Jodi Arias Trial: In Her Own Words.. How I Killed Travis Alexander With HIS Gun and HIS Knife
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Phoenix, Arizona- In today’s highly anticipated morning testimony, Jodi Arias finally “gets there”.
After weeks of what can only be described as the dog ate my defense testimony led by Kirk Nurmi, Jodi Arias explains the events leading up to and during the murder of Travis Alexander.
Arias describes an irate and menacing Travis who bounds from the shower, causing her to drop his new camera and pouncing on her, knocking her to the wet tile floor.
“ A five year old can hold a camera better than you.” Arias stated Alexander screamed at her among other threatening expletives while she struggled to break free.
She then ran to the master bedroom closet and apparently using the Spiderman techniques she absorbed via osmosis from the alleged Valentines gift, retrieved a gun she claimed Travis owned over two feet out of her reach while he was sprinting behind her.
She pointed the gun at him, did not realize it went off and then Travis, still coming at her, stumbles to his knees on the now bloody tile beneath him. ( Editors Note: As I have always said, I believe the order of this injury is true and is important to the charges against her)
Enter gratuitous memory gap.
“I have no memory of stabbing him.” – Jodi Arias
Although Arias admits to having flash backs, she states she cannot remember any other details with the exception of her crouched in the bathroom covered in blood and drops a knife she believes was upstairs used by Travis to cut ropes he used to tie her up to the bed.
She did however, have the presence of mind to grab the ropes, the gun, apparently removes and loses her shoes and has no idea what happened to the knife she used to stab Alexander 29 times and slit his neck from ear to ear.
Next memory she is driving in the desert with the gun she alleges was Travis’s when she pitches it out the window at a random location, then puts the ropes in a dumpster behind a gas station and washes blood off her hands.
Pause for Arias innocuous driving babble and road scenery.
“Why didn’t you call 911 and tell them what happened?” Kirk Nurmi asks his sniffling but tearless client.
” …He attacked you, why did you feel You messed up pretty badly?”
“This time it was different, he had done it before and nothing happened, it was heightened.” Responded Arias.
While approaching a check point in Utah, she feels like she will be apprehended there.
Arias decided to do a “whole bunch of things” to cover up she was ever there.
So .. “I called his phone to leave a voice mail”. For nearly 16 minutes she says she tried numerous times to leave a cheery voice mail to ask as if she was not present in Alexander’s home.
“I just thought they would be listening to his voice mail, so I just thought it would throw the scent off for a while.”
– Jodi Arias
Yes, she actually said that on the stand. Defense Attorney Kirk Nurmi was observed writing a note to co-counsel Jennifer Wilmott to send an assistant out to Sam’s for an industrial size supply of Tums.
I made that part up. Testimony continues following jury lunch break.
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Hmmm…I see an oppty for Juan on cross of Alyce
She just stated that the trips that Jodi & Travis took together were really good for their relationship…that they got along well on their trips.
Sooo I wonder what her thoughts will be on the fact that Jodi was replaced on the Cancun trip and how Jodi handled that particular rejection.
Add the Vjay intercourse. JA testified that was against her will- how is it now “Yay me, I am built for sex.”
B
Regarding the August 2007 timeframe. Ms. Laviolette talking about the “Laws of Attraction” says: “Jodi has the power to change her whole life”. Laviolette goes on to say Jodi was not ready to leave Travis. I do not think her testimony portrays Jodi as “not culpable” for the murder of Travis Alexander.
O M G
Willmott and LaViolette are going on and on about the same blah blah blah for days.
What is driving me to madness is that this witness lacks true knowledge of Jodi’s mindset or the reality regarding her and Travis’s relationship. Much like Samuel’s tesitmony it is hard to stay focused because my mind keeps filtering it out as complete bull malarkey.
I need Juan to wake my azz up.
Not to say that the defense isn’t doing what they need to do… LaViolette is staying focused on evidence however her focus is on incomplete/partial evidence and the words of a liar. It’s making me crazy because there is a prosecutorial counter argument for most of what she is stating and I just want to get there already.
Ms. Laviolette is referring to Travis pushing Jodi down after an argument in October 2007. Is there evidence of this (other than what Jodi told Ms. Laviolette or what’s in emails)?
You know, the one thing that sparks hope is that Juror #5, although they were dismissed for misconduct, probably expressed how she and the rest of them feel…that Jodi’s guilty. Encouraging. Defense wants to toss the whole trial because, based on what juror #5 said, they know that most, if not all of the jury probably feels the same so they know they are going to lose. They’ve tried several times to get the judge to agree to a mistrial and probably will use this as a basis for appeal. I hope though that any jury that sits through a trial or an appeal sees the truth and acts accordingly.
Laviolette is impressive but I wonder if she even remembers this is about Murder
And I am getting tired waiting for her to explain the death of Travis Alexander
Why this man had to die
So lets get Martinez back soon. Like Amys Sister said
I just saw a snippet of the interrogation tapes with Jodi’s parent and Det. Flores. Has anybody else watched the entire tape or read the transcripts? I was curious about what their reaction would be, other than hearing Det. Flores tell Jodi that her parents were not surprised of her involvement in Travis’s death, I haven’t heard anything else about how they reacted. Does anyone else have any more info regarding their initial reaction?
Does everyone think the prosecution is harvesting the power of the media?
B
HLN have video coverage of Jodi’s parents being questioned by police after Travis’ murder. I will try to find and post links.
Blink..sorry I’m a little slow when it comes to connecting the dots. Can you please elaborate on what you mean by “harvesting the power of the media”?
Do you mean this in a way that this is a beneficial action for the prosecution to take?
I mean- how else does this get released if it is not from the prosecution? They took a hit today with juror #5.
B
Dr. Drew tonight showed the LE tapes of Jodi’s parent’s being questioned and wow did Jodi’s mom drop some bombshells! She was crying telling detective Flores that Jodi’s friends had called her in the middle of the night at some point concerned about Jodi’s state of mind … that she was freaking out in the middle of the night, etc and asked her to get her help. She also wasn’t surprised when detectives mentioned they thought Jodi did it and her mom seemed genuinely perplexed how Jodi could act so normal and sweet after she had just killed someone because she appeared perfectly normal right after when she had contact with her. Hard not to feel bad for her when she’s crying in the interrogation room wondering what went wrong with her daughter. This is all very damning if you ask me … why can’t the prosecution use it to show state of mind? Her own parent’s weren’t surprised when they were shown the evidence against her. How telling is that?
when you go to post a comment, make sure your names is justice23, or change it if your real name comes up- I have done it for you, but you will likely need to do it on your end.
B
This long on the witness stand time for Mrs. LaViolette is gradually turning off the jurors to her credibility. She is overselling the product with too much data.
All people who have sales training are taught when to stop selling and do the close. If you take too long to get to the close, most will say no and walk away. It is really not LaViolette’s fault. The young female defense attorney has made a huge mistake.
There is plenty of evidence that Travis was anything but a good man. He lived life big and was in debt to others for his life style. He took advantage of his friends and girlfriends. His choice of making a living in an arrangement that was very close to a pyramid scheme and was not considered clean enough to go to the Mormon Temple tells us that he was not yet trustworthy in the Mormon religion.
The important take away for me is that Jodi planned a trip of 1,000 miles in a manner to hide her moves, then killed Travis in a brutal way. Next she continued with her life as if nothing had happened.
She chose to take Travis Alexanders life. We may never know the real reason as she cannot tell the truth.
She IMO is guilty of murder. The state has her confession to it, but has little actual evidence of what took place at the scene in regards to her acts.
All of this makes me think that there is the possibility that the defense is making an appearance of defending Jodi and is making the jurors mad at them so that they will find her guilty as charged.
Again, thanks for the quick reply to my question. To be clear, it is the prosecution “harvesting the power of the media” in that they are getting bits and pieces of tapes and interviews etc..
and putting them out, yes. They will never admit it, but clearly with recent events, they are aware media is having influence.
B
Nana
Hi thanks for looking/listening to that- I agree it could be that she singing is he right very weird
After watching these tapes I noticed it seems many of the symptoms/behaviors can be attributed to schizophrenia or other personality disorders
* the examples which could fit
Examples of Physical Symptoms—-
*–A blank, vacant facial expression. An inability to smile or express emotion through the face is so characteristic of the disease that it was given the name of affective flattening or a blunt affect.
*–Overly acute senses- lights are too bright, sounds are too loud.
*–Staring, while in deep thought, with infrequent blinking.
*–Clumsy, inexact motor skills
*–Sleep disturbances- insomnia or excessive sleeping
*–Involuntary movements of the tongue or mouth (facial dyskinesias). Grimacing at the corners of the mouth with the facial muscles, or odd movements with the tongue.
*–Parkinsonian type symptoms- rigidity, tremor, jerking arm movements, or involuntary movements of the limbs
–An awkward gait (how you walk)
*–Eye movements- difficulty focusing on slow moving objects
*–Unusual gestures or postures
–Movement is speeded up- i.e. constant pacing
–Movement is slowed down- staying in bed (in extreme cases, catatonia)
Examples of Feelings/Emotions—-
*–The inability to experience joy or pleasure from activities (called anhedonia)
*–Sometimes feeling nothing at all
–Appearing desireless- seeking nothing, wanting nothing
–Feeling indifferent to important events
*–Feeling detached from your own body (depersonalization)
*–Hypersensitivity to criticism, insults, or hurt feelings
Examples of Mood—-
*–Sudden irritability, anger, hostility, suspiciousness, resentment
*–Depression- feeling discouraged and hopeless about the future
–Low motivation, energy, and little or no enthusiasm
*–Suicidal thoughts or suicidal ideation
*–Rapidly changing mood- from happy to sad to angry for no apparent reason (called labile mood)
*–Severe Anxiety
Changes in Behavior associated with schizophrenia —-
–Dropping out of activities and life in general
*–Inability to form or keep relationships
*–Social isolation- few close friends if any. Little interaction outside of immediate family.
*–Increased withdrawal, spending most of the days alone.
*–Becoming lost in thoughts and not wanting to be disturbed with human contact
–Neglect in self-care- i.e. hygiene, clothing, or appearance
*–Replaying or rehearsing conversations out loud- i.e. talking to yourself (very common sign)
*–Finding it difficult to deal with stressful situations
–Inability to cope with minor problems
*–Lack of goal-directed behavior. Not being able to engage in purposeful activity
*–Functional impairment in interpersonal relationships, work, education, or self-care
*–Deterioration of academic or job-related performance
*–Inappropriate responses- laughing or smiling when talking of a sad event, making irrational statements.
–Catatonia- staying in the same rigid position for hours, as if in a daze.
*–Intense and excessive preoccupation with religion or spirituality
–Drug or alcohol abuse
–Smoke or have the desire to want to smoke (70-90% do smoke) – note: this is a very normal behavior for people who do not have schizophrenia also!
*–Frequent moves, trips, or walks that lead nowhere
Examples of Cognitive Problems Associated with Schizophrenia —-
*–Ruminating thoughts- these are the same thoughts that go around and round your head but get you nowhere. Often about past disappointments, missed opportunities, failed relationships.
*–Making up new words (neologisms)
–Becoming incoherent or stringing unrelated words together (word salad)
–Frequent loose association of thoughts or speech- when one thought does not logically relate to the next. For example, “I need to go to the store to buy some band-aids. I read an article about how expensive AIDS drugs are. People take too many street drugs. The streets should be clean from the rain today, etc” The need to go to the store to buy band-aids is forgotten.
–Directionless- lack goals, or the ability to set and achieve goals
–Lack of insight (called anosognosia). Those who are developing schizophrenia are unaware that they are becoming sick. The part of their brain that should recognize that something is wrong is damaged by the disease.
*-Racing thoughts
–In conversation you tend to say very little (called poverty of speech or alogia)
–Suddenly halting speech in the middle of a sentence (thought blocking)
*–Trouble with social cues- i.e. not being able to interpret body language, eye contact, voice tone, and gestures appropriately. *–Often not responding appropriately and thus coming off as cold, distant, or detached.
–Difficulty expressing thoughts verbally. Or not having much to say about anything.
–Speaking in an abstract or tangential way. Odd use of words or language structure
–Difficulty focusing attention and engaging in goal directed behavior
*–Poor concentration/ memory. Forgetfulness
–Nonsensical logic
–Difficulty understanding simple things
–Thoughts, behavior, and actions are not integrated
*–Obsessive compulsive tendencies- with thoughts or actions
–Thought insertion/ withdrawal- thoughts are put it or taken away without a conscious effort
–Conversations that seem deep, but are not logical or coherent
Disclaimer: The following symptoms overlap with many other diseases such as bipolar disorder, major depression, the various kinds of personality disorders (specifically paranoid and schizotypal personality disorders), and other problems such as brain tumors and temporal lobe epilepsy. There is no “typical” case of schizophrenia. Everyone has different symptoms. Seek the opinion of your doctor always.
http://schizophrenia.com/earlysigns.htm
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I am not a doctor nor do I play one on tv- just sharing some info that I found interesting which may or may not have anything to do with this case. AJMO
Wheres graceinthehills ?
whodunnit says:
April 2, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Blink writes:Absolutely no evidence that Arias has any marker for serial killer whatsoever. That would definitely qualify as inflammatory, lol.
Respectfully, you are making very broad assumptions about Arias as they relate to criminal conduct- she never had as much as a parking ticket and there are thousands of women that have similar backgrounds and patterns that never kill anyone. As past history is the best indicator of the future, and the facts of this case show- this is a domestic partner homicide.
How it is classified does not matter to me in the sense that her capacity to commit this act in the way she did makes her a danger to society and deserving of appropriate punishment. I don’t agree that Jodi does not know her own motive, she does.
B
Blink, I agree with much of what you wrote but I disagree that past behavior/arrest record may not be a clear indicator-
Just becuase she wast arrested doesnt mean she wasnt worthy of it, many times an abuser goes from relationship to relationship never once having the law involved- until that one time —KWIM
and as for this being just a domestic partner killing i disagree there too- we dont know that there are indications, not necessarily before the court that JA was aggressive and acting out and escalating and also other indications for lack of a better word delusional-
She uses “The law of Attraction” as a catch all but in reality it could be her justification in her own mind over delusions=
There are reports she was acting strange, that she needed help, that kicked walls, her mom, a dog- she stalked her ex boyfriends and there new love interests- and there is some thought that she slit tires-etc
We dont know what led her to Travis that day but to equate this killing to a domestic partner killing IMO is not looking at the big picture. it is giving this defense too much credit when all it has done is base its case on the lies and delusional thinking of a brutal killer who claims self defense when there has been very little if any factual evidence of this claim.
PS- yes I think the prosecution is releasing info-but we cant know when these tapes became available just as David Lohr had to go thru alot of red tape to get the Jodi tapes, I would think the media had to do the same, they just chose to piece meal it….
What good has the media done? It seems its just added more and more fuel to the defenses attempts for a mistrial KWIM?
AJMO
Peace
1. I was referring to what is known of her background in general, not just her lack of a criminal file. That is what is know, I have openly suspected that their are major holes in her background that do not make sense and may likely shed some light. However, past patterns indicating future patterns is a common LE and criminal investigative standard in analysis.
2. I am speaking to the context of serial killer, and I maintain their is absolutely no markers, collaterall intel, profile information whatsoever to indicate that is even a remote possibility.
3. I am not seeing how anything you posited changes that this is a domestic partner homicide- they were in a relationship on again/off again of an intimate nature- one killed the other- that is the criteria.
The prosecution is betting that media favoring the prosecution or Arias guilt is going to have a good chance of getting to them, accidentally or otherwise. Nobody will admit it but is what it is.
B
@ATG re ” It is really not LaViolette’s fault. The young female defense attorney has made a huge mistake”
You nailed it. By a fluke tuning in to CNN app at 630, the trial was live, & I watched it til recess.
LaV is a dear. Wilmott is a wandering waif. JM objects aggressively/appropriately. Judge gives D every leeway.
Big D media error, tho jury was out, was pink jacket D notetaker, seen close focused by CNN while tit for tat talking,
nay virtually flirting ear to ear, with Jody . D’s problem
is even if T was a bad boy with 11 girlfriends, fucking them all, it doesn’t justify his slaughter at the hands of one of them. Women get shoved al the time & don’t slit throats.
I am telling y’all as I have said from the beginning- the motivation is tied to the throat slit, and that act to an already near-dead man by this woman tells me more about her than any email or text. There is some serious mental deficit background with this girl and it includes disconnects since birth. Nobody that ever got to know her “really” felt they were anything but disposable to this girl, ultimately.
B
I think Wilmott is so far over her head bcz defense theory on
premed (which is all being defended) is so convoluted and subjective.
Talking heads are stating the removal of juror number five is a good indicator because it appears she felt Jodi was guilty as the day is long and so this means other jurors feel the same.
I’m not convinced of that. There’s a small part of me that wonders if there might be a couple of jurors who are considering that Jodi does suffer from PTSD or killed Travis in self defense and ‘snitched’ on the removed juror to the judge or defense team.
I totally disagree with any position that does not point to the juror removal favoring the defense. When the defense asks for something from a Judge at trial the prosecution is going to vehemently disagree with and the motion is granted in part (removal) this is not a good thing for the prosecution at all.
B
Still trying to catch up-
Hiya krowdkat
- thanks for sharing your very astute thoughts-
You are correct JA did eventually say that Travis waited up “for her”- but she also testified that both she and travis were night owls- so it isnt too hard to believe that travis was up late on his own which had nothing to do with whether or not he knew she was coming-
What I find interesting is for most of the time she refuses to answer like you also pointed out -and LE did find a screen off the window in the backyard…and at one point she did say she went onto the back yard (when the intruders told her get out-) Why would she go to the backyard to think how to get help? why not run out to the front door or garage? to her car? exactly no intruders she never ran out BUT why bring up the back yard? because she DID go out there either to set up a phony breakin OR to gain re entrance iafter the male “intruder”(Travis?) took the money wagged the car paper in front of her and told her to get out…. IDK
Important point is she REMEMBERS going in the backyard…
COnt
AJMO peace
I have not been able to get the feeling in my gut from lodging in my head, lol. And that feeling is that Jodi Arias was extorting Travis in some way, and he was about to call her out very publicly about it. The use of the word scared 2x about not coming to see her sing or whatever is not in any vocab of Travis’s I have seen- but I could see him use it to keep her lucid or pacified.
B
RE krowdkat says:
March 31, 2013 at 7:46 am
From Juror queston to Jodi…
40) You said you reported your cell phone lost in May 2008, when and where was it found?
A: I reported it to the Yreka police as stolen, blah, blah, grandpa’s car, Chinese takeout, don’t lock doors. Stolen was my conclusion.(Jodi asks what was the rest of the question?) It was found in 2010, in my grandfather’s car, my aunt found it, actually she’s sitting right over there in the front row. She gave it to my grandmother.. Objection (Defense) Sustained.
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I wonder if Jodi told Travis that she recorded their phone sex on the phone that she thought had been stolen and this is one of the reasons he sent her those scathing text.
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May 26, 2008 – These 3 are all part of one long text, no replies from JA in between:
05/26/08 at 07:59:15am
I sent you a response to your dire conversation, that I hope you read because you need to read it. Maybe it will spark human emotion in you, something that only seems to exist when it comes to your own problems. But everyone else is just a part of your sick agenda. By the way, your pic comment to Danny Jones makes you look like a pure whore, even more to the people who know you. You should be embarrassed by it. If he knew what I knew
about you he’d spit in ur face. Sow could everyone else. I have never never in my life been hurt so bad by someone. But why do I even say it because you don’t care. It doesn’t serve your evilness.
05/26/08 at 08:35:02am
You couldn’t get off your lazy butt to read it could you. That’s the sociopath (I) know so well. it freakin figures
05/26/08 at 09:11:11am
I don’t want your apology I want you to understand what I think of you. I want you to understand how evil I think you are. You are the worst thing that ever happened to me.
krowdkat- are you sure the texts are quotes? I feel like there is some verbiage missing, but I could be wrong.
B
Great Points Krowdcat- and i think you most definitely could be right- the gun and the loss of the phone/sextape could all be tied into the whys of the texts and of the murder murder-
Blink you were right there is part of the convo missing- Kcat- it took me forever to find them and i am still not sure they are complete- but you were right about the dates and about them being separate texts AJMO
The Texts:
I sent you a response to your dire conversation, that I hope you read because you need to read it. Maybe it will spark human emotion in you, something that only seems to exist when it comes to your own problems. But everyone
else is just a part of your sick agenda.
By the way, your pic comment to Danny Jones makes you look like a pure whore, even more to the people who know you. You should be embarrassed by it. If he knew what I knew about you he’d spit in your face. So would everyone else. I have never never in my life been hurt so bad by someone. But why do I
even say it because you don’t care.
It doesn’t serve
your evilness. You couldn’t get off your lazy butt to to read it could you. That’s the sociopath (I) know so well. it freaking figures I don’t want your apology I want you to understand what I think of you. I want you to understand how evil I think you are. You are the worst thing that ever
happened to me. you have that information. its 15 minutes it would take to gt the info. But you won’t take 15 minutes. Why because it is an Fucking lie. So either text me you that you are ready to tell the truth or give me your imaginary friend with the worst BS story you have ever told or leave me alone. Its a lie like no other. It is freaking foolish. There is no way out of it, you have screwed up your story so bad you can’t mend it. You are caught. When will you realize that. I do not know. You have til tomorrow. to have me this persons information before I tell all of the Hughes’ Leslie Udy, the Freemans, your parents and anyone else that matters about all the crazy things you have done.
So either fess up or feel the wrath. No matter how bad the truth is I promise you the punishment will be
better than the lie. This is worse than your magical
email that a mysterious man you’ve never seen before
wrote for you. You insult me by thinking ill believe such
crap. nothing else from you til the truth. I already know
your lying so why continue. After tomorrow, its gonna
get real bad for you. Time to spit it out.
I dont believe JA explanation of that text- somethingelse was going on-
Travis knew something and even though he is very mad and hurt he is still trying to get her to do the right thing- should he have went as far as he did with the anger- probably not
This part:
Its a lie like no other. It is freaking foolish. There is no way out of it, you have screwed up your story so bad you can’t mend it. You are caught. When will you realize that. I do not know. You have til tomorrow. to have me this persons information before I tell all of the Hughes’ Leslie Udy, the Freemans, your parents and anyone else that matters about all the crazy things you have done.
So either fess up or feel the wrath. No matter how bad the truth is I promise you the punishment will be
better than the lie.
—When travis writes So either fess up or feel the wrath. No matter how bad the truth is I promise you the punishment will be
better than the lie.
To me he is saying hey this is bad the lie is horrible its gross but you need to come clean, no matter how hard it will be to fess up- to face the consequences of this lie, the punishment whatever it will be will still be better than living with the lie-
to me he isnt necessarily threatening her, yeah sure hes mad hes sad hes disgusted he tells her IF she doesnt come clean he will have to tell the others about all the rest and IMO it is their wrasth not his which he is referencing here…- but he is saying it and he will tell because he is trying to get her to fessup to something big IMO he is telling her this lie will have repercussions (punishment IMO hot his but necessity due to the lie) but in the grander scheme the punishment no matter the severity can not compare to holding onto the lie-
What was the lie?
Poor Travis- it seems whatever it was she felt so threatened by its exposure that she killed him, and still learned nothing as she continues to spew horrible lies to escape the consequences for her actions/lies
Does any of that make sense? Just thinking- dont know if Im on the right track or not
Last thought- I think ALV has a beautiful name but I am not buying her expertize in this case- everything she is saying is based on her skewed thinking and JA lies and misinterpretations- that is clear when she speaks of their relationship and Travis relationship with others-
How is it okay for her to speak of what Travis thought etc isnt that beyond her knowledge?
Anyway,
They were broken up they were friends with benefits — and Travis never put a ring on her finger – so whether or not she had magical thinking or not does not mean Travis was obligated to live up to her or any other womans expectations- how does any of that even begin to equal abuse?
IDK
AJMO
I completely agree that JA was absolutely threatening Travis with something. It does appear that she claimed to get some sort of email from a strange dude in reference to Travis.
This is why I have been saying, I think the motivation here is going to be even sicker than we know- like it was over one of her nonsense schemes . The phone resurfaced in her grandfather’s car in 2010 my ass. She told someone where to find it, and viola.
Me thinks it was in conjunction with needing it for evidentiary purposes.
So she must have purchased a new phone between then and her trip to Mesa, correct?
Do we all see how fragmented this case still is? Remains a problem for me and I am willing to bet more than one juror.
B
Blink, what do you think most heavily weighs Travis’ sisters sobbing when they left chambers this morning? Because the removal is seen as a win for the defense? Certainly, they were not assured that #5 would be pro-State. Or, possibly because now Arias has posture for an appeal. I’m just curious.
LV speaks as if she interviewed both JA and Travis, nodding at the jurors in complete assertion as if she actually heard him say the things that JA alleges. Really?
How many more days until JM returns and will he call LV “m’am”? Are we there yet?
The family was in chambers. It is my personal opinion that whatever the reason the juror was excused, it had some tangenital association with the family. Both sisters were reading their own packet of docs when they returned to court and imo, it looked like an order.
The only thing I can think of that they would need to be in chambers for in a sealed hearing is if it had something to do with them.
For all we know, juror #5 introduced herself to them, or ran into them in the ladies room- and conveyed an exchange to others.
That would be enough, and I absolutely believe the defense might request some sort of protective order going forward.
Speculation on my part-
Yes, he will call her ma’am, ad nauseum.
Hey- I got the taupe right.
B
Re: email from Travis to Arias on May 26-
Travis writes ” This is worse than your magical email that a mysterious man you’ve never seen before
wrote for you. ”
To me, that says that Travis also had received or become privvy to an email BEFORE this one. In Flores report, it says that on Dec 8 2007, there was a threatening email sent to Lisa, (the girl Travis was with when tire slashing occurred ). This is the email from an email address of ” john Doe” that was full of religious references, whoredom etc. Could this be the email that Travis is referring to when he says ” worse than your magical email etc etc etc ”
I know, this is speculation on my part. But it is impossible to read this email without realizing that Arias had done something serious to warrant this degree of anger.He gives her a deadline- saying she must respond by next day ( which would be may 27) Gun is stolen May 28.
In 2010, Arias submitted as evidence, copies of letters she claimed proved Travis’s pedophilia, but the judge ruled that they were inadmissable because she did not present the originals. Further, prosecution claimed they were fakes.
Could those fake letters and whatever Travis is referring to in his May 26 email be connected??
Could Arias have told Travis that someone had given her something incriminating against Travis, and in continuing the lie, said she could not tell Travis who it was- which in turn prompts Travis to say ” admit you are lying, etc etc …..???? Speculation, I know.. but still….
What we know for sure is that Travis gave her an ultimatum to stop lying or he would tell ” everyone that matters” all the crazy things she had done. Note to LaViolette- in his email, he did NOT say he would kill her, does not threaten her with violence and gives her a choice- In fact he says ” So either text me that you are ready to tell the truth or give me your imaginary friend with the worst BS story you have ever told or leave me alone.”
In fact,the threat that Travis made was to EXPOSE ARIAS. He writes:
“You have til tomorrow. to have me this persons information before I tell all of the Hughes’ Leslie Udy, the Freemans, your parents and anyone else that matters about all the crazy things you have done.”
When Arias says she killed in self defense, she was defending her SELF from the exposure Travis threatened.
Can anyone remind me when these texts came into evidence?
B
Juror #5 dismissed. Here are some details:
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/jodi-arias-trial-update-was-excused-juror-already-in-hot-water
Apparently one of the things she was doing was coaching JA from the Jury box with head gestures (telling her not to answer certain questions). Someone called the judge (probably an observer). Might not be why they let her go, but definitely the judge looked into it and when other jurors mentioned her as well.
@ Sue says:
April 2, 2013 at 2:10 pm
http://kristinarandle.com/blog/diagnosing-jodi-arias-part-three-of-three/#gsc.tab=0
I found this article and it’s a good one. The author – a clinician – describes what she thinks is a good fit of Antisocial Personality Disorder that describes Jodi Arias. Parts 1 and 2 of the article can be accessed from the links on the page. It’s an interesting read.
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I sincerely thank you for posting this. Unrelated to this trial, but certainly something I needed to see. My adult daughter attempted suicide last year. If you get past all of the, “She’s an adult…” issues we had to deal with and cut to diagnoses (bi-polar, ADHD, manic depressive, among other things), I was also told by a social worker (off the record) to explore BPD. I did and it didn’t quite fit with all of the lying and other issues. You have no idea how much this article very plainly written and simply stated makes everything crystal clear. She’s still an adult and there isn’t much I can do from a treatment perspective but it certainly helps to be informed. Again, thank you.
Survivor- that breaks my heart as a Mother. I just wanted to weigh in to say that the best way to assess your daughter’s conditions is to let a qualified professional who specializes in same diagnose her. While I agree that Dr. Arandle’s piece was an excellent read- she is observing and has never met Arias. In a true patient setting, the things a clinician can pick up could skew findings. As an example, although self mutilation is a hallmark of BPD- there are many people diagnosed with same that never do that. A person could have mild spectrums of most anything- it need not be the extreme form or “mold”.
I don’t want to get into an o/t discussion that I am not qualified to have in terms of diagnosing mental impairments or neuro disorders- I really only have education and experience from a criminal profiling experience, but I know enough to advise to let the professionals who are- make the appropriate call. Kudos to you and others who continue to educate themselves.
B
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/jodi-arias-trial-update-was-excused-juror-already-in-hot-water
Juror #5 was causing too much distraction I feel. She may have been sympathetic towards the victim, but she may have caused a mistrial too. The jury needs to remain steady and professional now until the end of this trial.
I remain concerned that her actions will have a ripple effect. I would also like to know if the hair was like that previously, at jury selection or in between then and the start of the trial.
B
Another good article on domestic abuse. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janice-harper/the-burning-bed_b_2981003.html
Snippet:
But now comes the sensationalized trial of Jodi Arias, on trial in Arizona for stabbing her former boyfriend, Travis Alexander, 27 times (mostly in the back) while he showered, slitting his throat with such force she nearly decapitated him, and shooting him in the head all in a span of 106 seconds (the murder and the moments leading up to it having been caught on camera, complete with date stamps).
WORTH WATCHING: Even Jodi’s dad told detectives she was a “strange person” … watch video below of him being interviewed. Very telling.
Like I said … why isn’t this interview coming into court? Prosecution needs some revival after the speculation on how Juror #5 came into the defense’s radar and got released. Speculation and opinion in the media seems to be that she was likely leaning more toward the prosecution and one of the other juror’s “tattled” on her for doing/saying something she shouldn’t have. Does that mean other juror’s are potentially siding with the defense and disagreed with Juror 5′s comments/opinion? Dr. Drew’s Personal Court Watcher Katie Wick who is in court everyday watching the trial said Jodi seemed obviously happy after coming out of judge’s chambers right before Juror #5 was released.
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/04/02/jodis-dad-jodi-was-strange-person
Inflammatory v probative, hearsay. If JM wants to introduce evidence of her parents opinions, he would have needed to call them, and I guarantee you it would have only helped put on the non-mental but mental defense that is being attempted currently.
It will come in should there be a penalty phase, imo.
B
I’ve read back through several of the last few comments and what I’m seeing is people questioning what mental defect Jodi ultimately has to explain her strange behavior in the interrogation room and cold and allegedly calculated actions in regard to Travis. My suspicion since the beginning was something along the lines of Borderline Personality as she has most of the DSM-IV requirements for the diagnosis (although I’m not a certified psychologist). Last night after watching the video of Jodi’s mom Sandy and father William being interviewed by detectives, Dr. Drew and his forensic psychologist (don’t remember her actual name) appear to agree Borderline definitely fits, although that might not be the end of her alleged mental defects.
Certain types of criminals seem to like viewing their handiwork after the fact (my guess is why she ever took the pictures to begin with) and appearing to want to view them with the detective is just over the top for what the average, normal person can even comprehend.
I would like to know Blink’s personal opinion on what she thinks Jodi’s mental pathology might possibly be, but I am definitely going with Borderline at the moment until more comes out. I haven’t been privy to many of the behind-the-scenes details recently coming out about some mysterious man or someone related to some lie Travis was calling Jodi out on but I’m guessing it might have something to do with why Jodi decided to finally kill him or how she decided to do it? Good Lord … what possibly could’ve been horrible enough for her to have done what she did and the brutality for which she did it? Gives me chills, but then again, thankfully I can’t identify with the way Jodi’s mind functions or this case, doesn’t.
When Flores told Jodi (in one of the interrogation videos) that her parents weren’t surprised, I figured he was using that as a technique to persuade her to come clean. It never occurred to me that he had interviewed them with THIS result! Wow. It fine tunes the Arias portrait considerably to realize her rage was out of control and of great concern to all. Travis was sitting on a powder keg and was only beginning to realize it. Those May 26, 2008 texts have everything to do with what lit her fuse, but I would like to see what it was that pushed Travis to tell her exactly what he thought of her (sociopath, worst thing to happen to me, etc) and to stay out of his life. I believe that sealed his fate. Does anyone think the prosecutor already knows what set that off and is keeping it close to the vest until closing? I sure hope so because the defense smoke and mirrors need to be countered with something concrete like a strong motive (besides Norman Bates Syndrome). I want to see Martinez challenge Laviolette, but don’t want to see him running at her and browbeating her on the stand. While I don’t mind his forceful approach, it seems like she’s the wrong person to use it on.
I have a feeling that it is tied to the outcome of an evidentiary hearing that involved allegedly forged letters.
b
@Survivor. So sorry & briefly tagging onto Blink’s only a psychiatrist personally treating her consistently can assess. Look for one highly expert in medicating mood disorders. Many aren’t It’s really in response to treatment that dx becomes clearer. Around here, particularly for young adult females which is a specialty, such would be $300+ hour, do not take insurance, & have long wait lists. But if you find & call a local true expert, they often know of a colleague in the public sector or who is cheaper & takes ins. I discovered this a couple yrs ago helping a public school parent of little means get her daughter a medicating psychiatrist/therapist.
I found this by happenstance from a folksy newsletter. The author Roger Peele headed Psychiatry & headed Training in a Federal Mental hospital for a couple decades. It is pithy & imo could apply to JA:
“You may want to discourage your clinical colleagues from diagnosing mass murders on three grounds:
1. For psychiatrists, diagnosing people one has not examined is unethical – even if they are dead
2. It stigmatizes the mentally ill. Recent statements from influential public organizations about “lunatics” and so forth are obviously very unfortunate. If a colleague is overwhelmed with a need to make a dx, you might suggest the colleague not expose their ignorance of DSM-IV-TR through selecting a dx that has no symptoms, such as Asperger’s, that could possibly be associated with murder. Probably only a dx that includes “delusions” or “hallucinations” has a chance to reach murder. And there is another possibility: Evil.
3. When all the facts are known, they will probably be shown to be wrong. Remember all the wrong diagnosing of the Texas Tower killer? You will recall he was eventually found to have a brain tumor.”
http://www.rogerpeele.com/county_updates2012.asp
As Rosé says LaV is a dear but she looks as tired of this as I am
I think she has covered most of this relationship between Jodi and Travis
I found the parents interviews real interesting I think what is really wrong with Jodi would be more interesting than all this Travis stuff
just turned on the trial to hear this expert’s assessment
“She’s getting a little steel in her backbone here.”
what a visual kmage in this case. He had the steel in the backbone.
Wilmott should quit asking questions
where the answer is unknown from this witness.
I think she better have a similar case to draw from at the end of this. If she does, I will be surprised as I did a full research press.
B
JM’s first cross Q
You said she’d gotten steel in her backbone,
did that lead her to thrust steel into his body
29 times and slit his throat with steel?
I agree he is going to start “JM style”. Depends if she interviewed her on the incident of June 4th.
B
I am appalled by JW’s absence of professionalism and decorum. Her behavior gives me the snotty high school brat shivers. And, what was that smirk to JM just prior to the Judge declaring the end of trial for the day? Jurors, take note.
Let’s see… puking, migraines, Juror #5 and now Scarlett O’Hara syndrome. Why, Rhett, I’ll just have to think about that tomorrow.
Hey! Don’t you dare taint the greatest epic cinematic masterpiece of it’s generation- I don’t see how cancelling court the day after the jury sat around most of the day and then were told #5 was excused helps to do anything but annoy them.
B
The article Sue posted from the professor is a good one. He is a teacher and in the article he requests everyone to do their own research. How much actual experience he has regarding therapy or diagnosis is not known. Every person in examination or therapy is going to be unique although some of the behaviors can be matched to those in the standard manuals.
The actual trigger IMO for Jodi traveling over a 1,000 miles under the radar to kill Travis are the text messages sent to Jodi where he indicated that if she didn’t come clean on something she made up, he would broadcast this information to all those around himself and around her. Jodi could not take this risk as it would expose her for what she really was.
As I have said previously, the act of cutting Travis’s throat was to point out to him and those who cared about him, he would never talk.
JM needs to be careful on the cross examination of Mrs. LaViolette so that the jurors do not perceive him to being mean. There are plenty of questions that could show that since she did not have access to Travis in any way other than text messages, her conclusions had to be based on what she heard from Jodi and the journals. We know that Jodi cannot tell the truth when speaking, so why should anything written in the journals be taken as truth?
Court recessed for today. Resumes tomorrow 9:30am. LV is up to March 2008…I hope she addresses the events of June 4th when Travis the abuser made Jodi slaughter him. Not funny, I know…just sick of seeing Jodi’s pathetic face.
Did Jodi’s parents ever take her to a mental health doctor?
Her Mother said in the interview with Flores that Jodi’s friends called her in the
middle of the night to tell her that Jodi needed physh help. Jodi’s mother mentioned Bi-Polar also.
I do not understand if they did not take her to be evaluated by a physchiatrist.
Both parents talk about her huge mood swings.
Weren’t they worried about Jodi, especially after the phone calls from her friends?
I can not imagine Jodi’s parents doing nothing about her mental health when there
were obvious signs.
I have a feeling that it is tied to the outcome of an evidentiary hearing that involved allegedly forged letters.
b
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Blink are you saying there were forged letters before the murder? Also does anyone know what the “pic comment to Danny Jones” was that Travis mentioned on 5/26/2008.
I know that letters were presented by Jodi and excluded at trial because they could not be authenticated. Thus the whole Hughes mess.
B
It is quite apparent (to me anyway) that Jodi’s issues with women vs men goes waaaaay back based on just the miniscule snippets of her rents interrogation tapes.
Rage/hate relationship with her mother but was sweet to her dad.
Hates/jealous of all females but chameleon manipulator with the males…
Clearly she has been unstable since early youth..defiant towards discipline and authority, can not even deal with not being center of attention, any form of rejection is unacceptable. ..and of course anything bad that happens to her or any time she doesn’t get what she wants it’s OBVIOUSLY someone else’s fault… Bat S*@# Crazy is the best Dx I can come up with…
I think today’s sudden onset of west avian eboli that Alyce came down with today was just another delay tactic and annoying (IF she is ill..get better soon plz)
I would like to see the entire interrogation tapes of the rents…morbid curiosity to get a glimpse of how they deal with this I suppose.
Curiosity also piqued about the 600+ pages of journal entries NG has supposedly
Found Jodi’s “record of offenses” while incarcerated interesting as well…
Re Arias mental disorders:
Anyone who kills anyone under the circumstances Arias killed Travis is mentally disordered, aren’t they? She didn’t plead insanity, so that she could be considered rational when she was testifying. And If the Defense WANTS the jury to come to the conclusion that she is just a victim of mental instability caused by circumstances beyond her control.
Self Defense has to be accompanied by ” duty to retreat” being foiled- and so far nothing presented, except LaViolette’s theories of ” why women stay” offers a reason why Arias did not take the opportunity to retreat- and ” staying in a relationship”, if you buy LaViolette with regard to Arias, is a lot different than ” staying” in order to shoot someone, stab them, slit their throat instead of going down the stairs and away from someone else’s house where you were” just stopping by” on your way to Utah.
Self defense also has to meet the standard of “what would a reasonable person do in the same circumstances,” amended in THIS case to “when the reasoning has been altered ( by alleged abuse)” That is where LaViolette comes in again- BUT LaViolette is not an expert in women who kill.
So she has a concept of how people SHOULD behave in order to be NON abusive. LaViolette’s practice is aimed at educating people about and TREATING domestic violence perpetrators and their victims while they are both alive. in this capacity, she talks to both sides, and bases her opinions on her own point of view. But Travis is dead, and she knows only Arias side. And Arias is a liar.Does this illustrates bias?- Seriously, I’d like to be educated.
As a counsellor, LaViolette has experience in altering the way couples/ individuals interact by using techniques in order to diffuse and eliminate domestic violence. Her ” thing” is to end the violence and abuse. And she is on a mission to do so. How many times do we have to hear her generalize and lecture about it, instead of just saying yes or no. (Wilmot, promoting this kind of testimony could get you a job as a producer/consultant for Law and Order SVU, they love long winded witnesses)
Where in her background is experience with a woman who killed under the circumstances Arias did? She may well have this kind of experience, but so far she has not cited any other examples of how this specific behavior she is discussing have led to homicide.
Its as simple ( lol) as asking her ” how often have you proven that a naked man in a shower posed a threat to the life of a visitor to his house who them shot stabbed and slit his throat? How often has you porven a man was an abuser without ever talking him or anyone who could corroborate that he was afraid of his killer before she killed him?” I truly wish I could find the cases she has testified on before- but she doesn’t identify them fully, or cite case numbers on her CV. Wonder why not. Don’t transcripts of cases become public ( or at least accessible via case law sites) sooner or later? Why hide victories, if her expert testimony succeeded in getting someone lowered charges or acquitted? She’s very very VERY proud of her other accomplishments and goes into infinite detail about them, why not include the case numbers?
As far as her mission, goes, if you watch her on youtube- easy to find two of the lectures she has given- she takes a lot of pride in her version of ” no bad people, just bad decisions ” approach for helping perps and victims of domestic violence.
She tells a story in one lecture about counselling a hired killer. She jovially recounts that he came to the session one day and said he had made a change, ( therapy worked!) and he not killed some one he was hired to. Then he adds he had gotten someone else to do it instead. She gets a BIG laugh from the audience when she adds that she is happy with that little step he has taken, saying her ” standards are pretty low”.
The point is that this woman will be the first to tell you that she is THE authority in defining what abuse is, and SHE is the compassionate one one who has the answers to changing this behavior. I know I am in the minority, but I don’t like her passive aggressive ” I am a compassionate friendly people person, but don’t even THINK of challenging me”" style. I look forward to watching her response to Martinez’s scrutiny.
Martinez vs. LaViloette, hypothetical
IF Martinez is aggressive, and IF Laviolette accuses him of that, it gives him an opportunity to illustrate that just because someone raises their voice or acts aggressively, that does not mean they are a threat to someones life. There no proof of Travis life threatening violence except for words from Arias lying mouth and emails that were written angrily in response to her actions. And as far as emails go, the threat that Travis made to Arias was not to kill her, it was to tell everyone about Arias crazy acts….. written just before she slit his throat.
LaViolette is obviously aware of Martinez prosecutorial style. MAYBE having LaViolette accuse Martinez of being overly aggressive would illustrate just how biased she is. It would give him an opportunity to ask, ” do you consider it abusive to be enraged at the injustice of Travis Alexander’s murder”
Every culture needs voices that illuminate injustice. But the defense is perverting LaViolette’s message by engaging this , imo, rather altruistic, champion of abuse victims rights to fullfill their strategy that Arias is the victim, not Travis. And she is colluding with them, so far. Making her sick evidently, but still…
AND- so sorry for length of this- but have to add I think the defense is reading this site. They stopped color coordinating right after it was discussed here!
From what I’ve been hearing court was cancelled because AL was ill. May be a short week for testimony.
The one thing that clearly proves to me that she was not a victim of abuse was her behavior on cross.
You know how an abused dog cowers shrinks away and shakes when they are approached, you know kind of wary? I would think that a REAL dv victim would have some of those same characteristics when being cross examined by someone displaying the ferocity that Juan did at times…but did we see that? ABSOLUTELY NOT! We saw the complete opposite..puffed out her (purchased chest) and behaved like a defiant brat
Her behavior on the stand during cross would have been clear evidence to me that her defense was a complete sham if I was a juror…after seeing that it wouldn’t have mattered how many clowns and experts they paraded across the stand, there is nothing they could say that would undo what I had witnessed by the defendant herself. ….
I also think that the defense team had zero choice in pleading self defense versus temp insanity or heat of passion because Jodi would not even consider anything other than self defense.
She stated on many occasions that she was concerned about her reputation and what others would think of her and the “shame”…there is no way in hell she would have been willing to say she was temporarily insane..she would not accept the stigma thst comes with that and the damage it could potentially do to her precious reputation.
That is the same reason we know it wasn’t self defense. .if it truly was, like I have said before, she would have milked that for all she could.. it would have been Surivor: The Jodi Arias Story..she would have been all omg it was terrible I am so lucky I was able to survive, look at what I went through, listen to my tragic story of how I had to fight for my life…she would have capitalized on every single opportunity for attention.
She is one sick twisted and demented woman…totes warped! !
Drops mic…
@ Blink & Rose – I hate to take anything away from Travis and seeking justice on his behalf so not too much on O/T either. I was just taken aback at the article. I heard, “she’s an adult” so many times, I wanted to scream. Those who “treated her” only met with her for about 3-4 hours over a four day period and the SW who told me to check out BPD online had never even talked with her outside of representing the state to keep her hospitalized. (“She’s an extreme danger to herself and others” – and the doctor released her 15 hours later. But he can’t talk to family because she’s an adult and she didn’t want to be in the hospital. Attempted suicide and ticked off that she was going to be in the hospital for her birthday. Yep – I did remind her she didn’t expect to be alive for her birthday at all. I couldn’t resist.) She won’t seek treatment now. She won’t take her meds. She called me yesterday to “rat” out her brother on something and then it was 15 minutes of how great she is taking care of herself and her affairs. (Mind you this followed a call from last week asking for money – again.) I can’t force her into treatment or medication. I just saw a lot of her in the descriptions and examples. I do appreciate your input and understand what you are saying. Sorry to be so long.
I can’t verify if this is authentic or not…if true….. Whoa.
re: juror # 5
http://media2.abc15.com/html/pdf/Juror5.pdf
Not what I expected. At all.
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/jodi-arias-trial-update-juror-kicked-off-trial-issues-statement
Statement from juror 5.
https://twitter.com/sdruckerman/status/319607998584602624/photo/1
The non-statement statement. When will people ever learn to get representation? No disrespect, but this woman was removed from a jury for cause.
People should give her privacy but she posts her name? Puh-lease.
B
fairly recent, fwiw.
http://digitalcommons.pepperdine.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2090&context=plr