Kyron Horman Missing: Civil Suit Against Terri Horman DELAYED AND SEALED- Prompted By NEW LEADS
Portland, OR- As many of you have been following since June 2010, there is a new development today in the disappearance of Kyron Horman.
As predicted at BOC, the civil suit brought by Deisree Young, Kyron’s Mother, against Terri Horman, Kyron’s step-mother and the defacto suspect in his disappearance has been granted an abatement.
In a sealed filing, motions by Assistant District Attorney Michael Schrunk and Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton were granted, delaying the suit . The motions included supporting affidavits that continuing the action as already ruled would compromise the investigation.
The decision presents an ironic twist .
Terri Horman’s lawyers originally fought vehemently to abate the action, but were unsuccessful. As recently as last week, the Judge in the case ordered medical records to be accessible to both parties to the action.
In Judge Kantnor’s decision to NOT abate the suit at the request of Attorney Peter Bunch for Terri Horman, the Multnomah County Prosecutors Office declared “no position” on the matter after being contacted by the court.
It is not known if that order prompted the request to delay the suit .
Sheriff Stanton, Eldin Rosenthal, Norm Frink and Stephen Houze declined comment at press time.
On Monday, Judge Henry Kantor granted the motions to abate the civil proceeding and ordered the motions and affidavits filed by the district attorney and sheriff sealed.
A hearing had been scheduled for Dec. 14 to hear Young’s attorney argue before the court to compel testimony from DeDe Spicher, an alleged witness in the case. Today’s ruling is likely to render a postponement of that proceeding.
Sheriff Dan Staton, told Oregon Live, it is based on early leads that are now panning out:
“There are a couple of investigative pieces that are going to open up,” Staton told The Oregonian Tuesday. “Our belief is they’re going to open up several investigative doors.”
He said the new “investigative avenues” are based on information collected in the early phase of the investigation that are now yielding some results.
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Just read that Desiree has asked that civil suit be dismissed; DeDe S. has testified before the Grand Jury in the last couple of weeks; the RO has been lifted and a temporary no contact order between KH and TMH has been put in place. TMH is seeking visitation with Kiara. Desiree’s press conference brought me to tears. Desiree has always made it exceedingly clear that all she wants is Kyron found and returned to her.
Wow I expected the RO to get dropped but I did not think DY would drop the civil suit.
Sounds like the new leads were Dede’s anticipated GJ testimony.
As far as Dede testifying in front of the GJ I would think if she had said anything to implicate TH in Kyrons disappearance then TH would have been indicted or arrested and the RO would not have been dropped.
As I remember Dede did not testify at the original GJ hearing because they did not ask her any questions not because she refused to testify. Does this mean they LE is now pretty sure Dede had nothing to do with Kyron going missing.
So whats next?
http://www.koin.com/2013/07/30/desiree-young-drops-suit-against-terri-horman/
when i saw that the county atty was now involved i suspect that it is the counties move to protect itself from liability from lawsuits resulting from the investigation. great job on researching everyone! i would love to see background on the key leo that were (are) involved in this missing child investigation. i remember vaguely blinks reply on investigating le though. there are so many wackos that want to hurt le that its not ok to delve into personal info and definately not post any personal info on them. blink, is it possible and ok to search individuals careers and proffessional info though? like, joe detc has high school diploma, worked as deputy of mc for blank years, etc? and i would just looooove to be able to see maxine’s relationship (proffessionally) why was she a team player and now it seems that she promoted to team captain. at first i thought that the other media wasnt interested or not caring as much but now i think the le used selected media only to push their plan to squeeze tmh to confess. when kaine excluded some media early on i thought he was arrogant but now wonder if le guided him in that also, “dont let reporters in that might ask serious questions that might change where we want this investigation to go” or something like that. i dont think they were intentionally trying to railroad tmh, but rather by not following proceedures and being led by emotion they went in a direction that looked right, and then switched to cover our arse mode, and if we admit how off we were we will get sued. i can imagine things being said like, dont alarm the community, he prob walked off, or we’re sure it was terrie so dont bother looking into random abductions, or we know the school and teachers make sure we dont say anything that might show them negligent… i am also almost sure there are le still saying, we know she did it, we know she did it, we just cant prove it, let us have more time! the county atty stepping in is imo someone with a clearer head saying enough! just all my opinions, thanks for letting me vent.
Carefully chosen words by a smart man, imo. Maybe all parties would see that the evidence does not necessarily support TH as a POI or the only POI, and if KH and DY were privy, they might have second thoughts.
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“Access to the police investigatory files is important for all parties.” – Peter Bunch, Attorney for Terri Horman
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/07/kyron_hormans_mother_to_drop_c.html
@Rose, Your assessment of MB was spot on.
For me, DeDe recently testifying before the GJ is the most interesting aspect of all these latest developments.
Terribly sad for Desiree.
No exclamation points for me.
Agreed, and imo an insult to injury that should have been avoided.
B
OLive now has all Maxine’s photos up.
Desiree is to be most pitied.
ER looks uncomfortable.
@Sunshine4me. Maybe ER’s advice to Desiree to Dismiss was based in part on the insufficiency of funds to proceed. Depositions cost a lot. Maybe he too initially thought money would roll in. As well as the viability of cause of action.
@vw, I think the win in all of this, if it is chosen, is that KH and DY might have a chance of getting out of three years of being lead into the wilderness. They have traveled this road to a dead end, and now perhaps they will search new avenues. Judging DY’s statement today, she is still a long way from finding the right road, however KH might be closer to figuring it out. I think what Bunch was trying to say is that the three of would be collaborating to find Kyron, if the investigatory files were released. Today might be a baby step in that direction. JMO.
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but when DDS testified before the GJ recently, she would have received limited immunity wrt her testimony. If she had said a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g to help indict TH, why would a judge lift a RO? I see this as a last ditch effort by the DA to meet the August 1 deadline of finding s-o-m-e-t-h-i-n-g to lay at the judges feet…and it must have failed, imo.
@Rose
Gonna go out on a limb, here. Last we heard of the Civil Suit, before DY and TY were about to be deposed and Rosenthall’s PO wasn’t going to completely prevent their medical/mental records from being used, Dede had been deposed. She’d pled the 5th on all sorts of questions as soon as her lawyer took her aside and rehearsed the 5th pleading with her. She got pretty good with the pleading as the deposition continued till Rosenthall et all finally asked her lawyer if she was going to keep pleading the fifth with any questioin related to TMH. “Sure ‘nuf” said her lawyer.
Next thing we know there’s all this publicity in the news about Dede and the 5th. Anti-FB sites even get started up.
Rosenthall then sends motion to Kantor to make Dede talk.
Before Kantor rules, suit is abated. Kantor never ruled, btw, according to the docket.
So Grand Jury reconvened. Gives her immunity? for her answering of the questions?
If…her answers were leading to an indictment of TMH would LE and the DA, et all write up all of those motions to Quash discovery?
An indictment would slam those doors wide open for both sides?
I think this is yet another ruse. IMOO. Intuition only…but from the “tone” of Dede’s answers to Rosenthall until he got personal, and from her “tone” to People magazine she seems a rather naive, unpretentious free spirit who was simply concerned for her friend.
Am I missing something? The URL I presented upthread on Grand Juries and DA’s influence over makes me a little nervous, but still, with an indictment comes DA and Staton having to lay it all on the line.
grasshopper great call on the RO being dropped, i didnt see that one coming! @ january: i was surprised also about the reference to dede testifying at g.j., but his comment (as i read it in oregon live story) was so vague that i wondered if it could have meant “recently” being three years ago!
Now who told her this?
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“Because my civil case cannot move forward without the police files, it is with great disappointment that I make this difficult decision,” Young said.
http://www.kptv.com/story/22967375/mom-of-kyron-horman-gives-up-on-civil-case
Im sorry- where is there an order restricting any files in this case? I distinctly remember Rosenthal on the steps speaking about compelling LE et al.
Look- with much respect, DY dropped her suit upon the threat of a counter suit. Who drops a $10 MIl suit, partially funded by public donations if they think the criminal case which would sign their check is moving forward? Their is a reason this was not stayed again.
B
here is something from MCSO
“Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office Criminal Investigation continues in Kyron Horman disappearance – 07/30/13
The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office is aware that Desiree Young has withdrawn her civil suit against Terri Horman. The Kyron Horman investigation remains an active, ongoing criminal investigation. While the civil suit was of interest, it did not affect the course of action or goal of the investigation. We continue to work with our investigative partners and the Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office as we maintain the case integrity, development of leads and information gathered through the course of the investigation.
The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office remains in close contact with the parents of Kyron regarding the course of the investigation. In addition, Sheriff Staton has met regularly with Kaine Horman concerning the investigation and to ensure they are fully aware of the current course of action being taken by investigators. Sheriff Staton wants the citizens of Multnomah County to know this criminal investigation remains a high priority for the Sheriff’s Office and that it will continue unimpeded. The integrity and security of the investigation remains foremost for this agency.
The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office is unable to comment on specifics of the investigation but would like to reiterate its commitment to finding and bringing Kyron home and bringing closure to Kyron’s family and the investigation. MCSO encourages anyone with information regarding this case to contact our tip line at 503-261-2847.”
http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276
As if anyone gets to decide whether or not they testify before a grand jury, please.
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A key witness was now cooperating with investigators, according to Young’s attorney Elden Rosenthal.
He said that DeDe Spicher has testified before the grand jury for the criminal case. Spicher was friends with Terri and her whereabouts were in question the day Kyron vanished. She had previously declined to speak with investigators or testify.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-Horman-civil-suit–217621031.html
Seriously I want to hurl. If this case rested on the information of a woman who is on record prior to testifying to the GJ, as saying TMH was not involved, and she had no information to the contrary, and Rosenthal sees this as a plus in his column and is analagous to a reason for dropping a civil suit I am launching a bar complaint personally.
Any notes on refunds for the donations to his accounts receivable?
B
KOIN new channel 6 has a headline that says Kyrons case is close to being solved based on recent events.
Blink what are your thoughts on this?
That they want a better google rank today.
B
January,
I agree 100%. I’m surprised she testified again before a GJ.
I want to scream…WHY DOES THE SCHOOL GET A PASS…Is it to late? I don’t care who is responsible ( Well I certainly do care) but the school effed it up big time. Desiree wants to work with the amber alert but in this case (unless they early on had some info on a maroon car or what ever) the school was totally responsible for 5 plus hours of Kyron being missing with no one (other than a more aware 9 or 10 year old) at that school knowing he was missing.
Not sure I made the point I wanted to about “who told DY this?” I am questioning who out of the LEO’s and the DA office had the balls to tell the mother of a missing child that they cannot participate in her civil case because it might interfere with their 3 year investigation, and if that is the case, they why no show her what they have that is so damn important, because she looks defeated, not hopeful. How can they keep doing this to her?
I occasionally check Google and here on BOC to see if there have been any updates on Ky as time no longer permits me to follow daily like I used to although not a day goes by that I don’t think of Kyron’s sad back story. After 3 yrs though, I really thought there would have been more coming out about what really happened that fateful day on June 4th, 2010 but after reading the latest news, I realize little has actually been uncovered since the last time I looked. I truly thought he potentially would’ve been recovered by now. At the very least, I was hoping we would all know what actually happened after this long. WHERE is Kyron???
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Mult-Co-Sheriffs-Ofc-Kyron-Case-Update-217667611.html Staton trolling for tips, as if that worked the last 3 years.
Special relationship briefing Kaine.
Well, now we know who Bunch needed to depose.
I have mixed feelings. The RO was the only action
Bunch would get to depose O’Donnell under, not the divorce,
if Stays were lifted, as they are, because LE’s mental
impressions conveyed to Kaine were the substance if the RO.
Stating his mental impression under oath would not jeopardize
the investigation. So imo Bunch traded away too much
before he saw the outline of a visitation plan stipulated in writing.
Desiree’s case would gone away on its own.
1. Who wrote that? Seriously?
2. Does river patrol include PR?
3. How much overtime is included in the non-revisions?
Snark alert. That may be the single worst PD press briefing I have ever seen.
B
Not sure I agree Bunch traded anything. I submit it has been discussed, and he knows the drill to the letter in the upcoming days.
B
I find it amazing that today Terri had the civil suit dropped and the RO withdrawn, but the media is spinning it as noble for K and D to back off to preserve “integrity” of investigation even though the whole purpose of civil suit was to get such info from LE. Kaine shouldn’t need investigative info if he has personal proof that Terri attempted MFH and especially why he believes she disappeared Kyron. He can’t backup his own accusations, and that is why he had to withdraw RO. Both K and D, who chose not to attend hearing and do interviews at courthouse, arranged press conferences at different locations around town, state their belief that Dede’s testimony before Grand Jury is a big break and crime could be solved soon (as they’ve been saying for 3+ years). Why doesn’t even one media outlet include the possibility, “Gee, maybe they have no evidence that Terri did it. Maybe someone else did it.”
http://www.koin.com/2013/07/30/kaine-horman-to-hold-press-conference/
Kaine’s pov.
(lost our a/c compressor yesterday; 80^ now and dying indoors.
wish us progress tomorrow.)
Here is the link to KOIN news that says that the Kyron Horman case could be solved. They talk about DY’s civil case being cancelled but I did not see any mention of the RO being dropped. They also interviewed Kaine and did not ask him about the RO. this could be just very lazy reporting or the usual very biased reporting which Portland is becoming known for.
http://www.koin.com/2013/07/30/kaine-horman-to-hold-press-conference/
I put together some things that stood out to me with some questions at the end.
snipped from the links below:
A key witness was now cooperating with investigators, according to Young’s attorney Elden Rosenthal.
DeDe Spicher testified before the grand jury for the criminal case within the past two weeks, according to Rosenthal. Spicher was friends with Terri and her whereabouts were in question the day Kyron vanished. She had previously declined to speak with investigators or testify.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-Horman-civil-suit–217621031.html
Meanwhile, there was a huge breakthrough in the criminal investigation. Horman’s good friend, Dede Spicher — who previously refused to answer questions in court — testified before an investigative grand jury in the past week or two.
“I hope she talks and shares everything she knows,” Young said. “I’m optimistic.”
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Mother-of-Kyron-Horman-dropping-civil-suit-217632621.html
http://videos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2013/07/desiree_young_drops_civil_case.html
Terri Horman’s attorney, Stephen Houze, sent a statement to Fox 12 saying he was not surprised by Young’s decision to dismiss the civil case.
“The lawsuit was unfounded and lacking in legal merit,” Houze said. “One can only hope that the dismissal of this meritless lawsuit receives the same degree of media scrutiny as was given to its filing.”
As part of Young’s lawsuit, one of Terri Horman’s friends, DeDe Spicher, was called in for a deposition in 2012, and she refused to answer 142 questions regarding the case. She cited her Fifth Amendment right.
However, Young’s attorney on Tuesday referenced a new development in a recent grand jury meeting.
“It’s my understanding that (Spicher) finally agreed to testify in front of the grand jury a week or two ago,” said Elden Rosenthal, Young’s attorney.
His father, Kaine Horman, spoke with FOX 12 last month about his belief that the boy will still come home. On Tuesday, he said he had mixed feelings about the lawsuit being dropped.
“Disappointment, as far as not being able to proceed in that particular avenue, but definitely relief for the fact that we’ve got to do everything we can to protect the information in the investigation,” he said.
The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office issued a statement Tuesday saying, “While the civil suit was of interest, it did not affect the course of action or goal of the investigation.”
http://www.kptv.com/story/22967375/mom-of-kyron-horman-gives-up-on-civil-case
Comments/questions:
Desiree is incredibly strong to be able to stand there and make that statement by herself even though she clearly has agonized over this decision and it is taking a toll on her physically, I think, along with everything else.
Did everyone, including her lawyer, know from the beginning that this suit was not going to get Terri to talk and most likely would never get very far as a case – and they let Desiree get her hopes up and file this suit anyway in spite of the costs involved? She finally thought she could make a difference – you could tell when she announced the filing, and now she seems so crushed.
Is it strange that the comments about DeDe testifying came from DY’s attorney? If she just testified, she must have a deal, which means she had something to deal about, whether something criminal she admitted to or just preventing charges she might or might not have been guilty of. On the one hand they talk about protecting the investigation, but then they give out this information. Are they doing it on purpose to be sure TH knows? How would she not know – it’s hard to believe DeDe wouldn’t get word to her somehow. We, of course, don’t know what she testified to.
Or if she is finished yet? Maybe they can blame HER somehow for not clearing Terri earlier.
Kaine has “mixed feelings” about the suit being dropped? He seems to have mixed feelings about everything sometimes – at least it keeps him from actually having to take a stand about something.
And what does this mean exactly, and who is it really addressed to: The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office issued a statement Tuesday saying, “While the civil suit was of interest, it did not affect the course of action or goal of the investigation.”
And how much will this dropped suit cost Desiree in dollars, do you think?
These are my first thoughts. I can’t say I’m surprised. I am, however, deeply saddened by what seems like great additional pain that Desiree has been given by the way all of this has been handled, or mishandled(?). Even if it was my job and I thought it was necessary, I would have a hard time personally if I knew I had added that much pain to someone’s life.
i was reading up this page again and re-read blinks response to “wpg says july 28 @5:14pm” its about having a persons depo from the grand jury and then one from their civil depo and then having them come back to the GJ. The response was about rs but didnt dede recently have to give a depo for one of the civil suits? And if its true she recently testified again at GJ, could this be a da tactic that blink explained in action? If they have anything, though, why would the ro get dropped? I think that even if they got a confession and witness confirmation tomorrow that their case would be overturned because of le errors.
note unit citation
Major Crimes Team
Kafvre, O’Donnell, Herron (kyron’s assignees)
http://greshamoregon.gov/city/city-departments/police-department/about/template.aspx?id=21834
Looks like when the Major Crimes team withdrew, Herron stuck around (as O’Donnell w/drew about that time as well).
I don’t think Kiara will get a non-crony GAL, but she needs a GAL.
Whoever the GAL woukd be, they need to realize this situation is highly unusual and onesidedly
(to public purview) acrimonious. I’d start with independt psychologicals on both by the SAME
PhD, and personally I don’t think Terri will fare worse than
Kaine on objective testing & subjective histories. So go for it.
Concurrently, I’d have a hot shot PhD child psychotherapist
introduce the mother concept, explore ambivalence & feelings, work the way from play & talk
to pics of mother, etc, working on memories, finally in a cradle of trust, re-introducing Mother. And
work jointly in sessions with mother for as needed. Kaine is not capable
of family therapy imo.
Frankly at this age my long range goal, say in months, would be to put things back to the
position where Mother was primary caregiver before school
at age 6 commences. Absent untoward information.
Status check, Part II?
It is like you have ESP Rose. On deck.
B
ditto, erose. Staton referred to his closeness to Kaine
That is critical if one ever has to look someone in the eye and say they are sorry for what they are about to say, imo.
B
@Lauren. Press reports show DD appeared to testify in response to GJ subpoena in 2010 & was surprised the ADA never called her into the room. (In my opinion, ADA thought he could get an indictment & her testimony then might undermine it.)
So much for my shred of confidence in KH seeing his way through this, however I notice he responded in his usual unique way.
Kaine has ‘extreme confidence’ in Kyron search
“We still have extreme confidence that they’re going to drive resolution to the case,” Horman said
http://www.koin.com/2013/07/30/kaine-horman-to-hold-press-conference/
about hurling, I take issue with a former Spec Ed employee of PPS who ER is associated with shall we say, who I reread yesterday said she founded her private nonprofit because in her view too many kids were in PPS Spec Ed for failure to read. What an attitude for a special educator. Rather, the PPS mission should be training their own multiplicity of paraeducators in the multisensory instruction she claims to teach.’
This is a generally a neurocognitive disorder coded at least in our ieps as Specific Reading Disorder.
Moreover somehow this former employee is able to send volunteer PAID tutors onto PPS school premises during school hours to “tutor” reading. Around my County paid private tutors can’t do that. If they are lucky, they can rent a school room after the bell for the prorated cost of the janitor cheaply.
Otherwise these nonprofit tutors meet at the nearest library. So PPS has crony anomalys imo.
I believe coverup operates at some level within PPS over a number of Skyline idiosyncracies
I was kinda wondering if some of her volunteers were at Skyline. In Kyron’s room.
He was not reading on advanced level at disappearance iirc.
I have come to the mindset, the only way LE will actually come forward and give an update on the progress of this case, is if there is a grass roots, wide spread, sign holding outcry & petition of walking adults on the steps of MCSO – possibly for days on end demanding some conclusion. I’m continuously amazed at the delays and stays and continuances of cases in all aspects of the law. Sad, but this is our truth in 2013 all across this nation in every aspect of court proceedings. Everything takes too many court appearances and too many days and months and sometimes years to accomplish anything when it matters. An attorney can excuse witnesses, plaintiffs and defendants with mere requests and behind closed doors say anything they want, truthful or not, and get continuances based on nothing but lies. Ugh!!! We need a fix to stop this madness…across the board!
Prayers for Kyron and his family.
@Rose
So when did she plead the 5th to every question she was asked?
What would the reason be for her to appear before the GJ again? I guess I confused
@ Lauren.. Dede didn’t testify the first time she was called before the GJ.. Evidently, this time (within the last two weeks) she did. She must have been given some sort of immunity to do so. Wouldn’t we all love to know what her testimony was.
Obviously, DY was in chambers this morning. Was Kaine? The two of them clearly are not communicating right now. Why is Stanton so “close” to Kaine and not to Desiree? Why does Kaine get all the “information” .. does Kaine share what he knows with Desiree, and if so, how? If Kaine wasn’t in chambers this morning I wonder if he opted out because he is ashamed of his behavior and doesn’t have the brass to face DY. Maybe he did show but there is no media mention of him being there.
Minor point- DS DID present for the grand jury and was not called and asked any questions. Nobody knows what she would have said there, or pled there- she was never questioned.
B
erose says:
July 30, 2013 at 7:57 pm
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Hi Erose, not sure what to think about all the news today. I really hope DeDe Spicher’s testimony is relevant and advances the case. But, I won’t be surprised if it doesn’t.
I think Staton and others in LE did share quite a bit of information with DY and KH, especially early on. Remember how Kaine spoke about LE discovering that TMH had been leading a double life? I don’t know what LE found, but I strongly suspect it was enough to keep her on their radar. It appears that LE stopped sharing case-sensitive info with the parents. I think the turning point came when DY went to the media immediately after LE shared with her the “hateful emails” that TMH had allegedly written about Kyron. My understanding is that Staton called DY and KH in afterward, and sets some limits with them. After that meeting, neither parent had much to share about the particulars
of the investigation.
You asked how LE can keep doing this to her. Imo, this is not something LE is doing to Desiree; this is what the perpetrator is doing to Desiree, Kaine, Tony, Ky’s siblings, and extended family. The perp is solely responsible for all this interminable suffering. Sometimes the path to solving a crime is long and arduous, as we have seen here and in many other cases. Being married to a detective, Desiree knows that LE rarely reveals much to the victim’s family during on ongoing criminal investigations. I think she is doing amazingly well under the worst of circumstances.
Prayers for Kyron and all who love him.
Is this what you were referring to wrt dede not testifying?
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/10/terri_hormans_friend_dede_spic.html
Rose says:
July 30, 2013 at 11:50 pm
(snipped)
This is a generally a neurocognitive disorder coded at least in our ieps as Specific Reading Disorder.
Moreover somehow this former employee is able to send volunteer PAID tutors onto PPS school premises during school hours to “tutor” reading. Around my County paid private tutors can’t do that. If they are lucky, they can rent a school room after the bell for the prorated cost of the janitor cheaply.
Otherwise these nonprofit tutors meet at the nearest library. So PPS has crony anomalys imo.
Well, Rose, my high school had Sylvan Learning Center set up shop in an area of the school which they remodeled for themselves (carpeted, air conditioned) and work with kids who got the services free. Can’t remember if this lasted beyond 2 or 3 years. We also had tutors provided by a popular non-profit and by a community college, in addition to teachers who voluntarily stayed after to help kids, coaches, and off campus centers. PPS has tried more things like that than I can shake a stick at. If I had to say the number 1 factor for those kids that found success through tutoring programs, it would simply be a connection with the tutor that was based on mutual respect, confidence, and a feeling of purpose. If you have that and put in the time, just about any program will show successes.
@GraceintheHills = So well said, and so easy to forget. Thanks. Good to hear from you.
GraceintheHills says:
July 31, 2013 at 1:57 am
“Imo, this is not something LE is doing to Desiree; this is what the perpetrator is doing to Desiree, Kaine, Tony, Ky’s siblings, and extended family. The perp is solely responsible for all this interminable suffering. Sometimes the path to solving a crime is long and arduous, as we have seen here and in many other cases. Being married to a detective, Desiree knows that LE rarely reveals much to the victim’s family during on ongoing criminal investigations. I think she is doing amazingly well under the worst of circumstances.”
No, Lauren. She was subpoenaed to grand jury in July 2010, complied, with her lawyer, but the ADA (Rees?) opted to ask her no questions. He had not recalled her since.
http://crimeseekers (dot) net/forums/archive/index.php/t-8185.html
(This is an archieve of newspaper articles.)
The mystery woman who Kyron Horman’s parents believe has information about their son’s disappearance appeared Monday before an “investigative grand jury,” according to her lawyer.
DeDe Spicher, a longtime friend of the missing Oregon boy’s stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, was subpoenaed to meet with the panel at a Portland, Ore., area courthouse, lawyer Chad Stavley tells The Oregonian.
“[It] was a preliminary, very short session,” adds Stavley. “I anticipate she’ll be back in front of the jury sometime in the future.”
The lawyer tells CNN’s HLN that prosecutors didn’t ask Spicher any questions about the case and only asked her to return.
Kyron’s parents, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, contend Spicher impeded the sheriff’s investigation by refusing to cooperate with authorities. Her lawyer, however, says she has met with detectives for more than three hours and has had “several follow-up conversations.” The mystery woman who Kyron Horman’s parents believe has information about their son’s disappearance appeared Monday before an “investigative grand jury,” according to her lawyer.
DeDe Spicher, a longtime friend of the missing Oregon boy’s stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, was subpoenaed to meet with the panel at a Portland, Ore., area courthouse, lawyer Chad Stavley tells The Oregonian.
“[It] was a preliminary, very short session,” adds Stavley. “I anticipate she’ll be back in front of the jury sometime in the future.”
The lawyer tells CNN’s HLN that prosecutors didn’t ask Spicher any questions about the case and only asked her to return.
Kyron’s parents, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, contend Spicher impeded the sheriff’s investigation by refusing to cooperate with authorities. Her lawyer, however, says she has met with detectives for more than three hours and has had “several follow-up conversations.” “
Lauren says:
July 31, 2013 at 1:50 am
@Rose
Q So when did she plead the 5th to every question she was asked?
A When Dede was deposed by Desirees attorney for the civil suit Desiree brought against Terri last fall.
Q What would the reason be for her to appear before the GJ again? I guess I confused
A The first time Dede presented herself for grand jury testimony the grand jury panel did not ask her any questions. (she did not refuse to answer they never ask). Presumably this time when she made herself available to the grand jury they ask her some questions which she answered.
So maybe DD taking 5th last Fall (which any fool would do, involved or not) convinced Rees she was a co-conspirator, resulting in his finally questioning her before GJury. And, it likely turned out she didn’t.
I truly do not believe Spicher had a thing to do with the dropping of the suit. As I have stated from day one, and this is not an “I told you so” to anyone by any means, but the suit was meritless. I believe it only made it out of first gear because technically Houze/Bunch did not file an appearance before the motion to abate.
I was shocked when it made it out of the abatement- which Rosenthal KNEW was the invitation as his suit was written- to a countersuit. He just never bargained on TMH taking that position unofficially but I promise you conversations occurred whereby Wagner/Houze turned the tide and said TMH has had enough of the smear campaign and please note that as a courtesy we intend to fight this suit, and file a countersuit in such a way to prove her innocence publicly that she cannot do in the criminal matter due to the invoke.
Personally, I would not be surprised to learn TMH counsel advised her to file a countersuit, and as a gesture to DY she declined as long as she agreed to dismiss. I would like to read the order on the dismissal- did she assume costs for TMH counsel fees?
I know everyone wants to put DY in their pocket. Myself included. It is time for someone that truly has this woman’s best interests at heart to have the chat that needs to be had about the reality of this case.
I am seeing scuttlebut of translations stating that this must mean TMH is going to be indicted.
The State is listed as a party- they were not present. The State having made themselves a party to all actions, is not going to object to a RO being dismissed in lieu of a temporary MUTUAL no contact on basis they provided when they have knowledge of a pending indictment? DY is going to be counseled to drop her lawsuit when it is about to get the incisors it needed?
Kaine uses the term “full throttle” to describe the status of his divorce case when he anticipates TMH heading down the perp walk in shackles any day instead of seeing their daughter?
My goodness people- ( and I am talking to the haters out there, and those just really unwilling to see this for what is really going on because they are emotionally invested in their need to be right about TMH- so nobody here, lol) Every flipping single thing I have said would happen now has- and I am no oracle, it is about the constitutional infringements that LE levied here and the fall out.
I want to hurl every time I read ‘to maintain the integrity of the investigation’- I submit, I happen to believe it is the LACK of integrity in this investigation by LE who were untrained and improperly supervised to run it that has a child missing without a trace for over 3 years.
Oh yeah, and the fact that TMH may have nothing to do with Kyron’s disappearance and the finger pointing of the last 3 years has done nothing but produce a content suspect zero and keep a woman from her toddler when she needed her most, at a minimum.
For any MCSO resident who does not fear for their personal liberty at some point in that jurisdiction based on this case I suggest strongly you home school.
Kyron Horman deserves to be recovered and those responsible for what happened to this sweet child of God need to be brought to justice and I pray for a clarity cloud to rain on these people already- for his sake.
B
@MBSings. re ““It’s my understanding that (Spicher) finally agreed to testify in front of the grand jury a week or two ago,” said Elden Rosenthal, Young’s attorney.” Now that characterization is about as professional as violating GJ secrecy or filing a meritless frivolous suit on the backs of public donations & a broken woman.
Spicher showed up to testify in 2010. She could not reappear unless and until the DA subpoenaed her, which he finally did. Does he realky talk to his client this way.
After reading the Manual, her saying he couldn’t get the records was more BS. It is conditional. While there are separate Discovery rules the Disclosure Manual refers to, one with a meritorious well-founded suit would forge on imo. Unless it’s a question of money.
I suspect most of the $15,000 was gone. We knowDesiree’s father had comment on Kaine’s use of his donor pot. With Kelly in charge, I have felt Desiree’s family encouraged her to parity in a donor base with Kaine. I feel she must find an independent criminalist advisor than her family, Roseburgers, Cruz, and her attorney in this action.
River Patrol deals with media constantly in the summer wrt river rescues & hazards, but in the role of heroic action figure role. I like the idea of a MCSO reality show to buff up their budget. Plenty of personal scandels mixed with heroism & politics & throw in a prison guard.
(Nothing to do but twiddle thumbs and read everyone’s thoughts while awaiting new a/c estimate, while sleepless.)
@Blink. I think that press release was CYA legalese in part drafted or revised by Carlos. If Mult County City Attorney were wise & proactive, she’d conduct an internal investigation of this investigation asap.
My word, if semi-literate passes for CYA these days from a LEO I intend to hide under covers of some kind.
Yes, this case has needed serious oversight, and BECAUSE of the internal history of the whistleblowing kind at MCSO it needs to be US DOJ, imo. Transparent is the only way. Duct tape not gonna work for change.
B
I hadn’t seen this before. Does this mean some community members complained about MCSO ICE holds? http://www.mcso.us/profiles/pdf/statement_immigration.pdf
@ Blink, a cursory answer to yr question.
I think the promotional path for those associated with Kyron’s case is Sheriff’s Deputy (line level workers) to Sgt to Lt. They all rotate and if one is rotated to a criminalinvestigatory unit, one is called a detective in that unit until one rotates out.
I don’t think “detective” is a promotion, but a functional role.
In the Detective Unit one’s job title is still Deputy.
See Marion Cty example below.
A Sgt appears to supervise a team within a unit and a Lt to supervise a unit.
Then comes Commander, Chief Deputy, Asst Sheriff, Interim Sheriff, Sheriff based on an Election
from http://victoriataftkpam.blogspot.com/2010/12/mccain-kyron-kops-confident-yet.html?m=1
“The Portland Police Bureau (PPB) is Oregon’s largest police department with 95 budgeted detectives. At PPB, the position of detective is actually a promotional position from police officer as opposed to a rotational assignment as in many smaller agencies. Portland’s 95 detectives are more than MCSO’s total number of law enforcement sergeants and deputy sheriffs combined and dwarf’s MCSO’s detective unit of six deputies. Yet Portland’s vastly more experienced detectives have been conspicuously absent from the Kyron Horman case as MCSO tried to solve this case mostly without Portland’s help, despite the recent announcement of the cost-shifting Task Force.”
promitional examples from a neighboring County:
http://pdxfanews.blogspot.com/2013/05/sheriff-jason-myers-announces-sergeant.html?m=1
one MCSO Sheriff’s career trajectory:
http://blog.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/2009/05/attach%201%20minnis%20response%20file%20hist%20docs%202nd%20half.pdf
I see no formal Detective training apart from shooting a gun (course at fbi, sniper suppression).
–community college Associates degree
–patrol officer
–dispatcher & records mgmt
–detective, juveniles unit
–Sgt, of a patrol team
–acting Lt & Unit Commander, Vice & Narc investigations
–Lt, Unit Comm., Special Investigations
–Uniform Patrol, Evening Shift Commander
–Uniform Patrol Mgr of a special project
–Operations Officer, Bureau of Emergcy Communications
–Detective Unit Commander (of just about everything)
–Commander of Special Operations
–Co-chaired a Board of Inquiry resukting in Sheriff retaking custody of jail operations (goes on to grt the job to implement that)
–on a task force to find 3 jail escapees
–Patrol Section Commander on a task force to find 3 jail escapees
–Chief Deputy Corrections. does the merger; builds a jail
–does a lot of Corrections mgmt stuff
–Asst Sheriff, Corrections & Enforcement
–Chief Deputy “waiting in wings”
–Acting Sheriff
–run for Sheriff
in his case the path to the top led thru Corrections and accretion of corrections turf to Sheriff
I am not surprised that Desiree dropped the civil case, but I was blown away that the RO was dropped. What’s fascinating to me is the media’s non-coverage of the significance of his dropping the RO. My goodness, does Kaine Horman have them all under his thumb or what?
The man has stated over and over and over that LE has lead him to believe that Terri Horman tried not only to have him killed, but that she also may have done unimaginable harm to his son, and she continues to be investigated for violent crimes……..now he drops the RO like a hot potato. ???? Someone needs to wake up the media and have them take another look at what the heck is going on here.
Looks like Steve Houze, won’t get his wish. The media will not make a big deal out of any of this, I firmly believe Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, and don’t forget Tony….”if not Terri, then who?”, have convinced the media that Terii did it. Wow, just wow.
Meanwhile whomever took Kyron just may be getting nervous and maybe that is the point of all this dropping of everything.
The Murder Business- Mark Fuhrman. Read it. Read it again.
Not being glib- I am a member of the card carrying media/society of journalists and I find it eye opening.
In short, ending the mystery that continues a high profile case is bad for the news business.
B
@Grace, I agree the perp is ultimately responsible for this. From my perspective, I cannot see how LE can keep looking DY in the eye with their “any day now” promises that they do not seem to be able to keep. Heartbreaking.
“At the same time,” Horman said, “trying to press forward to find Kyron and protect my daughter are the two things that are in the highest priorities.” The daughter’s mother is Terri Horman.
http://www.koin.com/2013/07/30/31700-autosave/
Yeah, protect his daughter, so he drops the RO. Protect his daughter from whom? Not Terri, he dropped the RO. Why isn’t the media questioning this guy and his intentions?