Jodi Arias Trial: In Her Own Words.. How I Killed Travis Alexander With HIS Gun and HIS Knife
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Phoenix, Arizona- In today’s highly anticipated morning testimony, Jodi Arias finally “gets there”.
After weeks of what can only be described as the dog ate my defense testimony led by Kirk Nurmi, Jodi Arias explains the events leading up to and during the murder of Travis Alexander.
Arias describes an irate and menacing Travis who bounds from the shower, causing her to drop his new camera and pouncing on her, knocking her to the wet tile floor.
“ A five year old can hold a camera better than you.” Arias stated Alexander screamed at her among other threatening expletives while she struggled to break free.
She then ran to the master bedroom closet and apparently using the Spiderman techniques she absorbed via osmosis from the alleged Valentines gift, retrieved a gun she claimed Travis owned over two feet out of her reach while he was sprinting behind her.
She pointed the gun at him, did not realize it went off and then Travis, still coming at her, stumbles to his knees on the now bloody tile beneath him. ( Editors Note: As I have always said, I believe the order of this injury is true and is important to the charges against her)
Enter gratuitous memory gap.
“I have no memory of stabbing him.” – Jodi Arias
Although Arias admits to having flash backs, she states she cannot remember any other details with the exception of her crouched in the bathroom covered in blood and drops a knife she believes was upstairs used by Travis to cut ropes he used to tie her up to the bed.
She did however, have the presence of mind to grab the ropes, the gun, apparently removes and loses her shoes and has no idea what happened to the knife she used to stab Alexander 29 times and slit his neck from ear to ear.
Next memory she is driving in the desert with the gun she alleges was Travis’s when she pitches it out the window at a random location, then puts the ropes in a dumpster behind a gas station and washes blood off her hands.
Pause for Arias innocuous driving babble and road scenery.
“Why didn’t you call 911 and tell them what happened?” Kirk Nurmi asks his sniffling but tearless client.
” …He attacked you, why did you feel You messed up pretty badly?”
“This time it was different, he had done it before and nothing happened, it was heightened.” Responded Arias.
While approaching a check point in Utah, she feels like she will be apprehended there.
Arias decided to do a “whole bunch of things” to cover up she was ever there.
So .. “I called his phone to leave a voice mail”. For nearly 16 minutes she says she tried numerous times to leave a cheery voice mail to ask as if she was not present in Alexander’s home.
“I just thought they would be listening to his voice mail, so I just thought it would throw the scent off for a while.”
– Jodi Arias
Yes, she actually said that on the stand. Defense Attorney Kirk Nurmi was observed writing a note to co-counsel Jennifer Wilmott to send an assistant out to Sam’s for an industrial size supply of Tums.
I made that part up. Testimony continues following jury lunch break.
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@Christina Stoy
“I love u guys but you are not hearing me. There could be 50 .25 guns missing from Redding to Mesa from locations showing CCTV footage of arias.
That is not evidence of anything if you can’t tie it to the murder weapon which cannot happen.
The jury can consider testimony but not assume facts not in evidence.
We can all believe that she planned this or not, for the jury to consider 1st degree they must conclude the legal instruction on premed by the court.
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What is the legal instruction of premed by the court or have they already explained it to the jury?
It will be explained when the Judge charges the jury (reads indictments in full/instructions) but they will mirror the legal definition in statute for the most part.
B
Eloise
You raise a very important point regarding the family life in Jodi’s early and formative years. In pondering this issue, there is the possibility that Jodi’s mother was not ready to have children and that Jodi was unable to bond with her or the father. We have little detail of this part of Jodi’s life.
We cannot be certain that the photo on the fridge was placed by the father. It could have been put there by her mother. Most men would not even think of such a thing as it would be improper conduct.
We also have to look at Jodi’s mother and aunt, a twin of the mother. These women have such a similar appearance that one would be hard pressed to identify which was the mother and which was the aunt.
Mothers and fathers who are not thoughtful about argument and do so in front of their children, are teaching bad behavior to the children. Parents lashing out towards one another often without logic allows children to learn that anger is ok and it is ok to be ugly towards another.
I see Blink is on the same page as me regarding the source of sociopathic behavior. Is it prewired or learned or both? Since there are two variables, we can have all three possibilities. Individual or combined.
I am not very impressed with the expert testimony about the examination of Jodi. Taking a test or two might indicate some areas of problem, but how are they probed to come to a medical opinion?
~ Ragdoll says:March 15, 2013 at 4:29 amWoman’s death sentence over turned in Arizona. One less woman on death row, AZ.http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/14/justice/arizona-death-sentence-overturned/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Ragdoll i spoke with Debbies mom twice as she lived in switzerland and after reading the book her mom wrote. I was never convinced about Debra’s gilt and wrote letters asking for a retrial. I am happy at least that this woman will not get DP.
My impression of newly released (and why?) JA tape.
It’s said she’d just been arrested from her Yreka home (inference
imo = access to & use of substance prior to arrest).
She strikes me as a “young adult (maybe) chronic dual dx” of
a substance (my guess pot) & a psychotic disorder (my guess
schizophrenic family) just from this tape. Despite his Mormon
tenets, I have asked a few times if TA used substances due to
his tape sound.
What evidence does the prosecution have to substantiate charging Jodi with premeditated murder?
To me, the explanation of memory deficits & flat affect being schizophrenia
merited a psyciatric workup coupled with neuropsych testing to rule out organic & if
This psychologist didn’t suggest that, if he saw that Ykerks jail tape , he’s a shill
sciz Rose? I have not seen anything resembling that- no delusions I am aware of either- but I trust your insight if I missed something
B
Now they show Jodi doing a head stand worried about makeup and singing Jden has posted the links
This woman is just nutty as far as I can see
Why spend so much time on her
She probably planned to get Travis to take her to Cancun or die
He was done with her and said so
She was in a rage
This is what I see
She is smart and very dangerous and could repeat next time she meets a man
Hope the jury gets it
Yes and her justification went out the door in my above comment-lol.
Rose- don’t you think that was all for show? She was promptly arrested afterwards. two minutes before she was boo-hooing. My un-psychiatric
background calls BS on her-lol!
I wonder if they didn’t test and DX her and she has demanded the public be unaware? Can she do that per hippa?
@Malty says:
March 15, 2013 at 3:50 pm
“Now they show Jodi doing a head stand worried about makeup and singing Jden has posted the links
This woman is just nutty as far as I can see
Why spend so much time on her
She probably planned to get Travis to take her to Cancun or die
He was done with her and said so
She was in a rage
This is what I see
She is smart and very dangerous and could repeat next time she meets a man
Hope the jury gets it”
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Malty, I think she knew she was being taped.
Blink says: (snipped) This for me- goes into the nurture v nature sociopath conversation and I strongly suspect both are in play here. I see some very flat affect and behavior on behalf of Sandy Arias. Jodi is very clearly detached and imo to not seem to connect with people and family in a normal way. These are serious signs. (snipped)
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So, I googled ‘nurture vs nature sociopath’ and end up spending an hour and a half on sociopathworld.com. Enlightening fo’ sho.
The dead stare, fake demeanor, inability to hold down a job, lack of relationship with family members, apathetic/bored when with Travis’ friends, manipulative, making the choice to ‘appear’ as a Mormon, etc… sociopaths are easily bored, they act and pretend, find pleasure in manipulating others, and only choose to be in relationships from which they will gain in some way.
Oh, and interestingly enough the sociopaths posting on that site mention a preference for a*** or doggystyle sex. Something about not having to look at their partner’s face.
Without any type of psyche testing one cannot say for sure but could easily surmise Jodi is a sociopath and for obvious reasons one could add ‘with violent tendencies’.
To that point and not just to armchair analyze the defendant, the evidence still needs to show that Jodi planned the murder of Travis or she will walk in a decade.
I personally do not believe the Phd Psyche witness has helped. Psychiatry fascinates me but all I heard from him was ‘blah blah blah’. What he was stating simply did not seem to apply to Jodi or this case specifically so I eventually just tuned him out, particularly because what he said also resembled nonsense to a certain degree.
Jose has done fairly well but the information is not orderly yet which may translate to questionable to some of the jurors. He’s going to need to present it tidily so it makes sense to them. Showing the shelf could not hold Jodi’s weight could aid in proving that she had to have brought the gun with her as the jurists could ‘almost’ rule out that the gun came from the home of Travis Alexander based on her own testimony.
Also, socks on her feet over her shoes? That’s pretty telling in terms of premed.
Thank you for all of the information and sharing your knowledge Blink. It’s kept my mind grounded through the process.
Just fyi the sock over shoes is my theory. It was not introduced. It is possible she went downstairs and came back, imo. If it could be proven that put socks over her shoes prior to her fake photo-shower shoot, if I were a juror, It would hold terrific weight for me.
B
@Blink. re the “new tape” just after arrest.
Have seen pretty much that behavior replicated on an
inpatient ward with newly admitted young adult chronic schizophrenics,
virtually all on marijuana at the time of that behavior. Just my
instinct. would explain memory, affect, & ninjas.
I know pot use is not in evidence,
but I’d love to see her family under oath about past use. Would
explain high school amotivation as well.
lyla says:
What evidence does the prosecution have to substantiate charging Jodi with premeditated murder?
Well, it looks like the evidence is circumstantial-they know from that she killed him, that there was no one else there, that a 25caliber gun was used, and on and on and on, with lots of ” little ” facts , that they are presenting as CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, asking the jury to deduce that Arias is guilty. Defense’s job is to refute that with other reasonable explanations that will make jury beleive she is only guilty of self defense.
here is a link to a definition of circumstantial evidence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstantial_evidence
A little criminal history on the fog doctor.
http://tinyurl.com/aovbb79
I clicked ‘submit’ to soon.
Mmmmk. So the good doc has a bit of a shady way to practice his craft. Unheard of.
JMPO, but I believe HE introduced Jodi to the concept of ‘fog’ b/c it wasn’t a genuine blackout or amnesia. So, he created a special ‘state’ just for her. They both talked about ‘the fog’ like it’s a generally accepted term of being disconnected from the moment. Bullshevik! Anyone got a DSM V handy?
Also, did we not learn from Anthony’s case, that if you’re going to be a credible expert witness, you need to reference articles recognized by your peers? I don’t recall TIME magazine being referred to as a medical or mental health journal. Just sayin.
Also, on Dr. Drew last night….. He has 2 of his own jurors attending the trial. One of them indicated that Doc was overheard saying (not in the court room) ‘this will be great for my book’ . It was hearsay, and I believe it was someone else (attending the trial) who overheard the comment and not the actual Dr. Drew juror.
*smh* and AMHO
…and and AND! In the 4.5 years Jodi has been incarcerated, the dr. has only seen her a grand total of 12 times. According to Dr. Drew, there’s been no evaluations tests done on her to collect ‘data’. I’ve done these tests myself. Some were rather small and generic. One took me 2 hours to complete. These tests can help professionals make an informed diagnosis. They also can determine ‘deception’. Perhaps it was intentional these tests were never administered to Jodocchio.
Things that make you go….for the love of PETE!
I can’t stand it. I have to say it…
The pic of Dr. Richard Samuels (see link I posted) makes him look like that guy from Princess Bride….. INCONCEIVABLE!
Website for Dr. Richard M. Samuels, Ph.D., FACCS, ABPP
http://svpexpertwitness.com/evaluations.asp
-snipped
Working closely with public defenders and private attorneys, he will determine the facts of the case and any special circumstances and mitigating factors involving the trial process.
-unsnipped (heh….irreversible vasectomy anyone?) Anyways…..
Who needs an attorney when you have Samuels; world renowned psychologist and gifted, non-judicially educated adviser who specializes in determining mitigating factors n crap, all rolled up into one chump. Acclaimed author of ‘The Fog; Why It was Self Defense and Other Non Sense.
Dr. Samuels emphasizes Arias’ diary as a key factor in his diagnosis of Jodi. He said that in all her writings she is passive, not violent, that nothing in her diary was negative etc.
But on direct, Arias said that she PURPOSELY left out anything bad about Travis when writing in her diary.
So, if the validity of the diary is so great as to influence Samuels opinion that Arias is not violent because there was nothing negative in her diaries, why cant the prosecution treat the diary with the same reverence that Samuels is?
Why can’t the prosecution say, hey nothing bad about Travis in the diary, so therefore he was not a bad guy….??
I believe that nit-wit “Doctor” coached JA in how to testify…He used so many of the terms that JA used during her testimony. The fog, not able to remember,and so many other tips. Yep she was coached. Can’t wait for JM to get his turn.
Thanks for the link Loni
This young mother made a mistake of letting her young son go off with two men one of whom she had little or no knowledge of his behavior.
The cop was dirty and the state did not protect the citizen from these dirty tactics. He should have to serve as many days as has she in prison.
@ Löni says:
March 15, 2013 at 2:33 pm
Hello friendy!
@ ATG
Hello BOC grandfather!
I read the story and again, bad judgement leads to the death of a precious child. All too familiar story
I agree with ATG. She may not have had a hand in his murder but I don’t understand how she could allow her son to be in the company of a complete stranger.. What’s happened to maternal wild cat mother instincts these days?
B, I posted a second comment to Rose, that’s not showing up. It was in moderation but seems to have evaporated. I’ve had that happen a few times. I never brought it up since it’s probably out of your control. Now I’m thinking that since you’ve had problems on your site, I should let you know.
danke schoen
It be there thee
B
Never mind. Either I’m blind or it magically manifested within the past minute. Sorry to be a bother.
When the defense paraded Gus Searcy and now Dr. Fog across the stand I heard Send In The Clowns playing in the background. …..
@Lyla
Agree
I think she loves being taped or having pics taken or being in the witness stand
I see her as an attention hog really
But she did kill Travis
And has tried to say all sorts of things about him in front of his family
It is pretty hard to excuse all this damage
She has done
I watched the video of Jodi today doing the headstand and talking to herself. IMO she is doing that to establish that she is ‘off’…maybe to use as a defense if she thinks she needs it. What’s scary is that she can laugh after begin interrogated and have zero emotion about it all. Listening throughout this trial though scares me. The day she killed someone she drove to another guys house and made out with him; acting like everything was normal. Then, she planned a camping trip with a group of guys. Just another day for Jodi…kill someone today, go camping tomorrow.
Amnesia and ‘fog’ …yeah…that’s their inside joke for “we’re going to blow smoke up their a** and they’re going to go for it”.
You can clearly tell that Jodi’s been coached by her Psych guy as well as her male attorney. She uses the terminology she’s heard from him repeated over and over again. Remember the Dr’s web site that says “I win cases for you”? Well, this is how he wins them…he gives you a diagnosis and says “now, with this diagnosis, this is what I would expect to see…” (here, write this down Jodi and study it…and tells her attorney – in front of her of course) ” you might want to get some books on XYZ subject and study them so you know what Im talking about (wink wink)”.
Sickening. I hope JM uses his criminal record against him. Letting him talk and talk about this and that, bla bla boa…and then “oh, by the way Dr…weren’t you found guilty of a crime and fined by the courts for ‘LYING’”? No more questions…
My guess about why JM chose not to bring up Jodi doing her headstand and talking to herself? Well, she might convince a juror she is crazy and get off. Defense doesnt want it because it could blow up in their face and look like she’s the psycho killer that she really is. So both of them avoided it like the plague.
My famous quote today is “so Jodi, were you concerned about messing up the closet as you were looking for the gun?” Did you clean and organize the closet after you got the gun? No? Well, let me ask you this…did you know the shelf you put your full body weight on only holds a maximum weight of 20 pounds? (which means dumb shi* that the shelf you say you climbed on would have flipped all the shoes into the floor and the shelf would have fallen out of place. Oh? what’s that you say? You didn’t “think that through”? Oh my…
Malty says:
March 15, 2013 at 11:01 pm
@Lyla
Agree
I think she loves being taped or having pics taken or being in the witness stand
I see her as an attention hog really
But she did kill Travis
And has tried to say all sorts of things about him in front of his family
It is pretty hard to excuse all this damage
She has done
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Malty, there is no excuse. So many victims, Jodi being one. I do not envy the jurors and the decisions they have to make. Whatever outcome I cannot find peace and justice for all involved. My gratitude for all comments on this blog…
Deep gratitude, m’lady, Miss B.
Can’t seem to turn off the mind machines. I’m all freaked out that Patrick Chan won the Men’s World Figure Skating title. I used to be a competitive figure skater, myself. Going to bed right after wasn’t a great idea, since the adrenaline was still rushing @ mach 3 or so.
A question for my wise Blinkies…or a theory, if you will.
Jodi goes off to AZ, gun in tote, to stop in on Travis for the purpose of talking or ‘sexing’ him into taking her to Cancun. She had to be absolutely miffed that she was shunned for the trip. She’ll give him one last chance to make it right. Conversation about the trip is brought up by Jodocchio after the KY fest. Travis NEEDS to deny her, especially since he’s already promised to take another girl. Moments later, Travis’ life is hacked and bled out of him.
The knife was brought up to the bedroom, without Travis’ knowledge AND in case she can’t get to her gun. Everything had a place, even though the after math wasn’t exactly planned out, thoroughly (hastily throwing a camera into the wash with the bedsheets).
Anyone?
@ lyla says:
March 16, 2013 at 12:23 am
I sense you’re struggling with the fact that no matter how this turns out, live/s are destroyed and change forever. First, can I give you a hug? ((((LYLA)))) I’ve had my moments in this case, along with you and my fellow Blinkies.
Peace is all anyone of us want. I just wanted you to know, I understand. I really do. Love and PEACE, dear friendy. xo
http://video.foxnews.com/v/2228330829001/accused-murderer-jodi-arias-bizarre-behavior-caught-on-tape/?playlist_id=2114913880001
Dale Archer assesses the admitted Arizona killer Jodi Arias against the checklist of sociopathic symptoms.In his opinion (he has not had direct access to Jody Arias) she appears to accord to 6 of the 9 the symptoms below. He thinks she doesnt fit the key last one, no past history of anti-social or odd behavior going back prior to her affair with Travis Alexander, which he considers to rule out sociopathy.We noted in the previous post that Jodi Arias had a turbulent family history and job history, and she made a good case on the stand that her boyfriend was debasing her. But absent actual signs of prior symptoms, Dr Archer doesn’t find that enough.• Failure to conform to societal norms: Jodi has no respect for the law or the rules of society. She not only viciously killed another person, she openly and unabashedly sneers at the prosecuting attorney and the courtroom proceedings.• Pathological lying: Ms. Arias has no problem lying. We’ve all seen it and know she’s good at it. Sociopaths lie easily and keep their cool because a lie is not considered wrong or immoral. It’s merely a way to get what they want. In the early stages of the investigation, Arias came up with three different lies for the police which explained what happened, changing her story as they disproved each.• Manipulation, deception, and cunning: Arias hacked into Alexander’s email and Facebook accounts. He found her hiding in his closet when he returned home from a date. She introduced him to sex, playing the submissive partner though she was actually dominant in order to control him. It is the prosecution’s speculation Arias eventually filmed and recorded Alexander in compromising situations to blackmail him if he tried to leave her.• Impulsiveness: A co-worker claimed Arias continuously called Alexander from work. If there was no answer, she would drop everything and leave to track down Alexander. She didn’t care if she lost her job, as long as she didn’t lose Alexander. Another point: while in the act of murdering him, Arias dropped a camera, and incredibly it snapped a picture of the murder taking place. Instead of taking the camera with her, along with the rope, the gun, her bloody clothes….. she impulsively threw it in the washing machine and ran it through a cycle. Miraculously, the images remained on the film.• Irritability and aggressiveness: Arias was becoming increasingly irritable and when Alexander started seeing another woman she turned up the heat. She stalked, vandalized, plotted and then murdered. Twice she slashed the tires on his car. She sent a threatening email to Alexander’s new love interest.• Reckless disregard for safety of self or others: We do not have record of Arias disregarding anyone else’s safety at this point other than Alexander- she killed him or herself; threatening suicide when Alexander would try to cut the ties. Ultimately the person she killed wasn’t herself, but Travis Alexander, the one person who consumed her thoughts, her life.• Persistent irresponsibility: In her 20s, Arias worked at several dead-end jobs and was in and out of relationships, but nothing stands out. No convictions, jail time or other legal issues.• Lack of remorse or guilt. In Arias’ mind, Alexander was not a person but her possession. He took her to interesting places, and she introduced him to sex. When he tried to pull away, she would reel him back with ever more outrageous sex practices. Eventually she killed him so no one else could have her possession. At the funeral, she did not shed one tear. Since the murder, the investigation, the arrest and the trial, not once has she said “I’m sorry.”• Before age 15 and continuing, a history of antisocial behavior. Here is the real problem with labeling Arias as a sociopath. This condition starts in the young teen years, if not before. It is a persistent and consistent behavior over the first three to four decades of the individual- some say for a lifetime. No one has come forward with any prior behavioral issues, legal issues, problems with work, family or friends. She was reportedly a very “good girl” in high school and very “normal.” At this time there are no known problems with previous boyfriends.
Blink i write with my phone and could not add that the article in my previous post is an excerp from the truejustice.org site. But no matter what and wich exoert is telling or thinking, here are one more time Travis Words wich i believe because he was an intelligent joung man who knew JA better than everyone else:
“You are a sociopath. You only cry for yourself. You have never cared out [sic] me and you have betrayed me worse than any example I could conjour you are sick and you have scamed [sic] me.””You couldn’t get off your lazy butt to to [sic] read it could you. That’s the sociopath I know so well. It freakin figures.””I don’t want your apology I want you to understand what I think of you. I want you [sic] understand how evil I think you are. You are the worst thing that ever happened to me.”~ Travis Alexander
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder?
Have you ever seen a sociopath or psychopath who was suffering from this desease?
I formyself not …
Regarding the claim of GTA, a short-term memory issue.
Arias professes memory loss yet was cognizant to know she was due at Ryan’s house and to dispose of the murder weapon(s) and forensic evidence. Also, and by her own testimony, the fog started to lift some time before she settled back in to California, therefore, her memory should be intact now.
Dr. Fog is offensive to intelligent minds, and to our military. God bless those truly suffering with PTSD.
Fight or flight? I think “flight” means, RUN FOR YOUR LIFE! As opposed to… Knife in dishwasher, check. Photos deleted, check. Travis rinsed in shower, check. Dog gated off, check. Okay, now run! This contention is absurd.
And, speaking of flight and running… I read an article last evening (unable to find it again, apologies) about an interview Arias gave to a journalist just prior to the 48 hours interview. Apparently, this journalist travelled to California and spent a week getting to know Arias and her family, who were all open to him. She recounted the ninja story to this journalist and in that account Arias was ABLE TO RUN down the stairs to get away.
Here is the article to which I referred, by Jonathan Leach, a journalist who interviewed Arias in July, 2008 when by his account she was adamant her case would never go before a jury.
Arias’ ninja account to him:
“I just remember holding my head and closing my eyes. He pulled the trigger. And nothing happened, just a click. At that point, I pushed passed him. And I ran down the stairs.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-leach/meeting-jodi-arias-first-_b_2526098.html
Well, m’am… you’ve testified that you rolled away from Travis. And here you state that you pushed past the ninja. So, you do have the strength and force to break free and flee, as well as the clearly demonstrated agility to headstand on command. Sorry… not buying the self-defense.
People do not take time to search for murder weapons when in flight mode.
@whodunnit
Great point about the fact Dr Fog is basing 90% of his evaluation on her journals!!
2 problems with this:
1.) Like whodunnit says, she has testified and clearly stated that she did not and never would write anything negative in her journal. That being said he is basing his opinions off of incomplete documents therefore making his opinion incomplete at best.
2.) Dr Fog is actually incorrect in his testimony..he testified that he did not see one single word that was negative in ALL of her journals since junior high. Based on the journals brought in to evidence and jodi’s testimony….there were actually a few minor negative comments written AND since when would her writings about suicide not be considered negative…
Journals from junior high? Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t she say that the journals came about when she converted to mormonism and that they encourage keeping journals and then passing them down the line for future generations and that was one of the reasons she didn’t include Travis’ abuse in them? I don’t recall hearing that she had been a journal keeper for years prior?
Also…if in fact her journals from Jr high and high school age contained zero negative comments in them then obviously she is not normal…I know what a moody carry little witch I could be during that time and most people know how the majority of pre-teen and teenaged girls are down right viscous at times..its just the way we are at that age….so if she didn’t have so much as a single negative sentence about another girl or parent during that time…not likely unless she was an undiagnosed sociopath very very early on…scary!
I gotta say, this is one paid expert that they did not get the return on investment they were hoping/counting on..imo.
P.S.
1min 2sec……complete crap..can not be done the way she says it happened.
It could be done in that amount of time yes, BUT NOT UNDER HER SCENARIO.
Hubster and I had another Friday Night Fun Night reenacting her story from the camera drop to the foot pic…our house is layed out similar to Travis bedroom…and yeah..like we already knew, there is no way things happened in the manner she described and took place in 62 seconds.
Until Monday…..have a good weekend ya’ll!!
@whodunnit says:
March 15, 2013 at 6:31 pm
l”yla says:
What evidence does the prosecution have to substantiate charging Jodi with premeditated murder?
Well, it looks like the evidence is circumstantial-they know from that she killed him, that there was no one else there, that a 25caliber gun was used, and on and on and on, with lots of ” little ” facts , that they are presenting as CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, asking the jury to deduce that Arias is guilty. Defense’s job is to refute that with other reasonable explanations that will make jury beleive she is only guilty of self defense.”
here is a link to a definition of circumstantial evidence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstantial_evidence
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So far I see zero evidence of self defense. She’s lied too many times and is not credible. Too bad they can’t put her away for insanity forever. She’s dangerous.
@ lyla, I fail to see how Jodi is a victim here. She brutally murdered an innocent man. Travis is the victim as well as his family. Now she wants to bash his reputation to save her own hide.
@Ragdoll
Thanks for understanding and a “hug” friend, I needed it! xo2u!
NaNa – I wish you were on the jury! Hopefully, the jury is like-minded enough to see that she doesn’t even present well for being a victim of domestic violence. A true victim of domestic violence would be working from memory and NOT in a fake fog during the act of ‘defending’ herself (stabbing Travis 29 times) in order to prove victimization and self defense. She is conveniently in a fog during the most important part of the ‘supposed self defense story’. A true victim of domestic violence would never have driven back a thousand miles to see the ‘batterer’ another time for any reason. Those miles would have been the safety net needed to escape the violence and sometimes a thousand miles is not enough. Her snarkiness on the stand, her defiance, her delight in describing sexual escapades on the stand, her lack of emotion when she should have been a mess on the stand, her blatant lies, her contradicting stories, sticking out her chest and primping her hair whenever the jury is entering or leaving the courtroom. She actually makes herself bigger instead of smaller and meeker that way. A victim of domestic violence? She’ll never sell that one to me. I know the real stories of domestic violence victims from my job and I know their body language and real emotions. When you are truly traumatized by an abusive partner and event, you don’t go back for sex. You run and never stop. You are grateful you got away and you hope he/she doesn’t find you! Her stories will never add up.
As for Arias not exhibiting signs of being a sociopath and/or psychopath before, I must say that I know of many sociopaths/psychopaths that victimized others without ever crossing the line of criminality. A disordered person can go for decades under the radar with out being arrested for an actual crime on the books. I am certain that she has skeletons in her closet where she was vengeful towards some in order to ‘get back’ at a perceived injustice toward her. But the person didn’t have proof that it was her or that a crime had been committed. She has been known to slash tires and invade other peoples’ privacy, but there was no proof she did these things or if there was, no one pressed charges. Sneaking into someone’s house through a doggy door is actually burglary, but no one pressed charges. I’m sure she has crossed boundaries with many of her relationships, but no one wanted to go to the police. So she got more brazen. Good people just naturally stay away from someone like this and go the other way because of the wrath that they sense or the actual witnessing of the wrath coming from a disordered person. That’s why they (the disordered) don’t have too many friends, and the few they have haven’t had their ‘hinky meters’ going and are seduced by the fake charm for a while. Her ex Darryl was an unwitting witness on the stand. He knows what she is capable of and he DID NOT want to be there. He has a family to think about now. He’s a wimp, but he knows what she is – he’s not a dummy.
In JA case, she was victimizing Travis for a while and he started to sense the disorder in her – even calling her a “sociopath” and the “worst thing that ever happened to him.” He tried to dump her, but she was spirialing out of control with him, and she finally crossed the line to murder. Now it is one for the books – the criminal kind.
Not sure who you were responding to Sue, but I believe that JA has exhibited signs of anti social and sociopathic behavior most if not all her life. I have not seen anything resembling schizo tendency personally. My thoughts on her being a psycopath is that if she was, we would be more inclined to believe a better story she came up with, and if this was indeed a premeditated act it would have been executed as planned.
Believe it or not only about 30% of psycopaths endure a psychotic event when perpetrating a crime. That figure is based on a study of the worst of the worst though, so it could be less.
I should also note she said the word ideaotion in her testimony of responses to jury testimony. This girl has read her own reports for sure.
For me, sociopaths like her, and I would include the Cword in this, are like chameleons that see their skin change to suit the environment and protect them from “prey” or really “truth” as it were, and do not realize that everyone else sees them as they are with the big pile of clear shedding dragging behind them.
Travis brought that to her attention. He paid for it with his life, unfortunately.
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If I were doing the investigation of this case, I would go back to the time she was in school and get information from her teachers from the time she started until she dropped out. She obviously had problems at home because we know that she planned the move out from home over a period of time after her father grounded her and in her mind took her car away. Astute teachers would have information about her behavior in their class.
Some children do not understand the difference between being able to use something that belongs to the family and ownership. They think it has been given to them. That is a parenting problem and has not been addressed. However, sociopaths do not operate with ordinary behavior regarding rules of conduct towards others.
The defense position of Jodi’s abuse by Travis causing fight is the reason for the story about how the gun got into the scene. The source for both the gun and the knife are not known. The only thing we have is the spent bullet and the knife wounds from the autopsy. Jodi more than likely stole the gun and perhaps the knife from her grandparents. However, she lived by her wits from the time she was fifteen and the possibility exists that she bought the gun and knife from another individual.
The efforts made to conceal the fact that she was in the area and the partial cleanup of the crime scene point to her guilt. The fact that she put sox over her shoes points to premeditation. The possible fact that she brought the gun with her and the knife indicates planning for their use either to attack Travis or for her on self protection.
The prosecution needs to establish the fact that Travis did not have a 25 cal. pistol or revolver and that would point to Jodi bringing it to the site. Since brass was found at the murder scene, that makes it an automatic pistol.
I personally know two people with schizophrenia. One 20 year old newly diagnosed and one 54 year old who is in a semi-group home and living a relatively good life. He likes to sing hymns to me when we see eachother and he could never live alone or lead a ‘normal’ life, even medicated. I see no similarities between Jodi and the two folks I am in contact with who have this very sad and debilitating disease.
As an aside, both of these males are very good men. The older gentleman was at a Bible college taking studies to become a minister when he came down with symptoms over thirty years ago. The other young man trusted his mother enough to come to her less than a year ago and let her know he was hearing voices and he was very frightened and he needed her help. Both were extroardinarily good kids growing up, of high intelligence and neither prone to drug use.
I would like very much to see a cure for schizophrenia if it’s possible. Both these men are such dear people and could have contributed much to society.
These are only my experiences. I have no professional experience with such things.
whodunnit…The jury CAN put ‘IT’ away for life. It’s called “Life Without Possibility of Parole” and they can recommend it instead of the death penalty.
The Jury in CA’s case didnt take into account the circumstantial evidence and reasoning that MOST people would consider (as evidence) that she killed her child and that’s why they let her walk. They thought (and were too dumb to realize) they had to let her go because they had one missing piece of the puzzle, how she died wasnt proven. I would have used all the circumstantial evidence to convict her to LWOP. Let’s hope and pray this jury DOES use the evidence (circumstantial and more) and doesnt let her walk the streets ever again.
The video of her laughing and doing a headstand is enough for me. I could easily convict her right now just based on that. Freakazoid scary excuse for a person.
I was responding to Loni @ 3:43 pm on March 16th – Dale Archers assessment of Jodie Arias. The last paragraph as quoted by Dale Archer reads: “Before age 15 and continuing, a history of antisocial behavior. Here is the real problem with labeling Arias as a sociopath. This condition starts in the young teen years, if not before. It is a persistent and consistent behavior over the first three to four decades of the individual- some say for a lifetime. No one has come forward with any prior behavioral issues, legal issues, problems with work, family or friends. She was reportedly a very “good girl” in high school and very “normal.” At this time there are no known problems with previous boyfriends.”
I am NOT a psychiatrist and don’t pretend to be one. I can only go by my years of dealing with disordered personalities in the criminal justice system. I was ‘in deep’ with them many times just by the nature of the job I had for many years. When I worked in the booking dept., I would book people who came in with serious, violent crimes, and they never had an arrest before – or even a violation. How does one go from staying within the boundaries of law to completely violating the law by committing murder for example. The answer is that no one ever reported them to police for whatever reason but they had been committing crimes to some degree for a long time. A teenager who sneaks out at night and busts mail boxes with a baseball bat. A kid who throws things off the bridge and it kills someone in the car below. A partner who was afraid to call police for being assaulted, a mother who didn’t want to report money stolen from her by her son/daughter. (CA comes to mind). A friend who didn’t want trouble by reporting that their friend hacked into their computer and got access to their bank account. A girlfriend who knows that her boyfriend drives drunk and high on drugs. Everyday, these people cross boundaries, but manage to stay under the radar until one day they get too brazen, and believe they can get away with a crime even more out of the norm of their typical behavior. After 1000 times of getting away under the radar, the 1001th time was the one that came to the attention of LE.
I believe JA was doing all sorts of errant, anti-social behaviors for a long time, but knew when to act like a goody two-shoes for appearance sake. She was not a teenager who obeyed the rules of the house. Her father was fit to be tied with her. If she had to sneak in, then she wasn’t up to any good. We can only speculate as to what she was doing, but she was stepping out of bounds. She wasn’t a model teen and she even dropped out of school. So I believe that if we looked into her teen years in more detail, there would be some telling signs that we don’t know of now. Her disordered pathology has been with her for years.
She is a chameleon and we know she was good at appearing well adjusted to some people. But, she was escalating in her disorder by the time she met Travis, and Travis was at the wrong place at the wrong time. No one before him effected her the way he did and she couldn’t just walk away. She plotted revenge and I see it as premeditated. Maybe she didn’t plan it out in minute detail, but she knew he had to pay in some way. Things escalated and her rage is seen all over the crime scene. And she is not sorry. She needs to be taken out of society for the protection of society for the rest of her life.
As an add-on to my above comment, I want to add too that more than one time, when we got someone in jail on a violent crime, and the person had no criminal background on record, many times it would come to light that this person did indeed have ties to other UNSOLVED crimes that had gone undetected until we got their finger prints. This example backs up my opinion that so many sociopaths get away with crimes and remain under the radar before they’re finally caught. So true with many pedophiles. How many children do they molest before they’re caught?
Sociopaths and psychopaths are not always criminals. Some are just very narcisstic and torment their families and friends and reek havoc that don’t measure up to a crime. But they have no remorse for the devastation they cause because they don’t have a conscience. Then some cross the line to acts that are criminal. I don’t know what causes the transition, but I’m only commenting on what I’ve experienced.
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I should also note she said the word ideaotion in her testimony of responses to jury testimony. This girl has read her own reports for sure.
For me, sociopaths like her, and I would include the Cword in this, are like chameleons that see their skin change to suit the environment and protect them from “prey” or really “truth” as it were, and do not realize that everyone else sees them as they are with the big pile of clear shedding dragging behind them.
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This literally made me feel nauseated. This is a perfect example of how sociopaths take queues or retrieve info from their environment to adapt as it suits their purpose. JA read her report and was able to play psychologist on the stand. That freaks me right out. Their intelligent, despite being high school drop outs. One thing for certain, sociopaths are perpetual thinkers. Their minds never turn off.
How interesting it would be to put 20 sociopaths on an island and observe ‘survival of the fittest’.
@ Löni says:
March 16, 2013 at 4:15 am
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Post Traumatic Stress Disorder?
Have you ever seen a sociopath or psychopath who was suffering from this desease?
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WOW! That is a thought provoking statement. If anything, the likes of Jodocchio and Creature would leave behind a trail of innocents suffering from PTSD, just for knowing them. I agree! I don’t believe they have the ability to experience such lows. Their too focused on getting what they want and doing what they have to, to get it.
@Blink. I agree my lay impression of her was Borderline PD, AntiSocial Type, but I do think after viewing that tape someone after her arrest should’ve gotten an order for an inpatient eval commitment on danger to self & others grounds for the purpose of a forensic psychiatrist ruling out a thought disorder (schiz). (you know, J Hinkley like) & weed exacerbates. Even if she was found to have a thought disorder at that time, imo it would not have risen to NGRI defense. So prosecution would be safe, but treatment might have resulted in an earlier confession & a plea.
Most of us have probably seen his bizarre of Jodocchio acting like space case, just before being charged with Travis’ murder.
She’s heard singing a song (more details in link)…
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/03/jodi-arias-sings-handstands-police-interrogation-video/
Lyrics to song….
“Here With Me” by Dido
I didn’t hear you leave
I wonder how am I still here
And I don’t want to move a thing
It might change my memory
[Chorus:]
Oh I am what I am
I’ll do what I want
But I can’t hide
I won’t go
I won’t sleep
I can’t breathe
Until you’re resting here with me
I won’t leave
I can’t hide
I cannot be
Until you’re resting here with me
I don’t want to call my friends
They might wake me from this dream
And I can’t leave this bed
Risk forgetting all that’s been