Jodi Arias Trial: In Her Own Words.. How I Killed Travis Alexander With HIS Gun and HIS Knife
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Phoenix, Arizona- In today’s highly anticipated morning testimony, Jodi Arias finally “gets there”.
After weeks of what can only be described as the dog ate my defense testimony led by Kirk Nurmi, Jodi Arias explains the events leading up to and during the murder of Travis Alexander.
Arias describes an irate and menacing Travis who bounds from the shower, causing her to drop his new camera and pouncing on her, knocking her to the wet tile floor.
“ A five year old can hold a camera better than you.” Arias stated Alexander screamed at her among other threatening expletives while she struggled to break free.
She then ran to the master bedroom closet and apparently using the Spiderman techniques she absorbed via osmosis from the alleged Valentines gift, retrieved a gun she claimed Travis owned over two feet out of her reach while he was sprinting behind her.
She pointed the gun at him, did not realize it went off and then Travis, still coming at her, stumbles to his knees on the now bloody tile beneath him. ( Editors Note: As I have always said, I believe the order of this injury is true and is important to the charges against her)
Enter gratuitous memory gap.
“I have no memory of stabbing him.” – Jodi Arias
Although Arias admits to having flash backs, she states she cannot remember any other details with the exception of her crouched in the bathroom covered in blood and drops a knife she believes was upstairs used by Travis to cut ropes he used to tie her up to the bed.
She did however, have the presence of mind to grab the ropes, the gun, apparently removes and loses her shoes and has no idea what happened to the knife she used to stab Alexander 29 times and slit his neck from ear to ear.
Next memory she is driving in the desert with the gun she alleges was Travis’s when she pitches it out the window at a random location, then puts the ropes in a dumpster behind a gas station and washes blood off her hands.
Pause for Arias innocuous driving babble and road scenery.
“Why didn’t you call 911 and tell them what happened?” Kirk Nurmi asks his sniffling but tearless client.
” …He attacked you, why did you feel You messed up pretty badly?”
“This time it was different, he had done it before and nothing happened, it was heightened.” Responded Arias.
While approaching a check point in Utah, she feels like she will be apprehended there.
Arias decided to do a “whole bunch of things” to cover up she was ever there.
So .. “I called his phone to leave a voice mail”. For nearly 16 minutes she says she tried numerous times to leave a cheery voice mail to ask as if she was not present in Alexander’s home.
“I just thought they would be listening to his voice mail, so I just thought it would throw the scent off for a while.”
– Jodi Arias
Yes, she actually said that on the stand. Defense Attorney Kirk Nurmi was observed writing a note to co-counsel Jennifer Wilmott to send an assistant out to Sam’s for an industrial size supply of Tums.
I made that part up. Testimony continues following jury lunch break.
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@Sammy says:
March 22, 2013 at 9:48 am
lyla says:
March 21, 2013 at 3:46 pm
“My Psychologist recommended (did not give it to me) “The Anxiety & Phobia Workbook” which I purchased when I was having some depression. It explains PTSD amongst other disorders. Also has a Self-Diagnosis questionnaire. I believe this is the book he gave Jodi.”
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The book gifted to JA by Dr Samuels was …
“Your Erroneous Zones” – is the first self-help book written by Wayne Dyer and first issued on August 1, 1976.
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What book was Samuels referring to when he mentioned the “Fifth Edition”?
Why slit his throat? That wound in particular in incongruent for me. For Jodi, it has meaning. For anyone preforming that act on another human being there is always a meaning.
Yup. OJ slit his ex-wife’s throat, too.
Watching Dt Flores talking with Judi was interesting to me
But when he said he knew she did it and was there to find out Why
What he wanted to know was Why
Jodi said nothing about self defense
Nothing about being abused
Or, stab to chest in shower, follows him to sink and stabs back, they struggle and she slits his throat, gunshot last as per ME.
There is no way he was shot last. Your not going to get that wound trajectory with his head nearly severed. It is just not possible.
There are 2 clear and distinct evidentiary areas where an attack occurred at this crime scene. One is the bathroom in front of the sink and floor, the other is the hallway where there are 2 clear and distinct blood spurt patterns on the walls consistent with Travis’s wounds, significant blood pool and absorption complete with foot prints that examined closely enough will match Jodi’s movements during the attack, imo.
B
I hope never to run into a D or the moonbat
Or a Jodi
LOL, me too Malty
B
I re-watched day 3, the testimony of the medical examiner. It was interesting to see Arias’ affect. Much different then, not the cocky Arias we now see. I recall many days of hiding behind her hair, wiping her nose and then one day her hair was suddenly pulled back off her face. I’m sure she is being coached.
during the Horn testimon, Arias is hiding behind her hair but curious enough to sneak views when exhibits are displayed. There are a few times when she appears to have a macabre smile, once even upper shoulders shaking as though she is laughing, definitely no tears from crying. She looks incredibly creepy and is wearing an oversized jacket which appears to be a man’s.
After hearing Dr. horn’s testimony again about the wounds, I feel that Travis was probably stabbed first in the shower/bathroom, then throat slit and finally shot with the gun. This coincides with the defensive wounds and bleed-out. If this sequence could be proven, the 3rd story as told by Arias would be debunked.
I don’t think the jury could possibly believe her after all that has been presented, and Samuels is questionable at best. Even if the next witness gives credence to abuse, and even if there is reasonable doubt regarding PTSD, neither rationalize, excuse or explain murder nor confirm self-defense.
Respectfully, I disagree as you know. I don’t think there is any conflicting testimony that the blood above and on the sink was aspirated, correct? That means the wound causing same must have been associated with a “strong burst of air”. We know that the only non-stab wound he has that could produce that is the gsw, which likely perfs his sinus and definitely tracks to his upper maxilla, likely forcing his mouth open.
The uncompromised aspects of that blood “spray” clearly show the visual sequence of it’s decomp- the separation of plasma appropriate again to aspirated blood. (see the yellow seps, some clear- educationally we call that bleeding of the bleeding).
There is no blood in the closet. There is no blood on the hallway floor until you get to the BR just past the tile. Your suggesting that he sustained enough wounds in 2 different areas to cause that blood “relationship” to the scene without any trace of point a to point b.
I would submit without an appreciable theory as to how that blood void occurs, it is not possible.
The benefit to the prosecution here is that there is NO benefit for the defense to focus it’s case on the forensics which imo, actually PROVE felony murder at a minimum. In other words, the jury then has to decide if it believes Arias brought that gun and the rest was “in the commission of”.. and not that fabricated closet bunk. The prosecution knows that will be a path of least resistance by nature of a jury in a crime like this and will have the best chance of hanging this jury.
Y’all know it is killing me to agree with Linda Baden- but I am going to be honest here. You may dislike her, you may think any work she has done with Dr. Baden on the same case is a conflict, but she is without question a brilliant attorney. The truth is she crafted the expert list for Baez, he would not have had so much as a number in his rolodesk of that who’s who in criminal defense wizardry.
And.. You also know I said it first before she even commenting on this case, lol.
Bringing up the CA case once again because it is a great example of contrast here-
I am telling you that the single biggest mistake that Jeff Ashton made ( and I know it was Linda Burdick’s case, but she deferred to him way too often, imo) was that it did not PREDICT the holes in it’s case. It did not predict or assume that the defendant would have the knowledge it did not, and would therefore be in a position to craft it’s defense appropriately.
It did not listen when those issues were pointed out, or other. CA was acquitted.
As you said you re-listened to Dr. Horne testimony- what did you think of his assessment about Travis’s wounds he considers superficial initially on the shoulder, then neck and then on the 5″-6″ area of his back ? Next to the GSW and the obvious arterial spurts in the hallway, for me, this is 3rd on my priority list in terms of sequencing the decedents wounds.
Lastly- if the defense made a tactical decision that they did not model this crime scene to show a struggle resulting in what they attribute to justifiable homicide because it would absolutely exclude her running into the closet for the gun, etc, I get that. However, if this did not cross their minds as a meaningful tool to exonerate their client they have no business defending this case, period.
There are at least 20 forensic recreation labs/developers that could produce this- and not HLN style.
Lastly, agreed on Samuels without the benefit of hearing the juror questions in total yet- If I were the defense and my jury had 100 questions after his testimony I would be very concerned. For that matter, so should the prosecution- almost 10 questions per juror.
There are going to be a lot of strong opinions going into that deliberation.
B
With regard to the duct tape around the arm – I apologize if I missed this, but was there in fact any duct tape found at the scene? I distinctly recall her testifying that she took the shower photos because ‘Travis had been trying to get into shape for Cancun, nearly had six pack abs, blah blah blah, and he had been wearing some kind of fitness monitor thing around his bicep’ When I heard that, I thought to myself ‘oh, there goes the duct tape, ritualistic thing they have been discussing on BOC, it is in fact just a tool he was using to get into shape’…. I guess what I am wondering is, was the duct tape fact or theory?
Duct tape found on the tile in the bathroom, marked as evidence. You can clearly see it around his arm on the bed pic (both posted here previously).
The calorie counter thingie was allegedly found on the br sink. Would be very interesting to know if they recovered duct tape from anywhere else in the home.
B
I was wondering, how can we eliminate the shower as an assault site since we know she rinsed the shower later with Travis’ body in it before she left?
Also, here is info on the frontal lobe.
http://www.braininjuryinstitute.org/Brain-Injury-Types/Frontal-Lobe-Damage.html
Because there was no evidence he was attacked in it. The toiletries, and walls were completely intact and no blood spatter patterns or disruption of robe hanging next to it. This is a small shower for a man his size as we saw from the pics.
Also, the backs of the heels from his feet- imo, they got caught on the shower track ( Horne says this was post mortem).
Can I say as an absolute, of course not, but I am just reading the scene.
I still say emphasis on this case forensically and skewing the prosecution that way would have made this a quicker and much easier case to follow and “wrap around” for the jury. I understand why that strategy was not chosen, but I think it was a mistake.
B
We have a shot of him on the floor with the door closed, next shot is the upside down camera/top of stall..
@Malty says:
March 22, 2013 at 11:55 pm
“Watching Dt Flores talking with Judi was interesting to me
But when he said he knew she did it and was there to find out Why
What he wanted to know was Why
Jodi said nothing about self defense
Nothing about being abused”
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Lies, lies and more lies. I hope in JM’s closing he ties all the facts together bullet point style and includes this portion of the interrogation. Jodi deserves her just rewards for the havoc she’s wreaked on all associated with her trial.
The neck region, next to the heart, is our most vulnerable and crucial connection to life as we know it.
Handling the neck area, as Jodi did in the waterfall photo, indicates control. She has his life in her hands. Being strong and virile, he didn’t realize the danger he was in, nor the risk she posed.
As an aside, when I see photos of a man crooking his wife’s neck tightly, even bring his hand back toward himself, I cringe. I see a problem where there may not be one: for me, I see control, insecurity, possession. If it’s once in the vice grip, well, that could be playful, but on a regular basis?
The overkill—-resulting in the neck wound, that’s the hardest part. She had shot him (which is what his eyes tell me in the omfg photo), stabbed him in the back at the sink (after getting in the chest stabs) and, once he was slumped in the hallway, she sliced his neck, which sprayed high on the wall (and those arteries can gush). The rest of the blood on the wall is from his thoracic wounds, front and back.
I believe that Travis knocked her down, pushed or threw her, as he fought for his life. I think he ‘chased’ her or pursued her as she went down the hall, but he didn’t go into the closet and neither did she, unless it was in her sneaking up to photograph or shoot him with the gun.
It’s just occurring to me that ole JA probably liked the play on words: shoot and shoot.
Word- Travis was not shot in the photo of his face- you can see where the entrance wound would be located just above the right eyebrow, but still within the orbital bone. Additionally the shower door was closed in that shot.
I heart you guys dearly but you are not buying what I am selling so I am going to give up, lol.
This is the exercise, it is a macro of what I do and uber abbreviated without subcategories and requires the interpretive ability and training that goes with and I am referring only to the crime scene analysis, no other layering as to profile or victim/suspect associations.
1. Observe the crime scene photos exclusive of any suspect information. Note observations within your own sketch as you go, and then in order of priority. Is their an intelligent and overlapping flow from the CSI tech? (Note: In this case I am referring ONLY to the crime scene pics absent the victim or suspect at this point. One must let the unfiltered start the work here. As an analyst, I have to believe that any pic or image that alleges something to theory can be staged, timing can be off, etc, etc. We start with raw data and is always my preference to know as little or nothing about the suspect. I want the scene to tell me without prejudice.
2. Review, then analyze the autopsy protocol. Notes as you go, then annotate questions for follow up or for specificity experts followed by priority findings. What chronologies are present as they relate to COD and how are they altered by the post mortem interval?
3. Map the scene in chronological wound sequence if enough data is available. If not, map anything verifiable, move on to next.
4. Develop initial findings framework to include verified subsequent data of scene-specific forensic findings. ( Note- that would be footprint, dna, palm print as a match to a suspect.) unfortunately, there was not a lot of forensics submitted and the garbage was not even collected, drain traps, glass she broke, etc, etc. This crime scene was unde-rprocessed for the crime, but in all likelyhood was due to the 5 day time lapse and multiple resident use. Nothing can undo that.
5. In this situation we have her blood/his blood/her hair as verification, as well as images recovered ( In my world I would need an expert to confirm that cameras time settings before i would ever conclude the time is right on there, to my knowledge that has not been disputed by either party so we are making assumptions I am generally never permitted to make).
6. Combining known weapon usage, the physical specifications of both victim and suspect asess the areas of victim suspect interaction. Determine the voids. Develop alternatives to theory as necessary, confirm as necessary with ancillary scene findings ( bedsheets, camera, what is MISSING). A void can also be a place where attempts were made to clean up, it does not have to be a natural void, it still indicates at a minimum suspect interaction at the scene.
It’s Critical Thinking Saturday For Takers:
Here’s the cheat for qualified persons only- there are inflicted wounds on this victim that come with a set of instructions so to speak- sometimes anatomically (ok, pathologically) they are presenting us with conclusives. When that happens, the autopsy findings flex their status in this investigation like a neon sign. What are they and why?
Don’t forget the why- and it cannot include the word logic or a syllable of the suspects statement.
B
Slightly off topic but a testament to how wonderful the work you do is:
This past week I decided to be a nice wife and give my husband a break from my constant watching, reading, and talking his ear off about this trial and road trip it with my parents, 3 month old, and 18 month old 8 hours down 95 to my sisters lacrosse game in Chapel Hill, NC (what was i thinking!?!?! but then again long car rides/trips are sometimes where the best memories are made and i desperately needed an excuse to try out my new double stroller
While there I was shopping with my mom and was in line behind two women who were discussing the Jodi Arias case. Never one to be shy, I jumped in on the convo and asked them what they thought. Both said its clear to anyone with any common sense that she is guilty of premeditated first degree murder. I agreed but reminded them of the “c” word trial and how I felt her jury left their common sense in Pinellas County. After I said that, the one woman told me that she is extremely worried that the state didn’t present the forensics of the crime scene clearly and that one of the truths in the midst of all of Jodi’s lies is that Travis was shot first. I told her I agreed and that after the “c” word case I get much more nervous about these supposed “slam dunk cases.” She then proceeded to tell me that there’s a website she reads daily that she suggest I read if I want accurate, factual information and analysis on this case as well as others. I asked her what website and she said “It’s called Blink on Crime.” At that point I told her how this is my favorite website and I have been following since the “c word” case. I told her my handle on here but she said she didn’t comment, she just reads. I encouraged her to join the conversation and asked her if it was okay if I shared this story but not her actual name obviously, which she said was fine. She’s probobaly reading this so if she is I just wanted to say how nice it was to meet you and I still think you should join the conversation
Okay now on to my actual question/concern:
I am wondering why, if it is true that when Jodi’s grandparents gun was reported stolen in Yreka it was reported to have hollow point bullets in it, and if a hollow point bullet wasn’t the type of bullet used to kill Travis, why didn’t the defense jump all over this? Maybe I’m just being paranoid but it kind of seems like a big deal to me
LOL, I have friends in Chapel Hill, great to hear!
There is no benefit at all for the defense to keep the gun issue in front of the jury past her assertion Travis had one. It invites the speculation and probability she had it with her. The nexus is too strong because of the caliber, access and timing as it is.
Had she had any way to prove she had seen Travis in person between may 28th and June 4th that did not end in his death, you can bet she would have said she gave it to him because he told her he had a stalker.
Have gun=premeditation or felony murder to most jurors. She brings that gun into the home she is looking at at a virtual death sentence either way.
B
any chance that the blodd on the carpet at exntrance to the bedroom could have come from a pile of Arias bloody clothes?
When answering the jury’s question ( paraphrased)” when did Arias come out of the fog” Samuels said that Arias was going to a check point at Hoover Dam, looked down and realized she had blood on her hands and clothes.
Um…… if she was so bloody, why NO blood on stairs, why no blood in house aside from crime area and teeny spots on washer….
Final question re: time signature on photos:
With the camera used to take the photos, is the time AUTOMATCALLY set ( like in a cell phone, you charge it, it gives you the time) OR did it require a manual setting?
My kids have cameras that require the owner to input date and time when first setting up the camera for use. AND it is not neccessary to input time or date in order to use the camera.
A roomate gave an interview to Flores saying he ( the roommate) he saw Travis in the house on the morning of June 4th. Same roomate referred to doing laundry ” wed or thursday”.. but since has said he wasn’t sure. He was sure he returned to the house the evening of the 4th.
SO anyway, isnt it possible that the camera was off, and that the actual murder took place much earlier in the day, akllowing much more time for clean up?
Oh, Blink -
I wish I had the time – especially since this is in my degree field. I will try the Saturday assignment. With work, school (being a VERY old freshman, LOL) and home with busy kids, it is hard to manage. But I VERY MUCH appreciate that guidance. I want to try…
The best advice I can offer when learning to analyze this way ( and by no means am I instructing here- I do maintain this is a learning blog) is to use your critical thinking skills to disprove yourself with equal vigor.
I have learned i do not like presenting against myself, lol. You all have heard me say this ad nauseum. If you are not willing to scrap all your work and start over at the appearance or discovery of new evidence or new workable theory you have no business analyzing.
I would add as a general topic from a recent course lab- learn how to be wrong. For me, I have no problem saying.. I got that wrong, here is what i missed, or mis-applied or whatever. The trick is to not be emotionally invested before you have done all the diligence.
B
Thanks again Mom3.0 for the link to the video of the little 25 cal. pistol.
Everyone who went to that site and watched the video could see how tiny the little gun is. The person in the video is not a beginner. He took the time to show the pistol compared to a more modern small gun. The important things to remember about shooting at the cardboard target is the position of his hands, one on the pistol and the other wrapped around the first hand for stability. The second is the recoil when he fired. The third is the pattern on the target. Even an experienced shooter has difficulty in creating a tight pattern.
The lack of a tight pattern is the reason I have stated that Jodi was lucky with her shot to the forehead.
Blink may be 100% correct with her analysis of the sequence. She is correct that the shower is very small and would not allow much movement for a medium to large size person. My thoughts were that Jodi first attacked him with the knife to the chest and then tried the pistol with a shot to the forehead. Our sinus cavities are much larger than most of us understand. As B stated, aspirated blood by definition must have a blast of air associated with it.
Having experience with determining how equipment comes apart during failure or an explosion and letting the evidence determine the how is the only way to go. One can guess, but if time is taken to really examine every visible clue and sometimes those not so visible ,it soon will lead to the sequence and point to the weak component.
Chest wounds or wounds to the back do not often bleed a lot unless the wound is in an area where veins or arteries are located.
There is plenty of blood in the head. When something is used to penetrate an area of the head there is usually a fairly large amount of blood. What happens when one has a molar extracted at the dentist? There will be a pretty good blood flow for a while.
Remember, it was discussed that Jodi is left handed by birth, but has taught herself as have many to use either hand. I really think that she carried the knife and the gun to the bathroom. Her strongest side will be the left side because she uses that group of muscles more.
Why did she cut Travis’s throat? For one she wanted to make certain that he would die and second she may have been giving him and others a message that he would never talk again.
Regarding the gunshot to his head, who are the Jurors to believe if not the ME’s report?
If they read the actual report, in my view, they will get the answers they seek. They are going to have to consider the felony murder charge and for me the GSW ( and obviously for the state and the defense) is a critical issue if one if they can’t agree on pre-med.
B
a juror asked a question that i think reveals an answer to the question -is there one person on the jury who feels sympathetic? the question was paraphrasing a little -can a person consolidate all the traume in their life into one event?samuels ansered yes ,thats what happened here.a question was also asked -was the hand and ankle tie-up the same day as the murder. i fell off my chair , i had that same question , but thought i didnt know the ansewr because i had not been following from the beginning. that a juror asked that question,validates my feeling that this case is not flowing right ,or its unfolding backwards . the first question, seems the crux of the whole the case of self defense(opening statement) , from the get go i thought jodi was taking creative license with what self defense is,and that we hold sane adults to a higher (and i should think) legal meaning of self defense.i just dont think either side is doing that great a job. so , yea my -not guilty voter- might be right . hung jury. But i hope she takes the stand again , and we get to meet ari arias , from behind the hair , the shrink said she reserves her anger for her mother ,maybe she will remember everything on the stand ,and we will get the big aha moment promised by c-word -via the satanic virus bug they were bitten by, kidding . but she needs a good catholic exorcism,or mormon. the gas cans equal premeditation imo.
SO anyway, isnt it possible that the camera was off, and that the actual murder took place much earlier in the day, akllowing much more time for clean up?
* what I meant to say was is it possible that the timer on the camera was not in synch with real time
Blink was the duct tape found in the bathroom or was it found in the laundry room? I must admit that I have referred to the Huffington Post for pictures only and they indicate the tape was found in the laundry room. It is shown in sequence with the washer etc…
From memory, bathroom, but I will check my files on it to be sure.
B
Blink, I must not have made myself clear:
When Travis looked out from the shower with *those* eyes, I think he saw her holding a gun. Do you? At that point, he thought she’d left and he was moving forward with getting ready for his trip. With another woman.
We agree that when he was sitting in the shower looking at her, she was indeed holding a gun.
Either she’s holding the camera, a gun, or a knife when he looks at her from inside the shower. If she did drop the camera, would he have yelled at her–would he have looked at her *those* eyes?
I think he had contact with the knife between that shower stall and the sink. His hands rested on the sink in two places. The left on the back, posterior side; the right on the front proximal side. Those finger spaces seem too wide to be JA’s bloody hands.
I personally do not believe he had knife contact until the hallway, but imo he was definitely shot in front of the sink and he was steadying himself on the sink to get up, or he was looking for something to defend himself.
After that, it sounds like Blink knows the order of events. I’d like to know, too. Hopefully you can fill us in, B. Sometimes you say you will comment afterward, or when the results come in, or otherwise, but many times we don’t get that, due to your other case load or family/life commitments.
I sincerely appreciate this reminder. I frequently bite off more than I can chew and I need to close the loops I open. I will post my un-official analysis based on the publicly available intel in the case by tomorrow evening.
So, no, I guess I don’t get it. I tried to analyze…it seems TA needed to be lower than JA when she shot him in the head, leaving a penetrating wound, as the bullet travelled from the temple at an angle down to the mandible. That wound may not have bled that much with only an entrance area, leaving the bullet in the jaw (if I view the xray correctly).
That’s all I got.
Me in bold Ma’am. Thank you again.
B
Sorry for the long posts, all. You are welcome to scroll and roll and lol. This case is enough to make anyone batty. Not moon-batty. Just batty.
Double heart you Word Girl
B
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First observation…the shower door is closed when the face shot of Travis is taken…the next picture is of his body slid to the floor of the shower and the door is open. No blood seen in picture. Blink what is the the 2 inch injury to the back of Travis’ head…does it say fracture on autopsy pictures?
Ode the next pic is the top of the shower door- however, that assumes the pics are in order and as you know some or all were deleted and recovered- not clear on the recovery protocol used past encase.
There is no fractures anywhere on Travis. There are 2 triangular cortical defects related to the incised wounds.
B
These are my observations and comments about Travi’s wounds:
Defensive wounds on the hands (back of hands as well as inside fingers and webbing between thumb and forefinger)
- shielding the knife from his face and trying to grab the knife?
- these are slashes and not stabs which means the knife was being swung at his face/head
9 stab wounds on his back in a small area (back of neck and back of head)
- angry/stabbing in rage?
Gunshot wound to the head didn’t have blood trickling out and no hemorrhaging (means it was after the stab to the heart and after his throat was slashed)?
NaNa- heart u, but I gave you the template. Not picking on you, or anyone else- I am trying to make a point about forensic evidence, interpretation and conclusion. I applaud you for reviewing the autopsy- which you clearly did.
Here is a hint to where I am trying to steer the BOC think tank. Keep in mind, anyone can say blink- I think “x” so step off- I am ok with that, I will tell you upfront that since the CA verdict, I make it my life’s work in criminal investigative analysis to see the holes someone else will- and has. That was my takeaway in lieu of my Mama doll. I suppose that’s a whole ‘nother post. Sorry for the digression, I just want to make sure everyone reading here knows I am not about being right and making any wrong that clearly has an advocate interest at a minimum.
So on to my hint:
You said:
9 stab wounds in a small area on his back.
Me: None of these wounds were deep, none of them entered the chest, and none were fatal. Yet, they area of 5″ x 6″ is a very small area of concentration- what could this mean about how they were inflicted?
B
I can assume as well that her story of the gun going off when he tackled her is wrong as well.
If someone tackles you while holding a gun my logic tells me that your hands would fling upward (knocked backward and off balance ) which means either she would miss completely, or any shot would hit him at an upward angle.
It’s instinctive to also brace yourself from a fall so she would have dropped the gun when tackled or shot wildly in an upward direction because it went off during the tackle.
Tackling also might hit the chest as she fell backward.
My logic tells me that a person drops what is in their hands when tackled and they either grab the person (like grabbing at their upper arms), or they throw their arms backward to break their fall (her elbows and arms would be hurt and also the back of her head).
The downward sloped angle to the face/head to me means that she shot him in the face while his head was down (at the sink), or while crawling on the floor (maybe looking up at JA as she was yelling something at him?) More than likely she tried to shoot him after stabbing didn’t kill him? Then had to resort to slitting his throat when the gunshot didn’t kill him.
I cannot believe the body slam statement at all because that move would not only have knocked the wind out of her, it most likely would have knocked her out cold when her head hit the tile. She wouldnt just roll out of it and run away.
I don’t believe there was ever any rope. I think they would have found fibers from it, especially if it had been used to drag Travis down the hall and back to the shower.
To me, besides all the other information that disputes Travis having “attacked” JA on the 4th, here is why I think it absolutely did not happen. If Travis were truly enraged, he could have easily hurt or killed JA. She obviously isn’t dead, and she had nary a cut on her. The only blood on her was his, which she washed off. If she was the one being attacked, how come she had no injuries, save for the infamous ring finger bender? THAT was a tendon injury from her stabbing him. In short, if he had wanted to harm her, he could have easily have done so, yet she has NO INJURIES and was not KILLED!
9 stab wounds in a small area on his back.
Me: None of these wounds were deep, none of them entered the chest, and none were fatal. Yet, they area of 5″ x 6″ is a very small area of concentration- what could this mean about how they were inflicted?
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was he could have been on top of her when she was weilding the knife that caused those 9 wounds in such a small area….
To clarify the above, it was a snip from my response to Nana post, I am the “me”.
whodunit: Yes. that would be my possible finding in this case. He had every right to be fighting for his life and imo he did, valiantly.
I believe the prosecution was concerned that such evidence would support an attack from the defense perspective. I understand that, and agree that they might try that tact.
However, I truly feel there is significant evidence that supports pre-meditation that is not being utilized and I do not understand why the state would not bolster it’s case with experts in this area.
B
I am all for taking into account the duct tape on the arm theory, but this calorie counter looks very similar to duct tape, and the Huffpost does say duct tape was found in the laundry room.
http://www.amazon.com/BodyMedia-Armband-Weight-Management-System/dp/B0049POHK6
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/04/jodi-arias-crime-scene-photos_n_2412031.html#slide=1947041
I’m not sure what this means, just that I’m not buying the ritualistic scenario. I think that’s overthinking it. I think she was just one crazy, jealous B. And I don’t think she really gave a crap about mormonism…
My opinion only, no offense to anyone who thinks otherwise….
You are correct, it was in the laundry room on the tile. I don’t see how that changes the fact he clearly had it on his right arm in photos and the banding was caught in the pics of the shower. It was laying in between the washer and dryer where bloody evidence was thrown-
No offense taken, alternative opinions encouraged, but it would explain a missing dynamic here.
B
Blink Hello
I have decided to go about your exercise-
Please bare with me as you made many points and challenged us to review many things the autopsy along with crime scene photos in addition to injuries and blood patterns etc-
I have done all but it will take some time to go thru each-
I appreciate you sharing your experience and expertise as well as your well thought out opinions based upon the evidence & your research etc.
I want you to know that I do not dislike Baden and although I disagreed with her anaysis on the CA case- I can appreciate her expertise and opinions on other cases and may find myself agreeing with those opinions just as i did with Dr spitz- i disagreed with his anaysis on the CA case but I could see the value in his findings in the WM3 case.
As you well know I agree with you that any prosecution/defense must look for the holes in their case and they must be open to listening or viewing others findings- it is a mistake to overlook and run with any theory -
Having said that- let me begin:
Blink on several key issues you most certainly could be right, I am not trying to prove you wrong- I am just pointing out other perspectives and theories etc- just as I have always done- you may agree or disagree and please tell me if I am misinterpreting facts as I value your teachings always.. Ill try to do the same for you if you are mistaken okay?
I must say Blink you have us all at a disadvantage because I am assuming you have access to materials we do not
I went on walk about and found some on my own
They are extremely graphic- but I would hope that you will allow them to be published with a warning otherwise how can we even hope to meet your challenge?
not sure if in one of your articles you had the link to the autopsy or not here it is:
http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/redactedtravisautopsy.pdf
next several graphic photos of wounds etc can be found on goregrish.com I will not supply the link for those that want to see they can be found- not all but some-
AJMO
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Blink you began with this response to Jden
Jden says:
March 22, 2013 at 11:56 pm
Or, stab to chest in shower, follows him to sink and stabs back, they struggle and she slits his throat, gunshot last as per ME.
There is no way he was shot last. Your not going to get that wound trajectory with his head nearly severed. It is just not possible.
Blink I fully understand your point and you could be right but you may be wrong- unless we were there we can not say the ME said that with the neck wound it is possible that Travis could remain upright and move down the hall JM said 12.6 feet yes possible if the neck wound was the only wound he could remain alive for a few minutes as stated by the ME-
So as he is falling or as he is crawling away or as he may have been in front of the sink with head down etc it is possible for the trajectory to work.
It is possible that the gunshot was first though-
jden is correct the ME did state IMO the chest wound to the sac came first then he did not give an opinion as to whther or not the neck or gunshot was next or last although he did say that with the neck he was alive and with the gunshot he could have been dead…
My personal opinion is that the gunshot was not last- in the middle after the chest wound or first but this is just my opinion –
You:
There are 2 clear and distinct evidentiary areas where an attack occurred at this crime scene. One is the bathroom in front of the sink and floor, the other is the hallway where there are 2 clear and distinct blood spurt patterns on the walls consistent with Travis’s wounds, significant blood pool and absorption complete with foot prints that examined closely enough will match Jodi’s movements during the attack, imo.
B
Blink you could be right but you may be wrong- there was blood throughout the hallway- near the commode near the scales in front of the closet (bathroom) on the walls and on the carpet-
that is only a POSSIBLE foot print- unfortuantely we cant be positive- i wish I could see what the tread was on those sandals… unless you are speaking of the carpet area or some other print I am unaware of…
it could be that the footprint is a mark made from something other than a shoe
such as a Ford focus floor mat the curvy part..- or perhaps another type of mat with gripping maybe a rubber bathroom mat?
just search for Ford focus floor mats 2007 2008
AJMO
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Next rtesponse was to Jden
“Respectfully, I disagree as you know. I don’t think there is any conflicting testimony that the blood above and on the sink was aspirated, correct? That means the wound causing same must have been associated with a “strong burst of air”. We know that the only non-stab wound he has that could produce that is the gsw, which likely perfs his sinus and definitely tracks to his upper maxilla, likely forcing his mouth open.
The uncompromised aspects of that blood “spray” clearly show the visual sequence of it’s decomp- the separation of plasma appropriate again to aspirated blood. (see the yellow seps, some clear- educationally we call that bleeding of the bleeding).
There is no blood in the closet. There is no blood on the hallway floor until you get to the BR just past the tile. Your suggesting that he sustained enough wounds in 2 different areas to cause that blood “relationship” to the scene without any trace of point a to point b.
I would submit without an appreciable theory as to how that blood void occurs, it is not possible. ”
Blink again you most certainly could be right but you may be wrong-
You wrote:
I don’t think there is any conflicting testimony that the blood above and on the sink was aspirated, correct? That means the wound causing same must have been associated with a “strong burst of air”. We know that the only non-stab wound he has that could produce that is the gsw, which likely perfs his sinus and definitely tracks to his upper maxilla, likely forcing his mouth open.
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Why are you disregarding the stab wounds as the cause of the aspirated blood on the sink?
I am not following you here…I agree it could be because of the gun shot wound but it could have happened with the stabs the ME testified:
Jm asked about stab wounds/if blood could come out of ears and mouth-
depends on what was hit if the lung ws nicked which is possible because we are dealing a decomposing body the organs arent as pristine they arent as…they dont lend themselves to examination as in a fresh individual
But if the lung is nicked they can cough up blood If you have blood going into the throat area and he does have throat injuries that we’ll talk about… all those can cause coughing up of blood or loss of blood out of the mouth and the nose.
—So IMO it is possible there are other reasons for what appears to be aspirated blood on the sink and mirror.
About the blood in other areas or absent from- Blink there wasnt enough blood to illustrate what he lost meaning the scene was cleaned- think Nicole simpson and her throat wound/stab wounds- there was huge amounts of blood– if we were to go under your thoughts we would have to conclude noone had their throat slashed etc… KWIM?
AJMO
Whoever aspirated was facing the sink. There are 2 kinds of bleeding patterns there, and one is drops from a gravitational source above it generating enough bleed to cause it. None of Travis’s wounds from his back punctured his chest Mom 3.0- , the hemothorax was caused by a stab wound to the chest so unless your considering someone small enough to sit on the sink stabbed him while he stood there motionless that does not work. The casing, while I admit is transfer evidence, is a few feet from this scene as well.
I am not following you in regards to “going by my thoughts” nobody had their throat slashed. I am on record that the arterial spurts match the neck wound in both anticipated trajectory and matched to the wound pattern itself.
Travis does not have a wound outside of the neck slice that corresponds to it. If you are saying I cant say with certainty because water was thrown on top of a blood spatter pattern I can still see based on the chemical reaction to it.
As far as Dr.Horn is concerned, keep in mind he is the state witness. This is a case where the state literally took witness out of order because they needed to lay the foundation to allow Flores to rest comfortably under the bus.
I say this because he answers questions he asked that are developed in the framework of the state’s desired response to it’s case. The defense has no real desire to focus on the forensics because if they did, it will cause the jury to, and those details weigh heavily toward guilt, imo. ALSO.. how secure could the defense case be with a witness who claims no memory?
If I am a juror I would pick up on that. Bad Idea.
One word, and I promise I am not being glib, but I will never forget it..
“braindust”
kwim?
B
You: to Jden
“As you said you re-listened to Dr. Horne testimony- what did you think of his assessment about Travis’s wounds he considers superficial initially on the shoulder, then neck and then on the 5″-6″ area of his back ? Next to the GSW and the obvious arterial spurts in the hallway, for me, this is 3rd on my priority list in terms of sequencing the decedents wounds.”
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I dont understand your thoughts here B
What does this have to do with sequencing other than the 9 most likely were done close in time same orientation same direction from right shoulder to the center
two lower went opposite direction
the nine were deeper than they are long the bones of the ribs and spine likely stopped them from going deeper…
The ME testified that Travis likely had his back to the assailant
?
AJMO
My point was just that I think it’s possible that there is no significance to the duct tape that was found at all.
I am all for taking into account the duct tape on the arm theory, but this calorie counter looks very similar to duct tape, and the Huffpost does say duct tape was found in the laundry room.
http://www.amazon.com/BodyMedia-Armband-Weight-Management-System/dp/B0049POHK6
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/04/jodi-arias-crime-scene-photos_n_2412031.html#slide=1947041
I’m not sure what this means, just that I’m not buying the ritualistic scenario. I think that’s overthinking it. I think she was just one crazy, jealous B. And I don’t think she really gave a crap about mormonism…
My opinion only, no offense to anyone who thinks otherwise….
You are correct, it was in the laundry room on the tile. I don’t see how that changes the fact he clearly had it on his right arm in photos and the banding was caught in the pics of the shower. It was laying in between the washer and dryer where bloody evidence was thrown-
No offense taken, alternative opinions encouraged, but it would explain a missing dynamic here.
B
There is a better pic of his arm with it on, I am not able to access it at the moment, however, the duct tape as I corrected myself, was retrieved washer or dryer when removed from something else. Duct tape found in the garments/clean up of a murder scene is very relevant, imo. Sadly, I know a great deal about duct tape and it’s chemical properties.
B
Eloise says:
March 23, 2013 at 8:44 am
I was wondering, how can we eliminate the shower as an assault site since we know she rinsed the shower later with Travis’ body in it before she left?
Because there was no evidence he was attacked in it. The toiletries, and walls were completely intact and no blood spatter patterns or disruption of robe hanging next to it. This is a small shower for a man his size as we saw from the pics.
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Blink just as the cup was found in the shower stall and other things were moved about we can not say the assailant in the cleaning did not wash away mot of these things
as for the robe we do not know if that was placed there after or not-
if we go by the robe none of JA claims ring true
and there was a rather large blood drip near the robe- so it is possible the area was cleaned and the robe may have been placed as part of the staging…
You:
Also, the backs of the heels from his feet- imo, they got caught on the shower track ( Horne says this was post mortem).
It is possible Blink but Horne did not state this he said the bruising on the bottom was postmortem
Testimony:
189
right leg contusions bruising on the shins
191
better pic
I believe these injuries were inflicted before death
dragged somewhere?
him hitting something or something hitting him impact wounds…
190
left heel
abraded lacerations
(tearing of the skin) scrap leading into the tear happens coming in contact with an object…
Happened before death because they were hemorrhagic (bleeding)
implies action somesort of force yes…
left heel has bruising under skin a contusion one does not bruise once dead
knee injuries likely occurred postmortem drying out due to decomp…
You:
Can I say as an absolute, of course not, but I am just reading the scene.
I still say emphasis on this case forensically and skewing the prosecution that way would have made this a quicker and much easier case to follow and “wrap around” for the jury. I understand why that strategy was not chosen, but I think it was a mistake.
B
I agree with you Blink they did not make these issues clear and JM seemed to want to have the gun shot last and I still dont understand why.
But again IMO the ME did leave it open he did agree the GSlast was a possibility…
AJMO
I stated my last comment badly. My position is that what he is wearing in the photo is not duct tape. To me, if you look towards the top, it is not smooth, but looks like there could be an electronic piece on the armband.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/04/jodi-arias-crime-scene-photos_n_2412031.html#slide=1985280
9 stab wounds in a small area on his back.
Me: None of these wounds were deep, none of them entered the chest, and none were fatal. Yet, they area of 5″ x 6″ is a very small area of concentration- what could this mean about how they were inflicted?
B
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whodunit: Yes. that would be my possible finding in this case. He had every right to be fighting for his life and imo he did, valiantly.
I believe the prosecution was concerned that such evidence would support an attack from the defense perspective. I understand that, and agree that they might try that tact.
However, I truly feel there is significant evidence that supports pre-meditation that is not being utilized and I do not understand why the state would not bolster it’s case with experts in this area.
B
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The ME testifies that the back wounds if done by themselves would be fatal just not as quickly as the other wounds
the defense did use this tactic Nurmi gave this scenario about reach around-
I agree it is possible but IMO it is more likely he was on his knees and his assailant was attacking him as he crawled or as he turned trying to defend himself
Blink I read thru the autopsy and I will give my thoughts at a later time-
What I will say for now is if the jury does not understand what they are reading or if they try too hard to compare the notes with the testimony of the ME it will only confuse them and they may see it as contradictory in several areas…and that could be a problem..
Again every point you made every opinion you shared could be right on target-
but it may not be-
I do not think this is necessarily that much of a forensic case-
as much as it is the battle of the interpetations of the crimescene by the jurors themselves
we all know who killed him –
the crime scene photos do not back up Arias accounts it just couldnt happen the way she claims
thats were the fog story comes in will that be enough?
I think this case will be decided on whether the defense worked the abuse etc and whther they feel sympathy for Arias JMO
Peace
I agree that if this jury is focused on forensics, and I believe it will only take one juror who is to turn the conversation in that direction, that they will be confused between the conflict of Dr. Horn’s testimony and his autopsy report- and then of course Det. Flores mea culpa.
I don’t recall Dr. Horn testifying that the wounds to the back would have been fatal on their own, unless he meant in context to non-emergent care and blood loss. We know they preceeded the chest and neck slashing
B
TGF Pam Ill be back later
I appreciate your feedback
Keep on keeping on guys
Peace
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Me: None of these wounds were deep, none of them entered the chest, and none were fatal. Yet, they area of 5″ x 6″ is a very small area of concentration- what could this mean about how they were inflicted?
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I’ve rewritten this so many times.
I keep coming back to this….
There was a photo of Travis sitting in the shower (as per evidence) minutes before his death. He knows
This is where I believe she shot him. We know it’s not deadly but it does cause Travis to be disoriented. I figure he was able to crawl or rolled out of the shower. He also had to be a non moving target for Jodi to deliver precise stabs in such a tight grid. I suspect he was on all fours or on his stomach as she stabbed him. I also believe she was standing over him while striking, which is another possible reason the wounds are shallow. Had she been lower, the force would have penetrated the blade, deeper into his back. She is close enough, however, to keep a tight grid, for reasons above
I also believe she had to be in a controlled state of mind to have that kind of precision.
If we consider she was stabbing him in rage or fear for her life, he would have sustained wounds all over his back, some shallow, some much deeper (this is just stupid, of course. If she was in danger, simply incapacitating him, then run for the hills, would jive w/ self defense) A tight grid and shallow stabs, to me, means a steady hand…but not enough force to cause a fatal wound (as I’ve already stated above). She was NOT in fear for her life.
Only a hunter would stay back to finish the slaughter.
The attack escalates, to a point where Travis receives a stab wound to the chest, severing the artery which carries blood back to the heart. He only has seconds to live and will bleed out fast.
What goes down after that, I can’t even begin to determine, process or imagine. The timing, the total area which the attack covered, etc…..makes zero sense to me. Maybe because I don’t want to know just how much Travis’ suffered before he died.
I kept thinking he could have made a big difference in this world. Since I’ve seen new video footage, I can see Travis was a beacon of light. He brought joy, laughter and smiles to so many people. He made friends, easily. He wore his heart of on his sleeve and he didn’t allow his past to determine who he was, in character. He succeeded in his short life, even though the odds were against him from the start.
He did make a difference, just by being who he was.
PS…. Blink, I suspect you”ll get a few responses regarding the 9 stab wounds to the back.
I’m not trying to be Sherlock nor frustrate you with a theory that probably doesn’t come close to the truth.
I needed to try. That’s all I can say for now. I hope this post does NOT bring any burden or frustration. I just appreciate the opportunity to express my thoughts. The truth is among us….we just need to be patient and work with each other. The truth needs all of us to go to places we’ve never been, in our minds or hearts.
My simple opinion.
Love and light, dear friendLY
Agreeing with me, as you know, is not a pre-requisite friendLY.
Jacqueline Beaufort, BOC editor brought something to my attention yesterday- and I think Word Girl touched on a bit as well.
Because of the demands of my time, I think I tend to abbreviate explanations or scenarios that really require more depth from me.
Sometimes that is on purpose because I want to empower folks to do their own research and processing based on their advocacy and interest levels so I can create better awareness, etc.
Sometimes I get annoyed because I can’t demonstrate in an effective way that sometimes conclusions readers arrive at are based more on emotion then facts and then I think to myself- “self, isnt that what you set out to do- inspire advocacy?”
So I want to appolly to all for my shortcomings in that area.
B
Me: None of these wounds were deep, none of them entered the chest, and none were fatal. Yet, they area of 5″ x 6″ is a very small area of concentration- what could this mean about how they were inflicted?
B
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He was on top of her and she was on her back and she was stabbing him with free arm. Sort of like a lover’s pose but in this case a fight for life.
Yes, this is what I believe, and it you follow incised and wound depth you can literally see how she moves out from under him. She cuts herself here, imo. Those neck to back wounds are definitely the product of limited range.
B
Ode the next pic is the top of the shower door- however, that assumes the pics are in order and as you know some or all were deleted and recovered- not clear on the recovery protocol used past encase.
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He flings the door open Jodi falls and the camera snaps a shot of the top of door and the ceiling. She grabs for him he pulls himself up by the sink and she shoots him. He tries to escape down the hallway. Why does he go towards the bedroom and not the stairs downstairs? Maybe he is crawling and can not do stairs so he tries to get to the bedroom to lock her out. There is no doubt the most blood loss was in the doorway of the bedroom where the carpet is removed and even a part of the padding remove.
There are 2 sets of stairs Ode, one had a Doggy gate at the top which makes no sense to me because the dog could just use the other stairs. I wonder if at the time their were two gates.
B
Blink
First, let me say that my comments about the stabs, etc. were not an answer about the sequence of events…they were observations about location, depth, and whether I thought they were done in rage/anger (to show it was not self defense)
This is what you asked me:
YOU: None of these wounds were deep, none of them entered the chest, and none were fatal. Yet, they area of 5″ x 6″ is a very small area of concentration- what could this mean about how they were inflicted?
ME: The wounds to the back were Inflicted with a knife but they were not meant to kill (they are shallow). She probably had her finger or thumb against the blade of the knife to stop it from penetrating too deeply and she was lightly slashing or stabbing his backstabbing or poking his back. Which means to me that TA had his back to her, either bending over the sink, or as he was laying, curled up on the floor trying to protect himself. He wasn’t fighting back at that point – he was too weak, if not already dead.
Got it, understood NaNa.
That said, I do not agree and as I posited earlier, I am going to post my opinions on this later complete with pics.
B
Food for thought: Can any of us imagine (if Jodi testified to stabbing him first) what her defense would be? A truth teller she is not.
No, it would not be believable or supported by the evidence.
B
As a 13 year old I experienced a 3″ cut in the middle of my back caused by a broken coke bottle. This was caused by not looking over the ground before wrestling. The wound did not stop me from moving and did not bleed but a little. The slight pain was a burning sensation. It took three stitches to close it. Today it would take ten to make a closure to approved standards.
An accumulation of cuts can begin to lower blood pressure and cause dizziness. The force of the bullet to the head would have slowed Travis and could have affected his vision giving Jodi an advantage.
The fatal cut was the throat administered in the hallway. I believe that Jodi had maneuvered to get behind Travis, grabbed his hair and delivered the cut that nearly severed his head. That put him on the floor and allowed the repeated stab wounds.
Everything that Jodi stated about the source for the gun and knife are not true. She brought them into the bathroom to begin the attack.
@B
I’m confused by the possible scenarios while interpreting Horn’s autopsy report. I am looking forward to your theory in relationship to the pics. It will be interesting to hear JM’s summation before it goes to the jury. Hope he isn’t too strident or long winded
I think we may cause more confusion before we clearify it- working on some things today.
B
JA is fighting her way from under Travis stabbing him in the back, neck and head. She is wiggling free and uses the wall to push Travis off leaving palm print. While being pushed Travis rolls onto his back and begins the stab wounds to his front torso. There was blood high on the wall and could this have come from the major vein (superior vena cava) wound in the chest. Travis may have rolled over or she rolled him over and slit his throat and that was were the head rested near the portion of the carpet and small portion of padding was removed. She drags him by the feet down the hall back towards the bathroom. She then drops feet and pulls him into the bathroom the front putting him head first into the shower and then legs in.
With regard to what came first the gsw or knife attack: What is the significance of the bullet casing landing on TOP of what looks like congealed blood on the floor?
Why has it taken so long for this case to go to trial? Almost five years!
Those neck to back wounds are definitely the product of limited range.
B
Limited range. Those are the exact words I didn’t have to describe what I think I’m seeing in the wounds. It also occurred to me that Travis was a wrestler and he was trained to pin an opponent. I think that’s why we see so few defense wounds on his hands and arms. When I think of Ron Goldman and all the defense wounds he had on his hands and arms I guess it would be because he was trained in karate, where he was taught to fight an opponent with his hands (and feet). So I think Travis was trying to pin her in the hallway, and the back and even the head wounds (all the slashes) came from her underneath him. Maybe they were struggling in this wrestling at the end of the hall where we see the big swash of blood on the wall right before the carpet and they fell over from a sitting position onto the floor. Even the throat wound, when I could finally even look at it, looks like it was done from limited range because it goes directly along the jawline, not in the middle by the Adam’s apple. I think the palm print came after it was all over maybe as she backed away from him. IDK. This is my first attempt at anything like this. I’m looking forward to reading your posts tonight Blink.
Shower photos of Travis in a one-view collage:
http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s621/wasthinking/collage_zps00e64932.jpg
Shower photos of Travis on video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlNW3Gtd7Yc
I’ll just add this. I still think the gunshot came first and that’s what all the aspirated blood in the sink is from, as so many of you have said. I agree with that. I think if the gunshot hadn’t come first Travis wouldn’t have died.
Hey Blink some of my posts are still in moderation… can youe them? if they are lost I can repost-
Blink you wrote:
I don’t recall Dr. Horn testifying that the wounds to the back would have been fatal on their own, unless he meant in context to non-emergent care and blood loss. We know they preceeded the chest and neck slashing
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Youre correct he stated:
“Taken all together all the wounds of the back and the head could have been fatal over time”
AJMO