Jodi Arias Trial: In Her Own Words.. How I Killed Travis Alexander With HIS Gun and HIS Knife
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Phoenix, Arizona- In today’s highly anticipated morning testimony, Jodi Arias finally “gets there”.
After weeks of what can only be described as the dog ate my defense testimony led by Kirk Nurmi, Jodi Arias explains the events leading up to and during the murder of Travis Alexander.
Arias describes an irate and menacing Travis who bounds from the shower, causing her to drop his new camera and pouncing on her, knocking her to the wet tile floor.
“ A five year old can hold a camera better than you.” Arias stated Alexander screamed at her among other threatening expletives while she struggled to break free.
She then ran to the master bedroom closet and apparently using the Spiderman techniques she absorbed via osmosis from the alleged Valentines gift, retrieved a gun she claimed Travis owned over two feet out of her reach while he was sprinting behind her.
She pointed the gun at him, did not realize it went off and then Travis, still coming at her, stumbles to his knees on the now bloody tile beneath him. ( Editors Note: As I have always said, I believe the order of this injury is true and is important to the charges against her)
Enter gratuitous memory gap.
“I have no memory of stabbing him.” – Jodi Arias
Although Arias admits to having flash backs, she states she cannot remember any other details with the exception of her crouched in the bathroom covered in blood and drops a knife she believes was upstairs used by Travis to cut ropes he used to tie her up to the bed.
She did however, have the presence of mind to grab the ropes, the gun, apparently removes and loses her shoes and has no idea what happened to the knife she used to stab Alexander 29 times and slit his neck from ear to ear.
Next memory she is driving in the desert with the gun she alleges was Travis’s when she pitches it out the window at a random location, then puts the ropes in a dumpster behind a gas station and washes blood off her hands.
Pause for Arias innocuous driving babble and road scenery.
“Why didn’t you call 911 and tell them what happened?” Kirk Nurmi asks his sniffling but tearless client.
” …He attacked you, why did you feel You messed up pretty badly?”
“This time it was different, he had done it before and nothing happened, it was heightened.” Responded Arias.
While approaching a check point in Utah, she feels like she will be apprehended there.
Arias decided to do a “whole bunch of things” to cover up she was ever there.
So .. “I called his phone to leave a voice mail”. For nearly 16 minutes she says she tried numerous times to leave a cheery voice mail to ask as if she was not present in Alexander’s home.
“I just thought they would be listening to his voice mail, so I just thought it would throw the scent off for a while.”
– Jodi Arias
Yes, she actually said that on the stand. Defense Attorney Kirk Nurmi was observed writing a note to co-counsel Jennifer Wilmott to send an assistant out to Sam’s for an industrial size supply of Tums.
I made that part up. Testimony continues following jury lunch break.
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It just seems like Jodi is enjoying all this attention I am glad to see Martinez back in fact I was very bored
Until he came on maybe he can get some truth going
I couldn’t understand Martinez’ last words. Did he wrap or will he continue on Wed?
Blink, let’s say the shot was fired first which did not kill him. Would not either of the two subsequent acts be considered pre-meditation? As I understand it, pre-meditation can be a matter of seconds. So, whether she stabbed him first or shot him… if she had stopped at simply incapacitating him enough to get away, self-defense could be argued, absent of course all of the supporting facts and her ridiculous lies. We agree that there were three acts – the gunshot, the stabbing and the slicing of the throat. And there were seconds, if not more, between each act. Would there not be a clear case of pre-meditation between acts one, two and/or three? Would this not really preclude the prosecution from having to prove all of the pre-planning, yet those facts simply enhance the already substantiated pre-meditation?
Arias told Martinez late this afternoon that she and Travis were doing alot of fighting on June 4… physical fighting. This part of her testimony pertained to the post-gunshot. So, she does have some memory during the fog.
Didn’t Matt M testify that Arias returned the gas cans to him eventually? She testified today that they were left at her grandparents’ home.
Wow! I watched most of today on CQ’s Youtube so I was able to stop, rewind, replay. If you watch, pay close attention to Arias’ body language today while Martinez was questioning her. With each response she ended by nodding affirmatively to the jury as if to convince them her words are truthful… yet her facial features told a different story. There were times that her eyes cast evil glances at the jury for daring to ask or confront her with such a question.
The jury is on the same Jodi-go-round that we are. Unsure what to believe, if anything.
The cold hard facts are that she killed him… she had time to meditate, albeit seconds, before each of the three acts… and she concealed the truth.
Victoria Washington is fortunate to have been given a pass, for whatever reason. There are some people that are best not dealt with. My mom used to say with these people, take your knocks, run and don’t look back. It’s just so sad that Travis didn’t run.
Anyone ever see the movie Office Space? …….I can’t help but picture/hear the character of Lumbergh when Nurmi is speaking. Yeah…..ummm….Jodi…..I’m gonna have to ask you…..to ummmm…..go ahead….and move the mic…..ummm….a little closer……. so we can ummmm….hear you
Great posts everyone! I’ve been tied up the last couple of days and just wanted to take a min to address calling Nurmi a pig for defending Jodi.
First of all I don’t really think he is that bad and I was aware of the fact that he tired to get taken off her case. I am really thankful that we have a chance at a defense in this country and I am thankful to the people that are willing to do this job. I was just so aggrevated at Jodi the day I made that comment and he happened to be the one I took it out on.
I will say however that I do not have any respect for the defense attorneys who blantantly know their client is guilty and yet they continue to fight for and cover up for them.
Pale rider:
I am far from a gun expert but I would recommend a Smith & Wesson 38 revolver. A revolver is safer than a semi automatic handgun in regards to an accidental shooting and a .38 while more powerful than an .22 or .25 is still small and compact enough for carrying and it doesn’t have a bad kick.
I also have a Smith & Wesson 357 Magnum (revolver) for protection inside my house. However it is a very powerful gun, it kicks really bad and since it is a much larger gun it would not be good for carrying so I wouldn’t recommend it to someone as a first gun especially a female.
Again, I’m no expert, this is JMO. I would recommend trying out several different guns at a shooting range to find what your the most comfortable with. I started out 20 yrs. ago with a .22 cal semi- automatic handgun and just worked my way up with alot of practice. Good luck finding ur best fit!
Just want to say that BOC is not promoting any particular brand or model of firearm and is simply supporting OPINIONS on potential handguns for REGISTERED USE with appropriate gun safety training ( you knew this was coming everyone, have to say it).
That said, I own a .38 Ruger LCR with crimson lace grip that I love.
B
@Malty says:
March 7, 2013 at 8:07 pm
“It just seems like Jodi is enjoying all this attention I am glad to see Martinez back in fact I was very bored
Until he came on maybe he can get some truth going”
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After today I think she is wearing thin. Martinez brought out more lies.
If sex was the game she played with him because it relaxed him and calmed him, which she testified to repeatedly, then why would he fly into a rage after all that sex they had prior to his being brutally murdered? He wouldn’t have! Why didn’t she just say she told him she was going to see Ryan, or she was never going to see him again, or something like that, and he got mad. Why did she say she dropped the camera. I still can’t get over the fact that there were pictures being taken after she supposedly dropped the camera. How did that occur. Invisible ninjas?
JMOO. Peace to Travis, prayers for his family and for these jurors.
Anyone else catch this statement by Jodi? I’m a little ‘wow’, she actually said that?
http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/crime/2013/03/08/evexp-sot-arias-own-fault-if-convicted.hln
Call me immensely, over-the-top hopeful, but, did a nail just get hammered into the coffin?
@jden
I am pretty sure I heard Beth Karas on HLN say that Martinez will resume his questioning when court resumes on Wednesday.
I feel I need to correct something, for what it’s worth. I think my father’s view of the case is interesting because he’s a retired court clerk. He’s the one I’ve talked to the most about any interesting case I’ve come across even years ago before there was the internet and now BOC. Anyway, I wanted to clear up that he didn’t say that Martinez is MORE aggressive than the vast majority of prosecutors. He said he’s the MOST aggressive and that the chief prosecutor and/or the judge may ask him to tone it down. LOL
I was the one who said that the extreme aggression seems to work for Martinez. It does seem to be working for him in this case, but then the evidence and the story being what they are, aren’t the jurors asking the obvious questions? Either their asking the obvious questions or they’re reading Blink on Crime. LOL
I really like the jury being able to ask questions. I would have been happy if the whole trial could have been this way. The only criticism I have of it is that a few of the questions have been smart alecky and I really don’t think the judge should have allowed them. The question “how would you define skank” for example. She should have kept it more respectful to the court if not to Jodi. MOO I wonder if the cameras change things. I’m all for transparency but the media (NG and so on) bring it far beyond transparency.
Mom3.0, are you still worried it will end like the CA case after hearing the jury questions? It will be alright.
I love the jury being able to ask questions. It is going to decrease the likelyhood of a hung jury, imo.
That said, I could see the potential in a different case where the defense was stronger helping to strengthen the areas of rebuttal they might need. Overall, I find it allows the jurors ownership over their participation and duty.
B
I suspect we’ll hear more about Matt McCartney.
The question, “Did Napoleon run to greet people when they came in?” was a good one. I would have asked that question. I heard the jurors have even more questions!!!! I wonder if they’ll ask, “You said Napoleon was very animated when people came in and would run to the door barking if the bell rang. How do you suppose it is Napoleon didn’t hear you come in at 4 AM on June 4th and run to greet you?”
Someone who called into the NG show tonight actually had a very good comment. She said that if Travis owned a .25, even if it wasn’t required to register it, he would have told his insurance company (homeowner’s) that he owned it and it was kept in the home. Plus, he would have told his roommates just for safety reasons.
Does anyone know if it’s required to register a gun as small as a .25 in most states? ATG maybe?
Also, I wonder when someone buys and/or registers a gun are they told to let their insurance company know that they have one in the house?
I suppose questions like this are becoming a moot point but I’m curious to know if the state might look for Travis’s old insurance policy and take a look.
Any handgun must be registered in AZ, regardless of purchase, gift, or probate.
B
One more question. OK, it’s looking like Jodi really was a bit of a stalker, even if she DIDN’T slash the tires. I’m wondering what she planned on doing with that 9mm especially since she knew she had nothing to lose at that point? Very scary thought.
Isn’t it funny how she bought a gun to defend herself (if needed) from the guys she went camping with but according to her, she never took weapons to defend herself from the man who was brutally abusing her.
Also, now that she had murdered Travis for the “abuse”, did she think it was okay to just murder that crosses her or anyone that she felt threatened by?
I think this whole trip to see Travis was planned for a long time. We don’t know where Jodi got the money to pay for the car rental and the fuel to make the trip.
IMO the gas cans were borrowed so that she would not have a recent purchase receipt for them. The gas was bought in California so that she could say that she never went to Arizona during that time. She could claim that the gas purchase was for the trip to Utah.
She first had to steal the gun from her grandfather, then wait for some time to pass after the report to the police of its theft.
She drove to see Travis without letting anyone including Travis know that she was going to Arizona. She just showed up. After the sexcapade, she left the house, went to her car, put on sox over her shoes to muffle her steps and prevent blood from getting on them. She picked up the pistol in its holster and the knife and returned to the house.
She either knew that the front door would be unlocked or that she could get in with a key that Travis didn’t know about.
She went upstairs, surprised him in the shower and stabbed him in the chest. He lost his footing and slipped in the shower. She backed up beyond the sink to see what he would do. The gun was in her hand, hidden by her leg. He got up and came towards her and she fired a lucky shot hitting him in the forehead. He staggered to the sink, bleeding from his wounds, pulled himself together and went after her. She tried to stab him again in the chest and he put his hands up to deflect the blows which caused the defensive wounds. She retreated to the hall,got behind him and cut his throat causing the blood spatter shown high on the hallway wall in the photos. Travis dropped to the floor and she began a whole series of stabs that were found on various part of his body.
Then she began to get him back to the shower using some of the bedding to help move him. She wanted to get away before any of the housemates returned. Because of this, she did not clean up good enough and left the palm print in the blood on the wall and the camera in the washing machine. I believe that the deletions of photos was done prior to the attack. The palm print and the camera allowed the police to know she was there and was involved in the attack.
She cannot tell the truth about anything. Everything in her life has been shaded by her imagination and the lies that she constantly tells. She admitted in testimony that she visited all the other women Travis was seeing to talk about her and their relationship to him. If the truth were known, I think she tried to convince these women that Travis was hers and they didn’t have a chance of making it otherwise.
Based on the type of questions asked by the jurors, I think they have her figured out. She will get the DP unless she has a juror that simply cannot give it because of sympathy for her regarding the mental issues.
Jodi said, instead of being sad or jealous when she found out Travis was interested in another women that he was maybe going to want to marry, it was actually bittersweet because even though they we’re not together, she was happy he had found love.
Oh really Jodi? You we’re happy he had found love? Then why did you try to ruin it by continuing to have sex with him?
SOTT says:
March 7, 2013 at 9:17 pm
Anyone ever see the movie Office Space? …….I can’t help but picture/hear the character of Lumbergh when Nurmi is speaking. Yeah…..ummm….Jodi…..I’m gonna have to ask you…..to ummmm…..go ahead….and move the mic…..ummm….a little closer……. so we can ummmm….hear you
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DISCLAIMER- COMIC RELIEF
I mean no disrespect to the victim or to the families- in sharing these thoughts-
SOTT—
Yes I have seen that movie it is one of my favorites and when Nurmi showed that pic of Jodis face during sex and asked her if she looked like she was enjoying it- I thought who looks like they are enjoying sex most people look like they are in pain or they have the “oh face” ala Office Space
Sott if Nurmi is Lumberg then is Jodi Milton?
MILTON WADDAMS
And I said, I don’t care if they lay me off either, because I told, I told Bill that if they move my desk one more time, then, then I’m, I’m quitting, I’m going to quit. And, and I told Don too, because they’ve moved my desk four times already this year, and I used to be over by the window, and I could see the squirrels, and they were married, but then, they switched from the Swingline to the Boston stapler, but I kept my Swingline stapler because it didn’t bind up as much, and I kept the staples for the Swingline stapler and it’s not okay because if they take my stapler then I’ll set the building on fire…
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both very dangerous “characters” capable of almost anything when they are “wronged” both love to talk about their situtions yet no one really wants to hear the mindless drivel.
AJMO
Peace
Thank you Blink for your summation re: Jodi defending herself. I knew I wasnt crazy. lol Funny thoughts about lawyers jumping out the window so they wouldnt be trying to defend this psycho. This case has been so heavy, and thought consuming, that I have really appreciated the little snippets of humor now and then….still laughing about the spastic colon…lol..thanks futureman.
Interesting too about the dog gate, hadnt heard that before. I wonder if she secured it before the sex, or after she pretended to leave and came back. Another premeditation moment for me. Hate to wait until next wed. to hear the rest of the Jodi saga.
One question I would love for a juror to ask: “Do you still think that no jury will convict you?”
Only in my dreams, I know…
Blink if it makes you feel any better I couldnt watch it straight thru either- and yes she definitely needs to be studied-
AJMO
Joan says:
March 7, 2013 at 11:26 pm
I really like the jury being able to ask questions. I would have been happy if the whole trial could have been this way. The only criticism I have of it is that a few of the questions have been smart alecky and I really don’t think the judge should have allowed them. The question “how would you define skank” for example. She should have kept it more respectful to the court if not to Jodi. MOO I wonder if the cameras change things. I’m all for transparency but the media (NG and so on) bring it far beyond transparency.
Mom3.0, are you still worried it will end like the CA case after hearing the jury questions? It will be alright.
I love the jury being able to ask questions. It is going to decrease the likelyhood of a hung jury, imo.
That said, I could see the potential in a different case where the defense was stronger helping to strengthen the areas of rebuttal they might need. Overall, I find it allows the jurors ownership over their participation and duty.
B
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I do agree with you guys I think the jury being able to ask questions is good- but it has its draw backs-
“Overall, I find it allows the jurors ownership over their participation and duty.B”
Great thought Blink!
but the questioning has its draw backs IMO-especially when youre dealing with a practiced diabolical liar who can change “the truth” based upon what she perceives the jury wants from her-
FPS how many times has she given a different or conflicting detail or remembrance? Is one of the new lies goning to work? IDK
and it would seem that the jury isnt buying her Crap based on the questions but what I keep thinking is these questions dont represent ALL members of the jury…there could be that one lone silent juror who is the fly in ointment of justice-
I feel better Joan after hearing the questions I do, thanks for asking, but still I will never again pretend to guess what side a juror/jury is leaning toward- I dont want to jinx it-
AJMO
Joan
To answer your question about registration of a .25 cal. gun. Every state is different. I have not checked the registration requirements for Arizona. However, I do know they have open carry which means you can carry a firearm in a holster on the street in plain sight.
Blink talked about registration being required. She probably looked this up. She lives in a state that has a lot of restrictions on guns. It is not easy to get a permit in NJ.
My advice to Pale Rider is for a beginners gun and not one for self defense. First you learn to shoot and gun safety rules, then you learn some tactics about defensive shooting and finally you graduate to a larger caliber. You can work for the concealed carry permit with the 22lR and continue with the larger caliber.
Two of my carry guns are a 32 cal. revolver chambered for S&W long cartridges which were used as police specials in the State of New York and other states for a long time. These shells pack a punch and are 95 grain bullets. The second is a Bersa Thunder automatic .380 again with a bullet in the 90 plus grain size. I can conceal both in a jacket pocket or pants pocket.
When I showed the Bersa to my oldest daughter who has a whole handful of guns, she thought it was so cute she wanted to take it home with her.
The most important thing is to get training and then practice. The concept of a 22LR is to allow practice without spending the bucks required for larger caliber shells. This also allows people who are not used to the recoil force to learn to shoot without flinching. If you flinch or jerk the trigger, you cannot hit your intended target.
If one is going to carry a gun, then make it priority one to get proper training. Then practice, practice, practice.
One thing I forgot to add is to review state permit laws and the ability to travel with your firearm if you cross state lines by vehicle or watercraft. Depending on the state you might need special permission. Lastly, owning a registered weapon does not grant you the automatic license to carry it with you anywhere. In most states, a separate permit is required for that and it is entirely possible that one could be granted an owner’s permit but denied open carry or concealed. I am one of those staunch supporters of right to bear arms, but I am also a huge believer that many people should never own them based on their capacity to operate them in an emergency situation, sometimes the habits of other family members, and the fact that overall very few people take the time to train for such uses.
Lastly, the most important thing in gun ownership is it’s storage. You must discuss the ages and access of family members with your gun dealer to arrive at the most secure solution and they are generally expensive. Locking your firearm in an old metal bank box or throwing it on top of a high closet is beyond dangerous, and can actually be illegal in some states.
Do exhaustive research, and when done, I recommend you make an appointment with a LEO in your community and discuss any lingering concerns.
Your local gun range should have expert trainers willing take 15 minutes and go over some training and certification programs.
B
My favorite part of today was when JM was questioning her and she either didn’t hear or didn’t follow the question, so rather than say “Can you please repeat the question?” she took the badass approach, stared him in the eye and said, “Say What?”…classy.
I think JM has something good in store for Wednesday. He seemed to motion to the judge to end the day a little early, which indicates to me that he has a good line of questioning that he wants uninterrupted. I think he is going to go to town on the holster suddenly being part of the story, and then not. When she mentioned the holster the other day for the first time his reaction also, was practically “say WHAT?”…
Either that or it has something to do with that guy Matt. She is definitely, in my opinion, hiding something regarding him.
I leave you tonight with another lie of Jodis that i hope the jury will pick up on thru careful scrutiny of the evidence-
Question begins at 25:10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICV2A7gVHf4
Q PP why didnt you just run out the exit instead of the closet
A i did initially think run so thats why i went down the hallway and then right as i got to the hallway with the doors being shut it just seemed like more of an obstacle it would give him more time to catch up to open the door this way and run around it and out when this door was an equal distance and open and I could just run that way and into it
–Equal distance NO- and she couldnt tell if either door was open or closed until she was past the “end” of the hallway…where Travis supposedly grabbed her wrist last time to hug her and apologize….
The Huffington post site
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/31/jodi-arias-timeline_n_2387245.html
Look at pic 80 of 161
Notice how the wall on the closet side extends out further than the wall to the exit?-
She could have opened the door and been heading down stairs before the time it took her to round the wall and slam the door – then jump up on the shelf and make it to the middle of the bathroom arms outstretched and gun un-holstered pointed cocked safety off …
and again I ask did the toilet room have a lock on the door? why wouldnt she run in there or around the bend to the exit…instead of holding her ground in the middle of the bathroom pointing what she thought was an “unloaded” weapon?
her stories dont make sense to me
Enjoy the long break Guys
AJMO
Oh Joan before i end this and shut up-
about the jurors question on defining “skank”
I do not think this question necessarily was meant to be smart alecky
From my understanding some of these jurors or older- they may not be familiar with the word and it could have been their way of asking what is a skank– and there IS more than one definition of the word skank
it doesnt necessarily mean whorey -
it could mean lanky skinny tall and gawky- heroinesque
the dictionary defines it this way:
slang : a person and especially a woman of low or sleazy character
and as we all know jodi loves to interpret things in her own special way… who could say before clarification what she thought it meant?
and still we are unsure if it was said in a playful joking manner or with ill intent…
Jodi perceives ill intent or abuse when there is none she overreacts
she over dramatizes
AJMO
About the rope I understood it was used on the bed for sex
So why did she take the rope and gun to get rid of
Her hands were bloody
Was the rope bloody also
I keep wondering why she had to get rid of the rope
Am I missing something?
Anyone?
I think it was covered in Travis’s blood and that is what she used to drag him. I personally don’t believe there was ever any rope- I think she used whatever was torn from the pillows and make the rest up to explain a knife upstairs. Again, this is an area that the prosecution could have used an experiment on the actual bed with a LEO Jodi’s size. One thing that has absolutely stupified me is that no fiber evidence was submitted for testing in this case. If rope was used and tied to this bed, I promise you that those fibers would be all over that bedroom in various places but most especially behind the bed on the floor.
The jury has already voiced their opinion albeit indirectly on the non-testing of fibers.
B
@SCOTT – HAhaaaa…Office Space is one of my “favorite watch again and again” movies.”ummmmm yahhhh Jodi, Im just gonna ask you to go ahead and tell the jury your entire life story one more time…..greeeeaaaaat…and if you could just go ahead and remember every last detail this time that would be greaaat….”
Been wondering why Nurmi would sound so bored and unmoved by his own client…then read on here he had tried to remove himself from the case. you’d think in a death penalty case they’d ensure the defendant had willing counsel.
SOTT says:
March 7, 2013 at 9:17 pm
Anyone ever see the movie Office Space? …….I can’t help but picture/hear the character of Lumbergh when Nurmi is speaking. Yeah…..ummm….Jodi…..I’m gonna have to ask you…..to ummmm…..go ahead….and move the mic…..ummm….a little closer……. so we can ummmm….hear you
A Texas Grandfather says:
March 8, 2013 at 12:27 am
Based on the type of questions asked by the jurors, I think they have her figured out. She will get the DP unless she has a juror that simply cannot give it because of sympathy for her regarding the mental issues.
Well there is still hope. One of the juror quetions was if she had ever gotten help for her mental issues and she said she did not have any. She should get the DP to me.
Oh I also do not think she snuck in after he was in the shower. There are just to many different poses in the shower for that to happen IMO. I think she cooerced him into posing for shower pics so she would have the advantace when she attacked him. She probably got a few wounds on him before he was able to get his bearings and get to the sink, where she then continued the slaughter, he then ran from her down the hall and I think that is when the throat was slit. I do think the gunshot was the last wound. She did a lot of damage in a couple of minutes. There was no time for an attack and a defense and all the running and coming at her. Just how can anyone run 2 feet anyway and keep coming. (referring to him being at the closet door and her in the middle of the bathroom)
I’m disgusted. At this point, I hope that she does not become “a voice” or “the voice” of battered womens syndrome. She has obviously been coached somehow on many aspects of this condition. The problem with “learning” an ailment without living through it is the details. The things she says are consistently incongruent with her actions. I’ve said it before and will say it again. She was NOT abused by TA. Good luck actually moving 1000 miles away from a batterer (with his knowledge and permission) in the first place, much less wanting to please him and see him after she escaped. She wouldn’t have kept a journal. Why? Because a real batterer would take ANYTHING out of context (good, bad or otherwise) and you NEVER give him that ammunition. I could go on and on about this but I am finding myself quite angry at this point. She’s trashing the reputation of someone (I didn’t know) who probably doesn’t deserve it with allegations of something that he didn’t do while portraying herself as a victim – a victim of something about which she has no first-hand knowledge.
All of her words are in the present. She is clearly still lying. She does not speak of these events in past tense. She makes me sick and I hope this jury does not let her walk free.
ATG – It sounded like at least one of the jurors has some knowledge of firearms so hopefully that will be to the state’s advantage in the jury room.
AJMOO
Joan – With respect to an insurance company knowing if there is a gun in the house…
I have worked in the insurance industry, and I do not recall that being a question a carrier asks a homeowner. Strangely enough they will ask if you own a trampoline or have a dog, but not a gun??
Maybe in other states, but not asked in my experience. Either in commercial lines or personal lines.
Been awhile since I’ve watched a trial in full so I have questions as to format.
I know we have some experts first, but will there be rebuttals thereafter? Will the State bring additional witnesses at this point?
Does Travis’ next of kin have a chance to speak and will they?
Will the jury have an opp for additional questions?
Who gives final arguments first, the State or the defense? And, are objections allowed thereto? I hope not, I am so over Nurmi asking to approach.
JR regarding a person in a death penalty case being ensured a willing attorney…They are required by the bar to zealously represent their client. So even if he was not willing and ended up having to represent her anyway he is bound by the rules etc. of the Bar.
Malty says:
March 8, 2013 at 3:54 am
About the rope I understood it was used on the bed for sex
So why did she take the rope and gun to get rid of
Her hands were bloody
Was the rope bloody also
I keep wondering why she had to get rid of the rope
Am I missing something?
Anyone?
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My opinion is that there never was a rope but is yet another made up story to explain a knife being in the room. She said it was cut in the hallway so that they could use it on the bed. Agree with Blink there would be fibers on the bed. Might also be rub marks from the rope on the headboard, most definately would be fibers down the hallway where it was supposedly cut. She had to put the knife in the room same as the gun. I believe she thinks these stories will rebutt the premediation.
She looks frail and depressed. Do they watch the inmates closely in jail? Or would her narcissism prevent her from committing suicide?
33. Jden says:
March 8, 2013 at 9:25 am
Been awhile since I’ve watched a trial in full so I have questions as to format.
I know we have some experts first, but will there be rebuttals thereafter? Will the State bring additional witnesses at this point?
Does Travis’ next of kin have a chance to speak and will they?
Will the jury have an opp for additional questions?
Who gives final arguments first, the State or the defense? And, are objections allowed thereto? I hope not, I am so over Nurmi asking to approach.
Jden – I practice in other jurisdictions, but the typical answers are:
- After the defense rests, the prosecution is permitted a rebuttal case. All evidence during that phase must directly rebut something brought up during the defense case. I expect that we will see some very interesting things during the rebuttal and, although I have not looked at the witness lists, the prosecution likely has a rebuttal expert in the wings depending on what the defense experts say.
- Travis’ family will likely not be permitted to testify during this phase of the trial, unless they have first-hand knowledge of some issue that is relevant to guilt/innocence. If Jodi is convicted, they will be permitted to testify at the sentencing stage as to the impact of his death on their lives, etc.
- Additional jury questions – it is unclear what types of questions you are asking about. It appears the jury will be permitted to ask questions of any witnesses that testify.
- Closing arguments – the prosecution bears the burden of proving its case. Therefore, the prosecution always goes first and last. Prosecution will go, defense will go, then prosecution will get the last word. Objections are permitted during closing arguments, but many attorneys choose not to object because it breaks up the flow for the jury and, often, if there is something you don’t want the jury to focus on, objecting just highlights it for them and is often counter-effective. However, I expect, due to the profile of the case and the tone set thus far, there will be objections during closing.
Thank you Blink and Pam
That rope has stuck in my mind as really a odd thing to get rid of when the use of it was suppose to be on the bed
Not in the murder
Actually you are right there may not have been a rope
She sure has a mind for stories
Why were her hands bloody if she had clean up the house another odd thing to me
She drove with bloody hands and no blood was in the car only some spots they thought was cool aid
This woman can tell some of the oddest things but not the important stuff. It is a fog
It also seems like she should have had blood all over her in her hair How could she just have bloody hands
And clean up with bottled water she must have showered or something but then she had bloody hands
This story of after she killed him just does not make sense
Then go to this other guy !!
It is absolutely clear that Travis was a devout Mormon, i.e. virgin, prior to encountering Jodi. He portrayed himself as a successful player (see his MySpace), but unfortunately had no experience dealing with the big guns (no pun intended) in the sexual arena. She believed she had found her meal ticket, and she was a hungry girl… You must see the complete uncensored sex pics. She believed she could absolutely manipulate this rube, and decided to stalk and kill upon the revelation he would never marry a skank. It is fascinating to watch a sociopath at work, judging by Mom’s demeanor, sociopathy might be genetic. Despite the jury’s questions, which I found to be highly entertaining, I’m afraid case will mimic Casey Anthony. IMHO
WOW, take a look at this pic of JA’s finger. See any crookedness???
http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/03/07/photos-jodi-arias-demeanor-hand-gestures-jury-questions-nervous
Thanks, Jden!!! My hubby and I are gonna take claases to get our conceal licenses. I’m going to fire my SIL’s 38 to see how it feels.
I’ve fired weapons of all sorts, including an M-16 and 9mm in the Air Force. The 9mm was ok, but hubby isnt sure that’s the right one for me, LOL!
Blink, LOL, what endorsement? I didn’t see no stinkin’ endorsement!
ATG, I am with you that this trip was planned for some time. I do believe some money was obtained from each of the men she stopped along the way with, whether from the selling of goods or whatever. Then she made the banking deposits.
Jden- Nurmi gets to finish his case- including his experts and such which JM gets to question, then JM will have rebuttal, then closing arguments, losing with JM- yeah!
I believe he will have some stunning moments for her/us or whomever- lets pray for it anyway.
* closing- I am an awful typist/texter or whatever this is.
Blink, Is there anyone living in Travis house now? Did he have a mortgage on the house or did he just lease it? If he owned it, I guess maybe his family sold it? I’m sorry but I’ve always had a problem living in a house where someone died much less where someone was brutally murdered.
It was sold and probated.
B
I havent even commented on this case until now…i am so torn by the fact, she admitted she did it but she is trying to free her self while wrapping he rmind around the justification as to WHY she did it. I am not the jury and i am not the judge and will never be an executioner.
Survivor says:
March 8, 2013 at 8:30 am
I’m disgusted. At this point, I hope that she does not become “a voice” or “the voice” of battered womens syndrome. She has obviously been coached somehow on many aspects of this condition. The problem with “learning” an ailment without living through it is the details. The things she says are consistently incongruent with her actions. I’ve said it before and will say it again. She was NOT abused by TA. Good luck actually moving 1000 miles away from a batterer (with his knowledge and permission) in the first place, much less wanting to please him and see him after she escaped. She wouldn’t have kept a journal. Why? Because a real batterer would take ANYTHING out of context (good, bad or otherwise) and you NEVER give him that ammunition. I could go on and on about this but I am finding myself quite angry at this point. She’s trashing the reputation of someone (I didn’t know) who probably doesn’t deserve it with allegations of something that he didn’t do while portraying herself as a victim – a victim of something about which she has no first-hand knowledge.
All of her words are in the present. She is clearly still lying. She does not speak of these events in past tense. She makes me sick and I hope this jury does not let her walk free.
+++To survivor
I say this, until you walk in a victims shoes at that moment, you do not know what you would do or how you will act…Victims do keep diaries though, they do act a certain particular way because they are a victim, they want so badly for validation from their perpetrator and abuser to need them they will drop everything in their lives for a dime store roll in the hay, even if it is a empty promise and no intent of long term relationship….abuse is a vicious malignant trap abuser know very well how to weave….it is a vicious cycle…I went through this with a friend, step by step, it is an addiction..the abuser isnt a good person, they prey on unassuming, gullable, “people needing attention”..the victim has a need to be wanted and the abuser knows this, thus stroking their ego and the need to feel superior and entitled…the abuser usually uses all kinds of trickery, lies and deceat… and the minute the vicitm realizes the scam they feel horrible , this cycle happens over and over and over and over…i am not saying a victim deserves the abuse at all…but the victim is farther along with needing help because not only are they gullable they are vunerable to inviting this abuse over and over again….abusers spot them easy….my friend has had abusers more than she has true genuine caring people in her life…i have told her time and time again when i sense an undesirable person she has chosen to be romantically involved with.. some of them are hard to spot too… very charming and come off as knowledgable of things and helpful…but in reality they are baiting their victims….they are charasmatic….come off as a softy…reality is they slowly turn the victim against family, friends, and resources…they slowly weave a web.. once the victim has nothing.. they leave….they leave them stranded alone and broken. my friend commited suicide. it is a very sad thing…a bueautiful intellegent very educated women….the world at her feet…everyones dream for a wife…daughter, friend….and a abuser reduced her to thinking she was crazy, and taking her own life. she couldnt excape… he made her feel people were watching her.. slowly everyday he told her things to get her mind working in the wrong direction…everywhere she turned and no matter what her friends and family tried to tell her….she beleived this man over us….she married him even… had kids and continued to live a lie with him….until he detroyed her. after she did EVERYTHING FOr him. marrie dhim , had kids, signed he rname to everything they owned…worked…worked for his families business..he slowly made her feel ugly by telling her other women wanted him…he told her if she didnt do this or that he would leave…so she did those things….he threatened her also if she eve rleft he would take the kids and the cars and the house.. she died at her own hands… he told her her own family wanted her dead….they tried so hard to help her and get her help.. she wouldnt go.. said he would find out she went to a dr and he wouldnt never let her see the kids if they deemed her mental….the justification and reasons would be so crazy as to why she wanted to leave but couldnt…it went on and on….she kept diaries, she kept letters she wanted proof if anything ever happen to her it was him that made it happen….she told her parents what was going on and her family….guess what happen, she killed herself and he cleaned that house top to bottom, all the letters she had wrote and “pictures she took fo the physical abuse” GONE, he got rid of everything of hers was removed from the home, he didnt let her family have NOTHING. NOTHING LEFT THAT HOUSE. she didnt die at her house, she went somewhere and did this…and was found by family. it was so sad…the family asked for some of her things and he claims there was nothing to get….40 years of marriage and nothing to get?? LOL this man scrubbed that house of everything to make sure there was nothing to incriminate him of driving her nuts. We all know he is a control freak and controled her every move. what she ate, how she dressed, who she talked to. he even told her one time he had a girlfriend but couldnt afford to divorce her, so she had to just deal with it. She did. she stayed another 5 years after that….he would reel her back in by telling her he was just joking and playing around to see what she would do….he played mind games like this all the time….he would tell her not to eat something becasue she was so fat ( she wasnt fat) then tell her she didnt eat enough …he was a wierdo, but she loved him, she wanted so bad for validation. acceptance from him, he would pull her in and push her out… pull her in ad push her out…no emotional connection what so ever. just a gratification to fill .. HIS OWN NEEDS.
Mom3.0 says:
March 8, 2013 at 2:28 am
about the jurors question on defining “skank”
I do not think this question necessarily was meant to be smart alecky
From my understanding some of these jurors or older- they may not be familiar with the word and it could have been their way of asking what is a skank– and there IS more than one definition of the word skank
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Mom3.0, You’re right! I’m sure this is the reason the judge allowed the question. Plus when I consider how XXX rated all the testimony has been, the word skank is really the least of it! The jury would need a triple X dictionary to understand all this testimony. OMG.
ATG, you’re right, I’m not looking for a self-defense weapon, at least not right away. I’m actually kind of afraid to carry it with me.
I’m just looking for something manageable for target shooting, and will start with a gun I feel comfortable with.
Jden, you said the .38 has a kick, well, I’ll see how that works out for me in a couple of weeks.
Thanks to all for your suggestions!
Yesterday afternoon Martinez had June 08 bank statements from two of Jodi’s bank accounts. He put one of them up on the screen and did I see it right? I thought I saw a balance of $4,207. It was brought out earlier in the trial that when she moved back to Yreka she was living rent free with her grandparents. I guess she was working to rebuild her savings and maybe to take the trip as well?
To my knowledge there has been no forensics related to fibers found at the crime scene presented in the trial. It makes me question if any were found or if found turned out to be of little value.
I checked the Arizona gun laws and found that for long guns (rifles and shotguns) as well as hand guns they do not require a permit for purchase nor do they have a state registration of any of these guns.
There is a permit for carry either concealed or open. A background check is required at the time of purchase. Most of the Southern and Southwestern states follow the same type of laws. Those in the Northeast have a state registry for purchase.
If one is traveling there is an attorney that has written a book titled: 2013 United States Travelers Guide to the Firearms laws of the 50 States. This is the 17th edition by J. Scott Kappas.