Nittany Nightmare Continues Past Sandusky: Former President Spanier Charged- NEW Charges for Curley and Schultz Filed
Happy Valley- PA On the heels of convicted child molester Jerry Sandusky’s transfer to his new home, what most predicted would follow- has.
Former Penn State President Graham Spanier, fired by the Penn State Board of Trust the same day as legendary late-Nittany Lions Coach Joe Paterno, is facing serious charges today filed by Sandusky’s prosecutors.
Spanier is facing counts of obstruction of justice, perjury, conspiracy, endangering the welfare of children and failure to report allegations of child abuse.
Tim Curley and Gary Schultz, who were facing perjury and charges based on “non-reporting”, are now facing all five similar charges as Spanier- additional filings occurred simultaneously.
Linda L. Kelly stated the men “used their positions to conceal and cover up for years the activities of a known child predator,” on Thursday following the announcement.
Please check back to www.blinkoncrime for this developing story.
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erose, I’m glad you posted the link below. It is another good example of how Lee likes to showcase his work with kids, with no dates indicated, on his website.
In fact, Tarbuk graduated from PSU in 2004, and seems to have left the entire field of education in 2005. Hmm . . . wonder if that is a coincidence?
Nevertheless, Lee is now trying to restart these types of activities, with a new “generation” of school principals, etc.
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erose says:
May 29, 2013 at 12:59 pm
Another example of Lee’s involvement and that of PSU.
Exciting New “Active Learning” Tour
Inaugurated for Fifth Graders (and other ages)
Instead of being taught history, they learned it for themselves, at a series of six learning stations throughout the Museum, newly and specially devised by a local teacher, Penn State education intern Eva Tarbuk and Boal Mansion Museum CEO Christopher Lee.
In the front hall, eighth generation Boal family member Christopher Lee helped the children choose tools and attitudes with which to climb the ladder of success, modeled on those used by nine generations of Boals.
http://www.boalmuseum.com/activetour.html
good insight lizzie
I’m sorry, but I don’t agree. The coverage of the incident was extensive. Parents would know and his environment does not create a condition where, because of it, he would be alone with children. We can compare him to Sandusky. Sandusky was involved in social activities exclusively aimed at children; Lee’s are aimed at families that may include children, but are more likely to be aimed at adults. Sandusky gravitated to children socially. I have seen no evidence Lee has.
As pointed out previously, the DA’s Office did not use grand juries very often and there was no presentment. Lee may or may not be on the DPW abuse listing.
Again, even if there was an incident prior to 4/15/05, it might not have been presented to the DA’s Office at that point. Schreffler indicated he did it to prevent any interference from the PSU administration. Other police departments might not have found a need to do so.
In any event, Gricar was not present when charges were filed and Lee, or anyone else, would have no idea who the next DA would be when the case was adjudicated. That creates a problem linking Gricar’s disappearance to it.
Sandusky’s grooming was directed at the children. He projected a public image that helped cover that up, but that was not grooming.
JJ, on the Gricar connection, we just do not know. However, I would disagree with you that gj were rarely used considering I believe Sandusky was the subject of at least 3 of them prior to being indicted and you have not addressed the dated in the docket i referenced.
The Lee issue may not be related, but even if not, I respectfully disagree with your assessment of grooming.
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Wainwright looks like someone who moved to Town & joined every org in sight to run for Congress
http://www.boalmuseum.com/memorial-day-in-the-village.html
Rose and Lizzy, Thank you for making the point I struggled with. I deleted a post last night that said Lee was using the mansion to troll for children. Your way was much better.
btw, Here is how the Boals (Lee’s maternal side) is related to Columbus.
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Mathilde Boal was named for her paternal grandmother, who was related to Christopher Columbus.
The Lees and the Boals had been close family friends for years. Mr. Lee was a direct descendant of Richard Henry Lee, a signer of the Declaration of Independence, and Francis Preston Blair Sr., a confidant of Presidents Andrew Jackson and Abraham Lincoln.
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-08-13/news/bs-md-ob-mathilde-lee-20110812_1_first-lady-canoe-direct-descendant
Rose, Where did you get these names?
Rose says:
May 29, 2013 at 5:41 pm
new names? are Kriner & Wainwright Lee pals? I don’t know about the Boals, but the Lees have been going down the ladder for a few.
working the Tour stations, good retirees that they are:
http://www.boalmuseum.com/activetour.html
personally imo Lee is escalating prepubescent male contacts, now that
last pol race is behind him.
OT: as a 28 yr observer of Mr Lee IV’s County’s party politics,
it is hard to imagine a self-proclaimed political commentator
less relevant in the last decade plus to the Md Dem party, less impactful,
and less self-aware of his marginal place in the sun.
if Mr Kriner was a middle school principal in State College (Mt Nittany?), he knew Mr Sandusky.
Also very involved in Elks & BSA. Lamentably his 53 yo son died a couple years ago,
so his age must be advanced. Apparently keeps his hand in with middle school field trip station at the Mansion.
imo the disappearance of Mr Gricar remains a great puzzle. To me that tips to foul play of a professional ilk.
The Attorney General’s Office indicated that there were no previous grand juries. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/01/pa-ag-denies-penn-state-board-of-trustees-claim-on-sex-scandal/
I was actually hoping that Gricar had tried to use a grand jury in 1998, and couldn’t get an indictment.
I’m looking at the Chamber’s Report, and I’m not seeing that Lee is engaging in similar activities, or could, within the context of his position. He seems very adult oriented in his activities, as opposed to Sandusky.
JJ, then that article is wrong, it is specifically listed in Sandusky’s indictment and I would have to re-review but also the Freeh report, iirc. What is the Chamber’s Report?
JJ, I have spent the last 2 years in advanced degree education with specificity in criminal serial sexual offenders subtext sexual deviance. I have also been trained in what I will loosely call the different profiles of child molesters directly by the FBI BAU section chief for same- Roy Hazlewood (r) and Ken Lanning (r).
Lanning, in my opinion is the world’s expert and I can tell you that the bulk of our laws to date we owe to his studies and work. There are 3 cold cases in my private practice I have been working on for 2 years involving incidents of child sexual abuse that has shocked even me. Through my training, education and experience I can adamantly state that your view of a pedophile, specifically Lee, is absolutely incorrect if you are evaluating same without the proper knowledge base. I am not making you wrong for that, I don’t expect everyone to be an expert in this vast wealth of knowledge I mostly wish I never had to learn.
I am in no way saying that out of hubris. I say it out of responsibility and integrity for my work and my site reflecting some of same. I say it because I read posts like yours and it reminds me why so much child sex abuse goes unreported and when we are framing that in context with a man that took advantage of such mindsets for over 30 years and what I believe to be at least triple digit victims, I have to call it out for them. I have to stand for breaking that cycle.
Sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children is a deviant disorder and I do not care what any psych professional ever says differently, there is no therapeutic treatment or rehabilitative protocol for it’s cure to date.
In short, regardless of appearances, if an individual is a pedophile they are likened to a petty thief casing a prospective heist whenever they are around whatever child type their arousal proclivities are attracted to.
Depending on the individual pedo profile, some will act on that, others will not, but I can tell you that if one has already, there is a 100% chance the possibility exists they may, and likely will, given the right set of circumstances as they perceive them when the opportunity is available.
It will likely also surprise you to know that according to the FBI training and education protocols for same, that the criminal serial pedophile sexual offender has the most similar traits to the criminal serial sadistic/ritualistic sexually violent offender profile. Which btw, is also non treatable in their view.
B
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/05/mother-of-sex-abuse-victims-accuses-250-of-pedophilia-in-suit/
Don’t want to argue, but being in the middle of many parent networks in the area (sports, music, schools, etc), I can assure you that most parents here DON’T know. And most of those that have heard something are under the impression that he was cleared of charges.
But, yes, he would still have to put forth a little time and effort to be “alone” with a child.
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J. J. in Phila says:
May 29, 2013 at 9:42 pm
I’m sorry, but I don’t agree. The coverage of the incident was extensive. Parents would know and his environment does not create a condition where, because of it, he would be alone with children.
Rose, As per my previous post (May 29, 2013 at 6:42 pm), Tarbuk graduated in 2004, making that “active tour” article 9 years old. So, not post-election, but in fact, prior to the reported/charged incident.
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Rose says:
May 30, 2013 at 12:24 am
The local “list” http://www.homefacts.com/offenders/Pennsylvania/Centre-County/State-College.html More appear if you expand the region to include other local municipalities.
While there are some offenders on the list of whom it is important to be aware, the laws and their application are flawed.
For example, offenders who allegedly commit offenses against children but are allowed to plead guilty to alternate offenses to “save the children from testifying” will never appear on this list. I am aware of others besides Lee who could be considered in this category, including some since Parks Miller is the DA, and including those who were only concerned with protecting their own interests and were assuredly not concerned about the children.
On the other side, there are those like this woman. It seems she certainly did abscond with her own children to San Antonio in violation of a custody order (or at least didn’t come back for scheduled visitation), but she was scarcely hiding. She appeared in two seasons of Cupcake Wars, and posted on Facebook that she was relocating her shop to San Antonio. She’s had limited real business success, but is a creative baker. The story of her divorce, custody battles, living in local shelters with her children, etc, were more widely reported than Lee’s offenses, although the more recent kidnapping story didn’t get much press. At any rate, Shaunda Hopkins (Lohse) is apparently on the list as a registered sex offender for 15 years due to her custody violation. http://extras.altoonamirror.com/Crimes/Documents/hopkins.pdf
While the complaints against Sandusky may have come up in Juniata College’s background check, he certainly never appeared on this list from 2008 to 2011.
So, how helpful are these registries, really, in terms of information about those that may be a danger to my children? (in practice as opposed to in concept)
thanks for correcting my thinking on dates Lizzy.
Lee is still actively recruiting minor student docents this year. http://www.boalmuseum.com/student-docents.html
Note the following phrases on the page:
“Students age 14 and older (some exceptions for younger students)”
“bring your Mom (and Dad, or come alone) for a special free orientation tour”
“Sunday, May 5, 2013, 1:30 to 3:00 pm.”
“docent parties”
“meet young people visiting from France”
“Ultimate Frisbee with Boal Barn apprentices and a couple of visiting French counts”
etc
It all sounds great, and honestly, it’s just the kind of thing for which I’d otherwise let my kid sign up. Local middle schools and high schools require community service.
So, no, the docents are NOT mostly retirees and college students. They may, however, be post-pubescent for the most part.
Blink, this was the statement of the AG’s Office, about prior grand juries. Some BoT members thought that Baldwin referred to earlier investigation, but they misheard or misunderstood her. The story was in response to claims that the BOT was told that there were 3-4 other grand jury investigation.
The AG’s Office spokesperson said: “It’s not true.”
Lanny Davis, the BoT spokesman said: “They can’t remember. They’re confused, they thought it was three or four investigations, but can’t remember whether they were told three or four investigations or grand jury investigations.” Those quotes are from the story.
It was something that I was looking at because it might have explained why Gricar didn’t prosecute. There was no record of a grand jury, no report at the DA’s Office on it and no ADA ever claimed there was one.
Again, the pattern with Sandusky is quite different than from Lee, and I would note that, even three years after the fact, there was a story in the local paper about it.
Have you read the presentment? It’s in there. You have no basis to describe the difference in Sandusky’s pattern v Lee’s- how could you possibly support that? In fact, they are eerily similar.
I do not understand what you mean about 3 yrs later there is a story in the paper. Respectfully, you base a great deal of your opinions on press, or unverified information and not personal research.
B
in addition to Kriner, middle school principal retiree & State College Elk leadership, here’s another Leadership State College Elk: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/11/16/v-print/130460/sanduskys-lawyer-amendola-is-now.html
Another Lee Presidency, another youth fishing pond:
http://www.afm660.org/photos.html
Mtgs held @ Boal Mansion.
Kolvachik was band teacher at Kriner’s State College Middle
http://www.personal.psu.edu/kdc3/KimCookWebsite/website_text/AmericanFederationofMusiciansJuly2009.pdf
(OT, Nina DeC p 4 is great & moving on up. in a small program with my kid in Hi Sch. In addition to sports coaching, is no better way for the odd old to mix with the below 18 young than music settings.)
Have ya heard…
2012 AAAC Legacy Awards Recipients
H. Jesse Arnelle / Cynthia A. Baldwin Outstanding Alumni Award – This award honors alumni who have made significant overall contributions and services to the African American community at Penn State, and / or the public at large.
Recipient: Kenneth Frazier ‘75 – Chairman, President and CEO of Merck
http://www.psublackalumni.com/honorees/
Back in Feb. a special prosecutor (Reeder) was appointed to investigate the GJ, but I missed the Apr. appointment of a second (Kenneth Brown), from the Inspector General’s Office. Isn’t that Baldwin’s old stomping grounds under Zimmerman? The leaks have to do with Sandusky, Bonusgate, Turnpike and Casino, all subjects we have explored. This might get interesting.
Understanding the investigation of the Sandusky grand jury
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/02/special_prosecutor_named_to_st.html
Jerry Sandusky case: Second investigator named to assist with review of alleged grand jury leaks
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/04/second_investigator_named_to_a.html
Another update. On the sports page, sigh.
The Sports XchangeReuters
12:36 p.m. CDT, May 29, 2013
Representatives of former Penn State coach Joe Paterno’s family will file a new lawsuit against the NCAA that will be announced Wednesday night on NBC Sports Network’s “Costas Tonight”
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/sns-rt-fbc-pennstate-newssxc49c0a1-20130529,0,290897.story
I watched that Costas. I continue to be impressed by his knowledge of the Sandusky case overall and The NCAA/Paterno clash. I really do not believe that the paterno’s have any standing in the matter except to preserve the obvious equity in their estate- For me this goes back to JoePa’s own words. He wished he had done more, He thought he did the appropriate thing according to protocol and I truly believe McCreary was vague enough in his conversation with him that he did not grasp the emergence or depth of the situation.
That said as much as it pains me to say so, and I am on record I have been a proud fan of the man for as long as I can remember, it was his program to protect regardless of whatever level of understanding he was able to come to about that shower incident.
Unless there is more evidence that has never been made public to the contrary, I do feel 61 years of service and battling lung cancer deserved more than a phone call from the board.
B
Almost @50% scroll. First time I’ve seen Spanier and Lee associated. I guess Spanier’s band is in the AMF.
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Back row, L-R: Music Association President Christopher Lee and Scholarship Chairman John Kovalchik
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Grahm Spanier, Tom Mallouk, John Kovalchik, Chris Byrne, and Gary Brubaker perform on August 24 at SOZO.
LOL @50% scroll erose. Did I publish that pic previously or forget I had it again?
B
Top Musicians Assemble for
“Listen to the Music” Free-for-All
At Cafe 210, from 2-5 pm on September 27, 2009, AFM 660 held its “Listen to the Music” event, a jam session and showcase for members and non-members. A very reasonable $3 door fee for non-union members (and no fee for union members) will cover cartage and a donation to the Olin Butt scholarship fund for high school students.
“This region needs musicians of the highest quality to enhance the quality of life and serve our local economy as an attraction,” explains AFM 660 President Chris Lee. “We’re bringing musicians and audiences together to communicate and to help make that happen.”
At a previous “Listen to the Music” party, musicians included (L-R), Ronnie Burrage – drums, Mike Dougherty – bass,
PSU President Graham Spanier – washboard, Chris Byrne – flute, Carl Ector – violin, and Arthur Goldstein – keyboard.
http://www.afm660.org/news.html
@Blink. I believed he had standing only to ncaa penalties impacting him personally (altering his coaching record)…ditto for former players win record, tho arguably that’s only the U’s.
He apparently knew Jerry was a distasteful nutcase so shoukd have given McCready’s weekend perturbation more time & interest to protect his program. He apparently thought barring 2nd Mile kids from campus with Jerry sufficed.
Blink, yes, I read the presentments, plural, of both Sandusky’s and Spanier’s. Nothing on other grand juries and nothing that I would call similar.
Sandusky had a history of involvement with a charity involving children, principally and almost exclusively. Lee’s activities do not show that.
Sandusky’s activities focused on work, football, and his children’s charity, TSM. The latter grew to overshadow his work and we know why.
Lee’s interest seem to be the business, the Mansion, and politics. Neither of those involve children, principally. Perhaps you should list the points of similarities. I am honestly not seeing it.
I believe you are not, but my friend, that is the point. If you don’t know, you can’t conclude- You can’t profile folks without the education training and experience to do so. There are likely thousands of things or situations I am not qualified to weigh in on. So-I never do.
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@JJ-PA. You are far too smart and an abstract, detail-oriented thinker, for this member of the chattering class to think you truly believe Sandusky’s involvement in TSM & foster care differentiates him from other pedophiles.
In addition to TSM, his volunteerism with youth athletics– both wrestling & football — and other civic clubs played as great a role as TSM imo.
IMO it is rare for a pedophile to use his own founded childrens’ charity for victim development. Imo it’s most often the pillar of the community, a beloved figure, who engages in activities that bring children in his path. scouts, elks, civitan ( think jr civitan), rotary, music coaching, church clubs or choirs, any kind of club which has junior groups, , sports coaching, a firld trip business like science or bridge building or robotics that goes to schools (think grades 2-6), etc. I find The Mansion & its programs the perfect site to create an aura of respect around someone in the context of frequently engaging–as he says–hundreds of children. Add to that musical evenings in his home. And the many children a campaining politician runs into (google images christopher lee for campaign images with children). This could be your banker, stockbroker, local volunteering attorney, PSU Board member. The point with Lee is he was caught, with more than one child, and pead his way out, terming that expedient. Imo
it was to avoid SO status.
Middle & High School Student docents age 14 up, some younger
http://www.boalmuseum.com/student-docents.html
student field trip tours & inclass room talks (imo the latter is Lee)
http://www.boalmuseum.com/
I cannot imagine grades 7 up on such a field trip.
“refreshments for hundreds of young volunteers”—
http://www.boalmuseum.com/home-2013feb20.html
Christopher Lee (upper left) presented the Colonel Theodore Davis Boal for Community Service Award to Nancy Crane (center) of State College “for her enthusiastic, positive-minded support of programs at the Boal Mansion Museum, including serving on the Centre County Columbus Celebration board and providing refreshments for hundreds of young volunteers.” says a little further Paterno was on his Board at one time.
You may have, and I just “discovered” something I forgot. Old age.
LOL @50% scroll erose. Did I publish that pic previously or forget I had it again?
B
Finally, someone gets it. Bravo Prof Berube! (several profound, imo snips from a well written, thoughtful and on point article. Read it all if you can.)
Why I Resigned the Paterno Chair
“We Are … PISSED OFF.” Well, folks, the world has taken note of your pissed-offedness. And to much of that world, you might as well be wearing shirts that say, “Never mind what Sandusky did with those kids—we’re REALLY upset at what’s happened to US.”
In Sydney, watching coverage of the Sandusky trial on the Australian news, I imagined fleeing to Antarctica, only to be greeted by legions of penguins saying, “Good Lord, do you believe this Penn State mess?”
And we know that while the body of the report contains crucial details about the real scandal of the 1998 investigation, no one has cared to focus on those details. They may not have been part of Freeh’s commission, but they raise important questions about why the investigation was shut down, and they warrant attention. They tell a sorry story about local law enforcement and child services—but they don’t tell the full story.
What we do know is that everyone who had any knowledge of the 1998 investigation should have rung every available alarm, and gone to every appropriate authority, after McQueary reported what he saw in 2001. No one in the Penn State leadership did so, and that—not their responses three years earlier, when the district attorney sounded the all-clear—is what is unforgivable.
But those of us who live and work at Penn State, and who are most horrified and disgusted by these crimes, might yet be able to try to say that some of what has been said and written about Paterno has been unfair-even unhinged. And we might be able to say so while acknowledging that his failure to ensure Sandusky was stopped is more than enough to taint his legacy forever.
The NCAA will simply never intervene in a campus-related criminal matter like this again. Nor should it.
“Is this the opening of pandora’s box?” and “Other children?” Yes, Mr. Schultz, there were other children. Yes, it was Pandora’s box. We all wish you had followed up on those questions, and that taking such a step somehow would have prevented Sandusky from gaining access to any more young boys. It’s their lives that should have been everyone’s first concern. Surely, in that light, the fate of the Paterno chair recedes into unimportance.
http://chronicle.com/article/Why-I-Resigned-the-Paterno/134944/?cid=cr
Erose- hands down the best piece I have read on the Sandusky nightmare and PSU fallout. It is written prior to Spanier indictment, but in my view would only serve to support it’s content.
The line about the non-existent Princeton Law School was hilarious.
He had me at “Shut up, that’s why.”
B
Check out the comments on this recent article. Now some of the comments have been removed, so I can only surmise that they are referring to C. Lee, but it seems logical given the article.
I didn’t see the comments before they were removed, but what remains are the assertions “No plea bargain, no pleading guilty to lesser charges. Nothing but innocent and case dismissed.”
Read more here: http://www.centredaily.com/2013/05/24/3627571/boalsburg-celebrates-149-year.html#storylink=cpy
That is incorrect entirely. I posted in response there, and included the docket number so everyone is free to research the issue in the public record.
B
Rose, I do see the “aura of respectability” aspect, which could be a cover for any criminal activity by any “respectable” person. Sydney Biddle Barrows and Budd Dwyer both come to mind. There are also people have the “aura of respectability” that are actually respectable.
In Sandusky’s case, he gravitated to activities, primarily TSM, that involved children. Even some of these others, coaching, as you mention, had direct and prolonged involvement with children, specifically boys of a certain age. While Lee’s activities could involve incidental contact with children, as most people would have, I’m not seeing any pattern of being drawn to children. That obviously wouldn’t preclude him from being a pedophile, but I’m not seeing a pattern either.
Likewise, there are people that may gravitate to children, but that have no improper intent.
Think of me as a juror. I’m willing to believe that someone can be “respectable” and be a pedophile; I’m willing to believe that these people are far more dangerous than a stranger. I would view with suspicion someone drawn to things that involve contact principally with children (unless their own children are involved), like a sports coach or scoutmaster. I’m just not seeing these things with Lee.
He was caught, you’re not supposed to.
B
@JJ-PA. I guess our differing points of view are I see Lee’s mansion activities
as being more programmatically directed to children , particularly middle schoolers,
and hands on on his part, than adults who may have a yearly Columbus Day festival
or episodic musicales, but not much else besides open for tours. The programming on line
is for kids. But as you are local, & I am not, I’ll defer to your judgement as to whether Lee surrounds
himself with the young thru Mansion, music jam sessions, & local clubs.
Read your comment in the CDT. Good for you, Blink. IDK what is it about this concept is so hard to understand, but hopefully you helped someone understand.
P.S. When I Googled that “Chair” article it came up in a two day search. My apologies for not checking date and presenting as current, but agree, it was excellent.
I had a local send me some other things that flew up my skirt toot sweet. This guy is unreal. So I adjusted my comment to include.
This was a criminal matter, not an “allegation”. He literally gave a statement about accepting a deal for ARD at the time. Does he think people cannot research this stuff ftlog?
I did not see the issue on dating the article erose, it was clear to me as I clicked on it, but again, I am rarely engaged in my own writing (Sigh) like I was on the chair piece.
B
wait a minute! Looking for comments in CDT (have you a url erose?), I stumbled on
http://www.centredaily.com/2013/05/08/3607890/judge-to-unseal-documents-in-case.html
Does this inform the same Judge who took the 3 Admins’ testimony, and let Baldwin the Bold
in that room with 2 psu employees without alerting them she had a conflict of
interest, is ruling on anything (even unsealing of that GJ’s transcripts) relevant to or in their criminal trials whose
charges arose from J Feudale’s grand jury investigation? If so, that’s unethical of the Judge imo.
@Rose, It was Lizzy’s link. I brought over the comment, cuz I think it’s great.
Blink On Crime
facts_based
Your moniker notwithstanding, your “facts” are incorrect and can be corrected simply by reviewing the docket in Mr. Lee’s criminal case. There was a plea bargain, it included downgrading of his original charges and completion of an ARD program as agreed to by Lee, and the commonwealth through DA Madeira. This occurred when a witness suddenly refused to testify at Lee’s arraignment. Lee filed for a partial expungement in 2009, but is just that, partial. I am leaving this comment and I sincerely hope the editors do not remove it as seems to be the case with some previous posters-
I have done so respectfully and I have done so because it astounds me that the community that had Second Mile outings at Lee’s Boal mansion, was devastated by folks looking the other way while Sandusky victimized young boys at the VERY TIME Lee was in court is willing to look the other way again. Again, this information is readily available to anyone by reading the court docket.
It is criminal case CP-14-CR-0001596-2005
It is a public record, the lower court docket number is also available on the above docket record so one can see the evolution of the reduction of charges as well.
ETF: I have read several sites regarding Lee and calling what were criminal charges against children. Repeat- criminal charges against children “allegations”. Let me be plain. Lee substantiated those allegations via plea, and was court ordered to complete an ARD program, community service, and undergo a mental health evaluation which had to be submitted under seal to the court.
You know a lot of people that are innocent, have charges dismissed because of same, and then are court ordered to complete ARD and the aforementioned and is assigned a probation officer and ordered to pay all the associated court fees?
The sites I have seen that either belong to Lee or are organized through his campaigns that are making such bogus claims about a substantial criminal matter should be prepared to address same in a transparent way- What does he think happens when you post lies publicly and seek campaign funds simultaneously?
Read more here: http://www.centredaily.com/2013/05/24/3627571/boalsburg-celebrates-149-year.html#storylink=cpy
@JJ, Your post #257. Do you have CRS, like me, lol, or are you in this for the spirit of the debate? There was so much information coming at us so hard and fast, I started doubting my own memory, until I stumbled on this. (Never doubt Blink.)
CDT is reporting that there were other grand juries, according to the board. Three others.
http://www.centredaily.com/2012/01/1…estigated.html
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7530310
A member of the Penn State Board of Trustees told the CENTRE (PA) DAILY TIMES Thursday that during an official briefing last May the Trustees were told by a Penn State lawyer that Jerry Sandusky had previously been the subject of four Grand Jury investigations.
Penn State Board of Trustees member Mark Dambly told the State College-area newspaper today:
“We were told in May of 2011, by Cynthia Baldwin, this was the fourth grand jury that was convened. The prior three led to no charges.”
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/psu-lawyer-4-sandusky-grand-jury-investigations-29958
Lol- I’ll bite erose. CRS?
That is correct, as I stated 3 prior GJ investigations and the 4th produced the indictment (presentment/true bill) but in fairness, I stated it was in the presentment, and it is not. There is an ambiguous statement in the intro that could be construed as the incidents occurred over a period of years, or the GJ investigated same over a period of years. So on that point, JJ was correct.
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JJ, Re-posting your statement. I now see the point you were trying to make, just saying the AG’s office denied the statement by the BOT member. Apologies for not reading your statement more closely. My bad.
J. J. in Phila says:
May 30, 2013 at 1:15 pm
Blink, this was the statement of the AG’s Office, about prior grand juries. Some BoT members thought that Baldwin referred to earlier investigation, but they misheard or misunderstood her. The story was in response to claims that the BOT was told that there were 3-4 other grand jury investigation.
The AG’s Office spokesperson said: “It’s not true.”
Lanny Davis, the BoT spokesman said: “They can’t remember. They’re confused, they thought it was three or four investigations, but can’t remember whether they were told three or four investigations or grand jury investigations.” Those quotes are from the story.
It was something that I was looking at because it might have explained why Gricar didn’t prosecute. There was no record of a grand jury, no report at the DA’s Office on it and no ADA ever claimed there was one.
Again, the pattern with Sandusky is quite different than from Lee, and I would note that, even three years after the fact, there was a story in the local paper about it.
@Blink, erose. Let’s not underestimate the likelihood
Baldwin gave a BOT briefing conveying incorrect
information about grand jury(s) & content thereof, inadvertantly.
Thanks JJ-PA for AG’s input.
Now where is Gricar?
ty for link erose. while Blink was good (the necessary piece being Court jacket no.),
Lizzy was great. “Facts” has so much “inside info,” if he’s not Lee, it’s his attorney.
In the old days, this level of PR surrounding an avoidance of litigating being found innocent
of charges would be called “snake oil.”
Can you imagine, what mom or dad feels inside a lad’s pjs to see if he was wet.
You feel the bed itself. Pee spreads. If the kid had testified, imo with a Judge as Trier of Fact he was
sure to loose imo.
he was wearing a pull up Rose- to add to the “intent” if you will. Was no need for him to check at all.
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lose
Can’t remember **it.
re a pullup, omg
how could Madiera let him plead?
Why Arnold begged off is beyond me,
even if she lived there & had to rub
elbows with his friends. Really most sex abuse prosecutors
wouldn’t ask for reassignment. It being a
neighbor would just motivate them. Something to
do with her respect for Gricar preferences imo.
She was fixing to run for DA, I believe she would have been running into him at the usual locations and are of like-party.
Lol, I was just conferenced on another matter with a lovely Southern gentleman and he uses the word frequently.
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Just a note, the Chambers Report was a report of Victim 6′s psychologist, Alycia A. Chambers, Ph D. She reported that Sandusky was exhibiting, “a likely pedophile’s pattern of building trust and gradual introduction of physical touch… .” She wrote it prior to the Seasock report and turned it over to Schreffler on 5/8/98 at about 12:30 PM.
The statement from some of those BoT members did state that they had been told about three other grand juries.
About 2-3 days after that, both the BoT spokesman and the AG’s office came out and said they were wrong, i.e., they misunderstood what was reported at the meeting. Spanier did not permit Baldwin to give a full report (he could do that under the rules at the time).
It was something I’d hoped would be true, because if Gricar tried to get an indictment and failed, that would explain a lot. It wasn’t true. In fairness to Gricar, I cannot think of any instance where he used a grand jury.
Where is Gricar? If alive, my guess would be the Balkans or Ukraine. If dead, I’d expect his remains to be in a rural area in Central PA.
JJ- I am familiar with Dr. Chambers report and have a copy – when you referred to it simply as Chambers report I immediately thought you were referring to something developed ex parte or en camera- I appreciate your clarification. Dr. Chamber’s report was the shot not heard round the world, imo. Another matter.
Let’s agree that Sandusky was investigated by the GJ 3 times before his presentment resulting from the 4th. How would you know if Gricar used a grand jury or not? Wouldn’t any efforts to obtain that information be based on a presentment result?
I mean, it could be suspended, it could have been a no bill, but how would you be able to conclude otherwise?
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You are right, if she was primed to run for DA as a Dem,
she had to not offend any potential donors & supporters
who were amicus Lee, & Boal cherishers.
This is not an outright denial:
Senior Deputy Attorney General Marc Costanzo said he had no information about any prior grand juries
http://www.centredaily.com/2012/01/1…#storylink=cpy
I can’t link this story anymore.
post #270
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157889&page=11
Blink, according to both the Board spokesman and the AG’s Office, there was only one Grand Jury investigation of Sandusky (though it is possible that there was change in juror membership at some point). I can only go with what they say.
There has no other reference to multiple grand juries, except from several board members, and the spokesman said Baldwin did not state that. There is no reference to it in the 2011 or 2012 presentments, no record of it in the DA’s Office, nothing noted in discovery, and it was unmentioned at the trial. No ADA from the period has ever suggested that there was one at the Centre County DA’s Office.
Now, if you can something, other that the comments of several BoT members, that was later reversed, I would be interested.
I went to see what the controversy was about, and it seems there is a Boalsburg Energizer Bunny who is indeed running for Office again. My take: http://christopherleeforsupervisor.weebly.com/
1) grandiose, 2) fear-mongering
Then I see this on campaign site: ” accusations that were made years ago. As troubling as the accusations were, it is more troubling to think that people are unaware that they were all refuted. There was no bad conduct, no conviction, no “plea bargain” — nothing but “innocent” and “case dismissed.” The air was cleared fully years ago. It’s time people knew that.”
It is of course a lie, but imo one that he fully believes–ego syntonic. Unfortunately, People don’t understand an ARD. That a criminally charged person accepts it when he is more likely than not to be found guilty in a trial. So they accept reduced charges & a diversion program. If they complete the diversion program & otherwise comply (costs, mental eval) charges are dismissed. There is no finding of innocence or guilt. It’s not litigated because the person agreed to something comparable to a probable sentence for a first timer up front. If he was innocent, why did he agree to consequences with DA Madiera which only a first time offender likely to be convicted would agree to? Anyway, the me the greater problem here is his boldness in lying. Why doesn’t Centre Daily Times go interview Madiera?
Rose, I have erose’s dx, lol *CRS*, but I know Madeira is quoted somewhere in defense of that option.
I agree he buys his own crap.
May seem obvious to some- but when I ask for clarity and that individual tries to give me the recipe to make batteries- it raises flags.
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Blink, I am not sure if this is the quote, but it is Madeira’s understanding of an ARD:
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As part of his acceptance into the Accelerated Rehabilitative Disposition (ARD), Pringle will receive one year of probation and be required to complete the program before he can request that his record be expunged, Centre County District Attorney Michael Madeira said. Pringle’s acceptance into the program does not constitute a guilty plea, Madeira said. However, he described it as “punishment without a verdict.” “I view ARD as accepting a responsibility for something,” he said. “There needs to be a willingness to change your actions.”
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Stanley-Pringle-library-masturbator-re-enters-?urn=ncaab,100205
There is at least one person, who early on was involved early on with TSM (’81?), the museum (’82) and PSU (’51 with 4 sons playing football at PSU beginning with Ron Jr. in about ’73) and his name was Ron Coder.
On page 185 of “Touched” by Jerry Sandusky, he states that Ron Coder was executive director of TSM.
http://books.google.com/books?id=DhURgPDxVhgC&pg=PA185&lpg=PA185&dq=ron+coder+director+second+mile&source=bl&ots=DcI-fsCNPZ&sig=7oP7__qPK70G7VmTO_j6XPbVq4k&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ovUpT8nlHPDJiQLG1KXCCg&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=ron%20coder%20director%20second%20mile&f=false
Boalsburg Museum 1982
That meeting was held at Duffy’s Tavern on September 28, 1982, with 30 people in attendance. Tentative plans were outlined whereby a museum would be setup on the second floor of the Harris Township building in quarters formerly occupied by the historic furniture factory and before that by the carriage shop. Harris Township Supervisors had unofficially endorsed the idea. A Museum Association was proposed, then formally approved by those in attendance. Solicitor, Thomas Gill, became the legal Advisor. For a number of years he guided the organization through establishment of its articles of incorporation, formation of by-laws, securing of tax-exempt status, property acquisition, and other matters.
During the September 28th meeting, a Board of Directors was chosen, including Ron Coder,…
Chris Lee was named to represent the Harris Township Supervisors.
http://www.boalsburgheritagemuseum.org/about_us.shtml
Ron Coder was a U.S. soccer goalkeeper who was a member of the U.S. team at the 1956 Summer Olympics.
He entered Penn State University in 1947.
Coder continued to serve in the Air Force, retiring as a lieutenant colonel. His son, Ron Coder later played football at Penn State and with the Seattle Seahawks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Coder
Coder’s grandfather sent some Penn State assistant coaches, with whom he was close, a Christmas card. And since Coder was so much bigger than his brothers at the time, Penn State said he could walk on and try to earn a scholarship.
And he did.
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2011/11/10/Paterno_former_players_reactions.aspx
“There’s quite a few people eating crow out there,” said Coder, a 1951 graduate of Penn State whose four sons played for Paterno and who considers him a friend. “I’ve always been on Joe’s bandwagon,” Coder continued. “I argue with these people who say he can’t recruit, he’s past his prime. I’m nominating him for coach of the year.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/14/sports/ncaafootball/14paterno1.html?pagewanted=all
All of this was previously posted on BOC.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/01/02/the-nittany-nightmare-continues-more-financial-incest-at-psu-accused-perjuror-gary-schultz-head-of-nittany-insurance-pays-first-victim-payout-and-his-lawyers/comment-page-10/