Kyron Horman Missing: Civil Suit Against Terri Horman DELAYED AND SEALED- Prompted By NEW LEADS
Portland, OR- As many of you have been following since June 2010, there is a new development today in the disappearance of Kyron Horman.
As predicted at BOC, the civil suit brought by Deisree Young, Kyron’s Mother, against Terri Horman, Kyron’s step-mother and the defacto suspect in his disappearance has been granted an abatement.
In a sealed filing, motions by Assistant District Attorney Michael Schrunk and Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton were granted, delaying the suit . The motions included supporting affidavits that continuing the action as already ruled would compromise the investigation.
The decision presents an ironic twist .
Terri Horman’s lawyers originally fought vehemently to abate the action, but were unsuccessful. As recently as last week, the Judge in the case ordered medical records to be accessible to both parties to the action.
In Judge Kantnor’s decision to NOT abate the suit at the request of Attorney Peter Bunch for Terri Horman, the Multnomah County Prosecutors Office declared “no position” on the matter after being contacted by the court.
It is not known if that order prompted the request to delay the suit .
Sheriff Stanton, Eldin Rosenthal, Norm Frink and Stephen Houze declined comment at press time.
On Monday, Judge Henry Kantor granted the motions to abate the civil proceeding and ordered the motions and affidavits filed by the district attorney and sheriff sealed.
A hearing had been scheduled for Dec. 14 to hear Young’s attorney argue before the court to compel testimony from DeDe Spicher, an alleged witness in the case. Today’s ruling is likely to render a postponement of that proceeding.
Sheriff Dan Staton, told Oregon Live, it is based on early leads that are now panning out:
“There are a couple of investigative pieces that are going to open up,” Staton told The Oregonian Tuesday. “Our belief is they’re going to open up several investigative doors.”
He said the new “investigative avenues” are based on information collected in the early phase of the investigation that are now yielding some results.
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T. Ruth says:
July 16, 2013 at 12:07 pm
If Terri gave Ms. Porter evaluation paperwork on Thursday, June 3, AND
Ms. Porter *thought* that Terri took Kyron to the doctor on Friday, June 4, would it not make sense that Porter would have given it back to Terri prior to June 4, or at the very least that morning, so that Terri could take it to the doctor with her? It would make no sense to mail it to the doctor if Porter thought the appointment was the next day.
None of this is making any sense to me. Terri makes an appointment for Kyron sometime Thursday, June 3rd, for the following Friday, June 11th. She also goes to the school that day (June 3rd) and hands Ms. Porter some eval paperwork requested (I assume) by the doctor. Where and when did Terri get this paperwork, if it is an evaluation form? Why would Porter think that the doctor appointment was the next day?
AND
wpg says:
July 16, 2013 at 12:48 pm
Blink,
I’m confused on “Thursday’s” timeline.
If TMH made the appointment on that Thursday (June 3), did she do so before she left home that morning to drive Kyron to school with his project?
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Terri could have printed the form(PDF?) on her printer at home from the doctors website . That is what i do if my doctor needs me to fill out a form which the practice has in an online format.
Or she could have gone to the Doctors office on Thursday and picked up the form. Since the Science fair projects were probably not delivered to the school until after 3:00 PM at the end of the school day on Thursday she would have had all day to obtain the form.
Neighbor hinted that the projects were delivered after 3:00 PM on Thursday June 3.
Also I don’t think that the Skyline school would have interrupted or canceled the entire school day on June 3 just to get the science projects set up when the Science fair was on the following Friday June 4.
I think Kyron probably took the bus to school on June 3 just like another day. Terri took Kyron to school in the morning on Friday june 4. She drove the truck on June 4 to bring the science project home.
JMO
Cogen’s judgment on Kyron’s investigation, July 2010:
http://www.wweek.com/portland/m/blog-929-mobile.html#_Article
I dislike anyone who calls the woman “stupid” and dumps her the second he’s caught.
(See today’s OLive & KATU).
Wonder what political figure gives Olive & katu stories at virtually the same time?
Rose says:
@herveness.
looks like 3 more State jobs just opened up for Kitz team players:
The apparent genesis/history of Mon nite’s computer crash is rich:
http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/06/oregon_employment_department_c.html
get this: “Pohlman’s credibility, however, came into question in March when he was arrested on accusations of drugging and sexually assaulting several women in Portland. He pleaded not guilty.”
Reminds me of a similar Defense Dept software development /paycheck story tonite on npr where the institution didn’t support integrated IT software reform under Gates so $1 Billion in software development was dumped before fruition.
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Completely different computer systems. Still bad leadership, but the computer system in place now is not the same one that never got off the ground.
Search for the DAS report recently released (last week?) if you want some really good insight into some of the “leadership.” When I stated Shelby was going from the frying pan to the fryer/fire, I wasn’t kidding.
What I find interesting is that all these people are getting jobs in the state system when there is a hiring freeze still in play at the state level.
@erose
Yes, that statement can be taken two ways, actually three.
take Kyron with Kitty to her doctor appointment.
take Kyron with Kitty to his doctor appointment.
take Kyron with Kitty to a doctor appointment.
It was Matt Shelby and Kim Holm who said the teacher(s) thought he went with Terri to a doctor appointment.
Jaymie Finster (allegedly speaking for Terri) said that Kyron had a doctor appointment on June 11, as well as Terri herself in the email that surfaced.
@grasshopper says:
July 15, 2013 at 11:07 pm
Grasshopper, from what we know of Terri’s timeline, IIRC, the unaccounted for time (i.e., according to Terri, the time she was driving Kiara around to try to get her to sleep) was somewhere around 35-40 minutes. It turned out it was not enough time to get to SI and back though. Of course, we don’t know for certain if that timeline is accurate, because it has never been revealed by LE. They may have narrowed it, or they may have found one or more of her alibis are not kosher via witness sightings or something.
OT
looked up Cogen’s paramour to see if there was a facile answer as to who could be holding what over his head the last couple years. (Sadly she had 2 young kids, the second about age 2, when they embarked on footsie plus.)
Instead because this PSU Prof shares the same name as her divorcing husband,
I found another strange local drama involving 2 Kyron investigation figures in walk-on parts.
set in the era of Kyron’s FBI Balizan, Zack was a possible FBI paid informant who, if so, was outed by the Prof publically, and subsequently was represented by Desiree’s attorney.
If true, I supposed his role woukd’ve been to infiltrate on -campus groups.
If true, what entity provided the name of a fine criminal defense attorney like Rosenthal to Zack?
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/03/confrontation_between_student.html
Strikes me as a similar tale to an npr long story on This American Life Ira Glass a couple summers ago about an FBI paid informant Craig aka Gym Rat in Calif (a paid informant is deniable as an fbi employee) who had the job mission to entrap. Zach himself joined many campus student groups.
entrapment was allegedly (by the defense) FBI Balizan’s MO in Portland.
So, I’m with the Prof’s assessment, not methods.
http://psuvanguard.com/uncategorized/the-john-hall-investigation-four-months-later-and-no-info/
Zach issues a statement thru his attorney E Rosenthal
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/blog/andie531/portland-state-u-suspected-mossad-fbi-plant-cleared-charges
http://theinterroblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/who-is-zaki-bucharest.html?m=1
Bucharest has no forward trail either, except he lives in SF now,
the home of the FBI office now retired-from-Portland Balizan spent a lot of time at.
Hall has his job back.
By affidavit, ER calls himself a contingent fee plaintiffs’ practice lawyer: http://home.comcast.net/~jrmata/rosenthalaff.pdf
Tho, he also does ACLU cases http://www.aclu-or.org/sites/default/files/news_spring_2007.pdf
p1&8.
Idk how tho a man like Bucharest (what a name symbol of neo-nazism) who immigrated from Israel–he says as a military sniper in the Palestinian occupied territories– in 2006 knew of the 1990 case ER had against White Aryans, unless say he was on a task to infiltrate white skinhead gun groups and needed bailing out from the fallout by his contractor. So, at times, is ER on an FBI attorney referral list? Perhaps in Zach’s case the ACLU was the referral source.
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=402112
Prof’s letter of early 2010 to Balizan (url follows pics)
states Zach had info about him
only available from archieved 10 yo MCSO files. So were Balizan & MCSO
playing footsie with another citizen’s life in early 2010?
cd,
I’m not sure about Kyron’s project being delivered to the school late Thursday afternoon or any time after Kyron was already in school that day.
The Mustang should have been adequate then to transport the project if the passengers were only TMH and babyK . . . no need then for the truck as far as transporting Kyron’s project, imo.
I respectfully disagree WPG, Kiara was still in the rear seat, and the trunk was not large enough for the project, imo. Another question I might posit, is if Kaine was working from home most afternoons as the primary caregiver as he stated- why was it that HE did not drop off the project with Kyron on Thursday in the first place?
B
crazy spaghetti to throw at the wall, not as gracefully as NelMel though.
Balizan takes over in Portland in June 2009
http://m.fbi.gov/#http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/arthur-balizan-named-special-agent-in-charge-of-portland-division
The sine qua non of his job was to get Portland (politicians, press, people) to rejoin the Joint Terrorism Task Force.
Therefore his mission was to show the value of reintegrating lical police with FBI. Potter/Leonard opposed. Others like Oregonian were swayed by 2010 “terror incident.”
The Nature of the JTTF controversy and the role the 2010 Portland Muslim teenager case played in the debate:
http://www.wweek.com/portland/m/article-16962-mobile.html#_Article
Both fbi operations –the Hall/Bucharest PSU alleged “infiltration” (see article above about methods) and the Muslim teenager alleged entrapment (iirc he was convicted)– began under Balizan in fall 2009.
These 2 terror “incidents” were to unfold in 2010. Why not more in early 2010 to set the stage?
say a child kidnapped from inside a school after which Balizan could appear in keadership beside the Sheriff on TV multiple times? Great PR.
The fbi’s biggest local case in 2008, in which they undoubtedly relied on infiltrators, was the Canby police officer and steroid sales, involving a local Canby landscaper.
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2008/11/canby_cop_bought_steroids_on_t.html
Maxine left out officer & Sheriff lived together.
Perhaps if someone wanted a kid picked up for a temporary “homeland security” scare from which the fbi could emerge as heroes (like the bombing plot, and potentially psu),
a stringer/informant from the Canby bust could be turned to for execution of a well-planned local abduction. Would explain the fbi’s all hands on deck Fri nite and the choice to work with MCSO (who played a small role in re psu prof) not PPB. And it went awry, like psu. Would explain Balizan’s retirement.
Just brainstorming.
Per these comments, Kyron did his report on his project on the Thursday, so the project would have been there prior to 3pm:
(snippet of Lea Conner’s comments)
Lea Conner says:
April 23, 2011 at 9:08 pm
“The audio from the Oregonian interview is very interesting, especially the very detailed account of why Terri Horman had to take Kaine Horman’s truck in order to ensure the science fair project arrived without any damage:
Reporter: “But why would she need a truck to pick up his science project? It wasn’t this enormous thing, right?”
Kaine Horman: “She took it [the truck] to drop it [the science fair project] off, too. Her trunk is relatively small, and she didn’t want it to get damaged.”
Desiree Young: “Yeah, it [the science fair project] wouldn’t have fit in her car.”
Kaine Horman: “It might have fit but it was the concern about damage with the diorama, and that with the truck, you can put it in the back of the cab and prop it up nice, and you can put the diorama on the seat, and there’s no risk of damage.
“So, she took it [the science fair project] in the truck [on Thursday June 3, 2010], too, so I didn’t think anything of it, because she went to take him [Kyron] to drop him off for the science fair and the display, it had to be on display for, until 10 o’clock [on Friday June 4, 2010].
“So, why would she go drop him [Kyron] off and then leave him there and then leave with the truck and not pick up the science project? That makes no sense to me at all now. Didn’t think anything of it at the time.
“Her story was that they had walked through and done the project on Thursday, which I believe they had done.”
Desiree Young: “Yeah, correct.”
Kaine Horman: “They had done their reports on Thursday, but it [the science fair project] still had to be on display for the science fair.”
Desiree Young: “Correct.”
Kaine Horman: “So, she dropped him [Kyron] off, and took the truck to drop him off and pick it [the science fair project] up, but since it had to stay there, she left without the project.
“And, thinking about it now, it’s like, well, why would you need the truck to pick it up if it had to stay there? You pick it up after school. So, take the truck after school to go pick him [Kyron] up and the project, but why would you go pick up the project at 8:45 before the science fair even starts? It makes no sense.”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-92/#comments
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neighbor says:
April 24, 2011 at 12:01 pm
“enumclawrose says:
April 24, 2011 at 3:16 am
(snipped)
The projects and the reports on the projects were due on Thursday,
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Assuming that all classes had the same deadline, it was due Tuesday. However I noticed several kids turning it in late.”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-93/#comments
Still don’t understand why, with a baby having an ear infection or teething or whatever, that she would go to the gym for an hour. –and leave a sick baby in someone else’s care, or what?
@T. Ruth says:July 17, 2013 at 12:31 pm
@grasshopper says:July 15, 2013 at 11:07 pm
Grasshopper, from what we know of Terri’s timeline, IIRC, the unaccounted for time (i.e., according to Terri, the time she was driving Kiara around to try to get her to sleep) was somewhere around 35-40 minutes.
It is my personal belief that is why she drove around for 45 minutes or half an hour so Kiara could sleep and allow whatever meds she got to kick in so she did not have a very unhappy toddler to hand over to someone at the gym. If Kiara had a fever for example, she could not be permitted to stay, and could not come back unless she was fever-free without meds for 24 hours.
B
Re truck & bringing project home at 10 am after touring.
What mother could be sure of an unhappy toddler Friday morning
who was too cranky to stay at school til the Tors were winding down? For all we know, when she set
out from home her plan was to stay longer, but wails
intervened.
Re disposables. I now have personal experience as to why women
like the Intel lady who probably relies on text & email by phone
while out of office would do this. For 7 weeks
my kid is in part of a State with no reception for a major leading US carrier.
Only a fool (me) would not buy a Verizon disposable for her. The inability
to have family and business contact with the world is extraordinariky disruptive
and stressful. Imo it’s a no brainer for the “ladies.” The false names though–stupid.
“I respectfully disagree WPG, Kiara was still in the rear seat, and the trunk was not large enough for the project, imo. Another question I might posit, is if Kaine was working from home most afternoons as the primary caregiver as he stated- why was it that HE did not drop off the project with Kyron on Thursday in the first place?”
B
Blink, I was responding to cd who opined the projects may have been dropped off around 3pm Thursday, which would present TMH and babyK the only 2 passengers in a vehicle. The front passenger area of a Ford 2007 Mustang would have accommodated the folded project panel, imo.
KH’s claims in his divorce filings that he was the primary care-giver is just that – - claims of one side in a divorce case.
I’m focusing on who actually did whatever they did at Skyline School on June 3 and 4, 2010. Those include, but are limited to (of course): TMH, Kyron, and Ms.P.
accomated
gah, typo : “but are limited to” should be “but are NOT limited to” TMH, Kyron and Mrs.P
Something else I’m thinking about. If the doctor thought Kyron was having mini-siezures, what if Kyron had an episode on stage during the talent show? Would anyone there at the school have known what was happening to him, did TMH alert Ms.P or ANYONE at the school to this possibility and to keep, you know, a close watch on Kyron?
LE keeps saying they still need more tips in Kyron’s case. Well, IMO, this is what Kyron’s case needs: fresh eyes and to release more information to the public. More information will bring more tips. That has been proven recently over and over and over. 31 years later and if you release a little more information, you still get new tips:
http://www.kval.com/news/local/52440887.html (August 2009)
EUGENE, Ore. — Photos, police reports, 911 logs. Numerous detectives have reviewed the evidence in Karen Whiteside’s 1978 murder countless times but the crime remains unsolved.
After 31 years, the detectives have confirmed a person of interest in Whiteside’s murder–and they credit a KVAL News report for leading to the potential break in the case.
On March 21, 1978, Karen Whiteside was strangled while walking to her friends house. Janitors found the 16-year-old’s body at Fairfield Elementary School the next morning.
Roth and Detective Mel Thompson took over the case in 2005, returning to the boxes of evidence whenever they had time.
When they first took on the case, Roth and Thompson reviewed the evidence independently. Both grew suspicious of one person–a male who knew Whiteside. Police interviewed him as part of the original investigation.
However, there wasn’t much more to go on.
(snipped)
Then KVAL aired a story about Whiteside’s unsolved murder in June, as part of a piece on EPD’s search for cold case volunteers. Afterward, Roth and Thompson received tips confirming their suspicions.
“That generated some some information from the public that validated our suspicions of this person,” said Roth.
After receiving that new information, Thompson returned to the Whiteside evidence. While reviewing the same police reports, personal artifacts and crime scene evidence, Thompson made a major discovery in a crime scene photo.
“He saw something that’s been in the same photo for 30 years, that everyone’s looked at,” said Roth, adding it is fairly innocuous.
Police won’t say what that item is or if it is the murder weapon, but will confirm the item was found at the crime scene.
Detectives have submitted it for DNA testing.
“We’re hopeful we’re going to come up with this person’s DNA,” said Roth. “Just because of what the item is and the theory Detective Thompson has on how it was used. You would expect to find the killer’s DNA on it.”
Roth won’t disclose that theory, but says they will be able to arrest him if the killer’s DNA is present. Roth says the man still lives in Oregon.
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Swell, still lives in Oregon. Haven’t heard anything about whether or not the DNA results are back and inconclusive or what. Why doesn’t a reporter follow up on this stuff? There seems to be a lot of kids who went missing or were found murdered in Oregon in 1978. I had never seen Karen’s story, but was looking around for children abducted at or near a school.
Original Whiteside story:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19780323&id=OvJVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=4eEDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6518,6151462
@wpg. Imo TH referred to simple absence seizures
http://www.epilepsy.com/epilepsy/seizure_absence
They are so transient (a few secs) and the child doesn’t “stick out,” simply
pauses very briefly staring in a particular direction. Porter, if she even noticed,
would’ve called it daydreaming or focus.
My son at 5 had these. Once his teacher with a class of
only 10 saw him pause for a few secs during a group activity. I saw it a couple times.
No one else noticed. Sleep eeg and mri were normal but for a tiny
temporal lobe cyst attributed to an unknown seasonal virus which resolved
within the year on mri, as did the absence seizures. In kids this age they
usually go away on their own. My point I guess is in a
mixed class of 25, Ms P likely wouldn’t notice a simple absence seizure occurring onstage
in the talent show. She’d just think he was daydreaming again.
Terri was doing the right thing
going to the doctor who would sort out add from absence seizure.
Now what surprizes me is vw said a source told her Ms Porter was
in charge of the science fair. Can that be verified? They had no
dedicated science teacher, but one would expect a middle school teacher.
If it’s true, I don’t understand Keefer’s choices.
I was going through my notes on the case last night and while looking at some peoples past addresses I found two very surprising (at least to me) connections. The first is that I found a connection from Desiree to Javier Trejo, and the second is I found a connection from Greg McCullough to Ben Keefer’s brother, Joseph Keefer.
Ok, so Desiree shares a past address with Nancy Dimas-Trejo, who shares a past address with Javier Trejo.
1. MCCULLOUGH, DESIREE ANN
4889 SW Greensboro Way
Beaverton, OR 97007
(07/1994)
2. DIMAS-TREJO, NANCY (DOB: 07/1980)
4889 SW Greensboro Way
Beaverton, OR 97007
(07/2009)
6120 SW 162ND Pl
Beaverton, OR 97007
(12/2006-Current)
3. TREJO, JAVIER R
6120 SW 162ND Pl
Beaverton, OR 97007
(07/1999-Current)
Gregory McCullough and Joseph Keefer, who is related to Ben Keefer (I think theyre brothers but correct me if Im wrong), both lived at the same apartment complex
1. MCCULLOUGH, GREGORY JAMES (DOB: 05/1969)
9655 SW McKenzie St APT 5
Portland, OR 97223
(02/1992)
2. KEEFER, JOSEPH L (DOB: 10/1970)
9655 SW McKenzie St APT 5
Portland, OR 97223
(05/2004)
3633 NE 17th Ave
Portland, OR 97212
(07/1990)
3. KEEFER, BENJAMIN BOYD (DOB: 03/1972)
3633 NE 17th Ave
Portland, OR 97212
(08/1991)
I know that both Greg and Desiree didnt live at these addresses at the same time as Nancy Dimas-Trejo or Joseph Keefer, but the coincidence of 2 formerly married people each having lived, independently from one another, at the same address as two other people with connections in this case is making my head hurt. I know its most likely a coincidence and they most likely dont know each other. If its not a coincidence, though, I dont know what significance it would have in regards to Kyron, but I want so badly for there to be some lead or feel like we’re getting closer to finding Kyron that Ill look at any angle at this point.
I just saw this article and hope LE has checked it for June 4th.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Big-brother-or-big-bother-Portland-police-defend-3-million-license-plate-reads-216082981.html
The readers automatically scan the plate numbers of vehicles they encounter and match those against a database of cars the police are actively searching for. If there’s a match, officers are alerted. If there’s not, the scan goes into an ever-growing database.
(snipped)
It says the program started in 2008 and the records are kept in the database for 4 years.
after looking at 2013 classrooms & staff names for Skyline, I went & read these school reviews:
http://m.trulia.com/schools/OR-Portland/Skyline_Elementary_School/reviews
2013-14 has Two k/1, two 2/3, four 4/5, weak middle imo.
Porter is K/1, and there is now a K-5 Reading Specialist.
3 paraeducators in addition to the Resource
(large no. for this size school). Paras are justified staff-wise,
I think, by nos. of kids with ieps.
@wpg.
From this we know who was supremely selfconfident in her instruction of Kyron and her supervision of Kyron: Miss Porter
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/09/kyron_horman_wall_of_hope_move.html
Furthermore, Keefer (who assigned her), Kaine (who OK’d her), and LE all endorsed his role in Kyron’s future post-abduction life. She was assigned as his 2010-11 teacher.
Can’t imagine what Kyron would’ve thought–back to the color cards?
I don’t think he was having any kind of mini-seizures. I think the kore likely possibility, with his spacy behavior and distracted actions, that he could possibly be a child of abuse. Is this reotely possible? I’m not talking about the stepmom, but rather a male acquainted with either him, the family or the school.
@wpg says:July 18, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Something else I’m thinking about. If the doctor thought Kyron was having mini-siezures, what if Kyron had an episode on stage during the talent show? Would anyone there at the school have known what was happening to him, did TMH alert Ms.P or ANYONE at the school to this possibility and to keep, you know, a close watch on Kyron?
Blink,
I have a comment from this morning still in moderation. I hope the info was ok to post, if not I apologize. I used Lexis for my people and associated persons search, so unfortunately a link wont post. Let me know if you need me to provide you with more info so you can verify what I posted
Rose, thanks for the info on absence seizures.
I don’t disagree about wanting Kyron to be checked out.
No idea if MsP was in charge of the science fair.
As far as school security procedures and ALL STAFF cognizant and observant of such, imo the buck stopped at the Desk of the Principal.
It tee’d me off hearing recently that the vegetation around the school has become overgrown AGAIN.
Speaking of hearing, what the heck is going on with court?
Rose, erose, TRuth, VW, grasshopper
I just wanted to tell you all how much I appreciate your constant diligence on this case. Who knows if it makes any difference, although I hope someone who can make a difference reads here. I can’t believe LE or TMH’s attorneys have the resources to do the amount of reading and brainstorming you ladies have. And thanks to Blink for maintaining not only this site but for regularly commenting on the discussions.
@Rose,
I’m confused, did Kristina Porter teach 3rd grade in 2010-11 instead of 2nd? Would that also mean that she had most or all of the same students she taught in 2010 while in second grade? Why was I thinking she still was teaching 2nd?
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I was just going over Dede’s *non-deposition* again. Rosenthal asks Dede if she knows Desiree Young. Why? He is digging way back in time…gym time. He later asks if Dede had a trainer at the gym on McKewen in 2008? Asks if Dede knew Terri in 2005 (when she had her DUI, no?). Why would Desiree’s attorney ask if Dede Spicher knew Desiree? Desiree could tell him whether or not they knew each other.
IDK, weird questions. What could they possibly have to do with a child who went missing in 2010?
When did Desiree go to Canada? Did SHE work out at the same gym as Dede and Terri? Is it possible that Dede Spicher introduced Terri & Kaine Horman to one another? IDK, just weird questions.
I’ve seen Kyron’s teacher referred to Miss Porter, Ms. Porter, and Mrs. Porter. Which is correct?
Are there more than business relationships between any staff and administration at Skyline? moo, but my gut feeling is that there is a great deal of coverup at the school, for reasons I don’t understand. Yeah, I get a protective union, lawyers, and the like, but I wonder if it is not more self-serving than that.
Regarding the science project retrieval. Kaine seemed very suspicious about TMH taking the truck that day.
And Kaine can’t seem to grasp that TMH would have taken the truck and NOT brought back the Diorama, etc.It didn’t occur to him to ask TMH that day? Or to volunteer to go pick it up and take Kyron out for ice
cream as he had talked about?
Did it occur to him that TMH might not have known, till she got there, what Porter had planned for the kids to give presentations to thier own class about their projects? Or that Porter didn’t even know when the kids would be taking down and “filing away” the projects for the rest of the day?
It’s possible Porter didn’t even know WHEN the posters, etc. would be put aside. Therefore an email from TMH would be ignored.
Why TMH didn’t tell, if she did, Kaine to go get the poster and Kyron…who knows.
Why TMH and Kaine, or either one of them didn’t go to the talent fair…well…who was the most exhausted having spent hours with Kyron on getting the poster, diarama done?
Kaine talks alot about putting on Kitty’s shoes and walking her down the road, and telling Kyron about how proud he was, and they’d go out for ice cream….but he in the beginning didn’t seem to know about the talent show, or didn’t care. A primary parent would know about that, you’d think.
@TRuth. Kyron was a 2nd grader in a 2/3 classroom. The article said he was placed (for 3rd) in her room.
Still split I guess. Why they moved her down in a school whose State scores show untoward
reading lags for the population is beyond me.
@Cindy. A few pp back I posted an Eagles Nest where the pta parent in charge of volunteers addressed her as Miss.
@TRuth. Trying to establish the longevity & closeness of the friendship?
@Cincy
I agree with you. I believe there was something going on at that school that needed to be covered up, and for some reason LE agreed and cooperated. This secret would explain a lot.
Thanks, Gwen. Who knows if we will make a significant difference for Kyron, but he has definitely made a difference for me.
To illustrate what the FBI would stoop to on the JTTF withdrawal vote, just after Portland became the only city to withdraw from the JTTF in 2006, an fbi employee
attempted to recruit a city attorney to inform on City Council members
http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/3263
If I get energy, I’ll look at the dates Balizan stopped appearing before cameras or issuing statements on Kyron’s investigation, as well as the change in the size & nature of Kyron’s investigation vis-a-vis the dates in 2010 the Mayor & Council announced public hearings & public discussion of rejoining JTTF. My theory being once Balizan got the Mayor and Council to the talking table there was no more need for high profile FBI saviors on TV locally.
I have not forgotten or been able to get past reading in this article (and listening to her voice in the accompanying video) these quoted words from DY:
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(snipped from Nov 16, 2010)
Kyron’s biological mother, Desiree Young, said investigators shared e-mails with her that Terri sent friends. She said in them Terri talked about hurting Kyron. Desiree said she now believes Terri is capable of doing so.
“Extreme hatred for Kyron, and she talked about hurting him and things that you just don’t talk about with children,” she told KATU News Monday evening by phone. “I don’t understand how you can feel that way about a 7 year old.”
http://www.katu.com/news/local/108352154.html?tab=video&c=y
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“talked about hurting him” references something specific that was stated/written in the emails, imo, as opposed to someone’s interpretation.
Blink, your thoughts?
My thoughts have not changed wpg- it is my understanding that the emails in question have never been authenticated in the first place. They were not provided to DY, she was given some sort of access to what she believes were emails as stated.
I am recalling from memory here, but I want to say that the timing of them was particularly interesting. Almost as if someone needed her to be on board.
I will say that the content of any correspondence that could be authenticated as having been composed by TMH would be of great investigative interest to me as an analyst from both a suspect perspective and victimology profile of Kyron.
One of the reasons I continue to find the “emails” in question is that they were not offered as support of her tort filing against TMH. The filing itself is beyond vague, and imo, had the response not been a request for abatement prior to filing an appearance by her atty’s, it is likely in “stay” mode to preserve her ability to support it.
She has never referenced the content past the statements we are all aware of, and as I opined early on, I fear that DY may have been used as a pawn to try to get TMH to react.
An important clue is that Kaine has not discussed them. They absolutely would have had to come from an account he has access to. He took pride in that specifically.
I also believe if that content was authenticated and moreover, authenticated as to both parties, TMH would have been indicted.
Adding on here- in the scope of the tort- to my knowledge, given DY’s comments about those emails- TMH will absolutely be within her rights to seek the origin, and if appropriate, DY’s retraction of same. This is another reason I feel this “info” remains unauthenticated by EVERY party in this case thus far.
B
“Terri Horman and Spicher, friends since meeting at a gym in 2002, ”
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20413527,00.html
From the deposition, Dede says she worked out pretty regularly at the gym on Cornell in Beaverton from 2000-2009. She told People Mag she met Terri at a gym in 2002. Is that now The Edge gym where the wall of hope is? Isn’t that new, or was it just something else? (These gyms have always confused me.) Or is there another gym on Cornell?
(Page 20 of the deposition)
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/DeDe-watermarked-1.pdf
An in-depth interview with NBC’s Dateline, Kyron Horman’s mother blamed Terri Horman for the breakup of her marriage with Kyron’s father back in 2002.
Desiree said she was eight months pregnant with Kyron when she learned that Kaine was having an affair with Terri and it tore her apart.
“I cried solid for two months and didn’t leave the bedroom because I didn’t understand why she somehow equated to something that was better than me and my son,” Desiree said.
However, Kaine told Dateline that he and Desiree’s marriage had already crumbled when his relationship with Terri began. Kaine said that he and Desiree had decided to live separate lives under the same roof until Kyron was born.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyrons-mom–99345859.html
Just trying to see if Dede was working out in 2002 at the same gym as Kaine. Wondering if Kaine & Dede were ever an item. He himself said Desiree and his marriage was already “crumbled” before he met Terri, makes one wonder if Terri was not his first affair.
Hopefully someone took kyron to save him from this cast of characters! Im still prayung that he is alive.
@TRuth. While Xtreme Edge was newly opened about May 2010, IIRC according to the owner’s suit it occupied the location of the employer which terminated him, 24 Hr Fitness, which moved nearby. Both are adjacent to Cornell Rd.
Rose says:
July 18, 2013 at 1:53 pm
Re truck & bringing project home at 10 am after touring.
What mother could be sure of an unhappy toddler Friday morning
who was too cranky to stay at school til the Tors were winding down? For all we know, when she set
out from home her plan was to stay longer, but wails
intervened.
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Quite possibly, but Kaine said this had been going on for awhile (I think he said a couple of weeks) when he blamed anything spacy about Kyron on sleep deprivation due to Kiara’s crying. Either some people are lying or they each have hold of a different part of the elephant.
Thanks, Blink.
Phew, I need a bit to absorb and respond.
Will say now, though, that KH did address the emails at a presser, like pretty much the next day after DY spoke out. Video link to come.
Agreed he addressed them as he was asked- I felt at the time it was clear he did not share DY sentiment on the issue.
B
Somehow this fact escaped me earlier. Kyron went missing while a member of Ms Porter’s class. When someone pointed out he wasn’t there, she said he was getting a drink, going to the bathroom (not at a drs appt with his mom). She did not notice when he never came back to class though his backpack was there. She did not notice when he wasn’t there for the talent show that he was apparently scheduled to appear in. She never did notice that he didn’t return to class. Nobody knows what happened to Kyron. Kaine believed something terrible at the hands of his wife Terri. Kaine sends everybody out to watch for Kyron in every crowd, every event, and so believes that his son will come back that Kaine goes ahead and enrolls Kyron in school in the fall, buying him new clothes and school supplies, reserving a desk IN MS. PORTER’S CLASS. The same teacher who did not notice the boy’s absence is holding a desk for the missing boy, and Kaine has not a single doubt in the world about her fitness for the job. Isn’t something wrong with this picture?
It is my understanding that she marked him absent at some point, so she definitely noticed.
To your point about the parents inability to hold the school accountable- yes, I definitely find that odd.
B
“Agreed he addressed them as he was asked- I felt at the time it was clear he did not share DY sentiment on the issue.
B”
I was incorrect about the presser KH held November 15. That presser was in response to that morning’s appearance by DY’s appearance on The Today Show, but he said he wouldn’t discuss what was presented, including the emails, to the 3 of them by LE the previous Friday.
Can’t find the right video, think I posted it here not too long ago.
Oh, well.
My recollection (ha!) is that he acknowledged the existence of the emails and that they supported his belief of TMH’s use of alcohol . . . something like that. Downplayed them, imo. He didn’t go as far as DY to describe their content in any way.
So, yes, it could be seen as him not sharing the same sentiment as DY or not “wanting” to publicly share it or admit it.
Sigh, sigh, sigh. Impatient and totally selfish me says let’s get this moving in the courts already. Dang it.
Thanks again, Blink.
Thank YOU wpg for your diligence and advocacy. These are important questions, indeed.
I completely agree on the court front, and I have every reason to believe it is forthcoming.
B
It WAS the November 15 presser where KH acknowledged the emails.
Q:
Kaine, in the emails that she said she looked at on Friday, she said there was no doubt in her mind that Terri could have hurt Kyron. Do you feel the same way?
A:
Based on what I’ve come to understand not just through the investigation but through people talking to me and through other activities that we’ve been performing on our own, I would agree with that statement.
This video from OLive is easier to understand because they captured the audio of the media’s questions:
http://videos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/11/kaine_horman_news_conference.html
well, that solves that wpg- as I read that- Kaine has never seen them, or at least the is not copping to it. I find that beyond peculiar.
B
@ grasshopper
Kaine sends everybody out to watch for Kyron in every crowd, every event, and so believes that his son will come back that Kaine goes ahead and enrolls Kyron in school in the fall, buying him new clothes and school supplies, reserving a desk IN MS. PORTER’S CLASS. The same teacher who did not notice the boy’s absence is holding a desk for the missing boy, and Kaine has not a single doubt in the world about her fitness for the job. Isn’t something wrong with this picture?
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There were MANY reports/articles that indicated a VERY LARGE range of potential “markings” of Kyron’s absence.
They range from NEVER MARKED ABSENT thru SOMETIME THAT AFTERNOON to DISTRICT WILL NOT STATE to AT SOME POINT to AT TEN O’CLOCK.
Ten O’clock was/is the district’s mandatory time that elementary students must be marked absent. I’ve heard that is changed now and students are marked absent immediately and a call is sent home.
Regardless, Porter had the cards in her hand. She could and should have followed up on his absence.
She didn’t.
That Kaine never, ever questioned this suggests he NEVER was aware of school policies. Or cared. This is not a primay caregiver. Nor is it a parent who truly is digging to find out what happened to his son. Attempts at AWARENESS of Kyron being missing is not the same as attempting to get the complete story from LE…although over the years we have seen that has been informed of those LE is “ruling out” to cement their case.
But LE has convinced him and DY that Terrry Horman KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED. Why would they seriously question the school, the investigation. or any peripheral entity or perp?
Regardless of whether tmh was involved or not, it seems, sometimes, incredulous to me that an analytical father and a supossed sensitive mother would NEVER openly question the school, nor the investigation itself.
I can’t disagree on the point about holding the school responsible, or at least seeking to question the issue openly. Wrt to DY, I was shocked the school was not named in the suit , but I have to be honest, I can find no confirmation DY has ever been to Skyline School for any event of Kyron’s including parent/teacher meetings, etc. I can tell you the witnesses I have interviewed who have kids in Ky’s class have no recollection of ever meeting her on campus and moreover did not realize TMH was not Ky’s bio mom in the first place.
B
Hall, the PSU prof, felt he was allegedly targeted due to such things as travels to EGermany and a 10 year old incident in mcso files. Speculation: similarly, someone in the LE or criminal justice systems might have targeted Kyron as a target as the fruit of access to Terri’s dui conviction record, and more likely current criminal behavior such as steroid sales–like from Canby case hopping out.
TY wpg & Blink for analysis above.
Those hateful emails haven’t been mentioned in Kaine’s divorce documents either. Just sexts after the fact. One would think that if those hateful emails existed and were authenticated, that Mr. Horman would definitely use them to show what an unfit mother Terri is. No?
@Miss Bri says:
July 19, 2013 at 10:12 am
Very interesting, what are the odds? There are waaaay too many coincidences in this case. I agree with you, who knows where the leads might intersect?
It’s pretty apparent LE hasn’t turned over the rock they need, maybe someone else can. Keep up the good work.
Nov. 2010 story.
OT
Tho Portland had opted out, Beaverton had an officer still on the JTTF working under FBI supervision.
The issue with the JTTF was police chiefs like Beaverton’s
had no supervisory authority over
and no knowledge of the investigations
undertaken by their own detailed officer or detective.
I imagine then MCSO also had an employee detailed at the time of the abduction.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/city_hall_a_look_back_on_mayor.html
Imagine trying to recruit a city attorney as
an informant on work colleagues while “crossing paths” at the gym & Starbucks.
Given Kaine’s job and travels to Germany, Israel & Calif, I wonder if
anyone ever sought him out at the gym to assess his vulnerabilities.
Not sure but I think Ms. Porter is not married. I recall viewing her FB when it was available and there was a picture of her and another woman as her FB photo. Could be her sister for all I know, but I saw no mention of a husband.
From the beginning of this horrible case, I have felt uneasy about DY. Yes, she is the biological mother and I do not doubt her absolute grief at the loss of her son. I do find a lot of fault with the early direction of suspicion by her and her policeman husband, TY. She, in particular, seemed to be all too anxious to point the finger of blame at Terri. I have to wonder how much she was actually “told” by LE to support that and how much was directly due to long suppressed rage that Terri had “stolen” her husband. Her early attack on Terri appeared to me to be her innate guilt surfacing as a shield against any questions as to why her sons were being raised by their Dads and stepmothers. She has been obstinately vague as to that reason to this day.
I have a huge problem with a mother who gave up custody of 2 children, supposedly due to a mysterious illness and never fought like a tiger to regain that custody when she recovered her health. She has gone on to a 3rd marriage and a good job, content with being a casual part time mother, at her convenience. A weekend or 2 during the month, a cutesy “family” vacation, totally escapes the daily travails of motherhood and allows only for the fun, joyful times to define the relationship with your children.
Until LE comes forward with some verifiable evidence against TMH, this case reads like the perennial evil stepmother tale to me. And a little boy is still unaccounted for. Shame!
Paula, I think you make some valid points.
I feel the need somewhat to defend DY in terms of attempting to regain custody of her sons following her illness. That said, her illness was self-caused by taking “non-fda approved supplements”. That reasoning implies she was unaware of dangers that she needed to seek medical treatment for. Personally, I take umbrage with her explanation of that in the first place when condemning someone she herself willfully entrusted with her son.
Now the part where I defend her- and I am going to be vague because I absolutely am defensive of this woman because I cannot and will never know the depths of her loss- and I believe it is genuine on her part- complete with very bad advice constantly.
DY did attempt to regain custody of her other son, and was not successful, moreover she was ordered to pay counsel fees. With Kaine’s resources, and her issue to begin with, she knew that was a losing battle as well. Let’s keep in mind that TMH was in support of DY having at least more custody of Kyron, if not full- at least according to DY.
B
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100511654.html?m=y&smobile=y
content of a Apr 2010 TMH email re James’ move was provided to KATU by “a news source” who forwarded the email itself to the reporter. In it TH blamed James’ unhappiness & poor school performance on residing in the Horman home, rather than singling out Kaine–it was the environment.
Now who has been a regular katu news source….one to whom TH would not blame KH directly but would nevertheless extol the benefits of moving to another home on a boy’s happiness & school adjustment.
Someone katu calls a news source on the case who hits forward on a private email? Imo not LE/DA employee. Not a friend of TH. Not Kaine or his family because indirectly he’s shown in a bad light. Who said TH send her long emails several times a day?
Desiree. a regular katu source, and nothing to lose by hitting “forward.” Imo this is one of Terri’s emails seemingly imo trying to persuade Desiree to do for unhappy Kyron what she had done for James. Move him to her home. Imo Kaine in part lost confidence in TH when emails like this revealed her work behind his back to remove the boys to other homes.
TY wpg. Kaine comes off extremely well in that interview imo.
I did note he stated he & Terri had been having frequent and
strong arguments about the children for some time. He also
felt she manufactured issues which she then claimed to solve.
Munchausen reference as opined by some investigator or atty, no doubt in my mind.
After all, one would need a good reason to believe their spouse who they entrusted with their children up and abducted, arranged for same, or violently murdered their child.
Yes, I am being glib partially- but I believe the theory floated to Kaine was this.
B