Jodi Arias Trial Rebuttal Winds Down: Fog, Fugue, Freed or Fraud- Are The Sex Pics From Months Before Travis Alexander’s Murder? Do They Show Arias Broke In?
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Phoenix, AZ- Arguably the best psychological witness presented at trial, Dr. Janeen DeMarte, clinical psychologist, took the stand last week as the first witness in the State of Arizona’s rebuttal case in the trial of Jodi Arias for the murder of Travis Alexander.
In stark contrast to her previous behavior in court, Jodi Arias refused to look at Dr. DeMarte on the stand, and feverishly took notes or whispered to her attorney Jennifer Wilmott through the State’s direct examination of their witness.
With one exception. When Dr. DeMarte was asked by Prosecutor Juan Martinez if Jodi Arias was a victim of domestic violence resulting in battered woman syndrome, Ms. Arias looked up for DeMarte’s answer. “No.”
After a battery of psychological tests were completed and scored, and approximately 12 hours of clinical interview with defendant Arias- Dr. DeMarte diagnosed Jodi Arias with Borderline Personality Disorder. Dr. DeMarte had the added luxury of having her home vandalized and her laptop stolen following the start of the trial. That information was not shared in open court.
Significant from a psychological evaluation perspective, Jodi Arias’ expert witnesses Alyce LaViolette and Dr. Samuels felt Arias was suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) as a result of the killing of Travis Alexander on June 4, 2008 at his home in Mesa, Arizona. Only Samuels was licensed to test Arias similarly to DeMarte, and it appears the results were very different. Samuels testified that he never re-tested Arias after he learned her accounts of June 4 were fabrications and that was an error on his part in his finding Arias suffered from PTSD.
Cross examination of Dr. DeMarte induced a migraine headache suffered by Arias (her 3rd since trial) although she is taking Imitrex for the condition. Earlier in the day, Wilmott began her cross by repeatedly stating that DeMarte was practicing therapy without a license prior to her licensing exam, to which DeMarte responded “That is not correct, it is permitted under the supervision of a licensed psychologist, which I was.”
Wilmott went on to question DeMarte’s credentials specifically related to expertise in domestic violence and her current knowledge of the practices of Dr. Lenore Walker- largely considered the pioneer of domestic violence research and testing. Walker’s work is novel within the psychological community in the area of the battered woman syndrome diagnosis.
Wilmott unsuccessfully tried to trip up DeMarte by suggesting that Walker no longer uses her own 6 point scale to include the possibility of battered woman syndrome to which DeMarte replied, “I would say that you are being inaccurate.”
DeMarte completed her testimony with very limited juror questions, although it was clear that a juror or two was not sold that Arias’ only disorder is BPD.
While DeMarte represented the State well in my opinion; Jodi Arias remains the round peg in the jello rhomboid to me. Too many unanswered behavioral observations from a criminal profiling perspective to fit into the BPD mold.
Prior to the start of the State’s rebuttal case, defense counsel Kirk Nurmi recalled a witness for the defense who never made it into the witness list for trial, Mr. Bryan Neumiester.
In previous hearings where Neumiester appeared as an expert for the defense in the authentication of the May 10, 2008 phone sex recording made by Arias, the State agreed to a stipulation that it was indeed Travis Alexander’s voice on the tape, and that it was made on May 10.
In earlier testimony Juan Martinez elicited from Jodi Arias, Martinez accused her of recording the tape without Alexander’s permission or knowledge. Arias was forced to admit that at no time is the fact that the conversation is being recorded heard mentioned by either party during the recording. More on that recording in a bit.
Neumiester was able to magnify the very haunting last image of a live Travis Alexander’s face in the shower, specifically his iris, and gain agreement via stipulation that the reflective image contained therein is that of Jodi Arias. She was not holding a gun or knife and the image was time-stamped correctly.
This was the second time Juan Martinez agreed to a stipulation from the same expert witness regarding the recorded media, both digital and audio in this case- outside the presence of the jury.
Mr. Neumiester is an expert witness for colleagues in Mr. Martinez’s own office as well as the Mesa Police Department. Might suggest offsite meetings going forward.
The final witness listed for the State’s rebuttal case is an investigator for the Mesa County Police who specializes in computer forensics, Detective Robert Brown. Detective Brown describes himself as a Computer Forensics Detective:
As a Digital Forensics expert, I possess attention to detail in my forensic capability, as well as the ability to explain complex technical concepts in a non-technical manner.
In the course of my regular duties, I also perform the following:
-Support ongoing internal investigations and litigation matters
-Utilize a variety of forensic tools (Encase, FTK, Helix, Cellebrite, Wireshark, etc.)
-Perform storage forensics (for example, hard drives, phones, USB storage)
-Perform network captures for traffic analysis
-File-system analysis and file carving (for example, to extract email, documents, and other trace evidence)
-Identifying , collection and analyzing electronic information, relevant to a case, incident or event of interest
-Establish timelines and patterns of activity of individuals and electronic devices and software
-Following forensically sound practices, including preserving chain of custody
-Efficiently and effectively report progress, risks and issues associated with assignments to varying levels of management
Following sound practices including preservation of chain of custody is looking like a welcome addition to this case.
In testimony from Detective Michael Melendez where the images allegedly taken by Travis’s camera were recovered from the deleted or unallocated portions of the memory stick via Encase software we learned that the infamous afternoon of highly graphic sex images of both Travis and Jodi that were dated and time-stamped on June 4th took place that afternoon prior to Travis’s murder.
Thus, making Jodi Arias an invited guest.
As an invited guest spending the day indelicato delicto, it certainly makes it difficult to prove the felony murder charge she is facing- and does not help the pre-meditation or murder in the first degree allegation because the basic motive is that Jodi went there to murder Travis because he was not going to take her to Cancun. While certainly a possibility, I would offer that just about every psychological professional who sat across from Arias missed the fact that she literally saw her old boyfriends more than once along her trek that ended up with her last breakup. Weird, yes.
Otherwise known as a raging sign of dependent personality disorder.
…” You are the worst thing that has ever happened to me…”
-Travis Alexander
According to the text messages back and forth between Jodi and Travis the weeks prior to his murder, it was patently clear that Alexander wanted Arias out of his life for good.
Has what the state since learned after having Jodi on the stand under oath and repeated in cross examination opened the door to further investigation of the electronic media in this case in preparation for rebuttal? Looks that way.
Keeping in mind that the phone sex recording was May 10th. About a week later, Arias testified, she thought the phone was stolen. She alleges it was found by her Aunt in 2010 in her grandfather’s car. This would be the same aunt that she pointed out in court, and who has not been seen in court in weeks although she had attended daily.
Arias writes in her journal entry May 22, 2008 that there are several explicit photos on her stolen phone, and 2 recorded sex tapes. In 2010, Arias though her attorneys, deliver this phone into evidence with no chain of custody information in a then 2 year old case. Miraculously, this occurs just as Arias is moving from the “maybe not the ninja’s” defense. From the defense perspective it has some statements from Alexander on it that they feel support’s their defense. From the State’s perspective it proves that Arias was certainly very open to the sexual practices of the couple and never felt abused, nor was she put off by the comments by Alexander.
A win-win for both sides so why not agree to its stipulation, right?
Is this why Juan Martinez was hammering home the journal entry written about the “fruitful imaginations” the two explored, causing Arias to miss Lonnie’s christening?
The infamous sugar fest that takes place just before Arias allegedly walks in on Alexander in masturbatory behavior where some image of a boy lands at her feet on January 21st? I note that one of the pictures allegedly from the June 4th date seems to show Alexander engaged in some self-satisfaction that ended with a surprise photo taken from the point of view of the chair next to him.
You’ll see where I am going with this momentarily.
Zulu Time Sex Chat
I have listened to the recording more times than one should have to, and I note that within that conversation ( which is clearly edited, you can hear the fast forwards or dead time during the recording) the sexual tryst they discuss sounds very much like what was captured on the images as presented previously as occurring on June 4th. If you have no concern about losing your lunch, it can be found here. Because of the nature of the material I am not quoting directly.
Graphic Warning, Sexually Explicit Material
Points in Conversation that Match Images
- Jodi discusses her fresh Brazilian and her being unsure if Travis would like that. She mentions Travis wakes her up after she fell asleep in the chair by preforming a sex act on her. There is no question that Jodi is freshly waxed in those images.
- Travis discusses the point of view shots of her “anatomy”.
- Jodi mentions that her hair was IN BRAIDS. In the police interview Flores refers to them as pigtails and Jodi responds “Are you sure it’s me, pigtails? They are not pigtails, they are braids and it is through this verbiage I believe we see Jodi restate that the pics are from another time. She is adamant on that until unfortunately Flores gives it up he has those 2 pics taken from the scene accidently.
- Jodi asks Travis to check out her new profile pic, he does, tells her how photogenic she is, and at no time says… O, you changed your hair color to brown. We know she took pics from her own camera May 10 and she was a brunette. Arias testified her hair was brown prior to leaving Mesa.
- Travis mentions the introduction of KY into the relationship. It is laying on the bed in the images, however, he says during the call when he is masturbating he is using Vaseline.
- Jodi mentions next time they have a photo session that she would like to have makeup on. She has no makeup on in these images.
- In a very close-up point of view shot, it appears Ms. Arias is using her vaginal canal as a tootsie pop holder. The tootsie pop incident occurs only once and prior to June 4th as it is discussed during the tootsietape.
I am aware that Det. Melendez says that the timestamps are from the image files, however, he never offers any explanation as to why some have it and many do not. Nor is he asked how if Neumiester was able to pull EXIF data identifying the shower image as taken from Travis’s camera from a similarly deleted image, why he was not able to. Likely why Mr. Neumiester was kept off the stand via the State’s agreement to the stipulation that has the legal community scratching its collective head.
My current thought bubble: Why would the prosecution take the murder weapons out of the hands of the suspect and in one fell swoop support her account of events as opposed to allowing Judge Stephens to rule on the Daubert hearing?
My current thought bubble response: Because it opens the door that has a little bottle labeled drink me on the other side.
Exhibit #215 Is Fat
No, not a person. The blue SD card labeled exhibit #215, confirmed by the State by its two witnesses Heather Connor and Det Melendez to be the card where all deleted images were extracted.
There’s just one problem with that. Well, maybe two. Connor stated it was located in the bottom of the washer along with the camera battery cover, which were separate from the camera itself. In fact, one can see the battery pack in the camera from the image taken into the washer.
Melendez stated he found the card or memory stick inside the camera when he opened its cover door.
Duo v SD blue
How did it get there if he was the only one who handled it, and how does he account for the fact that it is definitely not compatible with Travis’s camera a Sony (insert model).
Travis’s camera used a proprietary Sony duopro memory stick which is thinner and rectangular, and included notches for locking the data contained on it. The blue SD card cannot and does not fit inside the camera.
SO….
How does one account for the fact that there is only one card located in exhibit #215 and it is indeed now a Sony duopro, and it is NOT the same card pictured in the envelope presented by Thomas through prosecutor Juan Martinez.
As much as it pains me to say this- Jodi told them that herself and Det. Flores confirmed it during their interview on July 15, 2008.
Excerpted in pertinent part, my actual case bench notes from 4/2/13:
1:57 starts discussion on card- notes for review, upload and feedback
JA: To me pictures are very compelling but I know they can be modified, altered and I don’t know but I think date and time stamps can be tampered with.
Flores: we did not modify anything. Say like a computer, we take a mirror copy of it, and we don’t even touch it…. That’s exactly what we do with the photos. We don’t work with the originals and we make an exact duplicate copy and we work with the copy..And our guys are so good, that every case that I know of, has never been lost in court
(Note b: That sounds dangerously like no jury will ever convict me, ugh.)
8:34
Arias begins to ask Flores if they have her camera from storage.
Flores responds do you remember taking these pictures?
Arias: we took many pictures, vaguely
9:00
Arias in response to Flores saying they both deleted everything off both or all devices (sic) says prior to Travis getting his camera, all those pictures were on her camera.
Flores: All these same pictures?
Arias: I dunno, we took a bunch the week before I left
Arias: What I am asking is it possible that my memory card is in his camera? They are interchangeable.
(Note b: This may be why she needed the software and cord found in office. Ref my observations that the cord image appears to have red staining, but was not marked for testing. Imo, this is why she states they had sex on the desk. She knew her DNA from the cut would be there.)
Flores: How do you know they are interchangeable?
Arias: That’s why I am asking.
Flores: Just a regular ole standard SD card.
Arias: That’s why I am asking, cause I’ve got one that is like, this big (Note b: draws on his pad lefty)
For my professional camera it is like long and think like a cracker. My other one is more like this big (note b: Draws but in context shown to be larger than the first. She is indicating they are 2 different sizes.)
Flores: they are not interchangeable…His camera was here and your camera was there, why would those be on his camera?
Arias: My camera in storage that is broken but it is still there, I had several memory cards for it that I don’t have any more, and I guess what I am saying.
Flores: so are you saying all these pictures are on that camera?
Arias; no, it’s so farfetched but I guess it’s possible my card fits
Flores: So you’re saying maybe somebody took your memory card?
Arias: No, what I am saying is that if I left my memory cards at his house he could have used it in his camera. (Note b: This is prior to the trip to the big house. Please note how incredibly detrimental it is to call your suspect on the phone and tell them about all your subpoenas and warrants coming her way six weeks earlier- tends to lead to destruction of evidence, witness tampering, I could go on.)
Of particular interest, was Flores’s commentary that the experts on the hard drive and imaging testing (Melendez et al) have never lost a case where they presented evidence?
While that may be true, there was more than a few things he got wrong in that exchange.
- While on the stand initially calling the duopro card a SIM card, Melendez stated that SIM cards are smaller and primarily used in phones. This is an incorrect explanation. The storage format Martinez was referring to as a SIM is actually Micro SD. However, no micro SD cards have been admitted into evidence at trial.
- In Flores’s interview, he expressly stated that the analysts DID NOT work with the original card or cards in the case that they only make a copy, a mirror copy and work with that. Again, incorrect as we heard Melendez testify that he could not read the card removed until he placed the card directly into his “forensic machine”. No copy was ever made and the images recovered consisted then of deleted and non-deleted items from the card Melendez testified he removed from Travis’s camera himself.
Is it possible Jodi is correct, and Travis had an SD card from her camera and that was the camera used to shoot the tawdry tryst? Whereby he subsequently loaded the amateur effort himself onto the duopro card via the USB attachment and software loaded on his computer? If indeed Melendez was able to recover the deleted images from the duopro card, this would account for why the romp images were on his camera card although Travis and Jodi had not seen each other since its purchase.
Travis also had a Sony video camera that would also use a Sony duopro card enabling him to use the one he had in both. Travis’s video camera has not been referenced as evidence or an exhibit in the trial to date.
Potentially solving the dilemma of how the images get on Travis’s camera- if in fact they predate June 4th unfortunately does not address either how two of the state’s own witnesses testify differently about the same pieces of evidence that cannot possibly be the same storage device or the problems in chain of custody of same.
If Jodi was not the invited guest she claims she was as evidenced previously by the pictures thought to be taken on June 4th, what was she doing there exactly?
Did Travis Alexander even know she was in the house before he spots her holding something other than a gun or knife as he looks out of the shower for the last time?
Travis’s roommate Enrique’s statement to Flores seems to support the theory that at the very least, he was not aware Jodi was in the home when he spoke to Travis that morning and Travis shared he had not gotten any sleep. During her interview Jodi knew nothing of the new second roommate (until Flores outright told her about him and that he was at work) but she definitely would have if she came in through the garage because his car was parked in it.
Does this lend credence to the screen outside being removed by Jodi to the office window laying on the ground for entrance purposes?
Court resumes tomorrow after a closed hearing today. With the general public consensus after a nearly 4 month trial that most are no closer to the truth about what actually happened at casa de alexander on June 4, 2008 other than the outcome, this jury has its work cut out for them.
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Thank you for taking the time to put this piece together blink. I have several questions. I try my best to keep up with everything posted here and also with the responses.
I am confused about where things are headed:
1. has there been a ruling as to whether the defense gets another turn at rebuttal?
2.has there been a ruling on whether lesser charges are to be included in jury directions?
3.Is anything going to be said about the two photo cards/two cameras thing?
Can somebody please give me a summary of where things are headed ie: closing arguments, further witnesses etc.?
What rulings are we waiting on and what is the significance of these motions/rulings?
I think from the content of my questions one can tell what I’m looking for in a summary.
Thank you
tiberious-
1. Not announced, but I suspect a filing that occurred late today leads me to believe the Judge has ruled to allow the surrebuttal.
2. To my knowledge, the rebuttal case ends with Det. Brown, however, I also suspect Det Melendez was his substitute today.
3. No idea if what is occurring behind closed doors the last 2 days has to do with the camera cards or if it will be addressed. I would note that Melendez was not scheduled to appear.
4. Rest is dependent on above.
B
Blink writes:
Lastly- they had 4 years to prepare this case. Seriously.
B
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with deep respect, I am not so sure they had a full four years to mount their case against Arias claim of self defense with abuse adjeustment to reasonable person standard. When exactly did they charge her officially with pre med? When were they absolutely certain she had done this alone? Was that from the get go?
They have only had the time to prepare this SPECIFIC case since she claimed she was the only one there.
Arias persisted in her intruders story for what, two years?
In any case, she did not immediately go from ” I wasn’t there” to self defense affected by abuse for quite some time.
While still repping herself, she submitted letters alledging they showed pedophilia, that were declared forgeries. She then said ” I think I’m in over my head” and the public defenders were put back in place. I believe it was only after the refusal of the letters that she claimed she did it alone, and only after consultation with Nurmi that she claimed domestic violence as mitigating factor.
I am wondering what the State was doing during the time Arias was repping herself. Would they have ” lost time” during that period when she was insisting intruders did it by approaching the case in a different way?
I have always wondered if the State’s case was initially built around defeating the intruder story – whether trying to disprove that or not, and was then adjusted to defeat the claims of abuse and self defense. Would this account for what seems like disorganization, lack of clarity at times?
It just looks like the State has always had her lack of credibility as the core to their case, as opposed to focusing on the forensics that might have been done if they had known from the start that she did this alone.
By the way, her lack of credibility is enough for me personally to regard everything she says as subterfuge and impeding justice, and find her guilty as charged because she hasn’t succeeded in providing reasonable doubt to States case. I am content with the circumstantial evidence they have provided, unless there is something earth shattering that comes up between now and the end of the trial. I know innocent until proven guilty is the law, but I am a kibbitzer, see more than the jury is allowed to see, and am not a jury member duty bound to an open mind.Thats just me, will have to see what the jury does.
Respectfully who- a seasoned attorney could plan this prosecution effectively in 90 days. With any luck, there will be a conviction and y’all can call me spaz for a while, lol.
B
If Jodi destroyed her computer to the point that the hard drive(s) were not functional there would only be the log-in data to the various accounts. This would indicate that they came from Jodi’s computer or her smart phone (a cookies function). If Jodi were doing this from Yreka rather than Mesa it may be possible to get phone records that would indicate phone access. That would or should have been done quickly after her arrest.
There are ways to recover data from badly damaged disks as long as the platters are not destroyed. This requires very high level work from people who do nothing but disk data recovery. It is not inexpensive to do so the state may not have bothered. I would have at least spent some time with the computer and any drives to determine if it was possible to get some data recovered.
Every state needs to get busy and build top level computer and phone forensics labs and staff them with well trained experts. Look at what we have in the medical forensics area in comparison.
I MUST let you know your analysis is MUST read for all Arias Trial followers and all Prosecution Team members!
I encourage you to reach out to the DA Office and offer to share your analysis with them.
Or …. have you beat me to the punch?
Thank you for the wake up call>
TY Janna
B
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSqaoczEboc
What is this snickering at 17:16 all about?
Guess on my part Jden- Judge ruled in their favor on the additional jury instruction and/or the surrebuttal.
B
blink writes
Respectfully who- a seasoned attorney could plan this prosecution effectively in 90 days. With any luck, there will be a conviction and y’all can call me spaz for a while, lol.
B
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well, thats a big disappointment. I wish Martinez would have been able to work with another attorney on this case- forest for the trees and all that jazz.
And after going through this with all the intelligent people you have attracted with your knowledge and keen observation , I’d say brilliant would be a more apt name than spaz!
Ty kindly but we are definitely the sum of our parts-
B
Thank you for putting up a new post, Blink. I live in Boston and all day all night all I see or hear is about the bombing. I need some crazy Jodi Arias in my life as a distraction (even though she also committed a heinous crime). Right now we’re getting minute by minute updates on the status of the 2nd bomber, pretty much every time he goes to the bathroom. Thank you.
Oh, yay, you got the recording done! Thanks, B. and all. Busy days!
Soon over, we pray.
TY , Word Girl
B
Please forgive me..I’m sure most of you are going to be like “what kind of a question is this”, but I have a processing of information problem of sorts.
Blink are you saying it is your professional opinion, that as things stand, that unless JM has a over the top successful closing, that it will be a hung/not guilty verdict?
I can’t quantify it like that. I don’t think a big closing ever wins a jury over in lieu of the facts/evidence/testimony of the case. I am saying I think the fact that the case in chief is not structured to make it easy for 12 people to come together and agree unanimously ( in support, you have read the reasons in my work to date)
And again I apologize because I genuinely try to keep up, but if there is no further rebuttal on the part of the prosecution, then how would the camera cards come into evidence/discussed/brought to jury attention?
They may not be.
B
I’m new to this and get confused sometimes blink because there are times that I get the impression that you are saying that irregardless of whether the photo cards are officially discussed that the jury has caught on to the fact something is hinky.
Yes. I have to believe that there is at least a juror or 2 who caught the discrepencies, most especially with today’s questions regarding the pictures still on the camera that were not presented .. there were 90.
If I am a juror I am asking myself why the big secret?
Does this also go for other facts/events that just seem off to us..meaning the jury sees this too even if no direct evidence/discussion was had in the courtroom?
I appreciate the time it takes for you to review/answer my questions.
Re dating of the photos:
Do we have a receipt or appointment verification for JA’s Brazilian wax?
Grow-out research would take a stronger stomach than mine.
Was this her general grooming habit? Or something ‘special’?
Where was testimony for this?
Was she examined when she arrived at jail? (Six weeks late, we know.) Normally all tattoos, etc are noted.
Sue, would intake include notation about a Brazilian? btw are women pregnancy tested when they arrive at prison?
(or visit someone nasty like Van DerS loot? Rumor has it he impregnated a visitor…)
According to the tape from May 10th that was the first time she had it.
Which would have been in January 2008.
B
TY for the YouTube Jden. I’d turned the trial off before Deanna’s cross.
The glee on JA & Willmot’s faces is that of a hollow victory imo if Judge allowed
defense’s sur-rebuttal witness.
A Lessor charges favorable finding would’ve likely had them sober and faint from relief. Imo they risk
alienating some jurors if they trash talk Dr D’s findings. (wasn’t that who they wanted to rebut?)
FYI, the vids Travis was looking at the morning he was murdered are music videos of a band called Daft Punk and the vids are harmless. WTH was Nurmi trying to insinuate??
I wonder what the last website visited from Travis’s computer was on that same day at 4:54 pm and who it was that accessed it?
Blink,
It is your combined skills and talents in forensics and journalism that make your site such a gem.
The implications in this article of the lack of experienced forensic technologists among law enforcement reaches far beyond this case. This is not the first time we have all seen this type of thing come up in the prosecution of someone we have come to believe is guilty. If that isn’t enough of a fear factor, I don’t want to even imagine how this inexperience could play out in the conviction of someone innocent.
To balance the discussion and because I frequently have to work next to these folks- let me say this- For the most part, I have found investigators and criminal forensic analysts to be quite consciencious, good at their jobs, and open to alternative input. Especially in the case where their knowledge base might be void of certain experience, education or training.
More than that though, I have to pay respect to the fact that these professionals are the grunts of criminal investigation. They are in the trenches. With the exception of cold cases of mp that have led to recovery- you are not going to find me in the white paper suit stepping over blood soaked everywhere smelling a 5 day old corpse and all the sensory assaults that go with that.
In fairness, if I get involved either as a journalist or criminal investigative analyst, it is from my safe zone in the weeds.
I am never (by choice) going to stand over a murdered child or sift through body parts of bomb victims at the respective crime scenes. This must be said. In private cases, I have the benefit of at least a jump off point, and the “luxury” of the dedication of my skills and resources to focus on that task. LE and associated resources do not.
Complex cases, and by definition once a case is high profile it falls into this silo automatically, require complex approach and every asset to be on their A game. If I had to highlight ( shout out to DeMarte) the major error of investigators in need of drastic improvement it is their almost trained response to develop immediate theory based on limited facts and limited resources. The next would be the education and training of exactly what we are talking about here. Post-mortems on major errors in contemporary cases, most specifically high profile.
I can tell you as a fact that in the CA case, their was a significant amount of time spent within OCSO and the supporting FBI staff on what went wrong, what the take aways were, and protocol change as a result.
Is it fair to allow one or two errors in an investigators career define it in it’s entirety because they had the unlucky position of being in charge of a high profile case? No. HOWEVER, like it or not, public service is just that. Comes with the job. That goes for the prosecutor as well.
Think about the system in general. This is the root cause, imo. To become an investigator, one must be a LEO. A cop. The career path is such that the way to get out of a vehicle for 12 hours at a clip is to become a detective. While you are in the patrol or other assignment as a LEO, your training is to act immediately, make arrests, and close your case.
As stated to me by a staff member from the prosecutors office in the State of Maryland during a case I was retained in- the problem with the system is that many times great cops make lousy detectives and great detectives can make lousy cops. It is flawed. I believe that 100%.
Coming into the situation as an “independent” if you will, can be quite the mysogenistic experience on occasion. I have become pretty skilled at the ‘I am not here to find the mistakes, I am here to aid your investigation” chat, but you get the drill. Not going to lie, if I ever do decide to write a case-based memoir those gentlemen I am loosely referring to will get a definite nod. Who thought the simple location of an image of someone wearing the newly purchased necklace of a decedent, who also attempted to delete the voice mail messages of same, would be a difficult investigative task but hey, I was pretty green back then. They would hate me much bigger now.
(insert ad break, lol- sorry for the soapbox but these people really deserve to be respected for the nature of their work and it’s risk/reward deficits.)
To your point- the question becomes, how do we approach the leaky fawcett without anyone willing to admit it is leaking?
B
I have been seeing a lot of theories that are based on the idea that since Arias is left-handed that she had to stab with her left hand. Please advise folks that many lefties use their right hands for certain motor functions. I am left-handed but bat right handed and do many large muscle strength activities right-handed. I also use my right hand for taking photos, brushing hair, raking etc. I personally saw Arias on tv saying, “I’m ambidextrous.” I would really love it if someone could let me know what video that was in. I don’t think it was from a journal entry being read, but it was definitely on tv. If I had to use a weapon, even a gun, it would be with my right hand, and as I said, I have always been left-handed. Please take that into account when theorizing folks. I have been reading so many assumptions based on the exclusion of her right hand capabilities.
Gene- she testified in court she is ambidextrious. I have personally watched her write and sketch with both hands.
I Invite you to read the posts on this case by clicking the category on the left, we have discussed the elements of the crime as they relate to her “handidness” at length.
B
Does my new name make me look fat? grin
Ok, I had to digest what you were saying, Blink, and forced myself to dig up the crotch-shot photo of Jodi’s nether regions and sure enough, there’s a Tootsie Pop sticking out! I think I must have been cringing before and wondering why she looked so abnormal. I’ve read many comments about her looking overly used, etc., but that’s candy! I don’t know if I’m relieved or angry with her. I can forgive someone’s overzealousness over sex because to me it doesn’t equate with lack of character, but her brand of deviousness and deceipt gets worse with each passing day of this trial.
Blink, have you tipped off Martinez’ office about your theory? I know it’s late in the game (wishful thinking), but this possibility could be critical to the prosecution.
I don’t discuss any interactions with LE on active cases Liz (lol, so not fat but if you would have logged on as FatLiz I would have lost it- it is a Pitch Perfect reference for anyone tempted to be offended I am not a twig bitch, very stressful few days around here as you can imagine)
I can’t tell you how *ahem* unpleasant that part of the analysis was. Hats off to Ms. Beaufort who similarly endured.
B
Oh yeah, and the Pop Rocks explain why Travis’ package was deep red, too. More comments on that, people wondering why he looked like he had dyed his genitals, but the candy explains it. Glad they stuck with cherry and didn’t use blueberry or lime, but that would have been much easier to identify.
I am a contrarian it seems, and believe the photos were taken on the day in question.
Me in bold GeorgiaDad- good points. I won’t take it personally that you did not look up the manual or listen to that smut tape or police interviews of which I also base my argument, supplied below.
1) Why would TA copy to his camera card, especially since they had “broken up” and he had a new date for Cancun. Did he want his new GF to look at them? I doubt it.
These were DELETED images. As I said, there is no way to tell WHEN they were deleted from the card, if in fact they were on the duopro (insert the whole double card non-resolved issue, I believe they were on the duopro) so Travis could have downloaded them to be viewable in slideshow and view them on his TV ( I know there is a shot with his videocamera on the TV armoire) and after the situation that was going with Jodi where he wants nothing more to do with them, he could have deleted them at that time. Keep in mind, these images were NOT VIEWABLE on the camera or any other device without extracting them via encase. Nobody was viewing them again. However, to your point, since we can’t be sure of Jodi’s motives, maybe it was her intention to take the images from that camera and manipulate and publish them to extort Travis, or perpetuate whatever crap she was up to and simply did not know how. (thrown cd’s blood on cord)
2) Cameras frequently can only read jpg images created by that camera. Images copied from another camera may not be viewable.
This camera allows other images to be viewed on it through the supplied software. Conversely, it is usable in either his videocamera which could produce stills, and if you review the pic of Travis with his right hand in the air, I believe that image was a still from a video, personally.) Moreover, no way to know if these images were retouched or enhanced through a simple photoshop- and one can strip the EXIF data if none of the other methods were available in WORD.
It should be noted that there were 90 other images on the camera that were NOT deleted. No idea what they are, but sure would be good to know as it might prove the theory. Melendez testified that no images were recovered on the internal memory. A true forensic exam would include discussion of whether or not the unallocated clusters had been re-written in any way- and telling of what else was on the card that was not admitted.
3) This was a brand new camera. If JA copied the images, it would have been the day of the murder, and if she did arrived unannounced and promptly kill him, then the images would have been copied to his memory card after his death (after the camera had been dropped, etc). Why would she place evidence on his memory card placing her at the scene? If she planned it all in advance, why didn’t she place child porn pictures on the card? Her whole plan seemed to be to leave no evidence that she was at the scene (rental car, gas cans, etc.), why change her plan at the last minute.
4) A missing camera would not point a finger at JA as a suspect unless she kept the camera and continued to use it.
5) When deleting the death images, she would have to know what was on the card – why would she then leave the card.
JA has at times, performed acts of pure ignorance, things someone with her experience should have known better about, so I do not absolutely exclude the possibility she placed the images on the card, but find it very unlikely. I am not saying she put the images on the card, I am saying Travis did with the exception of the shower images and the obvious 2 accidental images. To your point, in a time of high stress, with a camera she never used, whose case was whipped in the loft and left there in the open, I submit she did not have the time nor capacity to do anything but delete the recent pics. She would not have even seen the old deleted ones, and that was clear in her interview with LE.
To be complete, I would find it probable that JA would load the sex images on the card if she had NOT planned to kill him. She would really get a perverse kick if TA’s new GF saw the images on the camera (and many people will review the images on their cameras while on vacation).
We agree, but keep in mind, as I pointed out, the USB cord, the camera box, cds and a mess were on the desk. I agree with you that whatever she was up to meant she was not there to kill him. I believe that is correct, whether this was supposed to duplicate that weird hold up scenario, or whatever, she either went to great lengths to avoid detection there or to murder him and if that was the plan it would seem Miss organized got very unorganized in a hurry and as was pointed out- how she left the seen was anything but.
Regardless- at a minimum, the outcome suggest premeditation under the law as I see it, or with her not invited and possibly with whatever else she was up to- felony murder.
My belief is that she went to visit to try and win him back, they got in a fight, and she went with Plan B.
Links to support analysis:
Non compatible with other faux memory sticks:
http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/news-item.pl?news_id=243&mdl=DSCH9B
Must use an adapter for standard size reader input:
http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/support-info.pl?&info_id=12&mdl=DSCH9B
Download PDF manual:
http://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model-home.pl?mdl=DSCH9B&LOC=3#/manualsTab
Note: there are 2 ways to upload and download with the camera- one can be done from the camera itself in the motion menu without the need to install the software on the computer.
P. 88-99 As you can see, detailed instructions on how to import to the sony duopro from your mypictures folder. You can also see how EVEN IF DELETED FROM THE CARD, but was viewed on the computer at one time, the images can be restored to the card.
It is astonishing a Detective would go to the stand at this stage & not recollect the computer action at that time. Probably someone hitting Mapquest ……
that YouTube of trial above with the “tittering”. Their public affect, particularly Jody’s,
tells me Willmott’s ego boundaries are blurred in re Jody. Nurmi should’ve sat
between the 2 of them all along.
I totally agree and frankly I am surprised it still goes on- he is the one in private practice here. Confession- my professional decorum took a break for a bit yesterday when Ms. Ried mentioned Travis’s Father.
The camera panned to his brother and sister, and the pain on their faces and tears flowing jolted me back to the non-analytical sides to this case.
So in contrast, the beauty school moment between ATTORNEY Wilmott next to her sribbling for dollars CLIENT made me angry.
But then again I don’t know a lot of PD’s that get busted for weed and keep their jobs so she is probably safe, with whatever is in her safe which may or may not include images of important people with livestock or whatnot.
Yeah. I went there.
B
Jumping the proverbial gun a bit, here is Dr. Robert Geffner’s profile:
http://www.fvsai.org/aboutus.htm
Trauma, abuse and clinical neuropsychology are in his hat. Has he interviewed Arias and if so, would that have just been recently? Will he, too, be making assumptions based on Arias’ lies and deceits? The defense has completely fabricated and expounded upon a nightmare tale around Arias. When does it stop?
The jury is aware that Arias is a bold-faced liar, that she has psychological issues and that she killed Travis in the most heinous way. They may be close to pre-meditation, although not completely convinced. What needs to be slammed down right now is this BS abuse theory. That is the crux of the entire defense. What will put that to rest? Here is their strategy, in whole:
“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly – it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”-
Joseph Goebbels
Even so, and we’ve asked this previously, but why would a woman who suffered so much abuse travel 1000 miles to visit her abuser… coquettishly remarking, he begged me to come? That she was an uninvited intruder must be disputed and sold to the jury. Is the removed screen not admissible? What about Napoleon? She testified that the dog did not hear or notice her arrive. BS.
Deanna was an excellent witness and a beautiful testimony to Travis. Believable and sincere. Hopefully it is obvious to the jury that Travis would not have abused JUST Arias. Abusers don’t select one victim… they continue the cycle with the next partner, the next person, anyone who will take it. Noone else indicates abuse at the hands or mouth of Travis.
I trust the jury is taking notice of not only Arias’ affect in the courtroom, but of her counsel and their lack of composure. Immaturity and sarcasm prevails in that Patty Duke Show corner of the room and it does not indicate any sense of grace or honesty. Arias has not humbled herself to this jury. The twins appear to be keeping score, passing notes, gossiping and giggling about their opponents and “victories”.
Stark comparison to the decorum of Travis’ family and friends… the true victims.
For Ms. Reid: He should have married you, but I am certain you already know that. Nobody should have to endure that on the stand and you did so with eloquence and grace in the face of the queen of the argolizards. God Bless.
B
BLINK! Scribbling for dollars and livestock. Gosh, I needed that this morning.
I may have missed this, but if you ask my family they would deny i would have had the chance given all the time i have spent watching and reading about this trial… If it was stated the knife may have been washed in the dishwasher since the roommates went about daily living for 5 days before Travis was discovered, wasn’t the washing machine needed at some point over that time possibly finding the camera and Travis earlier? Also, what happened with Alyce… she was supposed to appear last Tuesday i believe and then I never heard why she did not. I also missed the part about the ring and hiding behind the Christmas tree. One last thing that may not praised; I have on two occasions personally witnessed someone in a period of memory loss one after a traumatic situation, and another in a situation that was not traumatic, but ‘the fog’ was real none the less. I am just saying this because someone on the jury may have had a similar experience. Any thoughts how that could affect verdict?
oops, ‘be’ praised is what I meant
@Blink, I understand why you inserted some balance into the discussion and you know I meant no disrespect to LE. (My east coast cousin would have his brothers in blue all over me, if I did.) What I am saying is we are short on education and training for these people, and if we don’t address this problem, we likely will have some guilty go free, and some innocent behind bars.
O my dear erose, I saw absolutely no disrespect from your comment, but as I have been appropriately harsh on the topic in this case, I guess I took the opportunity to expand my view from the field so to speak, and hopefully allow readers to see the “why” in support of your comment.
You could not be more correct. It is not like most of these folks would not be willing to learn and would benefit greatly, there are very few my paths have crossed where that is the case. Thanks again for allowing me to clarify.
B
In support of Blink’s position regarding LE and the path to advancement being taking tests to make a promotion or moving from a patrol car to the position of beginner detective without proper training and simple management training is true.
My oldest daughter and her husband have more than twenty years each in that profession. Therefore, I know a lot about the who and what of how these advancements are made.
What is also happening is that the colleges and universities have recognized that there is money to be made by offering courses in Criminal Justice. The major problem with this approach is finding the proper people to develop and teach them. At the present time, there are problems with the type of students choosing to attend these courses. The classes are not attracting top level students, but are the fall back positions for the bottom third of students who cannot cut it in science, engineering or other demanding courses such as law or even music.
If some think music is like falling off a log, I can tell you that when I went to school it took an additional twenty hours to obtain a bachelors degree in music over the standard 124 hour arts degree as did an engineering degree require an additional thirty hours over a regular science degree.
The other problem is simply management and how the structure of LE organizations is designed and operated. The more complex our society, the more demands are made on public service organizations for quality people. IMO there should be a big division of skills between writing traffic tickets or investigating a burglary and the proper investigation of a murder.
Our present system does a fair job on the easy ones, but falls way short on those that are complex. Criminals are not all dumb or ignorant. Some are very smart and can hide their activities from the public for a very long time. These are the types of cases that require very high skill levels to solve and prosecute. They are the types of things that the FBI was invented to solve.
The current problem is that unless it involves a crime for which the resources of the FBI can be used, the local criminal justice systems must use whatever resources they have or if they are lucky, they can use county or state resources.
Then we have the political issues in LE. When politics enter into a situation, most of the time quality gets shoved into the corner. Politics is the root cause of poor service from out public institutions and is the prime reason for square pegs in round holes and people being placed in positions of authority who should not be there.
Society needs to take another approach to prevent some of the things we have witnessed in these high profile cases. That approach will need to be developed by people with real multi-years of experience and training. By muli-years of experience, I am not referring to one or two years of experience repeated multiple times.
ladydi writes:
I have on two occasions personally witnessed someone in a period of memory loss one after a traumatic situation, and another in a situation that was not traumatic, but ‘the fog’ was real none the less.
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Here is what Arias had to do while in a fog:
stab and slit throat. Clean up crime scene. Delete photo images. change clothes ( no blood inhouse on stairs or showing oath of Arias departure. lock bedroom door. put camera in washing machine. put up dog fence. Holding evidence she claimed she took with her, go to car. bags were already in car, so according to her story if she had anything in her hands, she had to open car door, pout key in ignition. Do all this in relative daylight. (Sunset in June in Phoenix is 7:40, travis roomate says he was back at house by 6:30, Arias says she knew roomate’s sched and that roomate was coming back at 6:30). Had to discern a route in order to get out of town. Had to recognize her detsination was Salt lake City, make decision to go towards Ryan in Salt Lake City instead of anywhere else.
Hands on steering wheel much more apparent in relative daylight than in middle of night, which is when she says she looked down and saw blood.
If there was blood on her hands when she left the house, it would have been on doorknobs window ledges, whatever.
Point is, those are a lot of decisions to make in a fog. DeMarte’s point is that transient global amnesia also affects decision making and that while someone in a fog can do things by rote, they engage a different part of the brain to do more intricate things- and deleting photos is an example.
Even with amnesia of the stabbing, Arias was always aware she shot Travis and spent the next day and following seven weeks maintaining she wasn’t there. She was not in a fog when she said she wasnt there, she was lying to cover up the fact that she was there . She then said she was there but two other people did it. When claiming other people did it, she was able to remember specifics of the murder, complete with stabbings. She claimed her bags were in the house,she ran out of the house and did not remeber anything else after that.
When her story changed from intruders to self defense, she said she was in a fog and did not remember stabbing him. She said she had already taken her bags to the car.
Did your friend have anything similar to the above?
Rose says: …Nurmi should’ve sat between the 2 of them all along.
** I’ve thought the same but I think Nurmi likes the distance from Arias.
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Blink says:
For Ms. Reid: He should have married you, but I am certain you already know that. Nobody should have to endure that on the stand and you did so with eloquence and grace in the face of the queen of the argolizards. God Bless.
** Blink, so so true. She was a good friend to Travis, even in his death.
Just as an aside we had a local Judge get off on a DUI and he never missed a day from the bench. Public outcry, took an early retirement… My mom has been a legislator, public defender, private practice law office, and lobbyist. She has mentioned the surprising number of folks who smoke pot in the judicial system going back to the early seventies (and probably before that). There is something about Jodi that sucks certain people in and I hope Willmott recovers from Jodi’s bad voodoo.
Word Girl – Women are only pregnancy tested if they bring it up during booking or medical intake.
A Brazilian wax job would not be noted upon strip-search. Many young women shave their pubic hairs, but this is never noted. The focus of a strip-search is to find contraband on the body and a Brazilian would not have the need to be noted when booked. In hindsight it would have helped in this case perhaps. But who knew?
Point well taken whodunnit!!! But over a 45 minute period, this person said and did things that to this day (7 years later) does not remember, only what she was told… Obviously, if it was something serious it would matter, since it wasn’t, it doesn’t. I was just thinking how a juror may be persuaded if he/she witnessed someone in that state of mind, is all. I understand that she is guilty, I just also learned a lot from the C word trial. Thank you for your reply.
@Jden says:
April 24, 2013 at 9:58 am
“BLINK! Scribbling for dollars and livestock. Gosh, I needed that this morning.”
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No doubt in my mind she has planned all along to sell her “work”. There is even a network movie in the works “Dirty Little Secret”. I hope they include a scene with her lying on a gurney awaiting the injection.
http://www.azcentral.com/thingstodo/celebrities/articles/20130419jodi-arias-tv-film.html
ladydi writes:
Thank you for your reply.
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Thank YOU for understanding my comment was made with no challenge to veracity of your friend.
Arias’s veracity is one of the key issues of this case. Regarding her claim of fog,If the jury believes that fog alleviates Arias of the responsibility of telling them what actually happened, they are left to figure it out themselves without feeling that they have been duped by more of Arias lies. The crime scene is so hard to read for a layman, and doesn’t seem to have not been fully addressed by the State. This is exactly what leaves room for ” reasonable doubt”. I do feel that Demarte’s testimony made headway in destroying fog theory, and that is why I reacted so specifically to your post. Thanks again for objective discussion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XDZzVUp4Hg
Start watching at 2:46, this is the JA crying while Deanna was testifying. Watch her eyes at 2:48. Just wow.
Am I correct in saying that travis spoke to a roommate that morning june 4th telling him he had not gotten much sleep.
In Jodi’s testimony she arrives around 4ish to travis’s home. They do not have any romance that night. She says she awoke first at 12ish, travis wakes at 1 ish.
They have there vanilla session( including stubble) with picture taking and use of her Olympus for videoing, which later in testimony says that that camera isn’t even taken out for that part of the trip???? She says pictures and video are deleted
After the romance travis goes downstairs, she takes a shower. After her shower she gets ready to leave and packs then meets him in office where a spell occurs involving scratched CD’s making him angry and then distresses with the use of her backside.
From there, back upstairs for photo session .
She says in testimony that they look at photos and delete as she takes them.
Questions:
How is it that travis speaks with a roommate that morning if he wakes up at 1:00pm
How is it that the roommate doesn’t mention a ford focus in the driveway when questioned?
If travis goes downstairs while she takes a shower and he is still wearing stubble, when is it that he shaves to have a clean shaved look in the last face shot?
If the pictures of him in the shower standing are a photo shoot, why does the door seem to be closed and she seems so far away, with one of the shots appearing as if he is surprised at the figure taking the pictures?
How can it be that they are looking at the pictures and deleting pictures if the pictures are taken so close together in time?
She never speaks of eating anything?????
I think Jodie arrived in the early morning and peaked in the windows seeing travis on the computer around 4 ish and scoped out the place to see what was going on. Apparently at least one roommate was there with his car in garage. She hid in her car that was parked down the street and probably slept. She could have possibly slept most of the day in her car.. Woke up scoped out the place and made her move entering through the window without the screen. It is possible she hid in the house and maybe even in his room, who knows The picture of travis in bed with the ky looks as if he is sleeping. She could have taken that picture which seems to be taken at a weird suspicios angle. He awoke and went into the shower where she entered
I submitted to early.
Continuing from 2:18
Maybe she noticed the camera in his room while hiding out in there and began to snoop to see his pictures and then snapped the pictures of him in bed with ky ..
Does it seem that travis with the ky picture is laying on top of the comforter. She says after having sex they wash the sheets. Why would the bed still look as if it is made?
She states that travis has his temple garments on, we’re these found anywhere in the bedroom? Or washer or anywhere used or dirty?
If you go to amazon and enter “Alyce La Violette” you will be given a list of books that contain her writings.
In the book “Domestic Violence Offenders: Current Interventions, Research, and Implications for Policies and Standards by Alan Rosenbaum (Jul 22, 2002)”,Alyce Laviolette has written a section. ( Batterers Treatment Observation from the Trenches” which acn be accessed here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0789019302/ref=sr_1_15?p=S01Y&keywords=alyce+laViolette&ie=UTF8&qid=1366832139
It is impossible to copy and paste the writing from amazon so you have to go to the link
Its worth reading for one excerpt alone. She says she got involved with a program of treating the men who inflicted abuse only when approached because they couldn’t find a man who would work for 660. a month and she needed the money, and that while initially she thought that “any man who could do such awful things was evil” ,she liked starting new programs.
Dr. Robert Geffner and Alyce LaViolette Connection:
On Alyce LaViolette’s website there is an article she wrote in 2002.
“Researchers Agree Woman May Hit Their Male Partner but InFrequently Batter Them- Pattern of Coercion is seldom Present in Femail Agression.”
(yes that is the tile of the article! see link: http://alycelaviolette.com/Women-Who-Hit-Their-Male-Partners.htm.
In this article, she cites ROBERT GEFFNER.
Here is brief excerpt:
Perhaps we should examine what we are talking about. Bob Geffner and Alan Rosenbaum did a good job of differentiating between aggression and abuse in their new book.
“Aggression is an action, abuse is a dynamic. Partners may be mutually aggressive, and the evidence suggests that they are, but they are rarely mutually abusive.”
Geffner is an extension of LaViolette, she is an extension of him etc.
The defense is saying that State presented new evidence and they want Geffner to rebut it ( sur rebuttal)
Is the defense ciaiming they need the rebutall because of Demarte’s statements alluded to Arias being aggressive, in this ” offering new evidence’ ?
She says she speaks with travis during her drive and does speak with him on the 3rd while in Pasadena.
From there turns off phone, doesn’t charge, and does not want to be detected.
@Whodunnit
“Arias’s veracity is one of the key issues of this case. Regarding her claim of fog,If the jury believes that fog alleviates Arias of the responsibility of telling them what actually happened, they are left to figure it out themselves without feeling that they have been duped by more of Arias lies. The crime scene is so hard to read for a layman, and doesn’t seem to have not been fully addressed by the State. This is exactly what leaves room for ” reasonable doubt”. I do feel that Demarte’s testimony made headway in destroying fog theory, and that is why I reacted so specifically to your post. Thanks again for objective discussion!”
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Reasonable doubt for what? If anyone hasn’t proved their case it’s the defense team. jmo.
lyla- the defense has no burden to do so. None.
B
The picture of ky and travis on bed is taken at 1:44.pm He wakes up at 1 ish So, they were suppose to have cut the rope, video, take pictures , Etc and after, travis goes downstairs to the kitchen, then to his office while she takes a shower . Why does he seem to be sleeping at 1:44. Something doesn’t jive or I have this all mixed up.
OT
Did you say at one time atg or blink that
9mm is a peewee shooter or a strong one?
Does it have an automatic function?
.25 can be semi or revolver, based on model and they go waaaay back, a lot of German and Japanese models ( please if I am so overtaxed I am in a fugue state and getting this wrong I am happy to be corrected). Heavy incident for jamming in this firearm in particular, but in general older revolvers without proper service or knowledge of use will jam.
Yes, I have referenced it doing more damage by hurling it at an intruder than it will with any non-point blank range to a vital. Not to say it could not kill a person, but in terms of lethal strategy -not a “stopper”.
B
@whodunnit. I fugured LaV gave D his name.
I am more interested in his U.
I don’t care how many CA grads it produces.
I look at the countrys & expansions & wonder about embedded PhD cultists
–ie TM, soka gakkai, offshoots of Buddhism, etc.
My area has a top highly regarded PhD neuropsych practice testing my kid every 3 yrs K on.
In high school however the report included a recommendation he
take up TM. That’s when I learned movements like the maharishi have long
embedded practitioners at PhD and Univ levels. Alliant history remains murky to me.
That’s what I think
They just showed a picture of Jodi dated June 3, with her hair newly dyed brown. This illustrates that one, she did indeed dye her hair on her way to Mesa and that two, the nude photos of her and Travis are from a different date than June 4. Her hair seems to be more red in the nude photos.
Correct that she was not blonde when leaving Yreka, but she was brunette in january. Would love to know who she sent the pic to, if anyone.
B
rose says:
Alliant history remains murky to me.
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Yes and there seems to be enough for Martinez to have Geffner’s testimony questioned, at least.
I am wondering if there is any ‘conflict of interest” issues that may exist between LaViolette and Geffner, in that they are professionally entertwined, that one supporting the others theories is mutually beneficial to each other- even apart from the needs of the defense., secondary gain etc. I mean its not like having someone completely outside of LaViolette’s sphere be called upon to refute Demarte.
But bottom line- has Stephens agreed to this sur rebuttal?
@B
(snipped) “Reasonable doubt for what? If anyone hasn’t proved their case it’s the defense team. jmo.
lyla- the defense has no burden to do so. None.
B”
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I know. I’m playing a juror and I’m not buying the self defense presentation by team Nurmi. (:
For Ms. Reid: He should have married you, but I am certain you already know that. Nobody should have to endure that on the stand and you did so with eloquence and grace in the face of the queen of the argolizards. God Bless.
B
You said what I was thinking and so perfectly. I was impressed and moved with her testimony and I am glad the attorneys did not d
rag her through the mud. Grace and honesty and almost a raw innocence…
I would like to think that at my age and personal and professional status that I would not have jumped over that box and throttled her, embarrassing everyone I love and respect, and landing my ass in the pokey.
I guess we will never know.
Back to stewardship but I am human- was a nice daydream.
B
@ Lyla, I’m going to play a juror also. If I believe Jodi is on the stand lying to me that’s one thing. If it’s proven Jodi is on the stand lying to me I’m voting guilty in the first degree in light of all the evidence.
Even a juror who believed Jodi was abused may now be questioning that based on the fact that Jodi has never stopped lying.
@Sobermom
“They just showed a picture of Jodi dated June 3, with her hair newly dyed brown. This illustrates that one, she did indeed dye her hair on her way to Mesa and that two, the nude photos of her and Travis are from a different date than June 4. Her hair seems to be more red in the nude photos.”
Correct that she was not blonde when leaving Yreka, but she was brunette in january. Would love to know who she sent the pic to, if anyone.
B
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Are these the pics from today the computer expert took off the heliophone? Martinez made a visual point wrt to Jodi’s haircolor.
Court ended rather abruptly this afternoon. To resume tomorrow (Thursday) at 9:30am pdt/12:30pm edt then May 1st 9-5pm and Friday May 3rd 10-4pm wrapup and may go to jury.
blink writes:
lyla- the defense has no burden to do so. None.
B
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Lyla,
I beleive there is some burden on the defense to prove the abuse in order to secure the ” reasonable person standard” being adjusted to ” a reasonable person who had been abused”, which is part of their plea of self defense.
But I don’t know if this is a strictly legal requirement
Here is what the law regarding reasobale person stander says- look to paragrapgh IV. which addresses the defendents PERCEPTION of imminent danger. http://www.juryinstruction.com/article_section/articles/article_archive/article63.shtml
In any case,
Defense has to show how Arias perception was atered, hence abuse/ domestic claims.
So the defense has to CONVINCE the jury that Arias was abused in order to justify their claim of adjusted perception of imminenet danger on Arias part.. They have to convince jury that Travis would have leapt from the shower to body slam her over a dropped camera. Th defense is basing the claim that Travis inititaed the encounter based on ALV’s testimony that Travis had an escalating pattern of violence, so therefore, even though it was over only a dropped camera, Arias beleived he would kill her, and that instead of felling she had to fight for her life.
Guys- legally speaking, the defendant has no legal burden to even defend itself. The burden is entirely prosecutorial. The presumption of innocence is a constitutional right regardless of our personal feelings.
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blink says
Correct that she was not blonde when leaving Yreka, but she was brunette in january. Would love to know who she sent the pic to, if anyone.
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In her meanderings , Arias said she ” took lots of pictures of herself” on her iPhone. You have to admit that it fits with her narcissism to take photos before she decides who to send them to
Why is grandma on the scene now? To garner sympathy from the jury? Okay, and tonight on Dr. Drew the new announcement that Jodi was supposedly preggers and then miscarried. I never recall hearing about that in her journals. Does this woman ever stop? Not to be crude, but it’s kinda hard to get preggers when your mostly practicing anal.
Not nearly as ridiculous as the psycho re-enactment. Am I the only person to catch her Mother mouth to her today more than once- “its ok.”
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