Kyron Horman Missing: Civil Suit Against Terri Horman DELAYED AND SEALED- Prompted By NEW LEADS
Portland, OR- As many of you have been following since June 2010, there is a new development today in the disappearance of Kyron Horman.
As predicted at BOC, the civil suit brought by Deisree Young, Kyron’s Mother, against Terri Horman, Kyron’s step-mother and the defacto suspect in his disappearance has been granted an abatement.
In a sealed filing, motions by Assistant District Attorney Michael Schrunk and Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton were granted, delaying the suit . The motions included supporting affidavits that continuing the action as already ruled would compromise the investigation.
The decision presents an ironic twist .
Terri Horman’s lawyers originally fought vehemently to abate the action, but were unsuccessful. As recently as last week, the Judge in the case ordered medical records to be accessible to both parties to the action.
In Judge Kantnor’s decision to NOT abate the suit at the request of Attorney Peter Bunch for Terri Horman, the Multnomah County Prosecutors Office declared “no position” on the matter after being contacted by the court.
It is not known if that order prompted the request to delay the suit .
Sheriff Stanton, Eldin Rosenthal, Norm Frink and Stephen Houze declined comment at press time.
On Monday, Judge Henry Kantor granted the motions to abate the civil proceeding and ordered the motions and affidavits filed by the district attorney and sheriff sealed.
A hearing had been scheduled for Dec. 14 to hear Young’s attorney argue before the court to compel testimony from DeDe Spicher, an alleged witness in the case. Today’s ruling is likely to render a postponement of that proceeding.
Sheriff Dan Staton, told Oregon Live, it is based on early leads that are now panning out:
“There are a couple of investigative pieces that are going to open up,” Staton told The Oregonian Tuesday. “Our belief is they’re going to open up several investigative doors.”
He said the new “investigative avenues” are based on information collected in the early phase of the investigation that are now yielding some results.
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I notice in this year’s Skyline’s Eagle’s Nest news, the talent show’s day and time was announced. Has that always been the case? So many of us have wondered why, if Kyron was scheduled to preform in the talent show on the day he went missing, wasn’t it more of an issue when he became a no-show. I also have wondered about the email Terri sent to Ms. Porter the day he went missing about what time she could pick up Kyron’s science board.. was that ever substantiated? So many facts surrounding that day have remained hushed, which may if released bring more clarity.
T-ruth,
Yes. Strange. All links lead to nothing. P.Trib. does have an interesting article though. http://portlandtribune.com/component/content/article?id=31624
In it they mention Blink, Gates saying that TMH IS cooperating even at the moment they are asking Skyline to report seeing the white truck, and…discuss the contacts that HAVEN’t Been happening MCSO and the jail that perp uncle Christain Horman went into. Too busy investigating TMH?
Also, I did read, in Lynne Terry’s biographical article IIRC, that TMH completed her computer-based certification program for her Master’s in Ed. in the spring of 2010. But nothing about actively seeking employment….except for DY’s comment that she wanted Ms Porter’s job.
I paid fairly close attention to this because it must have been difficult with 3 kids to also do an online master’s program…..and I was also interested in the link between the perserverence in changing James’s last name, the 911 calls from the home in December, 2009….and getting James to Roseburg by the end of the first semester at Lincoln High School.
Seemed to me that TMH could very well have been planning to leave Kaine. Maybe take Kiara down to Roseburg too and leave Kyron with his dad to deal with. IMO she was fed up with his penny-pinching, etc. and wanted to get herself and Kiara away from a man who was “harsh”, at least, to her son.
@rose
Dec. 12, 2012.
Order Transferring Assignment
It is Hereby Ordered that assignment of this case is transferred for all purposes to the Honorable Henry Kantor. Counsel shall schedule all proceedings through Judge Kantor’s department.
Signed….Moureen McKnight, Chief Family Court Judge
I don’t know if I have this one on my blogs. Haven’t even been there for months. But as soon as Judge M. had “transitioned to senior status” Maureen sent this to Bunch and rackner.
Kantor is a CIVIL judge, however. IIRC it was Maureen M. that designated it, in the docket anyway, as Complex.
I wonder how many cases like this Kantor has ever officiated. And why would Kantor be her fist choice.
The three cases should be separate and now Kantor, according to Maxine, etc., won’t even let the contesting of the FAPA receive reciprical evidence JUST TO keep them all combined?
I’m on the fence as to whether the glasses are particularly relevant.
The easiest way to disguise Kyron would be to remove his glasses, glasses which are prominent in early pictures. The discussion of his fears without his glasses may have been just a move to humanize him to his captor.
On the other hand, there is a lot more known about this case than has been revealed to the public. School teachers may have been provided lawyers, but there are no reports of any “taking the 5th”. An email supposedly from TMH talks about a “male chaperone” – maybe the email was faked or the statement was made up, but I suspect there is some basis in fact. DY talks about some event occurring around “Kaine’s truck”. Her specific statement doesn’t make much sense (and KH downplayed it during the interview), but does suggest that some type of activity was witnessed around a white truck outside the school. I also find it hard to believe that TMH and Tanner were the only 2 people to interact with Kyron that morning. The stay in the lawsuit also suggests that DY, TY and KH know more than they have revealed.
If Kyron were “snatched” outside, maybe his glasses fell off and were found somewhere in or near the school. If so, however, I suspect that information would have leaked out.
Interestingly, DY’s lawsuit has apparently not involved depositions of any witnesses from Skyline other than TMH. Maybe the sole purpose of the case was to harass TMH and DDS, both of whom are apparently broke and have no money to pay in a judgment.
Found it, there’s one still out there anyway.
http://cf.komonews.com/kyron_flyerp.pdf
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It’s interesting to me that most of these questions are regarding Kyron’s whereabouts, but only one question about Terri, did you see her at the school.
Adult part:
“At any time did you see TERRI HORMAN at or near the school? YES / NO”
and the student part:
Did your child see KYRON’s step-mom, TERRI on 6/4/10, at or near the school? YES / NO
No question about what time did you see her….just questions about what time you saw Kyron and where and who was he with IF ANYONE.
Now this flyer was sent out on, I think, June 17. We all now know that Zimmerman and others had already confirmed that Terri was at the school, so why are they asking if anyone saw her there, but not when? If Terri is a POI at this time and is suspected of removing Kyron from the school, why wouldn’t they ask: What time did you see Terri Horman at the school? Where did you see her? Did you see Kyron in a truck? They don’t ask those things. They ask if anyone saw a F250 pickup. They show a picture of one, and the caption reads that Terri drove a “similar” one. Are they really asking people if they saw a F250 pickup that was NOT the Horman’s, but a similar one?
IMO, these, in retrospect are very strange questions, what do you guys think they were trying to establish here? And this question, what on earth are they trying to get someone to say here?:
Is there any additional information regarding your child being at Skyline School on June 4 that is important for the police to know?
*regarding your child* ?????? Are they trying to establish or confirm something else went on with another child there that day?
Confrontation with Kyron maybe? Something else that happened that day that affected *your* child? IDK, but it is weird as heck to me that they didn’t say “in regards to Kyron” in that sentence. What were they looking for?
@TRuth. I too would simply ask if he or she were seen … not time.
If any household member (and that’s how I’d have phrased it to
avoid response confusion) checked yes to either,
it would call for a personal interview
where time would be established if it could be.
One wouldn’t want anyone in the
home trying to establish the time with the child.
and you’d want to assess how secure their “time” memory was
in the in person interview (facial expression, pauses, etc).
RedRose says:
July 7, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Waaay back, there was some article somewhere about glasses being left somewhere and people wondering if they were Kyron’s.
Does anyone have further information? Was it decided that they belonged to someone else? Did someone think that SZ left them for some reason?
I also wondered about the hair they found on Sauvie Island, but nobody is sayin’ nuthin’ …odd
It is my unsubstantiated opinion that there is reason to believe that Ky’s glasses were located, or parts of them located, or some glasses related clue surfaced to provoke LE to released his pic without them, and to have DY and KH to discuss his fear of not having them.
B
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I wonder if it’s possible that someone, a witness, saw Kyron without his glasses while at the school?
I don’t personally believe that to be the case, fwiw.
B
What if whomever this credible witness that Desiree was quoting who saw Kyron outside the school by a truck, also said that Kyron didn’t have his glasses on? If this were the case, then a couple of things come to mind, one is that whomever took Kyron may have asked Kyron to remove his glasses, in other words, someone he knew, because it doesn’t sound like he would be comfortable doing so with someone he did not know. Or, maybe Kyron got into some sort of altercation with another student and his glasses got broken so he could not put them back on? Did he possibly leave with another child’s parent? Or, whomever this credible witness was, didn’t really see Kyron at all, but another child who looked like Kyron only no glasses.
I’m still trying to figure out what DY meant when she said Kyron saw it all, he was involved. Is it possible Terri got into an altercation in the parking lot and Kyron’s glasses got busted in the process? Aaargh, it’s all speculation. We truly know so little. I wish LE would get some sort of solid break in this case, August 1 is just around the corner. What happened to the new leads? More leads that went nowhere?
@vw. Imo the way the system works would be Meisenheimer would kibbitz with Kantor he’s retiring & ask Kantor (likely a social system crony) to take the cases. Kantor goes to Maureen & asks for case assignment. What’s a good peer to do but assign a quixotic interested “hero for the childrens’ sake”–anyone would rely that Kantor would steer the ship along Meisenheimer’s child defense course. Some of Maureen’s litigant press critique online does not reflect well. Url posted here before–weeping in Court iirc.
@TRuth. I went & read your flier link after the fact sorry
http://cf.komonews.com/kyron_flyerp.pdf
it did call for the time. how dumb of mcso.
if later memory underle questioning changed that time,
or the memory was not secure, at trial the
Defense could use this written product to discredit a witness.
So many flier errors in grammar, spelling, and such poor word choices,
imo it must have been drafted by mcso, definitely not fbi.
@T,Ruth.
Great researching. Thanks.
Only reason I can think of is that they WERE targeting TMH at that time, but were asking those questions so that anyone who said yes would be interviewed?
Again? Because they had already interviewed them. 400, I think they proudly stated.
But why NOT secure the school if those initial interviews weren’t giving them the leads they needed?
And they, obviously didn’t interview everyone at the school. They should have sent the form to Dave Stenson….it was over a month later that he volunteered his “testimony” regarding the white truck (his own) ;-(
IMO the statement regarding Terri cooperating was to try to see if someone would try to contact her, threaten her, etc. if they thought she was going to spill the beans about Kyron. Similar to the weird news stories about TMH walking around the neighborhood in Roseburg by herself. I always thought they were watching her to see if someone would get in touch.
vw says:
July 8, 2013 at 2:55 am
(snipped)
Also, I did read, in Lynne Terry’s biographical article IIRC, that TMH completed her computer-based certification program for her Master’s in Ed. in the spring of 2010. But nothing about actively seeking employment….except for DY’s comment that she wanted Ms Porter’s job.
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You bring up another good point, if that’s true, how is it Terri was able to do that while being falling-down-drunk most nights, passed out on the couch and of course hung-over the next day, all while caring for her less than 18-month daughter every day?
@erose. TY for info. That writeup stemming imo from a mcso pr spokesman (60 poi’s etc) likely means nothing more than screening 60 staff, or getting to 60 on The List not previously seen to. It needn’t have Relevant Importance and probably doesn’t with such a large group.
The real key, imo, is what detective team leader is in charge of the investigation at this juncture–directing the questions asked, of whom, & analyzing the data. Imo a 60-person list is more likely a “go back & cover your ass” list for Court when Teri’s in the dock.
60 persons of interest in a child abduction is tantamount to drawing a circle around the solar system, turning out the lights and asking a caterpillar to list the planets in order of creation.
Dramatic snark, yes. Within the confines of investigative circles let’s just say it defies any investigative model I have ever been exposed to.
That is an unfailingly negligent way of dividing overtime and applying a cost hours per poi ratio.
Kills me to say that, but I believe it. Lastly, that line will go a long way in the FOIA requests that are about to line up if this thing stalls again in a few weeks.
B
Yep.
Rose says:
July 7, 2013 at 12:12 pm
(Too bad Newt deepsixed that tech agency of Congress filled with scientists;..)
I have often wondered the same. I think this is where the whole notion of Kyron moving back with DY came in to play. Where DY said she wanted to have Kyron move back with her but KH said no. I know very little about family law, but this much I do know, it takes a significant change in circumstance to change physical custody of a child. TH (primary caregiver) leaving the home would constitute such a change for a judge’s consideration. That would be all the ammo DY needed to return to court and seek physical custody of Kyron.
DY claimed that TH emailed her daily, sometimes multiple times and lengthy. She also claimed that TH complained about KH and Porter. DY must have had some feeling of satisfaction that DY and KH’s relationship was on the skids. Bottom line for me, looking from DY’s perspective is that she wanted Kyron. KH stood in her way. KH was the enemy in that battle. If we presume that TH was also engaged in battle of sorts with KH, ie. preparing to leave him, then all I can surmise is that “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” status existed with TH and DY. This seems true with the statement DY makes about TH emailing her daily. There had to be some reciprocation from DY for TH to keep emailing.
KH, otoh, might have seen the alliance of his ex-wife and his soon to be ex-wife forming and saw the threat losing custody of one or both of his children. All it could take is both women testifying for the other at their separate custody hearings about “the ways” of KH and he might have been sending support checks to two women.
vw says:
July 8, 2013 at 2:55 am
snip>
Seemed to me that TMH could very well have been planning to leave Kaine. Maybe take Kiara down to Roseburg too and leave Kyron with his dad to deal with. IMO she was fed up with his penny-pinching, etc. and wanted to get herself and Kiara away from a man who was “harsh”, at least, to her son.
bottom line for me is why did they choose Terri as the target? school ignored, bios ignored, SO’s ignored, stranger pervs ignored. And then all the secrecy. Why gag everybody?
You got it Blink.
It’s the ‘ol Overtime motivation.
Hard to give up a gravy train.
I think that ALL of the federal, state and local LE persons are working on something they think is bigger than Kyron or KH or TMH or Intel or the gym-druggies … finally doing a major drug thing and are trying to get everything lined up, are afraid to tell a single thing for fear of blowing the whole operation out of the water, and I also think that they just feel that little kYron was collateral damage, can’t do anyting about that now, so why bother, and that is why they aren’t saying anything. They are working to get the drug thing under total control and all arrested.
hmmm. I had a comment that was there, and then it disappeared.
well, no matter.
Whoever said that, whichever reporter or LE or KH, I think it’s all a bunch of baloney. (copy/pasted everything because I can’t tell who said what, below).
I think that “falling down drunk” was KH’s way of thinking “Yeah, I’ll say that and make her look REALLY bad.” She may have had an extra drink now and then, but I really doubt she would be loopy.
Of course, married to a control freak, well, maybe that would be her only way out. He sure found a way to use it against her. And everybody bought it.
I had another thought.
I think that somewhere on this discussion group with all of the ideas floating around, I’ll bet that someone has hit the nail squarely on the head and has speculated (and been right) about what might have happened, or who did what.
By the way, Blink? Is there any chance that SZ might be on this group?
@T. Ruth says:July 8, 2013 at 6:41 pm
vw says:July 8, 2013 at 2:55 am
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You bring up another good point, if that’s true, how is it Terri was able to do that while being falling-down-drunk most nights, passed out on the couch and of course hung-over the next day, all while caring for her less than 18-month daughter every day?
RedRose says:
July 7, 2013 at 2:48 pm
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf/2013/07/steve_duin_a_sick_operator_in.html
Perv in The Dalles represented by Steve Houze
“Last September, Field — ably represented by defense attorney Steve Houze –was sentenced to 23 years in prison after pleading guilty to 11 counts of first-degree sex abuse and one count of first-degree rape in Wasco County. ”
…always wondered what ‘some’ lawyers do in their spare time, when they aren’t defending TMH.
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Houze is not necessarily known for helping his clients get away with crimes, but for the plea and sentencing deals he gets for his clients who could have done much worse in court, and of course, his meticulous attention to legal details. He may well be the only person in this entire “cast of thousands” (main players, reporters, LE, judges, school staff, community members, volunteers, workmen, etc.) that I completely trust. JMO.
@erose.
KH, otoh, might have seen the alliance of his ex-wife and his soon to be ex-wife forming and saw the threat losing custody of one or both of his children. All it could take is both women testifying for the other at their separate custody hearings about “the ways” of KH and he might have been sending support
to two women.
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So true, erose.
And, damn it, how society seems to relish pitting one woman against the other. I see that even in myself..staunch feminist that i am. If DY and TMH could have truly gotten beyond their reliance on the “men” in their lives, and the way that society thinks they MUST behave, than DY’s statement about knowing what TMH was going through (with Kaine) could have turned into support rather than rancor coupled with fear of another woman.
@erose. I think DY’s marriage and stable job and Kyron’s
expressed wishes to a GAL at his age would have done it. In her shoes,
I’d also gotten a copy of his med records and asked for a psychological
to substantiate need for a change of setting. I believe the barrier was
expense and lack of funds on DY’s part, not Kaine’s opposition.
She apparently even today lacks funds to pay a lawyer and Court expenses.
What did she have to lose by filing for a change of custody,
asking for a GAL, subpoenaing his med records, except for losing, which
is OK as she’d be in the same position. Imo she lacked independent money
to go after a greater degree of physical custody.
I think she lacked standing due to her loss at a bid for custody of Quinn, imo.
B
OT case comparison wrt release of info
I suppose one could argue Mass. has more professional judges at hand, but the Judge below could only rule based on litigation (to release case info to the public) to obtain information by Press. So in reality, Mass. residents can thank the Press. I guess it takes a Town where case attorneys, Judges, and spouses don’t share social circles with Publishers and Court/crime reporters, or don’t let that impact their work. This Mass case is one where foia’s are unnecessary. And this Court has no fear of “harming the investigation” where it comes to the public’s interest in gov’t prosecutions.
case papers to be released:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/08/justice/massachusetts-hernandez-shooting-documents/index.html
search warrants, etc.
looking at the figure-ground differently, one might say mcso/DA have by means of these 3 Court cases imo they instigated effectively sealed the mouths of & silenced both bios, the only twopossible Kyron advocates who coukd criticize their investigation. Due to the 3 cases postures there is no chance either bio will speak out & advocate for Kyron by calling out mcso. In any other case or jurisdiction, a Sheriff’s Dream.
Agreed in theory, and as long as DY and KH believe TMH is culpable in some way without questioning that viability if TMH wants any shot at a life, she has to dig her way out of that bunker in their eyes.
If there is no indictment by the time the deadlines for the contested RO and other 2 cases roll around, preserving the record is not enough representation, imo.
Underhill has no intention of shouldering the debacle, imo.
B
#10 on Flyer
Almost an afterthought? Interestingly, apparently NO parent or staff member put down Stenson (mowing the lawn)? And Stenson didn’t get this, although Portland Parks and Recreation supplied the weekly job. Was Keefer that unaware? Stenson had to come to MCSO himself, after the “presser” in August to let them know he and his WHITE vehicle were on the access road. Makes you wonder who else they missed when they “investigated” for 2 months and avoided this elephant in in their midst, and possible staged the presser “white truck on access road #2″ to identify Dede et. al when it was really Stenson?
#1 Oops. (stenson)
#2 Oops (letting PPS “lose” the morning technical data)
#3 Oops (sting…who would call 911 when her MFH tries to get her to talk). No wonder they are trying to force a confession from TMH by stripping her of child and livelihood. Houze’s camp doesn’t even need depos with this kind of sloppiness.
+++ snip+++
# 10.Is there any additional information about 6/4/10 that you believe is important for the police to know
(examples—suspicious persons, vehicles, etc) and / or would you like further contact by a
detective?______________________________________________________________________
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@blink, rose, et al
What does it take to get a case assigned to another judge? How many of his findings/orders so far have gone against TMH vs KH or DY? Technical question.
@Blink. Now I don’t see the bios thinking TH is culpable or has undisclosed info as emanating from themselves anymore–their emotions, knowledge of her, etc. Now I believe some gov’t employee told them both this–either the ADA working the case the first year and/or an mcso employee who need not be the Sheriff. Until that same gov’t employee tells them differently, their “thinking” is stuck.
As far as Underhill shouldering the debacle, imo he doesn’t call the shots. He was elected once. He’s had his bite at the apple and cannot expect further political patronage without cooperation with those who do call the shots politically and could run a very attractive candidate against himtomorrow. Kitzhaber has imo rescued hislegislative friend’s daughter, who was the ADa on this case, with a lovely State job under his wing. He could do the same, or nothing, or field a competitor to Underhill. The real power though locally in these races comes from thise with the power of the local purse, current or former County Commissioners, likely they’re not going to sacrifice Staton after the money they voted for this investigation. For the County Comms, better Underhill look bad than them. Imo Underhill should get ready for a private practice, or a branch of State or Fed gov’t imo, politically speaking. I can’t see Randy Leonard take a fall for Underhill.
Excellent grasp of the landscape Rose, and I agree, however, the fact that the State has made on-record commitments to “doing something specific” is in play. Not to distill the issue from Ky, but let’s be honest- Underhill fears the waterboard Houze can dispense- he has reason to.
Needs Federal oversight- more money flying around here than buried with Hoffa.
B
vw says:
July 8, 2013 at 2:55 am
T-ruth,
Also, I did read, in Lynne Terry’s biographical article IIRC, that TMH completed her computer-based certification program for her Master’s in Ed. in the spring of 2010. But nothing about actively seeking employment….except for DY’s comment that she wanted Ms Porter’s job.
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TMH let her teaching license lapse, then renewed it after completing her course work – Feb., 2010. Here’s a post I did in Dec. of 2010. It led me to believe (IMO) she was preparing to apply for a job. Even if she subbed again, she would have made fairly good money. And of course, she could have applied anywhere in Oregon if she was planning on leaving – certainly would not have had to apply to PPS if she didn’t want to.
The question in my mind was whether she wanted to apply for a job, or was being pressured to do that. I vote for it being her choice. She doesn’t seem that easy to push and there are lots of confidential ways to stall. However, maybe she wasn’t thinking of leaving KH but thinking he might leave her if she thought he was having an affair – or thinking about being a widow? One of many sad things about this whole situation is that based on her past and what people have said about her, TH would probably have been very happy working in the classroom again.
previous post (snipped):
April 30th, 2010 change for license renewal:
http://www.tspc.state.or.us/news.asp?option=&id=371
Recency requirements were removed from the rules by the Teacher Standards and Practices Commission at their April 30th meeting.
Removal of these requirements means that licensees will NO LONGER need to meet the one full year of experience during the life of the license for renewal, or the following equivalent combinations that could be substituted:
One hundred eighty days of teaching in schools; Any combination of time .5 FTE or more that totals 180 days of experience during the life of the license will be accepted; or nine quarter or six semester hours of preparation completed in a regionally accredited institution; or a combination of experience and academic credit germane to the license may be submitted in satisfaction of this requirement in which one quarter hour of preparation equals 20 days and one semester hour equals 30 days of experience.
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Terri renewed her teaching license in February (2010) before the changes above by submitting coursework in lieu of experience. She did not do enough coursework (based on the number of hours needed) to earn an endorsement in any related area. If she had, it should have been mentioned along with her license when she renewed. She is allowed to list volunteer hours in lieu of coursework, but it doesn’t appear she did. You have to have administrative verification of volunteer hours if you submit them for renewal. A resume can say anything until someone wants to verify your hours.
A “basic license” is acceptable, but is worth very little in a competitive market, except for substituting. Many years ago, I came to Oregon and had to get a basic license because I did not take Oregon history in another state. Even then I was fortunate to get hired when many of my colleagues had master’s degrees and/or many years of experience. Now you have administrators looking for “highly qualified” teachers because of the “No Child Left Behind” changes and there are national tests you can take and endorsements you can earn to bolster your qualifications. A basic license with no experience in your own classroom (vs subbing) and the limited references she would have doesn’t put her in a very good position to get a job.
Skyline School’s focus on the IB program would make getting a job there with only a basic license and limited experience very difficult or impossible even if other teachers were not as good at teaching as you thought you were. There are many other well-qualified candidates in line for every teaching job. Now, if Keefer had been supporting her application, who knows?
went to the file room today. got the RO renewal. I ran it through OCR which picked up the typed parts, didn’t always read the handwritten and date stamped bits. Things to note: 1. you will see from the transaction record that all 6 pages, that is judgment to renew as well as petition to renew were transmitted at the same time, after the hearing. petition was NOT filed ahead of the hearing. NO updated info as to current danger to K and Kiara. My favorite bit is the Notary Public’s certification that Kaine signed it in front of her. DATE in June is left blank. It was undoubtedly notarized the week following the hearing, and the notary was not willing to falsify the date. IMO they did not want that late date in the record. HOpe you find lots more stuff to discuss!
If Blink has a way to post it, I have the images combined into a pdf and can email it to an address if it would be useful.
I will be posting the PDF thanks to grasshopper, but her observations as you will see, are spot on.
Nice job grasshopper!
B
@vw. imo from this layperson, that doesn’t happen
unless a Judge recuses himself due to a conflict or a
Motion to Recuse succeeds…and
who’d file that one?
I was just reflecting last night about Portland’s roots in Shrunk’s father’s era and wondered how much had changed wrt the coalitions that ran Portland then, which included imo the Political, Courts, LE, Crime (mob), and Press social systems, so I find your money and Hoffa comment on point. Probably why the Federal DOJ/FBI tip line in re public corruption was set up. So far the City Administrator is the sacrificial lamb in the Press which tells me he has no juice. Portland’s landscape reminds me of a bad crime novel when viewed thru its impact on Kyron’s investigation.
Last night I went & read on that Dem. “Mr Hardworking & Righteous” senator Wyden, about whom I knew little. Connected to same synagogue circle, tho he wasn’t religious til Wife 1. I did form the opinion that to be elected in Portland one has to have roots in and be beholden to the interests running Portland whatever they are–but unions and “old Portland” come to mind imo.
interesting reading.
former DA then criminal def attorney has his (former PPD
homicide detective) criminal investigator killed (he thinks) secondary to knowledge of corruption rising to murders:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1789399/posts
I’d forgotten about this comment from Kaine. Terri was looking for work, according to Kaine:
“She recently got her teaching license re-instated and has been applying for teaching positions so even the state of Oregon didn’t see this coming,” wrote Kaine Horman.
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kaine-Horman-Terri-was-a-good-person-when-we-first-met-98620944.html
This was just one more of those weird statements KH made. WTH did the state of Oregon not see coming? This was also an interview where he contradicted himself about just when Terri became *different*.
Anywho, good question MBS, why was Terri actively looking for work when she had a little toddler to tend to? One would think, in a perfect world/marriage, she would wait until Kiara was in Kindergarten.
My guess is that it is a better view than that of someone else’s thumb.
B
Okay, so thinking about the original flyer questions again. Here’s my thoughts:
1. LE did not ask at what time anyone saw Terri Horman, because they already know precisely when she was and wasn’t there. IOW, more than one person they had already interviewed said they saw Terri @8:15, touring the science fair and leave, sans Kyron. They do not know however, exactly when Kyron disappeared, so they did ask for the time he was seen.
2. So, the reason that LE asked everyone whether or not they saw Terri at all, is just as vw said upthread, they want to talk to them (again?) most likely to determine if one of them was Terri’s accomplice, because in order for their theory regarding Terri’s involvement to gel, they know she had to have one. So, if everyone who was there that day filled one out, they hoped to rule them in/out in that regard. Of course, this didn’t work, because we’re pretty sure Stenson didn’t fill one out and he was there, who else did they miss? SZ?
3. OR, they aren’t looking at Terri at all, but some other family member and want them to think they are looking at Terri.
Does this make sense? It’s the only thing that makes sense to me.
Maybe they showed the photo of Mystery Man to everyone who was at the school that day that said they saw Terri, because they wanted to know if anyone saw them together at any point? They maybe know who he is, but he has an alibi and were just trying to find a connection to Terri? Maybe the mayor thought LE needed to ID him, but got it wrong, and they just wanted to know if Terri knew him. IDK?
Looking further, that criminal def attorney & kin were discredited by Shrunk in short order, handily.
Noting today’s new principal rotations announcement in the Oregonian, among them, Kevin Crockett was Skyline Principal preceding Keefer.
His last SIP Report for the educators among us: http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools-c/pages/skyline/parents/sip.pdf
He went to Forest Park and is now moving on.
This last year, Skyline’s interim, David Wood, a previous high school curriculum employee, was Asst Prin at Peninsula School: http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/peninsula/160.htm
He will return next year:
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/peninsula/files/2012-13_newsletters/June2013_news.pdf
Noting today’s new principal rotations announcement in the Oregonian, among them, Kevin Crockett was Skyline Principal preceding Keefer.
His last Skyline SIP Report for the educators among us: http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools-c/pages/skyline/parents/sip.pdf
He went to Forest Park and is now moving on.
Kaine’s comment she was applying for teaching jobs is unverified from any other source and imo that statement’s only reasonable purpose was to reduce alimony in his Court action.
Respectfully Rose, her seeking employment and not getting it is absolutely in her favor for in limine or pende lite alimony at a minimum. She took care of 3 children, obtained her masters and teaching cert in the process, and was still schlepping Kyron back and forth to Medford in lieu of Kaine, his biological parent. Their red tree frog display was a resume for her ( not to draw the stoning from some, it all is as parents).
For her to take that hit, she has to be willfully unemployed. That is absolutely never going to be proven because it is false.
Keeping consideration that alimony and child support are 2 different scales, of course.
B
TY Blink. I live & learn. I was looking at it as representing she was employable, therefore less in need of alimony.
I failed to take it a step further–the culpability for why she became unemployable.
Well it is definitely arguable either way. The counter being that she has no custodial rights so what attempts has she made to locate a job she is qualified for? Engel will argue that she is not working in an effort to not pay support for Kiara or alimony ( that alimony thing is ridiculous and Engel knows that- under Or statute she is entitled to her share of the assets outside of that issue.
I don’t think she would have a problem saying she was not employable in Roseburg where DY and her posse went through the town with flyers and also with the very public FB sites containing hateful and negative commentary.
Personally, I would be very interested to know if Kaine took her off of his health plan.
B
don’t forget she had to deal with the yard with
Kaine’s unwillingness to pay yardworkers and
had to get the house repairs done, she said.
Not to mention he travelled at times for work.
There is no doubt in my mind that in addition to those factors, the fact that almost exclusively she was commuting for the Medford exchange on her own as well. Attending school, volunteering, etc.
I have not checked statute, however, in many jurisdictions something called the nurture doctrine comes into play with pre-school age children and the primary care giver- which is why Kaine specified that he was in his filings.
All of this is of course subject to the last 3 years.
B
From Lynne Terry’s article, August 2010:
(snip)
Court records show that Desiree had primary custody of Kyron after her divorce with Kaine in early 2003. Both Kaine and Desiree said they worked out a joint arrangement: Kyron stayed with Desiree at night, was in day care and then spent two hours every afternoon at the Aloha house where Terri, Kaine and James were living.
(snip)
In 2003, Terri earned a master’s of art education from Pacific University in Forest Grove and was an on-call teacher for the Hillsboro School District, remaining available as a sub until 2006.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html
^^ According to the above, Kyron was an infant (no Kiara yet) when the Master’s was obtained in 2003.
Not sure from the article when the actual last date of a substitute teaching job was, though. Was it 2002 or 2006 – - – anyone know?
additional article snip:
“In February 2001, the couple bought a house in Aloha with help from Horman’s parents. Then in March, she was hired as a substitute in the Hillsboro School District.
Through mid-June 2002, she held teaching jobs at Eastwood, Mooberry and Lenox elementary schools that lasted several months each.”
Also from Lynne Terry’s August 2010 OLive article:
“For the past two years she has been on unemployment and contributed as much as she could to the household expenses.”
Anyone know when the unemployment benefits were ending?
TIA.
This came out July 8th. I hope this approach makes an impact – something has to be done.
http://mcda.us/index.php/news/district-attorney-announces-formation-of-human-trafficking-team/
@Blink. Oregon is a 50/50 state. everything is divided in half. The more TMH does NOT have the more she gets. Was going thru her bio by lynne terry. She not only held part-time teaching jobs but after she met Kaine she worked several stints a restaurant manager. Kaine said she was spending “our” money. So he acknowleged her contributions: from her resaurant jobs, subbing, or just childcare payments from Eker.
And the sheltered nook thing. TMH bought her house with her mom’s help, according to the Lynne Terri
biography. When she sold it did she help Kaine purchase the sheltered nook home?
@mbs. Yes. looked at the artlcle again. Lynne Terry states “licence valid till 2007. Took a break and renewed it in 2010.” You’re right, renewal is getting tougher if you haven’t been teaching. I retired from full time awhile back. I renewed in 2012 but had had some long stints subbing and still had cpu credits from withing the previous licensure. Otherwise…it would have been difficult.
And it is especially hard to get a job…in Portland, anyway. So many of the “vacant” positions are really being held for current applicants from within.
But I was offered many positions in outlying districts, even with 19 years of experience. I don’t know if TMH had a special ed certification. But if she did she would have been a shoe-in. We don’t know how Keefer really felt about her. Nor Porter. But it is possible that other than the lower grades she really was not in the “Know” at skyline. Not much is mentioned about her being on school committees, etc. She was much too busy, i would think. She worked as a manager of at least 2 restaurants while married to Kaine. And all the Kyron responsibilities…despite what Kaine says…you are NOT a primary caregiver if you merely take your kid to daycare and pick him up on the way home.
@grasshopper. Saw that. No date from the notary on when Kaine filed this request to renew. Think it’s just about time for houze/bunch to make their move here. Houze did not look affable, and i’d venture he was ticked about the short notice.
How much time did Bunch have to get to the hearing? On a Friday evening.
Can’t wait to read the motion to request a hearing. I can NOT believe they won’t do it. Houze has a reputation for plea deals if he thinks someone is guilty and for winning if he doesn’t. There must be something special (blink?) about 3 years in parallel cases like this. It makes sense that you’d give LE three years to come up with SOMETHING.
After then…what? How could a judge believe just Kaine when he says TMH is a danger to his life and his family.
I will try to get it up on my blog tonight, too, as well as Blink.
And get down there myself this week.
If TMH has any culpability in this, I firmly believe Houze would be aware and negotiate accordingly for his client. Imo, there is simply no better Atty in that region to understand, navigate and frankly, hold at bay, both LE and the DA than Houze.
That said, with the size of his retainer, I have to assume quite a bit of work went on, and continues to behind the scenes.
B
http://www.wweek.com/portland/m/article-20883-mobile.html#_Article
“Another sign everyone thinks they look good in black: Nearly 50 lawyers and judges have applied to fill three new positions on the Oregon Court of Appeals, including Brandon Mayfield, falsely accused by the U.S. government of involvement in the deadly 2004 Madrid bombing; former Oregon Commissioner of Labor and Industries Jack Roberts; and Portland lawyer Tim Volpert, who lost an appeals court race in 2012. The positions —created by the 2012 Legislature and funded this year—pay $122,820 annually. Gov. John Kitzhaber’s office says he expects to make his pick by mid-October.”
Is Kantor is 1 of the 50? Idk my guess is he will continue to try for the Fed Bench, having made the short list once.
Is there a list somewhere? Would have to announce the potential for the bid I believe.
B
Well, well, wpg. So Terri put money down on their first house (Aloha).
Before marriage I presume. their deed would reflect that.
the Aloha house wouldn’t have been in Kaine’s name solely and would’ve been a funds source for house 2.
Seems to me at Kiara’s age, Terri would’ve had a slam dunk of a divorce in 2010 were Kyron not taken.
Kaine’s household was kept afloat with Ecker’s monthly which was significant, Terri’s subbing and then unemployment, the remains of her settlement. How’s he keeping that same household ship afloat having subtracted that and added legal bills?
The six figure ones you mean?
B
Rose, looks like Kevin Crotchett (not Crockett, or does he use both, because this article has both spellings: http://portlandtribune.com/scc/123-education/156316-principals-change-at-jackson- ) was a principal at Skyline *at the same time* as Ben Keefer here in this Eagles’ Nest from October 27, 2003:
http://www.123people.com/ext/frm?ti=person%20finder&search_term=ben%20keefer&search_country=US&st=person%20finder&target_url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5wcHMuazEyLm9yLnVzL3NjaG9vbHMtYy9wYWdlcy9za3lsaW5lL2VhZ2xlLzEwMjcwMy5wZGY%3D§ion=document&wrt_id=257
Community news printed in
the Eagle’s Nest can be sent
to Kevin Crotchett or Ben Keefer, Principals, Skyline
Elementary.
*****
Weird, two principals? Is this when BK was being called assistant principal?
Rose says:
July 11, 2013 at 10:57 am
“Well, well, wpg. So Terri put money down on their first house (Aloha).”
That was with Ecker, Rose.
Rose,
A few of the snips from OLive article, pertaining to TMH’s and RE’s home of 1 year or so in Aloha, followed by TMH living in a Beaverton condo, followed by KH’s home in Aloha:
(snip)
“After graduating in 2000, Horman got a basic teaching license and the couple moved to Beaverton, where she hoped to find a teaching job. In February 2001, the couple bought a house in Aloha with help from Horman’s parents.”
(snip)
“In January 2002, Horman and Ecker were divorced.”
(snip)
“Kyron was born Sept. 9.
At the time, Terri was living in a condo in Beaverton with her son. James, who was 8, remembers Kaine bringing Kyron over to the condo as a tiny baby.
In mid-December 2002, Terri and James moved into his house in Aloha, Kaine said.”
Keefer was called a Co-Principal in Eagles Nest
at least one of the years they overlapped. I too
found it odd.