McStay Family Murdered: Will Desert Graves Yield Their Killers?
Deserted in the Desert
Gianni Family Photo
Gianni Martelli McStay had rock star hair at only 4years old. His little brother Joseph, affectionately nicknamed Chubba- did as well. They both rocked a beanie like no other little dudes.
Chubba Family Photo
Gianni and Chubba were as inseparable in life as they were in death when they were recovered in a shallow grave in the Mojave Desert on November 11.
Their parents, Joseph, 40 and Summer McStay, 43, were located in a separate grave nearby.
A 3rd gravesite was found-but empty. A protected source not authorized to speak to the media has confirmed that at least one of the parent’s remains was bound by an electrical cord.
While formal DNA comparisons and autopsy protocols are pending, the manner of death in all four victims have been declared homicides.
Just about 50 yards off the intersection of Route 15 and Quarry Rd the family that San Diego County Sheriff’s Department (SDCSD) believed was “likely” voluntarily missing on their own and living in Mexico, was recovered in a 30 hour excavation process. An off road motorcycle enthusiast called the San Bernardino County Sheriff when he came across what he suspected was human remains.
Last April SDCSD forwarded the McStay case to the FBI based on their conclusions that the McStay’s had McGone to Mexico, following a lengthy complaint of their handling of the case by Patrick McStay, Joseph’s Father. Troy Dugal, previous lead investigator of the McStay case, appeared on several news and cable television programs over the last three years explaining there was “overwhelming” circumstantial evidence the family of four that was pictured crossing the border into Tijuana, Mexico the evening of February 8th, 2010 was in fact, the McStays.
Following the recovery, San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Office will maintain jurisdiction of the investigation.
Frenemies.. Frenethieves.. Friends.. Family or Cartel?
Who brutally murders innocent children and dumps them in a hole they dug in the desert?
Logically- someone who is very familiar with the area. Of course it is just as shocking and horrific to murder anyone, but it takes a specific brand of evil to murder a baby. Make that two.
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that either Joseph or Summer McStay had any ties to drugs, associates with ties to drugs or cartel, at any time. None.
Contrary to a top selling book on the case, “No Goodbyes” by Rick Baker, there has never been any evidence whatsoever that Summer McStay was some sort of closeted psychotic and homicidal type. The book goes on to malign members of both Joseph and Summer’s families and in some cases outright accuses same of extortion or stealing. Baker’s subsequent public theory is that Summer murdered Joseph and everyone should be looking for her and the boys in Mexico.
Not surprisingly , Baker has requested Amazon pull his book from available stock and has offered refunds to prior purchases. Popular online sleuth sites previously promoting “No Goodbye’s” have since either deleted it’s hundreds of posts endorsing Baker, or moved them to a member’s only private viewing area.
Albeit obtusely, Baker does touch on a troubling and serious abuse allegation concerning Joseph McStay’s oldest son from his first marriage, Jonah, and his step-father, Michael McFadden. He writes summer filed a complaint with Child Protective Services after she and Joseph recorded a conversation with Jonah and placed a copy of same with a private party for safekeeping. Blinkoncrime.com has been able to independently verify that is accurate, but that the investigation was not known to be completed until shortly after the McStay’s disappearance. Under California probate law, Jonah would be an heir to the McStay estate or as otherwise provisioned in the instance of an existing will.
Interviewed by Laura Ling for E! Investigation, Joseph McStay’s web administrator Dan Kavanaugh claims he was the first to become concerned. In Baker’s book, he refers to him as a suspect and details how he alleges he was funneling cash from McStay’s business account before he or anyone else knew the family was missing. Kavanaugh has an unrelated open criminal matter in San Diego County according to court records.
Chase Merritt- Joseph McStay’s business partner in his water fountain design and installation business was the last number ever dialed from his phone at 8:28PM on February 4th. Merritt joined McStay in a lunch meeting earlier that afternoon where they discussed a proposal for a very large car wash chain to feature custom fountains in each facility. According to family friend MacCargar McGyver, McStay was very excited about the opportunity. Merritt claims he passed a voluntary lie detector test, and that he was adamant that Joseph McStay would never have taken his family to Mexico and has always believed they met with foul play.
McGYver spent several days leading up to February 4th at the McStay home due to a painter Summer hired not returning to complete the job. McGyver introduced Summer and Joseph and by all accounts was a close confidant of the couple.
Patrick McStay, Joseph’s Father living in Texas has had some harsh words for the investigation into the disappearance of his son, daughter in law and grandsons.
“…most botched, inept investigation I’ve ever seen in my entire life.”
He also believes very strongly that the list of suspects with motive to kill his family members is very short. Three, to be exact.
He said the department didn’t even bother to contact him to tell him his son’s remains had been found.
“I got a message from someone [on Thursday] on Facebook telling me to go and read an article,” McStay said. “The minute I read the article, I knew it was him.”
“I have exhausted and have so much information on three possible persons of interest. All have a motive.”
The three individuals are not connected to each other, but all of them seem like likely candidates. Patrick says one of them seems to be a particularly likely suspect: he’s a wealthy man with a long rap sheet that includes charges of attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon and burglary. McStay says he, too, has a motive for killing his son.
Although Mr. McStay did not reference him by name, he may be referring to Michael James McFadden, who was arrested in July 1998 and charged with attempted murder and a litany of other felonies including great bodily harm to a child:
459/460(a) PC – Burglary 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
422 PC – Assault 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
273.5(a) PC – Domestic Violence 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
12022.7(d) PC – Infliction of great bodily injury on a child under the age of five … 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
422 PC – Assault 07/16/1999 02/25/2000 Dismissed
240 PC – Attempt to inflict violent force on another person. 07/16/1999 02/25/2000 Dismissed
245(a)(1) PC – Assault with a deadly weapon other than a firearm 07/16/1998 01/18/2000 Pled Guilty
12022.7(d) PC – Infliction of great bodily injury on a child under the age of five… 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
422 PC – Criminal Terrorist Threat 07/16/1999 01/18/2000 Pled Guilty
664-187 PC – Attempted Murder 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
You will note some of the charges are from 1998, others 1999 on the anniversary date, McFadden successfully negotiated a plea agreement and only pled to criminal terroristic threats and assault with a deadly weapon other than a firearm. Both felonies.
In the complaint he lodged against the detectives in SDCSD, Patrick McStay specifically references failure to interview key suspects he provided to LE directly.
Given the location of the bodies, it would seem that whoever is responsible would at least want investigators to think McFadden was involved. As a self-proclaimed mountain bike “racer”, McFadden has participated in several bike events in various locations all along the Route 15 Mojave corridor. SBCSO says they will be re-interviewing everyone in the case and have no suspects.
There have been no named suspects to date and the investigation is ongoing. Memorial or Funeral arrangements for the McStay’s have not yet been announced . LATE EDIT: The family and friends of the McStay family will gather at the grave site in Victorville, on Joseph’s McStay’s birthday.
To be continued in Part 2: Analysis of the last day of their lives points to involvement by someone they knew.
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Just a comment about Belize….it’s being promoted in Canada as an excellent investment oppty for retirement. There seems to be a lot of focus on property investing in the country in that past year or so.
Just my 2 cents…CAD. Dollar is lower than a limbo pole
That’s correct. It is also a top tier vacation destination.
B
Hi Blink,
I’ve read through and haven’t seen anything about this. What do you think about this Craiglist post that was made about a year ago? Just a coincidence?
Thank you, just found your site, it’s very insightful.
Rest with the angels family McStay.
$500 Reward for information on McStay family vehicle (Apple Valley, Victorville)
Date: 2012-11-11, 7:57AM PST
Reply to this postReply to: zgw9t-3383145474 – at – comm.craigslist.org
In Feb 4, 2010, the entire McStay family disappeared from their home in Bonsall. Joseph, Summer, and their two children vanished. The dogs they loved were left without food and water. Food was left on the kitchen counter and popcorn in bowls near the television. The scene looked like they just suddenly left, taking no clothes, money, medicine, or glasses. They have not been found. Their white Isuzu Trooper was impounded from a shopping center near the Mexican border.
A person was seen in the High Desert area driving a white Isuzu Trooper SUV with two child car seats that resembled the missing family’s vehicle. This person was not a family member and had no children with them. It is highly possible this person was committing a deliberate hoax. They may or may not be involved in the actual disappearance of the family. If you know where the vehicle was rented or borrowed from or saw this person and know who it is, please contact by email. The SUV pictured is not the actual vehicle spotted or the family’s, but similar. We are looking for confirmation of the sighting. Reward will be paid to the first person reporting, after confirmation that information is accurate. We might pay an additional reward to a second reporter, at our discretion, depending on the information. Again, confirmation would be required. You may be required to give a sworn statement. $500 reward. We are looking for either a person involved in the disappearance of the family or a person or vehicle involved in a hoax related to the case. Again, we are looking for a specific white Isuzu Trooper rented with two child car seats, during the period of Feb-June of 2010, or information on the person driving.
Please contact us through craigslist.
Do you have the craigslist url?
B
whodunnit
A metric ton is 2204 lbs or 1,000 kilograms. This unit of measure is also known as a long ton in non-metric systems.
There was a time that passports for children were not required and they could be listed on one of the parent or guardians passport. Now each child must have their own passport. There are several documents required for ID and forms to be verified by parents or guardian.
And as Ragdoll points out in her post, Belize land is being promoted via TV adds as a good investment. Anything associated with a Central or South American country is to me a shaky investment.
Interesting email and IM exchange about Kavanaugh. Not sure if this site is legit or not, but interesting nonetheless. http://texarville.com/?p=1554
It is not authenticated as to dates time and exchanges, but it is authentic as to Dk and JM.
B
Just want to chime in my 2 cents – there are much sharper knives in the drawer than myself on this site, but do consider myself an advocate and desperately want to see the murderers of this family locked away for good.
Don’t know what kind of a business deal gone bad would lead to quadruple murder but do think there may be a difference in the mindset of a person who has something to lose, as opposed to something to gain. Someone who feels they have something to lose may be more desperate.
Immediately following an execution style triple homicide in my county last year during a “double-cross pot deal”, the shooter was reported to have said, “It had to be done.” Wondering if this same evil logic can be applied in this situation.
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20131001/articles/131009963
this was a horrific crime against this family. Watching any child being murdered would have me begging to die. i wouldnt wan tto live with that vision in my mind for any duration. I cannot fathom how any human being of my kind could hurt a child accidently or not. We are here to PROCREATE AND PART OF THAT PROCESS, OR AN IMPORTANT FACTOR WOULD BE protecting children and give them a good lease on life, not take away from that. good grief…who ever did this isnt of the human kind is exactly right. they live eat and breathe among us, forging relationships and claiming to be productive parts of our society when in fact deep down inside their blood runs cold and colorless. they are their own kind a mutant version of something mimicing human species…these children didnt deserve this fate… how aweful. god bless this family and those babies. there is a special place in HELL for people that do these things… May these babies RIP
This case is by far the most horrific of its kind and any kind that i seen lately….but i dont want to glorify it by saying too much like those words…Blink, i do not envy you or your work..u indeed are a special person to be able to bring this case up from the depths of the hellish nature it lives in….kudos and many thanks to you in educating us folks that otherwise could never fathom those dangers like this out there….puzzling indeed…ashame too, those boys were so sweet and innocent….. I have seen you write on alot of cases here, all sad in their own way…i feel this one is the saddest…this family has already went through so much.. and not have answers?? i pray for peace and closer to come for them soon.
I agree with you ultimately it will be one of the darkest.
B
In regards to the Belize property…as I understand, per Patrick McStay, Joey’s mom was involved in that as either the primary buyer or a partner, and it was purchased as an investment.
That is correct, initially she purchased her own lot, and Joey purchased hers years later so he owned both.
B
Any idea of the size of the lots and what they are worth today? Is the property still in Joseph McStay’s name?
I do. I am not posting that information for security reasons but the Belize authorities were alerted long ago, recently, and what we do know is that nobody has tried to sell it or build on it.
B
Blink, I just wanted to give you a virtual “high -five” on your response to Mr. McFadden on Dc 4th. I often believe that in work (and life) the best thing one can do is to do their job well and let that speak for itself. You don’t have to run around trying to convince or play games, so to speak, if you’ve done your job well. I don’t know if what I’m trying to say is coming out the right way, but the thoroughness of the points you addressed exemplied that quality to me. I don’t mind if you don’t post my comment (or if you do!), as I just wanted to give you props for brightening my day. Yes, the truth and forthright-ness is (hopefully) what we all want to see and I believe can most benefit from. So, thank you, and thanks for the insight you share with us.
-Alisa
Thank you and don’t doubt your opinions or how they are received in the future- you speak for yourself with veracity. Own that.
xoxoxo
B
FYI update on marijuana bust/money laundering Pacific Beach
http://fox5sandiego.com/2013/12/11/guilty-plea-in-pot-mailing-operation/
Thanks Eloise.
That’s some timing, eh?
B
Blink, do you follow Rick Baker’s blog? And, if so, do you give it any credence?
I do not follow Mr. Baker and I believe his intentions to be both self serving and hurtful to the victims families. I did pose a few questions on the first one specifically asking about why he claimed that he did not disclose he was self published as opposed to his very public comments that he advised his publisher to pull the book, and that his publisher advised him nobody asked for a refund- those statements were lies to the very public who supported his book- my questions were deleted without answer.
So no, I do not find Mr. Baker credible.
B
Wrt: “Any idea of the size of the lots and what they are worth today? Is the property still in Joseph McStay’s name?
I do. I am not posting that information for security reasons but the Belize authorities were alerted long ago, recently, and what we do know is that nobody has tried to sell it or build on it.B”
Did this couple die intestate? Have their estates been settled? If there was no will, who now has legal authority to handle affairs? I can think of various folks a Trustee should sue to recover estate assets.
There has been no movements towards settling the estate I am aware of, but there is likely going to be some complex issues, imo.
Lots of interpleading. Specifically, Joey’s business finances at a minimum are the subject of a criminal probe at this moment considering there are multiple withdrawls of his funds that were not made by him.
B
Could that investigation/bust/arrests (#7) be related to this case?
Remains to be seen, not to sound like a magic 8 ball
B
Anyway, one of the names on the list of ownership for Earth Inspired Products Inc. in the suit was Matthew Schneider
http://jodiariasguilty.com/mcstay-case-chase-merritt-and-dan-kavanaugh/
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Eloise says:
December 11, 2013 at 8:24 pm
FYI update on marijuana bust/money laundering Pacific Beach
http://fox5sandiego.com/2013/12/11/guilty-plea-in-pot-mailing-operation/
Thanks Eloise.
That’s some timing
Something hit me today as I was driving to Atlanta. It’s 1.5 hours from my home one way and after my meeting a thought hit me. What if the last call that Joey made was an attempt to point LE to who did it? CM was his partner. Maybe something went very wrong during their lunch. I don’t know it’s just a hunch.
kjazzyjazz
Chase Merritt was not the last outgoing call on the phone prior to that call, so I dont see it as a butt dial, floabw
b
Black says:
December 11, 2013 at 1:55 am
Black refers to the craiglist offer of reward for info about Izusu in this post…
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what jumps out at me is the fact that the craigslist post says:
( excerpted)
‘ A person was seen in the High Desert area driving a white Isuzu Trooper SUV with two child car seats that resembled the missing family’s vehicle. This person was not a family member and had no children with them.’
I totally agree it is fishy as you put it- but I see it more as someone looking to confirm a story they heard, or were told, imo.
B
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When you break it down, the craigslist post was offering a reward to corroborate someone’s claim that they had seen a White Izusu with two baby car seats ,being driven by a single person, not a McStay, in the high desert.
I would like to know WHO saw the white izusu in the high desert in the first place. Whoever it was said it was NOT a family member driving the car, and that the child seats were empty.
That implies knowledge of the family by this person reporting the sighting, and is a lot to observe in a moving vehicle. What are the chances of a person knowing the MacStays and seeing their car in the high desert being driven by a stranger? Something so fishy about this whole craigslist thing.
I love the exchange of ideas here and Blink, your comments I look forward to, Magic 8Ball or not lol.
Personally I am leaning against the “known players” in this case and looking toward someone who was on the periphery of the McStay circle. Perhaps one of the known players is involved somehow but I think someone has been chatting up a storm and it is likely someone in custody within the last year.
Thank you DM- as you know, I believe the McStay recovery is directly related to an informant, which means it is someone in custody, or related to a case involving criminal activity.
This case will solve.
B
Whodunnit
Your story about the Isuzu in the high desert is likely untrue. Most of my life, while driving, I have looked at vehicles meeting me in oncoming traffic and certainly those I am approaching from behind. Unless a vehicle is fully stopped, it is not possible to identify empty child seats attached to the rear seat.
Just as a test, the next time you approach a school bus try and determine if it is full, half full or mostly empty. If you are moving towards it, it will be difficult. If you are approaching it from behind you will have a better chance to make a determination.
I believe the story teller is looking for a little importance.
There is so much conflicting information on the McStay’s. For everything I read there is a different story on the next site.
1.) I read that there was never a mortgage payment made on the house Joey bought. Seems kind of strange sine he did have money in the bank.
2.) That Michael sold EIP.
Do you know if there is any truth to either one of these statements ?
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Also, I was wondering if LE was able to obtain the text records from Joey and Summer’s phone. Seems like they had no problem doing this in the Arias case so I was wondering since I have never seen that information anywhere. I have seen the phone logs only but I don’t even know if they are credible or just want people are putting out there.
Thank You
Both false.
B
Thank you, Blink
I hate the fact there is so much misinformation out there.
Do you know if LE was able to get copies of the text messages?
It is my understanding previously they did not. I am familiar with the protocol for their retrieval by LE and since LE could not certify that there was a crime they would not be subject to preservation.
That said, I am aware of some new technologies utilized that may allow their retrieval, and of course, as a result of possible other criminal activity and investigations that may involve some other associates.
B
Regarding the Craigslist posting, no I do not I have a direct link, it has expired. It is in an article here: http://www.missingpersonsofamerica.com/2013/01/mcstay-rumors-and-lies-will-we-ever.html
Do you know when Joey met Dan K.?
Thank you
Would carriers still be able to provide information such as text message content if the victims’ phones were destroyed shortly after they were killed? They were able to determine Summer’s phone was on and receiving text messages until Saturday Feb. 6 but presumably her phone (battery) went dead at that point.
Potentially, yes. The problem we have to take advantage of newer technology in a 4 year old case is that the comparative data of others ( Phones pinging off same tower simultaneously) is likely not.
B
Blink,
FYI RB just posted a Blog about you on his page….
Hi Lauren, I don’t know who that is or what that means- do you have a link?
Thank you
B
Sorry Blink, here you go:
http://clemmonsfreepress.com/mcstay-blog-2/
Wow… He just deleted it…. What? It was an entire blog post about avoiding Blinkoncrime and mentioned you by name…. It was posted today
Not surprised Lauren- Apparently an editor screen shot it earlier. It is my understanding Mr. Baker deletes a lot, lol. Apparently not aware of cache.
B
Ok I found it through google: http://clemmonsfreepress.com/avoid-the-blink-on-crime-blog-at-all-costs/
Blink,
I’m glad someone captured it…. Just thought you should know
FYI I have a pic of it too if you need it
I would welcome a reader/contributor pic if you don’t mind- if you need to post privately just mark private in the first line. If you need me to email you directly let me know.
B
Please email me directly. Thanks!
RB = Rick Baker
Rick started a topic about you and how dishonest you are and to stay away from you ….. but it seems to have disappeared.
I had the page minimized but when I refreshed it wasn’t there.
Maybe someone can add to my post.
It was on this page I think:
http://clemmonsfreepress.com/mcstay-blog-2/
Par for the course. Unlike him, this is not my first rodeo. And I never made a dime on exploiting a quadruple homicide- or any other, for that matter. My guess is that the comments he deleted that I left on his restroom wall resonated, but not enough to use credentials or ethics to acknowledge them.
He is a straw man.
B
haven’t read RB since I formed the opinion he is mainly working out a conflicted angry long-term one-sided battle with the sib. But I read this cache link, and in my opinion its polemic tone and grandiose nature are characteristic of other writings and likely reflect a PD of some nature. My own advice Blink, is always to ignore a PD. Ignoring in itself sets limits.
Is there some way I could see this post? It just comes up Page Not Found. I am not surprised he deleted it – he’s an expert at that. I had commented to Blink earlier and asked a question regarding Rick Baker’s blog. She gave a response that did not surprise me one bit, being as familiar with Mr. Baker’s ways that I am.
Not worth it Dauphine.
B
I read Baker’s book and followed his blog up until recently when he posted a pic of the family taken at the cross placing ceremony and belittled them, calling them denigrating names before he modified the post. I literally felt sick to my stomach at that point and began to see him for what he is, an attention seeker plain and simple. Yesterday I read his remarks about Blink and thought he has so much vested in appearing to be the number one investigator in this case that anyone who has thoughts or opinions and has done research is fair game to slander as well. Threatened he is, I would say.
I truly struggle to understand the gall of a person who got everything wrong. I mean, how does one consider themselves an investigator of anything when you literally self-publish your theories and you expect a single soul to respect you – tin hat crew.
B
Blink, I do believe, even though I did not see them, your I’m sure reasoned and eloquent posts were too much for Mr. Baker to handle. Therefore, you had to disappear.
Thank you. I have them for safe keeping- but honestly, all indications the voice or reason and he are strangers.
B
Who wrote this? Anybody with a computer these days thinks they are a journalist. Get your high school diploma and pay attention in English class. Most of this is incomprehensible as to who is saying what about whom, and the majority of the “facts” here are incorrect. Using the internet to research what you’re publishing on the internet doesn’t work.
Yes ma’am. I will do my best to raise such expectation. Would you be so kind as to start me in the direction as to what facts are incorrect?
What is incomprehensible to you? I would absolutely be willing to make anything in the piece “comprehension friendly.”
I’ll wait and do my People crossword. NYT is way lofty for me so I can knit at the same time.
Hums theme from jeopardy,
B
http://www.cbs8.com/story/24235590/mcstay-murder-mystery-who-is-michael-mcfadden
B,
I want to point out that Mr. McFadden was not charged with abuse on a child as is pointed out here several times. Penal Code section 12022.7(d) related to causing great bodily injury in domestic violence back in 1998 and 1999. Unfortunately, you are checking the current penal code and amendments are constant. The domestic violence language is now contained in subdivision (e) of section 12022.7. (Stats.2000, ch. 919, § 1.) Please correct the error. Thank you.
As you point out, it has been. What is the issue? Above bolded by me
B
Blink, I just got done reading a news article online about Michael McFadden. I was kinda surprised that they would come out with an article addressing his past convictions and such when he hasn’t been named as a suspect by the police. Do you think that possibly they have inside info that he could be named as a suspect? Also thanks for all you do! God bless and Merry Christmas!
http://www.cbs8.com/story/24235590/m…chael-mcfadden
Bless you back, but have you read the piece with this thread?
B
Just glanced at Baker, his last post.
McStays need an RO imo.
Thanks for the link SE
An interesting read and some interesting comments. Especially by a top rated poster Kathy Toce who posts in her last post:
“However…I took advantage of your link to Blink On Crime. It is more integrious and professional than other crime investigation sites.”
Something that most who post know. We may have a new reader.
Lol, indeed.
B
Above it says:
“Although Mr. McStay did not reference him by name, he may be referring to Michael James McFadden, who was arrested in July 1998 and charged with attempted murder and a litany of other felonies including great bodily harm to a child:
459/460(a) PC – Burglary 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
422 PC – Assault 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
273.5(a) PC – Domestic Violence 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
12022.7(d) PC – Infliction of great bodily injury on a child under the age of five … 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
422 PC – Assault 07/16/1999 02/25/2000 Dismissed
240 PC – Attempt to inflict violent force on another person. 07/16/1999 02/25/2000 Dismissed
245(a)(1) PC – Assault with a deadly weapon other than a firearm 07/16/1998 01/18/2000 Pled Guilty
12022.7(d) PC – Infliction of great bodily injury on a child under the age of five… 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
422 PC – Criminal Terrorist Threat 07/16/1999 01/18/2000 Pled Guilty
664-187 PC – Attempted Murder 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
Any reference to child is incorrect.”
Also, Mr. McFadden says he has no strikes. That is incorrect. Penal Code section 422 is a strike. See Penal Code section 1192.7(c)(38).
Agreed Observer, but just fyi we did cover this in earlier comments.
Thanks
B
@Blink. “I’ll wait and do my People crossword. NYT is way lofty for me so I can knit at the same time.”
Aw, low blow. NYT is today 70% current TV, current movies, rappers, heavy metal groups etc.
You’d think PR shops had em on the payroll.
LOL, fair, has been a while since I felt that cerebral to try one, but I will.
B
My good friend Patrick told me he is not going to either the public memorial or the private family one as he has been uninvited along with his Aunt and Uncle and the Aranda’s. He also told me that he is led to believe the service is being arranged by a number of devout Christians – he’s still waiting to find out who they are
Michael called him and uninvited him and others. Those are his words to me and he no longer feels this needs to be kept from the public. They are making it public by claiming they will block him and his family and the Arandas from the public services so it’s now a public matter.
This is very disheartening to hear. I am confused as to why they would want to do that, and also, what does that mean about the memorial and ash internment?
Are they intending to separate this family in death? I cannot imagine how this helps any one of them.
Forgive the question but I have to ask- is there some sort of financial arrangements between McFadden and Mike/Susan?
B
Hi Blink, I have no idea as to any financial arrangements, however no one has ever had any accounting for all the donations to the McStay Family website over almost for years. No on has ever seen anything about the total amount donated or what the money was used for. We never saw anything that cost that much money or much spent on investigations by Michael. Patrick did an enormous amount of investigating over four years and never asked for one penny. So where did all that money go? How much did Michael’s business make over that time, we don’t know. Where did he get the 10k for the adoption of the orphans while all that was going on? Surely it can’t be the church bake sale. No one can sell 10 grands worth of brownies. None of that has ever been explained or given to the very public that Michael and Susan asked to donate money. Those are the financial arrangements I am interested it
Justice4McStay,
When you said Michael uninvited them, do you mean Michael McF, or the brother Mike? And who is the Aranda’s? Summer’s family?
Patrick, Blanche and Susan will each receive a portion of the ashes as per California law
Michael Mcstay uninvited them and yes the Arandas are Summers family
No disrespect intended, but I don’t think Mike or his Mom should be able to uninvite Joey’s Father. I recall him mentioning Patrick when he spoke at the original press conference.
I seriously hope this family undergoes grief and coping counseling.
Anyone who would prefer McFadden over his own Father has an agenda, imo.
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Very insensitive to use the play on the name McStay to”McGone” in the article. That could have been omitted (and it should have)! Shame on you! This is no joking matter!
You know as well as I do if you read the piece there is no joking going on here.
It was used glibly to underscore how ridiculous the concept of LE’s certainty that the family had gone to mexico. I still don’t get that.
Apologies if that was lost on you.
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