McStay Family Murdered: Will Desert Graves Yield Their Killers?
Deserted in the Desert
Gianni Family Photo
Gianni Martelli McStay had rock star hair at only 4years old. His little brother Joseph, affectionately nicknamed Chubba- did as well. They both rocked a beanie like no other little dudes.
Chubba Family Photo
Gianni and Chubba were as inseparable in life as they were in death when they were recovered in a shallow grave in the Mojave Desert on November 11.
Their parents, Joseph, 40 and Summer McStay, 43, were located in a separate grave nearby.
A 3rd gravesite was found-but empty. A protected source not authorized to speak to the media has confirmed that at least one of the parent’s remains was bound by an electrical cord.
While formal DNA comparisons and autopsy protocols are pending, the manner of death in all four victims have been declared homicides.
Just about 50 yards off the intersection of Route 15 and Quarry Rd the family that San Diego County Sheriff’s Department (SDCSD) believed was “likely” voluntarily missing on their own and living in Mexico, was recovered in a 30 hour excavation process. An off road motorcycle enthusiast called the San Bernardino County Sheriff when he came across what he suspected was human remains.
Last April SDCSD forwarded the McStay case to the FBI based on their conclusions that the McStay’s had McGone to Mexico, following a lengthy complaint of their handling of the case by Patrick McStay, Joseph’s Father. Troy Dugal, previous lead investigator of the McStay case, appeared on several news and cable television programs over the last three years explaining there was “overwhelming” circumstantial evidence the family of four that was pictured crossing the border into Tijuana, Mexico the evening of February 8th, 2010 was in fact, the McStays.
Following the recovery, San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Office will maintain jurisdiction of the investigation.
Frenemies.. Frenethieves.. Friends.. Family or Cartel?
Who brutally murders innocent children and dumps them in a hole they dug in the desert?
Logically- someone who is very familiar with the area. Of course it is just as shocking and horrific to murder anyone, but it takes a specific brand of evil to murder a baby. Make that two.
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that either Joseph or Summer McStay had any ties to drugs, associates with ties to drugs or cartel, at any time. None.
Contrary to a top selling book on the case, “No Goodbyes” by Rick Baker, there has never been any evidence whatsoever that Summer McStay was some sort of closeted psychotic and homicidal type. The book goes on to malign members of both Joseph and Summer’s families and in some cases outright accuses same of extortion or stealing. Baker’s subsequent public theory is that Summer murdered Joseph and everyone should be looking for her and the boys in Mexico.
Not surprisingly , Baker has requested Amazon pull his book from available stock and has offered refunds to prior purchases. Popular online sleuth sites previously promoting “No Goodbye’s” have since either deleted it’s hundreds of posts endorsing Baker, or moved them to a member’s only private viewing area.
Albeit obtusely, Baker does touch on a troubling and serious abuse allegation concerning Joseph McStay’s oldest son from his first marriage, Jonah, and his step-father, Michael McFadden. He writes summer filed a complaint with Child Protective Services after she and Joseph recorded a conversation with Jonah and placed a copy of same with a private party for safekeeping. Blinkoncrime.com has been able to independently verify that is accurate, but that the investigation was not known to be completed until shortly after the McStay’s disappearance. Under California probate law, Jonah would be an heir to the McStay estate or as otherwise provisioned in the instance of an existing will.
Interviewed by Laura Ling for E! Investigation, Joseph McStay’s web administrator Dan Kavanaugh claims he was the first to become concerned. In Baker’s book, he refers to him as a suspect and details how he alleges he was funneling cash from McStay’s business account before he or anyone else knew the family was missing. Kavanaugh has an unrelated open criminal matter in San Diego County according to court records.
Chase Merritt- Joseph McStay’s business partner in his water fountain design and installation business was the last number ever dialed from his phone at 8:28PM on February 4th. Merritt joined McStay in a lunch meeting earlier that afternoon where they discussed a proposal for a very large car wash chain to feature custom fountains in each facility. According to family friend MacCargar McGyver, McStay was very excited about the opportunity. Merritt claims he passed a voluntary lie detector test, and that he was adamant that Joseph McStay would never have taken his family to Mexico and has always believed they met with foul play.
McGYver spent several days leading up to February 4th at the McStay home due to a painter Summer hired not returning to complete the job. McGyver introduced Summer and Joseph and by all accounts was a close confidant of the couple.
Patrick McStay, Joseph’s Father living in Texas has had some harsh words for the investigation into the disappearance of his son, daughter in law and grandsons.
“…most botched, inept investigation I’ve ever seen in my entire life.”
He also believes very strongly that the list of suspects with motive to kill his family members is very short. Three, to be exact.
He said the department didn’t even bother to contact him to tell him his son’s remains had been found.
“I got a message from someone [on Thursday] on Facebook telling me to go and read an article,” McStay said. “The minute I read the article, I knew it was him.”
“I have exhausted and have so much information on three possible persons of interest. All have a motive.”
The three individuals are not connected to each other, but all of them seem like likely candidates. Patrick says one of them seems to be a particularly likely suspect: he’s a wealthy man with a long rap sheet that includes charges of attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon and burglary. McStay says he, too, has a motive for killing his son.
Although Mr. McStay did not reference him by name, he may be referring to Michael James McFadden, who was arrested in July 1998 and charged with attempted murder and a litany of other felonies including great bodily harm to a child:
459/460(a) PC – Burglary 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
422 PC – Assault 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
273.5(a) PC – Domestic Violence 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
12022.7(d) PC – Infliction of great bodily injury on a child under the age of five … 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
422 PC – Assault 07/16/1999 02/25/2000 Dismissed
240 PC – Attempt to inflict violent force on another person. 07/16/1999 02/25/2000 Dismissed
245(a)(1) PC – Assault with a deadly weapon other than a firearm 07/16/1998 01/18/2000 Pled Guilty
12022.7(d) PC – Infliction of great bodily injury on a child under the age of five… 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
422 PC – Criminal Terrorist Threat 07/16/1999 01/18/2000 Pled Guilty
664-187 PC – Attempted Murder 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
You will note some of the charges are from 1998, others 1999 on the anniversary date, McFadden successfully negotiated a plea agreement and only pled to criminal terroristic threats and assault with a deadly weapon other than a firearm. Both felonies.
In the complaint he lodged against the detectives in SDCSD, Patrick McStay specifically references failure to interview key suspects he provided to LE directly.
Given the location of the bodies, it would seem that whoever is responsible would at least want investigators to think McFadden was involved. As a self-proclaimed mountain bike “racer”, McFadden has participated in several bike events in various locations all along the Route 15 Mojave corridor. SBCSO says they will be re-interviewing everyone in the case and have no suspects.
There have been no named suspects to date and the investigation is ongoing. Memorial or Funeral arrangements for the McStay’s have not yet been announced . LATE EDIT: The family and friends of the McStay family will gather at the grave site in Victorville, on Joseph’s McStay’s birthday.
To be continued in Part 2: Analysis of the last day of their lives points to involvement by someone they knew.
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“You mean like not disrespecting your hosts “viability” or apologizing when you were wrong in the first place? Like that kind of civility you mean? I agree that kind of decorum is very effective in communication and requests.”
B
Going back to my original question, I felt I was civil and demonstrated decorum. You took offense and that wasn’t my intentions.
I will admit, I was wrong that it had not been reported. My apologies, Blink. I have been known to on rare occasion to make a mistake. The jury is still out for me whether it is true or not. The initial ‘report’ Alli provided is from Nov 15. so I wonder how valid it is.
More to your reponse, Decorum is something you should have practiced as a host, not attack someone for asking a simple question or telling them to ‘do their homework’. The level of hostility and outright arrogance you presented was extremely offensive, attacking me right out of the gate. Then you continued to ridicule and belittle me over the pick of a name. Wow, how grown-up of you. This was not about being ‘right’. Maybe you should display a bit of humility yourself and apologize for being such an ass.
I humbly apologize for you being such an ass.
B
“Oh I was? Is that why only a portion of the recording was made available? Have you FOIA requested such information? I have. Have you any link to that alleged error?”
B
Ok, I can’t say that you’re wrong. You made that point. But are you trying to say that an LE agency hired this guy to call up 911 and make the report? Or that the 911 dispatcher was in on it too? Is it a conspiracy? I’m just trying to grasp this logic. With much due respect of course, can you explain that? ‘Link-challenged’ as I am, LOL what is it that you are asking for? A link to the man’s name and address? I believe the link for the recording is “Here”.
WRT the numerous comments that Chase Merritt must have had something to do with the McStay family homicides (since the burials were near his place of residence). So what! Plenty of folks associated with the McStays lived up in that area or along the route to the burial site. AG, for example, lived in Ontario, Corona and Fullerton prior to moving to San Clemente, where he lived from 2005 to 2009 and then moved on to San Diego. Then there’s AG’s big brother, who lived in Big Bear City, CA from 2005 – 2010 prior to his also moving to San Clemente.
Additionally, there were at least three listings in Joe McStay’s contact list (in addition to Chase’s) that were for phone numbers with 909 area codes in the RS/SB area:
Benito Claremont, CA
I don’t see anyone pointing the finger at CM because of his former addresses.
B
Don La Verne, CA
Josh Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Mo- respectfully, I cannot post that without a link to origin, and I can already tell you it is not accurate.
B
I think a guy was interested in summer. I think the plot was to kill joseph , make it look like the family left to mexico. Maybe they couldnt get in. Maybe summer panicked and called it off when she realized what she had orchestrated. Maybe the.lover then panicked for the joseph murder and summer was now the loosecannon. Summer had to then be killed and perp felt kids were better off dead. Painter handyman guy seems like he has lots of time to spend with summer. Is he from mexico?
angie- respectfully there is just no evidence of any of that. I admit I am protective of this family and speculations that damage their character absent any evidence to the contrary.
The painter deserves proper scrutiny, however.
B
Eloise said:
How can you determine what time frame the tracks were made? Same time, different time etc? I get what you are saying, but after such a length of time- how do you know when those tracks were laid?
Bip – I have no idea when the tracks were made. My point is, I think each set of tracks was laid on a different trip by killer. I do not think they were made on the same visit. In other words, I don’t think the killer backed in, unloaded and buried a body or two, then pulled ahead, moved over 20 or so feet, then backed in again and unloaded the other bodies and buried them. Why would killer do that? He wouldn’t. He would back in, unload the bodies, bury them in one grave, or in two graves right next to each other. He would not dig one grave, then needlessly mover over 20 feet and dig another.
I think that the existence of two sets of tracks is a huge clue, indicating that the killer made two trips to the grave site. In other words, I don’t think the killer made two sets of tracks on the same visit. I think he left one set of tracks on each of two visits made at separate times. The reason I speculate that he made two trips is that I think that JM was killed first, and SM and the boys killed later. If you are curious why I am guessing that, you can read my post here on BOC from earlier this month. In a nutshell, I think SM had a boyfriend, who killed JM then ran to Mexico with SM and boys, but ended up killing and burying the 3 later, near JM.
Bip- in the interest of full disclosure- I have a geo spatial analyst on “adjunct staff” at BOC. I have not updated my first piece on this case for investigative reasons, but in the event I do, I will include a full assessment of the “tracks” from that perspective.
So for now, and feel free to discount this over-simplified version in the interim- but those tracks are not the result of anyone “backing in” and the radius of the equipment used and “load” distribution are ultimately simple physics and matching equipment specs to them, and the terrain.
B
Can anyone provide a link showing LE indicating that JM and SM were in one grave, the boys in another? So many media reports indicate that, but I can find no evidence that LE ever indicated as much.
My guess is the media reported incorrectly that JM and SM were in one grave and the boys in the other. I’d guess that their error was in conflating JM and SM being positively identified first, and the boys later, with JM and SM being in one grave, the boys in the other. Once one media source reports that in error, others copy the mistake.
If you suspect, as I do, that JM was killed and buried first, SM and the boys killed and buried later, it matters. If they were all killed at once and buried at once, they would very likely have been buried right at the terminus of a single vehicle track. Which they weren’t.
Anyhow, my love-triangle theory is most likely wrong. I mean, at one point I thought DK did it, then MM1, then MM2, then CM. Now, I think it was the boyfriend in a lover triangle, and was either VJ or someone who has not been identified as a POI. Such a baffling case, sure hope it is solved very soon.
They were buried as reported Bip- there was no misquotes or bad info.
B
Blink said: I do think it odd that you have developed a theory without any facts to support it, but question sources that don’t fit it
There are plenty of factors in support of the love triangle theory, which I have laid out in prior posts. So you think I’m off the market, that’s cool. And you are right Blink, I have *zero* evidence that SM had a boyfriend, *zero* evidence that he killed them, and *zero* proof that the border video shows him, SM, and the boys. It is sheerly an educated guess. And with all of the suspicious characters swirling around in this case, it is a longshot. I hope the families involved, and everyone else, in the end find out what happened and who was responsible.
You are right about there being no shortage of suspicious characters Bip.
I completely believe this is a classic Occam’s Razor case.
B
I check this blog often in hopes that
Ill read an arrest has been made
But its turning into a b….feast
Some peaple really are hurt by the
Horror of this crime
I think you meant B-fest and yes, there certainly are.
B
Thank u for correcting my spelling
In my opinion police have a
Good idea who did this and
Having a problem conecting
Dots I hope they get this
Done soon I personaly
Think its based around eip
Not a love triangle imo
Thank u for correcting my spelling
In my opinion police have a
Good idea who did this and
imo eip not a love triangle seems it
Would take more than one person
To had.done this
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I too think its classic love triangle. I think there are indicAtions. Such as , cm stating marriage on rocks, close. Confidants stating marriage in trouble, husband always working, emails back and forth between summer and joseph, ex lover still in contact pursuit,. Love is a motive. I can see how this can be staged as a planned runaway. I can see summer not expecting the guy to actually kill her husband, I can see trying to get across the border, I can see summer becoming horrified at what happened, and clearly changing her mind and I can see a desparate man feeling he lost everything and needing to get rid of it all. I can see summer panicking if the perp killed joseph, I can see summer saying that wasnt part of the deal, and I can see her shocked at this unknown plan and then realizing she was in the wrong position. I can see evidence of it being a planned runaway by an exciting good looking available torrid love affair, and then murder popping in as not part of the deal. It could explain. The Trooper, the gifts in the back, the delayed border crossing attempt, the weird calls from the painter. When I ask. One of my painters on wed to come back friday, they dont ask me if they still need to come. They just come. They want to be paid. I think thats the painter. Covering something. That painter is the right age, fairly good looking and available. My money is on the love motive. I m a girl. Lots of crazy love stuff is happened from the strong desires of a man. The money motive is far too complicated a motive and way too many suspects. I see plenty of action showing an affair, and it just takes one.very twisted guy to lay out a plan… have it backfire and then be in a corner.
Occams razor would be simple. All the money angles are far too complex. The love triangle is motive enough, plausible, executable, and answers a lot of unanswered questions. If murder of jm was.or was not part of the plan, I can see.the situation backfiring and then the perps survival (no death penalty) becoming his solution. I would wonder if time of death can be determined. Whether it was mere minutes apart, or hours, days. IMaybe it was a planned meeting spot, things got ugly, summer feared a mistake, and then the perp had to just eliminate the whole problem.
angie- name one other case where an entire family of four was murdered together (to include children)no sign of a crime, struggle, no evidence anywhere of extraneous romantic relationships of either party, successfully disposed of remains in pre-excavated graves that go undetected for years, that was adjudicated with the love triangle as motive.
Your ( and others) theory of an offender and motive just do not support an offender profile or the crime scene evidence in this case. That is why I mentioned Occam. That kind of situation does not happen in a vacum and both Summer and Joey were extremely communicative on their phones, online, with close friends and family. Their would be a footprint of that activity and when you have multiple family members going through the couples every record, as well as LE, someone is going to pick up on that- I promise.
B
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533474/EXCLUSIVE-McStay-family-husband-feared-wife-POISONING-disappeared-dead-desert-claims-explosive-new-book.html
WRT: A love triangle, the only mention relating to that sort of issue was made by Chase Merritt who stated “But despite that public front, I know, prior to their disappearance they had not had sex in more than a year. . .Merritt added: ‘If I’m honest, I have no idea why he put up with it. He was such a great guy and he got his share of female attention. . .
“I remember one woman in particular was all over him for a while” . . .
“He (Joe) always said, ‘I have messed up one family before, I will not be unfaithful and ruin another one’.
WRT to the above article: Given that Joe says that he will not be unfaithful and ruin another one (family), it’s fairly certain that an unnamed woman was hitting on Joe McStay at some point and that he likely rebuffed her even though he may have been flattered by her attention. It’s reasonable and plausible that the significant other (SO) of this unnamed woman came to believe that there was an affair occurring between his woman and Joe McStay. If the SO confronted Joe about it the interchange could have become quite heated and physical very quickly. Realizing that he killed Joe, he then decided to prevent anyone from missing Joe by going after Summer. He would then have called someone that he trusted implicitly to help him dispose of the bodies and relocate the McStay’s Isuzu.
Sierra- I do not find a word that comes out of Chase Merritt’s mouth credible- most especially when it is all about promoting a book he is selling. I recall Rick Baker in an interview right after the bodies were recovered that “his publisher” ( remember that is himself) had talked him into writing another book “with someone”- I wonder if he will be involved in CM’s?
B
“I completely believe this is a classic Occam’s Razor case.
B”
February 3rd will be 12 weeks since the bodies were discovered and 4 years since the family disappeared. If an arrest is not made or at the very least some acknowledgement of the investigation’s progress by LE near that date I for one, am skeptical that an arrest will ever be made in this case. Sadly.
I think you mean February 4th, the day the family was last seen and heard from Dee’s Mom.
For the time being, I am going to keep the faith with SBCSD as assisted by the FBI.
I do agree with you that it would be in SBCD’s best interests if they are NOT progressing as quickly as they would like to provide the public with an update on the investigation.
Just as an fyi, if Ramos is empaneling a grand jury, that can take up to 8 weeks ( don’t forget this falls over the Holidays) alone.
B
“Just as an fyi, if Ramos is empaneling a grand jury, that can take up to 8 weeks ( don’t forget this falls over the Holidays) alone.”
Just curious why you think Ramos might be empaneling a grand jury. Isn’t a case typically brought before a GJ in the event the DA isn’t sure if there’s enough evidence to proceed? Since the bodies were discovered I have been of the opinion that SBSO has their suspect(s) but are just getting their ducks lined up so as to have an air-tight case. Am I just fooling myself in to thinking this will all be tied up in a neat little package, Blink?
It is my opinion that Ramos will anticipate a defense attorney seeking to change venue due to the high profile nature of the case, and therefore will impanel a special criminal grand jury to hear the evidence in this case and seek indictment. In SBC, regularly seated grand juries are a mostly volunteer endeavor, and current efforts for 2014 application began December 25.
Keep in mind, if there were other crimes occurring leading up to or during the commission of the murders, it is not known yet that ultimately this could end up a Federal indictment.
It is pretty uncommon in murder charges, and those charges would take precedence over any Federal charges to be tried first- unless there is a strategic reason not to.
If you are under the impression that a prosecutor or DA only uses a grand jury if a case is weak, it does happen in some jurisdictions and has actually happened to me in 3 cases I have had to testify in personally, but I do not see Ramos as anything but a master of the grand jury usage in the past.
To your point about this being tied up into a neat little package- if there was a parallel investigation or criminal event in play ( that led to this discovery) then may not be as neat as one would like.
B
Blink writes
It is my opinion that Ramos will anticipate a defense attorney seeking to change venue due to the high profile nature of the case, and therefore will impanel a special criminal grand jury to hear the evidence in this case and seek indictment.
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Blink, in light of this statement, what is our responsibility NOW as posters, in order to insure that this will not turn into another case vastly compromised because of intense media scrutiny?
I was very surprised to see Mike McFadden posting when this first began,, and again surprised when reading posts that seemed to take to task your opinions or opinions of others, with an adamance implying first hand knowledge.
You know I really enjoy trying to figure things out- and in a forum like this, it becomes objective, somehow removed from the horror of the crime itself. But in all honesty , I am now wondering if I should back off, stop pointing things out, stop adding 1plus 2- if ONLY to keep from propagating theories that the defense could savor.
Am I overeacting? What is the best way to serve justice in this situation, at this point , now?
signed,
whodunnit in a quandry
Unequivocally and without reservation advocate- I moderate accordingly as you know.
B
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/11/20/mcstay-family-murdered-will-desert-graves-yield-their-killers/comment-page-19/#comment-2215488
Oracle says do your homework is an attack………………………………………………………
Hey if I can be told where to find it or learn something I am fine with It and do not see it as being attacked.
Oracle Says-
Ok, I can’t say that you’re wrong. You made that point. But are you trying to say that an LE agency hired this guy to call up 911 and make the report? Or that the 911 dispatcher was in on it too? Is it a conspiracy? I’m just trying to grasp this logic. With much due respect of course, can you explain that? ‘Link-challenged’ as I am, LOL what is it that you are asking for? A link to the man’s name and address? I believe the link for the recording is “Here”.
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To me this is a hostile post. It makes fun of the person (Blink) saying things like did the 911 make it up when in fact if this person would read the idea was more that maybe it was supposed to be found, that for some reason some culprit wanted them found and IMO depending how deep this goes if someone’s feels their life is a risk and they are pulling out want to pull out rather than testify, do I put I past LE to have a fake 911 call released or rather a fraction of the part 911 call, I do not. If that Is the case and I have no idea here many things are done to protect a witness.
No- I am not posting trying to stop because they copy on this computer is too hard and the I phone is new to me. But I can correct it the best I can.
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Blink Says Link please lanni. I am not clear on what you are saying, but if you are stating Mike McStay told Patrick that he bought the EIP site, Patrick never said that, and it is my understanding Maloy gave the registration to Mike McStay, was under the assumption at the time that Mike was the owner ( based on the arbitration transcript). We need to make sure the facts are correct
B
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Patrick what he said was that Mike told him Maloy gave him the EIP site, this is what Patrick said that is what he told me, to me the wording made me wondered if he doubted the issue and that is from his facebook Patricks Facebook.
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What I am saying it that going into arbitration Mike McStay already owned EIP and it says so right in the arbitration papers. And that I saw back in the day the links to where he put himself in charge and then bought or registered the domain to the name Mike McStay
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So if going into this whatever it was civil suit over EIP Mike Owned the domain name EIP and it says that he did, then Malow gave it to him? What let him keep it? Or Mike did not give it to Maloy? It sayed registered to Mike McStay as it had been.
All Patrick said was that “mike told him Maloy gave him the domain or that’s what he told me” something to that effect. Nothing about EIP being owned by Mike prior to all this going on and him simply keeping what was registered to him in the first place. NO. What Patrick said was simply that mike told him Maloy gave it to him and other words to that effect.
Link to the arbitration where it says Mike owns EIP the domain, all I keep saying is how did Maloy give him what was his already. Seems to me if all this was illegal anyway with DK having no rights to sell anything then at least Mike McStay is family and they can work it out later.
http://domains.adrforum.com/domains/decisions/1434296.htm
https://www.facebook.com/notes/search-4-mcstays/eip-court-case/480760665296949
Under notes lots of good info
https://www.facebook.com/groups/search4mcstays/498115280228154/
http://www.riderplanet-usa.com/atv/trails/info/california_10358/map_4c96.htm
If you look and scroll up on this track map of the now defunct Adrenaline Motocross Park, Victorville, it follows Stoddard Wells Rd. right up to Quarry Rd. The 911 caller said the dump and Dale Evans Parkway. This seems like an area somebody would know well and planned for a burial site. Somebody may know the killer by thinking about their connection to this area. It was planned, it took time to dig the holes, the burial.
http://www.cbs8.com/story/12025015/search-for-missing-fallbrook-family-continues
If we are going to explore the love triangle theory then I’d like to know who Summers ex husbands were. Such as her “first husband” who always knew her as Lisa.
@27/Mo, not sure about SM’s ex-husband, but here is some info about the man who was SM’s boyfriend in 2004 when she met JM:
http://www.cbs8.com/story/24256729/mcstay-murder-mystery-who-is-vick-johansen
Vick Johansen:
1) has a criminal record and a violent background
2) has ‘anger issues’, had to go through anger management class
3) was identified by Patrick McStay as someone whom LE should take a look at
4) lived within a few miles of the McStay’s until they bought the Fallbrook home
5) remains in trouble with the law to this day
6) had just prior to 2/4/2010 professed his undying love for SM
7) is on record having stated that he ‘knows how to kill’
Is that him in the border video with SM and the boys??? Had he at that point already killed and buried JM, and was he soon to kill and bury SM and the boys hoping to have some chance of avoiding life in prison??? I wonder what his whereabouts were 2/4/2010 to 2/8/2010…
BTW, for anyone who hasn’t seen it, here is an aerial view of the graves, taken from google earth, which image was made by google on 3/21/2013 (before graves were discovered and bodies recovered) and which is still viewable on google maps at this time. Note that you can easily see the vehicle tracks leading directly to each of the graves, which are around 25 feet apart
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3744/10978867115_01cd7d32f5_z.jpg
Bip- what are you categorizing as “25ft apart” please.
B
I heard someone say most of these
Typs of crimes are done by perps
In there present life or not to far
Past imo most likely true
Not always true, but I believe it is true in this case.
B
You had the first and middle name transposed, but so this person does not get bombarded further- I am not going to post his name here.
B
I personaly dont knoW if she was
Ever married I only know who
She dated in the late 80s wich is
Useless in solving this case
Did LE ever release how much gas was in the Izusu when it was found at the border?
Great question Who, no- not to my knowledge. I do know it is believed Joey gassed up at Nelly’s around 4:30PM but I would not call that information verified to my satisfaction.
B
I find chase merrit and Joseph as the ONLY people involved hear who even know the MEANING of honesty. I think there’s a lot of lying going around simply to cover severe character flaws…..all at the expense of the investigations. Whether or not michael or cavanaugh had anything to do with the murders,they SEEM to be lying in order to disguise THER less than stellar personalities. That MAY be forgivable, if their lies weren’t hampering the investigations.
I think their would be a few folks who would disagree with you that CM is being entirely honest, fwiw.
B
I do know it is believed Joey gassed up at Nelly’s around 4:30PM but I would not call that information verified to my satisfaction.
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Was Joey driving the Izusu?
According to Chase Merritt he did that day. I do not have any independent confirmation of that with the exception that it left the home at 7:47PM, was parked “backed in”, and that it went left out of the driveway. I should say that allegedly Joey’s credit card was used to purchase gas at Nelly’s- I do not believe they had cameras at the station or if they did, they never requested that footage.
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Blink thank you I did not like what
I posted botherd me all day I felt
As you thank goodness for moderation
It’s all good alta. It is and was a fair question and response, thank you
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blink writes:
I should say that allegedly Joey’s credit card was used to purchase gas at Nelly’s
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I think that is key information. If it was Joey’s credit card with a signature, I would like to know how much gas he put in the car. But we do know that you can purchase cgas by simply putting the card in the pump, all you need to know is the billing address zip code. So in any case, if Joey’s card was used, and it wasn’t him, you need to circle in on who knew the needed info.
It is interesting to me that of all the info released, LE never referred to the amount of gas in the tank. So many clues can be derived from how much gas was left.
We had a case here in my town where other cameras caught the vehicle in the area and they didnt even know what the vehicle was. They were able to identify all cars heading in different directions during a time period narrowed down to a 25 minute period. If jm paid for gas, then other businesses within a half mile in all directions during a certain time period, and knowing it was a Trooper, I would think LE could gather some surveillance tape from a business, bank, other gas station,. There has to be a camera somewhere enroute to either the border or the bridge. My bet is still on some love gone sour, someone choosing to get rid of the problem, shocking summer and then determining too much to lose when she understands that jm ihas been killed. The biggest question
I have is why was Vick in the same area,. How long did she live with him? What circumstance caused the break up? If his life took a nose dive, thats a lot.of loss for even a person who has it all together let alone someone who already has some issues. Just sayin.
angie- just as an fyi- cameras are useless if footage is not requested as there are many media formats in use. They write over on a loop, they could be live monitor, they could require warrants not obtained by SDCSD. Vick was moving to live with a gf.
Again, respectfully, no evidence of any love triangle at all.
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Can someone post a link to a larger area of the crime scene so we can see proximity to road and construction site access.
I have just visited a site http://astrologyincrime.com/avachat/mcstay-charts/#comments
Holy moly some of the stuff is just fascinating. Every person of interest listed and then some. What do you make of this Blink?
At your request I edited a portion of your post where a comment was copied from your above link.
I think that there is a direct accusation on that site based on an astro chart- I would not be personally comfortable with that, but in fairness, I do not practice or pretend to be able to interpret such data.
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Blink,
I just copied and post waiting mod. But I was thinking since this man is so messed up and it turns out not to be him posting that could harm him even more. Please could you just delete it. Thanks for all you are doing on this case. Everyday I await an arrest so they all can RIP.
Did.
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angie:January 20, 2014 at 8:31 pm:
“Can someone post a link to a larger area of the crime scene so we can see proximity to road and construction site access.
http://tinyurl.com/kbns8zx
Also Blink, do you give any credence to the McStay neighbour reporting he saw a white truck outside Joey’s house the night they went missing? I have seen it mentioned as you also prob have I hope.
I have, but I do not believe the account is “that night”- I believe it was that day.
Thank you for posting the larger area link access. For those that have not studied it previously, I am guessing that the feedback is that this is not as remote as one would think.
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When I read Joey was a frequent cell phone user who was on track to rack up 7,000 minutes that month.
and how many hours a week that is to have a cellphone up to ones ear it made me wonder if Joey’s illness wasn’t contributed to radiation poisoning.
What do you all think?
“Radiation is a concern especially for groups of people who are constantly on their cell phones……Her husband, Alan, a realtor, developed a brain tumor that was attributed to his cell phone use. Marks said that he still uses a cell phone, but now he never holds it next to his body.
http://www.thewesternedition.com/?c=117&a=2380
Thank you Blink for the clarification on the Isuzu, that it was taken by Joseph on February 4th. I was confused by thinking that the toys in the back were purchased by Summer on the 4th and in the back of the Isuzu . Apparently she purchased no toys on the 4th. I had not heard before the possible discussion On Jan. 29th by Joseph regarding the Craiglist inquiry. Where the toys found in the back of the Isuzu purchased on Craiglist and if they were when did they get put in back of the car. Did Joey pick up the toys on Feb. 4? Why was Summer again looking on Craigslist for children’s toys?
Sniped from this article
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2011/Feb/03/mcstay-timeline-days-before-disappearance-filled/
Jan. 29 — After soccer game in Aliso Viejo in southern Orange County, Joseph is seen chatting with two men in parking lot; indication is they were there to talk to him regarding Summer’s earlier Craigslist.com inquiry.
Feb. 4
2:36 p.m. Summer McStay’s credit card used to purchase beach bags, infant pajamas, jacket from Ross store in Vista.
3:52 p.m. Home computer used to search Craigslist for children’s toys.
I am going to show my ignorance again. Who was the first painter? Have we ever had a name? It seems to me I have seen reference to him being stuck with car problems…maybe in Vegas…but I can not seem to find a link. A lot of people here seem to have followed this case closely, does anyone know who the first painter was?
The Pottery Barn kitchen set was purchased at Ross, but to my knowledge we don’t know by whom, only that it was not on the receipt from Feb 4th in Vista. According to Dugal, the UPC codes on that merchandise do not reflect what store they were purchased from. My guess would be that Summer was online researching their pricing value for resale?
I have the name of the painter and I am not releasing it for investigative reasons at this time.
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angie- go to satellite map of victorville, travel at a 45 degree angle north east from the northeast corner of the landfill and about 500 ft past victorville quarry road.
I agree with you Blink – that the love triangle theory just doesn’t seem plausible. I think it’s probably a simple case of greed gone bad.
Interesting news about the painter. That has stuck with me for awhile. Blink…I was wondering—Does SBSD have a forensic accountant on staff, do they hire that out or do they have someone like that within the FBI working on this? These cyber crimes are so complex……I just hope they have the best people on the job, and, if not…..let’s bring them in!! Just wondering your thoughts and how these things work. These murders may not have to do with cyber crime, but I tend to think they are, indirectly.
My professional opinion on that is that it would need to be preformed by the FBI based on my knowledge of their analysts and software. In general this is the case when we are talking about Federally insured transactions in the first place. As an example, I have seen Dugal’s remarks about no crimes occurring in certain instances. It was clear his position was not an official one.
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blink writes:
I should say that allegedly Joey’s credit card was used to purchase gas at Nelly’s
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speaking of credit cards, any info about business account credit cards, and who would have them if so?I have a debit cash card for my employees (with a withdrawal limit) so that purchases can be made without me having to be there- wonder if Joseph did the same.
To my knowledge, only Joey and Patrick were on his merchant account for EIP- no other authorizations on behalf of EIP existed.
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WRT: Alli @ January 5, 2014 at 1:06 pm:
“Regarding the Amoxicillin prescription, who was at the doctor? We know Summer believed in a holistic approach. There are no reports of Summer or the children being sick. Was Joey at a doctor? Was he picking up the prescription for himself or somebody else?”
“Alli- please see my last post on this with the most current info I have.”
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My Comment: A woman named Lyngladen Silagan Bullock Hernandez, DDS is a dentist who, at one time, was based in Loma Linda, CA. Her number shows up on Joe McStay’s phone record as phone number 909-556-8149. Joey received a call from this number on 1/27/2010 and spoke for ten minutes. Perhaps someone in the family had a dental emergency and required a prescription of Amoxicillin, which is an antibiotic that dentists commonly prescribe for gum and tooth infections. Perhaps Joe McStay had a dental issue which may have accounted for his reported physical complaints.
http://ca-loma-linda.doctors.at/dr/lyngladen-bullock-lyngladensilaganbullockdds
Blink, for me one of the most telling things in this bizarre case is that there was mindbogglingly paltry $1000 reward posted for info leading to the whereabouts of Joey Summer and the two boys!! ..although I am not sure exactly what that ‘tells’ me.
What are your thoughts on that.. if you can say without casting aspersions.
TIA
Honestly- I have worked on cases with million dollar rewards at one time, and varying others. I don’t know for certain, but I thought at one time Rick Baker was offering a much more significant amount. From my personal criminal investigative analyst perspective, I have not found rewards to be particularly effective regardless of the amount *in a cold case*.
Great question.
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