened to take Kiara, too. Maybe that’s why the FBI showed up so fast. Maybe they are/were working on a major drug thing.
@bumble says:August 21, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Malty says: August 21, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Perhaps he already had something really bad on her. Terri is not talking for some reason or other, be it Kyron’s disappearance or something else. She is worried about something.
Amys Sister says:
August 21, 2012 at 12:33 pm
http://www.kgw.com/news/Sheriff-to–100446244.html
It is interesting that Dede has missing time, her cousin went public with information about Kyron possibly being on family property, her last boyfriend (whose father is a pedophile and actively involved in a Mexican orphange)went public in an odd way, and her brother has a similar white truck. Lots of strange coincidences from that direction.
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Do you have a link to Dede’s cousin going public about Kyron being on her families property I have never read or even heard that mentioned before it is not mentioned in the article you linked.
This sickens me! I am proud to say I’m Catholic but do not condone what some priests have done. While it seems overwhelming, there are more good ones than bad.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-rastrelli/confessions-of-an-ex-priest-how-catholic-seminary-forms-victims-of-sexual-abuse-and-perpetrators-to-forgive_b_1785609.html?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-sb-bb%7Cdl34%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D195266
Amys Sister says:
August 21, 2012 at 12:33 pm
(snipped)
Based on reports Terri moved her truck from the school parking lot to the road in front of the school.
(snipped)
It is interesting that Dede has missing time, her cousin went public with information about Kyron possibly being on family property
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Amys Sis, point me in the right direction….
I’ve never seen a report that says Terri moved her truck, nor have I ever seen a report that Dede’s cousin said Kyron might be on family property. Help?
tightrope traversed?
how’s our ringmaster?
New article-
Snipped>>>>
PORTLAND – A judge in the civil lawsuit of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman has issued his decision not to grant a stay in the case and laid out rules for attorneys to gather evidence.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-judge-suspect-166960726.html
I think possible SZ was/is threatening Kiara. Although Terri loves Kyron I could see her putting her biological children first. I think it also would explain why she is allowing Kaine to keep Kiara without a fight. She thinks he can keep her safer. But the question is what does SZ have on Terri and what did Terri do to piss SZ off?
Evidence gathering to begin in Kyron Horman suit
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-judge-suspect-166960726.html
Judge in civil case writes Terri Horman is ‘suspect’ in Kyron case
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Judge-in-civil-case-writes-Terri-Horman-is-suspect-in-Kyron-case-166965376.html
Read judge’s ruling in Kyron Horman civil case PDF
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/kyron+judge+doc+821.pdf
http://bit.ly/PUw05j
TH is a suspect. Snipped from today’s article: A judge in the civil case against Terri Horman, the step-mother of missing boy Kyron Horman, issued an opinion on Tuesday in which he called Terri a “prime suspect” in the boy’s disappearance. Hopefully, the Opinion is issued soon, but I am guessing this might have to do with the need to provide notice to a target if there is a parallel investigation – civil and criminal.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Judge-in-civil-case-writes-Terri-Horman-is-suspect-in-Kyron-case-166965376.html
Kantor’s Opinion located at link below:
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-judge-suspect-166960726.html
Sad snip from the article: “The judge also wrote the passage of time without any indictment was “significant” and that would not likely overlap with any criminal prosecution.”
@puzzled. why did one trail TH? thx.
@Malty. I agree. I don’t think it crossed her mind
LE would believe RS without a poly & not her.
But the Detective
had a bad first marriage, from his pov.
RedRose says: August 21, 2012 at 11:30 am re: Terri’s FB page
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RedRose, When I try to search for Terri Moulton Horman on facebook, her page doesn’t come up.. but when I search some of her friend’s “friend lists” it does.. from there you can go to her photos, to see the comments her friends made on various pictures she posted. From there you can see who is still friends with her, including Dede’s page (where I saw the picture of her brother’s white extended cab pick up. Here is one friend of Terri’s to search via Facebook to find Terri’s Facebook page:
Richelle Correa https://www.facebook.com/richelle.correa?ref=ts
While searching through the 25+ people (still friends with Terri)who commented on Terri’s pictures, I see that a majority of them have nothing on their timeline for 2010 but do the years prior and after.
I also noted after looking at all Terri’s pictures and captions she wrote that accompanied them, that their clan (Kaine, Terri and all three children) seems so happy and active. So many smiles and activities… hard to believe Terri could harm a child… this is so confusing!
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/kyron+judge+doc+821.pdf
I hope this link works, if not this can be found at KGW.com. Judge Kantor reportedly called Terri a prime suspect, who knows if that’s just sensationalistic reporting or what.
Terri Horman deposition, document production is delayed in Desiree Young’s civil suit, judge rules
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/08/terri_horman_deposition_docume.html
Last week, a judge denied the motion by Kyron’s stepmother Terri Horman to delay the civil lawsuit filed against her by the boy’s mother Desiree Young.
Judge Henry Kantor referred to her as a “prime suspect” in the investigation, although Terri Horman has never been formally named a suspect in any criminal case.
MORE: Read the judge’s ruling (PDF)
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-judge-suspect-166960726.html
First comment of the kgw article –
C.W. Jensen
wow… terri is a prime suspect. who saw that coming?
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If you aren’t familiar with the name, C.W. Jensen is a retired Portland officer who comments regularly on shows like Nancy Grace about what he thinks may be going on, etc. – not that he particularly has any definite information. He apparently couldn’t resist a bit of sarcasm.
January says:
August 21, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Yes, exactly. We know what car you drive, we know you were here, but we don’t know who you are, but…..we’re getting closer. That flyer was distributed at the news conference, as opposed to being handed out around the neighborhoods or any of the roads where the other one with Dede & Terri’s pics on them. I could be wrong of course, but I’m thinking that LE is thinking that is the description of SZ’s car. If LE is looking for an accomplice, why in the hell don’t they just come out and say so? That’s what I don’t get. One would think with all this stuff they’ve put out, SZ (accomplice?) already knows they’re looking for him and is scared. DAD?
IDK, but why not just say so?!
Well, I can tell from the online comments starting to build in all the usual places that people are not getting the difference between Judge Kantor saying in his order for a civil case that she is the prime suspect versus the DA or LE announcing that she is and relating it to a criminal case. I think he did the right thing to balance her rights with Desiree’s at this point.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Judge-in-civil-case-writes-Terri-Horman-is-suspect-in-Kyron-case-166965376.html
(snipped)
In the ruling released Tuesday, Judge Henry Kantor weighed a request from Terri’s lawyers to halt the civil case because Terri might be required to incriminate herself during a deposition or a trial. That could violate her constitutional rights.
After weighing several factors, Kantor ruled that the case should move forward, although Terri herself will not immediately be required to provide any testimony or evidence.
Young’s lawyers will be allowed to dig for evidence and get depositions for anyone related to the case except Terri, Kantor ruled.
He wrote that delaying a deposition from Terri is “significantly less prejudicial to both sides.”
In the meantime, he asked lawyers from both sides to consider several questions about how the delay should be handled and then report back to him.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/08/terri_horman_deposition_docume.html#incart_river_default
Blink,
Looking forward to the new post.
My deepest sympathies to you and your family.
Thank you Lauren
B
aaaahhhhh, having now read OLive, I understand your not publishing yet.
But I suggest the Judge’s 7 page writing (or headscratching & brainstorming, whatever it is),
merits a whole separate article from the suit & investigation.
Imo Q1 is nutso; he can rewrite the OR Rules of Civil Procedure?
And Q2 follows hard behind it.
Could you picture me busy at my desk typing away and then metaphorically doing my Stephen J. Cannell impression?
Cause I did. WTF on the whole shabang.
B
if I were Houze/Bunch I would with respect reply to these 3 unprofessional (imo)
questions and maintain the written posture that the interests of justice for all parties require an abatement.
his Q1 substantiates that case outcome at present. He acknowledges she can’t answer the complaint.
His Q2 acknowledges it is a criminal charge Desiree has made.
To answer his questions is to acceed this trial is possible now.
I think it is worth reading the actual court order. I had trouble with the link from one news report, but this one worked. I’m providing in case anyone has the same problem.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/08/terri_horman_deposition_docume.html
The link was actually in one of the comments:
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/kyron+judge+doc+821.pdf
I think this is fascinating – usually legal stuff seems so cut and dried to me (just my view, of course). Seems to me the answers to the 3 questions should come from Houze and at this point she doesn’t need another attorney for the civil case, but waiting to hear what others here think.
The judge has asked attorneys for each side to consider three questions and report back to him:
1/ Should the court require Horman to file an answer to Young’s complaint which admits or denies the allegations or simply allow Horman to litigate as if she denied those allegations? If so, by when and for how long?
2/Should the plaintiff be required to establish “reasonable suspicion” or “probable cause” that Horman has done what is alleged through other evidence before Horman is required to answer oral or written deposition questions under oath?
3/ Should Young be required to serve written deposition questions for court review before taking Horman’s oral deposition?
Once attorneys for both sides consider these questions, Kantor wrote that he will meet with the lawyers to form a schedule and plan for the civil case.
Coming off reading, I could not bear to go on after p 4, I am reminded of what a skilled surgeon Dr Dan Martin rhetorically said to me once about my other (inferior) surgical experiences tho with practice chiefs of 2 teaching hospitals. He said, tell me where they trainef & I can the you the surgery they do. I feel, my
opinion, where and how this Judge was trained shows, sorry. No Sporkin he.
forgot the ruling url
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/kyron+judge+doc+821.pdf
credit to OLive commenter
mcso, after all this time, finally makes a statement on Kyron’s investigation.
And what is that statement but a disowning of a civil judge’s bungled (imo) writing skills
due to the “prime suspect” thing.
To make clear, I have no quarrel with Judge’s rulings;
but, I feel his judicial reasoning &writing skills are in bottom third
of class, that’s all. A good personality & humor & civility & showing up
on time probably go further with voters.
fyi
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puzzled says:
August 21, 2012 at 3:00 pm
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@Idahogal … I haven’t posted in ages, but back in the day, when we had the original conversation about the truck”s”, it was my theory that there were 2 white trucks and 1 vehicle … I still believe that there was more than one SZ that morning … one to wisk Kyron away and the second to trial TH …
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@Rose
why did one trail TH? thx.
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Maybe to leave a ransom note.
This SZ who has something big bad on Terri ,helps plan to trade trucks,
Grab Kyron , meet at FM , trade trucks
Then what? Happens next ?
I tried to answer the judge’s 3 questions – wondering if the rest of you did. On my first try, I came up with:
1 – I think Terri should be assumed, without requiring a formal answer, to deny the allegations unless she chooses to make a statement otherwise within 30 days of the judge’s decision on this. If she stays silent and submits no statement, then there should be a deadline for when she may submit a statement determined by the judge.
2 – No. If the plaintiff has to establish reasonable suspicion or probably cause before Terri is required to answer under oath, that seems like requiring a trial result before the trial is over. Once the suit was allowed, it should be allowed to cross the finish line. If Terri wishes to plead the 5th, she can, and likely will, do that anytime. Just my opinion.
3 – I see no problem on Desiree’s part with submitting to the court the questions to be asked of Terri, however, I’m not sure why since it’s up to Terri and her attorney whether to plead the 5th. I don’t see why the judge should be able to say yea or nay to an individual question without Terri’s attorney formally objecting, but maybe that’s allowed. I don’t think Terri can pick and choose what to answer – if she answers some questions, doesn’t she lose her right in the civil trial to plead the 5th on others? Thinking I read that recently – need to find that again. If that’s her intention (the 5th), they could ask her to recite the alphabet and it wouldn’t matter – neither would a list given to the judge in advance.
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I know we mentioned a long time ago that if someone testified to the GJ and then was deposed for the civil case, and told different stories, they might be in danger of a perjury charge. It does not appear to me, however, that a witness being questioned can take the 5th to avoid self-incrimination just in case they say something different. Surely the difference would have to be factual and of some importance to even be considered, and would have to be dealt with after the GJ information is released, if ever. At this point, I’m not too sympathetic about that anyway.
The really interesting thing to think about now regarding the depositions is who and in what order. Maybe it doesn’t matter, but you have to hope that some statements will lead not only to information, but to more questions which can be answered.
My big question is why aren’t these people
Looking for SZ Where is he?
how could he leave no trail or sign at all
However I think Terri had her self into some
Illegal activity long before
Some SZ took Kyron
I think he acted alone
MOO
Prime suspect will not dry-age, according to the Judge Kanter. Terri Horman won’t have to endure being ‘hooked up’ in near freezing temperatures while enzymes dissolve stubborn connective tissue and drain the juices out of those ample layers of fat and muscle.
Probably wasn’t that sustainable anyway.
ER says the Judge’s writing is not a finding.
Imo the writing is partially the legal reasoning supporting his findings
that the defendant’s motions for a stay and to preclude James’ depo
were denied. In his reasoning which adopted a “balancing test”
(everybody’s test he says), he accepts as true the defendant’s argument
Terri is a prime suspect. In so doing, imo he just laid the groundwork for
appeal of the stay drnial.
I am surprised nobody caught they “for purchase” snafu, lol.
B
However Dede has no real account of her time
And I really wonder about her
MOO
Updated article from KGW, Judge has named TH a prime suspect:
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-judge-suspect-166960726.html
Snip>>>>
Judge Henry Kantor referred to her as a “prime suspect” in the investigation, although Terri Horman has never been formally named a suspect in any criminal case.
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Here is a link to the judge’s ruling filed with the court:
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/kyron+judge+doc+821.pdf
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My post from yesterday #8 6:17 pm is still in mod, resubmitting link in case it didn’t get through:
PORTLAND – A judge in the civil lawsuit of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman has issued his decision not to grant a stay in the case and laid out rules for attorneys to gather evidence.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-judge-suspect-166960726.html
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Thinking of you, Blink, love and prayers friend. xo
Could you picture me busy at my desk typing away and then metaphorically doing my Stephen J. Cannell impression?
LOL, yes and I miss Cannell’s writing!
Rose says:
August 21, 2012 at 6:48 pm
@puzzled. why did one trail TH? thx.
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My theory goes that a “vehicle” followed TH to the FM parking lot … And that was where she learned of Ky’s kidnapping … Not suggesting it was pre-planned
Okay, now I’ve read all these articles, the judge’s latest ruling, and listened to various media outlets. I think that I have a grasp of what all this means, and it is such a mess.
The civil suit is going forward but TH does not have to do anything for an unknown length of time. LE will not provide DY with anything to assist in the civil suit. Will any LE be subpoenaed or deposed in the civil suit? Is that allowed? @Rose, I’ll bet you can answer that, you are a fountain of great info.
Also, watched this video and discussion with another criminal defense attorney, found his comments helpful:
http://www.kptv.com/story/19335281/new-documents-detail-judges-opinion-in-terri-horman-lawsuit
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@puzzled- Hey there, good to hear from you again. Yes, I do recall ALL of the truck discussions and theories, I have about 400 pages of notes, oy!