Kyron Horman Missing: Civil Suit Against Terri Horman DELAYED AND SEALED- Prompted By NEW LEADS
Portland, OR- As many of you have been following since June 2010, there is a new development today in the disappearance of Kyron Horman.
As predicted at BOC, the civil suit brought by Deisree Young, Kyron’s Mother, against Terri Horman, Kyron’s step-mother and the defacto suspect in his disappearance has been granted an abatement.
In a sealed filing, motions by Assistant District Attorney Michael Schrunk and Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton were granted, delaying the suit . The motions included supporting affidavits that continuing the action as already ruled would compromise the investigation.
The decision presents an ironic twist .
Terri Horman’s lawyers originally fought vehemently to abate the action, but were unsuccessful. As recently as last week, the Judge in the case ordered medical records to be accessible to both parties to the action.
In Judge Kantnor’s decision to NOT abate the suit at the request of Attorney Peter Bunch for Terri Horman, the Multnomah County Prosecutors Office declared “no position” on the matter after being contacted by the court.
It is not known if that order prompted the request to delay the suit .
Sheriff Stanton, Eldin Rosenthal, Norm Frink and Stephen Houze declined comment at press time.
On Monday, Judge Henry Kantor granted the motions to abate the civil proceeding and ordered the motions and affidavits filed by the district attorney and sheriff sealed.
A hearing had been scheduled for Dec. 14 to hear Young’s attorney argue before the court to compel testimony from DeDe Spicher, an alleged witness in the case. Today’s ruling is likely to render a postponement of that proceeding.
Sheriff Dan Staton, told Oregon Live, it is based on early leads that are now panning out:
“There are a couple of investigative pieces that are going to open up,” Staton told The Oregonian Tuesday. “Our belief is they’re going to open up several investigative doors.”
He said the new “investigative avenues” are based on information collected in the early phase of the investigation that are now yielding some results.
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@wpg
link to Facebook page where Desirees comment is.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Anti-Terri-Horman-Page/191989190837433
@cd re “Looks like Desiree’s posting to me. Does anyone NOT think judge K, LE, Kaine and Desiree attorneys
are cohorts.” Along with Maxine and others, they are chorts in their, and their spouses, social circles.
@Blink, TY for as always stretching my (our) thoughts.
Back at ya
B
grasshopper and cd,
Thank you both for the facebook info.
I see it’s not a public page so us non-facebookers can’t access.
That’s okay – - – was only interested in DY’s comments and the context.
Thanks again.
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Blink,
Thank you, and yep on the not a party to and not an open hearing, which is why I used “may be called” to give testimony . . . plus I can never remember how to spell subpeona (see?) . . .
@Blink. You got to the reasoning for Kaine’s motivation to delay.
Imo Kantor will not start up any of the 3 civil cases
(at DA’s request, of course) unless an Appellate Court orders him to do so.
Imo such Appellate order has the strongest footing in the RO, that’s all.
I agree on the appellate issue for the RO, but as I am about to respond to VW’s post in more detail, the contest brief or hearing request for same is very, very narrow without many teeth and unless the parties agree, relegated to the “basis” of the RO- which truth be told, is in fact hearsay.
So we look to the argument over basis. In walks the DA to protect their case. I say case, because as I see it, there is no persons tasked with the protection of the rights of the young children in the center of the matter. Again I ask- where is CPS/CFS? They have great autonomy in Oregon, btw- Ask Houze’s wife her Honor.
Kantor’s granting of the RO based on no change in circumstances and him forgetting or misinterpreting contesting of it previously will come back, imo.
Interlocutory insertion is about the only hope if this were not tied to the other 2 pending litigations.
My gosh. FB is so crazy it just scares me.
1) I clicked cd’s link & was told to sign in on a login page
Doesn’t recognize my email.
Doesn’t recognize my phone.
Can’t sign in.
So I google “Facebook” generally and get FB “Home” generically.
I decide this is an alternative route to login
& Click on “Log In”
instead of a log-In page, the “Anti Terri Horman” page appears!
FB accessing & memory of my non-logged in activities is scarey, imo
How can this possibly be Desiree herself saying Heeheeheehee about waterboarding yesterday at 12:56 pm
I just can’t believe it.
That link was not correct Rose, or because I am a FB user it reverted to mine, lol, but I hope that is incorrect if it is in relation to TMH. I don’t find any humor in this whatsoever.
Unless of course you consider me jumping in the pool with my iphone in my jogbra yesterday humerous. Don’t buy into the bag of rice trick. Does not work.
B
my better instincts were right not to visit that page FB put me onto at Login, when I never logged in.
Gutter language throughout.
Hate speech throughout (yoo hoo Rosenthal, a Southern Poverty Law Ctr nono)
much worse than snark. Frightening temperments.
If depos show Desiree accesses and Posts To this site, imo
her mental health, credibility, and eventual custody of Kyron is in question.
I will continue to believe the DDY poster on this site is not her til proven in Court otherwise
vw, be careful
I’m gonna stop now, sorry to go on, but I clicked on DDY on that anti pge like grasshoppersaid it came back to the real DDY:
https://m.facebook.com/#!/desiree.davidsonyoung?__user=100006008640272
But her posts ended there in Sept 2012, probably instructions of attorney. How can she think she can post then using her own FB to this virulent hatefilled FB page?
She is to be pitied and her advisors cut off. this
“Anti” page appears a significant source for lawsuit fundraising,
so how can she bite the hand that feeds? But she must.
Needs a public statement now rejecting this group
and their modus operandi. Can Rosenthal be ignorant of this?
This statement shows that Terri was accepted wholeheartedly by Desiree and felt that she was doing everything she should as a stepmom.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/38420266/ns/da….ittle-boy-lost/
DESIREE YOUNG: I wouldn’t say she would replace me, obviously, but she definitely gave him what he needed.
And this statement shows that everything Terri was doing was beneficial for Kyron and no concerns were had but there has been a multitude of changing stories since then. It also shows that Desiree willingly gave Kyron up to a positive environment. Quinn also if you recall that he has been with his father Greg and stepmom Amy.
Desiree says she went to Canada for treatment and gave Kaine temporary custody of Kyron. When she got back, still recovering and drowning in medical bills, they decided together that Kyron would be best off staying with his dad. She admits that, despite the anguish Terri had caused her in he past, she now thought Kaine and Terri could give Kyron a good life.
DESIREE YOUNG: I didn’t see anything that I was unhappy with. I didn’t think that my child was unhappy.
@wpg
link to Facebook page where Desirees comment is.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Anti-Terri-Horman-Page/191989190837433
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Looks like they took the page down hmmmmm….
DY’s comments you mean? Yes. It would also seemed they attacked our VW’s position on the matter, which imo was polite and respectful. I really do not understand the desire for anyone to spur hate being seen as constructive or positive to the situation at all. I never participate in that drivel- although I support anyone’s constructive effort to advocate for Kyron.
B
@wpg
The statement by DY regarding…”I will be there in person….” was not the part of her statement that suggested to me her chumminess, if you will, with Kantor.
It was this part: “Terri can’t fight the restraining order if she doesn’t talk and pleads the fifth, Judge Kantor won’t allow that. The entire point of these court filings is to compel her to talk…no talky, no Kyron, no divorce, and no Kiara or money either.”
Of course she could be just assuming Kantor won’t allow the R/O to be dropped UNLESS TMH proves her uninvolment with the sting and with Kyron’s disappearance by getting on the stand and addressing both issues.
But her tone suggests otherwise, IMO.
Consistent with that is:
a. Kantor’s willingness to drop the suit the day before she and Tony were to be deposed.
b. Kantor’s renewal of the R/O simply because it had been renewed before.
c. Kantor’s immediate granting of Rosenthall’s Protective Order to keep ALL medical records from becoming public.
d. Kantor’s inconsistencies….one minute he’s saying we’ll work this all out. Next minute yet another Order favors LE, Kaine, or Desiree. One minute he drops Bunch’s request to stay…and begin the depos of DEDE and James, the next he refuses to continue the suit and depo TY and Desiree and have their medical records reviewed in court.
e. Kantor has not once ruled in favor of TMH’s litigation.
f. He did, however, deny, the second time, Underhills motion to seal all the “affidavits” in favor of the stay.
But it turns out, as in the case of “sealing” the R/O and Divorce requests in june, 2010, that it was much ado about NOTHING. It seems to me, knowing the timing and content of all these “secret” sealings, that the sealing itself was intended to arouse suspician in the Public again. To take the pressure off LE and turn it to Dede and TMH again.
If TMH wants to win, and is not involved, it seems to me that she just has to hang in there, do it all by the book, Contest until the cows come home, and then Appeal if come August and on that this Court in Portland will never untangle itself from the DA’s office.
They do have a month for those “couple of” leads to pan out.
@Cindy says:
June 30, 2013 at 9:30 am
#37 vw:
I agreed with your thoughts that Porter was overwhelmed. But, why did the school go to such lengths to protect her specifically if she was negligent?
Wouldn’t she make the great “sacrificial lamb”, possibly being fired, etc., and letting Skyline Elementar off the hook. It looks like they cooked this goose of a plan instead to keep all and anyone at Skyline off the radar. Do you suppose this is the doing of the teacher’s union? But what about the administration?
Cindy,
The school had thier PR person up to the school the first night. Since the Super was giving a Presser on Sunday about what they would FIX she was admitting negligence right then. Their lawyers had probably told all teachers, staff, etc. to not say a word without them.By Monday 2X as many students were absent as usual. Some parents were interviewed who said their kids were afraid of going back. It was not till Wednesday that we heard that Porter recorded Kyron absent at 10am…the same time that kids were “regrouping” and the same time Tanner said she “go look” in the bathroom?
Porter could very well have had both district and union lawyers telling her not to talk. She’s been as silent as TMH these last 3 years. Of course LE had told everyone in the environs not to discuss the case.
Kill two birds with one stone? Take the pressure off the school and off the investigation? Appears so, but we don’t know that that was a planned out strategy.
We do know that TMH conveniently became the “kidnapper” within a week when the first reports of “pings” etc. and Porter’s “thought TMH took him to the doctor” report by the PR person come out.
I put some posts about Mrs. P and the card system together because I think it’s interesting to read them without posts on other topics between. Sorry this is long.
Rose says:
June 29, 2013 at 12:13 pm
This or a very similar system is what I believe Porter used:
http://m.brighthubeducation.com/classroom-management/42603-an-easy-effective-classroom-discipline-plan/
This is a typical management plan in the early el ed years used imo by say new probationary teachers and imo fools.
Colors are displayed for all in class to see.
I find it offensive in the extreme. The children singled out publically as downgraded before their peers’ eyes are likely already the “different” ones with consequent low social status which this just reenforces to peers. Guaranteed to be the boys mostly, the learning disabled or the reading impaired or the attention impaired or the weak motor skilled.
The focus should be on how Kyron, represented as sensitive, felt in THAT classroom with THAT teacher. Based on the allegedly frequent bathroom breaks and his “card collection,” I’d say not very good. Gives him some reason to evade her classroom for a few by going out to help a friendly stranger with whatever.
@Rose – “Offensive” is absolutely right. As I said before, I’m sure all the kids knew the reports for all the others and would have known no matter whether it was displayed in the classroom or handed out in an envelope. Kids ask and kids tell – and kids hurt.
I wonder how long this system had been in place – do we know whether it was all year or at what point in the year Ms Porter began using this system? IMO, a principal who didn’t know this was happening or who knew and allowed this to happen is lacking in “principal-ing” skills. Last year you posted:
Rose says:
October 3, 2012 at 11:02 am
Keefer’s mother is a 65 yo Portland principal:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/stevie-newcomer/11/2a1/98a?_mSplash=1
http://www.mylife.com/c-1364603411
She’s an MSW and formerly coordinated deug prevention for PPS (likely formerly a counselor?)
http://www.marijuanalibrary.org/OADAP_1994_youths_091395.html
now it’s more understandable a counselor got promoted to Skyline principal this year.
She worked with interesting populations. Principal arpound 2006ff at Paulng Academy, Roosevelt High. Was at Metropolitan Learning Ctr.
I was thinking about that again. I worked with her several years. I cannot by any stretch of the imagination think Stevie Newcomer would use a card system like this in a classroom for anybody. I don’t know their family history, but I’d be surprised if she raised her son to think that was acceptable, so I keep wondering if he knew.
vw says:
June 29, 2013 at 6:46 pm
(snipped)
@Mbs and Bumble:
Agree with this:
“Why add this work for yourself when you already have a grade book and notes you keep for conferences? First thought is that Mrs. P. may have been having trouble keeping her class on track, so either she thought of it or a teacher/mentor suggested it (a supervisor would have been unlikely to officially add to her duties after the school year began since she could have filed a complaint). Desiree said Terri vented about the teacher and thought she should have her job. What do we know Terri was really good at? Discipline and order in her classes.”
But also agree that the “teacher” may have been a resource teacher. I’ve wondered, since Carol and Desiree and Kaine made references to “working with” Kyon about following the directions of adults early on that he might have been on a 504 or IEP plan. High functioning in Math, though, according to James. Aspbergers?
The cards themselves seem extreme. A “red” one got you sent home? Why even have that card? In schools like Skyline how often would that happen to a second grader?
Didn’t Tmh (and KH?) file to get him into school a year early? Could be that poor Kyron was just not keeping up with a 2nd/3rd curriculum if Porter wasn’t very aware of their developmental strengths, and patient.
I do think Porter was overwhelmed, especially at the end of the year. You just don’t “forget” about a “dreamy” kid and his backpack and jacket. At the very least she should have called home at the end of the day. It was the middle of the following week before we heard that she “thought” TMH had said he had an appointment. And if Tanner’s story is true, she would be truly negligent. BESC knew that, too.
@vw – My guess is that Kyron did not have an IEP of any kind. If any of those possibilities had existed, particularly social difficulties, I can’t see a school district letting Kyron start a year early. I know you can’t always tell early (although that is changing), but Kyron had been in daycare and the district should have done some testing before making this decision – there should have been some evidence this was a good choice for him. (Of course, entering kindergarten a year early would have saved daycare/preschool tuition.)
I also think Kaine would have been hard to convince that Kyron needed an IEP. Maybe there was some talk of letting him repeat a grade, but that just doesn’t happen much anymore. It was such a small school and it appears they may have grouped the kids for math, at least, according to their needs, so it really wouldn’t have been necessary to repeat a grade.
Totally agree about “sent home” for red. That just doesn’t happen without a major event of some kind – and couldn’t under any circumstance without the principal agreeing to it. Kids with IEP’s also have to have that written into their individual plan as an appropriate intervention – and that’s not easy to make happen. It certainly doesn’t happen on a teacher’s say so with no documentation. It would be interesting to know if Kyron was ever given a red card. My guess is no.
Cindy says:
June 30, 2013 at 9:30 am
#37 vw:
I agreed with your thoughts that Porter was overwhelmed. But, why did the school go to such lengths to protect her specifically if she was negligent?
Wouldn’t she make the great “sacrificial lamb”, possibly being fired, etc., and letting Skyline Elementar off the hook. It looks like they cooked this goose of a plan instead to keep all and anyone at Skyline off the radar. Do you suppose this is the doing of the teacher’s union? But what about the administration?
@Cindy – I have never worked for the union, but was a member my entire career and knew many who did. I believe I’ve said before that I know the union (assuming she was a member) would advise about getting legal help, would demand appropriate procedures be following according to the contract. and be present when meeting with the teacher’s supervisors. I do not believe they assist in covering up anything a teacher has done that could be considered negligent, inappropriate, or illegal – but that’s my opinion only and based on my experience.
A lot of what we discuss about Ms P. makes me wonder how involved, or not, Keefer was in what happened in his classrooms. Side note: During my first year of teaching in Beaverton many years ago, the principal called me in to go over my evaluation. He had NEVER been in my classroom the entire year. He said we should keep that between us and he’d give me a good report and include the same issue he was having everyone work on because he thought everyone could use some improvement. What was I supposed to do? (I know what I’d do now.) I am NOT saying Keefer was that kind of principal, but also not saying there’s evidence he was as involved as he should/could have been in classroom management and building security, at least.
Rose says:
June 30, 2013 at 12:58 pm
@Cindy. Imo PPS shut down because of the likelihood
a worker (not particularly PPS employed,
but having some “agency” relationship to PPS) is SZ.
@Rose and Cindy – Well, the buck still stops with Keefer, IMO.
Rose says:
June 30, 2013 at 1:11 pm
(snipped)
Imo Kaine will call her as a witness in the contested RO
to recount Kyron’s statements re Terri (hearsay, but we know
what Kantor rules on that) and observed Terri-child interactions.
As though she was in position to observe….
And we know the weight Kantor will give that.
I’d give it 3% and that’s high due to enmity, her loss, her history and so
on. Imo Kantor will lap it up. Some people just shouldn’t be on family bench.
He does like complex financial transaction cases imo.
It astonishes me he treats an RO to be lumped in and delayed in behalf of
other civil cases.
Blink says – I respectfully disagree Rose- I think the respondent would gain significantly and this is not a custodial situation for Kyron per se. Say for the sake of argument Ky is located- Kaine would be setting himself up for a court record about how little time and interaction he actually had with both Desiree and Kyron in terms of the functioning co-parent relationship. Desiree on record saying TMH was in agreement, no doubt some of those long rambling emails and Kaine- and of course, the respondent’s ability to put on the record deposition on her observations.
Imo, the dissolution has the best chance of starting back up, absent any indictment of TMH. It would not be prudent to have the framework of the tort really come from any depo from the divorce-
Lastly, it does give the impression that DY is considering Judge Kantor as a strategist. The Judge that is the same judge in both cases on pause as well as the RO.
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I started a general list of things Desiree could possibly be questioned about. I wanted to figure out who would benefit from her testimony and in which case (divorce or civil), what should be taken off the list, and what else could be on it.
- her personal history
- her history with Kaine
- her history with Terri
- all emails she received from Terri (were they preserved?)
- all comments Terri made to her
- comments Kyron made to her about Terri or anything else relevant
- the change she said she saw in Kiara after being away from Terri
- what she meant in her open letter to Terri re Kaine and situation
- what information was given her by LE regarding Terri
- what, if any, contact she had directly with Ms. P
This was brainstorming to get a list started. I don’t remember us making this kind of list before. It is sort of a response in my mind to Desiree apparently saying she can appear and say this or that to Terri. Just looking at the list makes me wonder if it’s too risky for anybody to call her as a witness for anything.
DY’s comments are interesting, but I don’t read too much into them.
Unlike her ex-husband who tends to “overthink” his comments, DY seems to communicate in a free flow of emotional ideas.
We have “hateful emails” with no further information, a TV interview where she continuously interrupts KH, and eventually tell us that “Kyron saw it all and was involved”.
The FB page seems to be anger at TMH, coupled with the braggadocio prevalent with online communication. There also seems to be hidden anger at KH in her message “No talky, no Kyron, no divorce …”.
@MBS. Having worked in the system, don’t you think the buck stops with the area Assoc Supt who directly supervises Keefer? The one who recommends Keefer as the repr principal on BOE & other Admin presentations, the one who determines his school assignment?
Even though LE is very quiet about the Skyline Staff, is there any possibility that they are looking more closely at all of them, and that someone somehow connected to a Skyline staffer is the person who took Kyron … or maybe it was an actual staffer.
Poor little Kyron – how embarrassing to be singled out by a nasty meanie of a teacher with color cards. I wonder if any of the other little kiddies got them, or if she enjoyed picking on him in particular.
Too bad TMH didn’t question the teacher more closely about unfair behavior to her little stepson (I don’t think dear ole dad much cared one way or the other, just didn’t want his almighty boat rocked). I still think she was the only one in that odd little family who cared much for Kyron’s welfare. Of course, she doesn’t stand a chance now — and maybe she is responsible in some way for the loss of him.
@GeorgiaDad – good description, thanks. It’s hard to see how the relationship between Kaine and Desiree ever worked for them no matter who came along or didn’t.
If those were really DY’s comments, IMO it was foolish. It makes it sound, just as some of us have said, that Kiara is being used as a pawn and further, that all the parties know it, including the judge.
It’s like Kiara is the one being held for ransom, not Kyron. Sad.
MockingBirdSings,
Thank you for your informative post and clarity.
I would like to respond to a smaller snippet of vw’s (snipped) comments that you included if that’s okay:
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vw says:
June 29, 2013 at 6:46 pm
(snippet)
“Didn’t Tmh (and KH?) file to get him into school a year early? Could be that poor Kyron was just not keeping up with a 2nd/3rd curriculum if Porter wasn’t very aware of their developmental strengths, and patient.”
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^^
Kyron was 7 years old on June 4, 2010 and was in 2nd grade – - – the right age.
I believe Kyron’s enrollment into Skyline School coincided with the move to the Sheltered Nook home.
Kyron was born September 9, 2002.
In January 2007 Kyron would have been 4 years old:
“At the end of 2006, Kaine sold the Aloha house, and in January 2007 the family moved to rural Northwest Portland. Terri found the secluded, wooded property on Northwest Sheltered Nook Road, and Kaine bought the house.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html
“Before his 5th birthday, Kyron entered Skyline School with approval from his parents, his pediatrician and a psychologist.’
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/09/kyron_hormans_family_keeps_up.html
If Kyron entered kindergarten halfway (or more) through the school year, would he have then started kindergarten again in September 2007 when he turned 5 or did he move into Grade 1 ?
All I have ever read was the above article snippet that he entered Skyline before he turned 5 and have not read anything from any of Kyron’s parents to support that he repeated Grades 1 or 2.
Also don’t recall reading who initiated the “early” entry into Skyline or why.
@Rose
Re: FB Don’t go into the light, or darkness, if you don’t have to. But if you do be sure your own privacy buttons have been hit to the max so that only your “friends” can see much. I have an Intel-like friend that helped me with that when FB was getting too free and wheeling about suggesting friends, etc.
Desiree’s comment. When you click it refers to her page. Her page has restricted “everyone” from seeing current posts, if there are any. Last activity was a year ago or so. But clicking on a post to her from Kelly you can see it is indeed Desiree, as Kelly’s page is current. She either doesn’t know how to make it more private or doesn’t care to. A click on one of her friends goes to her grandma’s page and shows Desiree posting to say HB to her grammy.
So yes, DY did, in a rather spontaneous moment, make her “real” views shown, uncensored. I think her veering away from her usual “spotlight” vernacular says more about her audience than affected language.
@Blink Thank you for the “OUR vw.” I try not to go there, but wanted to see if the “post” was real. So much wasted energy, but I am so “unadultered”, LOL, that there’s not much they can do to threaten me. I have no agenda. Just am fascinated with this case and feel that down the road it can set judicial and moral precedents if what some of us believe is true. I’ve learned so much since that PPS call. Plus…have a soft spot and sometimes still believe Kyron is still out there.
Blink says:
(snipped)
“Kantor’s granting of the RO based on no change in circumstances and him forgetting or misinterpreting contesting of it previously will come back, imo.”
Blink,
Bunch’s recent use of the word “contest” was not the same legal definition as Kantor’s, imo.
No “Motion to Contes”t was ever previously filed – - – that is what I believe Kantor was referring to.
Bunch, imo, was referring to his past vocalization of contesting certain aspects of the RO. Again no “Motion to Modify” was filed:
October 07, 2010
Peter Bunch, Terri Horman’s divorce attorney, said he plans to ask the court to alter the current “no parenting” restriction that Terri Horman faces in the restraining order, to allow some supervised, reasonable contact with her 22-month-old daughter, Kiara.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/judge_delays_terri_and_kaine_h.html
Blink, I have followed along and have read pretty much all these posts over a period of time.
I would like to word this delicately, so as not to be offensive, but do you personally believe that Kyron is still with us? (not matter who is guilty of what)
All the posts here are very informative and I can tell the passion people hold for wanting to find Kyron and the truth as to what happened that day. I just don’t recall coming across your thoughts on his well being.
thank you because I know your time is well spent elsewhere.
Sadly, I do not believe Kyron is alive. The odds of that are overwhelmingly against it, over 90%-100% in 72 hours IF the information profile to which I subscribe, and I know has not been eliminated in this case- is accurate.
If this is an unknown (stranger) sexually motivated crime, which has NOT been ruled out, I believe Kyron was deceased quickly. Same would hold true for me if this was a casual acquaintance offender (meaning not complete stranger but with some level of familiarity which could include stalking or targeting activity that would allow Ky to be trusting or compliant in some way.)
If for the sake of argument, TMH was responsible for Kyron’s disappearance either through her alleged mfh plot against Kaine, or through some alternative activity as yet undisclosed, I don’t see anyone involved wishing to be prosecuted. The abductor did not have any idea that Kyron would go un-missed all day long, that was impossible so he was prepared to be out of range of suspicion very, very quickly. For this reason, I strongly believe that my profile is the strongest possibility. It is the hallmark of this offender to execute with precision in an environment that cannot be tied to him in a direct way, if at all, until he is caught.
The best hope there is for the possibility of Kyron being alive does not have a remotely plausible scenario that matches the evidence to his abduction or the alleged suspect pool so unfortunately it leads my victimology profile back to “stranger” sexually motivated offender who abducts- and if that is correct, he will likely not be found outside of a re-offense attempt, arrest for something else that produces evidence linking him to the crime, or Ky’s remains are found through some other means.
While the profile is very rare, if it is true in this case, the outcome is predetermined by the profiles objectification of the victim at onset.
I pray daily that I am wrong, but in over 2 years of advanced study in this area- I have not learned one factoid or studied one case that has changed my thinking to date. I am not alone within the now-civilian study and practice of investigative criminal analysis and profile.
I will say that in terms of stats, if any of the evidence I am aware of holds- and when I say holds, it is because to my knowledge there is only highly interpretable circumstantial evidence that is not authenticated and it’s chief witness has been given a level of immunity already, which points to TMH- statistically speaking Ky had a greater chance of becoming a victim from the efforts of a family member than he did my alternative profile scenario- and that also means from associations or involvements pursuant to his entire immediate family. LE starts there and rules out, however, when one narrows the focus to work the ripples of the pond back to the middle because it knows it best, we are where we are now, regardless, imo.
There are many people on this thread and have been from the beginning that believe Kyron is still alive, and I support them 100%.
I do not believe the current assets assigned to the case have a remote chance of solving it and it needs independent review starting at square one- Skyline School, it’s staff, and it’s visitors.
Lastly, for Kyron’s parents not to be demanding this tells me one of two things- they are content with the investigation and are convinced TMH is the answer, or that they are NOT being briefed on the alternatives, and their LIKELYHOOD given the absence of development of other evidence.
B
Hi blink, not sure the question I just submitted went through. It does not show up on my screen as being in moderation.
Got it, just replied.
B
Rose says:
July 1, 2013 at 3:56 pm
@MBS. Having worked in the system, don’t you think the buck stops with the area Assoc Supt who directly supervises Keefer? The one who recommends Keefer as the repr principal on BOE & other Admin presentations, the one who determines his school assignment?
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@Rose – legally and technically yes, you are right, of course. However, if you follow that logic, you could also say the buck stops with the superintendent and Board.
I think principals are not that closely monitored regarding duties that are the “well, duh” type – in other words, taken for granted – unless there is some reason to monitor them more closely. For example, I doubt if his immediate supervisor would have asked if he had a building security plan for the science fair and certainly wouldn’t have bothered to go over the details with him. After all, district policy supposedly had that covered already.
The district focus for decades (maybe forever) has been on academic improvement and attracting students to schools that need to boost enrollment. While the focus seems narrow, the district has bounced around all over the place trying to figure out how to do that successfully and consistently. Science fair visitor sign-in procedures and an individual teacher’s classroom management plan would be considered more like housekeeping issues and left up to him. As long as he followed a reasonable budget, determined his FTE fairly, did his teacher evaluations on time, worked well with the parents and community, was “cheerleader” for kids’ learning and teachers meeting goals, kept up with the district policies and meetings, and no one complained, he would have been considered a very good principal.
Another thing (besides simply assuming he would do a good job with routine duties) which probably removed him further from close supervision by his immediate supervisor would be the IB program. The district had an administrator that year who was monitoring IB programs and she was at the science fair. I worked with her for about 3 years in a high school setting. My guess is that the more time she spent with Keefer and his staff helping the school plan to meet the requirements for applying, the less time another administrator would spend with him – figuring they had it covered. Her focus would have been on the upper grades and transitioning to high school IB programs.
I will say that I don’t know if she was paying attention to how things were done that morning (visitors not signing in and out, students without adult supervision, no attendance marked until 10 AM even though school officially started at 8:45, etc.) but I can tell you if she had been in charge it would have been different. She was really good at security details – but it wasn’t her job to monitor that at Skyline. I’m sure she was there to see how well the science fair measured up to IB program expectations.
If the school district were sued, the suit would name everyone possible and Keefer would look like a small fish in a big pond. However, IMO, he had a lot more of the responsibility than that.
wpg says:
July 1, 2013 at 8:27 pm
MockingBirdSings,
Thank you for your informative post and clarity.
I would like to respond to a smaller snippet of vw’s (snipped) comments that you included if that’s okay:
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vw says:
June 29, 2013 at 6:46 pm
(snippet)
“Didn’t Tmh (and KH?) file to get him into school a year early? Could be that poor Kyron was just not keeping up with a 2nd/3rd curriculum if Porter wasn’t very aware of their developmental strengths, and patient.”
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Kyron was 7 years old on June 4, 2010 and was in 2nd grade – – – the right age.
I believe Kyron’s enrollment into Skyline School coincided with the move to the Sheltered Nook home.
Kyron was born September 9, 2002.
In January 2007 Kyron would have been 4 years old:
“At the end of 2006, Kaine sold the Aloha house, and in January 2007 the family moved to rural Northwest Portland. Terri found the secluded, wooded property on Northwest Sheltered Nook Road, and Kaine bought the house.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html
“Before his 5th birthday, Kyron entered Skyline School with approval from his parents, his pediatrician and a psychologist.’
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/09/kyron_hormans_family_keeps_up.html
If Kyron entered kindergarten halfway (or more) through the school year, would he have then started kindergarten again in September 2007 when he turned 5 or did he move into Grade 1 ?
All I have ever read was the above article snippet that he entered Skyline before he turned 5 and have not read anything from any of Kyron’s parents to support that he repeated Grades 1 or 2.
Also don’t recall reading who initiated the “early” entry into Skyline or why.
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@wpg – I had to write it all out to be sure I got it right.
The cutoff date to start kindergarten is Sept. 1st. Kyron was born Sept 9, 2002. On Sept. 1 of 2003, he was not yet 1 year old. On Sept. 1 of 2004, he was 1 year old. On Sept. 1 of 2005, he was 2. On Sept. 1 of 2006, he was 3. On Sept. 1 of 2007, he was 4. On Sept. 1 of 2008, he was 5 – this (2008-2009) was the year he SHOULD have started kindergarten. On Sept. 1 of 2009, he was 6 – turning 7 about a week later.
We know he was in second grade for the 2009-2010 school year, so he was in first grade in 2008-2009, and kindergarten in 2007-2008. He was actually 4 when he started kindergarten. It doesn’t sound like a big difference since it was a matter of days until he turned 5, however, if all the other kids followed the cutoff date, there could have been a greater difference than it seems on paper.
There would not have been time for him to repeat a grade. If you are correct and he started mid-year, that means he got less than a full year of kindergarten to adapt to school, and that may have made it more difficult for him. I’m surprised PPS would allow that. However, if he had started kindergarten in a different district and moved to Portland in January, I believe they would have let him continue in kindergarten absent any obvious problems.
I don’t believe anyone but a parent could initiate an application for early entry. Even if it were Terri’s idea, Kaine would have known about it and supported it. Kaine probably wouldn’t have thought about it on his own.
@red rose
July 1, 2013 at 4:42 pm
Even though LE is very quiet about the Skyline Staff, is there any possibility that they are looking more closely at all of them, and that someone somehow connected to a Skyline staffer is the person who took Kyron … or maybe it was an actual staffer.
Poor little Kyron – how embarrassing to be singled out by a nasty meanie of a teacher with color cards. I wonder if any of the other little kiddies got them, or if she enjoyed picking on him in particular.
Too bad TMH didn’t question the teacher more closely about unfair behavior to her little stepson (I don’t think dear ole dad much cared one way or the other, just didn’t want his almighty boat rocked). I still think she was the only one in that odd little family who cared much for Kyron’s welfare. Of course, she doesn’t stand a chance now — and maybe she is responsible in some way for the loss of him.
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Excellent question. And ITA about the unfairness of a “card” system that, IMO, sets many students up for failure. It is called tracking and PPS uses it throughout the district. In the case of Porter, it was the card system. But in school throughout the district early elementary students are often “tracked” into groups that are based on testing as early as kindergarten. I remember my son coming home one day and asking that I talk to his 1st grade teacher so that he could be in the “blue” reading group. Kids learn so quickly that the “fun” books with plots that challenge are read only by certain groups. Other “books” are boring.
Unfortunately, in schools like Skyline and the one down the hill that my kids went to kids are classified as “TaG” via teacher recommendation as well as testing. If you are not in the “tag” group in a school like Skyline lower expectations by teachers folowed you throughout your first 5 years.
TMH was experienced in noticing those designations. IMO she knew that Kyron was not getting the “enrichment” experiences of the higher groups. That would explain her insistence that Kaine help her in getting Kyron recognized as bright. And the inconsistencies and subtle lower “tracking” of kids based on Porter’s system could have explained why TMH “wanted her job” – according to DY.
It is entirely possible that TMH was attempting to make sure that Kyron got the best instruction possible … a feat only accomplishd if Kyron were seen as ready to go into the “higher” groups come the next fall.
She seemed to be very involved in the school and knew that with her help on the tree-frog project that Kyron would be proud and end the year
JMO
@wpg. As a PPS el ed teacher, imo vw and you highlights something.
4 beginning K & 5 by June
5 beginning 1st & 6 by June.
6 beginning 2nd & 7 by June 2010.
(When do they celebrate his b’day? Oct? Nov?)
Imo any boy beginning 2nd grade in a 2/3 room
as a 6 year old would stand out like a sore thumb
relative to peers, calling attention to self.
Idk there, but here parents try to start boys
on the older side. It is possible since he was
developmentally younger, he seemed socially
immature relative to classmates who ranged through
3rd grade and therefore Porter experienced him as a management
problem. Possible bullying target of 3rd grade boys in his
classroom. Too bad he was in a grade 2/3 room when
he was 6 years old.
@wpg. It reads like he entered K at age 4 (probably late Aug) in 2007 and did not repeat.
If his b’day is Sept, he turned 5 not long after. 5 when beginning 1st in Aug 2008.
6 beginning a 2/3 classroom in 2009, puts him at 7 in June 2010.
@MBS. whatever DY wishes to say to help
build a case in an RO hearing that TMH is a danger to Kiara and Kaine,
on reflection all the defense has to do is submit Court records from
her own divorces as well as any treatment records to
impeach her credibility–without ever asking her (or TMH) a question.
What I infer she was doing, really, due to the website chosen,
was rallying troops to demonstrate audibly at
any hearing TMH appears at.
Keeping in mind, that outside the scope as to “basis” for the RO- without agreement neither side can present any testimony in the form of deposition, record or otherwise. The scope of the RO contesting is strictly limited to the issue initially presented which is succinct- the mfh.
Kaine ONLY has hearsay knowledge given to him via LE..
H O W E V E R, it may very well end up that information came to him via his counsel, or at least in her presence. If that is the case, then the defense can also call Rackner- which is why I suspect she has stopped appearing for Kaine. That information is not work product considering it was used to support the legal filing in the first place- it is discoverable.
I say this should be the legal interps in a level playing field, which this clearly is not, so take that into consideration as well. This Judge has no business sitting these cases simultaneously and I daresay I wonder if Kantor’s decision not to self-recuse is because he does not think Houze/Bunch will dare call for it because of Houze’s wife’s bench position in the same jurisdiction.
Add to that Kaine’s specific comments that methods used in the divorce were designed to provoke TMH to “talk”. You can’t attack the bad faith aspect however, without examining the source.
I agree on the rallying of anti-Terri people, I also strongly believe in the concept of being careful what we wish for. I have heard rumblings about the folks that were soliciting funds via cold call- which are unverified but not strangers to the camp.
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MockingbirdSings,
It was the inclusion of a psychologist that also led me to believe Kyron entered kindergarten (at the age of 4 1/2) in the latter part of the 2006-2007 school year at Skyline:
“Before his 5th birthday, Kyron entered Skyline School with approval from his parents, his pediatrician and a psychologist.”
Correct, I want to say we did cover this way back, and it led to the conclusion that Ky would have had to have completed some pre-testing to qualify- which is likely overseen or developed by a psychologist for the school. I expect TMH was instrumental in that, btw.
B
Thanks, Blink.
This color-coded card behavioral method is definitely not something I support and I’m sad to learn Kyron was subjected to this.
However, if it is true what Kaine said about TMH’s interest in and repercussions for Kyron regarding these color-cards, it makes me even sadder for Kyron thinking about the combined school and home stresses he may have had.
Agreed.
B
IDK how the teacher got along with TMH, but just had a thought. What if the teacher was SO annoyed with what she thought of as a “meddling parent” and didn’t much care for Kyron anyway (maybe had her own pets among the students and Kyron was not one)? So what if the teacher – maybe by herself had an “I’ll fix her” thought — grabbed Kyron, maybe shoved him and accidently hurt him — then needed to cover everything up. That would sure explain why she isn’t talking at all, and also has a lawyer.
…just another way to look at this, and nothing says this couldn’t have happened. Total accident. Kryon gone. Let TMH, who the teacher probably knew about her lifestyle anyway, didn’t ‘approve’ of.
By the way, did KH have any interaction at all with Kyron’s teacher? Haven’t read that he did.
@vw says:July 2, 2013 at 3:20 am
TMH was experienced in noticing those designations. IMO she knew that Kyron was not getting the “enrichment” experiences of the higher groups. That would explain her insistence that Kaine help her in getting Kyron recognized as bright. And the inconsistencies and subtle lower “tracking” of kids based on Porter’s system could have explained why TMH “wanted her job” – according to DY.
It is entirely possible that TMH was attempting to make sure that Kyron got the best instruction possible … a feat only accomplishd if Kyron were seen as ready to go into the “higher” groups come the next fall.
She seemed to be very involved in the school and knew that with her help on the tree-frog project that Kyron would be proud and end the year
JMO
So, litigating the scope of the RO, the MFH, that includes Rudi himself, must include his prior history with both Hormans (Kaine to testify he told her to fire him), and 911s and police activity associated with him & Hormans,
the testimony of persons present such as Kaine and possibly Desiree and Rackner. Any corroboration of RS’s story
(texts, phone calls). It will include any impeachment of Rudi’s credibility (which will undermine Kyron case if TMH’s involved).
I think the smoking gun is Moawad both called and led that meeting, maybe even did the briefing of Kaine on behalf of her LE investigatory team, maybe even had the RO first draft for Rackner’s use ready to go. She did DA’s affidavidits for other 2 civil cases last Fall. In print the Gov said she worked exclusively on case for a year (imo 10-11). Now Kitzhaber’s legislative lobbyist on the prison bill he’s deteremined to get thru (reduces sentences for various crimes enabling some emptying of prisons to save $.) His Bill passed one chamber recently; one more to go & then no reason to protect Moawad from being called about her role in the RO planning. Can she be called?
Personally I think civil case stays will renew Aug 1, then Kantor will stay the after-occurring RO hearing based on “complex case mgmt,”
then Houze will have something to appeal.
Personally, I think Kantor, if he doesn’t stay, will let in the baby with the bath (Desiree & all sorts of outside the scope) on the grounds it’s family Court, a grave matter, and he needs the “full picture.” He seems a law unto himself.
I would not agree with his decisions to do so, but I agree with you it is not out of his realm.
B
@MBS. There was one instance when Keefer was taken to task about not following school policy re security. I put the url here (years ago) to a Skyline Newsletter in which Keefer said there woukd be new practices re door closures etc because he’d been told Skyline was not following policy. He spelled policy out and announced the changes. I said I felt his failure to follow his own announced changes to implement door and other security measures made any lawsuit naming Skyline & him as negligent a slam dunk. If you read Newsletters back as far as his becoming Asst Principal, it’s there somewhere that his Announcement was in response to the schools practices on the Security issue being monitored by some(one) in his accountability chain.
@Blink. Your characterization reminds me of this abduction & immediate death
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/police-fla-girl-8-was-victim-predator
1) shows the value of a GAL to a Maverick Judge.
2) shows an 8 yo will go “out to the van” for a sec when the abductor has been associated with a parent for only a
very brief period of time and asks for help to carry back something (burgers & whatever she thot was in Van, like drinks).
I can absolutely see how you might make that parallel Rose- There may be some similarity in the execution or ruse to lure the child in “plain sight”, but a very significant difference is that if the offender profile in Ky is correct, this was not at all impulsive. That is the start of what is a very long and specific list of abhorrent markers I will not be in a position to discuss here in a general sense.
To that end, as usual, lol, you are in my wheelhouse. Cherish’s case is one that is the absolute worst of the worst as if one intended a fictional literary example of hell on earth for a child, ending in hell, actually. I am furious, and I am so disparaged over her case, I do not think I could write on her case with any focus or clarity- which I try to keep as beacons in this work.
When every conceivable freakish thing can go wrong for a child, I find it difficult to remain professionally distant. Just being honest.
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Blink, you have stated that you believe SZ was highly organized. Do you believe his organization skills would also include having the foresight to have a resting place ready for Kyron, insuring his remains would never be found?
If my profile based on the limited information known is accurate, then without question that was part of his continuum.
B
@rose, same thing happened to me with the facebook page. weird.
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Since you all are discussing when Kyron started Kindergarten at 4 1/2, does anyone wonder whether or not Kiara will be doing the same this year and whether or not she will be attending Skyline El? Won’t she be turning 5 in November?
Kaine has said in the past, that Skyline school is a safe one and he seems to hold the school totally absent of any wrong-doing on June 4, 2010. Is it possible that Terri does NOT think that Skyline is a safe place for Kiara to go?
IDK, just thinking about her contesting now and not previously, wondering if she is concerned about Kiara’s safety there?
This is NOT the Keefer-Newsletter announcement he’d been told from above that
Skyline was out of compliance with Policy & announced new security re doors.
It’s earlier in 2004. I found it by googling Skyline School Ben Keefer door closed.
His Announcement re door closures in Sept 2004.
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools-c/pages/skyline/eagle/091304nest.pdf
Note:
1) Chris Villareal as janitor
2) dramatic school enrollment drop
prompts scouring for Kindergartners
to enroll.
If TMH or Kaine wanted an early K start, here was the school to move to!
Personally, with Kyron’s profile, I feel if TMH had any education at all on young boys, the impetus for
early enrollment was from Kaine. I’d look at when he began school. No sign she did this with James.
In fact she chose home school in Roseburg.
2003 (Keefer= Co-Principal)
references a color yearbook
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools-c/pages/skyline/eagle/102703.pdf
Oct 2004:
p2 MBS’ referenced TAG: http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools-c/pages/skyline/eagle/100404%20nest.pdf
9/20/04 Changes in Bldg Security p2
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools-c/pages/skyline/eagle/092004nest.pdf
Same Announcement re Security the week before, 9/13/04: http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools-c/pages/skyline/eagle/091304nest.pdf
I can’t find Keefer’s Newsletters from the period of 2005- on now.
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p5 of 14 http://srnpdx.org/sites/default/files/rrMarch08.pdf
Raising $ for some minimal lead paint abatement at Skyline. It seems PPS Maintenance was not accountable for lead paint abatement, but trim painters were among the Keefer/PTA contractors in the year before the abduction.
I think Desiree probably supports/ posts on the anti Dede and Terri pages because some of the people who post there/organize stalking(vigils) and such are personal friends of Desiree’s from before Kyron was taken. JMO
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Rose says:
June 30, 2013 at 4:54 pm
I’m gonna stop now, sorry to go on, but I clicked on DDY on that anti pge like grasshoppersaid it came back to the real DDY:
https://m.facebook.com/#!/desiree.davidsonyoung?__user=100006008640272
But her posts ended there in Sept 2012, probably instructions of attorney. How can she think she can post then using her own FB to this virulent hatefilled FB page?
She is to be pitied and her advisors cut off. this
“Anti” page appears a significant source for lawsuit fundraising,
so how can she bite the hand that feeds? But she must.
Needs a public statement now rejecting this group
and their modus operandi. Can Rosenthal be ignorant of this?
Whoa.
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It is the hallmark of this offender to execute with precision in an environment that cannot be tied to him in a direct way, if at all, until he is caught.
B
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/11/27/kyron-horman-missing-civil-suit-against-terri-horman-delayed-and-sealed/#comments
“These are the profiles we almost never catch.”
Roy Hazlewood, Former BAU Chief, Federal Bureau of Investigation
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some sexually motivated kidnappings:
“Marcus and Jeremiah Treanor (1980) were kidnapped from their mother’s home on 3 March 1980 aged 7½ years old. Jeremiah was discovered three years later in a Child Prostitution sting by Scotland Yard. His brother had been murdered only a week before rescue. Twelve young boys in all were recovered, though unfortunately 38 kidnappings were linked to the group. This case was credited with being the impetus for the first child crimes unit in Scotland Yard. In trial, it was discovered that the Russian Mafia was linked to the ring. The three children who testified in the trial were put into witness protection.”
Lewis Lent SO killed both a 12 yo boy and a 12 yo girl. a string of children, apparently
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_kidnappings
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the unidentified man was groomed to fit right in to the scene, and looked the part of a SZ.
Really smart if he hung out with 2 little girls he didn’t know to fit in.
Very telling statistics here. Haven’t checked in quite awhile. But despite measures inacted to keep middle school students at Skyline, and make it harder for 6th graders to automatically enroll in Skyline Middle, the decrease in enrollment, coupled with the decline in state scores, do not bode well for Skyline:
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools-c/profiles/enrollment/enroll_out.php?rpt=721
Seems to me on or before Aug 1, Kantor will simply sign orders
in Chambers continuing the Stays with the concurrence
of the bios. Then do same at contested RO hearing. Any other
speculation?
Sort of something for the backburner at the moment, but very interesting:
http://www.willamette.edu/wucl/resources/journals/wlo/scotuscg/2013/03/kaley-v-united-states.html
I can’t see him sitting in chambers on this, especially since Bunch called him out- but you may be right.
I would like to give everyone something to consider and kibbitz in the alternative-
Has it occurred to anyone that Houze has level interest in deposing the hearsay portions of the RO to create/develop/preserve a record for TMH litigative remedy interests?
B
Lent is particularly interesting. A mild mannered janitor who blended in and was
friendly to children, his murder career lasted over a decade before he deteriorated
and was fired, his MO became disorganized, and he was caught. Before that, he traveled to
other States and planned.
@vw. re: http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools-c/profiles/enrollment/enroll_out.php?rpt=721
Based on demographics, imo SZ was White.
Otherwise he’d have gone to an inner city school or an hispanic residential area. Lent targeted rural areas.
There’s no excuse whatsoever for those test scores. You know, they are a product of K-3 instruction and the seeds were laid long ago on Keefer’s watch. Here public school parents, including organizations of black and hispanic parents, math loving parents, and parents who believe in reading skills, would’ve banded together several years ago, demanded the principal’s ouster, a total revamp of instruction, accountability in classrooms, and would’ve hounded the Supt relentlessly. I don’t understand the passive parents & PTA in this school who don’t even look at data on insteuctional outcomes. (much less a kidnapper was indoors at a school activity during school hours).
@vw. Keefer had been at Skyline a long time–at least since Fall ’03 per Newsletter.
Finishing 7 years in ’10. From inside the system, do you know at what time in PPS
do principals get told of new school assignments.
Here it’s announced to public in June or July.
But I assume the principal knows earlier.
Thinking a bit more about Kiara being able to start school at Skyline.
IF Terri is not guilty of disappearing Kyron, even if the disappearance had something to do with her, but was not instigated by her (e.g., someone threatening her, or revenge of some kind against her), then it makes sense that she should be VERY concerned about her daughter attending that school. IF she had nothing to do with it and has no idea who took Kyron or why she should be scared to death to let her daughter attend that school for fear of the same thing happening. I know I would be. OTOH, if she was behind Kyron’s disappearance or disappeared Kyron herself, she would not be worried at all.
Telling situation…don’tcha think?