Jodi Arias Trial: In Her Own Words.. How I Killed Travis Alexander With HIS Gun and HIS Knife
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Phoenix, Arizona- In today’s highly anticipated morning testimony, Jodi Arias finally “gets there”.
After weeks of what can only be described as the dog ate my defense testimony led by Kirk Nurmi, Jodi Arias explains the events leading up to and during the murder of Travis Alexander.
Arias describes an irate and menacing Travis who bounds from the shower, causing her to drop his new camera and pouncing on her, knocking her to the wet tile floor.
“ A five year old can hold a camera better than you.” Arias stated Alexander screamed at her among other threatening expletives while she struggled to break free.
She then ran to the master bedroom closet and apparently using the Spiderman techniques she absorbed via osmosis from the alleged Valentines gift, retrieved a gun she claimed Travis owned over two feet out of her reach while he was sprinting behind her.
She pointed the gun at him, did not realize it went off and then Travis, still coming at her, stumbles to his knees on the now bloody tile beneath him. ( Editors Note: As I have always said, I believe the order of this injury is true and is important to the charges against her)
Enter gratuitous memory gap.
“I have no memory of stabbing him.” – Jodi Arias
Although Arias admits to having flash backs, she states she cannot remember any other details with the exception of her crouched in the bathroom covered in blood and drops a knife she believes was upstairs used by Travis to cut ropes he used to tie her up to the bed.
She did however, have the presence of mind to grab the ropes, the gun, apparently removes and loses her shoes and has no idea what happened to the knife she used to stab Alexander 29 times and slit his neck from ear to ear.
Next memory she is driving in the desert with the gun she alleges was Travis’s when she pitches it out the window at a random location, then puts the ropes in a dumpster behind a gas station and washes blood off her hands.
Pause for Arias innocuous driving babble and road scenery.
“Why didn’t you call 911 and tell them what happened?” Kirk Nurmi asks his sniffling but tearless client.
” …He attacked you, why did you feel You messed up pretty badly?”
“This time it was different, he had done it before and nothing happened, it was heightened.” Responded Arias.
While approaching a check point in Utah, she feels like she will be apprehended there.
Arias decided to do a “whole bunch of things” to cover up she was ever there.
So .. “I called his phone to leave a voice mail”. For nearly 16 minutes she says she tried numerous times to leave a cheery voice mail to ask as if she was not present in Alexander’s home.
“I just thought they would be listening to his voice mail, so I just thought it would throw the scent off for a while.”
– Jodi Arias
Yes, she actually said that on the stand. Defense Attorney Kirk Nurmi was observed writing a note to co-counsel Jennifer Wilmott to send an assistant out to Sam’s for an industrial size supply of Tums.
I made that part up. Testimony continues following jury lunch break.
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lyla says:
April 21, 2013 at 1:24 pm
Are we settled on the gunshot wound was first, stabbing second or vice versa?
Was Travis standing or sitting when he was shot?
How do you think the prosecution will lay out the evidence in closing?
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Defense says gunshot first.
Flores initially said gunshot first, but then retracted that saying he had made a mistake in interpreting the ME’s report, which says stab first.
I hope the prosecution can lay out their case with a very clear presentation of forensic analysis of blood patterns and sequence of events.
I think they are relying heavily on the ability of the jury to put together the circumstantial evidence.
re: the gun:
I beleive Arias stole her grandfathers gun.
BUT
It is hard to prove that Travis didn’t have a gun, because in Arizona you aren’t reuqired to have a liscence per se. I don’t know if anyone was able to find purchase receipts.
Here is link to gun laws in Arizona:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Arizona
The ME report does not say that Travis was fatally stabbed first, just to clarify.
B
The crime scene is open to interpretation. The bullet casing was on top of congealed blood. Doesn’t that indicate at least some of the stab wounds came first?
It is, but forensic interpretation, mostly. As an example, you said the casing was on top of congealed blood. It is directly below the sink where there is clear and distinct blood patterns from a person bleeding moderately to profusely. Unfortunately, on it’s own, the casing on the floor where we know it was compromised via water is secondary transfer evidence at best.
I do not believe the crime scene shows, nor do i find it logical that Jodi Arias is going to overpower this man with a knife and exact those wounds and walk away with a bent finger or cut or whatever the hell her story is.
Don’t take my word for it- consider this. Does it makes sense to you that although EVERY person interviewed by Flores in the hours after he was found was pointing at Arias, he has a phone conversation with her where he is telling her things that no det should tell a possible suspect?? He repeatedly says there is no way just one or even two people could have done this.
My point- in reality, although everyone is pointing a finger at her, the scene does NOT depict that offender victim scenario without the gsw first to impair him. It just doesn’t.
B
She had to compromise him, and
@whodunnit, thanks for the link you posted. One of the things listed is if the other person retreats. I would also have to say that the stab wounds to the back would definately indicate he was trying to retreat. Even IF he did get mad about the camera and attacked her first.
As for the gun, I agree that she stole it. Yes her grandparents would have loaned it to her but then it would be known that she brought a gun. Staging a theft of the gun would be the only way she could have brought a gun without anyone linking it to her. Defense also said one or more of her friends had guns that she could have borrowed from. Borrowing a gun from anyone could be linked to her. This is one thing that makes me think pre med. It is not just a coincedence to me. Same with the gas cans. That to me says pre med.
Some have commented about Travis being mean etc. yes I would agree to a point. It was a two way street. However, I do not think he was mean until she had provoked him. From my own experience with a stalker/ex-husband, while still married, many times I looked like the mean one. Yes I was mean and totally agree it did look that way to others. But…what people did not see was the non stop fighting where he kept me up all night long (only allowing a couple hours of sleep if sleep came) and made me physically ill. One fight lasted 3 solid weeks every waking moment that I was not at work because I ate the last piece of bologna. Not going to get into all that I experienced, just making a point that there is probably a lot we do not know and things can look different from the outside looking in when someone does not have all the info. But what we do know about what she did to him (prior to killing him) to me is provocation. How nice was he supposed to be to her when she invaded every bit of his privacy. Myspace, bank accounts, phone, texts, his home, following him, peering into his windows, slashing tires, etc. etc. etc. It is not just what he told his friends. I do recall testimony from Mimi in fact that they had been followed on their first date. Others witnessed her stalking behavior as well. The only claims that cannot be corroborated are the ones that Jodi is making, ie. the abuse (physical) and the pedo activities. To me he was not abusive, she was. Claiming he is a pedophillia, is just disgusting just to try to save her own skin. If he truly abused her and if this truly were self defense, then that would have been her story from the beginning.
I for one will be biting my nails when this finally goes to the jury to deliberate. Especially because I missed the states case and really do not know what all they have to consider. I only have a piece of the puzzle. Still I do know what makes sense to me based on what I do know.
Elizabeth says:
April 21, 2013 at 2:05 pm
Oh my Mom3 where do I begin?
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I could not vote for death in this case because this was between two consenting adults that ‘did each other wrong’. I see blame on each side even though social media has almost delegated Travis to Sainthood at this point!
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I know the jury is not allowed to reach a verdict until all the evidence is in and they deliberate but I do believe by now the jury has made up it’s mind.
I think their verdict will depend on a lot of different things. If the killing of Travis was unjustified and heinous Jodi will get LWOP…maybe death. If they think ‘Frankie and Johnie were Lovers’ they will give her Second Degree.
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Hi Mom3.0 and Elizabeth,
I hope you don’t mind me jumping in on your conversation about the death penalty, but your discussion, as well as any other discussions here or elsewhere in regard to the death penalty, have me questioning my understanding of it as it relates to trial.
I guess i feel like when the death penalty is discussed, that people put the cart before the horse, so to speak. I think i have been misunderstanding it for some time now. ( I guess you could liken my understanding of it to that of the foul shot in basketball, (and i think it depends on the type of foul made where they get the “1 and 1″ or whatever it’s called) but anyway, it’s the one where if they make the first foul shot, they get to take the second. if they miss the first one, they don’t get to take a second). Stop laughing basketball wizards! Ok, so I thought that 1. A trial is SOLELY to establish guilt or innocence for whatever a defendant has been charged with. If the defendant IS found guilty, then 2. the jurors move on to a penalty phase ‘trial’ to determine what penalty will be imposed.
So many discussions have the 2 intertwined. Is it all done in one trial? I’m so confused.
Sott- if you don’t mind I thought I would take the burden from who and Mom3.0, although they could certainly weigh in.
Legally speaking, this is a death penalty or capital case. So in essence, yes, the guilt phase comes first, and the penalty after, but BECAUSE it is a capital case, certain changes and or legal parameters change the vior dire process. In other words, a person has to able to find for a dp verdict or open to it or discuss other potential hardships during the jury selection phase.
I will say that criminal statues on DP cases vary by state, and AZ has not sequestered a jury in 20 years, and the law for all principals in this case is very different in some I have seen. (ie: as a new private practice atty, Nurmi would be excluded in some states to try this case first chair, etc).
B
@whodunnit. Imo if Travis had a gun someone besides JA would’ve known it. He would’ve shown it to a buddy, or consulted an experienced gunowner on its use, or told a housemate, or his sib(s), just in chatter.
Too weird with such a social guy only she knew it.
If Travis had a gun he would have shot her with it thinking she was intruder on more than one occasion. That said, the .25 is a pee-shooter compared to some of the weapons I have seen him fire.
Yet another snafu by the prosecution in this case- anyone remember Ms. Arias gun training? Seems to me that would have been important information
B.
@Blink. Did she go for gun training?
(johnny come lately here)
In her interview she states she had been at target training with a CHP friend, and that she bought her new gun from his shop.
Record scratch.
Would seem a good idea to exclude or verify, no?
B
Yet another snafu by the prosecution in this case- anyone remember Ms. Arias gun training? Seems to me that would have been important information
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What I remember (my memory is not what it once was lol), but I believe she said she was familiar to the point where an ex beau showed her the safety, and other features of a typical gun but had never fired one (prior to killing Travis). Is that what you remember? Or am I missing something? Or…
Incorrect, she went to target practice.
B
Detective Flores may very well be the source of the Ninja story concocted by Jodi. She could have thought that since he thought it could not be done by only one person, that she would build her story around that piece of information. Remember, Jodi called and talked with law enforcement several times. She is a snoop and her method of determining what is going on is what ever she thinks she could get away with. In addition, she did not seem to be bothered by being caught in her snooping.
Other than the bleeding into the airway by the shot that was reflected by bone in the forehead, could there have been damage to the right eye and the optic nerve that would have made Travis blind on the right side? I don’t recall anything from the autopsy report that indicated possible partial blindness.
Travis would have been in some pain from the force of the bullet into the forehead and the loss of sight in the right eye would have prevented him from being able to protect himself from the knife.
The little 25 cal. auto pistol would have discharged the spent casing to the right. It could have landed on the sink counter and later been knocked onto the floor where it landed on the blood.
While the so called time line of the attack has been stated to be 62 seconds, and that is a long time for a continued attack, I think it went on for a longer period than that with interruptions from time to time.
Yes! Blink. I do remember Arias’ gun training versus her later catching herself during jury questions:
Jury: “Have you ever had any firearms training or fired a .25-caliber pistol prior to this event?”
Arias: “I have never fired a gun but am relatively familiar with them.”
On a subsequent occasion, she remarked that she had never had formal gun training.
This set me off, however, I couldn’t recall… thought it was MM that showed her how to use a gun? I could be incorrect but cannot find the link… the same MM to whom she attempted to send messages from jail? Oh, goodness, maybe that’s why he didn’t want to be filmed and whispered his responses on the stand, maybe he is shocked as to the occurrences that led up to Travis’ killing as he looks back in hindsight.
Can someone help with the link to Arias speaking about an ex-bf teaching her to fire?
I don’t have the link at my disposal, but it was in the Flores interview after her arrest.
B
Ok one more thought I am having reading along. Does it make sense that a girl would steal her grandfathers gun and then kill her lover with said gun?
Wasn’t there testimony that she bought another gun after the killing of Travis for a trip to the desert.
If she was gun savy and knew how to buy guns and shoot guns wouldn’t this smart gilr have chosen something other than grandpa’s 25?
Now that I think about it I am kind of surprised the defense hasn’t brought that up!
Jodi’s grandfather was a hunter and sportsman. The area of California around Yreka is rural with plenty of opportunity to hunt game of all types. The grandfather is old enough to have served in Korea and maybe the last two years of WWII.
Jodi could have been taught by her grandfather to shoot. If he had military training, he would know the important things to teach her.
http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-arias-trial-does-jodi-arias-have-borderline-personality-disorder/
Here we go again. I wanted to post for more pondering…..I have to say that this may be a more fitting description of her. It explains the pathological lying and a few other things that didn’t seem to fit BPD.
I completely agree. This round peg is a jello rhomboid.
B
Arias talks about guns here (at 80:50), but no talk about target practice:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50144091n
b
writes:
The ME report does not say that Travis was fatally stabbed first, just to clarify.
B
It is my understanding that the defense and the State disagree, that State is maintaing Travis was not shot with the gun befoe any stabbing took place…
and
No, the ME report does not say he was fatally stabbed first.
I just re-read the ME report, and yes it says that he died as a result of deep force trauma to neck and chest.
But I recall that defense wanted to impeach Flores for saying that the stabs came first, and that somewhere around that time, I read information saying that the gunshot wound itself appeared in a way to signify that the heart was not pumping when he received the shot. I will try to find the flores testimony on line, see if I can corrobate my recollection!
With fond admiration who- there is nothing that exists that could indicate Travis’s heart was not pumping when he was shot based on that protocol.
B
Here is a linkk to the article which includes States position that stabbing occured first
http://www.azcentral.com/community/mesa/articles/20130110jodi-arias-trial-defense-accuses-detective-perjury.html
excerpt ( copy and paste) from link I posted april 21, 9;16 p.m.:
- The complete link is in my previous posting, but here is the pertinant excerpt from azcentral.com————————-
In his opening statements Jan. 2, Deputy County Attorney Juan Martinez told the jury that Arias first stabbed Alexander, then slit his throat and put a bullet in his head after he was already dead.
The difference in the sequence of events could mean the difference between life and death for Arias. If Arias put a bullet in Alexander to finish him off, it could make her self-defense claim less likely. And it would heighten the perception that Arias acted with premeditation instead of the kind of blind rage that could result in a second-degree- murder verdict.
On Tuesday, Medical Examiner Kevin Horn testified that the gunshot likely would have incapacitated Alexander, making it unlikely he fought back. Because Alexander had extensive defensive cuts on his arms and legs, he obviously put up a fight. Therefore, Horn said, it was unlikely he was shot first. And Horn denied ever speaking to Flores about the sequence of wounds
Understood. This is a reporters account. As a point- defensive cuts on arms and legs?
He had neither as described as defensive wounds, and the only defensive wounds described as such were on his hands/meta phalanges and palm regions.
I could bust that statement apart alone, it is that irresponsible.
Horn could never prove or disprove the sequence of events of a body in it’s 5th day of decomp which considered no medico legal investigative information. Everyone knows the report was redacted of the full autopsy protocol? In short, it means there is no integration of crime scene forensic intel considered in terms of sequence of events and truth be told, that is not his job as the neutral in the scenario.
B
Elizabeth says:
April 21, 2013 at 7:55 pm
Ok one more thought I am having reading along. Does it make sense that a girl would steal her grandfathers gun and then kill her lover with said gun?
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My take on this is that it makes no more sense than her borrowing a gun to go kill someone. Now on the other hand, if you do not want anyone to know or find out that you intend to kill someone, you just might make it look like a theft so that you cannot be linked to the gun. Grandparents house was supposedly robbed about a week before she killed him, and just a couple of days after his e-mail calling her out. This speaks pre med to me.
Oh and many other guns/rifles, money etc. were available for the taking but were not. Seems odd to me the only weapon stolen was the same calibur used to kill travis. A few other misc. items were taken as well.
Sue
After reading your link, we have to consider the background given in the link regarding the amount of time beyond school and experience that someone has in classification of behavior. The article indicated that a person with Antisocial Personality Disorder is much more dangerous that one with BPD.
I posted some time ago that Jodi is IMO a unique in the classification of disorders. She seems to have behaviors across several of them. IMO the least of them is PTSD.
Blinks classification of a jello rhomboid, although non-scientific, appears to fit Jodi very well. So what is a rhomboid? It is a geometric figure with unequal parallel sides. If it were made of jello, it would be capable of changing the sides constantly and it would make it impossible to know its shape or behavior.
Our Blink has one big vocabulary and she uses it well.
The daily pressures of life do not compute well in Jodi’s world of disorder. Therefore, the crazy drive for her own desires regardless of the realities of the situation. And the type of behavior that is shown during the video of the interrogation by Flores.
Blink writes, re on line article re- interpretng the statemenst about sequence of events:
Understood. This is a reporters account. As a point- defensive cuts on arms and legs?
He had neither as described as defensive wounds, and the only defensive wounds described as such were on his hands/meta phalanges and palm regions.
I could bust that statement apart alone, it is that irresponsible.
Horn could never prove or disprove the sequence of events of a body in it’s 5th day of decomp which considered no medico legal investigative information. Everyone knows the report was redacted of the full autopsy protocol? In short, it means there is no integration of crime scene forensic intel considered in terms of sequence of events and truth be told, that is not his job as the neutral in the scenario.
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VERY good points, and much appreciated!
I know you have maintained consistantly that one of your concerns is that the State has overcharged Arias. And I also have felt that the forensics are missing in the States, woefully. Paraphrasing something you said a while ago, (in conjunction with explaining why this site is not one that condones or allows any kind of ” mob” denigration) we amateurs need to find the holes and figure out out to fill them.
I have gone back to the opening statements, and am trying to track them through. The States case as presented so far is not water tight, except to those who disregard everything Arias says based on the fact that she is a liar. The defense has gotten their wedge in the works.
Unless Martinez does a turn around, he will have to stick to the stab first theory he presented in opening statement. I am looking for ANYTHING I can grasp to go with that.
I do think the State has disproved two key basis for Arias claim of self defense ( abuse, fog).
It’s a tie between whether or not Travis started the attack only IF you believe Arias.
State is relying ( too much?) on discrediting Arias and every one who speaks on her behalf.
To ME, the fact that she has lied so blatantly and so often is enough for me to discredit everything she says.( I beleive part of what the judge traditionally instructs the jury is ” you can discredit any or all of the testimony any witness who has not told the truth” or words to that effect)
As much as I HATE saying this, because I do believe that girl is guilty of pre med as defined by Arizona law., proving his case is gonna take Martinez’ best work in the coming days.
In the last few days I have been reviewing early testimony as well.
The fiber/tassel/rope exchange if this were not such a serious matter would be laughable. At Flores direction, these remnants, in some cases at multiple locations throughout the bathroom soaked in blood, on the steps and on the track of the shower, were NOT collected and sent for testing.
Flores responded to that by saying their lab does not do that, it would need to be sent out. I was on the floor. Martinez re-direct was equally as ridiculous. The jury response was my first indication they may have a problem trusting evidence in this case.
B
blink writes:
In her interview she states she had been at target training with a CHP friend, and that she bought her new gun from his shop.
Record scratch.
Would seem a good idea to exclude or verify, no?
B
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I am wondering if State discarded this because it could be argued that this was a previous act, that presenting it would fall under predjudice, that engaging in target practice in and of itself was not wrong at the time. And of course they would have to corroborate what she had said with someone else, and she doesn’t remember who it was, on and on and on. She also said conflicting things about guns, said she was scared of them had never even touched a gun blah blah blah
Arias said ALOT of things about guns during interrogation and testimony- about how she never shot a gun ( interrogation), was scared of guns, ( interrogation) bought a gun ( 9mm , interrogation and testimony), was told by her grandfather never to point a gun at anyone ( testimony, her reason that because of this, she thought “pointing the gun at Travis would make him stop” )
I HOPE that the target practice was checked out and considered a wash, otherwise, yea, does seemed to have been overlooked.
Blink-
This might provide further info for why Arias statements about target practice have not been presented in States case against her
arizona law concerning evidence, including on that site is a link to updated statutes:
http://www.arizonacrimelaws.com/e404.htm
Pam I respectfully disagree. If I was planning on committing a murder I would not steal my grandpa’s, with whom I am living, gun and drive all that way to kill my lover. I would have a clean gun with no trace of family or friends. MOO
You would always be connected to that gun and Jodi is way to smart for that.
That is why I don’t believe Jodi took the gun to murder Travis. I think Jodi liked to ‘carry’ and felt safe with the weapon and the more I write I don’t even think Jodi stole the gun from grandpa. I believe that a coincidence.
I think she might have been familiar with the 25 and that is the kind she bought!
My thought for this morning do you think the jury will give Jodi some slack since she seems a bit off?
Elizabeth says:
April 22, 2013 at 7:27 am
Pam I respectfully disagree. If I was planning on committing a murder I would not steal my grandpa’s, with whom I am living, gun and drive all that way to kill my lover. I would have a clean gun with no trace of family or friends. MOO
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Elizabeth, I certainly respect your opinion and can agree to disagree. To me the gun “stolen” from her grandparents is about as clean as it gets for her. There is no “proof” that she committed the robbery. I am not so sure she is smart enough to know where to go to get a clean gun that is not traceable to anyone in her circle. Even saying that, there is a risk that person could come forward to say he/she sold a gun to her. Likewise I think that person would have talked her into something bigger that would be sure to do the job. Plus she supposedly could not afford anything.
As for your thought for this morning, I am not sure how off she appears to the jury. She is more off to us because we have been privy to the videos that they have not seen. I hope they do not give her slack in the guilt phase, they possibly could during the penalty phase. They could during the guilt phase too, I just hope they do not.
This is what makes me feel pre med was involved. This girl was filled with anger after that last argument with travis which set her off.
First and important reason that I see premeditation is this:
Why does a person with no money, who states in her testimony not being able to afford certain things, plan a trip that is obviously going to take a hunk of change. WHY????????????
If she wants to use the reasons of taking baby pictures, then that would have surely happened. Those arrangements would have been made by the mother of the child. She then says that call comes to late. This trip was planned on a whim. It wasn’t a trip she had been waiting for. If so, she would have saved money to take it and a certain day and time would for sure have been planed for these pictures to be taken.
… It was mentioned that she had to go back to Darrel’s to give him a remote control. Could it be she sold him a piece of equipment for money.
I was wondering if in any of the nude pictures that were taken, does it look as if her nails were done?
She supposedly has no money for the trip, but has her nails done. Was this just an alibi for being in that location. I beleive so.
She wants to place herself on the 101 which goes Deep South Cali, I believe she uses the baby taking pictures for being in that location, which does not happen because this trip was planned on a whim. She has to come up with a reason for being in that area when questioned by police. In her testimony she mentions that she has to take the 101 all the way south because there isn’t another highway to cross going east which places her in the right position to travel east to arizona.
There is absolutely no other reason for this trip but to head to arizona
She uses who she can before, along the way, and after for resources or alibi. Making them feel the love with her presence. They are suckered and used in her web
Elizabeth, I respect your opinion and it terrifies me that the jury may see it your way and let a woman like this back on the streets. She is a jealous out of control stalker that could possibly involve herself with another man and do the same thing if she doesn’t have his undivided attention… I pray for societies sake that she is locked up behind bars without the possibility of parole or death.
If she was scared for her life she would have gotten out of that house after she shot him and broke loose. The way she describes she had a clear opportunity…. Travis was unclothed, and I very seriously doubt that he would have chases her out the home.
It is also hard to believe that a couple that dated for such a short amount of time would have created horrible DV as she tries to impose.
Everyone has their ways and no one is perfect and travis may have done his share,
But if he would have violently hit her she would have pictures to prove it. She was obviously obsessed with him by peeking in windows etc, and her jealousy would for sure had lead her to take pictures of any abuse to destroy him but she has none.
whodunnit says:
April 22, 2013 at 12:04 am
“To ME, the fact that she has lied so blatantly and so often is enough for me to discredit everything she says.( I beleive part of what the judge traditionally instructs the jury is ” you can discredit any or all of the testimony any witness who has not told the truth” or words to that effect)
As much as I HATE saying this, because I do believe that girl is guilty of pre med as defined by Arizona law., proving his case is gonna take Martinez’ best work in the coming days.”
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Amen! The glaring truth is the crux of the case as presented by the defense is based on Jodi’s lies. I believe that weighs heavily with the jury.
@Sue. thank you for sharing
http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-arias-trial-does-jodi-arias-have-borderline-personality-disorder/
Excellent. The reason why Dr S’s PD-NOS was the more professional diagnosis in this forensic capital case.
Dr D needs to appreciate Court is not a brown bag case presentation.
Elizabeth, I was referring to the jury thinking certain aspects were coincidences. Just clarifying.
Questions from the jurors to Jodi and her responses regarding her lies.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/07/jodi-arias-why-should-we-believe-you_n_2833118.html
I haven’t been around for a bit, but one piece of evidence caught my attention. I wonder why they included the Travis business card in the linen closet. There were plenty of things in that closet, but that card was numbered and collected as evidence. Another thing that sticks in my mind is the duct tape, found on the floor in front of the washer. It, too, was numbered and collected but never mentioned thus far in the trial. Anybody heard anything about these items?
Surely hoping they wrap this up soon, my home is due for spring cleaning and I have business trips to tend to. This trial has seriously cut into my “spare” time. I also noticed there’s another Elizabeth posting here–waving hi to the other Elizabeth.
Just heard that defense is asking Court to be allowed to present surrebuttal. They are also asking for lesser included offenses.
Yes, and I think they stand a substantive chance of getting that request.
B
Rose says:
April 22, 2013 at 10:14 am
@Sue. thank you for sharing
http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-arias-trial-does-jodi-arias-have-borderline-personality-disorder/
Excellent. The reason why Dr S’s PD-NOS was the more professional diagnosis in this forensic capital case.
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@Rose, I wouldn’t necessarily call it a more professional diagnosis (dx), but – from what we have seen and heard – I agree that Personality Disorder: NOS (not otherwise specified) may be a more appropriate dx for this very complicated defendant. Also, did you catch how quickly the defense had Samuels gloss over the PD dx during his testimony? It went by in a blinding flash, iirc.
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P.S. Blink, I am trying to honor your request and not use too many acronyms and abbreviations.
Sincerely appreciated Grace although I am probably the worst offender- we are a teaching blog after all, lol
B
Hi Back Elizabeth. I have posted under this name since the Morgan Harrington murder and am back again.
I thought I was seeing things when there was a post, not mine, under Elizabeth.
Blink if you would like me to change my name I would be glad to do that not to confuse anybody with our posts.
By the way. I have always believed that Jodi should get LWOP. She killed him and that is fair… circumstances be damned.
In my posts I am thinking of things the jury might be considering. I hope that is not confusing to anybody.
Nope, in fairness you were here first, I will ask the other Elizabeth to consider an adjunct or alternative.
B
HLN reporting defense has asked for surrebuttal. Also for lesser charges.
So a motion was filed for instructions to jury to include lesser charge of manslaughter for sudden quarrel/and or heat of passion. Seems to me this discredits their orignal defense of self-defense. Also surrebuttal requested.
The defense wants to call in another Psychologist to rebut DeMarte’s BPD diagnosis.
[...] the best psychological witness presented at trial, Dr. Janeen DeMarte, clinical psychologist, took the stand last week as the first witness in the State of Arizona’s rebuttal case in the trial of Jodi Arias [...]
Thought I would help out with the charges against Arias, the sentencing and penalty phase and how those work:
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/02/13/arias-sentencing
here I go again, outside the box….. apologies upfront for rasbbit holes…
Any possibility that the blood deposit on the carpet at entrance to bedroom could have come from Arias removing her blood soaked clothes there?
Can I ask that we move to the latest piece for the sake of continuity if you would not mind?
No chance. But very good question. It would have had to be ruled out before they had a suspect.
B
Revised jury instructions posted on fb state vs. jodi arias. There are over 300 pages but page 55 covers self defense, page 105 covers manslaughter by sudden quarrel or heat of passion, and page 109 covers 1st degree pre med. Note the vergage regarding sudden quarrel or heat of passion in the instructions for 1st degree pre med. If sudden quarrel or heat of passion then not pre med basically.
http://www.azbar.org/media/292098/2011_cumulative_supplement.pdf
blink writes :
Can I ask that we move to the latest piece for the sake of continuity if you would not mind?
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you got it, see you there.
Sott sees blame on both sides. Blame for what? This trial did not come about because two lovers may have TREATED EACH OTHER badly.
Who can justify one of them slaughtering the other?
Miss Pill,
I think i may not have been clear with my post, if the one you are referring to is the one regarding my questions on the trials where the death penalty is on the table. The intention of my post was simply to clarify for myself that there are 2 phases to the trial. The guilt/innocence phase, and then if needed, the penalty phase.
You stated that ‘SOTT sees blame on both sides….’. I am not sure what you mean by that. The only thing i can think is that you read the snipped part of Elizabeth’s post that i ‘highlighted’ in my response.
the irony. analyst “Beth” was just on NGrace saying JA’s face had sagged over time,
while imo a face lift hx had propelled hers upward. forgive me; levity is hard to find.
Now feeling bad about my catty comment. But after many minutes of commercials to find this highly paid
expert’s best analysis was a defendant’s face sagged over time? It seems they’re all running away from forensic
analysis except Blink.
@rose
Except 2. Jose Baez and Linda Baden. IMO Baden would have her 2nd high profile acquittal of recent fame under her belt if was her case and the state presented the same case in chief. No doubt in my mind.
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[...] AZ- In the 4 month long trial of Jodi Ann Arias for the murder of her brief boyfriend Travis Victor Alexander, the jury deliberating since last [...]
From notafanofjuanmartinez:
“Personally, because of mishaps in the prosecution, I see her getting life in prison in ARIZONA. That, friends, is an ugly place. Perhaps that will be justice served?”
So, just so I fully understand the above quote from notafanofjuanmartinez; being in a maximum security prison cell, say, in Hawaii would be much better than in Arizona? Why would that be? Does the cinder blocks, concrete and steel bars look different?