Jodi Arias Trial: In Her Own Words.. How I Killed Travis Alexander With HIS Gun and HIS Knife
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Phoenix, Arizona- In today’s highly anticipated morning testimony, Jodi Arias finally “gets there”.
After weeks of what can only be described as the dog ate my defense testimony led by Kirk Nurmi, Jodi Arias explains the events leading up to and during the murder of Travis Alexander.
Arias describes an irate and menacing Travis who bounds from the shower, causing her to drop his new camera and pouncing on her, knocking her to the wet tile floor.
“ A five year old can hold a camera better than you.” Arias stated Alexander screamed at her among other threatening expletives while she struggled to break free.
She then ran to the master bedroom closet and apparently using the Spiderman techniques she absorbed via osmosis from the alleged Valentines gift, retrieved a gun she claimed Travis owned over two feet out of her reach while he was sprinting behind her.
She pointed the gun at him, did not realize it went off and then Travis, still coming at her, stumbles to his knees on the now bloody tile beneath him. ( Editors Note: As I have always said, I believe the order of this injury is true and is important to the charges against her)
Enter gratuitous memory gap.
“I have no memory of stabbing him.” – Jodi Arias
Although Arias admits to having flash backs, she states she cannot remember any other details with the exception of her crouched in the bathroom covered in blood and drops a knife she believes was upstairs used by Travis to cut ropes he used to tie her up to the bed.
She did however, have the presence of mind to grab the ropes, the gun, apparently removes and loses her shoes and has no idea what happened to the knife she used to stab Alexander 29 times and slit his neck from ear to ear.
Next memory she is driving in the desert with the gun she alleges was Travis’s when she pitches it out the window at a random location, then puts the ropes in a dumpster behind a gas station and washes blood off her hands.
Pause for Arias innocuous driving babble and road scenery.
“Why didn’t you call 911 and tell them what happened?” Kirk Nurmi asks his sniffling but tearless client.
” …He attacked you, why did you feel You messed up pretty badly?”
“This time it was different, he had done it before and nothing happened, it was heightened.” Responded Arias.
While approaching a check point in Utah, she feels like she will be apprehended there.
Arias decided to do a “whole bunch of things” to cover up she was ever there.
So .. “I called his phone to leave a voice mail”. For nearly 16 minutes she says she tried numerous times to leave a cheery voice mail to ask as if she was not present in Alexander’s home.
“I just thought they would be listening to his voice mail, so I just thought it would throw the scent off for a while.”
– Jodi Arias
Yes, she actually said that on the stand. Defense Attorney Kirk Nurmi was observed writing a note to co-counsel Jennifer Wilmott to send an assistant out to Sam’s for an industrial size supply of Tums.
I made that part up. Testimony continues following jury lunch break.
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As far as the gas cans go, I think she’s already explained that and I think her explanation is reasonable. She did say that she initially borrowed the gas cans to buy gas where it would be less expensive, but then when her destination changed and when she realized she’d be driving at night, she filled them up in Pasadena because she was afraid of driving through the desert and running out of gas, especially at night. She also brought water for that reason. You could die out there in the desert. She said she had done that before, and actually, Darryl supported that when he was on the stand. He said she had borrowed his gas cans on other occasions for that purpose. So this was her usual way, and I know that I was on a family trip through that stretch of desert once many years ago, and there were large signs on the highway letting you know that the gas station coming up would be the last one you would pass for hundreds of miles!
I do think her explanation is reasonable and I can’t figure out why her having three gas cans as opposed to two gas cans makes a difference. She’s already said she had two gas cans and she explained why. It’s having the extra gas cans at all that was in question. What difference does it make if it was two, three, or seven? I don’t know why Martinez is pressing the point. Am I missing something? I think it’s only complicating the information for the jurors. Also, the receipt says it was a kerosene container, not gasoline. She may have realized her mistake and returned it. I think kerosene containers are blue, and gasoline containers are red.
I also think her keeping receipts for the route to southern CA and then from Utah to Yreka but NOT for Mesa was a reasonable explanation. Blink said it over a month ago. Nurmi asked her, why keep receipts at all? For tax deductions because she would be attending a PPL event in Utah that she could deduct expenses for, but she couldn’t deduct expenses for a trip to Mesa.
when it comes dowms to it his friends ar enot going to incriminate him either…they liked her yes, Probably becasue she gave them no real reason NOT to dislike her…if they would have known every aspect of the relationship, then they probably would not hav eliked her. Her reason for being in his life was not the reasons a women would be in a mans life…she was there only when he needed her there, he stretegically placed her in his life…”booty call” but when he was wanting to court other girls, she was dissed… she was ignored….he abandoned the thoughts of what he did…out of sight out of mind. kinda thing….men do this all the time…she followed him around, probably went in round about ways to find out where he would be and show up….she was getting ideas that he was seeing other women, her nightmare (thoughts of being rejected) were becoming reality. Most woemn react this way when they been lead on…him telling her what ever he is telling her to get what he needs at that moment only to see in reality he is displaying something else… affection for another women in a setting or enviroment she only dreams off….all of her romps were in secret or secluded and not around town….but he went out on the town and on the streets with girls he knew did his reputation good. Jody Arias didnt mind showing her affection to the world for this man….he however acted as if it bothered him a little…her reputation wasnt intact as his needed to be upheld. I AM positive she killed him, i am positive it was premeditated based on what evidence is there…, i think possibly she could have had help…i dont think she could have done this alone…how did she move him around if that theory is true….and i do thinkshe did it becasue she did not want anyone else to have what she thought was hers. BUT who helped …if that is the defense…who helped….if the defense is saying it was self defense and she did do all fo this in a rage becasue he was after her or whatever and she was capable of pulling all of this off by herself.. then why all the running around and trying to hide things…so i think she did it out of cold blood, she might have clearly had a right based on being used and the being a victim, but i dont think she was far enough down that road to claim that 100 percent…she was sporatic…sometimes she cared and sometimes she didnt….i think she had other men too keeping her occupied, and i think this guy was her #1 prize, the best pick of the choices she had, and he was toying with her….it made her very frustrated at times…and he knew this, he kept her at bay by her own frustration…i think she wanted him to stop messing with her and playing games.she wanted commitments, both of them knew that wouldnt happen, she knew she wasnt marriage material, she was his play toy, and i think she wanted to prove so badly she could be if he wanted her to be marriage material, she would have done anything for him…to have him…anything, she would have converted, she would have become whatever kind of religion he wanted her to be…she was ready to be at his disposal, and he knew he won when she was at his disposal sort of speak…..she grew very frustrated with every romp, getting closer and closer to pouncing and she finally went over the edge and pounced. If she could have played the cat and mouse game a little longer, she might could have had him…or things might have turned out differently…but with every victim, patience plays a role and i think jody become impatient because he was also entertaining other female friends and she knew she was running out of time to persuade him and convince him of her commitment to him.. when you are a victim and that has went on enough and you dont get help or get out of it and break the cycle– but you’re also a perpetrator of your intent and agenda….the cycle becomes more than vicious…it becomes a manifestation..you become a creature of motive and ill intent…you become motivated…you become your own destroyer–you self destruct– YES I THINK SHE DID THIs and it was premeditated. if she would have hurt him…that would have been a warning …. that would have showed acting in self defense.. there was no indications she was abused.. even if they did play tie me up to the bed post, she knew this and knew in advance that would be her opportunity, she knew there would be numerous opportunity to advance on him until he realized it wasnt the normal sexual playing that they experimented with….she was out of control and he realized he was in trouble by then it was too late..but i think some where she had help, somewhere during this whole thing she had help….or either she is a good manipulator and talked him into som eof these things we dont understand. like positions and places in the room and unexplained needs for certain stuff… like rope and knives and the showerr and the camera….so many elements to have to explain…very confusing…i think she banked on confusion to be some of the distorted elements.
N. Cahela says
March 8, 2013 at 12:47 am
Jodi said, instead of being sad or jealous when she found out Travis was interested in another women that he was maybe going to want to marry, it was actually bittersweet because even though they we’re not together, she was happy he had found love.
Oh really Jodi? You we’re happy he had found love? Then why did you try to ruin it by continuing to have sex with him?
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I think this testimony speaks against the battered woman stuff- a victim of domestic abuse has a ” traumatic bond” with the abuser and is most often dependant financially or they have kids etc. homicides related to domestic abuse have happened during a “period of separation”- meaning the ciouple was living apart at the time- but what every abuse victim has in common is that the FEAR of leaving the person was greater than staying involved. Arias is saying she was OKAY with the fact that they were not together ( except for sex), and also illustrating that Travis wasn’t coming after her physically, wasn’t threatening her if she ” left him”
I think that originally, Arias was going to base her whole self defense claim on the concept that Travis was a Pedo, and she was underthreat of death to keep that secret. But when the letters she presented as ” proof” were refused submission as evidence, she had to put the pedo thing on the back burner, as supplemental instead of the keep point the homicide hinged on. If all the garbled meandering answers show anything- it is that she has thought of a zillion ways to defend herself.
She had 2 years to come with something after the ninja story didn’t work.
And dont forget she worked for Pre Paid Legal. That maybe could ( emphasis maybe) made it easier for her to access case law that would give her ideas of how to “superimpose” a self defense strategy over the murder she committed.
I think it is mindblowing how much info we can get on the internet and she has shown many times just how computer savvy she was. She must have beased her belief that she could rep herself on SOMETHING besides her hubris as a narcissist…
Final point here-
I used to think that havingher on the stand wouldmake it harder for jurors to give her the DP. But I think that her testomony is showing that she is incapable of telling the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.. so the question is, can this person be rehabilitated into a useful citizen or not.
I wish she would just tell what really happened and throw herself at the mercy of the court, just cause I KNOW she did it, I beleive it was premeditated, but still cant put together HOW all that went down in the bathroom. The reality must be something so different that we aren’t even being given clues..
I think the gun is going to be the central question. Even if the robbery at her grandparents wasn’t so suspicious, Travis having an unregistered .25 is a big question. Even if Travis DID have a gun, would he have owned a .25? One of the jury questions was, “were the items stolen from your grandparents ever recovered?” so they’re wondering about the gun too. Also, one of them asked if she had to remove a safety lock from the gun and did she have any experience shooting? So they’re asking the obvious questions. So far I haven’t heard doubt about the gun that seems reasonable to me.
Cadillac, thanks for the information about whether having a gun in the house would be information an insurance company would want. LOL at the trampoline. I guess there are a lot of injuries from jumping on trampolines. Insurance companies should know!
Eloise says:
March 8, 2013 at 2:48 pm
ATG, I am with you that this trip was planned for some time. I do believe some money was obtained from each of the men she stopped along the way with, whether from the selling of goods or whatever. Then she made the banking deposits.
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OMG Eloise, That could explain the $800 deposit and maybe she was selling the stolen items from her grandparents??!!
I wonder if Matt McCartney has a police record.
Maybe Matt M. did the robbery for her and when she got to Monterey he gave her the money for the sold goods and the .25. I’m sorry to accuse this man without knowing much of anything about him, but he does seem to be an ominous figure in this story.
I think Jodi just showed up at Travis’s house too. It just seems right. It may have taken her by complete surprise that he was still up.
800 dollars? I must have missed that
It is hard to believe she had no help of any kind
There are so many men friends I can’t keep up with them
Thanks for posting my comments Blink. I know I’ve posted a lot this afternoon. I’m snowed in.
About the evidence in the case. All the details of the gas cans, the receipts, the gun, where Travis was standing, where she was… I don’t know, but I’ve been going over all these details for weeks now just like everyone else, and I’m finding that her web of a story is actually pretty tight. Yet her story just seems not credible in parts and overall it just doesn’t ring true!!
A Texas Grandfather, your version of her story seems MUCH more likely than her version even if her details fit together with forensics and everything else! I’m beginning to look at the forest instead of the trees.
She’s not honest with her emotions. For her to say she wasn’t jealous or hurt at all when Travis told her he might marry Mimi Hall just seems unbelievable! I don’t know if she’s lying to herself on something like that but I don’t think anyone in the world believes her.
The question about how she gets along with her parents was a very good one and her answer really affected me. The juror asked how she gets along with her parents now. I know that her father is very ill yet her mother is there in Mesa every day for this trial. I heard that her mother took a leave or quit her job to be there for Jodi. Her father, ill as he is, traveled all the way to Mesa for a whole week to be there for her. Her mother also traveled to Mesa back in 2008 to help Jodi pack and prepare for her move to Yreka. She and Jodi argued and Jodi asked her to leave. And Jodi said, in her answer to the juror question, that she doesn’t get along with her parents. She said she loves them, but that she and her mother rub each other the wrong way all day long and she and her father have a personality clash or something like that. I would just think that at this time in her life when she’s been in jail for 4 years and faces the death penalty that she would be relying on them and getting along with them. Also, Jodi killing a man must have broken their hearts. Up until these questions came up I thought she was very content in Yreka and healing her broken heart so why would she plan on going and killing Travis. It gives me the impression that Jodi doesn’t listen to anybody. Doesn’t trust anybody. And I get the feeling she doesn’t listen to her lawyers all the time either.
I’m sure the experts testimony that comes next will fit her story perfectly. But I think her story still won’t seem right.
Editing and grammar count!
If that was to me best of luck with that, lol. Ask around
B
@Bethechangeyouwannasee says:
March 8, 2013 at 2:57 pm
I say this, until you walk in a victims shoes at that moment, you do not know what you would do or how you will act…
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Thank you for your input. I did for 12 years so I am pretty sure about how I feel and why I have the opinions that I do. I am sorry for your friend. I am one of the lucky ones who escaped. My perspective is from one who lived through it – the control, the fear, the physical pain, the protection of my children. I spoke from my own opinion based on my own experiences. I know how I anticipated, expected, acted and reacted to my daily life for that period of time. Being married as long as your friend was, I suspect she was from a different generation which EXPECTED “stand by your man”. I did not. Please do not try to negate my own opinions on things you have not (apparently personally) experienced regarding this case as they are very strong on more than one level.
I stand by my belief that it is possible that JA suffered abuse in her childhood but I do not believe that continued into her early adult life. TA did NOT abuse her. Her actions compared to her words do not prove it to me and never will. This is coming from someone who EXPERIENCED it first hand in ways that I will never post on this site or any other.
Again, AJMOO
B- It was not directed towards you. My head hurts enough from Nurmi; run on sentences/paragraphs might drive me over the edge…
LOl. Deep cleansing breaths always never help me
B
denny says:
March 8, 2013 at 8:14 pm
B- It was not directed towards you. My head hurts enough from Nurmi; run on sentences/paragraphs might drive me over the edge…
LOl. Deep cleansing breaths always never help me
B
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It must be me. I’m snowed in and eating junk food. I must be on a sugar buzz, posting and posting and my grammar is falling apart. LOL Sorry.
Joan
I have said this over and over again, a sociopath does not live in the world the way normal people do. They think that all people are less smart and less aware of reality than they are. They constantly watch for things that they like and try to incorporate them into their made up reality. It could be a movie, a book, something on the internet or any other source of information.
If you catch them in their false reality and call them on it, they get angry and become combative verbally first and physically later if they are not getting their way. This is IMO exactly what drove Jodi to make the trip to Arizona to see Travis. She was going to give him one last opportunity to see things her way. If not, then she would physically destroy him.
She actually believed that she could do this a not get caught. She came very close to accomplishing her goal. I sometimes think these type of people do not experience fear as do most people. They have something in them that prevents them from having normal emotions.
If you listen to some of Jodi’s answers to the questions, she always says it was my goal or it was not my goal at that time. Sociopaths will go to great lengths to accomplish a goal that they choose.
Jodi’s goal at the present time is to accomplish the goal of “they will never convict me” expressed in one of her interviews. Failing that, she has as a secondary goal of not receiving the death penalty.
‘ask around’…:)
LOL
B
Someone posted on a facebook page that the Tessaro gas station in Salt Lake City has never been open during the hours of 1:00am – 6:00am and also included the phone number from the station to verify. The only option a person has during those hours is fuel purchases by credit/debit card made at the pump…IF this is true then she HAD to have 3 gas cans in SLC.
I am sure Juan also has records or documentation from Wal-Mart showing proof the can purchased in Salinas, CA was never returned
How can someone be so smart yet so completely stupid at the same time…
@Joan says: March 8 at 6:11 pm: “She’s not honest with her emotions. For her to say she wasn’t jealous or hurt at all when Travis told her he might marry Mimi Hall just seems unbelievable! I don’t know if she’s lying to herself on something like that but I don’t think anyone in the world believes her.”
How true Joan and there we see how obsessed she was in Travis because him sleeping with her and telling her at the same time he just found someone he would want to marry was also tactless from his side. At last at this point she should have left him for good but she didn’t. She was about to lose all , she had to give up all her dreams so i think at his point she thought for the first time
that she would rather kill him then to have to watch him marry another women! Only my opinion
Juan Martinez must be pressing the point about 3 gas cans in Salt Lake City for some significant reason (beyond demonstrating that she is still lying to the jury). What confuses me is why Jodi would stockpile gas in the trunk on her route home from Ryan Burns’ house. She wouldn’t have been trying to conceal her presence in Arizona at that point of the trip. She was well on her way back to Yreka, so why fill up the 3 cans? Could the third can allow her to distribute the gas to make each can lighter? A pint’s a pound the world around, making those cans weigh about 40 lbs. each. Not impossible to lug out of the trunk, but not easy either. Ten gallons divided three ways would bring the weight of each can down to about 26 lbs each, much more manageable. There’s also some reason why Jodi is lying about returning that third can, the same reason it matters to Martinez. She was adamant on the stand “I did NOT have 3 gas cans”; Walmart records refute her claim of returning it for a refund.
Another part of the picture is missing–Matt McCartney’s role. Martinez flashed part of the answer (why he hasn’t been called to the stand), that Matt admitted he would lie for Jodi if forced to testify. That brought a loud objection from Nurmi who seems to not want the Matt issue introduced.
Well I caught up on some reading here, since I was late coming into the group for this trial. (was here for c-word as newbie) My two cents on a couple of things. first re: why she moved the body back to the shower-IMO she did not expect the mess she created. I think she moved him there so she could clean up and I also think that she put him there so that it would take longer to find him, ie if a roommate came looking for him and just opened the bedroom door to peer in. He would have been spotted in the doorway of the bedroom/bathroom. I am thinking sha planned on leaving that whole bedroom/bathroom area as if she was not there and only ran out of time because roommate would be back soon.
My thoughts on why it matters if there are 2 or three gas cans. First she was caught in another lie, she thinks it matters, because she bought the can so she would not have to get gas in AZ. Why else would it matter. well I am not sure if anyone has checked the mileage from his house to Utah compared to the mpg’s of the rental car but she would need enought to get out of dodge to not have to get gas in AZ or maybe even to her new boyfriends house. Does anybody know the results if it was checked ie. distance from his house vs. mpg. of the rental car? How much gas would she need? Remember she already borrowed 2 cans so that would have been enough to overcome a crisis she claimed to be preparing for. So the purchase of the 3rd can so that it gave her enough gas to go undetected in AZ goes towards the premeditation.
Also in my reading some of the prior post, it is mentioned that she had socks over shoes? I know the pic at the crime scene that has her leg in it also shows her foot with a sock. Where did the sock over the shoe come from?
I know I missed a lot from getting in late in the game, not just here but also the trial itself. I stumbled upon it when she first took the stand.
Oh and her saying she was ok with him finding someone else. Yes that is another lie. She is certainly NOT going to tell the jury. Yes I was so hurt and depressed and broken hearted. Motive to kill given to them on a silver platter, not to mention appearing obsessed with him. Remember she thinks she is smarter than everyone else. Nothing she says is the truth.
from Ms “Around”.
I have come to see “their” trumps
“there” in evolutionary terms.
Harder to spell.
ROFTL. You are so dang witty.
B
Elizabeth
Your “pints a lb. the world around” is an approximation based on water. The actual weight of gasoline and other liquids is based on the specific gravity. Pilots have to weigh the fuel in airplanes in order to know the takeoff and landing weights so as not to stress the airframe. Aviation gasoline and other hydrocarbons are less than the weight of water. The nominal weight for gasoline is seven lbs. per gallon. A five gallon container of gasoline would weigh thirty-five lbs. plus the weight of the container. A steel “Jerry” can weighs about four lbs for the five gallon size. The plastic containers half as much.
We don’t know the size of the cans she borrowed. However, there were receipts for gas purchased so that had to be split between the containers. A small car with a small engine is capable of highway mileage up to 30 or more gallons on flat terrain and less on mountainous terrain. Most of Arizona is mountains except for the valleys where the cities are located. It is the same for Utah and some of California.
Maybe Arias’ dramatic change of hair and glasses was an attempt to resemble Mimi Hall. Another stab at reasonable doubt? Or, even post mortem, because that look was apparently more attractive to Travis, she thought it would work for her. I find the look downright creepy on her, esp the schoolgirl pony thing at 32 and greasy bangs.
I think JM knows the third gas can was necessary to get Arias all the way in and out of AZ undetected which speaks to pre-meditation. I’m sure he subpoenaed the WalMart records. She probably filled all three cans in SLC so that she could burn something(s) en route to CA. Not enough time between AZ and Utah… she was already late. Ryan would never search her car for evidence, she could wait and do that at 4:00 am on a desert sideroad. Rental guy said he smelled smoke. Why did the conversation stop at (what he thought was Kool-Aid stains)? That bothers me. Was the vehicle not impounded and tested for blood, or was that inadmissible?
Big catch was admitting to the jury that she didn’t want to tell Matt or Darrel she was going to see Travis… before she left CA… when she previously testified ad nauseam about a conversation in the wee hours in which Travis asked her to come to AZ.
Another catch was her answer to the jury on first day of questions… during rapid fire without much attorney prep for responses… that Napolean always barks when someone comes. Yet, she previously testified that Napolean did not notice her arrival. Really? Well, m’am… you planned this trip ahead… did you bring something to sedate the dog upon your arrival so that he would sleep through the murder?
I’m having JM withdrawals. He’s doing an excellent job and I cannot wait to see what comes next.
The suicide “attempt(s)” and letters. Dated November. And she testifed, “and such”. A cutesy remark about getting affairs in order first. And such! Pullease. Arias is such an offense to anyone that has ever suffered abuse and/or contemplated suicide. Loved it when JM argued, inadmissable… she’s still here.
pale rider says:
March 8, 2013 at 2:36 pm
“WOW, take a look at this pic of JA’s finger. See any crookedness???”
http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/03/07/photos-jodi-arias-demeanor-hand-gestures-jury-questions-nervous
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Double WOW!! JM should put this photo up for all to see in closing, particularly since she stated to the jury she is NOW telling the truth.
Mom3.0 said – Jodi perceives ill intent or abuse when there is none she overreacts, she over dramatizes…
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Mom, at first I thought JA had BPD, but now I’m convinced she’s closer to Narcissistic Personality Disorder with Histrionic traits.
She’s not, imo, a classic histrionic, but does harbor some traits.
One such trait – Display excessive but shallow emotions and attention-seeking behaviors. These individuals are constantly “performing” in order to gain attention.
She does, however, seem to be a model for narcissism. I’m not a psychiatrist/psychologist, so these are just my hypotheses.
I think there’s a huge disconnect between JA and her parents. If you’ve observed her mom in the courtroom, something’s off. Certainly not a medical evaluation, but she just seems odd to me. I think maybe that’s where JA’s problems started – a lack of bonding perhaps.
Saying that, though, you know you can raise several children in similar fashion, and they’ll all turn out differently. I think some spirits are wounded at birth.
I’m a mom of 3, too, and my kids are unique and all wonderful. They are practically perfect examples of the oldest, the middle, and the baby, in terms of their personalities. Not to say, THEY are perfect, lol!
Here’s a link that provides some NPD traits.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001930/
lyla says:
March 8, 2013 at 11:40 am
She looks frail and depressed. Do they watch the inmates closely in jail? Or would her narcissism prevent her from committing suicide?
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Very interesting question, Lyla! Suicide typically goes against the self-love of a narcissist.
Below is a link to a VERY good read on NPD.
http://samvak.tripod.com/narcissismmyths.html
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Regarding the third myth (that narcissists are prone to suicide, especially in the wake of a life crisis involving a grave narcissistic injury):
Narcissists very rarely commit suicide. They react with suicidal ideation and reactive psychoses to severe stress – but to commit suicide runs against the grain of narcissism. This is more of a Borderline (BPD) behavior. The differential diagnosis of NPD from BPD rests on the absence of attempted suicide and self-mutilation in NPD.
Somatic narcissists are a variation on the HPD (Histrionic Personality Disorder). They are seductive, provocative and obsessive-compulsive when it comes to their bodies, their sexual activities and their health (they are likely to be hypochondriacs as well).
Still, while I dispute the existence of a typical narcissist, I do accept that certain behavioural and character traits are common to all narcissists.
Pathological lying seems to be such a trait. Even the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) defines the Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD)with words such as “fantasy”, “grandiose” and “exploit”, which imply the usage of half-truths, inaccuracies and lies on a regular basis. Kernberg and others coined the term False Self not in vain.
A Texas Grandfather says:
March 8, 2013 at 12:27 am
I think this whole trip to see Travis was planned for a long time. We don’t know where Jodi got the money to pay for the car rental and the fuel to make the trip.
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Another great possible synopsis, ATG! A much better scenario than the one JA proffered.
BTW, I’m now gonna hve to look at a Bersa, based on your story!
We recently bought an AR-15 rifle, and we had to go through a background check. Strangely, we had a 3 day hold, and the gun shop proprietor asked if we were ex-military. Yes, we are. He said it had to do with our sevurit clearance.
I agree with the poster that said there’s more to the Matt story than is being said.
Jodi has absolutely no emotion for anyone but herself. And even that is odd…she won’t complete suicide, she is too in love with herself.
Nothing she has said makes a lick of sense. I can see the jury has a lot of the same questions we do.
Joan said – I do think her explanation is reasonable and I can’t figure out why her having three gas cans as opposed to two gas cans makes a difference. She’s already said she had two gas cans and she explained why.
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Joan, for me the significance is she lied about it, and she lied about returning the 3rd one to Walmart.
She didn’t want to show any footprint in AZ before, during, or after Travis’s murder, imo.
Did you see her and her attorneys’ faces when Mr. Martinez dropped that in court Thursday? It was a literal bombshell. How often has she been without a smartazz comeback?
Mr. Martinez’s cross Thursday removed the last bit of doubt I had. And I, too, believe there’s more to come next week.
He started to ask her if she was aware of MM’s statements in Jan 2013 concerning his seeing the alleged bruises to her neck, before nurmi objected. I’m positive now, MM turned on JA, and now says he never saw them – that JA asked him to lie for her.
JM finally figured out how to reign her in, as well, and the worst, for her, is yet to come.
Ummm, that’s supposed to be security clearance!
And Joan, I wish I was snowed in!!! We had a white Christmas, but that’s all. I really miss it since moving from Denver!
Twitch said – How can someone be so smart yet so completely stupid at the same time…
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IKR?? Because we’re all stupider?
ATG, you hit the proverbial nail on the head when you said JA is all about goals!!! Classic symptom!
I’m sorry for hogging the board again, but there are just so many great comments!
Survivor said – I stand by my belief that it is possible that JA suffered abuse in her childhood but I do not believe that continued into her early adult life. TA did NOT abuse her. Her actions compared to her words do not prove it to me and never will. This is coming from someone who EXPERIENCED it first hand in ways that I will never post on this site or any other.
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Amen, Survivor, and God Bless You!
Does anyone know what Mimi did when Travis didn’t show for the Cancun trip?
Pam @ 8:45 am -
You got that right! Jodi was most definitely NOT ok with Travis taking someone else to Cancun. In fact, since Jodi brought up the issue of Travis and she getting that “1,000 Places to See Before You Die” list … I bet Cancun was somewhere on that list ..and he was going to take someone else there.
Jodi then and there decided that that was going to happen over her dead body – and it didn’t happen because she killed Travis.
And A Texas Grandfather @9:50 pm -
As usual your comments are so on target and bring up certain information that neither the defense nor prosecutor are bringing in: sociopathy….Just like C-word – Jodi always is using another story to embellish and deflect. How many times has her story changed? (I wasn’t there – no I was there but the ninjas attacked us – …OK forensics have me there ..but THE FOG!) …
In any abusive relationship – the abused can’t seem to get away, and the abuser wants ultimate control….Jodi was NOT abused and she’s making a mockery of every other person who has been abused.
She was obsessed with Travis – and if she couldn’t have him – then no body was …and she killed him with a vengeance. Nine stab wounds in the back – as well as slitting someone’s throat to the point of decapitation – is NOT self defense.
Lastly – NO ONE gets cash from Wal-Mart without signing for it …. Can’t wait for Juan Martinez to bring an executive from Wal-Mart to testify to that fact!!!
I bet she was screaming something about the 1,000 places to see before you die (contemporaneous with) stabbing poor Travis.
M’am.
Yet, I do believe he was aware of her rage. As I recall, a friend of Travis’ testified that Travis was talking about a precautionary ritual.
Hi Joan good job-
it seems your post as sparked many to think and share that includes me-
REJoan says:
March 8, 2013 at 4:34 pm
As far as the gas cans go, I think she’s already explained that and I think her explanation is reasonable. She did say that she initially borrowed the gas cans to buy gas where it would be less expensive, but then when her destination changed and when she realized she’d be driving at night, she filled them up in Pasadena because she was afraid of driving through the desert and running out of gas, especially at night.
Is it reasonable to call an ex boyfriend you only talk to “occasionally” and havent seen in a LONG long while to hound him to borrow gas cans?
Is it reasonable to travel hundreds of miles to borrow these cans and then go to Walmart in yet another town to pick up an additional can on a whim?
She claimed she needed to borrow those cans because she wanted to save money both on the price of gas and the price of the cans
Yet she never worried about extra expenses… like driving WAY out of her way to rent a car “to save money” this trip would amount to her using up more gas… in turn costing her more money…
She claimed to be broke- and frugal a “coupon clipping” thrifty person, yet she bought starbucks over and over again on this trip and… even after admitting when she was broke earlier in her life, the starbucks purchases was the first thing she eliminated from her budget she bought them over and over and still she shelled out more money to visit a salon…
Most broke people would just clip/file their own nails and/or apply polish..
You:
She did say that she initially borrowed the gas cans to buy gas where it would be less expensive, but then when her destination changed and when she realized she’d be driving at night, she filled them up in Pasadena because she was afraid of driving through the desert and running out of gas, especially at night.
She only elaborated on the reasons when it was brought out how illogical it was as she saved no money…IMO again illustrating her pattern of a new lie when it benefits her.
When did her destination change? According to Darrell she had always planned to travel at night thru the desert to “visit friends in Arizona and Utah”-
so why drive miles and miles to borrow the cans? Why pay for gas in Cali? if she was so worried about driving at night and thru the desert and if she was so concerned with saving money and time why didnt she just buy 3 gas cans herself when she picked up that water from Costco, and then purchase CHEAPER gas in Arizona on her way to meet those friends…?
You:
She also brought water for that reason. You could die out there in the desert. She said she had done that before, and actually, Darryl supported that when he was on the stand. He said she had borrowed his gas cans on other occasions for that purpose. So this was her usual way, and I know that I was on a family trip through that stretch of desert once many years ago, and there were large signs on the highway letting you know that the gas station coming up would be the last one you would pass for hundreds of miles!
Joan it is reasonable to carry water and gas cans- you are a reasonable person. But you owned your gas cans or borrowed them from someone nearby right? You didnt hound an x for them who lives many miles away did you?
She had done that before? when? If she had done it before then she always returned them right?… that is the meaning of the word “borrowed” and after all Darrell was in possession of the cans so she had to have returned them after each previous “borrowing” right?
So how is traveling back to Monterrey to return gas cans she borrowed frugal wise and reasonable?? the return trip would have ALWAYS added MORE time MORE money and MORE milage= need for more gas and more money…………..
If she was so conscientious to saving money and being safe with extra water and extra gas when traveling at night thru desert states then Why didnt she invest in her OWN gas cans?
why didnt she have them on her move back to Yreka on her trips to Las Vegas or thru Arizona- thru cali etc? and if so conscientious, how is it that we are supposed to believe this woman who would be traveling alone at night thru the desert didnt have a fully charged phone and an extra phone charger and didnt buy a new one immediately? She didnt noo she just went mile after mile with no contact with no phone pinging just because her charger was lost under a seat? how safe and conscientious is that?
The funny thing is Joan that Jodi did end up needing that water and that extra gas- In the desert 100 of miles off the beaten path why? because she always knew she intended to drive out in the boondocks to dispose of the gun and the knife and clean herself/the car etc of all traces of the murder she had just committed-
You:
I do think her explanation is reasonable and I can’t figure out why her having three gas cans as opposed to two gas cans makes a difference.
because 3 cans enabled her to travel thru Arizona to Travis house without leaving any paper trial without showing up on any GS/store cameras- the extra gas allowed her to travel to the boondocks (the desert she was soooo afraid of being stranded in)
These cans go to premeditation because of that- they allowed her to not stop for gas in Arizona before or after the murder
She made her way to THAT desert that dump spot- the one she had always planned for…
to dispose of the evidence-
Claiming she was in a fog…never stopping for gas yet she thankfully “defogged” enough during the drive and recalled she had heeded the red stop lights…again giving explanation to why she was not picked up (either on traffic cams or by LE for running reds) during her “foggy” flight.
the gas cans are the reason she can claim she cant remember the murder the cleanup the ending up in desert all due to “The Fog” phew luckily she had those cans and that water- otherwise she would have just died out there after coming thru “The fog”
Comic relief ever time i type those words “The Fog” I imagine you all reading them like the character in Liar Liar when he mentions the game “The Claw”
Oh watch out Jodi its “The Fog”
You:
She’s already said she had two gas cans and she explained why. It’s having the extra gas cans at all that was in question. What difference does it make if it was two, three, or seven?
The difference is because it WAS three – not less not more 3 cans allowed her to accomplish the exact miles to travel thru Arizona each can allowed her to reach her planned destination undetected –
she planned this out
You:
I don’t know why Martinez is pressing the point. Am I missing something? I think it’s only complicating the information for the jurors.
I dont know if you are missing something or if i am seeing it correctly or not–but i do know it is important and not just because it proves she lied to the jurors …
& I am worried that this may be too complicated or drawn out for the jury if you and so many other very wise people are finding it hard to follow the logic of the importance the jury probably is too.
As for the receipts— why is it the only receipt that is missing from her gas purchases in SLC is for the one that goes to prove she bought more gas for third can?
and why is it after killing someone she had the presence of mind to worry about her taxes in JUNE (even though according to her she was just trying to prolonge the inevitable arrest or her suicide)
she went thru all of her receipts and got rid of any and all that would either put her in Arizona or put that 3rd gas can in her hand-
if she was keeping the receipts for tax purposes—- then why not keep receipts for the GS she claims she went to in Arizona? is the tax man supposed to believe she teleported from Pasadena to Utah at least some of those G/S would still be part of her business expenses…
You:
Also, the receipt says it was a kerosene container, not gasoline. She may have realized her mistake and returned it. I think kerosene containers are blue, and gasoline containers are red.
Good point Joan and maybe that is the answer to why she did not have her receipt marked and to why she STILL had a 3rd GC
perhaps she EXCHANGED the blue for another red..
Or maybe the truth is that she never returned it- and she never received cash back- because if she did- Walmart would either have the documentation or they would have come up short in their registers that day
You:
I also think her keeping receipts for the route to southern CA and then from Utah to Yreka but NOT for Mesa was a reasonable explanation. Blink said it over a month ago. Nurmi asked her, why keep receipts at all? For tax deductions because she would be attending a PPL event in Utah that she could deduct expenses for, but she couldn’t deduct expenses for a trip to Mesa.
Again Joan what was she supposed to teleport to Utah she was traveling thru Arizona to get to Utah- whether or not she made a stop at travis or not the gas would have been deductible not fraudulent–
otherwise the trip to matts and to darrells and Pasadena would have fell under the cant claim this as an expense – cuz i would never cheat on my taxes
—Sorry for the length Joan- I really enjoy bouncing ideas of you and I hoped i helped you gain a different perspective-
I hope the jurors are as thorough as we all all in scouring the evidence both circumstantial and concrete and trying to reach a reasonable verdict based on careful deliberations
AJMO Peace
@Lyla, yep, I hope JM knows of that finger pic and puts it to good use!
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Jnpgh said – in any abusive relationship – the abused can’t seem to get away, and the abuser wants ultimate control….Jodi was NOT abused and she’s making a mockery of every other person who has been abused.
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So right, Jnpgh, SHE was the abuser, NOT Travis!
Thank you and blessings back to you, Pale Rider!
Hunker down, y’all! Ugly weather headed our way in central Texas. Golfball size hail. Yikes!
Here’s a site that has morphed the face pic of Travis. They cut it in half then formed 2 separate pics by mirroring each half.
What I see is fear on the left one and anger on the right.
http://blog.eyesforlies.com/
pale rider says:
March 9, 2013 at 1:34 pm
JM finally figured out how to reign her in, as well, and the worst, for her, is yet to come.
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This would certainly explain why she threw MM under the bus in regards to not so legal guns.
Has anyone ever read 1,000 places to see before you die? I wonder what the last place is? That book was very significant to JA and Travis.
Driving from Mesa up Highway 17 to the Border of Utah is roughly 289 miles. The car she rented has approximately a 12 gallon gas tank. It would take a full tank of gas to make it from Mesa to Utah. Hense the need for 3 cans. Jodi’s denying having the 3 cans because it goes to premeditation. She didn’t want to be caught gassing up any where in Arizonia because she didn’t want anyone to know she was in Arizona when Travis was murdered.
@ lyla says:
March 9, 2013 at 11:58 am
That is a FABULOUS shot of the ‘alleged broken digit’.
I’m CERTAIN the jury knows it’s not broken. They’re close enough and by golly, they’re watching her! It’s most def a blip on their radar
@ Pale rider
Mimi went to Travis’ house the night before the Cancun trip because he wasn’t returning her phone calls. She was instrumental in finding Travis’ dead body because she rallied his friends and eventually his roommate because of her concern. She testified to this.
JR and Mom3.0,
Wow…do you guys know that movie, or what ?!?!
JR, i totally forgot about the long drawn out “grrreeeaaat” Lumbergh uses when i wrote my post. That definitely gives the full effect!
Mom3.0….omg…did you write Milton’s lines from memory?!?! I agree with you that both Milton and arias are dangerous “characters”.
I’m still catching up on some of the trial from this past week. Overall, I liked the jurors questions, but there was one that was bothersome. It was the one that asked something to the effect of ‘would you have told the truth if you were never arrested’. The question is written with the assumption that she is finally being truthful.
Now, I am not a body language expert, but, for what it’s worth, here is what i saw in her facial expressions when she respnded: She does not answer right away (actually she takes far too long to answer in my opinion)…The wheels in her head start spinning to come up with the “perfect” response…..then she realizes the QUESTION itself is perfect. (arias’ inner dialogue: ‘would i have told the truth if i were never arrested…hmmmm…..would i have told the truth…..the truth…….oh my gosh the truth….at least one of the jurors thinks that the story i’m telling now is the truth!!!….it doesn’t matter how i answer this question, so I’ll play it safe and ‘I don’t know, oooh but i better throw in the word ‘honestly’ for good measure’) .
In Juan we trust !!!
Oooops, above post should have read : So, I’ll play it safe and *say* “I don’t know…..
On a a lighter note, this is for Denny; A friend just sent me this:
Let’s eat, Grandma.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Commas save lives.