Jodi Arias Trial: In Her Own Words.. How I Killed Travis Alexander With HIS Gun and HIS Knife
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Phoenix, Arizona- In today’s highly anticipated morning testimony, Jodi Arias finally “gets there”.
After weeks of what can only be described as the dog ate my defense testimony led by Kirk Nurmi, Jodi Arias explains the events leading up to and during the murder of Travis Alexander.
Arias describes an irate and menacing Travis who bounds from the shower, causing her to drop his new camera and pouncing on her, knocking her to the wet tile floor.
“ A five year old can hold a camera better than you.” Arias stated Alexander screamed at her among other threatening expletives while she struggled to break free.
She then ran to the master bedroom closet and apparently using the Spiderman techniques she absorbed via osmosis from the alleged Valentines gift, retrieved a gun she claimed Travis owned over two feet out of her reach while he was sprinting behind her.
She pointed the gun at him, did not realize it went off and then Travis, still coming at her, stumbles to his knees on the now bloody tile beneath him. ( Editors Note: As I have always said, I believe the order of this injury is true and is important to the charges against her)
Enter gratuitous memory gap.
“I have no memory of stabbing him.” – Jodi Arias
Although Arias admits to having flash backs, she states she cannot remember any other details with the exception of her crouched in the bathroom covered in blood and drops a knife she believes was upstairs used by Travis to cut ropes he used to tie her up to the bed.
She did however, have the presence of mind to grab the ropes, the gun, apparently removes and loses her shoes and has no idea what happened to the knife she used to stab Alexander 29 times and slit his neck from ear to ear.
Next memory she is driving in the desert with the gun she alleges was Travis’s when she pitches it out the window at a random location, then puts the ropes in a dumpster behind a gas station and washes blood off her hands.
Pause for Arias innocuous driving babble and road scenery.
“Why didn’t you call 911 and tell them what happened?” Kirk Nurmi asks his sniffling but tearless client.
” …He attacked you, why did you feel You messed up pretty badly?”
“This time it was different, he had done it before and nothing happened, it was heightened.” Responded Arias.
While approaching a check point in Utah, she feels like she will be apprehended there.
Arias decided to do a “whole bunch of things” to cover up she was ever there.
So .. “I called his phone to leave a voice mail”. For nearly 16 minutes she says she tried numerous times to leave a cheery voice mail to ask as if she was not present in Alexander’s home.
“I just thought they would be listening to his voice mail, so I just thought it would throw the scent off for a while.”
– Jodi Arias
Yes, she actually said that on the stand. Defense Attorney Kirk Nurmi was observed writing a note to co-counsel Jennifer Wilmott to send an assistant out to Sam’s for an industrial size supply of Tums.
I made that part up. Testimony continues following jury lunch break.
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Everything one needs to know about Jodi Arias… right here.
JM: ‘You tried to be a good Mormon, didn’t you?’
JA: ‘I did my best to APPEAR that way.’
Ummm..just a note to the defense team…
I don’t think that making implications that the jury is too dim to understand a witness or that because the witness is a doctor obviously makes the witness smarter than a common juror is kind of insulting.
I get the point you were trying to make…but seriously, you need to think about the words that are coming out of your mouth before they come out…
On a positive note…just think we no longer have to hear Jodi spit out the 50cent words she learned in the prison library like “contemporaneous” and “discombobulated” or her made up words like “de-edify”
Twitch I am going to have to respectfully disagree with your critique of the defense. This motion inlimine on behalf of the prosecution should have occurred pre-trial. Martinez dropped the ball to not re-interview an expert almost 2 years later and should have expressed any vior dire concerns if he had any, then. This was a waste of the juries time the day before the weekend break, imo.
B
Pam,
Thanks for taking the time to explain that!
____________________
Mom3.0,
Just one more thing! I promise!
ME:
Also, I thought he said she had borrowed his gas cans before as though having extra gas cans is something she does usually when she goes on long trips.
YOU:
he may have said this on redirect joan but again when did this happen? if they lived so far apart is it really likely that JA borrowed his cans and traveled back thru the area to return them again and again..then made her way back home miles away? Each time she would have borrowed and returned it would have cost her more money more time and more milage…
ME:
It would have to have been when she was living in Palm Desert, Travis lived in Mesa, and Darryl lived only a few miles away from her. June 3rd would have been the only time that Jodi drove such a distance to borrow the gas cans. Prior to that, she didn’t live in Yreka. She lived in Mesa. She didn’t live in Mesa for a very long time. Before moving there and during the entire time she dated Travis and for awhile after that (while she continued to sleep with Travis) she lived in Palm Desert. She probably drove to Mesa from Palm Desert often. At that time, Darryl had moved out of her house but he didn’t move very far. Having been a couple for 4 years and having lived together, she and Darryl probably borrowed all sorts of things from each other. They had split up the household. Also, JA testified that bringing extra gas cans when traveling through the desert was something she and Darryl had come up with when they first moved to Palm Desert. It seemed wise to them and during the time they were a couple, they would bring extra gas cans on their trips. This is why I think this was just her usual way of doing things. There was nothing unusual in the June 4 trip except that she travelled so far to see Darryl (AND Matt) first, and then continued on from there, but she claims the purpose of the trip was to visit friends all over.
@B
I agree that it was a complete waste of time, I just take issue with the defense’s choice of wording regarding the juries intelligence or potential lack of intelligence.
I meant no harm!!
Ambush of Juan … by Wilmott & Nurmi today.
Dr Samuel – the psychologist that was due to testify earlier … Suddenly has NEW theories he wants to include in his defense of JA.
Of course he’s had to change/add new theories to the info he notified Juan about months & months ago.
JA has changed her lies so many times – whatever thesis this psychologist was going to go with has had to change to keep up with her lies.
Doesn’t surprise me that the defense would try to sneak this in.
(the psychologist’s PowerPoint was constructed yesterday or this morning).
The judge gave Juan about 2 hours to RE-interview Dr Samuels … Recess till then.
When they return, Juan will be able to argue his point more that this should not be allowed. (as I understood?)
I understand the judge is seeming to bend over backwards to avoid any appeal issues … But really?
The defendant is due a FAIR trial. Period.
How about the victim, Travis?
How can this NEW testimony be allowed in?
Blink said @ 2:18 pm
“Martinez dropped the ball to not re-interview an expert almost 2 years later and should have expressed any vior dire concerns if he had any, then”
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Help me understand …
This psychologist constructed his PowerPoint presentation of new theories either yesterday or this morning.
One of his sources is from a Time magazine article – from a month ago. (Jan 2013).
How could Juan have any clue this was going to be sprung on the prosecution today ?
It was not new, and his findings were exactly the same. He did not write the time article, he referenced it.
B
I see my previous post is still in moderation.
I would like to clarify my “blood vengeance” comment. I was simply stating, that in the eyes of JA and her defense team, the family (which has apparently requested the death penalty) and the prosecution are out for blood (revenge).
I do not question the moral integrity of the family’s desire for the DP. In the same situation, I might feel the same.
Jurors are putting questions in a basket for the Psychologist…Jodi looks terrible today.
Does anyone else (besides me) find the expert witness that testified today creepy? Sorry, but he just didn’t appeal to me. He didn’t seem like someone I would want to go behind closed doors with.
I know, I’m weird and everyone else probably sees him as a delightful man but 9 times out of 10 when I have a weird feeling about someone, it’s usually right.
Blink I cant remember if I cleared cache or not perhaps I had just been immersed in cold or hot water and I forgot, or maybe I had sex and forgot? anything could have happened to trigger my memory loss good or bad I wouldnt know because i forgot…
Ill try to remember for next time- but I cant promise because at any point in my high stressful life I may have “huge” memory gaps..
Oye.
Your not throwing water around the house to cover up your crimes I hope, lol
B
As Jodi is watching this expert speak, I wonder if she is sitting there thinking, “Wow,I’m so good, I’ve even got this expert fooled”. She already thinks that she is way smarter than JM and the detectives, you know she just eats it up when she thinks she is being validated by the expert. Why wouldn’t JM bring in an expert to show how the mind of a sociopath works?
Is she taking notes on her own expert?
Makes her look very controlling wrt to her case.
Her writing, writing distracts from her expert.
She should be sitting there staring at him with respect.
Does she not listen to Nurmi? Does he not coach her?
Is it just me? Listening to this doctor for the defense talking about stress and brain function. He used the example of a police officer being confronted with a perp pulling a gun on him and how the fight or flight mode kicks in. All I can picture is Travis’s reaction to Jodi either pulling the gun or knife on him.
Hoping maybe some on the jury are also picturing the same!
It’s been forever and a day since I have posted on here but I am a frequent reader. Love the insight all of you share!!!
I missed most of the afternoon proceedings- Ill catch up later.
here is the part that I did hear and which I did take note of:
The Doctor was asked about the emergence in water, hot or cold and whether the person would remember being put into the water –in other words, would the person suffering from this amnesia remember the trigger for the amnesia…
His answer was no they wouldnt remember…
So how is it that Jodi claims to remember the defining moment that sent her into amnesiaville
“EFing kill you Btch”– and if that wasnt the trigger and the sex was or the camera dropping was then how is it she remembers those points too?
and How can a person who is suffering from this memory fog make their way to a desert and regain their faculties but then immediately return to the fog on the trip OUT of the desert claiming not to remember where it is she drove BACK from to arrive at the hoover damn?
and how can a person in this fog cover their tracks at all? they wouldnt know what happened or how or when or why…
So her whole claim of self-defense, thereby could be a lie by her own doctors analysis-
She forgot she premeditated the murder she forgot the brutal attack she perpetrated,the specifics at least- and she forgot the clean-up- and the get away- because we all know planning and exuctuting and covering up a brutal murder is HIGHLY stressful
So she emerged from this memory fog only when the dirtiest work was complete….
is this testimony supposed to make us think she killed him in self defense and forgot?
hmm seems more likely she planned to kill him and the stress of the killing and cover-up led to her amnesia…thats if anyone actually believes she is suffering from amnesia as opposed to her coming up with a new and better lie to excuse her deliberate actions
Anyway, Thats my take away from the doctors testimony so far
AJMO
Peace
Eloise says:
March 13, 2013 at 8:32 pm
SOTT says:
March 13, 2013 at 7:14 pm
~ snip~
Oh, and really, she was eye level with that picture in the closet?!!? Seriously?!?! Is she 8 feet tall?!?!
- did you see Martinez smiling at her when she said that- he couldn’t hold back- she was so ridiculous!
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Eloise,
Oh yes i did !! It was priceless!!!! She can’t be re-called to the stand, can she? I can only imagine that she’ll come back and say that the picture in the crime scene photo of Travis’ closet is on a higher shelf than it usually is, so that’s what she meant when she said it’s at eye level because he always kept it on a lower shelf in the closet.
egad. I thought Expert was terrif despite his clumsy questioner until he mentioned the 2 inventories he administered. It is unbelieveable to me he’d diagnose her without much more formal psychological testing, which should’ve taken a couple days to do.
@Ragdoll. I understood your comment & thot I was concurring with you & elaborating some support.
People were just giving their parenting ideals w/o reflecting on your comments or mine I think.
just an independent conversation about discipline. be of good cheer!
@Rachael
I noted that Answer also
Tried to appear that way
I agree
Jodi was smiling at her council as they were walking out of the courtroom…twitter reporter in the courtroom says one of the jurors was yawning…
I don’t see how Martinez dropped the ball with the expert.How could Martinez anticipate that he would need to re-interview the psychologist, if he had already done so, and understood what the psychologist was going to speak to? Willmott acknowledged that Samuels presentation did in fact encompass a broader range than he had originally presented- she said this morning that the psych had only finsished the propsed presentation yesterday ( the power point thing that Martinez was npt informed of )
But I have another problem with this psych. ( ACTUALLY I HAVE A ZILLION PROBLEMS WITH HIM)
There is a standard test given by professionals who are looking for pathologies and VERACITY when dealing with criminals, and ALSO in custody cases.. (and Dr. Samuels referred to his experience in custody and criminal cases)
This test is called
The MMP 2 test, or Minnesota Multiphasic Personality test .It is a booklet of at least 300 questions, and the prder of the questions additionally serves to show veracity- like, for instance ( paraphrasing) on page two it will say ” Do you hate your mother” and then on page 29, it will ask ” who is your least favorite family member”.. It is considered a standard
It is interesting that the only tests that Samuels gave were for PTSD.
Samuels said that he first met with Arias in 2009, when she was still on the NInja story. He said he did not confrint her story for a year. He said ” Then Mr. Nurmi and I explained to her “, and Willmott CUT HIM OFF.
Willmott then said ” So, you eventually confronted her” and Samuels said yes.
It is so clear that Nurmi and Samuels educated Arias as to the symptoms ..
I would like to know WHEN EXACTLY, did Samuels and Nurmi come to the conclusion that Arias had PTSD, and WHEN did ARIAS become aware that her case would be presented with her as victim of PTSD.
I beiieve that Samuels and Nurmi gave Jodi the idea and she ran with it.
(There is a case of a ex military person getting off muser one because he was diagnosed as suffering PTSD from Iraq), the first one so far, so it is an emerging concept of defense)
the Jury asked Arias if she had ever seen a professional for her mental problems. SHE SAID NO.
Yet Samuels says he saw her 12 times.
And yea, the final thing, if she lied to him, it means nothing.
Wilmott was absolutely right to cut him off, he was about to discuss work product- grounds for a mistrial.
B
I wonder why the Defense decided they needed a power point just this morning?
a how much are they paying that crack pot psychologist
My favorite JM quote after talking about JA picking up a gun she knew was not loaded…”so, you were running, you went into the closet, you were being chased, you thought you were in grave danger, and you grabbed a gun that wasn’t loaded? What were you going to do…throw it at him?” lol
I do declare Mr. Martinez has become a BOC fan after all, lol.
B
LOL Blink –
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Hi Joan I am learning alot thru our convo so please dont feel bad for adding on more thoughts- i have read each of your posts- I didnt respond to the later ones, only because I already posted my comments which addressed those points- — I didnt want u to get sick of hearing from me
RE our convo
You:
Also, I thought he said she had borrowed his gas cans before as though having extra gas cans is something she does usually when she goes on long trips.
me
he may have said this on redirect joan but again when did this happen? if they lived so far apart is it really likely that JA borrowed his cans and traveled back thru the area to return them again and again..then made her way back home miles away? Each time she would have borrowed and returned it would have cost her more money more time and more mileage…
you:
It would have to have been when she was living in Palm Desert, Travis lived in Mesa, and Darryl lived only a few miles away from her. June 3rd would have been the only time that Jodi drove such a distance to borrow the gas cans. Prior to that, she didn’t live in Yreka. She lived in Mesa. She didn’t live in Mesa for a very long time. Before moving there and during the entire time she dated Travis and for awhile after that (while she continued to sleep with Travis) she lived in Palm Desert. She probably drove to Mesa from Palm Desert often. At that time, Darryl had moved out of her house but he didn’t move very far. Having been a couple for 4 years and having lived together, she and Darryl probably borrowed all sorts of things from each other. They had split up the household. Also, JA testified that bringing extra gas cans when traveling through the desert was something she and Darryl had come up with when they first moved to Palm Desert. It seemed wise to them and during the time they were a couple, they would bring extra gas cans on their trips. This is why I think this was just her usual way of doing things. There was nothing unusual in the June 4 trip except that she travelled so far to see Darryl (AND Matt) first, and then continued on from there, but she claims the purpose of the trip was to visit friends all over.
I went back and listened to Darrells testimony http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk5QUH9Dmuo
He NEVER said that she had borrowed the G/cans previously –
I know you werent sure about this, and it seems you were right to be iffy, as you may have his testimony confused with what JA herself said while on the stand- again seems to me that JA testimony is self serving — JMO
DB testimony included this info:
after feb 2007
he described their relationship as:
“nothing but an occasional phone call”… not romantic either, he “eventually learned she had left the house and moved to the Arizona area”
they “occasionally talked…”
“sporadic contact yes”
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heres the thing Joan- if Jodi’s testimony concerning the borrowing of the gas cans was true– That she borrowed them frequently for long trips…
then why is it that Darrell was so flabbergasted when she called him to borrow the cans?
Why is it that he even asked her why she needed them at all..if this was her “usual ” way of gearing up for travel?
why is it that he described her as “testy” via his interview with defense investigators?
why did he try to lessen her testiness by answering: “not necessarily testy”?
If the G/cans “borrowing” was always apart of their “sporatic occasional friendship” why is it that he was so reluctant to remember and answer the questions regarding these g/cans?
He was asked:
Did you receive a call in May? ummm I could have
Do you remember her asking for something…a favor? no
Do you recall her telling you she needed g/cans to go to
mesa Arizona ?…long pause whispered – yes
Do you Remember more than 1 call for g/c for a trip to mesa? whispered yes
remember the 1st part June, she called again for g/c?– ummm yes
In the 1st call do you remember asking why do you need these gas cans?/ I do
Did she get testy with you? not necessarily testy.. she said she needed them, she was taking a long trip
Do you remember a rep for the defense/ questioned you & you said she got testy when You asked why?
nooo
Do you remember she said she was planning on mesa/ getting lost?
No
Shown
…the depo and states it doesnt refresh his memory to testy or to mesa…
answers she said she wanted them for a long trip….
remember her coming to the house june 3rd for breakfast with you and your son? …food yes son yes around 7 am yes checked email yes
MM was there? nnoooo dont remember
was luggage seen? nooo
she left then called at 9/10 ? dont remember…
she returned? I dont recall that nooo
Remember her returning to bring a remote control ?ummmm yes i do remember that
Did you give her the gas cans? yes 2 red 5 gallon
Did she ever return the gas cans? no
Did you ever ask her to return them? I dont recall…
after June 4th did you receive a call where she was very agitated?
SHe was sad
hysterically upset?
iDK cant see/tell hysterical
very upset
Did she tell you she ran out of gas on her trip? yes
where? somewhere in the desert
On redirect DB was asked about the mesa trip:
What did Jodi tell you about her plans?
I believe she said she was going on a long trip – she mentioned big sur la Arizona…
Would it be accurate to say mesa or Arizona your recall?
she yes said Arizona, IDK mesa
So Joan after refreshing my memory I do not believe borrowing these gas cans was ever part of her “usual way”- otherwise there would be no need for Jodi to call several times to ask to borrow them, and there would have been no need for Darrell to even ask why she needed them, he would have just said yea no problem or no not this time… and there would have been no reason why she would get testy…
and if this was known by Nurmi why didnt re redirect/ask him about the g/c borrowing?
You wrote:
There was nothing unusual in the June 4 trip except that she travelled so far to see Darryl (AND Matt) first, and then continued on from there, but she claims the purpose of the trip was to visit friends all over
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I totally disagree it was unusual she claimed many things while on the stand contradicting herself and her own witnesses frequently- Her claims dont add up to the truth.
Joan thanks for cont the convo- I think the difference between our views come from your ability to believe she is telling the truth and at this point i am close to disregarding her testimony alltogether.
because she is a liar…
Can you help me understand how you and others may be willing to still believe her on this or any issue when she has lied so much and soo often?
AJMO
Peace
Dr. Samuels in appearance only looks like a long lost relative of Gus…
Blink I just read your comment about this info the powerpoint etc not being new and that Martinez dropped the ball
Shouldnt new info such as the articles etc have been presented to the prosecution for review before presentation?
the judge even said as much- n
I agree that most of the info in the power point was not new but the instrumental/reactive? homicide terminology was new and it seems the defense is trying to backdoor this info before the jury of the Dr. opinion of lack of premeditation
although Wil. says she wont go as far as to ask him his opinion on this case…
They are having an evidentary hearing on this matter and I do hope that this does not go before the jury
(the instrumental/premeditation stuff)
because the judge already ruled on that type of testimony…
Didnt she?
AJMO peace
One of the person JA cannot manipulate for sure in this trial is of course Mr. Martinez. He is Travis voice and he has all my sympathie. I wish him all the best for the remainder of this trial. What a man!
@ Rose says:
March 14, 2013 at 6:38 pm
I thank you for clearing up ‘my fog’ on your post. Great advice…be of good cheer. I’m gonna do it b/c the alternative is no fun!
xo
Love and respect~~~
Woman’s death sentence over turned in Arizona. One less woman on death row, AZ.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/14/justice/arizona-death-sentence-overturned/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Did anyone eolse hear the story that Nancy Grace’s producer told lsst night about Dr. Samuels? Supposedly, Dr. Samuels is not of good character (shocker). He was playing fast and loose with the truth with his patients and bartering his service out for free dental care. He received a huge fine. Perhaps that is why he quit his private practice – like he said, he was “over it”. They said his website states he will win your case for you. Methinks Dr Samuels is not a “stand-up” kind of guy.
I don’t know, I could be wrong. It’s all foggy but if these allegations are true, Martinez is going to rip him a new one on the stand.
It is absolutely true, I am still getting through moderating. BOC editor Jacqueline B sent it to me. He was sanctioned in 2000.
No idea wth this defense was thinking using him.
B
Morning-
You know, I have had this thought tossing around for awhile. I wonder if during JA’s younger years, there may have been some marital difficulties btwn her Mom & Dad. I say that as from time to time they has been some mentioned of strain there- like when it was mentioned her Dad would leave the skinny Mom pic on the fridge as a sort of dig or reminder to not enter as she is no longer that individual. I also would have to say, if asked, JA has a preference to her Dad over her Mom. But what I am getting at is this- what if Dad had actually been somewhat of a playboy?- not the doting father, husband? Causing stress and upset within the home, maybe causing Jodi to actually blame her mother for not having done all that she could have to keep her dad happy- or so she heard thru arguments? Could she have developed her over developed mistrust of men due to something related to her parental marriage issues?
It is just curious to me, that in her sociopathy- why this area is such a focus- something sparked it.
Really good observation and question for the group to ponder Eloise. She definitely has some root cause history of difficulty in relationships and poor coping skills of same. This for me- goes into the nurture v nature sociopath conversation and I strongly suspect both are in play here. I see some very flat affect and behavior on behalf of Sandy Arias. Jodi is very clearly detached and imo to not seem to connect with people and family in a normal way. These are serious signs.
I can only say that studying this type of profile has me feeling that without serious intervention at an early age ( let’s be honest, if they are in a type of environment where this behavior is going un-noticed or actually “fed” as it were, is that even possible?) the writing is on the wall.
Two things that will stay with me always in this case- The first is the picture of Travis’s face as he is sitting on the floor of the shower, and the second is the text he sent her that she was a sociopath and the worst thing that ever happened to him.
For me, he lifted the thin veil of secrecy Jodi thought she had about who she really was. He knew at the moment that he sat there with his face contorted in the visceral reaction I expect one has at the instant one knows he is about to die that she was going to erase him and thus erase that truth.
B
Mom3.0
On this one it is my personal opinion this does not rise to a change in finding or chief opinion.
I think the way to handle this witness concern is to use cross because there are other issues I am betting Martinez wants to address and/ or impeach with this PhD.
Blink, did I say something wrong on my post from 5:51 a.m.? It is still awaiting moderation. I just read the story on Huffington Post this morning so I assume that it is true. It states that Dr. Samuels was sanctioned in New Jersey because individuals complained he made a child custody recommendation without examining the mother and “bartered services with [an individual in the case] so that [they] received psychotherapeutic services from respondent in exchange for respondent receiving dental services” from them.
There is something hinky about this guy…..
Pammy, just responded. Is true, and in most states it is unethical and illegal to evaluate a patient for court purposes or his/her parents for fitness and then actually treat them in practice. He allegedly did that in conjunction with the “in kind” payments. He likely avoided a stronger sanction because there was no payments or insurance involvement directly.
It should be noted that the experts are paid for and coordinated by the public defenders office in this case. Did they decide now to help the client preserve ineffectiveness of counsel appeals?
B
Blink – you can delete if you like:
So this shrink has produced a theory that having sex can cause memory loss.
Does that mean (blink redacted)
Sorry – heard a psychologist say one time, “if you go looking for dirt, you will find dirt.”
Well you are not going to hire someone that is not going to help your case.
B
Hearing those texts from Travis (re: evil sociopath), knowing that he would go back, and ultimately lose his life, was the most heartbreaking part of this case for me, so far.
Her response to it, in court, blew my tiny little mind. ‘How did that make you feel?’ ‘It made me feel yukky’
She’s some piece of work.
I am particularly interested in the aspects of this Dr. Samuel’s testimony as they relate to Jodi’s past that we do not know.
B
If this has been posted previously, I apologize.
What was the date of the text/phone call/e-mail in May when Travis told her she was the worst thing that had ever happened to him (paraphrasing)? What was the date of the “burglary” at her grandparents home? Were these events contemporaneous (to use Jodi’s 50-cent words)? Wouldn’t that prove premeditation if these 2 events were around the same time?
I truly believe she went there with the full intention of killing him.
May 26- text
Burglary- May 28 (note pretty raunchy exchanges between the 2 this day as well)
No, no and no.
Under the law premeditation could be seconds. It is the time elapsed where the person has the ability to know that the actions they are leveraging will likely or could result in the death of the victim. In theory and in some statutes, it is really a similar standard to the insanity or mental health defense in that the subject would need to not be able to distinguish between right and wrong in terms of capacity in those moments in question.
I know everyone thinks in total this case has proven pre-meditation. It is very important we contemplate the legal definition as it relates to the charges. As an example, she could have planned this thing to the nth. Having an intimate afternoon took that off the table unless it can be proven that those acts were “in the commission of”. You can’t get there. Lying in wait is not the same as lying around with your bum in the air for pics.
This is why I was so miffed about the state trying to hammer home the “bullet last theory.” For me, it is way easier to get to pre-meditation if that is true and it can be used as the basis for felony murder, which will ultimately have the same possibility for a capital sentence.
In other words- she shot him, did not kill him, and continued to attack him so aggravated assault is a felony crime in the first degree here, followed by murder. Being adamant that the gun was used last to support the F6 rule on cruelty so the crime becomes a death penalty case was not worth the risk of confusing jurors, and definitely not worth the risk of Arias successfully defending it in the event that Nurmi brought on any heavy hitter forensics experts. If he had, as you heard me say numerous times in this case, as charged this is a defensible case- no matter what my personal feelings are. It should be clear that this jury is engaged and analytical.
Who is going to believe that it only changed it’s order of events prior to the pretrial hearings required for capital cases?
I pray that overcharging this defendant in terms of what the state can prove beyond a reasonable doubt does not bite them in the ass.
There is a huge hole in how this goes down to ultimately what is a heinous and tortuous death that even as a person qualified to assess the overall scene (me) cannot reconcile conclusively. How is a jury to do that while following the charges of the court, ultimately?
Way harder than it looks.
B
I wasn’t able to watch testimony yesterday, but I just saw a blurb of it on HP that interested me. Dr. S. said that her inability to tell her family what she had done was a symptom of acute stress disorder.
How does that reconcile to her testimony that she was aware that she was avoiding consequence?
It’s slow at work today, and apparently I am taking that out on this board, lol…
Something just out at me while she was answering jurors question, about the nature of her ‘fog’. She said something along the lines that she couldn’t remember words, or specific actions, but that she was always aware of how she felt. This contradicts (I know, shocker!) her prior testimony. If my memory serves, she was asked how she felt when she was stabbing Travis. She didn’t recall, as she was in the FOG. I think there were several other questions about how she FELT at certain times, where she used her fog as an excuse as well.
Her response to the jurors was glaring, and I have been wondering why JM didn’t pounce on that. Do you think he will hang onto it for rebuttal, or part of closing arguments? I hope and pray he doesn’t just let that slide.
@Twitch
March 15, 2013 at 1:12 am
“Dr. Samuels in appearance only looks like a long lost relative of Gus…”
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LMAO……I thought it was Gus…
Wilmott was absolutely right to cut him off, he was about to discuss work product- grounds for a mistrial.
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Blink,
Thanks so much for explaining- it was weird to me that Wilmmott was so quick to stop Samuels testimony there- but dummy me, I dont know what ” work product” means – can you explain further?
Thanks!
Did Nurmi actually turn his body to watch juror reaction yesterday? JA and counsel look like cats that swallowed canaries, so sure that DrS is their ace in the hole. I don’t think I can stand to hear “Let’s talk about…” in that cutesy tone once more. DrS must be related to Searcy. Same creep factor. Almost all of his testimony is glaringly structured around Arias’ lies and his blatant will to drive her psychological issues home. That, “contemporaneous” with defense actions and reactions culminates in a display of over-confidence. With all due respect and attempt at non-bias here, I feel that Samuels appears less as an expert and more as a hired whore who should stop the wrap and just accept his balding.
None of this testimony negates the pre-meditation factors. Most glaring to me at this point is DB testimony that Arias claimed she was taking a trip to Mesa. Yet, she testified that was not her intent and that she detoured after speaking with Travis, and at his urging. To Mesa with borrowed gas cans, a stolen gun, hair color change, in a nondescript rental car, maintaining zero detection (receipts and cell service) in/out of AZ, S/P receipt of a text claiming she is a sociopath within days before the man she covets and stalks is to depart on a trip to Cancun with another woman.
Ok- educate me- bc i see this>
Under the law premeditation could be seconds. It is the time elapsed where the person has the ability to know that the actions they are leveraging will likely or could result in the death of the victim.(B)
as in the case the State is presenting as stab # 2-26, neck slash and shot- as all opportunities of that one sentence alone never mind anything else she did EVER in relation to this event.
Hearing that was set for today (no jury) concerning the psychologists testimony has been postponed until Monday.
This trial is endless in delays.
BREAKING: No hearing today. Rescheduled for Monday at 10:15am. One of the attorneys had a death in the family.
Oh now this is fun!
http://video.foxnews.com/v/2228330829001/accused-murderer-jodi-arias-bizarre-behavior-caught-on-tape
So far as I am aware there is no evidence Travis owned a gun. If the jury believes that, it would be a presumption that Jodi either took the gun (stole) from her grandparents house or purchased/obtained a gun before she went to see Travis on June 4th. The fact is she did have a gun and did shoot him on June 4th. If it is true Travis did not have a gun June 4th in his home wouldn’t that go to premediation?
Can somebody help me understand?! According to http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/antisocial-personality-disorder/DS00829/DSECTION=symptoms
snippet
Antisocial personality disorder symptoms may include:
Disregard for right and wrong
Persistent lying or deceit
Using charm or wit to manipulate others
Recurring difficulties with the law
Repeatedly violating the rights of others
Child abuse or neglect
Intimidation of others
Aggressive or violent behavior
Lack of remorse about harming others
Impulsive behavior
Agitation
Poor or abusive relationships
Irresponsible work behavior
If sociopaths have (1) a lack of remorse in harming others and (2) aggressive or violent behavior, how is it that one could suffer from PTSD? Is an act of murder traumatic for one who has a lack of remorse?
I realize there is no certain diagnosis of JA but if there is and we don’t know about it yet, would JM be able to use that to undermine any “finding” or “diagnosis” of PTSD resulting in amnesia?
Video of Arias in the interrogation room, singing and doing a headstand.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/15/jodi-arias-caught-on-tape-singing-performing-headstand-minutes-before-murder/
She sings “Here with Me” by Dido. Here you can listen and view lyrics: VERY telling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g20Pr_fQyzg
Some lyrics: “I don’t want to call my friends for they might wake me from this dream. And I can’t leave this bed, risk forgetting all that’s been. Oh I am what I am, I do what I want, but I can’t hide. I won’t go, I won’t sleep and I can’t breathe until you’re resting here with me”.
Does Arias believe that Travis is now “resting here with me (her)”?
I love u guys but you are not hearing me. There could be 50 .25 guns missing from Redding to Mesa from locations showing CCTV footage of arias.
That is not evidence of anything if you can’t tie it to the murder weapon which cannot happen.
The jury can consider testimony but not assume facts not in evidence.
We can all believe that she planned this or not, for the jury to consider 1st degree they must conclude the legal instruction on premed by the court.
Eloise I do not understand your question. Arias is claiming self defense or justifiable homicide