McStay Family Murdered: Will Desert Graves Yield Their Killers?
Deserted in the Desert
Gianni Family Photo
Gianni Martelli McStay had rock star hair at only 4years old. His little brother Joseph, affectionately nicknamed Chubba- did as well. They both rocked a beanie like no other little dudes.
Chubba Family Photo
Gianni and Chubba were as inseparable in life as they were in death when they were recovered in a shallow grave in the Mojave Desert on November 11.
Their parents, Joseph, 40 and Summer McStay, 43, were located in a separate grave nearby.
A 3rd gravesite was found-but empty. A protected source not authorized to speak to the media has confirmed that at least one of the parent’s remains was bound by an electrical cord.
While formal DNA comparisons and autopsy protocols are pending, the manner of death in all four victims have been declared homicides.
Just about 50 yards off the intersection of Route 15 and Quarry Rd the family that San Diego County Sheriff’s Department (SDCSD) believed was “likely” voluntarily missing on their own and living in Mexico, was recovered in a 30 hour excavation process. An off road motorcycle enthusiast called the San Bernardino County Sheriff when he came across what he suspected was human remains.
Last April SDCSD forwarded the McStay case to the FBI based on their conclusions that the McStay’s had McGone to Mexico, following a lengthy complaint of their handling of the case by Patrick McStay, Joseph’s Father. Troy Dugal, previous lead investigator of the McStay case, appeared on several news and cable television programs over the last three years explaining there was “overwhelming” circumstantial evidence the family of four that was pictured crossing the border into Tijuana, Mexico the evening of February 8th, 2010 was in fact, the McStays.
Following the recovery, San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Office will maintain jurisdiction of the investigation.
Frenemies.. Frenethieves.. Friends.. Family or Cartel?
Who brutally murders innocent children and dumps them in a hole they dug in the desert?
Logically- someone who is very familiar with the area. Of course it is just as shocking and horrific to murder anyone, but it takes a specific brand of evil to murder a baby. Make that two.
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that either Joseph or Summer McStay had any ties to drugs, associates with ties to drugs or cartel, at any time. None.
Contrary to a top selling book on the case, “No Goodbyes” by Rick Baker, there has never been any evidence whatsoever that Summer McStay was some sort of closeted psychotic and homicidal type. The book goes on to malign members of both Joseph and Summer’s families and in some cases outright accuses same of extortion or stealing. Baker’s subsequent public theory is that Summer murdered Joseph and everyone should be looking for her and the boys in Mexico.
Not surprisingly , Baker has requested Amazon pull his book from available stock and has offered refunds to prior purchases. Popular online sleuth sites previously promoting “No Goodbye’s” have since either deleted it’s hundreds of posts endorsing Baker, or moved them to a member’s only private viewing area.
Albeit obtusely, Baker does touch on a troubling and serious abuse allegation concerning Joseph McStay’s oldest son from his first marriage, Jonah, and his step-father, Michael McFadden. He writes summer filed a complaint with Child Protective Services after she and Joseph recorded a conversation with Jonah and placed a copy of same with a private party for safekeeping. Blinkoncrime.com has been able to independently verify that is accurate, but that the investigation was not known to be completed until shortly after the McStay’s disappearance. Under California probate law, Jonah would be an heir to the McStay estate or as otherwise provisioned in the instance of an existing will.
Interviewed by Laura Ling for E! Investigation, Joseph McStay’s web administrator Dan Kavanaugh claims he was the first to become concerned. In Baker’s book, he refers to him as a suspect and details how he alleges he was funneling cash from McStay’s business account before he or anyone else knew the family was missing. Kavanaugh has an unrelated open criminal matter in San Diego County according to court records.
Chase Merritt- Joseph McStay’s business partner in his water fountain design and installation business was the last number ever dialed from his phone at 8:28PM on February 4th. Merritt joined McStay in a lunch meeting earlier that afternoon where they discussed a proposal for a very large car wash chain to feature custom fountains in each facility. According to family friend MacCargar McGyver, McStay was very excited about the opportunity. Merritt claims he passed a voluntary lie detector test, and that he was adamant that Joseph McStay would never have taken his family to Mexico and has always believed they met with foul play.
McGYver spent several days leading up to February 4th at the McStay home due to a painter Summer hired not returning to complete the job. McGyver introduced Summer and Joseph and by all accounts was a close confidant of the couple.
Patrick McStay, Joseph’s Father living in Texas has had some harsh words for the investigation into the disappearance of his son, daughter in law and grandsons.
“…most botched, inept investigation I’ve ever seen in my entire life.”
He also believes very strongly that the list of suspects with motive to kill his family members is very short. Three, to be exact.
He said the department didn’t even bother to contact him to tell him his son’s remains had been found.
“I got a message from someone [on Thursday] on Facebook telling me to go and read an article,” McStay said. “The minute I read the article, I knew it was him.”
“I have exhausted and have so much information on three possible persons of interest. All have a motive.”
The three individuals are not connected to each other, but all of them seem like likely candidates. Patrick says one of them seems to be a particularly likely suspect: he’s a wealthy man with a long rap sheet that includes charges of attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon and burglary. McStay says he, too, has a motive for killing his son.
Although Mr. McStay did not reference him by name, he may be referring to Michael James McFadden, who was arrested in July 1998 and charged with attempted murder and a litany of other felonies including great bodily harm to a child:
459/460(a) PC – Burglary 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
422 PC – Assault 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
273.5(a) PC – Domestic Violence 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
12022.7(d) PC – Infliction of great bodily injury on a child under the age of five … 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
422 PC – Assault 07/16/1999 02/25/2000 Dismissed
240 PC – Attempt to inflict violent force on another person. 07/16/1999 02/25/2000 Dismissed
245(a)(1) PC – Assault with a deadly weapon other than a firearm 07/16/1998 01/18/2000 Pled Guilty
12022.7(d) PC – Infliction of great bodily injury on a child under the age of five… 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
422 PC – Criminal Terrorist Threat 07/16/1999 01/18/2000 Pled Guilty
664-187 PC – Attempted Murder 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
You will note some of the charges are from 1998, others 1999 on the anniversary date, McFadden successfully negotiated a plea agreement and only pled to criminal terroristic threats and assault with a deadly weapon other than a firearm. Both felonies.
In the complaint he lodged against the detectives in SDCSD, Patrick McStay specifically references failure to interview key suspects he provided to LE directly.
Given the location of the bodies, it would seem that whoever is responsible would at least want investigators to think McFadden was involved. As a self-proclaimed mountain bike “racer”, McFadden has participated in several bike events in various locations all along the Route 15 Mojave corridor. SBCSO says they will be re-interviewing everyone in the case and have no suspects.
There have been no named suspects to date and the investigation is ongoing. Memorial or Funeral arrangements for the McStay’s have not yet been announced . LATE EDIT: The family and friends of the McStay family will gather at the grave site in Victorville, on Joseph’s McStay’s birthday.
To be continued in Part 2: Analysis of the last day of their lives points to involvement by someone they knew.
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I too have never believed that it was the McStays in the video. I will say though, assuming that the timeline from LE with regard to the arrival of the Trooper in that San Ysidro parking lot is correct, the video of that “mystery family” crossing the border is both very intriguing and compelling. I think the obvious similarities of timing, clothing, configuration of family and age of children, at least for the woman and the two children is rather stunning. Was it simply a random yet remarkably convenient coincidence? Or could there be more there than meets the eye? I do think that the power of suggestion is hard to ignore. But hence my questions as to how deeply LE dug in and investigated this. They purportedly were able to track the family that was sighted in the diner pouring over a map to a family in Canada. Of course there were fingerprints left behind to assist with that effort. But I do wonder what efforts were put in to disprove that was the McStays crossing the border that night, in addition to attempting to prove it. If one entertains the idea that this was a staged family and event to further the ruse that they fled over the border voluntarily for whatever reason, then it follows that there was a fair amount of planning and others involved. My personal belief at this point, is that it was not the McStays, but the similarities as noted as well as the timing are certainly interesting at the least.
Is mm considerd a poi if you
May answer
I will answer you this way- I believe that Mike McStay has been quoted as saying that everyone is a suspect all over again since the family was recovered. I have never seen him publicly deny taking funds or selling Joey and Summer’s belongings, but I have to believe he has concerns about his part in that.
B
Thank you, B, and please accept my deepest apologies. I still have not found the coordinates, but I want to state emphatically that I am not a psychic. I just stated what I think happened based on what we do know.
I would appreciate it very much if you would delete my posts.
Thank you so much.
Jimbob
Reading all the posts about how easy it is to cross into Mexico without ID’s, and it concerns me for the cases of abducted children. Off topic I know, but brings to mind that there should be different rules when crossing the border with children.
I concur with the above comments about crossing the border into Mexico–no ID is needed and at that time you just walked across, first passing through turnstiles like at the San Diego Zoo. I used to go down regularly before I deemed it simply too dangerous. Children were treated no differently–masses of people walked across at any given time, both children and adults. Upon return, back then I only had to show my California driver’s license to get back in. Passports were not required then.
Also ,many many people in San Diego wear Uggs,jackets and have long hair like the supposed “Summer” person on the border video. They also have small children in tow. And with such a grainy video, it could have been any number of different families walking across. I really don’t think it was the McStays.
Bottom Line:
IF someone forced Summer, and the kids to cross the border with them, they had to know that they would NOT be I.D ed, or they wouldn’t have taken the chance.
the whole border crossing video thing is rife with problems, and as far as being useful to identify exactly who the murderer is, it doesn’t seem like it could yield the KEY.
I think it is another case of SDPD using confirmation bias to come to the conclusion that it was a voluntary missing case. So at the time, they didn’t even think to check if the family had returned, which under any circumstances would have required ID.
Unless the perp already had fake ID covered. rabbit hole alert!
WRT: Jimbob says:
February 10, 2014 at 10:25 pm
“OK, I have not posted on any of the blogs so far . . . I think there were two motives for the killing – motives as old as time – nothing new about the motives.”
My Comment: Would that be sex and money?
I don’t recall seeing this posted before.
http://www.cbs8.com/story/24378790/portion-of-911-call-in-mcstay-murders-released-to-cbs-news-8
Having read multiple articles on the McStay case, and wondering who discovered the graves in Victorville, I just came across this today. Not the complete 911 call but still interesting. My apology in advance if this is repetitious.
Blink, your input regarding obtaining fake IDs – passports, ID cards, licenses, etc. – would be appreciated. Firstly, just how easy (or difficult) would it have been to obtain such a thing four years ago, in your opinion? Secondly, would it have fooled the border types at San Ysidro then? The drug trade was certainly going strong, and, of course, there is the terrorism aspect. Thanks.
I do not believe that there is any evidence that Joey or Summer had any fake identification which would allow them to travel internationally. Most certainly, not with 2 toddlers.
The reality is, HLS has enough firepower in 2010 to know at the very least, who came BACK into the US and I can tell you as a point of fact there were processes put in place to track the McStay family once missing person reports were filed- and same are requirements to involve interpol.
I think the point here really is this. Am I comfortable US DOJ, HLS and the FBI have the resources to locate this family if they indeed were that family the evening of Feb 8th?
Yes.
Am I comfortable they were never placed in WITSEC?
Yes.
Am I comfortable that LE can state with certainty that the Trooper was placed at the San Ysidro location on February 8th, 2010?
I am not.
Do I expect either agency to be forthcoming with that snafu anytime soon?
No.
B
In my opinion one does not
Sell others stuff less they
Know ones not comming
Back. …. Hundred pound
Elephant in the room for me
Do you have a reason
Why cause maybe there is
A good explanation. Otherwise
He is leaving himself looking
Guilty of something
Hypothetically- I think one can know someone is never coming back even if one did not insure that. That is as specific as I can be at the moment.
B
Whodunnit
Your last sentence in your 2:41 pm post is a very possible scene.
Several years ago, maybe ten or more, the 60 minutes show sent one of their well known people to San Diego area for the express purpose of exposing the fake ID business. He was able to purchase documents from three different people. They were drivers license, Passport with previous stamps on them and social security cards. The quality of the documents was so good when compared to real ones that it was difficult for one to know if they were fake.
The last time I crossed into Mexico by auto, over the Rio Grande, you had to present your drivers license on the U.S. side and the Border Agent wanted to know how long and the purpose for your visit. When you reached the Mexican side you were stopped while still on the bridge and those in the vehicle were counted and then you were directed to a parking lot a block away. There you were made to present your license to a military policeman and advise him of where you were going and how long you planned to stay.
On the return trip, you stopped at the Mexican side, where you were again questioned and then you paid the bridge toll. The Mexicans did not build the bridge, but they collected a toll anyway.
The American side was similar with the added questions regarding anything purchased in Mexico. Duties were required on some things and if you purchased them, you were directed to the customs area on the American side. No passport required in ether direction, only a drivers license. There were no children in our party, so I don’t know if additional documentation was required for them.
Four sentenced for mailing pot from PB
Four people who were involved with mailing packages of marijuana from Pacific Beach have all been placed on three years’ probation, with the ringleader getting one year in jail. (or possibly allowed out during the day to report to a work center).
http://matchbin-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/public/sites/351/assets/8B7W_BBP_01_23_14.pdf
See Page 5 under “Newsbriefs”.
Thanks Sierra- I am aware. Interesting how the 30K per week for a year, illegal weapons, and the utilization of the USPS which would escalate this crime to a Federal statute, is not mentioned.
If I am mailing poundages of weed out of state, that is subject to a trafficking charge, all sorts of immediate seizures- and of course let’s not forget- who is it going to? Did several individuals in multiple states get anonymous weed and then send cash for same anonymously?
Seriously. This informant chit needs regulations. Most importantly, because one of the Bowery Boys is going to end up in a trunk or they bay.
B
I have read countless articles and comments regarding this tragedy and would like to submit these points:
1. I cannot find the original Orange County Register article but link below is a quote from MM stating, “My fear is that I’m looking for two adult shallow graves.”
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/san-537136-mcstay-remains.html
2. “I haven’t been here and I wanted to see the site”, direct quote from MM at 1:27 into the video:
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Desert-Memorial-Service-for-McStay-Family-232776141.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_LABrand
3. MM has knowledge of shooting range nearby (as quoted in the link below) – but hadn’t been to the site. He even mentions gunshots – even though cause of death has not been given up to this point.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2511190/Mystery-digger-track-marks-McStay-family-grave-site.html
The McStay Family never crossed into Mexico. They were lured away from their home by someone they knew and they fully expected to return home. This quadruple homicide is not drug/cartel related.
Cheryl- is the last comment your opinion? If it is, I disagree that anyone can say definitively that the family was “lured”, did not leave on their own under some auspice, or that they were forced to leave their home by a person or persons that left them no choice under exigent circumstances to include fear of mortal harm to them and their children.
I agree that I do not believe the McStay’s ever went to mexico as alleged by SDCSD. It belies any investigative matrix I am aware of unless there is some sort of evidence I am not aware of.
B
Thank you for your insight Blink, I did see where you addressed the tracks in previous posts afterall.And I do think your version would fit the circumstances in this case.
I see what you are saying about not being able to discount the third potential grave.If I am following you correctly,the third grave was the original planned burial site.This would explain why it is further out into the desert,the original plan was to have the graves further into the desert not right off the roadway where they were found.
I can see someone getting halfway through digging one grave by hand and then realize there is no way they would be able to finish it(let alone dig another one).That is when the decision to bring the Bobcat came in.
If the Bobcat is used,I can see the Bobcat being pulled down the little dirt road by a truck on a trailer,the truck parks on the little dirt road,the Bobcat is backed off of the trailer,enters the desert,digs one grave,backs up,moves down a few yards enters the desert,digs the second grave,backs up,pulls back onto the trailer.I think it is assumed the person using the Bobcat is a professional,he may be an amateur using the Bobcat and wants to do as little as possible with it.He may have wanted to dig deeper graves but that is what he managed to do,not being familiar with the Bobcat.It is believed this was done by someone in a hurry,so I could see the person getting out there and digging as quickly as possible to get the Bobcat back on the trailer and out of there.
Cindy, most respectfully, I do not feel I could offer an opinion on the intended use or actual use of the 3rd site with the information I have- which does include some that has not been made public.
I think commentary that these graves could be a dump site because they are so close to the expsway, and their shallowness means perps were rushed- is from folks that have not been to the site, or lack investigative analysis training.
I maintain that WE have not been able to exclude the 3rd site as relevant to the case, and I would further state that all sites themselves will ultimately reveal the relationship between the offender and the victims.
B
No offense, but respectfully, not the place for that post.
I will say this, however, Mr. Blink is an avid hunter and we donated every ounce of meat we would not use ourselves to underprivileged families and a homeless shelter and soup kitchen this year. I am a firearm enthusiast and while I could personally never kill an animal, I am thankful others can if it is for a food source because the eco and wildlife system in my area alone is absolutely the likes of which I have never seen this year.
I am sick when I see wildlife on the side of the road with a great big orange X, marking in my head the potential post- mortem interval of same based on a drive-by.
Blinkette was driving the other day (Jr. license) and she stopped in the middle of the road for an oversized raccoon. I could hit a very small target from far away in a wide range of elevations with any one of the guns we own, and I have a red tail hawk perched in my 100+ year old tulip tree eyeing my 12 lb puppy every day and regardless of whether it is a Federal offense to kill it, I would never consider it and treat that creature like the family sentinel in the tree.
Not trying to be soap boxy here, but let’s agree comments like that should be posed to a worthy audience, and I, and we, are not that.
B
Thanks b I got it and elephant has left the room
Dear Blink: I very much appreciate your
elaborate answer. But I feel that if you are a hunter, my post was not a waste of time because contrary to what you said: Hunters are some of our targetted audiences as far as trying to get them to stop hunting. Take care Blink. Love everything about your site.
Sounbeach- I am not a hunter but I am married to one as I specified. I still do not understand why this was a venue for your cause per se, and although it will be unfair to you, because it is off topic I will stop the discussion here, except to say that there is a huge difference between hunting for sport and hunting for food and repurpose. I don’t know where you are from, but I can tell you that the animal population in our rural area if not “hunted” for use- will end up run over, drowned in flash streams, or quite simply in this Winter- starvation. I would stand right next to you in protest for objection to hunting for sport-
But, not here when this thread is about a quadruple homicide to include babies.
Thank you for your respectful delivery and response, however.
B
wrt Blink’s comment of “Seriously. This informant chit needs regulations. Most importantly, because one of the Bowery Boys is going to end up in a trunk or they bay.
B”
My Comment: None of that is good for any of them even though they appear to have gotten off pretty easy. Wonder if they had to give up anybody and who that might be.
I do not wonder at all. Nor do any folks that they have done business with.
B
Correction: I wonder if they had to give up anybody and who they might be.
WRT: December 23, 2013 at 2:41 pm
This Patrick is Patrick H Maloy. I have not yet been able to rule out if he is a relative of Patrick W., who in my opinion is in the middle of his next ponzi take.
B
My Comment: The individual who owns Water Feature Supply is Patrick H Maloy – a San Diego native who is around 30 years old and has parents living in San Diego and in their fifties. Also, has a slightly younger brother and a sister. A 31 year-old woman with the same name as his sister lived both in Victorville and in San Diego. This PHM doesn’t appear to be a relative of Patrick W. His father’s name is SMM.
wrt: February 14, 2014 at 2:09 am
correction: the father of PHM is not in his fifties as he died while in his forties.
If jm was involved with these people that got busted it sure is a coincidence. Its a coincidence that jm fountain business took off so fast, internet advertising or no Internet advertising. Its a coincidence that family and friends dont think it odd that jm is no longer phoning them after seemingly excessive contact. Its odd that no obe came forward sooner, odd that family started sellingvthings off, odd that no one is desparately trying to put 2 and 2 together. On the contrary, they are petrified to say anything or even dare speculate. I woukd say they are suspiciously vague. Even their celebration at the graveside is peculiar to say the least. A public display of acceptance they arent gonna talk. Lest they be next. Families and close friends would know. Maybe not parents but definitel a close friend or sibling. When a whole family is dobe in thats not the first straw of discobtent. Thats the last straw of discontent. I still believe jms stomach troubles and vertigo are more related to impending doom to pay the piper and I believe all those calls put into mortgage centers were a desparate attempt to get cash to pay the pioer. Since it was bad timing for loans due to the economy perhaps the fountain winfall of $80k was what ge went to talk to someone about. Its not you just pack up a family and dispose of them. This was a pay the piper moment. Cm knew this and I bet he stayed his distance even with answering an evenibg call. Cm of all people would have noticed the kack of communication since they usually communicated many times a day. He pretty much said nothing after tgey were gone. This speaks of a deal with the wrong group and delays are up. No more excuses. And those around them mm and cm are pretty much aware and keeping very clean noses to avoid a similar fate.
What calls to mortgage centers are you referring to?
B
Blink- for your brain only and you can use my email to respond. ANY thoughts, anywhere, at any time ,about any connection to Israel keyes?,,, he would bury murder its close to destination of his intended victims months in advance ( third grave?) Put me out of my misery! I keep thinking about his modus operandi, the fact of his presence in so cal during time of murders. His use of the victims cell phones to send texts .
Keyes is a dead end, and I do not mean that as a pun.
B
1. WRT: Sierra says:
February 12, 2014 at 11:27 pm
B said:
…”If I am mailing poundages of weed out of state, that is subject to a trafficking charge, all sorts of immediate seizures- and of course let’s not forget- who is it going to? Did several individuals in multiple states get anonymous weed and then send cash for same anonymously?”…
My Comment:
B, Were any of the receiving parties in the various states also arrested in May/June 2013?
http://www.reverbnation.com/page_object/page_object_photos/artist_829108
DK’s debut band, CyberShock, had a single debut of its track called “Meat Cleaver”. Thaz the Wayyyyy to Represent. So Charming.
Interesting that MS and PHM both played water polo in their earlier years. MS (who will be 30 years old this April) played on the Water Polo Team while in high school in 2001 when he was a sophomore. PHM (also about 30 years old) blogs that he grew up playing water polo. Seems likely that the kids from La Jolla High probably played the kids at St. Augustine or at Scripps Ranch occasionally.
http://www.ljhs.sandi.net/athletics/waterpolo_boys_var/2001/Bio_pages/schneider_matt.htm
http://patrickmaloy.wordpress.com/tag/patrick-maloy-san-diego/
Per PHM: “I grew up surfing, swimming and playing water polo and almost never had a second of down time. This attitude persists in me and I continue to work towards maintaining peak physical condition.”
correction to February 14, 2014 at 3:25 pm
… (who will be 30 years old in April 2015)…
San Diego County Superior Court has a criminal case from back in 11/05/2007 against a person named Patrick Maloy. dnk if is the same as the PHM with Water Feature Supply though.
CA209383
MALOY, PATRICK San Diego Criminal 11/05/2007
Blink-
What are your thoughts on the Craig’s List ad posted a year before the family was found,asking if anyone saw someone driving a white Trooper in Victorville/Apple Valley during the months of 2/10-7/10?
TY
I have yet to see a cache of it. Everything I have seen is a cut and paste. If it was legit, definitely worthy of exploration.
B
Blink-
If you know, was it Chase who stated Joeseph left at noon for the meeting in Rancho Cucomongo or how is it known Joseph left at noon on 2/4?
TY
Cell records and time of arrival.
B
Forgive me,my first post and could not find a way to reply to a certain post.
I haven’t followed this case until after the bodies were found,so kinda reluctant to post questions incase it has been beaten by the horse already.My question concerns the woman (assumed to be Summer) in the video of the family walking into Mexico. Is it known from family or friends that she wore a coat over her hair. She had long hair, and most women I know pull their hair out to hang over the coat. This really made me think it was not her.Very interesting case.
I do not believe anyone in the family is willing to say they think that is Summer based on the footage available.
B
Sorry, tried to locate publication of all mcstays phone calls that day but its been deleted. Part of Bakers posts. However being a mortgage broker I understand this process at the time. Money was super easy when mcstay bought his home. Money was impossible to get when he disappeared. His calls were posted to this mortgage company prior to his death. To me, mortgage broker, they seemed consistent with those trying to refi at this time. Incredulous that it was not possible. Panicked. But logical for the time. If someone was looking fo r their quarter mill back I can see a payback thats completely ugly. Time is one thing but extratime on a quarter mil in a down trending market is enough motive for a family snuff. I do think the family was collateral damage. That the chi.dren were not expected. Perhaps summer was not expected either. Thiscant be a small price to pay. This is a big price to pay. This is not relaliation for a. $40K transgression. This is a quarter mil transgression. This is a pay me back or its over now situation and thats the only reason killing two little children would be part ofit. You wouldn’t do that over $50k. $50k is easily replaced . This is bigger. You kill children when its a quarter mil, not 50k.. no one would kill children over 50k. Thats small money. A lover would kill children. But not organized crime.
R Baker published. Jm phone calls. At that time I noticed an odd amount of calls to a refinance mortgage center. I fekt why would he do that if not to get money. What would make you nauseous. Inability to reach a financial deadline. Especially if a loan shark was threatening you. The number of checkup financial calls jm was making was excessive in his l ast days. Typical at that time. Turn downs were high then, as well as disbelief. No one really new hpw tough it was then.
Sierra I do not agree whatsoever that information should be posted publicly, and I also find it an egregious invasion of privacy. This is a quadruple murder investigation, and I personally heard Rick Baker say in an interview ( the first WS sludge) that he did not wish to interfere in the investigation.
How would anyone justify it is their right to publish privacy-protected information?
Another thing- that email he posted from the Dr is protected by HIPAA law. It is none of his business or frankly our business if a child is seeing a therapist and the therapists name. Outrageous.
He is an assclown and a liar and he could give a rats ass about this family with such conduct.
B
Blink-
Do you know if the information regarding the search for “ANGER” medication on the home computer and the call to the homeopathic store regarding this medication on 2/4 come from LE?
TY
That is my understanding but I cannot independently confirm that.
B
There are quite a few aspects to this crime that can potentially be attributed to the MO of a cartel assassination. Looking at what is known publicly of the way JM conducted bussiness, the people he seemed to have surrounded himself with and the geographical area he chose to live in, its not hard to imagine that possibility. And yet at times one gets the distinct sense that there is more than that. Especially when one imagines how they were enticed to come out of their house bringing the children, how the pre- planning of these assassins included digging grave sites, going to the trouble and risk of driving the Tropper to the Border etc . It is then, when those things are considered, that one goes back to that feeling that this crime seemed very personal and in a perverted sense of the word: that this crime seems to have a level of intimacy exercised and only known to the killer.
Blink-
I appreciate you answering all my questions,just trying to sort some things out. I read through some previous posts regarding the Quickbooks, but still had a couple questions. Were these web based Quickbooks or installed directly to the home computer? I googled Quickbooks and it looks like software you install onto a computer, did the person who tried to access the Quickbooks on the 6th have access to the home computer on the 6th or this could’ve been done online? And how is it known someone tried to access the Quickbooks? Would this have been through LE after the search of the home computer?
TY
It could have been both, but he would definitely have it on his computer to utilize the functions. I don’t believe it had the realtime interfacing to bank systems until 2012.
B
wrt: Cindy says: February 15, 2014 at 7:20 am
Blink- What are your thoughts on the Craig’s List ad posted a year before the family was found,asking if anyone saw someone driving a white Trooper in Victorville/Apple Valley during the months of 2/10-7/10?
Cindy,
Are you referring to the months of FEB thru JULY of 2010? Or did you mean the five days following Feb 4 2010?
WRT: Sierra says: February 16, 2014 at 3:29 am
“Sierra I do not agree …”
My Comment: I simply gave you the link to RB’s most recent posting, sans any comments from myself. So, why do you feel the need to go off on me? As the moderator, and in fairness to the other readers, please do share and confirm that I did not attempt to post any personal info here.
I was not going off on you, I was clearly “going off” on Baker. All you did was post the link, and I responded to my feelings about it. It was not personal to you Sierra, and if you thought so I apologize.
B
who really knows everything about all the people they are friends, acquaintances, or friend of a friends to,or that we do business with? Do you really think that business people who have repeat customers that buy from them or supply them with material really check each and every persons background that they know or do business with? How much of your friends, family or business associates lives do you really know about? So to criticize Joseph for that is a big stretch and a question I find absurd
I agree.
B
wow Vic looked completely diff ( normal if you will ) in that picure by the house they had with a very pregnant Summer who it has been surmised was joeys. Gianni certainly looked like Joey.
It too me ages to realize it was Vic and not Summers brother.
from RBaker McStay achives:
Thats because it is her brother Kenny
B
Blink re above post the pic did not sppers. Can we post pics here? TIA.
sLOve and edit option after s post for typos etc.
http://i.imgur.com/fIPRAjK.jpg
Sierra-
Sorry I did mean Feb.-Jul. 2010.
Let us say that a “suspects” “alibi” is being in Hawaii at the time of the crime.
It would take the suspect less than 24 hours to come back to California and commit the crime.
(5 hours 30 mins.) Flight back to San Diego
Contact Mcstays and get them to come to your place in San Diego (say on the premise that you have a birthday present for their son from Hawaii and you are only in town for a few days) (56 mins.) drive from Fallbrook to San Diego
You kill them in your apartment or house or drug them (1 hour)
You load them in the car/truck (1 hour)
You drive them to Victorville (2 hours 14 mins.)
You bury them, maybe also kill them if they are just drugged (2 hours)
Drive back to San Diego (2 hours 14 mins.)
Drive their SUV to San Ysidro (19 mins.)
Take a cab or bus back to San Diego (19 mins.)
Fly back to Hawaii (Oahu) (5 hours 30 mins.)
5.30
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2.14
2.0
2.14
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5.30
19.82 Total Hours (give or take some time the suspect would still have 4 hours and 18 mins. available).
Question: If a suspect is on vacation for 6 weeks is it easy to disappear for 24 hours and not be noticed? Is it doable?
http://www.cbs8.com/story/24277118/mcstay-murder-mystery-who-is-dan-kavanaugh
http://www.cheaterville.com/?page=cheaters&id=10506
Bystander…the guy in that photo is Summer’s brother Kenny…not Vic.
Bystander says:
February 17, 2014 at 5:20 pm
http://i.imgur.com/fIPRAjK.jpg
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That most certainly is Kenneth, Summer’s brother. They look like two peas in a pod. And that is not Big Bear – it’s Fallbrook.
I have to correct myself. That’s not Fallbrook, but it isn’t Big Bear. Somewhere in SoCal – perhaps the sister’s home. She would have been pregnant with Gianni.
We agree it is definitely Kenny Aranda.
B
Blink,
Do you think Joey or Summer knew about the loan Mike had taken out on EIP claiming he was the owner? Since Joey wasn’t around to state he did or did not want to press charges Mike was able to get out of trouble with that fraud. Would he have gone to jail if Joey had pressed charges? I don’t think Summer would of hesitated to make him own up and let the chips fallen where they may. He would of been exposed and possible jail. Where did he get the money for the fire business? Doesn’t he have to pay back the EIP loan? Why in the world would he go and adopt children in the middle of this tragedy not to mention how did he afford it? If it is true he was always “borrowing” from Joe how could he think he could feed a couple more mouths? Does his wife have some high paying job? I don’t understand that man. Why does he still have a donate button on his site. Donate to what his slush fund. He has always said and done so many things that don’t add up. I can’t shake the feeling he is the one who could break this case wide open. Also, isn’t his friend the owner of the exact type business. Wouldn’t that make them competitors? And his business address is a UPS mail box. Is that correct? Where does he keep all his equipment and diggers or trucks? He states he has no employees but on his facebook he shows him and his “worker” in a ditch although they sure don’t look dirty. I will be watching that dateline for sure just to see what new never before seen photos he sold them. In my opinion Summers family should of had the pics since it was her camera he stole them from. Everyday I check to see if an arrest has been made and it saddens me there has not. I want justice so much for the McStays. Do you think the case will be solved? Everything is so hinky. Feel free to edit my post. Thank you for sticking to facts. You’re work is impeccable and much appreciated.
I believe this case will solve, yes.
B
The on-line real time banking system was offered in 2009 for the web hosted or “cloud” computing. It had problems and was suspended for three or four months to make the necessary fixes and then put back in service.
We don’t know the set-up for the McStay’s use of this program. Quickbooks has about 90 per cent of the market. There are all sorts of special versions to handle different business types. It has links through all the major web brousers and will transfer data to spread sheets and word processors. The cloud versions are by yearly subscription and they will not support a version older than three years.