Kyron Horman Missing: Civil Suit Against Terri Horman DELAYED AND SEALED- Prompted By NEW LEADS
Portland, OR- As many of you have been following since June 2010, there is a new development today in the disappearance of Kyron Horman.
As predicted at BOC, the civil suit brought by Deisree Young, Kyron’s Mother, against Terri Horman, Kyron’s step-mother and the defacto suspect in his disappearance has been granted an abatement.
In a sealed filing, motions by Assistant District Attorney Michael Schrunk and Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton were granted, delaying the suit . The motions included supporting affidavits that continuing the action as already ruled would compromise the investigation.
The decision presents an ironic twist .
Terri Horman’s lawyers originally fought vehemently to abate the action, but were unsuccessful. As recently as last week, the Judge in the case ordered medical records to be accessible to both parties to the action.
In Judge Kantnor’s decision to NOT abate the suit at the request of Attorney Peter Bunch for Terri Horman, the Multnomah County Prosecutors Office declared “no position” on the matter after being contacted by the court.
It is not known if that order prompted the request to delay the suit .
Sheriff Stanton, Eldin Rosenthal, Norm Frink and Stephen Houze declined comment at press time.
On Monday, Judge Henry Kantor granted the motions to abate the civil proceeding and ordered the motions and affidavits filed by the district attorney and sheriff sealed.
A hearing had been scheduled for Dec. 14 to hear Young’s attorney argue before the court to compel testimony from DeDe Spicher, an alleged witness in the case. Today’s ruling is likely to render a postponement of that proceeding.
Sheriff Dan Staton, told Oregon Live, it is based on early leads that are now panning out:
“There are a couple of investigative pieces that are going to open up,” Staton told The Oregonian Tuesday. “Our belief is they’re going to open up several investigative doors.”
He said the new “investigative avenues” are based on information collected in the early phase of the investigation that are now yielding some results.
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Houze told the court he didn’t understand why Kaine Horman would put his temporary address in the restraining order petition, when he could have chosen not to do so. He said he wonders how serious Kaine Horman’s safety concerns are, considering “they revealed to my client where he was staying.” He also argued that Terri Horman wasn’t prohibited from sharing the information, though a judge had sealed the order.
“It is one of the utmost concerns of my client that her daughter be in a safe, well-cared-for circumstance,” Houze said.
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I wonder why Kaine’s temporary address was included? Weird, huh? The man took off and went into hiding, from his wife he wanted to kill him, but he gave her the address of his new residence in the court papers? Go figure. Why, if the order was sealed, would it be okay for Terri to share the info? Was it sealed AFTER it was given to her? Curious stuff.
ooops, ^^ I meant “who” wanted to kill him not “he”. Sorry.
Unless of course you consider me jumping in the pool with my iphone in my jogbra yesterday humerous. Don’t buy into the bag of rice trick. Does not work.
B
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Oh no! Phone a total loss? My own moment of exercise stupidity happened last week . . . I learned a very tough lesson, you don’t let the treadmill adjust for you. 13 stitches in my face, multiple dr’s. visits and a plastic surgeon later . . . the worst part? My pride. The treadmill will eat your knees, the belt will also pull your pants down if at the right angle.
@Rose
If you use this: http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools-c/profiles/enrollment/index.php?YEAR=2009 you should be able to toggle between years and schools. I just spent some time comparing the scores, attendance, and demographics between Skyline and like schools. Try Rieke, and Forest Park for comparable demographics. Remember that Skyline can “fundraise” thru the school auctions an addition 1.5 FTE. The other two schools might be able to get one extra teacher.
Look at substitute usage and “highly qualified teacher” designations between the three schools, over the years.
Also, go to an east county school like Beech. Notice the scores and percentage of students on free and reduced lunch compared to skyline. Then look at the scores.
Short of it, for me? 1. Skyline “forced” many students to stay there by denying automatic transfer to Sylvan Middle School. 2. Skyline’s teachers tale more sub days than other comparable schools. 3. Test scores and enrollment are going down. 4. Compared to neighboring schools with the same SE level, and VERY low concentrations of low-income or minorities, and DESPITE the fact that the got the IB designation in 2010 their scores are lower than other schools across the river.
@rose, when was the school trim painted?
http://pdxmugshots.com/mug/bernie-christopher-mortensen
This dude is a painter and was at one time on BK’s FB friend list (related?) I thought he resembled mystery man.
from People finders:
Relatives: Mary Katheryn Newcomer, Mary N Mortensen, Dylan Mortensen
Also Known As: Berni Mortensen, Bernie C Newcome
Anyway, just wondering who did the painting? Is there a way to find out who Skyline used to do the job?
the only atty with incentive to build a record for any purpose is Houze.
The shock is Kantor made no attempt to build a record; it
would have been easy. Lazy or lax idk.
More on Eldridge later, imo not a player here.
Rose says:
July 3, 2013 at 9:19 am
Hi.
The Lewis Lent cases seemed to explode in the news here in 1993. A 12 year old girl, Sara Ann Wood, was never found. She was snatched by Lent — according to his confession — off her bike about 30 minutes from my village. Frustrating case! And his known Massachusetts victim’s body, a 13 yr. old boy, was found in NYS. I believe the girl he attempted to take in 1993 or 1994 in Massachusetts escaped because she was quick to realize that he grabbed her backpack, not her, and she slid out of it and ran like hell. That saved her life. He’s in prison but he has never confirmed the location of Sara Ann’s body.
A point about Lent was that his appearance and mannerisms had people in my area — possibly anyone who saw the guy, actually — remark that his “mild mannered” look, on second notice, actually appeared to be just the opposite — sort of bundled up rage in a man who was not physically appealing to look at in any way. Yes, he seemed mild mannered for years, until it was confirmed that he was a serial killer of children. Then second looks had people feeling their “ick” about his appearance.
Have you ever….
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DECLO, Idaho (AP) – A southern Idaho teacher who allowed her fourth-grade students to use markers to draw on the faces of six classmates who failed to meet their reading goals will return to the Declo school for the 2013-14 school year.
Cassia County school board member Steve Lynch tells The Times-News that Summer Larsen’s contract was renewed based on teacher evaluations performed by principal Rebecca Hunsaker, who recently retired.
“The evaluation recommended rehiring Larsen,” Lynch said. “The evaluation was done appropriately and professionally and supported that decision.”
Cindy Hurst said her 10-year-old son came home from school Nov. 5 with his entire face – including his eyelids – scribbled on with green, red and purple markers.
“He was humiliated, he hung his head and wanted to go wash his face,” Hurst said at the time. “He knows he’s a slow reader. Now he thinks he should be punished for it.”
In an email to The Times-News, Superintendent Gaylen Smyer said, “I was told any PSC activity in this case would not preclude the school district from renewing Mrs. Larsen’s contract for the 2013-2014 school years.”
An investigation found nine students who didn’t meet their reading goals were allowed to choose between staying in during recess or having their faces marked. Three chose to forgo recess, while six allowed the other students to draw on their faces.
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Idaho-teacher-who-had-kids-mark-faces-to-return-214214701.html
I’m 25 years spec.ed. teacher; husband is 30 years elementary principal.
@Rose July 3, 2013 12:09pm
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You cannot draw conclusions about those test scores without seeing the district scores, knowing the state benchmarks, and seeing the scores of each class from year to year. The only comparison you have is the 3rd grade class 2009-2010 compared to when that class was in the 5th grade 2011-2012. Remember that on state tests, the bar is raised each year; so that, for example, one year 75% of students are expected to be proficient in reading; the next year, it is 78%. You simply do not have enough information to draw those conclusions. Respectfully.
@erose says:
July 3, 2013 at 11:05 pm
Perhaps our teachers need some lessons in ethics. If this sort of thing is allowed to go on, does anyone wonder why there are messed up kids going on shooting sprees in our schools? Unbelievable.
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Nelmel says:
July 3, 2013 at 8:19 pm
“A point about Lent was that his appearance and mannerisms had people in my area — possibly anyone who saw the guy, actually — remark that his “mild mannered” look, on second notice, actually appeared to be just the opposite — sort of bundled up rage in a man who was not physically appealing to look at in any way. Yes, he seemed mild mannered for years, until it was confirmed that he was a serial killer of children. Then second looks had people feeling their “ick” about his appearance.”
Funny how that works isn’t it? I think for most of us, it’s human nature to see the good in people. Then after one is known to have done some unthinkable crime, we actually see them in a different physical manner, perhaps noticing things we didn’t before. Which, in Kyron’s case, makes me think about the children who allegedly say they saw a “creepy” guy. I sure hope LE didn’t drop that tip as child’s play.
@hervness says:
July 3, 2013 at 6:18 pm
OMG, I hope you are okay. See, that’s why I never go near a treadmill, LOL!
@Panda. Thank you for the perspective of a seasoned ed professional. You wouldn’t catch me employed in a classroom–more work than I could manage, so I thank professionals like you.
The links below compare district & State to Skyline, and you are right, District & State are even more pathetic than Skyline.
Oregonian has an article below–OR was 4th from bottom nationalIy I believe this is before Oregon tests based on common core standards were implemented & the bar was low relative to other Statez.
Proficient is merely average, not Advanced.
Probably its those TAG kids at Skyline reaching at least average that pull the school up relative to District.
As the Harvard study below shows, its the Principal & his autonomy wrt to curriculum & teachers that make the difference. Supt of Los Angeles District was on npr at length last week (D Reihm?) and he made this point–he’s giving every school — it’s principal & teachers — that autonomy, but holding them accountable for results with the goal all kids will graduate and have those average skills.
My point was at Skyline these tech industry parents who are caucasian with good incomes are as unable to understand the importance of analysing academic skills data measurement wrt to their kids and connecting it to Mr Keefer’s job performance (because he seems to have had autonomy) as they were unable (and simply “looked away”) when it was time to look at his and Porter’s roles in the abduction and hold them and LE accountable for the investigation’s foibles.
To me it’s shocking to have these low scores which reflect average acquisition of basic skills without some members of the Skyline pta uniting to make very weak data outcomes of their kids a PTA agenda topic.
Skyline parent leader activists put so much energy into Green Team school innovations, they have the capacity had they chosen to put same energy into principal/teacher accountability for basic skills acquisition and school security. When parents do that (hold principals accountable), test scores rise, families move into tge area for the school, property values rise, and this school would not be in jeopardy of closing. I think the Supt and her team probably put Sage there due to an intent to close the school within a few years.
The comparisons you mention, and Oregonian article, are at
http://schools.oregonlive.com/
http://schools.oregonlive.com/district/Portland/
http://schools.oregonlive.com/school/Portland/Skyline-Elementary-School/
A Harvard study of a school in correction whose scores did a turn around to result in over 90% generally proficient or above in a minority free lunch school:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/leadingforequity/pdf/HarvardCase-HighlandES.pdf
“Data collection and analysis became the driving force”
Ben Keefer is once again the leading principal spokesman for PPS Admin.
The Supt physically took him to the Oregonian offices to talk with the Oregonian Editorial Board.
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/susan_nielsen/index.ssf/2013/04/portland_school_leaders_discus.html
Now why didn’t the Oregonian editors ask Keefer about school security issues while he was in the office?
another Keefer soundbite:
http://eagnews.org/portland-school-officials-want-to-dump-restrictive-union-contract-rules/
Off-topic re PPS offerings http://blog.chalkboardproject.org/parent-involvement/limited-options-for-bright-students-in-portland-a-parents-perspective/
kudos to lake oswego & to vancouver WA (last comment re wa difference))
You have to ask why Kaine would put Kiara in Skyline for academic reasons. Imo if they’d not divorced, Terri would have chosen to home school.
Imo Kiara’s schooling needs are one argument
to put physical M-F custody with Terri.
@hervess. so sorry to hear this & glad yr knees weren’t injured.
@TRuth.
Apologies I am too incompetent
to find (I tried), and kept no records,
of Keefer’s entries in Eagles Nest, Fall ’08..
We see in March ’08 he was fundraising
for a modest trim paint job, p5.
http://srnpdx.org/sites/default/files/rrMarch08.pdf
I have a clear memory he reported in the Eagles Nest
in ’08 or ’09 this modest paint job was accomplished
for lead abatement with painting of areas like door & window trim.
But I can’t find those Eagles Nests now. If you have them, skim
Keefer writeups from Sept 08 (most likely) thru Dec 09.
hervness says:
July 3, 2013 at 6:18 pm
Unless of course you consider me jumping in the pool with my iphone in my jogbra yesterday humerous. Don’t buy into the bag of rice trick. Does not work.
B
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Oh no! Phone a total loss? My own moment of exercise stupidity happened last week . . . I learned a very tough lesson, you don’t let the treadmill adjust for you. 13 stitches in my face, multiple dr’s. visits and a plastic surgeon later . . . the worst part? My pride. The treadmill will eat your knees, the belt will also pull your pants down if at the right angle.
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OK. I, for one, will never exercise again!
Rose says:
July 2, 2013 at 12:45 pm
@MBS. There was one instance when Keefer was taken to task about not following school policy re security. I put the url here (years ago) to a Skyline Newsletter in which Keefer said there woukd be new practices re door closures etc because he’d been told Skyline was not following policy. He spelled policy out and announced the changes. I said I felt his failure to follow his own announced changes to implement door and other security measures made any lawsuit naming Skyline & him as negligent a slam dunk. If you read Newsletters back as far as his becoming Asst Principal, it’s there somewhere that his Announcement was in response to the schools practices on the Security issue being monitored by some(one) in his accountability chain.
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I remember that discussion. I doubt, though, that it meant anyone closely monitored what he was doing after that any more than they would any other principal. After all, if he made the required changes, then the “my work here is done” attitude would set in. Again, based on my own opinion and observations.
Rose says:
July 3, 2013 at 12:24 pm
@vw. Keefer had been at Skyline a long time–at least since Fall ’03 per Newsletter.
Finishing 7 years in ’10. From inside the system, do you know at what time in PPS
do principals get told of new school assignments.
Here it’s announced to public in June or July.
But I assume the principal knows earlier.
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Announcements of principal transfers and new hires depend on a lot of things, unlike other staff which has union deadlines and processes to follow. I won’t give a list of those things b/c it’s OT for here, but some know early, some know late, some tell, some don’t, some are last minute changes, some reduce the time that parents have to object or for staff to try to transfer out – and those things change as the human resources department changes. I don’t know if businesses are this crazy, but as far as I can tell, it has very little to do with effectively educating children.
Anselmo Sanchez back in Portland.
http://pdxmugshots.com/mug/anslemo-sanchezsanchez-2
Sentencing hearing Jul 10th for illegal re entry
B
Panda says:
July 4, 2013 at 1:09 am
I’m 25 years spec.ed. teacher; husband is 30 years elementary principal.
@Rose July 3, 2013 12:09pm
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You cannot draw conclusions about those test scores without seeing the district scores, knowing the state benchmarks, and seeing the scores of each class from year to year. The only comparison you have is the 3rd grade class 2009-2010 compared to when that class was in the 5th grade 2011-2012. Remember that on state tests, the bar is raised each year; so that, for example, one year 75% of students are expected to be proficient in reading; the next year, it is 78%. You simply do not have enough information to draw those conclusions. Respectfully.
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Well said, and true. On the other side of the coin (and the river), I sat in a faculty meeting led by a principal new to our building but not the district, and was appalled to hear her say that at her last school she instructed teachers to walk around during state tests and look at the kids answers, touch them on the shoulder and quietly suggest they try again if the teacher could see the answer was wrong. She also suggested they give the kids hints on how to figure out the answer. She suggested that our faculty do the same thing, and said that the increase in her school’s test scores was proof that it helped the kids. It also greatly enhanced her reputation in the district as a successful leader.
There was a lot of coughing and wiggling in seats – I knew my faculty would never do that, but we also couldn’t believe someone would be so open about cheating. We secretly talked about reporting it, but there were complicated reasons why we didn’t. Just another reason to be wary of comparisons. If you want to know how a school is doing, go there and see for yourself, ask questions, find out what the school’s priorities are and why.
As for PPS TAG (Talented and Gifted), my experience as parent and counselor was different from that mentioned previously (I’m sure there are many other perspectives as well). My oldest was a TAG student – the activities she participated in were things I had done inside my own classroom years before. My second refused to participate because she didn’t want to miss her own classroom activities, and kids made fun of you. As a counselor in a middle school, I met with kids who consistently tried to get out of TAG because they were called out of class and bussed elsewhere for the activities with other TAG kids (when Rieke School closed, that’s where the TAG groups went). Many other kids labeled and teased them. At one school, their names were called on the intercom when time for the bus. Many of them hated that. Another counselor and I were able to change that to a list and a quiet reminder from each teacher but it didn’t end the problem.
The TAG budget kept shrinking and PPS had some violations of state TAG policies. I was on the clean-up end of that, making sure things were done by the book. For one example, each TAG student was to have an individual plan kept in their cum file. Some schools thought if you put them in advanced classes or an advanced reading group or whatever, you covered the state requirement for meeting their individual needs. Not necessarily so. Either way, the money wasn’t there to offer much.
Best TAG advantage – in high school, TAG students could apply for money from pooled TAG funds to pay tuition for a college class during the school year. I don’t know if they even have that anymore. It was a good program when they had a full time coordinator, but that was many, many years ago. Certainly not in Kyron’s years. TAG eligibility could be proposed by a teacher or a parent to begin the process.
IMO, if anyone thought there was some actual advantage to having Kyron be considered a TAG student, they probably didn’t check it out very thoroughly. It doesn’t automatically qualify you for admission or transfers, and the state had a general percentage of students they thought were likely to be eligible and set cutoffs to indicate that.
In high school, I had students who were eligible for both Special Ed and TAG. You can be learning disabled in one area and advanced in another. I used to bring that up when I talked to classes about understanding and respecting each other’s differences, and doing away with labels as a way to judge people. I understand the purpose of the TAG program and I agree with the need, but IMO, it wasn’t effectively done most of the time.
I don’t think Terri has any say in what school Kiara attends. But sending kiara to Skyline Elementary after Kyron was taken from there would say a lot to me about Kaine. Between being so sure that Kyron will return home, Buying clothes that would fit kyron and having no compunction about sending kiara to the very same school where (no matter who took Kyron) the staff was very lax about security Add to that trying to frame Terri for the sexting thing which had nothing to do with finding Kyron and you gotta wonder.
And yes I know Kaine probably had nothing to do with Kyron being kidnapped.
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T. Ruth says:
July 3, 2013 at 5:41 pm
Thinking a bit more about Kiara being able to start school at Skyline.
IF Terri is not guilty of disappearing Kyron, even if the disappearance had something to do with her, but was not instigated by her (e.g., someone threatening her, or revenge of some kind against her), then it makes sense that she should be VERY concerned about her daughter attending that school. IF she had nothing to do with it and has no idea who took Kyron or why she should be scared to death to let her daughter attend that school for fear of the same thing happening. I know I would be. OTOH, if she was behind Kyron’s disappearance or disappeared Kyron herself, she would not be worried at all.
Telling situation…don’tcha think?
Well, Skyline parents trust their kids with MISS Porter at a busy parade venue:
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/files/school-skyline/6_3_13a.pdf (p1)
http://www.portlandneighborhood.com/stjohns.html
“Highway 30, the road connecting the other side of the bridge to downtown Portland suffers very little traffic during the 8-5 or 9-6 commute hours (although, anecdotally, it’s busier during earlier hours 5-7 am and 2:30 – 4:30). Germantown road to Skyline or Cornelius pass dissimilarly light traffic during banker’s hours commute.”
Noteably, this is the location served by George Middle (Keefer’s current sch)
Googling St John’s Parade, I was led here–another aftercare program
https://m.facebook.com/PASTandE?id=142136977988&_rdr
” … The 2013 St. Johns Parade theme was Vintage Family Fun, so the PAST&E Families decked out a …”
http://www.stjohnsreview.com/sourcefiles/2013/9%20may%203%202013%20Parade.pdf
look at the name on the Skyline “School Assessment Plan”.
http://literacylearning.wikispaces.com/file/view/school+assessment+plan2.ppt
Seasoned professionals, look at the content. enough said.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/abducted-boy-report-fourth-july-prompts-door-door/story?id=19585411
but Ode & Blink. The Sheriff’s current policy
(no holds in jail for ICE) and the Gov’s
about to be fully passed prison bill
will have him out before we can blink our eyes.
He’ll be around Portland a long time, contributing
to the economy.
He has no shot of contributing for over 77 months outside of his prisoner status. Their is some issues regarding another state and entry as an illegal- will see.
B
While grateful to our mug masters keeping us uptodate, imo AS’ facial hair & general demeanor is so unique & identifiable that in an 84% white school, he’d have stood out like a sore thumb as a SZ. Whoever the “witness(es) were, he’d have been id’d in a pic line-up, imo.
While he gives a clue to Rudi’s social circles & culture, imo AS is unlikely to be SZ.
@hervness, No more public tread milling for me. (I can learn through others) and when tread milling at home, I’ll just skip wearing pants altogether, lol.
@NelMel, Good to see you posting again. Have you any spaghetti to throw at the walls?
@Rose
I’ve been looking a bit at Skyline’s Eagle’s Nest news. Archives don’t go back to Keefer anymore. What was the deal with the one-year, interim principal after Keefer left. Then Sage for this year. IMO that is strange.
Usually principals stay 3-6 years – judging from my experience in both elementary and secondary. Secondary can stay MUCH longer. But in my tenure with 12 years of kids at our Skyline-like school down the hill, the first lasted four years, the second 6, and the third…not sure as my daughter is in 9th now.
But at their middle school, from 2003-now there have been three principals. I think PPS likes to move them around…sometimes for political reasons, other times based on school success.
As for Skyline and declining enrollement. I don’t think Sage is in there to oversee a shut down of the school. One, even though the board has said that 300 is the goal, and have closed schools with higher populations of students than Skyline it would not be politically wise unless the “investigation” definitely has an indictment stick.
But the other reason is the “fortunate” position of Skyline. They draw only 1 or two ELL students, 1-4 students African-American or hispanic minorities, a respectable number of tag students (though not that many compared to other schools that have very HIGH parental involvement and strong foundations. It’s really a “private” public school that can afford to have programs that enrich the majority of its students.
Now that alone would not keep it from being closed. The well-endowed Smith School was closed awhile back. But Skyline is different in that it is the only school around. Position, position, position. Those kids from the very far outlying areas would have to be bused to Forest Grove (highly crowded), or Chapman (very far away). When conditions are such that snow-routes to Skyline are necessary, or “Skyline alone” would be closed, how would those kids get down the hill to Chapman? Also, Sauvie Island Elem. became incorporated into the neighboring district, so that would not be an option.
Just thinkin’ Bud I did ask a board member who is a fellow mom here about it a couple years ago. We had worked together a decade ago to save our neighborhood SW school from the chopping block.
wrt previous dialogue about satellite capturing crimes in progress.
Did Google Maps capture a grisly murder?
http://www.dailydot.com/crime/google-maps-view-murder/?utm_source=outbrainFTW&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=FTW
Follow-up on rereading last post:
Typos in last post. Sorry. Forest Heights- not Forest Grove (an outlying district and school). Forest Heights is closer to Portland Northwest Heights area than Skyline. Oregon…lots of “Forest” adjectives. LOL
“BUT”…not “Bud”. last paragraph.
And don’t mean to imply that just because Skyline does not have a large percentage of ELL, minority, subsidized lunch kids that that itself keeps it from the chopping block. But Foundations that can earn an additional 1.5 FTE ALSO have to give 25% (historically) back to the district. Therefore shoring up programs for less fortunate schools.
@Rose,
Just looking over the docket of the suit.
Filed…7/24 Motion to hold case in abatement TMH
Filed…7/24 Memo supporting Motion
Filed 8/20……Kantor…Motioned Denied
Filed…10/22…motion to compel testimoney from Dede
Filed…10/31…motion to compel….scheduled Hearing…Kantor
Filed…11/21…motion to ABATE and Seal….LE
Filed…11/21…ORDER to Abate….Kantor
Filed…11/21….Memo, affidavit, affidavit….all by LE
Filed…11/21….ORDER To Protect Desirees Medical/Mental Health Records from public view
Filed…11/25… Signed….KANTOR
Filed….11/28…Second order to Stay in its ENTIRETY till 8/1/13
Signed….Kantor
Rosenthall and LE +3/4
Bunch and Wagner -1
IMO….Desiree Young is willing to let this one drop, rather than take the chance on depos of her, TY etc. finally going through. And, of course her medical records being used in court. I haven’t heard her ranting against Dede. And even if she were does she really think she’ll get dscovery from Dede that would justify herself having to answer questions regarding her mental health that Rosenthal was VERY adamant would NOT get out to the public and would be SEALED in any form before that happened, and could only be “referred to” in court. There is something in those medical records she does NOT want out. More than just late pregnancy depression, suicide ideation, imo.
Be nice if in the course of
plea-bargaining he’d rat out
his associates.
@Blink. was there an associated Felony or Class A charge?
If not, is there adequate criminal history to secure those 77 months?
See Sheriff’s release policy (despite ICE preferences) announced last April:
“charged with a Felony or Class A Misdemeanor, or if ICE can prove a person without documentation has a criminal history that makes him or her a public safety threat.”
http://www.portlandoccupier.org/2013/04/12/cooler-heads-prevail-as-county-finally-cracks-old-ice-agreement/#sthash.9Clt25CN.dpuf
Do you believe AS-S is associated w/Kyron’s abduction, or has any relevant story to tell?
He does, is included in his pre-sentence report.
I think there are associations within the case, but that would be as far as I could go.
B
I know Terri doesn’t (at this time) have any say in what school Kiara attends, what I am wondering is whether or not she would object to Kiara attending Skyline Elementary. And, I am wondering, that if she does, then could this be the reason for Houze saying she will now contest the RO.
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/general-counsel/SUBPOE_need2no.pdf
PPS’ Gen Counsel’s guide to Subpoenaed staff
link found on p22-3 here:
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/admin-connection/PPS_School-Staff-HB_2012-13.pdf
@vw Yes 7 years is unusually long to be a school principal (counting co- years). Imo he was allowed to stay as he is a “favorite” administratively and his son was in Skyline. The interim iirc was a central office man working in curriculum who’d never been a principal & needed that on his resume. Perhaps they thought Skyline a manageable one year spot where he could be successful. Love to know which Principal assigned Miss Porter co-head of School Self-Assessment. Remarkabke btw Skyline has no Reading Specialist (per her report) or School Staff Development Resource Teacher (who should’ve led that Assessment).
Skyline School Service Day
Dear Skyline School Community and Neighbors:
Many of you are aware that on May 2, 2010, more than 125 volunteers from Sunset Presbyterian spent the day at Skyline School doing inside and outside projects. With the help of several Skyline parents, students and neighbors the amount of work that was done that day was truly amazing. In a continuing effort to support our school and complete the work started on May 2nd, Sunset Presbyterian volunteers will be returning on Sunday, August 29th for “Skyline Service Day”. Here are some of the projects that we will be doing:
* Finish painting exterior metal handrails.
* Finish painting trim in two classrooms.
* Paint one wall in the library.
* Clean out and reorganize “volunteer” room and “locker rooms” in basement of school.
* Landscaping around the school.
* Track maintenance
This will be our 10th and final year as Skyline parents and we are thrilled to partner with Sunset Presbyterian church for Skyline Service Day. This has been a difficult last few months for our Skyline staff and families, and we want to make sure that our school looks especially great when our kids return to class in September. As the project leaders we are seeking additional volunteers for the day from the Skyline community. In addition, we are looking for donations of water and snacks that we can provide to the volunteers during the day. If you are unable to volunteer we are also seeking monetary donations to help fund the purchase of supplies (paint, equipment, bark dust, etc.) needed for the day.
If you can help out in any capacity please contact us at maggieschweinfurth@comcast.net. Thanks so much!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8547.455;wap2
Sounds like the painting was done by volunteers from the church in May 2010 and not completed until later. May 2, 2010 was a Sunday, so unless the Horman’s were part of the volunteer group, I doubt Kyron would have been at the school that day.
@rose
Wasn’t Terri supposedly actively looking for a teaching job at the time of Kyron’s disappearance? If so, then I doubt she was considering home-schooling Kiara, but I don’t know if the job-searching was true or not.
I know we decided that the auto-call about Kyron going missing went out to all the district since there was no such auto-call system available to single out just Skyline, but……this sounds like at least by the next day, Saturday, it could be done, because it was done for other reasons:
11:35 a.m. — Schools spokesman Shelby says parents were notified of the all-day Sunday debriefing with police and federal agents via a robocall Saturday. The oldest students at the school began to arrive at 10 a.m.; kindergarteners and first grade students are set to arrive with parents later in the afternoon.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/day_three_search_continues_hun.html
So, either someone did some really quick work to get that system up overnight, or it was working to begin with. I don’t think a Sunday debriefing call would have gone out to the whole district do you?
Does anyone have a link to the original questionnaire that went out to the school? It was public, once. I just wanted to look at the questions again and all the news reports I went to: OLive, PortlandTrib, Examiner, WW, KGW, KOIN, where it was linked, have removed the link, which is sorta weird. Did anyone make a screen shot of it and post it anywhere?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/33249250/Kyron-Horman-Questionnaire
T. Ruth try this link
vw says:
July 6, 2013 at 2:12 am
Snip: IMO….Desiree Young is willing to let this one drop, rather than take the chance on depos of her, TY etc. finally going through. And, of course her medical records being used in court. I haven’t heard her ranting against Dede. And even if she were does she really think she’ll get dscovery from Dede that would justify herself having to answer questions regarding her mental health that Rosenthal was VERY adamant would NOT get out to the public and would be SEALED in any form before that happened, and could only be “referred to” in court. There is something in those medical records she does NOT want out. More than just late pregnancy depression, suicide ideation, imo.
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Agreed. I have often wondered what else was going on. I can not imagine being pregnant and having a husband in a relationship with another women. It would have been a cold day in he!! before I ever agreed to let my son take a name beginning with the letter “K”. I would never have let Kaine have that satisfaction and I wonder why she did. MOO
@TRuth
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:9HUkRApHLNYJ:www.scribd.com/doc/33249250/Kyron-Horman-Questionnaire+kyron+horman+skyline+school+questionnaire&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1
06.06.10
snips>
In response to Kyron Horman’s Friday disappearance from Skyline School, all K-8 schools within Portland Public Schools will start using automated dialer systems to notify parents when students are absent without preapproval, Superintendent Carole Smith announced Sunday.
She also said two additional school resource officers would be assigned to help monitor Skyline’s security starting Monday.
Until now, Skyline School officials did not generally call home concerning absences, said Portland schools spokesman Matt Shelby.
“It’s a really small school,” Shelby said. “They know their students and usually they know the reason for the absence.”
Personal calls for parental notification will be used until the automated system is in place at Skyline, which will likely take about a week, Smith said.
Currently, 37 out of 57 elementary and K-8 schools in the district use the dialing system, which is already in use at all of the district’s middle and high schools.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/portland_superintendent_carole_2.html
[Things I didn't catch on the first go round]
[4 state justice investigators/60 POI's. Who requested thee investigators, and did their investigation lead them towards or away from TH?]
Multnomah County Sheriff’s detectives, FBI agents and up to four state justice department investigators have spent the past six months examining at least 60 persons of interest in the disappearance of Kyron from his school.
[cell phone calls to/from? the Horman home. Who called from or to the Horman home? TH and KH were both gone until early to mid-afternoon and then left to pick up Kyron at the bus stop. Was someone at their house while they were gone, or did someone call them while they were home? It's like a 2 hr. window for TH and an hour window for KH, but a 6 hour window where the house was empty.]
Their multi-agency task force has looked at registered sex offenders in the area of the school, the Horman home, visitors to the school that day, and others who may have made cell phone calls that were routed to cell phone towers near the school, the Horman home and Sauvie Island the morning he disappeared.
[it was during the investigation of other potential POI's that the team realized the school's phone and computer log-on's were not preserved. Who was the POI that sparked the inquiry?]
During the investigation of the other potential persons of interest, the team realized that some evidence — namely phone records and computer log-on information from Skyline School the day Kyron went missing — were not kept by the school district as the sheriff’s office didn’t request the preservation of those records.
link:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/kyron_horman_task_force_to_dis.html
@TRuth. Yes, while volunteers painted on that preabduction 2010 workday, that’s 2 years later.
I remember Keefer mentioning “lead abatement” painting of trim having been done most likely in his back to school summary in Fall ’08. This was a lead job specifically linked to his fundraising for same in March 2008. He would not have given lead abatement painting to a volunteer imo, but it could’ve been to anyone who claimed to paint for a living. Whatever, FBI shoukd’ve gotten names of 2008-09 subs the pra used & interviewed them in their homes. Goes to knowledge of the school & ability to convey an aura of being “at home” there to passers by in the halls.
@erose. While Google maps may capture crime by fluke, a prior poster here was correct (maybe it was you) that a satellite has to be aimed at the scene (ie Skyline) intentionally. The Google programmer intended to record that location where a crime happened to occur at that time.
This technology has been around at least 4 decades. I was the first AA for Congress’ new Space Office (1 man) in Congress’ former Office of Tech Assessment). (Too bad Newt deepsixed that tech agency of Congress filled with scientists; we wouldn’t have an NSA gone wild in partnership I’m sure with DIA since Poindexter’s day). My first biggie was audio recording a meeting with Colby & crew. …On satellite resolution of ground images — which were up close but unimaginable to Americans then. My boss was heartsick when the recording was just fuzz. My fault I thot as a newbie. Of course now I realize Colby walked in the door with some jammer in his pocket.
@vw. I suppose Desiree/Rosenthal/ADA strategist managing abduction could have been behind Desiree’s bringing another cause of action in order to get J Kantor in charge of the action. More forum (aka Judge) shopping. It’s not like the ADA didn’t fo that with Meisenheimer/Rackner before. If so, I doubt he’d figure that out but would sail into the new red meat (“complex case mgmt”) heroically.
Imo possibly there was an intent by ADA to stop
DY case proceeding after a couple depos before
it was even filed.
Waaay back, there was some article somewhere about glasses being left somewhere and people wondering if they were Kyron’s.
Does anyone have further information? Was it decided that they belonged to someone else? Did someone think that SZ left them for some reason?
I also wondered about the hair they found on Sauvie Island, but nobody is sayin’ nuthin’ …odd
It is my unsubstantiated opinion that there is reason to believe that Ky’s glasses were located, or parts of them located, or some glasses related clue surfaced to provoke LE to released his pic without them, and to have DY and KH to discuss his fear of not having them.
B
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf/2013/07/steve_duin_a_sick_operator_in.html
Perv in The Dalles represented by Steve Houze
“Last September, Field — ably represented by defense attorney Steve Houze –was sentenced to 23 years in prison after pleading guilty to 11 counts of first-degree sex abuse and one count of first-degree rape in Wasco County. ”
…always wondered what ‘some’ lawyers do in their spare time, when they aren’t defending TMH.